In doing pool equipment plumbing, pipe extenders (aka "insiders") are used extensively. A pipe extender is a PVC fitting that glues to the *inside* of the pipe, with about an inch and a half sticking out which is at the same OD as the pipe. Cut off the pipe at the fitting, clean the part of the pipe that is still glued into the fitting and glue the extender in. From there you can glue a coupler or 90 onto it. Some extenders are glued inside to inside pipe, like a coupler, but internally. I've used sizes from 3/4 to 2.5 inches, dozens of them. Every plumber should know about these. These cost a few dollars each and work like a CHARM!
@@mayorb3366 Okay in most cases, but you are reducing the diameter of the pipe at those joins. May or may not be an issue, depending on the amounts of water and pressure. Just something to keep in mind.
I've been a licensed general building contractor for 40 years, this is an excellent how to video. I would add only that after going through all that work oftentimes it's difficult to seal the new pipe to the old fitting so I would encourage that a person use the cleaner as shown there and then thoroughly glue both fittings and make sure to rotate the new pipe as inserting it approximately 1/4 turn and push firmly and you'll have a good chance of success. additionally if the pipe that needs to be repaired happens to be behind a cabinet, it may be much less costly especially in labor to simply cut a section of the wall out to access the fitting and remove it completely.
@@AgentOffice Yes, but I would only use it on a sprinkler system, or somewhere that it is not critical if it leaks a little. I would not trust it under constant high pressure.
Further more rotate the pipe and hold pressure on it for a solid min after so it doesn’t start to separate. You’re not gluing the pipes in basic terms you’re causing a chemical reaction that essentially melts them together
Used the first method. It was about an hour after I made up a joint that I noticed I'd missed installing a cleanout. You just saved me a lot of weirdness and/or a lot of rework.
When faced with the removal of a pipe from a fitting we use your 4 saw cut method a little differently, we make 2 cuts,1/2 inch a part on the top side of the pipe because water sits on the bottom of the pipe not the top so if a cut that is a little deep normally is not a problem, you can use a power saw this way just very carefully, nothing a little extra PVC cement won't fix, tap out the 1/2 center piece with a screw driver creating a space, then start on one side and work the remaining piece of the pipe out by twisting or popping it free in a circular motion, usually works good but takes a little finessing, normally we don't use heat but I will try your hot hole saw trick next time, great tips!
I'm a plumber and use the reed cutter quite a bit and it works great. You're right about the battery life.. and the hole saw trick is great to know. Thanks!!
Yesterday I tried your heating the pipe method, I had to remove a 1-1/2" Y from a kitchen sink drain stub out, going to a single bowl instead of a double, pipe coming out of the wall was to short to just cut and add a new fitting, I cut the fitting off at the hub, as I told you in a previous comment I made a 1/4" notch in the hub on the "top" of the fitting, popped out the notch with a screw driver and I used a paint striper heat gun to "warm" the hub since it was the hub on the outside of the pipe on inside, once the left over piece reached the correct temperature I started the removal with a screw drive to get it started and then rolled it off with a pair of needle nose pliers, worked great! Thanks for the great tips!
THANK YOU!!! I was installing a 2” drain line for the backwash function of my pool so it would stop flooding the yard. The GLUED pipe fittings into the 5-way valve on the filter were more brittle than I expected and the pipe broke off at the valve. A new 5-way is about $120, if you can find one locally. Plus, you’re going to burn a LOT of time replacing all the plumbing connections to it. I tried your heating the hole saw technique AND IT WORKED LIKE A CHAMP! Saved me hundred of dollars and hours of my time! Thank you for putting this out here, it really helped me when I was in a pinch!
As always, eXcellent info! Also: 1) A right-angle drive adapter for the drill might let you use the extractor between studs. 2) Here in rural areas, we often use the gray heavy bodied weld cement for in ground. It has an additive that lets it stay slightly flexible to allow for ground shifting. Even after long dry times, it acts soft & gummy. That means high friction-heat-melting occurs when hole-sawing which can badly distort outer fitting. It will work, but you have to pause and let it cool every few minutes. AND the gray cement sets slowly and creates a deep, thorough, true-weld with the pipe. That means you cannot just snap out quarter cut pieces, because if bond was done correctly first time, the fitting, pipe, and weld will become one piece of plastic. 3) Heating cup hole saws not only removes the coating, but that variety is usually just high-speed steel, so you will likely ruin the temper and reduce the life to less than half (unless you later re-temper them).
I bought a brushless right angle drill - one of those things you don't appreciate until you need to do something like this - then it's the best thing ever!
I own a plumbing company here in okc and I've been on the job for 23 years now and I've never seen or heard of that first trick. Can't wait to try it !!
Some Alternatives (I've used most all of em): A die grinder or even a Dremel tool (if it's the best thing you have) will do the trick with a variety of bits. A single cut carbide cylinder burr in a 1/4 die grinder will do the slot method in seconds. Keep the RPMs down or take short light cuts and skip around the pipe to prevent melting. The venerable old "Dragon Skin" or drum sander on a drill will work too. It doesn't have to be cordless, The old standby Milwaukee holeshooter will run the counterbores all day long without breaking a sweat. Real contractors always have one on hand. If you don't want to take the temper out of your expensive hole saw, use a galvanized or black iron coupling or nipple to heat. Sockets work well too, go for a 6 point impact socket for maximum heat retention, and you can attach an extension bar as a handle/safety catch. You can even heat an old screwdriver and melt the grooves for the slot and collapse method. As with all of these, commons sense and safety come 1st. The most useful tool in getting out of such situations lies between the ears. Be calm, think it through. Things like putting a wire or magnet on the tool so it won't fall 2 stories to the next bend are worth considering before lighting the torch.... Happy plumbing!
I’ve done the saw & screwdriver method many times. It does take a while to do but now that I know about the heated hole saw method I have a new preferred way.
Thank you for you post, I’m grateful. I used the hole saw/heat method to fix a broken pipe in a 5 gang sprinkler manifest. Sharing your experience saved me countless hours and money in rebuilding the manifest.
I used the last method. I cut one at 12 o'clock and then one at 3 o'clock. I had doctor appointment at 6 o'clock so I couldn't cut at 6pm. I'm just waiting for 9 o'clock now. 2 more hours to go....
OMG! I have to admit I was skeptical but I tried the heat method and it works like a dream. Didn’t even need to ruin a hole saw, heated a small piece if 3/8 iron pipe with a torch into 1/2 pvc and it peeled out easily as shown. After 30 years of working with occ snd being frustrated with situations like this Thank you!
Usually 99.5% of situations would be easier to just cut the pipe back, stick a new coupling on and go from there. In twenty odd years as a plumber I’ve only removed a PVC fitting once, that was to change the fitting not to reuse it rather than dig out concrete floor the pipe was set in. Can’t take a chance any fitting will fail if you’ve messed around with it!
This depends. With odd setups, you go from replacing one fitting to like 10 that are all very close together, and new to be measured carefully. Doable but something like this would take less time.
Love your video's. You always come up with great practical ways of solving problems that most of us have run into from time to time. Till this moment the only way I have ever removed a glued fitting was to use method #4 (cutting it) and it's very time consuming and tiring. I didn't even know they had cutting tools to do this and never thought about heating up a hole saw to melt the glue (all great ideas). Keep the videos coming, I always learn something new.
Thank you for your video. I have successfully used your favorite method for a broken pipe in a concrete kitchen wall. Getting in done using this method saved me a lot of money.
Ha, most of me says that this is a big waste of time but there is this plumbing job that I periodically have on a remote island that involves a long forested walk then a 1 hour boat ride and finally a quick drive just to get to the hardware store only to repeat it all again to get back. Still, it's always better to carry a bag of couplers and more fittings than you need. Anyhow, this is useful information for PVC jobs that have cracked with no room between the fittings on something like a plumbing manifold. Hole saw method scores big points, thanks.
The heated hole saw is something I've never seen and is a pretty good idea! Even on a riser, a stick and a bit of steel spline would keep it in position. Tried the torch/heat gun direct heat once... after contorting the fitting I have been using the last method, saw and screw driver but have almost always marred the I.D. of the fitting piece being kept. Thank you!!!
If you should choose to use a handheld blow dryer or heat gun, put a wet rag over the pvc you wish to preserve. Using a wet rag can also prevent melting or deforming of pvc to maintain structural integrity. Make the necessary adjusments in terms of how close your holding the hot air to prevent over heating.
Yes. 100%. I learned this the hard way on some proprietary quick connect fittings on a pool filter. Did the first with a heat gun and it worked, but was a pain to control the heating and prevent burning. Next switched to boiling the fitting. This was easier, and both let me clear the 2" pipe from the socket and re-glue for a water tight pressure seal, but both allowed the OTHER END of the fitting (male slip fit with captive o-ring on exterior and lock nut) to deform out of round. This caused leaks around the o-rings. Oh well. 60 dollar mistake. Should have bought the fancy Reed socket saver. Would have paid for itself and then I'd have the cool tool leftover.
I used the heat trick with the hole saw blade today on a 2 inch DWV pipe in a 20 year old house. It was a vertical pipe so I hooked the end of the hole saw blade with a piece of wire so I wouldn't drop it in the drain. It took three tries and it came out piecemeal (not as clean as the video) but I have to say it worked like a charm. Thank you so much for brilliant idea!!!
Great video on how to fix a "huge" problem for some of us do-it yourself home owners. Previously I would cut the pipe and glue on a new fitting, but that does not work for in-wall fittings obviously. Thanks tons for these tips! Subscribed!
not a plumber, but as a homeowner DIY, I've always done my own plumbing, but I've always used copper pipe, which if need be the fittings of which are Easy to remove with no extra tools. And you can always clean and reuse them. However, the house we have now they already had installed PVC piping... which I've always hated. This is worse because a lot of plumbing was not done right, and we had to fix and redo a lot of the plumbing work. With that said, I never knew a PVC fitting could be removed and/or saved. This is a GREAT Video! Only wish I had seen this years ago. As the techniques you showed can help a lot in some tough situations, especially like you showed about the short pipe. Or even if you just don't have another replacement fitting. Thanks for posting a very informative video!
Interesting, good to know! I hope I never need to do this, but it does happen. All of the pipes I have seen once properly "glued" will not just let go. The cement does not just stick to the PVC surface (like a braze) but when done properly makes a permanent weld. I need to try this.
Awesome! First, this is the only video I've seen that uses the hot hole saw trick. Second, I almost threw out my old, dull hole saws today, after buying a new Spyder carbide set. Now I can breath new life into those old tools that were trash. It's great to find gold nuggets of information thanks!
my central air condensation line clogged recently. I thought no big deal I will clean it out and she will be good as new. When I went to remove the P trap, the entire P trap line was glued all the way into a pvc floor drain inside of cement! To make things worse I cut a section out to clean it thinking I would just use a coupler to put it back on and the pvc snapped off in the floor drain! D: thank you for the video im going to try the heated hole saw trick and carefully hold it inside the broken piece of pipe and see if I can carefully remove it to run a new p trap line. cheers!
Hey dude! The hole saw along with torch trick saved me from having to go and purchase another 4" 90° long sweep elbow and 4" gutter adapter that I prematurely bonded. I hadn't even finished the trench but yet, for some reason, I primered and cemented them. Lesson learned...and also learned how to undo the error in case I forget this lesson in the future. Thanks for the tip🤘🤘
I had an inch and a half water pipe, schedule 40 galvanized, freeze and break one time, with the threaded part remaining in the fitting. Something you will hopefully never ever have to deal with in the Philippines. I had to carefully cut it out in the cold and remove it like he did the hand saw for PVC without damaging the threads on the tee to badly so I could reassemble it. It was one of the most miserable of jobs due to the extreme cold, the awkward work space, and the delicacy of not damaging the threads. The repair still functions to this day, decades later.
@@ronelramos1118 I would guess from corrosion maybe. When I was in your country I notices a lot of outdoor plumbing and tropical plants. In rural areas, particularly in Ifugoa and Mountain Province, plastic water pipes were strung along the sides of roads to carry water to homes. I did not think it froze there anywhere outside of freezers and Mall of Asia's ice rink. I like your country.
Great video and great "Tricks-of-the-Trade." The only thing I might comment on is that I only say Primer applied to fitting and pipe... no PVC glue applied. You can't imagine, after 40 years in plumbing, how many PVC connections I've had to replace because ONLY Primer was applied to pipe and fitting... no glue. That's OK... keeps me in business!! Enjoyed the video.
The only thing I might edit or mention : When you first pressed a pipe in the salvaged hole you should have cleaned the dust and shavings off of the wall board. Great videos
I used the heated hole saw method on a 4” supply line that had a small leak. I had to heat my hole saw and ended up using the torch inside the hole saw while inside the pipe. The outcome was favorable as it save a lot of time on a difficult repair.
@5:20 for me, when considering the cost of plumbing tools, I look at how many plumbers visits I save by having the tool - which makes any tool that is less than about $150 a no-brainer, as a call-out plus repair starts at about that much. I have a full set of pipe threaders that I have only used _one single time,_ but they cost under $100 so they were a profitable purchase within an hour of me buying them. :)
I've had my same cheap cutter for 1 1/2 and 2 inch fittings since the 80's. They still work. Mine came with guides for the different schedules of pipe.
Always something to learn here. I salvage my plastic and GI fittings and make unusual sculptures and lamps from them. Funny, though. I've had to remove most because of either too little, too much PVC weld and/or not giving it 1/4 turn when assembling, so they come off pretty easily LOL. I'm pretty sure I saw a video of yours where you explain how to properly assemble PVC joints, and the effects of under/over-schmooing the pipes, but I think it was part of a longer video. I searched your published videos, but couldn't find it. It'd be great to see it as a separate video because occasionally I have the need to school jack-of-all-trade types and I often point them your way. Cheers, mate!
Of course these came out easy; this phony only used primer and not glue to hold the pipes together. Look closely, no glue to be seen only primer. A socket saver is the only way to do this. GTFOH your foreign fakery you accented imbecile.
When learning the trade an old plumber showed me the "set it on fire" method of removal. I never thought about the toxic gases I was inhaling while doing it -- never again! Thank you so much for these alternate methods ;;
I've always used the heat gun trick. You need to keep a piece of clean pipe handy to shove into the fitting after removing the old fitting to get it back to shape. However, I like the old hole saw trick. It makes me think that someone could invent a tool like the hole saw that heats up--kind of like a soldering iron. You'd have a collection of "hole saws" that fit nicely into various pipes that would then heat up upon plugging in. Very cool.
Or you can buy a cheap hole saw set (Harbor Freight sells them for $10 USD) that you use specifically to heat up. Depending on how much you use it, that $10 could be a good investment
I am a 34 year licensed Master Plumber. If you do not have experience and a steady hand the hole saw solution will only enlarge the fitting to the point you will never get a tight seal. Glue is just that glue. It’s not meant to fill gaps. It’s a solvent that melts tight fitting pieces together. Now if you can get to a wet joint fast enough you may have some success cutting a slice from the pipe and chiseling the piece out gently with a flat blade screw driver. Beyond that this method only works on 3” and larger fittings. Break the joint in the wall or in the floor and it’s time to cut sheetrock. Not the end of the world but now most people are in over their heads.
you just saved my gravy cpvc 3/4" T slow leak noticed long time ago. put off because so near elbows it would of unleashed a nightmare of repipe. found me a metal pipe nipple, heated with map torch. wow just wow. Thank You
Thank You! I'm replacing cast iron with PVC drain pipes in my 100 year old house. After making some gluing mistakes...(I watched your other video on 10 common gluing mistakes) I thought I had to start over and replace the pipes because I figured after the fittings had been glued and primed that they wouldn't be good to use again. It was just 2 fittings. I thought I had them glued together....but I didn't hold them together long enough and I think I put too much pressure on one newly glued fitting while priming and gluing the other end.
Pretty cool info. I've never seen those but they would had come in handy over the years that's for sure. It's not very often I've had the need to remove a fitting however in the example you have shown with the pipe cut to short in demo has happened to me a few times where I've had to hand cut the pipe and pry it out of the fitting. It doesn't take that long usually. Fittings don't cost enough to justify worrying about saving fitting but in a situation where you need to connect to a pipe and your only option is to either cut out the wall or remove the pipe from the fitting then it's necessary however most of the time I will cut out the wall and redo it all but I'd do get a lot of jobs where the plumber did a half ass ruff-in and refused to come back and do the trim out so on those occasions you have to deal with whatever mess is left for you lol. In these occasions if my only problem is a few stub outs to short I consider myself lucky lol.
So I’m going to add my comment because one of these methods just got me out of a jam. I am redoing plumbing for a kitchen where I had to fire the contractor after a horrendous job. He had installed a P-Trap for a shower pan above a kitchen renovation. I only needed to change the direction of the drain pipe to avoid building a soffit inside the kitchen. When I ran my new drain pipe I needed to reroute the direction of the P-Trap. It was either installing a new drain which would include breaking a ceramic floor in the bathroom above and installing a new drain to run new PVC from it or using one of these ideas. I used the hole saw idea which I din’t think it would work. I tested outside before committing. It worked and then I proceeded to doing in the real environment. It actually worked and I was able to twist off the PVC nipple the so-called contractor had used. Saved me so much time and additional headaches. Thanks for your ideas.
I thought this was going to be one of those clickbait BS videos....boy, was I wrong. Great information and techniques and very well presented. The whole saw trick is the bomb.
Heating up that hole saw certainly seems easier, quicker, and safer than setting the pipe on fire! I've used a hub saver maybe 3 times in the past 4 months for mistakes and quite a bit in general, mostly for doing re-model and plumbing repairs/customer self-install screw-ups. I get nervous every time I use one thinking I'm going to drill right though the back of a 90!
Do not do this as it will re-temper the hardness of the metal in the hole saw blades and also promote corrosion. This is so beyond stupid. Use metal pipe or metal pipe fittings instead of ruining the composition of your hole saws. Dumb to the second power
@ReedPipeTools I'm concerned about this, too. What about the body shape prevents the user from drilling too far and ruining the fitting? I've watched a lot of videos and looked at your bits on Amazon but cannot find this issue addressed anywhere. I'd imagine there are lots of us that are hesitant to pull the trigger because of this. Thank you.
My father-in-law just used that method to get a piece of two-inch schedule 40 pipe out of a sediment filter that was a bit short. I was worried about damaging the filter housing and he came over and put some of the cement inside the pipe along where the glue is and set it on fire with his lighter. He waited about a minute and then pulled the pipe out with no damage to the filter or housing at all. I had already been playing with it for about 40 minutes and it was glued in so tight that I could not break out the pipe even after it was cut on the inside in 6 spots. He was a retired Seabee and he learned the trick from a plumber in the trades for years. He said he doesn't do it all the time but that the filter housing was much thicker and denser so it was less likely to be damaged by the heat and the pipe inside would melt and give much faster. It worked and most of the old glue came out with the pipe. When we reassembled everything, it doesn't leak at all.
For the 2nd method you don't need to use a hole saw; you could instead use a steel pipe cut to the required length, or a steel coupling that is of the proper diameter.
Your last," trick", is the one I've always tried first for years. I've also used an inside pipe cutter. As long as you have enough pipe left after cutting off the fitting. I do remodeling anyway, so cutting the drywall and repairing is not that time consuming either. And saves a lot of headache..
Good video. I don't like heating a hole saw, but the same trick could be used with a piece of pipe instead of the hole saw. The only times I have recycled a fitting it was loose and I chucked it in a lathe and cut out the pipe.
You forgot to mention that drinking 2 beers before lighting the pipe on fire is recommended. As evidenced by the the 2 open bottles in the video. Thanks for doing this video!!!!!
Great video, love that there is a quality video like this that shows all the ways to salvage a fitting. The only one I haven't done is using the socket saver bit which I've been wanting to try. Really appreciate that you show cased it cause I couldn't find any videos of the reed ones being reviewed or so Anways the one way I've salvage the fittings is using the saw method,either by hand or I've using my m18 fuel hacksaw to cut with slow control. Always works good .
Thanks for the video. I'm partial to the heat gun trick but I always keep a spare chunk of pipe around to put in the fitting as soon as I remove the old pipe to make sure that the fitting that I'm saving stays round.
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In doing pool equipment plumbing, pipe extenders (aka "insiders") are used extensively.
A pipe extender is a PVC fitting that glues to the *inside* of the pipe, with about an inch and a half sticking out which is at the same OD as the pipe.
Cut off the pipe at the fitting, clean the part of the pipe that is still glued into the fitting and glue the extender in. From there you can glue a coupler or 90 onto it.
Some extenders are glued inside to inside pipe, like a coupler, but internally.
I've used sizes from 3/4 to 2.5 inches, dozens of them.
Every plumber should know about these.
These cost a few dollars each and work like a CHARM!
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@@mayorb3366 Okay in most cases, but you are reducing the diameter of the pipe at those joins. May or may not be an issue, depending on the amounts of water and pressure. Just something to keep in mind.
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I've been a licensed general building contractor for 40 years, this is an excellent how to video. I would add only that after going through all that work oftentimes it's difficult to seal the new pipe to the old fitting so I would encourage that a person use the cleaner as shown there and then thoroughly glue both fittings and make sure to rotate the new pipe as inserting it approximately 1/4 turn and push firmly and you'll have a good chance of success. additionally if the pipe that needs to be repaired happens to be behind a cabinet, it may be much less costly especially in labor to simply cut a section of the wall out to access the fitting and remove it completely.
Is there a slip pvc fitting when you can't move the pipes?
@@AgentOffice Yes, but I would only use it on a sprinkler system, or somewhere that it is not critical if it leaks a little. I would not trust it under constant high pressure.
Further more rotate the pipe and hold pressure on it for a solid min after so it doesn’t start to separate. You’re not gluing the pipes in basic terms you’re causing a chemical reaction that essentially melts them together
Can you explain how the cabinet affects the way you do this job?
Used the first method. It was about an hour after I made up a joint that I noticed I'd missed installing a cleanout. You just saved me a lot of weirdness and/or a lot of rework.
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This channel has made me understand plumbing, I knew nothing before and have learned so much. Love this guy
Wow, that's so cool, thanks for sharing that with me 🙏🙏🙏
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I’ve been plumbing over 20 years and I have never seen the heated hole saw trick. Nice video and thank you for sharing.
You bet!!!
When faced with the removal of a pipe from a fitting we use your 4 saw cut method a little differently, we make 2 cuts,1/2 inch a part on the top side of the pipe because water sits on the bottom of the pipe not the top so if a cut that is a little deep normally is not a problem, you can use a power saw this way just very carefully, nothing a little extra PVC cement won't fix, tap out the 1/2 center piece with a screw driver creating a space, then start on one side and work the remaining piece of the pipe out by twisting or popping it free in a circular motion, usually works good but takes a little finessing, normally we don't use heat but I will try your hot hole saw trick next time, great tips!
Yes, your way is actually better than mine, never thought of doing that, great job!!!
That is the method I was taught years ago. Takes considerable skill and patience. I have chipped a few old fitting hubs figuring this one out.
I'm a plumber and use the reed cutter quite a bit and it works great. You're right about the battery life.. and the hole saw trick is great to know. Thanks!!
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Yesterday I tried your heating the pipe method, I had to remove a 1-1/2" Y from a kitchen sink drain stub out, going to a single bowl instead of a double, pipe coming out of the wall was to short to just cut and add a new fitting, I cut the fitting off at the hub, as I told you in a previous comment I made a 1/4" notch in the hub on the "top" of the fitting, popped out the notch with a screw driver and I used a paint striper heat gun to "warm" the hub since it was the hub on the outside of the pipe on inside, once the left over piece reached the correct temperature I started the removal with a screw drive to get it started and then rolled it off with a pair of needle nose pliers, worked great! Thanks for the great tips!
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THANK YOU!!! I was installing a 2” drain line for the backwash function of my pool so it would stop flooding the yard. The GLUED pipe fittings into the 5-way valve on the filter were more brittle than I expected and the pipe broke off at the valve. A new 5-way is about $120, if you can find one locally. Plus, you’re going to burn a LOT of time replacing all the plumbing connections to it. I tried your heating the hole saw technique AND IT WORKED LIKE A CHAMP! Saved me hundred of dollars and hours of my time! Thank you for putting this out here, it really helped me when I was in a pinch!
20 year Plumber here never knew The holesaw trick thank you
Cool man!!
Same.
Darrin's coils&clouds don’t do it.
34 year plumber here.
@@Iwillnotbepushed so what methods do you use? 22 year Plumber here. Just good to learn new things.
Seems fake. He didn't even glue the pipe... it was just primed...
Broke the PVC pipe coming out of a T in the sprinkler system. Method #4 saved me big time. Many thanks for the innovative repair methods.
As always, eXcellent info! Also: 1) A right-angle drive adapter for the drill might let you use the extractor between studs.
2) Here in rural areas, we often use the gray heavy bodied weld cement for in ground. It has an additive that lets it stay slightly flexible to allow for ground shifting. Even after long dry times, it acts soft & gummy. That means high friction-heat-melting occurs when hole-sawing which can badly distort outer fitting. It will work, but you have to pause and let it cool every few minutes. AND the gray cement sets slowly and creates a deep, thorough, true-weld with the pipe. That means you cannot just snap out quarter cut pieces, because if bond was done correctly first time, the fitting, pipe, and weld will become one piece of plastic.
3) Heating cup hole saws not only removes the coating, but that variety is usually just high-speed steel, so you will likely ruin the temper and reduce the life to less than half (unless you later re-temper them).
I bought a brushless right angle drill - one of those things you don't appreciate until you need to do something like this - then it's the best thing ever!
I’m never throwing away my old holesaws!! Killer trick.
Yes, surprised it works so well to melt glue/pipe, and without burning everything else around it.
I am a plumber in the Netherlands, nice to see this!!!
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Would you help me how to apply on netherland ..? I m a plumber too
Can’t thank you enough for these tips! I’m dealing with some horrific contractor issues, but these tips will make my life much easier!
I own a plumbing company here in okc and I've been on the job for 23 years now and I've never seen or heard of that first trick. Can't wait to try it !!
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Some Alternatives (I've used most all of em): A die grinder or even a Dremel tool (if it's the best thing you have) will do the trick with a variety of bits. A single cut carbide cylinder burr in a 1/4 die grinder will do the slot method in seconds. Keep the RPMs down or take short light cuts and skip around the pipe to prevent melting. The venerable old "Dragon Skin" or drum sander on a drill will work too. It doesn't have to be cordless, The old standby Milwaukee holeshooter will run the counterbores all day long without breaking a sweat. Real contractors always have one on hand. If you don't want to take the temper out of your expensive hole saw, use a galvanized or black iron coupling or nipple to heat. Sockets work well too, go for a 6 point impact socket for maximum heat retention, and you can attach an extension bar as a handle/safety catch.
You can even heat an old screwdriver and melt the grooves for the slot and collapse method. As with all of these, commons sense and safety come 1st.
The most useful tool in getting out of such situations lies between the ears. Be calm, think it through. Things like putting a wire or magnet on the tool so it won't fall 2 stories to the next bend are worth considering before lighting the torch....
Happy plumbing!
All good tips, thank you so very much for sharing!!!
Great tips. Thanks.
I’ve done the saw & screwdriver method many times. It does take a while to do but now that I know about the heated hole saw method I have a new preferred way.
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Thank you for you post, I’m grateful. I used the hole saw/heat method to fix a broken pipe in a 5 gang sprinkler manifest. Sharing your experience saved me countless hours and money in rebuilding the manifest.
Glad it helped!!!
I used the last method. I cut one at 12 o'clock and then one at 3 o'clock. I had doctor appointment at 6 o'clock so I couldn't cut at 6pm. I'm just waiting for 9 o'clock now. 2 more hours to go....
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If you have other plans... there is always tomorrow.
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OMG! I have to admit I was skeptical but I tried the heat method and it works like a dream. Didn’t even need to ruin a hole saw, heated a small piece if 3/8 iron pipe with a torch into 1/2 pvc and it peeled out easily as shown. After 30 years of working with occ snd being frustrated with situations like this Thank you!
Awesomeeee, glad it workeddd!!!
Not a plumber, so bought the cheapest version of the tool I could find at 4:05, and it got the job done.
that's really what amazes me about these , they (the posters) actually help people down on the ground level, if u catch me, ,
Do not care what anyone says, this video was excellent. You are a gifted teacher sir
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Usually 99.5% of situations would be easier to just cut the pipe back, stick a new coupling on and go from there. In twenty odd years as a plumber I’ve only removed a PVC fitting once, that was to change the fitting not to reuse it rather than dig out concrete floor the pipe was set in. Can’t take a chance any fitting will fail if you’ve messed around with it!
This depends. With odd setups, you go from replacing one fitting to like 10 that are all very close together, and new to be measured carefully. Doable but something like this would take less time.
I just want to thank you! The method of the circle saw worked perfectly and it was not effort at all.
Love your video's. You always come up with great practical ways of solving problems that most of us have run into from time to time. Till this moment the only way I have ever removed a glued fitting was to use method #4 (cutting it) and it's very time consuming and tiring. I didn't even know they had cutting tools to do this and never thought about heating up a hole saw to melt the glue (all great ideas). Keep the videos coming, I always learn something new.
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Thank you for your video. I have successfully used your favorite method for a broken pipe in a concrete kitchen wall. Getting in done using this method saved me a lot of money.
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You did well. You got to the point quickly. So many go into lengthy explanations which are not really necessary. You didn’t waste time.
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Ha, most of me says that this is a big waste of time but there is this plumbing job that I periodically have on a remote island that involves a long forested walk then a 1 hour boat ride and finally a quick drive just to get to the hardware store only to repeat it all again to get back. Still, it's always better to carry a bag of couplers and more fittings than you need. Anyhow, this is useful information for PVC jobs that have cracked with no room between the fittings on something like a plumbing manifold. Hole saw method scores big points, thanks.
The heated hole saw is something I've never seen and is a pretty good idea! Even on a riser, a stick and a bit of steel spline would keep it in position. Tried the torch/heat gun direct heat once... after contorting the fitting I have been using the last method, saw and screw driver but have almost always marred the I.D. of the fitting piece being kept. Thank you!!!
Try using a wet cloth on the pvc you wish to keep with a heat gun and see If that helps.
Thanks for the tips, I used the saw technique, with a bread knife, very slow and gently. Worked like a charm and zero tools needed to purchase!
Awesome!!
If you should choose to use a handheld blow dryer or heat gun, put a wet rag over the pvc you wish to preserve. Using a wet rag can also prevent melting or deforming of pvc to maintain structural integrity. Make the necessary adjusments in terms of how close your holding the hot air to prevent over heating.
Yes. 100%. I learned this the hard way on some proprietary quick connect fittings on a pool filter. Did the first with a heat gun and it worked, but was a pain to control the heating and prevent burning. Next switched to boiling the fitting. This was easier, and both let me clear the 2" pipe from the socket and re-glue for a water tight pressure seal, but both allowed the OTHER END of the fitting (male slip fit with captive o-ring on exterior and lock nut) to deform out of round. This caused leaks around the o-rings. Oh well. 60 dollar mistake. Should have bought the fancy Reed socket saver. Would have paid for itself and then I'd have the cool tool leftover.
I used the heat trick with the hole saw blade today on a 2 inch DWV pipe in a 20 year old house. It was a vertical pipe so I hooked the end of the hole saw blade with a piece of wire so I wouldn't drop it in the drain. It took three tries and it came out piecemeal (not as clean as the video) but I have to say it worked like a charm. Thank you so much for brilliant idea!!!
Awesome, happy it worked for you Leo!!!!!!
Great video on how to fix a "huge" problem for some of us do-it yourself home owners. Previously I would cut the pipe and glue on a new fitting, but that does not work for in-wall fittings obviously. Thanks tons for these tips! Subscribed!
not a plumber, but as a homeowner DIY, I've always done my own plumbing, but I've always used copper pipe, which if need be the fittings of which are Easy to remove with no extra tools. And you can always clean and reuse them.
However, the house we have now they already had installed PVC piping... which I've always hated. This is worse because a lot of plumbing was not done right, and we had to fix and redo a lot of the plumbing work. With that said, I never knew a PVC fitting could be removed and/or saved. This is a GREAT Video! Only wish I had seen this years ago. As the techniques you showed can help a lot in some tough situations, especially like you showed about the short pipe. Or even if you just don't have another replacement fitting. Thanks for posting a very informative video!
Thank you so so much!!!
Interesting, good to know! I hope I never need to do this, but it does happen. All of the pipes I have seen once properly "glued" will not just let go. The cement does not just stick to the PVC surface (like a braze) but when done properly makes a permanent weld. I need to try this.
Agreed. The keyword being 'properly', of course.
Yes. You can even make your own cement in a pinch with solvent and pvc shavings. I wouldn't do it for anything pressurized though.
Properly, as in wiping primer on joint surfaces long enough/enough times to soften them so they can weld them selves together once you apply the glue.
Awesome! First, this is the only video I've seen that uses the hot hole saw trick. Second, I almost threw out my old, dull hole saws today, after buying a new Spyder carbide set. Now I can breath new life into those old tools that were trash. It's great to find gold nuggets of information thanks!
Glad I could help!
my central air condensation line clogged recently. I thought no big deal I will clean it out and she will be good as new. When I went to remove the P trap, the entire P trap line was glued all the way into a pvc floor drain inside of cement! To make things worse I cut a section out to clean it thinking I would just use a coupler to put it back on and the pvc snapped off in the floor drain! D: thank you for the video im going to try the heated hole saw trick and carefully hold it inside the broken piece of pipe and see if I can carefully remove it to run a new p trap line. cheers!
I come for the learning and stay for the music interludes. Always on point!
Woohoo!!!
Hey dude! The hole saw along with torch trick saved me from having to go and purchase another 4" 90° long sweep elbow and 4" gutter adapter that I prematurely bonded.
I hadn't even finished the trench but yet, for some reason, I primered and cemented them.
Lesson learned...and also learned how to undo the error in case I forget this lesson in the future.
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just did the hole saw version and it worked great!
The last method is my favorite as a plumber here in the Philippines
I had an inch and a half water pipe, schedule 40 galvanized, freeze and break one time, with the threaded part remaining in the fitting. Something you will hopefully never ever have to deal with in the Philippines. I had to carefully cut it out in the cold and remove it like he did the hand saw for PVC without damaging the threads on the tee to badly so I could reassemble it. It was one of the most miserable of jobs due to the extreme cold, the awkward work space, and the delicacy of not damaging the threads. The repair still functions to this day, decades later.
@@richhagenchicago it's common here in the Philippines. There so many times I repair like what you said.
@@ronelramos1118 I would guess from corrosion maybe. When I was in your country I notices a lot of outdoor plumbing and tropical plants. In rural areas, particularly in Ifugoa and Mountain Province, plastic water pipes were strung along the sides of roads to carry water to homes. I did not think it froze there anywhere outside of freezers and Mall of Asia's ice rink. I like your country.
Each job is completely different. No method is a one stop shop. Every idea will come in handy one day. Especially in PLUMBING!!!
Great video and great "Tricks-of-the-Trade." The only thing I might comment on is that I only say Primer applied to fitting and pipe... no PVC glue applied. You can't imagine, after 40 years in plumbing, how many PVC connections I've had to replace because ONLY Primer was applied to pipe and fitting... no glue. That's OK... keeps me in business!! Enjoyed the video.
The cement was a clear cement 😉
Hey man just wanna say thanks cause the heated hole saw bit did the trick for me and saved me big time!
No problem 👍
The only thing I might edit or mention : When you first pressed a pipe in the salvaged hole you should have cleaned the dust and shavings off of the wall board. Great videos
That Reed tool looks like the best method. I’m gonna need to check those out. Thank you!
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Thank you, I had no idea the reaming tool existed for 1 1/2 pvc pipe. Terrific video.
No problem!
I used the heated hole saw method on a 4” supply line that had a small leak. I had to heat my hole saw and ended up using the torch inside the hole saw while inside the pipe. The outcome was favorable as it save a lot of time on a difficult repair.
That is really cool Jason, thanks for sharing man ;)
Genius, the hole saw trick saved me a $100 easy. Many thx
I know a true professional when I see one. This is a great channel to know even if we are not a Plummer. Subscribed👍
Thank you so much Daniel, please share if you can, it helps a bunch :)
the hole saw method worked fantastically, thank you!
@5:20 for me, when considering the cost of plumbing tools, I look at how many plumbers visits I save by having the tool - which makes any tool that is less than about $150 a no-brainer, as a call-out plus repair starts at about that much. I have a full set of pipe threaders that I have only used _one single time,_ but they cost under $100 so they were a profitable purchase within an hour of me buying them. :)
I've had my same cheap cutter for 1 1/2 and 2 inch fittings since the 80's. They still work. Mine came with guides for the different schedules of pipe.
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Always something to learn here. I salvage my plastic and GI fittings and make unusual sculptures and lamps from them. Funny, though. I've had to remove most because of either too little, too much PVC weld and/or not giving it 1/4 turn when assembling, so they come off pretty easily LOL. I'm pretty sure I saw a video of yours where you explain how to properly assemble PVC joints, and the effects of under/over-schmooing the pipes, but I think it was part of a longer video. I searched your published videos, but couldn't find it. It'd be great to see it as a separate video because occasionally I have the need to school jack-of-all-trade types and I often point them your way. Cheers, mate!
So nice of you, thank you so so much!!!
Of course these came out easy; this phony only used primer and not glue to hold the pipes together. Look closely, no glue to be seen only primer. A socket saver is the only way to do this. GTFOH your foreign fakery you accented imbecile.
When learning the trade an old plumber showed me the "set it on fire" method of removal. I never thought about the toxic gases I was inhaling while doing it -- never again! Thank you so much for these alternate methods ;;
I've always used the heat gun trick. You need to keep a piece of clean pipe handy to shove into the fitting after removing the old fitting to get it back to shape. However, I like the old hole saw trick. It makes me think that someone could invent a tool like the hole saw that heats up--kind of like a soldering iron. You'd have a collection of "hole saws" that fit nicely into various pipes that would then heat up upon plugging in. Very cool.
Yeah that would be a nice idea, thanks !!!!!
Or you can buy a cheap hole saw set (Harbor Freight sells them for $10 USD) that you use specifically to heat up. Depending on how much you use it, that $10 could be a good investment
Nice very clear explanation, 1 by 1 plus with the pro and cons.
Good job man.
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Best video I've seen on removing a pipe from a fitting, i would like to see a video of a fitting removed from a pipe
Thank you so much, don't forget to share :)
Living in a very rural area were parts are not always available makes these methods very handy.
I am a 34 year licensed Master Plumber. If you do not have experience and a steady hand the
hole saw solution will only enlarge the fitting to the point you will never get a tight seal. Glue is just that glue. It’s not meant to fill gaps. It’s a solvent that melts tight fitting pieces together.
Now if you can get to a wet joint fast enough you may have some success cutting a slice from the pipe and chiseling the piece out gently with a flat blade screw driver. Beyond that this method only works on 3” and larger fittings. Break the joint in the wall or in the floor and it’s time to cut sheetrock. Not the end of the world but now most people are in over their heads.
Genius! Thank you so much for sharing and demonstrating. BEST solution I have seen.
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I usually do just one cut and use a screwdriver to lever the cut piece out
Can not tell you how many times I snapped a fitting doing this although it does work
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Same here
you just saved my gravy cpvc 3/4" T slow leak noticed long time ago. put off because so near elbows it would of unleashed a nightmare of repipe. found me a metal pipe nipple, heated with map torch. wow just wow. Thank You
Thank you, don't forget to share, it really helps the channel!
Still alive just haven't brought WiFi yet hehe
The video's just keep on getting better and better
Thank you I appreciate that!
Thank You! I'm replacing cast iron with PVC drain pipes in my 100 year old house. After making some gluing mistakes...(I watched your other video on 10 common gluing mistakes) I thought I had to start over and replace the pipes because I figured after the fittings had been glued and primed that they wouldn't be good to use again. It was just 2 fittings. I thought I had them glued together....but I didn't hold them together long enough and I think I put too much pressure on one newly glued fitting while priming and gluing the other end.
Awesome, don't forget to share :) Thanks!!!
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Just now found you. You are terrific !! Good, solid solutions. Love it.
Awesome! Thank you!!!!
Pretty cool info. I've never seen those but they would had come in handy over the years that's for sure. It's not very often I've had the need to remove a fitting however in the example you have shown with the pipe cut to short in demo has happened to me a few times where I've had to hand cut the pipe and pry it out of the fitting. It doesn't take that long usually. Fittings don't cost enough to justify worrying about saving fitting but in a situation where you need to connect to a pipe and your only option is to either cut out the wall or remove the pipe from the fitting then it's necessary however most of the time I will cut out the wall and redo it all but I'd do get a lot of jobs where the plumber did a half ass ruff-in and refused to come back and do the trim out so on those occasions you have to deal with whatever mess is left for you lol. In these occasions if my only problem is a few stub outs to short I consider myself lucky lol.
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So I’m going to add my comment because one of these methods just got me out of a jam. I am redoing plumbing for a kitchen where I had to fire the contractor after a horrendous job. He had installed a P-Trap for a shower pan above a kitchen renovation. I only needed to change the direction of the drain pipe to avoid building a soffit inside the kitchen. When I ran my new drain pipe I needed to reroute the direction of the P-Trap. It was either installing a new drain which would include breaking a ceramic floor in the bathroom above and installing a new drain to run new PVC from it or using one of these ideas. I used the hole saw idea which I din’t think it would work. I tested outside before committing. It worked and then I proceeded to doing in the real environment. It actually worked and I was able to twist off the PVC nipple the so-called contractor had used. Saved me so much time and additional headaches. Thanks for your ideas.
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I thought this was going to be one of those clickbait BS videos....boy, was I wrong. Great information and techniques and very well presented. The whole saw trick is the bomb.
Hehe, yeah, no clickbait on this channel, thank you so much Wayne, please share if ya can, helps a lot 🙏
Thanks Jay, love hearing that 🙏
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I will absolutely remember the hot hole saw trick. Great video.
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Heat gun, heat only the piece you want to remove. Grab it with pointy pliers, twist & remove. Too easy, done hundreds.
Done that today, took about 20 seconds, pipe was easy to refit after the old pipe piece was removed. Heatgunz. We need more of them.
Great video! Best I've seen on this topic
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Heating up that hole saw certainly seems easier, quicker, and safer than setting the pipe on fire! I've used a hub saver maybe 3 times in the past 4 months for mistakes and quite a bit in general, mostly for doing re-model and plumbing repairs/customer self-install screw-ups. I get nervous every time I use one thinking I'm going to drill right though the back of a 90!
Yes heating it is my perferred method.
@kd9bwi REED Clean Ream Extreme and Clean Ream Plus hub savers have a body shape to keep you from drilling too deep. We try to make jobs easier!
Do not do this as it will re-temper the hardness of the metal in the hole saw blades and also promote corrosion. This is so beyond stupid. Use metal pipe or metal pipe fittings instead of ruining the composition of your hole saws. Dumb to the second power
@ReedPipeTools I'm concerned about this, too. What about the body shape prevents the user from drilling too far and ruining the fitting? I've watched a lot of videos and looked at your bits on Amazon but cannot find this issue addressed anywhere. I'd imagine there are lots of us that are hesitant to pull the trigger because of this. Thank you.
This video saved me after a stupid mistake. A huge thank you!
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😂😂 The last clip you played of the guy actually burning the pipe out of course they're drinking beer.
You wouldn't do that sober.
Boogie Boogs, I’ve been doing it that way for more than 35 years,
and I have never had a beer in my life, so how does that affect your calculations?
@@elonmask50 Hey Mr. Elon, Sounds like you have an exciting life!😂
@@elonmask50 It still stands as Boogie Boogs making a joke.
@@RErnie-gv1hv, then you could both do with some better jokes.
My father-in-law just used that method to get a piece of two-inch schedule 40 pipe out of a sediment filter that was a bit short. I was worried about damaging the filter housing and he came over and put some of the cement inside the pipe along where the glue is and set it on fire with his lighter. He waited about a minute and then pulled the pipe out with no damage to the filter or housing at all. I had already been playing with it for about 40 minutes and it was glued in so tight that I could not break out the pipe even after it was cut on the inside in 6 spots. He was a retired Seabee and he learned the trick from a plumber in the trades for years. He said he doesn't do it all the time but that the filter housing was much thicker and denser so it was less likely to be damaged by the heat and the pipe inside would melt and give much faster. It worked and most of the old glue came out with the pipe. When we reassembled everything, it doesn't leak at all.
Nice it being a carbide insert, u have 8 cutting surfaces.👍👍👍👍.
Great video, practical knowledge.
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Thanks 👍!!!
Good tricks and thanks for sharing this mate!
Thanks for watching!
I used your idea of heating up the glue, but used a heat-shrink gun instead. Same result; worked great!
Awesome, super happy it worked!
I use a heat gun and it does the job well,
Hole saw method was very cool. Great work🤘
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For the 2nd method you don't need to use a hole saw; you could instead use a steel pipe cut to the required length, or a steel coupling that is of the proper diameter.
Yep works just as good!
And as a bonus, you don't risk damaging the hole saw!
Your last," trick", is the one I've always tried first for years. I've also used an inside pipe cutter. As long as you have enough pipe left after cutting off the fitting. I do remodeling anyway, so cutting the drywall and repairing is not that time consuming either. And saves a lot of headache..
Good video. I don't like heating a hole saw, but the same trick could be used with a piece of pipe instead of the hole saw.
The only times I have recycled a fitting it was loose and I chucked it in a lathe and cut out the pipe.
Grest idea. Using a torch on my hole saw blades....ahhhh no. I like the metal pipe idea so thanks.
Great tips probably the best tips I have seen as far as the trades go
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You forgot to mention that drinking 2 beers before lighting the pipe on fire is recommended. As evidenced by the the 2 open bottles in the video. Thanks for doing this video!!!!!
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I think beer is required in order to get the tool to work properly. It's right in the instructions.
Love the heated hole saw method. Very clever.
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I really loved the second method. I'm amazed
Thank you! Cheers! Please share if you can, it really helps ;)
I agree! Thanks for the video!!!
these are very creative methods, this is the stuff plumbers would almost never share, before instructional videos became All The Rage!!
I’m a plumber and have used the same set of cheap fitting savers for 15 plus years now
The hole saw method is great! I wish I had seen that on the last DWV system I built!
;) There will be another occasion :)
Great tips I have used many of these through trial and error. Keep up the good work
Thank you very much Tristan :)
I thought they were chemically fused and couldn't be separated. Neat tips. 👍
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Great videos and extremely helpful for us amateur plumbers
Glad to help Rob!
At the 5:08 mark, just cut that coupling off. Save time over the cost of 1 fitting. If you have no spare, well that is different.
Thanks, ..... I hadn't even considered the possibility of being able to remove pvc pipe from a fitting. Good Video ..
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The last method is usually needed when fixing a toilet drain. Saves you from cutting lots of holes in wall/ceiling.
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From Lil Giant Thanks! Wow! Good to know, especially when parts/product not available-like in a crisis.
Good video Dude, lots of Info , Well done Sir !
Great video, love that there is a quality video like this that shows all the ways to salvage a fitting. The only one I haven't done is using the socket saver bit which I've been wanting to try. Really appreciate that you show cased it cause I couldn't find any videos of the reed ones being reviewed or so
Anways the one way I've salvage the fittings is using the saw method,either by hand or I've using my m18 fuel hacksaw to cut with slow control. Always works good .
Thank you Ethan, yeah you could get away with a sawzall if you have a steady hand, but there's always that risk to take, have a great day buddy!
Thanks for the video. I'm partial to the heat gun trick but I always keep a spare chunk of pipe around to put in the fitting as soon as I remove the old pipe to make sure that the fitting that I'm saving stays round.
Thank you so mych buddy, good input ;)