Shane, this video saved me from implementing BLE pass-through in my BeatBiker app so folks could use it to Zwift with music workouts. Basically the intensity of the music controls the trainer resistance, if that makes sense. Anyhow, I really wanted to support the the trainers that don't already do multi-connect and I think the Ant+BLE approach you describe will do quite nicely. I'll be linking your video in the instructions, if that's OK. Thanks! James.
This is very good information since staying disciplined towards a sessions training goal is sooo hard on Zwift :) If your a group leader this is gold since all your attention can go to communication&observation towards keeping the group together.
Channel is excellent, Shane. Keep up the great work :) Now I just need to get myself a decent bike...and one of these trainer/Zwift thingy-me-jiggies...
I use Fulgaz with TrainerRoad in a free ride workout. This gives some variety to workouts and allows a bit of an outside ride feel. I use a Wahoo kickr and am looking forward to adding a kickr climb when they are released. All much needed as winter is deep and long where I live. I have also used Zwift with TrainerRoad in free ride. This way I can mix some varied rides on my endurance days and also tap into TrainerRoads awesome selection of structured workouts and plans.
Wahoo method of setting wattage seems superior (on Elemnts and Wahoo Fitness App) as you are able to change power by 1W, 10W and 100W in any given moment. Tacx apps are not to shabby though. I used them couple of times during Zwift off-season and they did their job (especially Tacx Cycling App for tablet is quite cool). Too bad heart rate controlling mode works so slowly. If they'll fine tune it it could be viable option for recovery or low intensity workouts.
Great comment Shane " a bit of fun on your trainer instead of a slave to watts" sometimes it's nice to relax on a trainer enjoy a film or read instead of watts, watts, watts, try it!!!
Shane Miller - GPLama love your channel, it is the only place I can get consistent updates on new trainer and cycling computer technology updates on TH-cam that is of good quality. Kudos!! Question for you, being an original kickr owner, how long do you think it will take for the industry to get to a point where upgrading a smart trainer will be practical? Thanks!
I’m curious if I can use Zwift with Tacx Neo 2T and record power from my power pedals on my Edge 530? I’d like to do this so I can gauge my effort when I use only power pedals outdoors. Is that an easy setup?
Great tip Shane! wondering if a garmin computer can be used to control the trainer via ant +, while bluetooth can run zwift? currently running zwift solely on a Mac and iPhone.
Garmin now own Tacx but any rides done in Zwift using a Tacx Trainer or any other make for that matter no longer count towards Garmin Connect Challenge Badges because the data going into Garmin Connect is not from a Garmin device. However, if you use a Garmin Headset to collect the data your ride will count. My question is can you use a Garmin Headset whilst Zwifting and would the data match or would Zwift’s in game algorithms that cater for elevation etc mean metrics such as speed and distance be out of sync with your headset? If it is possible to do; it would mean Garmin Challenge Badges and Zwift progress can happen together. (It used to like this but Garmin closed the ‘software loophole’ that allowed it)
Damn...wish I watched this a couple weeks ago. I missed out on 5k meters of climbing on zwift for the Tron bike. I switched to Rouvy for a 5k climbing challenge. Ugh. Lol
Liam Sangaku I do this today on my PC but you’ll need 2 USB ANT+ dongles and as Shane mentioned, Trainer Road will be the only app that pairs/controls the trainer for your workout.
Between the two companies? Highly unlikely based on the comments made by both sides. As for what you can do at home, this configuration is very possible.
Will definitely need to give this a try next workout! Are you aware of any training app (tacx or otherwise) that combines modes? Like slope mode + power mode or maybe slope + HR? Or something along those lines. That would be a lot of fun to play with and design some gnarly workouts around
First up, awesome content, and thanks for all the replies you have given here and Twitter. Just wanted to ask, when you use TTU and have Zwift running, at the end of the ride, does Zwift still send data to Garmin / Strava etc. So could you for example hit a power goal on Strava, using TTU on Zwift in ERG ? Cheers dude, keep up the amazing work.
I would like to use my polar vantage v via BT as a passive device, and my tablet with tacx or zwift app as an active device on Tacx Flux S. Is it possible? Thank you in advance.
@@gplama thank you. I will be free to extend my questin in general. Is it possible that tacx app use ant+ instead of BT. Thank you a lot. You are doing excellent job.👍
You need to do this if use Bluetooth in other apps. Apparently there is (was?) no way to set the rider weight within Bluetooth... or apps like Zwift didn't set it.
I’d love to use trading peaks interval sessions connected to my Wahoo kicker via erg mode but watch myself on Zwift, however where I do my indoor training doesn’t have WiFi signal so I can’t connect to zwift via ant. I have to connect to all my train8ng app options (zwift, training peaks and full gas) via the iOS app. Any suggestions
@@gplama Thanks Shane for your answer. Just a clarification, I have to connect Zwift via ant + and Trainer Road via bluetooth, right? Or can they both be connected via ant +?
Hey Lama... This question although not directly related to using multiple applications indoors is related. A few days ago I completed a ride ( still trying to beat some of your strava live times set on the paths running along the kwinana fwy here in Perth). I decided I'd run two apps on the iPhone at once - strava and wahoo fitness apps - both using the same biometric sensors, the iPhone providing speed and distance, a stagespower providing both power and cadence and a wahoo heart rate monitor. Interestingly enough once both rides were uploaded to strava the data was quite different for things such max power, speed and cadence ( all independent of the various apps auto pause function). Does strava in some way filter the data before uploading? I'm yet to do a three way comparison with the two apps on the iPhone and the data collected from the stages dash to determine which one is closer... But I thought I'd ask if you have noticed this yourself or can provide any further explanation. Thanks
Maybe. I haven't used phone apps a lot in place of a dedicated head unit. The one ride I did comparing the iPhone Strava app to a head unit was over there in Perth actually. I believe the Strava App ignores the barometric sensor on the iPhone. The rest, in theory should be the same.... give or take a few % maybe for each doing their own thing with auto-pause (or even detecting movement to start recording), smoothing, etc. Short answer: no idea. :)
Hi Shane, In the gradient mode does it feel like real 4%. It would be nice to ride the real gradient as opposed to a simulated gradient in Zwift. I ride a few of TACX RLV videos and the gradient does simulate the real thing (approx). As you say once you pay for Zwift you also want to get the bonuses within the game. So if I want to train a real 10km 7% incline in Zwift we could use these settings. Cool ;-)
Nothing really 'feels' like a hill. There's no momentum, no balance, no acceleration, decelerations, all things that make hills... well, hills. The Climb helps for sure. There's resistance, yep. It's good training, sure. As for the specifics of 10% being 10%.... I'm not sold. I need more data.
using the Qubo Elite B= Digital trainer. Could you use an Edge 520 with a Garmin downloaded workout, to control the trainer and still view on zwift? Basically swapping your phone for the Edge520.
I've done a video on exactly what ERG mode is. As for when it's best to use it - that's a can of worms and something a good coach can answer based on your training history, goals, etc. That can be expensive advice, but it will be better than free comments from people who haven't reviewed your specific goals/details/adaptation history/etc.
You can go the reverse combo: BLE to Apple TV (power only, no controllable trainer), then ANT+ to the mobile device (might need an ANT+ dongle/adapter if no ANT+ on your phone).
Bluetooth Smart HR straps will only connect to a single device. Some HR straps are dual Bluetooth/ANT+, so using the ANT+ broadcast you can collect data from it on many head units.
Shane Miller - GPLama makes sense, I use the Polar H7 and was wondering why the gym treadmill picks up the signal without pairing, just checked and turns out it has another system on top called “gym connect”.
Shane is it possible to cross over trainer/apps to mix brands? Given that Zwift can control all the smart trainers on the market I wonder if there's either a standard protocol between them or Zwift recognises the requirements of each brand? If the former case it should be possible to control a KickR for example with a Tacx app and visa versa.
Ah ok, same same no different. .... Little different. Have you tried crossing over apps with different smart trainers? Could be an interesting way to take advantage of some functions, like that HR/Ergo function, that isn't available on other manufacturer's apps.
Agreed. Thanks for that. BTW Great to see how many people are recognising just what a great job you're doing with the videos. 50K subs coming up soon! :)
Shane, this video saved me from implementing BLE pass-through in my BeatBiker app so folks could use it to Zwift with music workouts. Basically the intensity of the music controls the trainer resistance, if that makes sense. Anyhow, I really wanted to support the the trainers that don't already do multi-connect and I think the Ant+BLE approach you describe will do quite nicely. I'll be linking your video in the instructions, if that's OK.
Thanks! James.
Awesome James! Thanks for the SuperThanks!
This is very good information since staying disciplined towards a sessions training goal is sooo hard on Zwift :) If your a group leader this is gold since all your attention can go to communication&observation towards keeping the group together.
Congrats Shane this channel has definitely stepped up a level or 2
Cheers Paul. I'm sure to bring it back down a few levels soon. ;)
Channel is excellent, Shane. Keep up the great work :) Now I just need to get myself a decent bike...and one of these trainer/Zwift thingy-me-jiggies...
Agreed. Very well done Shane.
Hi Shane, What a gem of info. I have a date with my app and trainer tonight!
Hi Mate, This worked a charm last night. Adds another dimension to Zwifting. I appreciate you sharing your knowledge :)
Really interesting video, keep them coming Shane. Great work 👍🏻
Brilliant! Going to try that out on today’s Zwift ride
Brilliant!! Love the on screen animations..
I use Fulgaz with TrainerRoad in a free ride workout. This gives some variety to workouts and allows a bit of an outside ride feel. I use a Wahoo kickr and am looking forward to adding a kickr climb when they are released. All much needed as winter is deep and long where I live. I have also used Zwift with TrainerRoad in free ride. This way I can mix some varied rides on my endurance days and also tap into TrainerRoads awesome selection of structured workouts and plans.
perfect.. I can finally use my tacx neo how I want to.
Very clever Shane, will try this!
So useful video. Thank you so much Shane .
Wahoo method of setting wattage seems superior (on Elemnts and Wahoo Fitness App) as you are able to change power by 1W, 10W and 100W in any given moment. Tacx apps are not to shabby though. I used them couple of times during Zwift off-season and they did their job (especially Tacx Cycling App for tablet is quite cool). Too bad heart rate controlling mode works so slowly. If they'll fine tune it it could be viable option for recovery or low intensity workouts.
Going to try this tomorrow - thanks!
Stacking them front wheel risers!!
Great comment Shane " a bit of fun on your trainer instead of a slave to watts" sometimes it's nice to relax on a trainer enjoy a film or read instead of watts, watts, watts, try it!!!
Thanks Shane for another interesting video. Keep up the great work, loving your content. Guess I'm going to brake down and get an ANT+ dongle
Shane Miller - GPLama love your channel, it is the only place I can get consistent updates on new trainer and cycling computer technology updates on TH-cam that is of good quality. Kudos!! Question for you, being an original kickr owner, how long do you think it will take for the industry to get to a point where upgrading a smart trainer will be practical? Thanks!
Good stuff! Thanks Shane!
Great idea ! Will try it Tomorrow.
I’m curious if I can use Zwift with Tacx Neo 2T and record power from my power pedals on my Edge 530? I’d like to do this so I can gauge my effort when I use only power pedals outdoors. Is that an easy setup?
This is one of the most useful videos for me. I've also shared it with others. #ZwiftRiders
Great tip Shane! wondering if a garmin computer can be used to control the trainer via ant +, while bluetooth can run zwift? currently running zwift solely on a Mac and iPhone.
That should work as long as the Controllable Trainer isn't selected on the IOS device.
Garmin now own Tacx but any rides done in Zwift using a Tacx Trainer or any other make for that matter no longer count towards Garmin Connect Challenge Badges because the data going into Garmin Connect is not from a Garmin device.
However, if you use a Garmin Headset to collect the data your ride will count.
My question is can you use a Garmin Headset whilst Zwifting and would the data match or would Zwift’s in game algorithms that cater for elevation etc mean metrics such as speed and distance be out of sync with your headset?
If it is possible to do; it would mean Garmin Challenge Badges and Zwift progress can happen together.
(It used to like this but Garmin closed the ‘software loophole’ that allowed it)
Damn...wish I watched this a couple weeks ago. I missed out on 5k meters of climbing on zwift for the Tron bike. I switched to Rouvy for a 5k climbing challenge. Ugh. Lol
So could we ever see a Zwift and Trainer Road collaboration, where you are doing the Trainer Road workout but have the entertainment of Zwift?
Liam Sangaku I do this today on my PC but you’ll need 2 USB ANT+ dongles and as Shane mentioned, Trainer Road will be the only app that pairs/controls the trainer for your workout.
Between the two companies? Highly unlikely based on the comments made by both sides. As for what you can do at home, this configuration is very possible.
Next combo: Zwift + TrainerRoad!
Will definitely need to give this a try next workout! Are you aware of any training app (tacx or otherwise) that combines modes? Like slope mode + power mode or maybe slope + HR? Or something along those lines. That would be a lot of fun to play with and design some gnarly workouts around
Not that I know of. Workout mode is very primitive when it comes to smart trainer control.
Hola Shane, i got a kicker and my friends in Puerto Rico ride the Tacx app. can I use a kicker on that app? Having trouble finding the trainer.
Not sure. Best look at something like Zwift, FulGaz, TrainerRoad, Rouvy, or TrainerDay. They’ll support the Kickr.
what's your take on the tacx app recently? same or has it got better? or is trainer road a better option
Haven’t used it for a while sorry.
First up, awesome content, and thanks for all the replies you have given here and Twitter.
Just wanted to ask, when you use TTU and have Zwift running, at the end of the ride, does Zwift still send data to Garmin / Strava etc. So could you for example hit a power goal on Strava, using TTU on Zwift in ERG ?
Cheers dude, keep up the amazing work.
Zwift will sync the workout and all data up to whatever you've paired it with - Stava/Garmin Connect/Today's Plan, etc.
Shane Miller - GPLama excellent, thanks for that.
Is it possible to connect the Tacx Training App to a different trainer like the Wahoo Kickr Core or Kickr or Jammer H2?
That's one for Tacx Support. I don't believe they have support for non Tacx trainers. This could have changed.
@@gplama Thanks so much for the reply, Shane!
I would like to use my polar vantage v via BT as a passive device, and my tablet with tacx or zwift app as an active device on Tacx Flux S. Is it possible? Thank you in advance.
I'm not familiar with the Polar Vantage.
@@gplama thank you. I will be free to extend my questin in general. Is it possible that tacx app use ant+ instead of BT. Thank you a lot. You are doing excellent job.👍
Do you have to put your weight in the tax utility app. I think I seen a video that you did that in. Am I mistaken and why do you need to do that
You need to do this if use Bluetooth in other apps. Apparently there is (was?) no way to set the rider weight within Bluetooth... or apps like Zwift didn't set it.
I’d love to use trading peaks interval sessions connected to my Wahoo kicker via erg mode but watch myself on Zwift, however where I do my indoor training doesn’t have WiFi signal so I can’t connect to zwift via ant. I have to connect to all my train8ng app options (zwift, training peaks and full gas) via the iOS app. Any suggestions
how come you use riser blocks when using neo and the kickr?
Preference. The Neo is also a lot higher than level.
+Shane Miller - GPLama cheers Shane great vids as always 😁
Hi Shane. Great video. What brand and model of fans are you using ?
SunAir Turbo High Velocity something or others.
Hi Shane, how can I connect TrainerRoad to Zwift? I would like to follow some workouts on TrainerRoad and connect Zwift simultaneously. Thanks
Pair only a power meter and no 'controllable trainer' to Zwift. Then have TrainerRoad pair to the trainer for power and control.
@@gplama Thanks Shane for your answer. Just a clarification, I have to connect Zwift via ant + and Trainer Road via bluetooth, right? Or can they both be connected via ant +?
@@gianlucaierpi2258 Both via ANT+ will work.
@@gplama Thanks, very kind of you.
Hey Lama... This question although not directly related to using multiple applications indoors is related. A few days ago I completed a ride ( still trying to beat some of your strava live times set on the paths running along the kwinana fwy here in Perth). I decided I'd run two apps on the iPhone at once - strava and wahoo fitness apps - both using the same biometric sensors, the iPhone providing speed and distance, a stagespower providing both power and cadence and a wahoo heart rate monitor. Interestingly enough once both rides were uploaded to strava the data was quite different for things such max power, speed and cadence ( all independent of the various apps auto pause function). Does strava in some way filter the data before uploading? I'm yet to do a three way comparison with the two apps on the iPhone and the data collected from the stages dash to determine which one is closer... But I thought I'd ask if you have noticed this yourself or can provide any further explanation. Thanks
Maybe. I haven't used phone apps a lot in place of a dedicated head unit. The one ride I did comparing the iPhone Strava app to a head unit was over there in Perth actually. I believe the Strava App ignores the barometric sensor on the iPhone. The rest, in theory should be the same.... give or take a few % maybe for each doing their own thing with auto-pause (or even detecting movement to start recording), smoothing, etc. Short answer: no idea. :)
Shane Miller - GPLama thanks for your reply... Keep up the good work on news and reviews :)
Hi Shane, In the gradient mode does it feel like real 4%. It would be nice to ride the real gradient as opposed to a simulated gradient in Zwift. I ride a few of TACX RLV videos and the gradient does simulate the real thing (approx). As you say once you pay for Zwift you also want to get the bonuses within the game. So if I want to train a real 10km 7% incline in Zwift we could use these settings. Cool ;-)
Nothing really 'feels' like a hill. There's no momentum, no balance, no acceleration, decelerations, all things that make hills... well, hills. The Climb helps for sure. There's resistance, yep. It's good training, sure. As for the specifics of 10% being 10%.... I'm not sold. I need more data.
using the Qubo Elite B= Digital trainer.
Could you use an Edge 520 with a Garmin downloaded workout, to control the trainer and still view on zwift?
Basically swapping your phone for the Edge520.
Sure. The 520 has FE-C trainer control.
Sometimes i write train on garmin with zwift because zwift dont write 2sided power and has no statistics for that metric
Good video, Do we have a similar option for Wahoo kickr? I haven't used their app yet
Yep. With a few differences with their 'modes'. ERG, slope/level are there. I don't believe they have HR mode(s)
Could you make a video on when to use Erg mode and when not to?
I've done a video on exactly what ERG mode is. As for when it's best to use it - that's a can of worms and something a good coach can answer based on your training history, goals, etc. That can be expensive advice, but it will be better than free comments from people who haven't reviewed your specific goals/details/adaptation history/etc.
I guess if I'm using Apple TV this wouldn't be possible since I don't have ANT+...?
You can go the reverse combo: BLE to Apple TV (power only, no controllable trainer), then ANT+ to the mobile device (might need an ANT+ dongle/adapter if no ANT+ on your phone).
bluetooth heartrate straps do actually broadcast, don't they? Or how do you get HR on both platforms?
Bluetooth Smart HR straps will only connect to a single device. Some HR straps are dual Bluetooth/ANT+, so using the ANT+ broadcast you can collect data from it on many head units.
Shane Miller - GPLama makes sense, I use the Polar H7 and was wondering why the gym treadmill picks up the signal without pairing, just checked and turns out it has another system on top called “gym connect”.
Shane is it possible to cross over trainer/apps to mix brands? Given that Zwift can control all the smart trainers on the market I wonder if there's either a standard protocol between them or Zwift recognises the requirements of each brand? If the former case it should be possible to control a KickR for example with a Tacx app and visa versa.
In theory this is what ANT+ FE-C is meant to provide. Similar to FTMS over Bluetooth. In theory.... :)
Ah ok, same same no different. .... Little different.
Have you tried crossing over apps with different smart trainers? Could be an interesting way to take advantage of some functions, like that HR/Ergo function, that isn't available on other manufacturer's apps.
I haven't tried the Tacx app with anything else. It'd be something interesting to check out though.
Agreed. Thanks for that.
BTW Great to see how many people are recognising just what a great job you're doing with the videos. 50K subs coming up soon! :)
Hang on...so you could set the trainer to a flat gradient while still going up a hill on zwift...can people still take the KOM like this?
Zwift speed is purely w/kg. Power only. So you still have to to x/kg to get up the 'hill' in y seconds regardless of what the trainer is doing.
Can you do one for Cycleops?
Hey, Shane - I was told by another youtuber that you can't do this with an Elite Dorito. What say you?
Yes you can.
Can you do that same principle with trainer road?
Yep
how about zwift with ant+ and workout on bolt?
Sure. There's a number of combinations this can be used with.
Ant plus on an Android phone and zwift iOS??
Sure.
How the testing on Zwift with android ? S8 I would assume your one of the Beta testers
Nope. I'm in line like everyone else.
Zwift and The Sufferfest Shane? :)
Sure
Shane Miller - GPLama is that a, sure, you can do it, or, sure, I can do a video?
😁
Sure it's possible. It's not something I use. I have a few of their videos... non interactive though.
Gave up on Android already ?
Capturing the screen on IOS is two clicks and built in. If anyone can tell me how to do it on Android, I'm all ears.
Goodonyah
ERG
Just buy my dumb trainer and it’s easier to change the resistance by a lever ;). We are making a full circle.