Many people are pointing out i am not saying Zastava incorrectly......In 2004 i was injured in iraq and only have 40 percent of my hearing. One of the side effects is i cannot hear myself pronounce words. I tend to say unfamiliar words (such as the names of foreign manufacturers) incorrectly. Im sorry if my disability is inconvenient for you.
@@m26_lemon_grenade55 Don't try his beef jerky. It's made out of people. Tell him he needs to start a travel blog of the most fabulous truck stops in America.
I manage a retail gun store. We sell the hell out of Zastavas, and i own a couple myself. I think the reason why people like myself like them is because a lot of us just want a good looking AK that we dont have to worry about breaking. Theyre beefy, they look good, the fit and finish is great, sights are straight, they have optics mounts on them, and weve never had a quality issue brought to our attention. They sell great, and i recommend them to basically everybody that walks in wanting an AK.
This guy admitted in the comments of his last video he’s literally hate farming for views to get December TH-cam money. Frankly I’m taking anything he says with a grain of salt. But y’all go ahead & keep acting like some random internet guy is always honest. That worked out great with Garandthumb, right?
Amazing how some folks whole existence is based on the rifle they shoot. I’m glad you opened the comments. Gives me a chance to say I enjoy your videos.
I have a wasr and a zpap m70, i am not a shill what so ever but the m70 has less recoil and is more accurate. But the m70 is a bit more heavy than the wasr. But if anyone is complaing about holding 8-10 pounds needs to start doing push ups or something.
No it’s not about pushups. We’re all human beings that fatigue. We gotta run around with these things. U could be carrying more ammo. No reason for it to be so much heavier. Do all the push up u want it doesn’t make the gun better.
Thank you, i also have a m70, I was just saying our great grandfather ran around with real battle rifles and didn’t complain, you can see me doing a move and fire exercise with my zastava, I do pull ups with my kit and rifle
After trying many different countries, I settled on Zastava for 7.62x39 and 5.56 as they work without issue out of the box and don't show excessive wear for me. Bulgarian and Polish in 5.45 built from original unissued kits have been great as well. Others I had to mess with or even had to take apart and put back together correctly. A lot of people hang enough stuff off an AR to end up heavier than an M70 with TWS top cover and optic.
@@m26_lemon_grenade55 thats all you were ever going to get out of a "krink" type pistol anyway correct? Its use purposes is more of a PDW, 200-300yards max.
There are pictures of Bulgarian milled guns that beat themselves to death with the originally installed parts. Bulgarian milled guns are also big stupid and heavy. My Sam has a canted gas block to this day that won’t let the bolt carrier go all the way forward and when it does it smashes the receiver. The yugos are fine you’re not supposed to use alg triggers in them.
I have a FEG built Hungarian that the tapco hammer started deforming the tail on the carrier. It's not Zastava, FEG, etc..... it is the fact American hammers are sometimes too hard &/or not profiled correctly for a partivular variant of ak. Hard to make a "works with all aks" part, when aks are so different and come from so many different nations
@@lonniesullivan7821 I agree 100%. My Wasr10 beat itself to death with a tapco g2. It got so bad the recoil spring got stuck in the bolt and rear of bolt tail was smashed pretty bad. Started having tons of light primer stikes and got rid of it
@@lonniesullivan7821 I agree, I have a 1961 izhevsk build and I had to take alg out because it was messing up the weird firing pin those early Russian akm’s have (the same profile as the Hungarians). Rn the only guns with alg in are the wbp’s and a 71 polish.
If you take everything he says as truth, then you are basically left with a wasr-10 or sar-1. He doesn't care for the wbp because they are commercial, he "hates" zastava for being heavy, impractical, and "junk" and i don't don't see any videos of his where he actually test the rifle to prove these points. I have yet to see an issue with wbp, there are some posts on zastava rifles, however the majority of issues were from previous imports which were admittedly garbage. I think it's one of those situations where you need to do research beyond one mans words, otherwise you are discouraged from getting into the fun of AK rifles.
@@banthycan Not once has he backed up any of his claims. Literally in this video he admits that his only bad experience with a zastava rifle wasn't even his own... Someone else "showed" him one that was beating itself to death ALMOST 23 YEARS AGO! Still has no proof... This dude is a joke just trying to farm for views like he said he was going to do in previous videos.
@@MI2APatriot yeah not to mention 23 years ago would mean surplus parts... funny that there is no round count or evidence to back the rifle itself was bad
My zastava m70 is nicely built up,zr rail and all, I took it through about 3 tactical classes, it weighs out loaded full mag at 12.9 pounds, I love it to death it's my shtf go to, but in a real situation I'll be gassed out, and arms fatigue, which I experienced in classes, I just got to work out more but, damn that thing's heavy, I'm glad you explained why it's so heavy
@@harveymiller4455 mine is okay but after 6 hours of running it in a class..... It wears you down, that's why I said I have to work out. But mine I have the heavy ZR rail so mine's heavier than stock, stock is around 8 lb and some change -mine is 12.9 pounds, its the best AK next to the arsenal.
1st- Welcome home, sir! Thank you for your service. 2nd- Thank you for your honest and intelligent feedback. Regardless as to whether I agree with you or not, I know enough to know that you know what you’re talking about, and when you speak, I listen. Cheers, brother! HooYah!
Great vid. But the M85 and M90 do not use proprietary mag patterns. I run Circle 10 and FB Radom 5.56 mags on mine. Also, a few vids ago you were talking about heavy guns being for men. What gives? I'm a buck 65 and have no trouble with my M70. I do lift, though, so maybe you need to hit the gymnasium. Haha!
I just started watching his videos and I've noticed he's very inconsistent. He's called WBP mediocre, but has also recommended people check out Riley Defense. Like what??
I had a m90...... Circle 10 was hit or miss. Beryl did work. The m90 mag did not work in my arsenal 106 or my Beryl. The m90 feed high is different than most 556 AK. So the Beryl pattern mag works......but it's an extreme feed angle
Appreciate the commentary, friend. I think opinions like this that oppose the typical view of a particular firearm/brand are important when considering purchasing them. Especially when they're not at all cheap.
Uuuuggggg.........Neighbors. I feel you on that one bro. Hell mine had the state police at my house yesterday lol. Been shooting suppressed rifles and pistols on Saturday's in the back for over 5 years. All the cops know me, but a new young trooper who just got transferred took the bait when they said" Can you please do something about him"? LOL. He came up here, talked guns and kit forever and I may have even made a new pal lol. The whiny "anti" crowd just don't get it.......they are the outsiders. Good cops and good civilians usually have more in common than they have differences.....funny shit.
Thank you for being the one to say the emperor has no clothes. I’ve been trying to force myself to like my ZPAP ever since I purchased it in early 2021. Haven’t been too successful with that endeavor
Thank you for some more clarification, would you recommend any Ak within the price range of the Zastavas? I was waiting a little bit on some more information on Riley defense mainly on head spacing and their BCG I don’t want to end up spending a grand on a gun that becomes a wall hanger because something breaks quickly. Great content man, thanks again!
used wasrs can be had for decent prices if youre patient. If youre planning to outfit a rifle with your own tastes in furniture, you can pick up a WBP furniture ready one and save a few bucks too. IDK how alantic is doing them, but Arms of America left the polish fcg in them when you got them as furniture ready. That was a plus in my book
This is a troll channel. Do not buy as riley... As other comments have mentioned, there are far better options in that price range that wont blow up in your hands.
The first zastava rifle i bought was an m70, and the side rail was loose. Wasn’t riveted on tight, and you could see it wobble if you pressed hard enough. Sold it off for an m90, havent have a problem with it. The weight doesn’t really matter too much imo, and it’s accurate enough at the 300 yard range I’ve got access to. The adjustable gas block has been a issue with some of these, i remember they had drilled the holes too large at one point, so i got a 5 position gas valve doodad from GB for like 30 bucks so it’s whatever. Some people say the ac unity 556 mags fit bit i haven’t checked personally
I've never understood the phrase "built like a tank" as a positive. Have you ever looked at the maintenance needed to keep a tank running? Those things are constantly breaking down.
I completely understand your points and don’t necessarily disagree with the price point on the M70 compared to the WASR. I always tell people if you only have $1,000 to spend buy a WASR and ammo. If price isn’t an issue buy a M70 so that it doesn’t look like Edward Scissorhands put it together like the WASR. On the M90, I have used AC Unity 556 mags, AK74 plumbs & bakes mags with Pod Arms followers, as well as the Zastava mags so I’m a little confused as to the point of proprietary magazines. Are you meaning 5.56 AK mags in general? Finally, I have competed at Kcon and have first round hits at 400 & 575 yards in competition so I don’t feel accuracy is an issue. Just my thoughts. Thanks for laying out the video…always love hearing opposing views. Happy New Year boss.
@ true…but capable. Rachellebella cleared the long range course with a Draco. Terminal velocity will be anemic no doubt but I still wouldn’t want it coming towards me.
@@m26_lemon_grenade55 Thicker barrel is more accurate, has more thermal mass which means you can fire more rounds before it gets hot enough to degrade accuracy or malfunction. Built in adjustable gas block, increasing reliability regardless of ammo load or operating conditions(sub-sonic/Ukraine trench mud). Thicker receiver means stronger and accurate overall rifle. You're also weighing it out with wood furniture, not poly. I hope I answered your question.
@@mikhailtolstykh4104Zastava barrels are not more accurate. Just because it’s thicker doesn’t magically make it more accurate. There’s more to it than that. My most accurate 7.62x39 gun is a Chinese SKS. Shoots almost twice as well as my ZPAP and it’s a thinner barrel
Wait, you don't like Zastavas? J.K. I dont like em much either. My biggest issue with new Zastavas are the hideous billboard-sized lawyer markings on the right side of the receiver. Does "READ OWNERS MANUAL BEFORE USE" really need to be stamped into the receiver in 20 point font right where its most visible? FFS Zastava, just give us an M70 clone with proper furniture. Why cant any former combloc factory just give us the clone correct military models we want?
I mean if you’re arguing practicality, there’s no reason to. Everyone knows they’re not practical, but they’re fun and they’re a good workhorse rifle. Everyone knows if you live in the US, a DI gun reins supreme… but that doesn’t mean you can’t buy and shoot something that you think it neat. I love my M90 a lot and it’s the softest shooting rifle I own.
Weird video. M70 is a decent weapon and reasonably priced. Why not go off on the Arsenals, which are way over priced in comparison? Arsenal performance is not measurably better in any way, based on my personal experience with my guns. I have both the new M70 and the M92. The M92 has poor accuracy, and poorly tuned gas system when compared to the M70. It's and ok SBR, but not apples-to-apples comparison. As far as bolt carrier wear, I have the ALG in my M70 and a Tapco in my M92. The M92 has mushroomed with much fewer rounds than the M70. The heat treat/hardness on the M70 bolt carriers looks to be done right. At least on these new ones. And the weight of the M70 with its gas system makes it the most pleasurable AK to shoot out of my collection - which the exception of my ban era Vepr-K, which was like butter, but ridiculously heavy, and which I recently sold. My experience with these guns does not align with any of this video.
M62 Lemon thinks he knows everything. He’s trying to act like he’s a Special Operator when he’s not. I think he was National Guard lol. I rather listen to real experts not some chubby dude in his backyard thinking he knows everything
Yeah I have the preference of liking zastava rifles. I will admit that mostly comes from me getting my start on AK'S with an m70 npap imported from centry in 2016. But the world exists for us to have different opinions and try to coexist. Plus I'll even admit that I really don't love how the yugo spec is way harder to get parts for and nothing can swap to other AKM's on the market.
@ Not saying you haven’t seen those problems. You just come across as a bit of a Fud with the whole 7.62 is terrible past 300 argument. I still gave your video a like.
It really is..... Bullet drop is horrendous starting at 350 yards and wind pushes it around like crazy. Even A half volume cross wind can push the round a foot at 400 yards.
I've never asked for it but, waiting for this video. Your point of view and experience, count. For me, I've run the WASR-1, Arsenal, and an old chi-com Norinco. For the cost, agreed the WSAR is worth what you pay for. Still, I'm interested in the M90. Somewhere down the road, I'll try one out. I know, the logistics are against me. My plan is to keep it stock, inside out. Regular maintenance, post range inspection, and gaining an edge. Wait-n-see.
I bought one of the new M77’s in .308 to make a combloc DMR of sorts. The short stock combined with the siderail towards the rear made it to where I couldn’t find a scope with short enough eye relief to be comfortable. To top it off the best accuracy I could get from it was 1.7ish with 175 grain Federal Match ammo. However it is a very nice looking rifle, has been very reliable, is actually fairly light for a .308 ‘battle rifle’ and I just can’t bring myself to sell it; so I put a MRDS on it and use it that way.
@ Oh, I know. Combloc DMR’s are more about want than need. I bought one of the HD-18’s because I’ve just always wanted a Dragunov. It was my grail gun for the longest time. I’m still happy about buying one but I fully recognize a nice .308 AR would be vastly superior. I had the idea with the M77 to put a ZRAK scope on it, but the only way that worked to any degree was to put the ZRAK in an RS Regulate mount pushed all the way forward.
@@B2k4E I've got the ZRAK on my M77 and it works well, but I converted to a buffer tube rear and run and AR butt stock. That being said, I wish I had 2 M77's. The one i have now, with it's SLR forend, AR stock, magpul grip etc (tacticool, lol), and then a second one with all wood parts, keeping the with the combloc falvor.
@@cschmeelk the rear trunnion is essentially the same for both. There is a model of the Zastava that comes with a 1913 rail rear trunnion, but a lot of them come with a swing swivel hole or just flat metal like the Draco. Either way, it’s a $40 part to add a 1913 rail to either gun.
@@scottie876 The Dracos typically come with a "pistol trunnion" and the m92s typically have an underfolder trunnion. There are variations of both but it makes a big difference when SBRing it.
i am from Bosnia. yuo people better listen to this guy. he is on point. this guy is very intelligent. and has experience in the subjects he talks about. i value his advice. very rare channels like this.
@ I’ve been watching focus for a long long time, idk if I’ve ever seen an AK on his channel,just AR’s,ACR’s, a few pistols and a cheap shotgun lol. The channel you’re on right now is a pretty knowledgeable dude and he suggests wasr10’s a lot.
What is your opinion on galil ace series? (Gen one and Gen two). They're expensive yes but they've always struck me as what the AK-12 series should've been. The gen 1's been used for military use as small scale acquisitions and as a service rifle. I'd like to know your opinion since MSRP is like 2000 (though you can find them on gunbroker NIB for like 1500), but in my opinion its the best optic mounting solution ever devised for AK platform. It seems to never lose zero (though reassembling it can be a pain!). Practically, you're right: I fail to see any standard AK that's not a WASR that doesn't have some sort of improved mounting solution (galil ACE, AK-12, WBP Fox) be any better than a WASR. It's a great value AK for what it is (do I believe they should be going for current MSRP though? HA).
Alright, fair enough. Good reasoning. But in regards to ALG triggers: In my opinion, it's the trigger manufactuerers fault. Those things beat up AKs from multiple good manufacturers, not just Zastavas. To me, that means that ALG ultimately goes too far regarding toughness and longevity of their own product, while seemingly disregarding the machine they make that product for. I'm sure they mean well, but with every machine you have to work within certain specs, if you build parts for it. If your parts end up regularly hurting the machine more than it should, your parts are out of spec - it's that simple to me. Which makes your argument sound a bit like, "Even a tank isn't built like a tank, because AP ammo can still penetrate it in certain spots." No offense, just my 2 cents. And yes, I'm aware that building AK parts "to spec" is a lot like trying to build one oil filter that fits and works with _every_ car.
@@imperialhonorguard1483 Don't trust anything this guy says. It's just a troll channel. He intentionally talks bad about some of the best guns in the industry and then will recommend firearms like Riley Defense that have been known to have catastrophic failures semi regularly.
I ended up with mine because my local shop knew i was looking for an import ak and it was the only one to have come into the shop in a while, i love it, it fits my niche for what i wanted it for, but i regret to because the differences of it and an akm, making it difficult to modernize without the need for m70 specific parts
Forgive me for my ignorance as I don’t know much about AK’s, as I’m an AR guy; but it sounds like the Z gun would last longer (assuming you don’t put the wrong trigger group in)?
I had an NPAP and only one real complaint I was surprised you didnt mention, and that would be their non-standard optic rail. There were pretty much no aftermarket options at the time I bought mine for $700. WASR were really good buys for a while. It was pretty "overgassed", as intended, but not operating in the arctic or in extreme, warzone conditions, it made me concerned about the long-term durability from the potential wear.
i own several arsenals and wasrs, aside from the arsenals being painted, milled (some) and less crooked , general performance is the same . I really liked the stamped 4.5mm folding line of arsenals as they used to be priced fairly and had a load of features no other ak's had at the time
I understand what your saying sir, I must have a good M70 . Just Got off the range to try and bullet check Barnaul shoots Fantastic for Ammo in this Gun. Bought some PSA Ammo To try because of price and availability , shoot 1.5 MOA at 100 Meters today . I understand probably a Lucky day. But damn that made me Smile . I'm a Target shooter and hand loader for 31 years. With That said you are correct , Ak's are why too Expensive these Days. Crazy Times. Just Saying
Zastava gained popularity because they just so happened to be available at the right place/right time during the stimmy check days lol. I’d only be interested in getting an M21.
Yes it IS heavy. Thanks for the info/perspective. Not a ZAS fan-boy, but relatively happy with the one I own. Ive a ZAS M85NP 5.56 pistola. 10" barrel. Bought it as a novelty, plus, it was cheap by current AK pricing standards. Its kinda nice being able to run any regular 5.56 P-Mags/Standard AR15 clipazines. Its riveted polymer magwell addition (with the index finger button style mag-release) is still tight to the receiver in spite of years of abuse n' seeing some heavy usage. I didnt figure it would last all that long though. Aftermarket co's have a better all aluminum machined/constructed mag-well w/a bolt hold open feature (Texas based Co I believe?) Purchased M85NP in 2016 for $500 IIRC. Drilled/tap'd/epoxied small section of Pic rail on beefier rear sight area for a red dot. Its held tight since 2016. Kept wood furniture fore-end, installed pic rail for FL/hot button. Cut the fore-end section off the AKSU74 muzzle booster, to make a linear blast can of sorts. Installed/drilled/tap'd/epoxied a USMG shim/stock-brace folder mechanism & Gear Head Works's MOD1C stand-alone, cap-screwed AL brace on 'er. Designed then Fab'd up an excellent/ergonomic firing hand thumb activated safety selector switch on the receiver's left hand side. REALLY happy with that addition! Im surprised more aftermarket Co's havent jumped on that one as of yet? Short 1/2 throw. Closes upon pushing >> forward >> with ones thumb. Opens safety/fires by pulling back on it. My initial prototype worked, in spite of having 3 differing designs. Only item modified on 'gon was the left side barrel of OEM safety switch. YES there IS a little bit of peening on the BC's tail due to an ALG trigger installed sometime in early 2017. Not too bad as to light damage, but certainly not all that good either! Pretty high round count after installing the ALG (Manufacturers poor heat treatment of bolt carrier perhaps?) One thing that irk'd me was the chowdered out machine tool mill end they'd used to mill out the cam pathway for the bolt within the bolt carrier itself. Everything still functioned fine, but My GAWD?!...SUPER-POOR machining practices! Mill ends are rather CHEAP. -C'mon n'ah Zastava?! I'd fixed the issue by lightly smoothing out those horrendous 'peaks n' valleys' using a dremel & small diameter stone end bit. Enjoy your New Year dude...
i had an m90 and i ended up selling it due to the weight and proprietary parts. but it does not take proprietary mags, I was able to fit just about every 556 mag i could get a hold of. Circle 10, SGM, wbp, Pod arms plums/bakes. I got it because it was 556 and my first ak that was still being imported. Since they had to design it all from the ground up it would be a good buy for a 556 ak but then my LGS had a virgin saiga 223 and i converted it myself the proper way minus swapping the rear trunnion and now im down this rabbit hole.
You are kinda knocking out two birds with one stone with the M 70 a range day and a workout. But idk what you’re talking about magazines? My recently purchased M70 takes all AKM 7.62.39 magazines.
Thank you for the video! I would like to see your tierlist for AK manufacturers, I know the tried and true is the wasr-10, but I'm interested in learning more about different makers from your perspective.
WASR rifles are practically going for the same price as Zastava now. Zastava makes a better looking rifle, with better furniture. That’s where the money is going. Love my M92.
@@Sebomai-b8i This is a troll channel. There are far better options than a WASR lol. This guy intentionally recommends bottom of the barrel junk. It's kinda his thing. Note the comments up top of him admitting he likes to create fake drama for views. Him and Klayco are literally talking about creating a fake beef for views... If you believe anything this guy says, you've failed miserably.
Would the M70 offer any appreciable improvement in heat dissipation due to the thicker barrel and trunnion? Also, was curious if you had any insight on why the Russians switched to the thicker sheet metal for their 100 series AKs. I believe they are 1.2mm or 1.25mm.
Not sure why my comment got deleted but the carrier will be fine if you profile the hammer correctly. AK triggers like the ALG are not drop in like on an AR. Some filing to get the profile correct is required. Especially if it’s so bad your carrier gets hung up on the hammer.
Austin's Armory on YT has a good video about what mags work well with the M90. The M85 steel are the best Imo but the Beryl and Circle 10 work too, the Bulgarian Commerical ones they sell on Gunmag Warehouse are great as well and AC a unity but those are more Range mags. You can also find M70's for $600-$700 on tue second hand market as well. Still I appreciate the content.
Finally a dude who says what I’ve been saying. “x39 will always be limited by the round itself.” It “cheaper” now thank goodness. But this time last year unless you shopped sales or did bulk orders you were better off with 308 in terms of availability. What good is a 2k x39 paperweight if you can’t go to the local store and buy ammo?
I picked up one of the Zastava N-PAP underfolders some years back when they were around $700. It's my beater rifle. I usually keep it stuffed between the handlebars and the bin I keep strapped to the front racks on my ATV. While I like it well enough for that purpose, I probably wouldn't buy another one. The amount of spit and polish that had to go into it to make it even cycle reliably was ridiculous. Lapped all the rail surfaces with valve grinding compound, fully polished the underside of the bolt carrier, the face of the hammer and the sear surfaces, and even did some reshaping work on the front wood to make it a little less boxy in the hand. The trigger out of the box felt like it was faced in sandpaper, and it took me probably ten hours of tinkering with it before I got it to a nice two-stage feel. The front trigger pin constantly wants to walk out, even with the retaining wire properly seated. It's a chunky, clunky rattletrap of a thing. I'd still rather take it out deer hunting in the rain than any of the rifles I actually like, but that's no ringing endorsement. That said, it was in a house fire and ended up a solid chunk of rust after ten days locked in a gun safe that had been directly blasted with a fire hose. I knocked it all apart and dumped the metal parts in a tub of concrete rust stain remover (hydroflouric acid). That stripped all the rust off, leaving the manganese phosphate coating a dull gray in color, and I put it all back together like normal. She's run fine even after that.
I own two Zastava AKs, one M90MP (when Century Arms imported them) and one M70. They're unnecessarily heavy. Machining is rough in comparison to Polish, Bulgarian, or Russian AKs. The parkerization Zastava has historically used isn't the best against rust in humid climates, and both Polish and Russian bluing is superior as a finish by far (Bulgarian finish is well-known to be ass). Despite these reservations, my M90NP is far and away the most accurate AK I own or ever owned. But I'll still take anything else in a pinch.
I own a M70 but I still agree with everything you said. It is heavier, it is beefier, it’s not as accurate as my Arsenal was, and it’s pricier than other options. But having owned Century products before, I would never buy one again. I loved my Arsenal, but I was able to sell it at a profit that I could not pass up. So, due ti it’s durability, the M70 has become my AK of choice. Using a cost/benefit approach, why not buy a $400 Andro AR-15 that delivers sub MOA performance instead of an $1800 Daniel Defense rifle? It’s a valid question. Today’s marketplace has some very interesting options in it and each person gets to decide what they personally like. As long as you can hit the target with whatever you chose when the time makes it necessary to do so, you’ve done just fine. All the rest of it is just opinions, which each of us are entitled to. Rock on.
I had an old DCI Yugo M70AB2 kit build many years ago and it was one of the worst AK's ive ever had lol. It soured my taste on Yugo guns tbh. Also, you're right about the weight. It blew my mind how heavy it was the first time I ever picked it up lol.
To each their own. I like mine. Solid, reliable, most likely won’t break, durable. To say they won’t work past 300 is just ignorant, willfully ignorant. As good as other calibers, no, but definitely can do it. Ignore this guy.
@ plenty of people get hits further than that. It was never meant to further, but it can. Depends on what you are using it for. As a long range hunting caliber, then no. As a sniper caliber, then no. As a battle rifle/self defense/medium hunting range caliber, then yes. All AK’s are heavy. The hate on the ZPAP is just asinine. You have your right to your opinion, but people should disregard it, because it is demonstrably false. On this subject, you are just wrong. Not even a defensible position.
hi, Im trying to re-orient my focus on "what's important". I see your argument of 7.62x39 being 7.62x39 and most limitations in range come from that (makes 100% sense). What about accuracy in higher priced guns? I remember Brandon had a video where they tested a pioneer arms against an Arsenal, and at 100y in the stock configurations & iron sights on a led sled the Arsenal had a 1.2 MOA group, while the pioneer arms shot 9.4 MOA grps at a 100y, effectively making it unusable at that distance. Is this something you consider when looking at brands? We here locally f.e. have Chinese NEDI guns for 350.- but nobody likes to use em for exactly that reason. Would love to hear your thoughts :) & Thanks for the honest content!
@@bryantellezsalas3498 Starting to see a trend in these vids and the comments on them. He just parrots certain things he said, over and over, instead of actually saying something in response that elaborates or shows any further knowledge or insight.
@@lonniesullivan7821 yeah I'm starting to get the same impression, I was genuinely interested since Im new to AKs and own some from pretty much each price sector. I also don't own any Zastavas or have access to PSA so I don't have a bone in the game ^^. Just looking for the knowledge. Il stay optimistic tho
Many people are pointing out i am not saying Zastava incorrectly......In 2004 i was injured in iraq and only have 40 percent of my hearing. One of the side effects is i cannot hear myself pronounce words. I tend to say unfamiliar words (such as the names of foreign manufacturers) incorrectly. Im sorry if my disability is inconvenient for you.
I just want to hear you read your shirt. Im sure youll say it better than me. Everytime I say it, it comes out like a harry potter spell.
The people correcting your pronunciation of a word is not worth your apology. Carry on good sir 🇺🇸🇺🇸
@@m26_lemon_grenade55 people yap about everything, if you don’t say izevshk right the Sovietboos throw a fit
I’ve heard it both ways
@@gearbarrel6237 Well said, brother.
"he is out there talking to himself again Susan!"
He's a gay truck driver. Drivers a muscle car and supports trump
For the record, there's nothing wrong with talking to yourself, or thinking out loud, everyone does it.
@@m26_lemon_grenade55 lol
@@m26_lemon_grenade55 Don't try his beef jerky. It's made out of people.
Tell him he needs to start a travel blog of the most fabulous truck stops in America.
I feel personally attacked.
we do a little trolling
Normalize respectfully disagreeing about guns
He loves the heavy ass 556. Hilarious!
@m26_lemon_grenade55 No... this is TH-cam. We disagree about guns...now you are my enemy.
I overheard M26 saying he specifically only hates Klayco.
I manage a retail gun store. We sell the hell out of Zastavas, and i own a couple myself. I think the reason why people like myself like them is because a lot of us just want a good looking AK that we dont have to worry about breaking. Theyre beefy, they look good, the fit and finish is great, sights are straight, they have optics mounts on them, and weve never had a quality issue brought to our attention. They sell great, and i recommend them to basically everybody that walks in wanting an AK.
Funny
@m26_lemon_grenade55 what's funny?
This guy admitted in the comments of his last video he’s literally hate farming for views to get December TH-cam money. Frankly I’m taking anything he says with a grain of salt. But y’all go ahead & keep acting like some random internet guy is always honest. That worked out great with Garandthumb, right?
@donewithmodernlife agreed
@@donewithmodernlife if you've been unable to read between the lines.....go ahead and hit that subscribe button
Z-Gang for life.
Just keep pumping these videos out brother we love em. And we love hearing from you! Bacon rants are how i got here
Amazing how some folks whole existence is based on the rifle they shoot.
I’m glad you opened the comments.
Gives me a chance to say I enjoy your videos.
I have a wasr and a zpap m70, i am not a shill what so ever but the m70 has less recoil and is more accurate. But the m70 is a bit more heavy than the wasr. But if anyone is complaing about holding 8-10 pounds needs to start doing push ups or something.
No it’s not about pushups. We’re all human beings that fatigue. We gotta run around with these things. U could be carrying more ammo. No reason for it to be so much heavier. Do all the push up u want it doesn’t make the gun better.
Thank you, i also have a m70, I was just saying our great grandfather ran around with real battle rifles and didn’t complain, you can see me doing a move and fire exercise with my zastava, I do pull ups with my kit and rifle
That's basically like saying If you can't handle the extra recoil do more push-ups lol
@@jefferyboring4410 I literally have a video running around in kit shooting with my “heavy rifle” and then I do pull ups, keep making excuses
@@superhashbrom8441 sounds like excuses
After trying many different countries, I settled on Zastava for 7.62x39 and 5.56 as they work without issue out of the box and don't show excessive wear for me. Bulgarian and Polish in 5.45 built from original unissued kits have been great as well. Others I had to mess with or even had to take apart and put back together correctly. A lot of people hang enough stuff off an AR to end up heavier than an M70 with TWS top cover and optic.
Finally someone says the M92 is where its at! I'm generally surprised. Now I wish I still had one...
Especially since it is 10 inches compared to the regular 8 inches for a krink.
I have an M92 SBR with the underfolder stock and absolutely love it
Either way you're getting 9mm performance
@@m26_lemon_grenade55 thats all you were ever going to get out of a "krink" type pistol anyway correct? Its use purposes is more of a PDW, 200-300yards max.
@@cleavernamehere that's why I don't (and will never own) a Krink type
Zas-tuh-fuhs
If the “READ THE MANUAL” stamp on the receiver wasnt enough of a warning sign, this video is
"bUiLt LiKe A tANk"
@@jmarvosa6x3 EXACTLY why I don't geek out about them. It's hard to get serb war vibes with that stamped on the side lol
I do enjoy my M70s 👍🏼 thanks for the video
Can you do a video on top 5 and worst 5 akm’s thanks
There are pictures of Bulgarian milled guns that beat themselves to death with the originally installed parts. Bulgarian milled guns are also big stupid and heavy. My Sam has a canted gas block to this day that won’t let the bolt carrier go all the way forward and when it does it smashes the receiver. The yugos are fine you’re not supposed to use alg triggers in them.
Mine havent had issues with ALG triggers
I have a FEG built Hungarian that the tapco hammer started deforming the tail on the carrier. It's not Zastava, FEG, etc..... it is the fact American hammers are sometimes too hard &/or not profiled correctly for a partivular variant of ak. Hard to make a "works with all aks" part, when aks are so different and come from so many different nations
@@lonniesullivan7821 I agree 100%. My Wasr10 beat itself to death with a tapco g2. It got so bad the recoil spring got stuck in the bolt and rear of bolt tail was smashed pretty bad. Started having tons of light primer stikes and got rid of it
@@onlyfords69 the arsenals don’t come with alg triggers.
@@lonniesullivan7821 I agree, I have a 1961 izhevsk build and I had to take alg out because it was messing up the weird firing pin those early Russian akm’s have (the same profile as the Hungarians). Rn the only guns with alg in are the wbp’s and a 71 polish.
me and my homies wanna get into aks but honest information that isn't an advertisement is rare. your channel is valuable, oldhead. thanks
If you take everything he says as truth, then you are basically left with a wasr-10 or sar-1. He doesn't care for the wbp because they are commercial, he "hates" zastava for being heavy, impractical, and "junk" and i don't don't see any videos of his where he actually test the rifle to prove these points. I have yet to see an issue with wbp, there are some posts on zastava rifles, however the majority of issues were from previous imports which were admittedly garbage. I think it's one of those situations where you need to do research beyond one mans words, otherwise you are discouraged from getting into the fun of AK rifles.
@ i just like that he isn't a shill and has his own opinions lol
@@banthycan he also thinks riley defense is good for some reason lol
@@banthycan Not once has he backed up any of his claims. Literally in this video he admits that his only bad experience with a zastava rifle wasn't even his own... Someone else "showed" him one that was beating itself to death ALMOST 23 YEARS AGO! Still has no proof... This dude is a joke just trying to farm for views like he said he was going to do in previous videos.
@@MI2APatriot yeah not to mention 23 years ago would mean surplus parts... funny that there is no round count or evidence to back the rifle itself was bad
My zastava m70 is nicely built up,zr rail and all, I took it through about 3 tactical classes, it weighs out loaded full mag at 12.9 pounds, I love it to death it's my shtf go to, but in a real situation I'll be gassed out, and arms fatigue, which I experienced in classes, I just got to work out more but, damn that thing's heavy, I'm glad you explained why it's so heavy
I'm 71 and the weight is fine with me.
@@harveymiller4455 mine is okay but after 6 hours of running it in a class..... It wears you down, that's why I said I have to work out. But mine I have the heavy ZR rail so mine's heavier than stock, stock is around 8 lb and some change -mine is 12.9 pounds, its the best AK next to the arsenal.
Dude your channel is growing so fast! Keep it up!
I hate it
1st- Welcome home, sir!
Thank you for your service.
2nd- Thank you for your honest and intelligent feedback.
Regardless as to whether I agree with you or not, I know enough to know that you know what you’re talking about, and when you speak, I listen.
Cheers, brother!
HooYah!
Yes! This is the video I wanted! Thanks man.
Yup.
All about personal preference, what you are looking to spend, specs you are willing to tolerate, etc.
Thanks for the video!
🤠🦬🦅🪶⛈️
I appreciate the rational and thoughtful evaluation ⭐️
Great vid. But the M85 and M90 do not use proprietary mag patterns. I run Circle 10 and FB Radom 5.56 mags on mine. Also, a few vids ago you were talking about heavy guns being for men. What gives? I'm a buck 65 and have no trouble with my M70. I do lift, though, so maybe you need to hit the gymnasium. Haha!
I just started watching his videos and I've noticed he's very inconsistent. He's called WBP mediocre, but has also recommended people check out Riley Defense. Like what??
I had a m90...... Circle 10 was hit or miss. Beryl did work. The m90 mag did not work in my arsenal 106 or my Beryl. The m90 feed high is different than most 556 AK. So the Beryl pattern mag works......but it's an extreme feed angle
WBP are commercial grade guns...... I said check up Riley Defense Instead of PSA
@adamc2378 Doesnt make sense, Im thinking it's a troll channel tbh.
@@adamc2378he recommended Riley Defense in lieu of PSA. Not overall. Comprehension is key.
Been waiting for this video, thanks man.
Appreciate the commentary, friend. I think opinions like this that oppose the typical view of a particular firearm/brand are important when considering purchasing them. Especially when they're not at all cheap.
Im just thankful you turned the comments on. Sure there's some goofballs, but there's a good community here👍
I feel like I always learn something new and valuable whenever you drop a kalash vid whether it’s technical data or just historical information
Uuuuggggg.........Neighbors. I feel you on that one bro. Hell mine had the state police at my house yesterday lol. Been shooting suppressed rifles and pistols on Saturday's in the back for over 5 years. All the cops know me, but a new young trooper who just got transferred took the bait when they said" Can you please do something about him"? LOL. He came up here, talked guns and kit forever and I may have even made a new pal lol. The whiny "anti" crowd just don't get it.......they are the outsiders. Good cops and good civilians usually have more in common than they have differences.....funny shit.
Thank you for being the one to say the emperor has no clothes. I’ve been trying to force myself to like my ZPAP ever since I purchased it in early 2021. Haven’t been too successful with that endeavor
Thank you for some more clarification, would you recommend any Ak within the price range of the Zastavas? I was waiting a little bit on some more information on Riley defense mainly on head spacing and their BCG I don’t want to end up spending a grand on a gun that becomes a wall hanger because something breaks quickly. Great content man, thanks again!
used wasrs can be had for decent prices if youre patient. If youre planning to outfit a rifle with your own tastes in furniture, you can pick up a WBP furniture ready one and save a few bucks too. IDK how alantic is doing them, but Arms of America left the polish fcg in them when you got them as furniture ready. That was a plus in my book
This is a troll channel. Do not buy as riley... As other comments have mentioned, there are far better options in that price range that wont blow up in your hands.
The first zastava rifle i bought was an m70, and the side rail was loose. Wasn’t riveted on tight, and you could see it wobble if you pressed hard enough. Sold it off for an m90, havent have a problem with it. The weight doesn’t really matter too much imo, and it’s accurate enough at the 300 yard range I’ve got access to.
The adjustable gas block has been a issue with some of these, i remember they had drilled the holes too large at one point, so i got a 5 position gas valve doodad from GB for like 30 bucks so it’s whatever. Some people say the ac unity 556 mags fit bit i haven’t checked personally
Always a big fan of the honesty love your opinion thanks for sharing it
I've never understood the phrase "built like a tank" as a positive. Have you ever looked at the maintenance needed to keep a tank running? Those things are constantly breaking down.
Good points. One of the reasons I opted for the stamped receiver when I had the choice when I got my MAK-90, back when they were $300
Mac 90
The Cadillac of the AK world
So what you're saying is it would be perfect as a squad Auto weapon.
I completely understand your points and don’t necessarily disagree with the price point on the M70 compared to the WASR. I always tell people if you only have $1,000 to spend buy a WASR and ammo. If price isn’t an issue buy a M70 so that it doesn’t look like Edward Scissorhands put it together like the WASR.
On the M90, I have used AC Unity 556 mags, AK74 plumbs & bakes mags with Pod Arms followers, as well as the Zastava mags so I’m a little confused as to the point of proprietary magazines. Are you meaning 5.56 AK mags in general?
Finally, I have competed at Kcon and have first round hits at 400 & 575 yards in competition so I don’t feel accuracy is an issue.
Just my thoughts. Thanks for laying out the video…always love hearing opposing views.
Happy New Year boss.
You didn't hit at 400 to 550 yard because you have a m70. That's my point. You made those hits because you know how to shoot 7.62x39 at distance.
@ M90 but I hear ya. Appreciate you
@@FitnFire Ok....my comments were about 7.62x39 being dog shit pass 300 yards
@ true…but capable. Rachellebella cleared the long range course with a Draco. Terminal velocity will be anemic no doubt but I still wouldn’t want it coming towards me.
Unfortunately the drop is horrendous after 350 and even a half volume wind can push it like a foot .
I have been dealing with Polish AKMS for 20 years and it is sad to write that the Serbian ZASTAVA M70 AB2 shoots better (more accurately).
Weird. I run Weiger East Germs, circle 10, WBP, and Beryl mags out of my M85 and M90 🤷♂️
He went from saying that heavy guns are mans guns to saying he doesn’t like Zastavas because they’re heavy.
@@boffa-deezI said it's heavier with no increase in performance. Why carry more weight if you don't have to?
@@m26_lemon_grenade55 Thicker barrel is more accurate, has more thermal mass which means you can fire more rounds before it gets hot enough to degrade accuracy or malfunction. Built in adjustable gas block, increasing reliability regardless of ammo load or operating conditions(sub-sonic/Ukraine trench mud). Thicker receiver means stronger and accurate overall rifle. You're also weighing it out with wood furniture, not poly. I hope I answered your question.
@@mikhailtolstykh4104Zastava barrels are not more accurate. Just because it’s thicker doesn’t magically make it more accurate. There’s more to it than that. My most accurate 7.62x39 gun is a Chinese SKS. Shoots almost twice as well as my ZPAP and it’s a thinner barrel
@@mikhailtolstykh4104also, thicker does not mean stronger when the metallurgy is inferior
Wait, you don't like Zastavas?
J.K. I dont like em much either. My biggest issue with new Zastavas are the hideous billboard-sized lawyer markings on the right side of the receiver. Does "READ OWNERS MANUAL BEFORE USE" really need to be stamped into the receiver in 20 point font right where its most visible? FFS Zastava, just give us an M70 clone with proper furniture. Why cant any former combloc factory just give us the clone correct military models we want?
Maybe Zastava has the same lawyers as Ruger, they put the whole owners manual on the receiver.
I mean if you’re arguing practicality, there’s no reason to. Everyone knows they’re not practical, but they’re fun and they’re a good workhorse rifle. Everyone knows if you live in the US, a DI gun reins supreme… but that doesn’t mean you can’t buy and shoot something that you think it neat. I love my M90 a lot and it’s the softest shooting rifle I own.
As a m92 owner i aprove this message lol
Weird video. M70 is a decent weapon and reasonably priced. Why not go off on the Arsenals, which are way over priced in comparison? Arsenal performance is not measurably better in any way, based on my personal experience with my guns.
I have both the new M70 and the M92. The M92 has poor accuracy, and poorly tuned gas system when compared to the M70. It's and ok SBR, but not apples-to-apples comparison.
As far as bolt carrier wear, I have the ALG in my M70 and a Tapco in my M92. The M92 has mushroomed with much fewer rounds than the M70. The heat treat/hardness on the M70 bolt carriers looks to be done right. At least on these new ones.
And the weight of the M70 with its gas system makes it the most pleasurable AK to shoot out of my collection - which the exception of my ban era Vepr-K, which was like butter, but ridiculously heavy, and which I recently sold.
My experience with these guns does not align with any of this video.
M62 Lemon thinks he knows everything. He’s trying to act like he’s a Special Operator when he’s not. I think he was National Guard lol. I rather listen to real experts not some chubby dude in his backyard thinking he knows everything
Yeah I have the preference of liking zastava rifles. I will admit that mostly comes from me getting my start on AK'S with an m70 npap imported from centry in 2016. But the world exists for us to have different opinions and try to coexist. Plus I'll even admit that I really don't love how the yugo spec is way harder to get parts for and nothing can swap to other AKM's on the market.
This is a great video man someone needed to say this
People need to chill, I like Italian and Hispanic women. Some people like Swedish blondes. We all don’t agree. What we like is what we like.
Nice to hear some new opinions over regurgitation
The Fud lore is strong with him. 😂
Yes...not like I've personally seen the issues or anything
@ Not saying you haven’t seen those problems. You just come across as a bit of a Fud with the whole 7.62 is terrible past 300 argument. I still gave your video a like.
It really is..... Bullet drop is horrendous starting at 350 yards and wind pushes it around like crazy. Even A half volume cross wind can push the round a foot at 400 yards.
Please keep making videos bro you’re a wealth if knowledge and i like your no nonsense style of information
I've never asked for it but, waiting for this video. Your point of view and experience, count. For me, I've run the WASR-1, Arsenal, and an old chi-com Norinco. For the cost, agreed the WSAR is worth what you pay for. Still, I'm interested in the M90. Somewhere down the road, I'll try one out. I know, the logistics are against me. My plan is to keep it stock, inside out. Regular maintenance, post range inspection, and gaining an edge. Wait-n-see.
I bought one of the new M77’s in .308 to make a combloc DMR of sorts. The short stock combined with the siderail towards the rear made it to where I couldn’t find a scope with short enough eye relief to be comfortable. To top it off the best accuracy I could get from it was 1.7ish with 175 grain Federal Match ammo. However it is a very nice looking rifle, has been very reliable, is actually fairly light for a .308 ‘battle rifle’ and I just can’t bring myself to sell it; so I put a MRDS on it and use it that way.
I don't like full rifle Kalashnikovs (m77, PSL, dragonovs). For the money you pay for these things you can get a really nice sub moa gun
@ Oh, I know. Combloc DMR’s are more about want than need. I bought one of the HD-18’s because I’ve just always wanted a Dragunov. It was my grail gun for the longest time. I’m still happy about buying one but I fully recognize a nice .308 AR would be vastly superior. I had the idea with the M77 to put a ZRAK scope on it, but the only way that worked to any degree was to put the ZRAK in an RS Regulate mount pushed all the way forward.
@@B2k4E I've got the ZRAK on my M77 and it works well, but I converted to a buffer tube rear and run and AR butt stock. That being said, I wish I had 2 M77's. The one i have now, with it's SLR forend, AR stock, magpul grip etc (tacticool, lol), and then a second one with all wood parts, keeping the with the combloc falvor.
Love your honesty as always and your respect as well! Keep up the great work !
How about the Zastava pap m77 in 308?
Why do you like the m92 better than the draco?
I have the same question.
The logic doesn’t track.
M92s are very cool, but they’re a pound heavier than a Draco and there are currently more aftermarket options for a Draco.
I was just about to ask the same. They're both pretty similar in specs. Maybe the rear trunnion?
@@cschmeelk the rear trunnion is essentially the same for both. There is a model of the Zastava that comes with a 1913 rail rear trunnion, but a lot of them come with a swing swivel hole or just flat metal like the Draco.
Either way, it’s a $40 part to add a 1913 rail to either gun.
@@scottie876 The Dracos typically come with a "pistol trunnion" and the m92s typically have an underfolder trunnion. There are variations of both but it makes a big difference when SBRing it.
i am from Bosnia. yuo people better listen to this guy. he is on point. this guy is very intelligent. and has experience in the subjects he talks about. i value his advice. very rare channels like this.
But TFB told me they were the best
lol. Never trust a guy in shorts that tight 😂😂😂
Focus can you make a recommendation for AK? Unless you don't know, then NVM.
@@collinb.8542 don't buy a PSA
@ I’ve been watching focus for a long long time, idk if I’ve ever seen an AK on his channel,just AR’s,ACR’s, a few pistols and a cheap shotgun lol. The channel you’re on right now is a pretty knowledgeable dude and he suggests wasr10’s a lot.
I trust AK operators union
What is your opinion on galil ace series? (Gen one and Gen two). They're expensive yes but they've always struck me as what the AK-12 series should've been. The gen 1's been used for military use as small scale acquisitions and as a service rifle. I'd like to know your opinion since MSRP is like 2000 (though you can find them on gunbroker NIB for like 1500), but in my opinion its the best optic mounting solution ever devised for AK platform. It seems to never lose zero (though reassembling it can be a pain!).
Practically, you're right: I fail to see any standard AK that's not a WASR that doesn't have some sort of improved mounting solution (galil ACE, AK-12, WBP Fox) be any better than a WASR. It's a great value AK for what it is (do I believe they should be going for current MSRP though? HA).
Alright, fair enough. Good reasoning.
But in regards to ALG triggers:
In my opinion, it's the trigger manufactuerers fault. Those things beat up AKs from multiple good manufacturers, not just Zastavas. To me, that means that ALG ultimately goes too far regarding toughness and longevity of their own product, while seemingly disregarding the machine they make that product for.
I'm sure they mean well, but with every machine you have to work within certain specs, if you build parts for it. If your parts end up regularly hurting the machine more than it should, your parts are out of spec - it's that simple to me.
Which makes your argument sound a bit like, "Even a tank isn't built like a tank, because AP ammo can still penetrate it in certain spots."
No offense, just my 2 cents.
And yes, I'm aware that building AK parts "to spec" is a lot like trying to build one oil filter that fits and works with _every_ car.
What do you like? Make a list.
Nothing he only simps for Riley Defense and Pioneer. I don’t think he can afford quality AKs that’s why he shits on them lmao
which AK's do you like? I'm a new viewer
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@@m26_lemon_grenade55 thanks
@@imperialhonorguard1483 Don't trust anything this guy says. It's just a troll channel. He intentionally talks bad about some of the best guns in the industry and then will recommend firearms like Riley Defense that have been known to have catastrophic failures semi regularly.
I ended up with mine because my local shop knew i was looking for an import ak and it was the only one to have come into the shop in a while, i love it, it fits my niche for what i wanted it for, but i regret to because the differences of it and an akm, making it difficult to modernize without the need for m70 specific parts
That a Chevelle way in the background?
68-69?
Forgive me for my ignorance as I don’t know much about AK’s, as I’m an AR guy; but it sounds like the Z gun would last longer (assuming you don’t put the wrong trigger group in)?
It will be is just saying it’s a lot heavier and it’s not worth it for what most people do
I had an NPAP and only one real complaint I was surprised you didnt mention, and that would be their non-standard optic rail. There were pretty much no aftermarket options at the time I bought mine for $700. WASR were really good buys for a while.
It was pretty "overgassed", as intended, but not operating in the arctic or in extreme, warzone conditions, it made me concerned about the long-term durability from the potential wear.
I don't like side rail mounts
i own several arsenals and wasrs, aside from the arsenals being painted, milled (some) and less crooked , general performance is the same . I really liked the stamped 4.5mm folding line of arsenals as they used to be priced fairly and had a load of features no other ak's had at the time
I understand what your saying sir, I must have a good M70 . Just Got off the range to try and bullet check Barnaul shoots Fantastic for Ammo in this Gun. Bought some PSA Ammo To try because of price and availability , shoot 1.5 MOA at 100 Meters today . I understand probably a Lucky day. But damn that made me Smile . I'm a Target shooter and hand loader for 31 years. With That said you are correct , Ak's are why too Expensive these Days. Crazy Times. Just Saying
Great content!
Love the videos!
I'm wrecking my budget watching this channel, but I can't stop myself.
You can find M70s for $850-$900 if you know where to look.
Got mine for $700. That's lucky though. VERY worth it for that kind of money lol.
Easy to hate on Zastava now until they announce a ban on them coming in and then they’ll disappear off the shelves overnight
Works for me.....I'm not a fan
I doubt our new administration will be harsher on the AK community than the last one.
@@HOLYFEAR76 That’s a bold assumption.
Zastava gained popularity because they just so happened to be available at the right place/right time during the stimmy check days lol. I’d only be interested in getting an M21.
Valid points all around. I still love my NPAP-DF though.
Yes it IS heavy.
Thanks for the info/perspective.
Not a ZAS fan-boy, but relatively happy with the one I own.
Ive a ZAS M85NP 5.56 pistola. 10" barrel. Bought it as a novelty, plus, it was cheap by current AK pricing standards.
Its kinda nice being able to run any regular 5.56 P-Mags/Standard AR15 clipazines.
Its riveted polymer magwell addition (with the index finger button style mag-release) is still tight to the receiver in spite of years of abuse n' seeing some heavy usage. I didnt figure it would last all that long though.
Aftermarket co's have a better all aluminum machined/constructed mag-well w/a bolt hold open feature (Texas based Co I believe?)
Purchased M85NP in 2016 for $500 IIRC.
Drilled/tap'd/epoxied small section of Pic rail on beefier rear sight area for a red dot. Its held tight since 2016.
Kept wood furniture fore-end, installed pic rail for FL/hot button.
Cut the fore-end section off the AKSU74 muzzle booster, to make a linear blast can of sorts.
Installed/drilled/tap'd/epoxied a USMG shim/stock-brace folder mechanism & Gear Head Works's MOD1C stand-alone, cap-screwed AL brace on 'er.
Designed then Fab'd up an excellent/ergonomic firing hand thumb activated safety selector switch on the receiver's left hand side. REALLY happy with that addition! Im surprised more aftermarket Co's havent jumped on that one as of yet?
Short 1/2 throw. Closes upon pushing >> forward >> with ones thumb. Opens safety/fires by pulling back on it. My initial prototype worked, in spite of having 3 differing designs. Only item modified on 'gon was the left side barrel of OEM safety switch.
YES there IS a little bit of peening on the BC's tail due to an ALG trigger installed sometime in early 2017. Not too bad as to light damage, but certainly not all that good either!
Pretty high round count after installing the ALG (Manufacturers poor heat treatment of bolt carrier perhaps?)
One thing that irk'd me was the chowdered out machine tool mill end they'd used to mill out the cam pathway for the bolt within the bolt carrier itself.
Everything still functioned fine, but My GAWD?!...SUPER-POOR machining practices!
Mill ends are rather CHEAP. -C'mon n'ah Zastava?!
I'd fixed the issue by lightly smoothing out those horrendous 'peaks n' valleys' using a dremel & small diameter stone end bit.
Enjoy your New Year dude...
i had an m90 and i ended up selling it due to the weight and proprietary parts. but it does not take proprietary mags, I was able to fit just about every 556 mag i could get a hold of. Circle 10, SGM, wbp, Pod arms plums/bakes. I got it because it was 556 and my first ak that was still being imported. Since they had to design it all from the ground up it would be a good buy for a 556 ak but then my LGS had a virgin saiga 223 and i converted it myself the proper way minus swapping the rear trunnion and now im down this rabbit hole.
You are kinda knocking out two birds with one stone with the M 70 a range day and a workout. But idk what you’re talking about magazines? My recently purchased M70 takes all AKM 7.62.39 magazines.
Ugh
do you have a fire alarm going off?
Sounds like the white version 😂😂😂
Fire sirens for volunteer fire department
I enjoyed the video. An informed consumer is a happier one. Differences on how you view AK is good. I’ll leave my next comment the spicy one.
Thank you for the video! I would like to see your tierlist for AK manufacturers, I know the tried and true is the wasr-10, but I'm interested in learning more about different makers from your perspective.
Hell yea more kalash videos. I find this stuff absolutely fascinating and I've never even held one...Thanks for the videos Lemon, Happy new year!
WASR rifles are practically going for the same price as Zastava now. Zastava makes a better looking rifle, with better furniture. That’s where the money is going. Love my M92.
So,,,, which akm do you recommend? There are so many you don’t like ,,, out of all the factory built akm’s which one would you spend your money on?
WASR10, hes said it many times, and anyone with a basic knowledge of Kalash's will tell you the same.
@@Sebomai-b8i This is a troll channel. There are far better options than a WASR lol. This guy intentionally recommends bottom of the barrel junk. It's kinda his thing. Note the comments up top of him admitting he likes to create fake drama for views. Him and Klayco are literally talking about creating a fake beef for views... If you believe anything this guy says, you've failed miserably.
Would the M70 offer any appreciable improvement in heat dissipation due to the thicker barrel and trunnion?
Also, was curious if you had any insight on why the Russians switched to the thicker sheet metal for their 100 series AKs. I believe they are 1.2mm or 1.25mm.
I'm not trying to be a dick.....but it's sheet metal
@@m26_lemon_grenade55 Right, might as well be canvas.
thoughts of the M77 .308???
No thanks.
@@m26_lemon_grenade55 😭
Opinions on the WASR 3 in 5.56...appreciate the videos and comments....I am looking at a 7.62x39 AK....why? because..😅
What do you think of the M77? I've been debating about picking one of those up.
Not worth 1300. You can get a FAL for that
Does the alg trigger deform all bolt carriers?
Why would ALG trigger deform ZAP bolt carrier?
@@jameshwang4750I literally show a picture
Yes, it does.
Not sure why my comment got deleted but the carrier will be fine if you profile the hammer correctly. AK triggers like the ALG are not drop in like on an AR. Some filing to get the profile correct is required. Especially if it’s so bad your carrier gets hung up on the hammer.
4:40 and that is why I’ve always left stock triggers
Yep..... totally built like a tank
Austin's Armory on YT has a good video about what mags work well with the M90. The M85 steel are the best Imo but the Beryl and Circle 10 work too, the Bulgarian Commerical ones they sell on Gunmag Warehouse are great as well and AC a unity but those are more Range mags.
You can also find M70's for $600-$700 on tue second hand market as well. Still I appreciate the content.
Finally a dude who says what I’ve been saying.
“x39 will always be limited by the round itself.”
It “cheaper” now thank goodness. But this time last year unless you shopped sales or did bulk orders you were better off with 308 in terms of availability.
What good is a 2k x39 paperweight if you can’t go to the local store and buy ammo?
I picked up one of the Zastava N-PAP underfolders some years back when they were around $700. It's my beater rifle. I usually keep it stuffed between the handlebars and the bin I keep strapped to the front racks on my ATV. While I like it well enough for that purpose, I probably wouldn't buy another one. The amount of spit and polish that had to go into it to make it even cycle reliably was ridiculous. Lapped all the rail surfaces with valve grinding compound, fully polished the underside of the bolt carrier, the face of the hammer and the sear surfaces, and even did some reshaping work on the front wood to make it a little less boxy in the hand. The trigger out of the box felt like it was faced in sandpaper, and it took me probably ten hours of tinkering with it before I got it to a nice two-stage feel. The front trigger pin constantly wants to walk out, even with the retaining wire properly seated. It's a chunky, clunky rattletrap of a thing. I'd still rather take it out deer hunting in the rain than any of the rifles I actually like, but that's no ringing endorsement. That said, it was in a house fire and ended up a solid chunk of rust after ten days locked in a gun safe that had been directly blasted with a fire hose. I knocked it all apart and dumped the metal parts in a tub of concrete rust stain remover (hydroflouric acid). That stripped all the rust off, leaving the manganese phosphate coating a dull gray in color, and I put it all back together like normal. She's run fine even after that.
some of us are rocket scientists and can make rifle rockets so that's why we get the m70s
What's your opinion of KUSA firearms? Specifically the KR-104.
They are out of business. Excellent core parts.
Thank you for doing this video!
I own two Zastava AKs, one M90MP (when Century Arms imported them) and one M70. They're unnecessarily heavy. Machining is rough in comparison to Polish, Bulgarian, or Russian AKs. The parkerization Zastava has historically used isn't the best against rust in humid climates, and both Polish and Russian bluing is superior as a finish by far (Bulgarian finish is well-known to be ass). Despite these reservations, my M90NP is far and away the most accurate AK I own or ever owned. But I'll still take anything else in a pinch.
The weights a feature bud. Throw a good brake on there and its recoiless. Plus my arms look sick holding the damn thing. Range Day = Arms Day.
I own a M70 but I still agree with everything you said. It is heavier, it is beefier, it’s not as accurate as my Arsenal was, and it’s pricier than other options. But having owned Century products before, I would never buy one again. I loved my Arsenal, but I was able to sell it at a profit that I could not pass up. So, due ti it’s durability, the M70 has become my AK of choice.
Using a cost/benefit approach, why not buy a $400 Andro AR-15 that delivers sub MOA performance instead of an $1800 Daniel Defense rifle? It’s a valid question. Today’s marketplace has some very interesting options in it and each person gets to decide what they personally like. As long as you can hit the target with whatever you chose when the time makes it necessary to do so, you’ve done just fine. All the rest of it is just opinions, which each of us are entitled to. Rock on.
I had an old DCI Yugo M70AB2 kit build many years ago and it was one of the worst AK's ive ever had lol. It soured my taste on Yugo guns tbh. Also, you're right about the weight. It blew my mind how heavy it was the first time I ever picked it up lol.
Also try getting spare parts for your M90 (firing pins, extractors etc.) Good luck.
To each their own. I like mine. Solid, reliable, most likely won’t break, durable. To say they won’t work past 300 is just ignorant, willfully ignorant. As good as other calibers, no, but definitely can do it. Ignore this guy.
Literally my point.....it sucks past 300 yards
@ plenty of people get hits further than that. It was never meant to further, but it can. Depends on what you are using it for. As a long range hunting caliber, then no. As a sniper caliber, then no. As a battle rifle/self defense/medium hunting range caliber, then yes. All AK’s are heavy. The hate on the ZPAP is just asinine. You have your right to your opinion, but people should disregard it, because it is demonstrably false. On this subject, you are just wrong. Not even a defensible position.
@@kirtflesher1603sure ....if you're a trained sniper like Rob Ski you can push it to 500 yards. The rest of us mere mortals.....looking at 350 tops
hi, Im trying to re-orient my focus on "what's important". I see your argument of 7.62x39 being 7.62x39 and most limitations in range come from that (makes 100% sense). What about accuracy in higher priced guns? I remember Brandon had a video where they tested a pioneer arms against an Arsenal, and at 100y in the stock configurations & iron sights on a led sled the Arsenal had a 1.2 MOA group, while the pioneer arms shot 9.4 MOA grps at a 100y, effectively making it unusable at that distance. Is this something you consider when looking at brands? We here locally f.e. have Chinese NEDI guns for 350.- but nobody likes to use em for exactly that reason. Would love to hear your thoughts :) & Thanks for the honest content!
If it's 7.62x39......its crap past 300 yards.
Cool yeah, but I was talking having 8 MOA diffrences from a cheap to an expensive gun at 100 yards.. so way below the 300 :)
@@bryantellezsalas3498 Starting to see a trend in these vids and the comments on them. He just parrots certain things he said, over and over, instead of actually saying something in response that elaborates or shows any further knowledge or insight.
@@lonniesullivan7821 yeah I'm starting to get the same impression, I was genuinely interested since Im new to AKs and own some from pretty much each price sector. I also don't own any Zastavas or have access to PSA so I don't have a bone in the game ^^. Just looking for the knowledge. Il stay optimistic tho
Zastava and Zpap owners brawling it out while I, a wasr-10 owner, watching my two bros arguing over who hits the widest side of a barn better.