more assets and the like ye that's nice but im really wondering if they got a little spin on the genre or if it's just a side thing they wanted to have fun with
I believe that invasions won't fit in the game. In the Souls games, u go through areas slowly, u aren't supposed to just run. Thus, a 10 min PvP encounter really doesn't change much. In Nightreign u have 10-15 min to explore. Most enemies will be mown down. PC gamer confimed the above. Areas will be vertical but enemies will be mostly very easy. Unless they stop the circle or timer whatever, during an invasion, the game will be tedious, either killing an invader will be so worthless that people will just ignore them, or the loot from invaders will be so good that people will beg for them so they can quickly gank them. Both are unfun for the invader. However, a Standalone 3v3 mode will be insane. Imagine no healing, enclosed area 3v3, and get as many kills as u can in 15-20 min
Initially, I thought the aim of Nightreign was to become the Night Lord: as a party of three, you’d survive the three day cycle, defeat the final boss, then turn on each other for the throne. It sounds like a fun twist considering you’re all levelling up and building your characters only to then use them against each other. As disappointing as it is to not have PvP, I’m still excited for the game.🎉
I remember spending days just putting my sign down for jolly coop in all 3 Dark Souls games. I'm expecting that, but cut up into 30 minute chunks with roguelike progression and I can't be more hyped.
7:45 That reminds me of Miyazaki's statement that Elden Ring was THE big project that had everybody on every team come together onboard for. There is no A-team for Elden Ring because the Elden Ring team is just all of the teams put together. Because of this, I'd call Nightreign less of a B-team effort and more of a sub-team effort. Lots of teams worked on the game, and comes from a few of those many teams.
The only thing I’m actually frustrated about is that apparently there is no 2 player option, only 1 or 3 players. That feels like a strict mechanical downgrade from the previous games and it makes it much harder to organize sessions if you just have a significant other or one friend available in a regular basis. Otherwise this feels like a fine experiment for From and will probably have a positive impact for future games
Invasions were really cool in Demons Souls due to the way soul/body form worked with coop and created a full risk/reward strategy around the entire online system. Invasions weren't just a mode they added but a always present threat of the world that factored into what decisions you made. The farther they moved away from this, the more awkward and immersion breaking invasions feel. ER has so many restrictions on when you can and can't get invaded that it just feels like a weird hacky attempt to add PvP to a game that doesn't need it. I hope other devs just stay away from adding invasions into their games unless they can fully integrate them in a way that doesn't feel tacked-on.
and booth franchise are totally oudated. imagine what Monster Hunter franchise could be with monster taming and multiplayer elements. endless potential. they could be like Chimeraland
The change from solo to coop-tailored gameplay isn't the only big dynamic that will alter how this game will be balanced compared to Elden Ring. It is also the lack of PvP and the inclusion of premade characters. It sounds like their won't be PvP in which case the devs can get away with more things that would have been criminally stupid to include in a PvP game. Take for instance the fact that gravity is the biggest killer in every souls game, but this new game has a character with a built in grapple to pull enemies right to their face. But if I am wrong and their is PvP, the limited selection of premade characters would make the balancing of these whacky ideas more manageable. It is a breath of fresh air either way. I have also heard that these premade characters that we choose also have stories that carry over between runs. Playing in the role of a pre-written character in a Fromsoft game has not been explored very much outside of Sekiro. I would not be surprised if they later reveal that the playable characters are also fully voiced characters. There is more they can do with that idea than any of their other games. Playable characters could bark out what is happening in their surroundings to their teammates, or have two or three way conversations with the other playable characters at rarely triggered intervals.
It’s going to be repetitive, none of the rewards will carry over to Elden Ring, the community will be toxic and you’ll be killing enemies and bosses you’ve already defeated over and over before. No story, no exploration, no PvP, no longevity at all.
The crossplay thing was always a funny issue to me and I always thought it was due to PC players probably cheating on console players. It's clearly not the case but it's a fun thought-experiment to have. KoF XV, a much less popular game than Elden Ring, has crossplay; and back when it was released there were a few losers using hacks to play with Bosses in Ranked Online matches. The funny thing is that most of them would still manage to lose. You'd expect more cheaters to be in the scene if it's possible to hack the game like that, but there hasn't been since for 2 years. I guess it speaks to the kind of demographic Souls and Fighting games aim for: the fighting game community doesn't care about stupid bullshit like trolling with cheats, they're there to play and improve. The cheating tourists getting basically cock-blocked was the funniest thing I've ever seen. In Elden Ring on the other hand, you can't expect Kevin to deal with a stat-cheater or something like that. I always thought that was the reasoning behind no crossplay, but I'm starting to believe it's just Fromsoft incompetence.
I've always assumed it was a matter of crossplay being something that improves a secondary or tertiary aspect of the games, meaning it would have to be so far down on the list of priorities that, given how the games never come out 100% finished, make it unlikely for development consideration. I was just hopeful that with multiplayer at the forefront, it'd bump it as a priority. Maybe their general caution with PC is really the only obstacle. They aren't doing a network test on PC and they're clearly more comfortable developing for console, so it wouldn't surprise me.
It's not a FS thing, it's a Japanese developers thing in general, Rollback Netcode and Crossplay were only implemented in this new generation of fighting games after many FGC campaigns and guys like Maximilian Dood constantly repeating about the importance of these features in modern fighting games, what made them finally understand was the impact that Covid had on the FGC.
It's also worth noting that Sony holds like, 10% of shares of the company that owns FS too, it's not entirely out of the question that Sony has a hand in preventing crossplay whenever possible, since it only helps them going into the dying console platform exclusivity model.
I believe many people misunderstand the true essence of the Souls series in its past works. These games were not designed primarily for multiplayer gameplay. Instead, multiplayer in the Souls series is more about “helping others overcome challenges.” This is why I think the new direction for the upcoming title will be a great one.
The lack of crossplay and 3-player only multiplayer are by far my biggest gripes. It immediately destroyed much of my interest in it, since the friends I play with the most are stuck in Sony's exclusivity trappings. Meaning both he and I would be playing this alone or with random strangers, and that really, really sucks. After all this time of playing From's games, meeting each other in them, having to work out platform differences the whole way both for those games and the Monster Hunter series especially, now Monster Hunter has finally embraced crossplay, and Fromsoft refuses, in what really seems like a coop-based game. Its tremendously disappointing to lack such a basic feature as crossplay, especially when no pvp is even involved, which is usually the excuse.
Thanks Jon! I’m going to miss invasions in this title. The interest in co-op is exciting especially for their netcode. I fear for the lifespan of the game. I’m honored to give it every chance to impress and disappoint me
Prolly the same way you felt about Sekiro or AC6. It's a different type of game, but Fromsoft has a track record of making good things even outside the genre they're known for, so approach it with cautious optimism and if you don't like it it's not a super big deal.
Need more info before i pass my judgement but im more thinking "how long will this be fun" if you can't make builds and have a set amount of bosses/areas
I agree invasion has no place/won't work in the scenario that as of now is presented in Nightreign. In my mind if they do go for a PVP option (which I definitely hope for). It should be a 3v3 where both teams go to farm/collect and try to beat the nightlord and bosses and other prominent places are becoming points of contention and the first and second night bosses offer a bonus for the party that claims it. I probably missed/overlooked some aspects of the game but I think this would create an interesting dynamic.
I’m disappointed in the cross play situation because I’ve been trying to get some of my friends into Souls. They play a variety of games, including Fortnite and Warzone so this would have been a potential genre crossover that might get them interested in the rest of the FromSoft catalogue
Its literally gonna be basically elden ring remnant which im totally down for. This game shouldnt be held to the same standard as the base game its a spin off treat the devs were nice enough to bless us with while we wait for the next big game
I love the big co op emphasis they are going with on the game but I despise that it's a rougelike rather than an RPG and the lack of custom characters is a gigantic downside for me.
I'm really disappointed there's minimal build customisation and the lack of PvP, especially after ER dropped the ball (I still liked it more than DS3's dreadful PvP) sucks arse but the premise seems pretty cool so I'm probably still gonna buy and enjoy it
I hate invasions and I am glad that will not be in Nightreign. I am not a big pvper, but I can occasionally enjoy some dueling for fun. They might decide to add an arena/colosseum update where 3v3 or 3v3v3 may be possible. I also agree that the lack of crossplay is very strange.
I was only mostly dissapointed by the nightreign reveal because it's banking on the elden ring IP (and therefore got my hopes up for more lore), and i was expecting more armored core next (which still might happen next year due to steamDB data)
I think we're ultimately still gonna get good lore that recontextualizes at least some stuff in the base game. I know that its a parallel dimension but that doesnt necessarily mean that everything in it is non-canon.
@@UncreativePontiff GRR martin was not involved in it and michaelzaki's only involvement was a bit of initial stuff and greenlighting it. plus they're bringing back dark souls bosses so if it is cannon, that means all universes are connected which miyazaki said isnt true.
Nightraign feels like a slap in the face in the most disrespectful way possible. We were told they were closing doors of Elden Ring, so no major changes and improvements (particularly for multiplayer) and no new content (we really should get another DLC to close things up in a better way, SotE was lacking). Instead we get rouge like slop, ER spinoff nobody was asking for, in spite of previous announcement. Thank you Michael Zaki, very cool.
New directors, new teams, new visions, etc., are always good. Let them pursue and express all their differing dreams. The exclusion of 2-player balance is mind-boggling, however. It's as if they don't understand the appeal of playing a game with one (1) friend, which is a basic experiences of friends who play video games since Tetris. I assume it's a cash-grab more than anything and it'll live out its life cycle fairly quickly. If not, nice. But I'll wait for something more RPG.
You nailed both my issues. Souls brand pvp and invasions, especially classically being invaded when solo, as well as a dedicated character editor and tons of gear to acquire and build with. I feel like this is the wrong direction.
I just think it's super stupid that a multiplayer focused game where the main point is that every match is different, DOESN'T have invasions... tf as for the game in general, I'm very optimistic and super excited to play
First off, we should just play the game (or watch gameplay/reviews) and decide then. Second, from everything I've seen so far, it appears to be a roguelike akin to Risk of Rain. It should probably be compared more to games like those, not Souls titles. That pretty much ends the PvP and RPG element conversations outright. If you _only_ want games with those features, then this and a whole, whole lot of other games are simply not made for you. This game is going to be _fundamentally_ different from Souls, except that it might share some basic control scheme and camera perspective qualities, and of course use From assets. We should all know this. It's been talked about extensively in at least one interview with the director. This game is not a "new direction for the souls genre" so to speak - it is a take on a different, existing genre using elements From has built up over years. If there's an answer to the question in this video's title, it's that we should expect something wholly different from Souls in terms of pace, direction, and game mechanics (because that's literally known information at this point).
Sekiro - no pvp ~> one of the most beloved from soft games / Bloodborne - worst pvp ~ one of the most beloved from soft games both games are rather experimental let them cook, experiment and evolve the souls formula "oh no! no pvp! overdramatic dying" ~literally less than 2% of all players enjoying pvp.. pvp was never the strongest point of any fromsoft game, at best DS3 fight clubs. We will get another game with pvp ~be patient and stop seeking controversy.
Literally ds1to ds3 had covenants soley for pvp i cant stand u new elden ring players man yall scared of going against one invader😂elden ring literally made pvp easier for yall and pve gets boring when u overpowered thats when the invader comes in makes stuff way more interesting
No PvP is tragic. Set characters too… character customization was always a big motivator for me to want to play PvE in past Souls games… This new game might not be for me. That’s ok I guess.
People are loosing their heads too much with this imo. Is what it is: A low budget game which usses reused/remixed assets from other games to make something out of what FromSoftware often does, while the main devs are working on something with higher budget. No, Fromsoftware didn't fell off, this is something they did a lot on AC era, do low budget experienents and fun twist, and if they gain experience and there is a good mechanic they can apply to the following games, amazing, if it fails, well what what can we do.
Any and all hope of good multiplayer died with ER. It was already depressing in DS3, but this is it. Ffs, Nightreign is a glorified mod that they charge 40$ for, I don‘t care if it‘s an experiment by another dev, Fromsoftware has greenlit this crap, shamelessly. The escalation of special moves in the past games is staggering, it has gone so far that the new Trailer is unrecognizable to a Souls genre game, It‘s just anime-rot flying around the place and striking dramatic poses, wth is this? ER can try to emulate DS2 as much as it wants, it‘s missing the mark on so many lvls that it does not matter. I genuinely feel like they are incapable of making a grounded game with slower pace anymore, the only thing they produce from now on is over-the-top dragon ball shjt for an audience with adhd. "Trust in miyazaki" is just the mantra of the new zoomer audience heralded by washed up SoulsTubers desperate for relevance.
that's one angry future customer. how much can the announcment of a new video game negatively affect your life? idont think your job or anything for that matter depens on from so where is this coming from? plenty of other things to sir
@ I advise you to actually read. Most of the old guard SoulsTubers either quit or have become clickbaiting shills since their channels depend on it. I preordered ER just before release cus I had hopes for it back then. Not anymore, "future custumor" ain‘t me.
The combat has never been more refined. I could take or leave the anime stuff but Margit alone is a better boss in terms of gameplay than basically every boss in DS1, 2, and many in 3.
@zawarudo8991 You like the slow pace of DS1? That game sucked. Demon Souls and DS2 were better in every way. "The REAL Fromsoft fans are the ones who only like the games that I like." This is why nobody likes the "old Fromsoft fans," these asses act like a cult. Or medieval Christians. lol I don't wanna hear the phase "anime-rot" from someone who's username is an anime reference.
I personally think it’s absolutely laziness the developers knows how popular Elden Ring was and instead of going back to the drawing board for Elden Ring 2. They said to themselves how can we make a shit ton of money now we’ll just tweak a few things in Elden Ring and release the cut content and call a different name
At worst, we lose nothing. At best, we get better netcode and new mechanics to use in new games
Didn't you hear? Every game made that doesn't appeal to you is a loss for you personally. Quit being so reasonable! /s
This comment is far too reasonable for youtube
more assets and the like ye that's nice but im really wondering if they got a little spin on the genre or if it's just a side thing they wanted to have fun with
You'd lose $40 if the experience isn't as ideal as you originally percieved it.
@@TheTraveler980 you have spent 40 bucks on worse things i guarantee
I believe that invasions won't fit in the game. In the Souls games, u go through areas slowly, u aren't supposed to just run.
Thus, a 10 min PvP encounter really doesn't change much.
In Nightreign u have 10-15 min to explore. Most enemies will be mown down. PC gamer confimed the above. Areas will be vertical but enemies will be mostly very easy.
Unless they stop the circle or timer whatever, during an invasion, the game will be tedious, either killing an invader will be so worthless that people will just ignore them, or the loot from invaders will be so good that people will beg for them so they can quickly gank them. Both are unfun for the invader.
However, a Standalone 3v3 mode will be insane. Imagine no healing, enclosed area 3v3, and get as many kills as u can in 15-20 min
Not having 2 players option is brain-dead, no excuses if there is solo. And would be better to just go up to 4 players.
Initially, I thought the aim of Nightreign was to become the Night Lord: as a party of three, you’d survive the three day cycle, defeat the final boss, then turn on each other for the throne.
It sounds like a fun twist considering you’re all levelling up and building your characters only to then use them against each other.
As disappointing as it is to not have PvP, I’m still excited for the game.🎉
I really hope they do another spin off game that’s multiplayer focused.
A for honor/ chivalry type game in the elden ring universe
i could fwt
Or they could just expand upon this game and add more game modes and hero’s.
I remember spending days just putting my sign down for jolly coop in all 3 Dark Souls games. I'm expecting that, but cut up into 30 minute chunks with roguelike progression and I can't be more hyped.
Me and the boys play RoR2 and we are so gonna have a blast with Nightreign
Ack ack ack ack 🦭👏
7:45 That reminds me of Miyazaki's statement that Elden Ring was THE big project that had everybody on every team come together onboard for. There is no A-team for Elden Ring because the Elden Ring team is just all of the teams put together.
Because of this, I'd call Nightreign less of a B-team effort and more of a sub-team effort. Lots of teams worked on the game, and comes from a few of those many teams.
The only thing I’m actually frustrated about is that apparently there is no 2 player option, only 1 or 3 players. That feels like a strict mechanical downgrade from the previous games and it makes it much harder to organize sessions if you just have a significant other or one friend available in a regular basis. Otherwise this feels like a fine experiment for From and will probably have a positive impact for future games
That sounds like a mistranslation. Like it's just plain weird sounding.
It would be my dream to get a pvp soulslike game with great customization.
the closest thing to an Elden Ring battle royale is Naraka, which I wholeheartedly recommend btw
I think it might be for the best to stray away from PvP... I also can't imagine Monster Hunter adding PvP at all.
Hunt: Showdown lol
@luke_of_astora Funny guy here. 😏
This isn’t monster hunter even in the slightest. No clue why people think that. It’s gonna have souls combat but it’s gonna play like risk of rain 2.
Invasions were really cool in Demons Souls due to the way soul/body form worked with coop and created a full risk/reward strategy around the entire online system. Invasions weren't just a mode they added but a always present threat of the world that factored into what decisions you made.
The farther they moved away from this, the more awkward and immersion breaking invasions feel. ER has so many restrictions on when you can and can't get invaded that it just feels like a weird hacky attempt to add PvP to a game that doesn't need it.
I hope other devs just stay away from adding invasions into their games unless they can fully integrate them in a way that doesn't feel tacked-on.
and booth franchise are totally oudated. imagine what Monster Hunter franchise could be with monster taming and multiplayer elements. endless potential. they could be like Chimeraland
Hopefully this successful and next time we get a pvp focused experience
The change from solo to coop-tailored gameplay isn't the only big dynamic that will alter how this game will be balanced compared to Elden Ring. It is also the lack of PvP and the inclusion of premade characters.
It sounds like their won't be PvP in which case the devs can get away with more things that would have been criminally stupid to include in a PvP game. Take for instance the fact that gravity is the biggest killer in every souls game, but this new game has a character with a built in grapple to pull enemies right to their face. But if I am wrong and their is PvP, the limited selection of premade characters would make the balancing of these whacky ideas more manageable. It is a breath of fresh air either way.
I have also heard that these premade characters that we choose also have stories that carry over between runs. Playing in the role of a pre-written character in a Fromsoft game has not been explored very much outside of Sekiro. I would not be surprised if they later reveal that the playable characters are also fully voiced characters. There is more they can do with that idea than any of their other games. Playable characters could bark out what is happening in their surroundings to their teammates, or have two or three way conversations with the other playable characters at rarely triggered intervals.
It’s going to be repetitive, none of the rewards will carry over to Elden Ring, the community will be toxic and you’ll be killing enemies and bosses you’ve already defeated over and over before.
No story, no exploration, no PvP, no longevity at all.
4:12 w host
The crossplay thing was always a funny issue to me and I always thought it was due to PC players probably cheating on console players. It's clearly not the case but it's a fun thought-experiment to have. KoF XV, a much less popular game than Elden Ring, has crossplay; and back when it was released there were a few losers using hacks to play with Bosses in Ranked Online matches. The funny thing is that most of them would still manage to lose. You'd expect more cheaters to be in the scene if it's possible to hack the game like that, but there hasn't been since for 2 years. I guess it speaks to the kind of demographic Souls and Fighting games aim for: the fighting game community doesn't care about stupid bullshit like trolling with cheats, they're there to play and improve. The cheating tourists getting basically cock-blocked was the funniest thing I've ever seen.
In Elden Ring on the other hand, you can't expect Kevin to deal with a stat-cheater or something like that. I always thought that was the reasoning behind no crossplay, but I'm starting to believe it's just Fromsoft incompetence.
I've always assumed it was a matter of crossplay being something that improves a secondary or tertiary aspect of the games, meaning it would have to be so far down on the list of priorities that, given how the games never come out 100% finished, make it unlikely for development consideration.
I was just hopeful that with multiplayer at the forefront, it'd bump it as a priority.
Maybe their general caution with PC is really the only obstacle. They aren't doing a network test on PC and they're clearly more comfortable developing for console, so it wouldn't surprise me.
It's not a FS thing, it's a Japanese developers thing in general, Rollback Netcode and Crossplay were only implemented in this new generation of fighting games after many FGC campaigns and guys like Maximilian Dood constantly repeating about the importance of these features in modern fighting games, what made them finally understand was the impact that Covid had on the FGC.
It's also worth noting that Sony holds like, 10% of shares of the company that owns FS too, it's not entirely out of the question that Sony has a hand in preventing crossplay whenever possible, since it only helps them going into the dying console platform exclusivity model.
Sony has an issue with cross play. They're the ones holding it back.
I believe many people misunderstand the true essence of the Souls series in its past works. These games were not designed primarily for multiplayer gameplay. Instead, multiplayer in the Souls series is more about “helping others overcome challenges.” This is why I think the new direction for the upcoming title will be a great one.
The lack of crossplay and 3-player only multiplayer are by far my biggest gripes. It immediately destroyed much of my interest in it, since the friends I play with the most are stuck in Sony's exclusivity trappings. Meaning both he and I would be playing this alone or with random strangers, and that really, really sucks. After all this time of playing From's games, meeting each other in them, having to work out platform differences the whole way both for those games and the Monster Hunter series especially, now Monster Hunter has finally embraced crossplay, and Fromsoft refuses, in what really seems like a coop-based game. Its tremendously disappointing to lack such a basic feature as crossplay, especially when no pvp is even involved, which is usually the excuse.
Thanks Jon! I’m going to miss invasions in this title. The interest in co-op is exciting especially for their netcode. I fear for the lifespan of the game. I’m honored to give it every chance to impress and disappoint me
Prolly the same way you felt about Sekiro or AC6.
It's a different type of game, but Fromsoft has a track record of making good things even outside the genre they're known for, so approach it with cautious optimism and if you don't like it it's not a super big deal.
Need more info before i pass my judgement but im more thinking "how long will this be fun" if you can't make builds and have a set amount of bosses/areas
reminds of TLOU2 No Return mode which i enjoyed but it is definitely a departure from base elden ring. rlly interesting, will have to see gameplay
I agree invasion has no place/won't work in the scenario that as of now is presented in Nightreign.
In my mind if they do go for a PVP option (which I definitely hope for).
It should be a 3v3 where both teams go to farm/collect and try to beat the nightlord
and bosses and other prominent places are becoming points of contention and the first and second night bosses offer a bonus for the party that claims it.
I probably missed/overlooked some aspects of the game but I think this would create an interesting dynamic.
I’m disappointed in the cross play situation because I’ve been trying to get some of my friends into Souls. They play a variety of games, including Fortnite and Warzone so this would have been a potential genre crossover that might get them interested in the rest of the FromSoft catalogue
Its literally gonna be basically elden ring remnant which im totally down for. This game shouldnt be held to the same standard as the base game its a spin off treat the devs were nice enough to bless us with while we wait for the next big game
Or Bandai cashing in on the elden ring hype, we'll see.
I love the big co op emphasis they are going with on the game but I despise that it's a rougelike rather than an RPG and the lack of custom characters is a gigantic downside for me.
I'm not very interested, but this isn't really a loss either. I prefer the souls ecosystem
I'm really disappointed there's minimal build customisation and the lack of PvP, especially after ER dropped the ball (I still liked it more than DS3's dreadful PvP) sucks arse but the premise seems pretty cool so I'm probably still gonna buy and enjoy it
Making an RPG with heavy RPG mechanics into a coop rouge like is such a cash grab you have to be delusional not to see it
I feel the same way ; no pvp, no customization, but I'll play it still because it's 40$
The no character customization/personal builds is a huge deal breaker for me.
No pvp no weapon progression = deal breaker
Would have been cool if they got creative with pvp. Like player being a boss at the end of the day.
Pro tip: you dont have to buy the game! You wont be missed
I hate invasions and I am glad that will not be in Nightreign. I am not a big pvper, but I can occasionally enjoy some dueling for fun. They might decide to add an arena/colosseum update where 3v3 or 3v3v3 may be possible. I also agree that the lack of crossplay is very strange.
I was only mostly dissapointed by the nightreign reveal because it's banking on the elden ring IP (and therefore got my hopes up for more lore), and i was expecting more armored core next (which still might happen next year due to steamDB data)
I think we're ultimately still gonna get good lore that recontextualizes at least some stuff in the base game. I know that its a parallel dimension but that doesnt necessarily mean that everything in it is non-canon.
@@UncreativePontiff GRR martin was not involved in it and michaelzaki's only involvement was a bit of initial stuff and greenlighting it. plus they're bringing back dark souls bosses so if it is cannon, that means all universes are connected which miyazaki said isnt true.
Nightraign feels like a slap in the face in the most disrespectful way possible.
We were told they were closing doors of Elden Ring, so no major changes and improvements (particularly for multiplayer) and no new content (we really should get another DLC to close things up in a better way, SotE was lacking).
Instead we get rouge like slop, ER spinoff nobody was asking for, in spite of previous announcement.
Thank you Michael Zaki, very cool.
ok guy who has thoughts im listening.
New directors, new teams, new visions, etc., are always good. Let them pursue and express all their differing dreams. The exclusion of 2-player balance is mind-boggling, however. It's as if they don't understand the appeal of playing a game with one (1) friend, which is a basic experiences of friends who play video games since Tetris. I assume it's a cash-grab more than anything and it'll live out its life cycle fairly quickly. If not, nice. But I'll wait for something more RPG.
nice
You nailed both my issues. Souls brand pvp and invasions, especially classically being invaded when solo, as well as a dedicated character editor and tons of gear to acquire and build with. I feel like this is the wrong direction.
not every game has to be the same
Well, I feel like this is the right direction.
I just think it's super stupid that a multiplayer focused game where the main point is that every match is different, DOESN'T have invasions... tf
as for the game in general, I'm very optimistic and super excited to play
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First off, we should just play the game (or watch gameplay/reviews) and decide then.
Second, from everything I've seen so far, it appears to be a roguelike akin to Risk of Rain. It should probably be compared more to games like those, not Souls titles. That pretty much ends the PvP and RPG element conversations outright. If you _only_ want games with those features, then this and a whole, whole lot of other games are simply not made for you.
This game is going to be _fundamentally_ different from Souls, except that it might share some basic control scheme and camera perspective qualities, and of course use From assets. We should all know this. It's been talked about extensively in at least one interview with the director. This game is not a "new direction for the souls genre" so to speak - it is a take on a different, existing genre using elements From has built up over years.
If there's an answer to the question in this video's title, it's that we should expect something wholly different from Souls in terms of pace, direction, and game mechanics (because that's literally known information at this point).
"Soul crushing" lol y'all TH-camrs are so dramatic
Sekiro - no pvp ~> one of the most beloved from soft games / Bloodborne - worst pvp ~ one of the most beloved from soft games
both games are rather experimental
let them cook, experiment and evolve the souls formula
"oh no! no pvp! overdramatic dying" ~literally less than 2% of all players enjoying pvp..
pvp was never the strongest point of any fromsoft game, at best DS3 fight clubs.
We will get another game with pvp ~be patient and stop seeking controversy.
Literally ds1to ds3 had covenants soley for pvp i cant stand u new elden ring players man yall scared of going against one invader😂elden ring literally made pvp easier for yall and pve gets boring when u overpowered thats when the invader comes in makes stuff way more interesting
Haha yeah man less than 2% (where tf did you get this number)....
Dude you dont know how to say Hello in Elden Ring? -rep u have low honor
Incoming horrid
Nightreign is Not a day one purchase for me. Lets send a message and not preorder this.
Nah speak for yourself. This game is heaven sent
Send the message yourself don't count on me
@@MK-vi2cm you earn the slop you help create
@sarez6767 No. I can't do it without you. JOIN ME
@@MK-vi2cm No. I speak for you. you MUST wait 2 days after it comes out and only then are you allowed to purchase it.
No pvp, no purchase.
You should be excited because they're experimenting. Anyone who dooms over this is getting hit by hard gamer rage bait
No PvP is tragic. Set characters too… character customization was always a big motivator for me to want to play PvE in past Souls games… This new game might not be for me. That’s ok I guess.
People are loosing their heads too much with this imo. Is what it is: A low budget game which usses reused/remixed assets from other games to make something out of what FromSoftware often does, while the main devs are working on something with higher budget.
No, Fromsoftware didn't fell off, this is something they did a lot on AC era, do low budget experienents and fun twist, and if they gain experience and there is a good mechanic they can apply to the following games, amazing, if it fails, well what what can we do.
Any and all hope of good multiplayer died with ER.
It was already depressing in DS3, but this is it.
Ffs, Nightreign is a glorified mod that they charge 40$ for, I don‘t care if it‘s an experiment by another dev, Fromsoftware has greenlit this crap, shamelessly.
The escalation of special moves in the past games is staggering, it has gone so far that the new Trailer is unrecognizable to a Souls genre game, It‘s just anime-rot flying around the place and striking dramatic poses, wth is this?
ER can try to emulate DS2 as much as it wants, it‘s missing the mark on so many lvls that it does not matter.
I genuinely feel like they are incapable of making a grounded game with slower pace anymore, the only thing they produce from now on is over-the-top dragon ball shjt for an audience with adhd.
"Trust in miyazaki" is just the mantra of the new zoomer audience heralded by washed up SoulsTubers desperate for relevance.
that's one angry future customer. how much can the announcment of a new video game negatively affect your life? idont think your job or anything for that matter depens on from so where is this coming from? plenty of other things to sir
@ I advise you to actually read.
Most of the old guard SoulsTubers either quit or have become clickbaiting shills since their channels depend on it.
I preordered ER just before release cus I had hopes for it back then.
Not anymore, "future custumor" ain‘t me.
The combat has never been more refined. I could take or leave the anime stuff but Margit alone is a better boss in terms of gameplay than basically every boss in DS1, 2, and many in 3.
@zawarudo8991
You like the slow pace of DS1? That game sucked. Demon Souls and DS2 were better in every way.
"The REAL Fromsoft fans are the ones who only like the games that I like." This is why nobody likes the "old Fromsoft fans," these asses act like a cult. Or medieval Christians. lol
I don't wanna hear the phase "anime-rot" from someone who's username is an anime reference.
@ I like coffee, I like steak, does that mean I wanna drench my food in coffee?
If you can‘t see the problem, then that‘s because you‘re part of it.
Don’t like it don’t buy it it’s no big deal
Elden ring isn't a souls game...
lmao
lmao
What?
I personally think it’s absolutely laziness the developers knows how popular Elden Ring was and instead of going back to the drawing board for Elden Ring 2. They said to themselves how can we make a shit ton of money now we’ll just tweak a few things in Elden Ring and release the cut content and call a different name
If it’s anything like shadow of the turdtree we’ll all be severely disappointed, it looks and sounds like total dogshit