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- The peopling of the Americas is one of the longest-running professional arguments in the history of Archaeology. So when did people first settle the Americas?
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References:
1 Waters and Stafford (2014) Ch31 in Paleoamerican Odyssey
2 Waters and Stafford (2007) Redefining the Age of Clovis: Implications for the Peopling of the Americas
3 Meltzer (1993) CH3 in Search for the First Americans
4 Martin (1967) Prehistoric Overkill in Pleistocene Extinctions: The Search for a Cause
5 Meltzer (1993) CH5 Who were the First Americans? In Search for the First Americans
6 Meltzer (1993) CH4 Finding the Traces in Search for the First Americans
7 Mary Leakey (1984) CH11 The Partnership Breaks Down in Disclosing the Past
8 Erlandson, Braje & Graham (2008) How Old is MVII? - Seaweeds, Shorelines, and the Pre-Clovis Chronology at Monte Verde, Chile.
9 Fladmark (1979) Routes: Alternate Migration Corridors for Early Man in North America
10 Erlandson et al. (2007) The Kelp Highway Hypothesis: Marine Ecology, The Coastal Migration Theory, and the Peopling of the Americas
11 Ardelean et al. (2020) Evidence of Human Occupation in Mexico Around the Last Glacial Maximum
12 Chatters et al. (2021) Evaluating Claims of Early Human Occupation at Chiquihuite Cave, Mexico.
13 Ardelean et al. (2021) Chiquihuite Cave and America’s Hidden Limestone Industries: A Reply to Chatters et al.
14 Bennett et al. (2021) Evidence for Humans in North America During the Last Glacial Maximum
15 Holen et al.(2017) A 130,000-Year-Old Archaeological Site in Southern California, USA
16 Haynes (2017) The Cerutti Mastodon
17 Steeves (2015) Decolonizing Indigenous Histories, Pleistocene and Archaeology Sites of the Western Hemisphere
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Please do a video on the Solutrean Hypothesis
I studied N Am anthropology 40 years ago and thought there was no reason people shouldn’t have been in the Americas by 50K years ago since they were pretty much everywhere else in the world at that time. It seemed to me humans were well capable of building substantial boats 100K years ago and exploration is human nature!
Coastwise navigation using currently unobtainable first class materials was entirely possible. Not enough PhDs have tried building boats and getting wet. Ultimately DNA will tell the story better
Great videos! Thank you for the hard work putting them together and for posting them!
Thanks a bunch for those kind words!
Another great video! Thank you!
Such a well put together video. It deserves and will get many more views. As always, thanks you.
I appreciate the kind words! Thank you for watching!
It's very possible that the updated time of arrival might put in doubt the land bridge theory entirely. It's been said by many archaeologists that there might not have been enough plant life to sustain animal migration across the land bridge.
So, there are strong arguments to say that the first Americans may have been coastal fishing and hunting specialists.
Totally agree. It's difficult to reconstruct environments as old as these, but science is always getting better at it.
@@TheHEAP I like to think they used skin boats. I lived in the sub-arctic tundra for a couple years, it's easy to imagine coastal specialists catching crustaceans, hunting seal form animals, large fish, and spring bird eggs....and in some places in summer , finding berries. That would get them healthily through the Alaskan coast until they reached the kelp highway. Easy to imagine settlements forming at river heads, while some members continue down coast into South America eventually.
To me, it only seems reasonable that there were coastal explorers in order for the two continents to become peopled so quickly. I mean....far Southern South America having 16kyo inland populations is.....very fast.
@@rockinbobokkin7831 That all seems reasonable to me. I'm very excited to see how this topic progresses over the next few years, it's been such a rollercoaster historically.
@@TheHEAP The NM footprints are a total game changer. Mind blowing. Agreed, the hunt for the history of the Americas amped up big time. Bet Mexico will be ramping up exploration with their Mastodon and Mammoth finds.
@@TheHEAP This all makes sense, but on the other hand. If the dates ever did get pushed back to 30,000+ years it would actually reopen the possibility of the land corridor. And it would be more feasible because instead of a newly opened corridor barren from the scraping of glaciers, it would be a slowly closing corridor that had been rich in life for thousands of years.
Another great one! Here for the long haul ✌
Really great video. Keep it up. 👍
As one who has studied Paleolithic cultures for 30 years, I'm impressed with your content. Good job!!! Just subscribed!!! You should do a video about the topper hill site.
Thank you! It’s always quite validating to receive kind words from experienced people. The Topper Site is certainly on the radar. I’d love to see some osl dates for the topper chopper if it’s even possible. Not sure what it’s made of.
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I just discovered your channel, and I must say that I'm very impressed! Subbed.
Well done. Thank you!
Exceptional work, I subscribed
Welcome aboard!
It is a stretch to believe that ancient humans did not see floating logs and make the leap that they could use these floating devices to cross bodies of water. A land bridge would not have been needed for a long period of time.
Since the Sea Level was about 100 m (350ft -/+) lower more land masses would be accessible, making Island hopping for supplies and settlements possible. A day to several days travel by sea to each Island would make the trip to the Western Coasts of the Americans a unique and enjoyable Travel Experience.
Great topic, it's something I looked into out of curiosity a little while ago and was amazed at how much controversy surrounded it. I'd love to see more videos on how we think humans spread to all corners of the earth through history. I find it so fascinating how we all began in Africa, then separated and spread out, and are now all connected again.
Me too! I’ll eventually get around to a big ol’ human migration map.
We are finding early humans in places other than Africa. If humans did begin in Africa, then they must have left over a million years ago to have also existed in other places and even more advanced than those who remained. It is an unexplained phenomenon that requires even more evidence and study. Things change often in the field and nothing is written in stone it seems. Science often gets it wrong and always changes. There have been many discoveries that show Humans were in the Americas far longer than Clovis. Science fights tooth and nail against new facts. If it doesn't fit the accepted 'theories', then it will take a lot to accept new information. I think Humans have been in America at least fifty thousand years and maybe much longer. Discoveries keep coming in and we need to open our minds.
At first I wasn’t sure of you because the sweater under the sport coat. But then you made me really think. I can’t wait for more videos. Super interesting content.
This one’s a t-shirt although I’ve shamelessly worn a sweater under it before, and you’re right to judge.
Honesty in thought is currently at a premium. Many thanks.
Superb. Just superb. Thank you
Excellent, measured and informative … great stuff. Love to see what's coming next in this series.
re Chiquihuite Cave …. Stefan Milo’s video also points out that what isn’t there is pretty damning… that is, lack other signs of human occupation, lack of other types of artefacts, animal bones etc …. also lack of changes in tool technology over a large time period despite the many and varied generations of humans who would have to be involved, their changing cultures, changing environment and tool-type requirements for changing resources.
Thank you! I enjoy watching Stefan Milo too, and he’s absolutely right as usual, there’s just not enough smoke to call fire. Ardelean seems like a pretty measured guy though. I wouldn’t be surprised if that site goes either way.
@@TheHEAP So many questions can be posed…
1. I wonder what percentage of archeologically explored caves have multiple tools in the absence of any other evidence of human occupation.
2. Why would these “tools” be in the cave in such numbers anyway… I would have thought that any useful tool would be taken away from the cave to be used and then discarded “in the field”.
3. Are not tools normally found in caves broken, worn and discarded from use :processing stuff inside the cave as part of daily living activities. Do any of the tools in this study exhibit classic wear patterns. If not.. why not? Stone tools wear very quickly. If they don’t show wear patterns we have a very unusual situation of multiple generations of people creating tools which they don’t bother to use or take with them.
1. It makes you wonder. I’m always trying to understand how well explored caves are worldwide.
2. Limestone isn’t a great material to knapp, so as far as I understand, it wouldn’t be surprising to see a higher degree of reject material. Also, unsure where, but I read a comment that this might also be a learning site, where the practicing knapper might make excess of what is usable or necessary to hone their skill. Of course, it would be difficult to find any corroborating evidence for that idea.
3. The original paper reported evidence of use-wear on some of these. It’s totally beyond my abilities to assess those claims though. I figure if that evidence was strong, then the means of production wouldn’t have been put into question however.
Good work. Thank you. 14:39
Nice calm and thoughtful presentation, well done. We always approach videos on this subject suspecting that old Hancock's garbage will be being pushed. What a relief to find an evidence based narrative.
The growth of Hancockian disinformation and science denial is a real let down for me and one of the reasons why I’ve wanted to start this channel. Comments like this are what I live for. Thank you so much.
@@TheHEAP Its my pleasure. Like I said, with old Hancock and his demented acolytes swarming all over youtube, it's reassuring to see someone with fact based content. Good luck with your channel.
Nicely done, very informative! Like it a bunch.
Thanks man! Glad to see you checked it out.
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i have been binging videos on this topic and i just watched a presentation in which the presenter was so certain 15kya was when humans came and that the paisley cave and gault and white sands sites were all just instances of bad science and thus they should not be counted as evidence of anything it was really frustrating-i also really appreciate what you said in your video at the end that is super frustrating too but thankfully most archaeologists have started to accept dates in the 30-20kya range-and then there's chiquihuite cave! I hadn't heard of it before, i wonder how far back the migration really happened! anyway great video! just subbed gonna check out your other stuff!
Much appreciated! It's pretty weird how confident people can be on dates like that. There are a lot of problems dating many pre-15kya sites, just like there are a lot of problems dating post-15kya sites. Archaeology isn't easy. But if the sheer number of pre-15kya sites are all bad science, then archaeology has a real big problem with dating, and I don't think that's the case.
Sure they came from Siberia after they first traveled to France to learn how to create a biface and then teleport to the North American East coast to hunt a mammoth before then jumping back over to Alaska to travel South so closed minded archeologist could adhere to the Bearing Straight Theory due to political pressure. It's pretty obvious now that there were at least half a dozen different migrations into the Americas and settlements all over both continents from a diverse and varied group of Paleolithic tribes. Surely you agree diversity was a strength back then right?
Well done! So with confirmation of the White Sands timeframe it's now fair to inquire who were these pre-Clovis people? Were they genetically different than Clovis, or perhaps an earlier unrelated lineage? The Sikora 2019 paper identified a new ANS population whose divergence and assimilation coincide with the pre-Clovis occupation at White Sands. Is it possible the earliest pre-Clovis were ANS?
Great Vid!
Thank you!
Very considered 👍🏼
I live in the BBNP area of Texas and have found many uniface design tools. As you would know, uniface tools are as technologically different from biface tools as a prop aircraft is from a jet aircraft. I believe these are 20-25,000 years old. What would your thoughts be on the age differences between the two designs?
Have you read Dennis Stanford's "Across Atlantic Ice"?
Would you be interested in talking with me about a Pre-Clovis site just found in western New York.
The offshore mammoth find with an earlier stone point in it was carbon dated 22,000 years ago. Skull in a virginia museum.
What about the Cerutti mastodon site?
I think the limit can not be older than when the first humans reach the northern coasts of Asia and that is certainly several times older than Clovis. With boats, once the Alaskan coast was reached, within a 1,000 years to be reaching the Chilean coast does not sound unreasonable.
Doesn’t sound unreasonable to me either. Question is when did people reach those coasts in Asia? The earliest evidence archaeologists can find is unlikely to be the earliest period of habitation in most scenarios.
@@TheHEAP People are believed to have reached the japanese islands about 30,000 yrs ago. Google factoid: The first human inhabitants of the Japanese archipelago have been traced to prehistoric times around 30,000 BCE. The Jōmon period, named after its cord-marked pottery, was followed by the Yayoi people in the first millennium BCE when new inventions were introduced from Asia.
From Japan with boats working one's way to the north russian coast and then to alaska seemd logical
many native stories went against clovis?? links please
I learn how to see the ancient portable lithic art. It’s a pattern. I couldn’t tell you the pattern, but I can tell you how to learn it.
What about MV1, doesn't that show humans were at Monte Verde over 30,000 years ago?
The evidence at MV1 is fairly shaky, even Dillehay admits he doesn't think it's strong enough to make any sort of conclusions. But it's certainly got potential to be older than MV2. Perhaps in the next few years we'll know more.
Normally I hate it when people put music behind their speech. This though. Very nice. It's very "Secret of Evermore."
so who wiped out the mega fauna and when did it happen?
And what about Pedra Furada (Piauí, Brazil)???
Deserves a mention, but to my knowledge, it’s more disputed. And going into the nuances involved would have made that section disproportionately long.
@@TheHEAP Actually, Pedra Furada is more IGNORED (by north American archeologists) than "disputed." Brazilian archeologists don't seem to have a problem with it.
why do most videos have annoying and distracting music in the backround....
What about the bone and artifact deposits of Valsequillo Reservoir in Mexico? Finds dated by geologists at approx. 250,000 bp, and EARLIER. The dates were not accepted by the Clovis firsters at the time, of course. But the dating has stood the test of time, and as you pointed out, "Clovis First" is now dead. Source: Christopher Hardaker, The First American: The Suppressed Story of The People Who Discovered The New World (2007).
@@RogerMeme Thanks, I will check that out. The suppression of knowledge continues, unfortunately.
Life started in America.
Archeologists have never found any human remains in North America that are near Clovis sites. Most Clovis tool sites are concentrated on the East Coast with almost zero evidence found in Alaska or Canada of Clovis style tools. Where did the Clovis technology come from? The only similar technology is Solutrean from France. Pretty strong evidence through genetic studies of Amazonian tribes that they have Australoid DNA in their ancestry. The site in Texas also seems to be about 18K-26k years old. If Ancient humans could make to Australia 60k years ago, pretty sure, they could have made it to the Americas that far back as well.
Might want to check out more information about Clovis sites with respect to your comment "zero evidence found in Alaska" .
Solutrean theory connected to Clovis is nonsense. The two groups are separated by nearly 8000 years (not to mention an ocean). Technology just does not stay that stagnant.
What is your rationale for " If Ancient humans could make to Australia 60k years ago, pretty sure, they could have made it to the Americas that far back as well."?
Ah, as Smithsonian's Dennis Stanford put it, there is another possiblity that the American inhabitants gave the Solutreans in Europe the technology!
Once again, a great video. You brought up my most hated thing in science, the politics. Science is supposed to be a crucible that smelts down the pure truth but humans will find a way to ruin anything, especially their own protocols and rules if it means otherwise changing what they're fighting for. People HATE changing what they fight for. Even in actual politics, Republicans tend to stay that way and Democrats tend to vote blue, blue, blue, too. t's stupid. People are so fixated on rooting for a team and beating another. They really don't care if it makes the world better, it's their team.
Thanks again! Honestly I find archaeology to be pretty good most of the time, this of course is one example where things did not proceed as they should have.
Agreed. Best to stick to hard evidence.
I'm not sure about the Cerutti Mastodon site, as that one simply does not fit into the realm of possible timelines based on the earliest known extents of human migrations outside of africa.
Simply put, it's highly debatable if modern humans had even extended beyond africa by that point (I personally don't think we had, at least not much further than the occasional foray into the levant.) But it could maybe possibly be another earlier hominid. But i'm not holding my breath...
That aside, I do believe that whatever evidence we do find is inevitably much more recent than the first arrival as it is statistically highly improbable that any evidence left by the earliest migrations would have survived until today, especially if these were down the coast. So if we have evidence of humans being in the americas 20+ thousand years ago, then chances are good that they had already been here for several thousand years before that.
If i were to venture a guess, I'd say based on what is know about migration patterns across the old world, I'd say humans likely first arrived upwards of 40-50,000 years ago. based on known arrival dates for Austronesia, and Siberia (i'm assuming that first arrival in the Americas was not long after the first arrival in Siberia considering how fast humans made it from Austronesia to Siberia).
I also believe there have been waves of migrations, with some of the early population groups completely dying out prior to subsequent migrations, so it is unlikely that the earliest migrations have left a record of their occupation in the modern indigenous genome.
I'm not saying this with any authority or certainty, it's just what seems most probable to me given all the facts as i understand them presently.
I think this a reasonable position given what evidence exists vs what doesn’t.
@@TheHEAP Thank you. I just want to be clear though, my official position will always be what the evidence best supports, while being open to other possibilities, provided they are reasonably plausible. Great videos BTW... I just came across your channel the other day and am really enjoying your well considered content.
well, the out of Africa theory is really being challenged. So many ancient human fossils have been found recently, and they don't seem to have much to do with Africa. Some good scientists are doubting that theory. It does make more sense, since ALL continents had primates and apes, and seems like conditions for evolution were everywhere, it makes sense, that simulation evolution may have happened in all continents. It seems like the cradle of humanity is getting crowded with Asia. To many mysterious human fossils popping up.
Such people or hominids would probably be on the cutting edge, and continually suffer from what is know as the Allee Effect, meaning not only genetic insufficiency but also not enough people to make a viable society. Genetically, one study claims that the highest DRD4-7R gene is in the tip of South America, the so-called wanderer gene. If so, it would figure out about right.
Technology varied widely, as did branches from the stem. Homo Erectus and Homo Nadeli lasted alongside more advanced cousins. The cutting edge tends to go further afield, to the deep edges. About 50% of murders in early cultures are of alpha males, often natural leaders, as tribes tend to be egalitarian and those people are often cut down. Smart and adventurous women would not be so different, case in point the witch burnings in Europe until about 1790. Those people would often enough see the hand writing on the wall and leave for distant fields, whatever the risks. Note the Perche Merle speared man cave painting in France.
Homo erectus covered the world.
The dates will continue to move back. For now, “it’s just a rock.”
If anyone wants to see a unknown mississippian site with rock art I made a video showing a site around my families land
1. doing a video about clovis cults
2. you didnt talk about the famous bluefish cave dated to 26k-32k in northern canada. it might be bluefin cave
I was on the fence. On one hand it deserves recognition, but there’s an argument for how it doesn’t disprove clovis where it’s much further north. Figured it was better to keep this vid relatively simple and give bluefish it’s due later on.
@@TheHEAP going back to 1. i might how the clovis first people became a cult on how they wouldn't look(and laugh) at any evidence to the counter and you could talk about how we shouldn't get into that mind set.
2. bluefish the only real thing that can disprove bluefish is if the people at bluefish were eating older frozen meat/bones that was melting. i dont know if radiation testing can test that.
Different groups of people came to different parts of the Americas at different times. DNA from the Australia and the South Pacific can be found in indigenous people of South America. Others have DNA from Siberia. Others from Japan. Some might have walked. Others came by boat.
The Australian DNA, is from Asia. It's been known for a while that the Aboriginals of Australia r NOT from Africa. They are from ASIA! Eurasia, Polynesia, Oceana to be exact. Spin it all u want, spin it till ur dizzy, you can't change genetics.
@@teresafernandez9849 I understand that.
At least 22,000 years ago.
the ocean currents take you straight to the gulf or central and south america why would anyone walk?
Mormons would hate this video
Any religious people would find it….without fact….unbelievable
I don't give oral histories any credence at all. When I was in elementary school, we did the exercise where the teacher whispered a secret in one student's ear, and then they were to whisper it to the next student and so on until it reached the last student, who then told the teacher what knew. It was vastly different than the original secret. In thousands of generations, nothing can be trusted.
I think any primary source needs thoughtful examination on its merits, but I wonder if the written word is actually more reliable than oral histories.
oral histories should simply be taken as tenuous - and school experiments should be taken as unscientific - when i was a kid and our class did that - i was suspect as i watched the kids whisper to the next - knowing there were at least 2 classmates who i knew would likely distort the message they received - just for the fun of it
Indeed, there is a local Indian legend around Crater Lake of a mountain explosion. Same goes for the Aborigine stories of the Budj Bim volcano some 37,000 years ago and others in Australia. There are many of mastodons, mammoths, and a whole range of other animals, plus sea ice in Tasmania and other locations. We should examine them closely (the Tasmanian ones were from memory as the records apparently burnt down in a house fire about 60 years ago), yet not dismiss them quickly.
Very informative, thank you. By the way, as for the First Americans, Ainu aren't indigenous or aborigine at all. They came in 12th century and no relation with First Americans theme completely. They are quite different from Australian Aborigine and American native Indians' situation. Related people for the First Americans are Proto-Japanese Hokkaido（PJH, Hokkaido Sojin）had lived there, northern part of Japanese archipelago, since 35-30,000 years ago though their bones haven' t been found yet. Similar peoples' bones were found in Okinawa, as samples of 36,000~27,000 years ago. On the other hand, their ancestors are famous for crossing sea more than 20km to collect obsidians at Onbase island in Tokyo islands since 38,000 years ago. Any way, it's not Ainu, but Proto-Japanese Hokkaido（PJH）or Hokkaido Sojin as the ancestral candidate people of the First Americans. These're well known matter about Ainu and ancestors, but really very strange of no mentioning from university scholars' side.
Thank you for watching! I originally wanted to include asian origins in this video but realized it would have made it much much longer and I'm far from up-to-date on the current thought. Hoping to do it eventually but I have a lot of reading to do first.
it's been proven recently by science, we r not Japanese, we came from Eurasia, millions of yrs ago. In time,u will know how long we have been here!
@@teresafernandez9849 As for First Americans, Pre-clovis people were surely existed and footprints in White Sands, New Mexico, added it last year. Now, point is that #1First Americans had dominated in North and even South America for several thousands of years to #2next wave of passing Ice Sheets. either west coast or ice-free corridor. From the point of language and mental characteristics view, American natives nowadays are descendants of First Americans. Proto Japanese " Sojin" Hokkaido, neither Jomon or Ainu, should be paid more attention to. DNA analysis from collected samples isn't almighty and shouldn't be put importance, too much.
The first peoples in the America's were called the Fa-cowy. They wandered around for years wondering,... where the fa-cowy...👀🙄?
The close-mindedness of so-called scientists who defend their own pet paradigms at all costs, in the face of countervailing evidence, is not just unfortunate... it's disgusting...
Did they though? Proof of Polynesian travelling the pacific to South America with lots of ancient tribes with the exact same DNA but their DNA is not found anywhere else in northern hemisphere?
There was 4 great civilizations in the Americas also a language that has not been named yet I'll just call it 'Reformed Egyptian' found on plates in 1823 in New York that tell the history of the ppl/civilization (5th-ish century) of the Americas that has recently been rediscovered in the Grand Canyon.... I have 2 much free time & a CrAzY imagination 😅
Good point about the Grand canyon
The mound builder's were a tribe of people here in America before the native Americans. Maybe these were archaic humans? Their descendants are still here. We call them sasquatch,and many other names. They are people. Just a very wild people. Bears don't walk upright together with two cubs. Dad will eat it's own. This is a family unit. Check out crypto reality. He has subjects that are records regularly.
There's conclusive proof of people in the south of Chile as far back as 17,000 BC, and a lot older evidence that's less conclusive. the site in Pilauco, about 100km north of Monte Verde, has a human footprint from 15,600 years ago. and they recently found some tools,ceramics,stuff like that.
some in brasil say they have found remains of civilization as old as 60,000 years old.
plus evidence of polynesians travelling from at least hawaii to antarctica. and the anecdotal evidence of incredibly old tales of trade and visitors which some people use to mean we were visited by ancient aliens
. plus evidence of trade all around. from the Pacific to the Atlantic.
There's a lotof remains. You dig a hole down here and chance are you'll find some stuff, but finding qualified archaeologists is complicated, and there isn't a lot of funding for digs. which is why a lot of construction work lays abandoned for years, they need a qualified archaeologist to check them out but there isn't enough.
but while there is plenty of evidence for travel from siberia through ice sheets and the like, you can't say that's where all the population came from.
Also, a DNA study says indigenous americans in various places in latam share traits with polynesians, w
backing up the old tales of a sailing across the pacific, which is really no surprise, when you start looking at how similar features there are.
I actually read the genetic diversity in latam is the lowest of any continent, only a handful came, survived, the rest of us come from them. which is think is pretty fucking awesome.
@Philosophy_First Wonky Nonsense.
They were transported to a new world ♥️🌏🤪
Okay ..the Bering sea narrative. Now look up *Prof Jin Li and Africa*
@2:27.....you mentioned Antarctica, well they've found man-made structures in these areas.
Divorcing someone over a terrible scientific take does almost seem like a badge of honor, like that definitely earns you some cred.
Nice video. Good job...
But.... You are wrong.
I GUARANTEE....
The first modern humans to migrate to the Americas came by way of following the food rich ocean coasts...by boat.
Check the DNA. The oldest human remains found in North America...the DNA was more closely related to tje Ainus of Japan than the Siberians that later croossed over the Beringian land bridge.
But still... A good thoughtful presentation. Well done
Hey Darrin. I'm glad you enjoyed it!
This video totally agrees that following ocean coasts is a well-supported idea. I'm not sure if I specifically mentioned boats, but that is certainly part of that hypothesis.
DNA analyses aren't great for North America and East/NE Asia. Admittedly, a lot of it goes over my head but there are so many disputes in that field, I don't know how to assess who has the more likely odds of being correct. It's likely that the founder population for North America had genetic influence from a number of different East/NE asian populations, the purported descendants of the Ainu, the Jomon, have been considered to be one of them. Dr. Jennifer Raff has a book coming out about the genetic history of the Americas this February. Hoping to read it and catch up on this topic when it becomes available.
Camels migrated to Asia from N.America millions of years ago. People migrated the opposite direction thousands of years ago. Siberian knew what Camels were.
Yes! The evolution of a camel’s hump is one of my favourite evolutionary anecdotes.
Horses, too. Both camels and horses later became extinct in their motherland. Beringia is not such a barrier, at least sometimes when it freezes over in one solid winter sheet of about 100 km on average with islands in the middle as a way station. It would do this occasionally even in warm periods like the Eemian or pre 3 million years ago.
Ah yes the music returns, tbh it goes well with ur lustrous long hair ngl
Honestly, I was totally looking for different music but couldn’t find anything I liked.
@@TheHEAP lol u should totally keep it, gives ur channel it's own character, too many creators out there flip flop between stuff and nothing really sticks in the end y'know?
@@MrCrystalm8 Completely agree with that. Definitely want to keep the music consistent.
First, the clovispoints etc is OLDER as far east you come! Some as much as 20000-26000 bc. That+s why one theory came up, the Européan Sollutreanpeople had somehow crossed the Atlantic.
Second, of course humans did not "walk" arond along the proposed "corridor". When a family group was ready to expand, that is had about 30 grown-ups and children (a total of about 120 individuals) half the group was ousted and had to seek a new hapitat. That should mean they moved about 2-3 months marsch away. Then they had to live there for about 30 years before THIS group got to about 120 individuals including children. Then that group split and half made 2-3 months and so on. That might mean about 60 km every time. It´s at least 2000 km from Alaska passed the corridore. This means about 300 x 30 years if all groups succeed every generation. That is 9000 years. Remember they didn´t know where to go.
But there are a smarter way. Go by boat along the coasts. 2-3 months by boat is far longer distans than 60 km on land. And food is more available along the coasts. 60 km you make in about 2 days by boat. That makes about 600 km every generation (about 30 year). During 1000 years humans would be able to travel (expand) about 30 times that is 18000 km. Boats, definatly along the coasts and also when they followed big rivers.
Polynesian DNA in Peru. Right, Siberian Islanders. Got it... huh?
Wrong information son
What makes you think that the White Sands footprints were made by people of Native American lineage? There's no proof of that. For all we know they could have been made by people of Polynesian ancestry, or perhaps European. I personally don't think that's the case, but we cannot assume these were made by people of Native American lineage without scientific PROOF. All we know is that they were made by humans, and that's it !!
“ the first people to come to the Americas almost definitely came from Siberia”, Bullshit.
Its a political, xenophobic and racist issue. The american academics need tio sustain the ideia that US is the first in everything (even that the antecessors of almost all american academics killed almost all "clovis first" sons...), and the american scientists are brighter and superior of every one. Theres a lot of brazilian and chilenian archeologists who found solid evidences of ancient human occupation in south america, that back to 18000-20000 BC and even you in your video even quoted! Shame on you american supremacists.
absolutely! the us has a lot of funding, thousands of digs and barely a few really old sites, meanwhile in south america they find shit with every construction project but there's no money to look. and when they do, they're shouted down, took them like 20 years to accept monte verde despite all the evidence
Kind of rude way to try and make your point
Shit
Really nice! Dogmatic thinking in science...just can't stand it! Like Stringer and the Neanderthal admixture theory - impossible! I always thought we have to be open to the possibility and I was really happy when it was proven correct. Making fun of other scientists who ascribes to another theory is just...tasteless and bad science. Greetings from Sweden 🇸🇪 😀
"Almost certainly came from Siberia..." Um, when I was a little boy in the 1960s, yes, I was taught this story. Well, after multiple university degrees and teaching credentials, this story is just plain silly. Hey paleo kids... let's climb that Huge mountain and chase a mastodon, or do you wanna go to the beach and play in tidal pools or float around on driftwood? Beachin'!!!
This dude is either a liar or his understanding is truly outdated. The oldest skeletal remains were found in south america The story is not told properly but I'll do this real quick. Of course life began in Africa and then individuals from my community spread civilization across the plant we are never given the credit that we are supposed to because the story of civilization is told by Europeans and if you have any understanding of Europeans. Then you would understand that there is a love hate relationship with the truth. They love it when it works in their favor and I hate it when it doesn't.
Outdated.
How so?
@@TheHEAP Coastal migration. Possibly even some Polynesian style island hopping to the Americas, but pre Polynesians. I haven't read too much about that one, though.
@@ncrikku This, as I state in the video, is very much still a work in progress. Coastal Migration is by no means off the table.
@@ncrikku the polynesians were for sure here prob as old as 20 thousand years ago, as has been said by natives for fuckin ever, and there's now a lot of evidence for what once thought as crazy as any conspiracy theory. the oldest sites have been found in brazil which makes me wonder if it's possible people came straight from africa. it's not that long a trek. but with the current state of politics it is unlikely there'll be studies done any time soon
Sorry, but oral history is of zero value for events that happened 18000 years or more ago. Native Americans are not the only people with oral history, nor are the special, and if no one else has oral history extending that far back, neither do they.
@Philosophy_First Oral histories change with every generation. They will be modified out of all recognition within one or two thousand years at most, and in a true oral history society the older stories would have been replaced by newer ones long before then. An oral history "library" can only accommodate so many "volumes" before stuff is left out or forgotten. If material is not written down it gets forgotten quite rapidly. People who keep oral histories without a written record might claim it is really old but it reality it is probably less than 500 years at most, longer than that there will just be shadows in the form of vague myths if you are lucky. For example, you might have an oral myth about a giant building the local mountain, and that might have started out as a real story involving real people long ago doing some real event, but it involved neither giants nor building mountains and in the interim has become a shadow. It was created by something real but has no resemblance at all to that now, instead it tells something completely different.
early humans came from many directions Asia (mongolia ).Europe ( solutrea ) the japans (.Ainu )
solutreans.
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