Titanium Bike For Alps Epic Ride?! | Moots CRD 2023 Inferno Bike Check
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 26 ส.ค. 2023
- The Moots Vamoots CRD was the bike that Si was lucky enough to be aboard during the epic Inferno race! 480km of riding, over some of the most epic climbs in the Alps, with 12000m of elevation in the process. Here's all the details!
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I like that GCN is separating out the sponsorship plugs from the ride itself. I'm a realist and know you've gotta pay the bills - separating out the content from the sponsorship is the right way to go.
Tip of the iceberg. What you do not see on GCN is the real conflict of interest.
I’ve owned almost every frame material in a bike. Three years ago I bought a Sage Titanium Barlow gravel bike. The ride is very smooth and the weight is reasonable. The frame is almost indestructible. I get a lot of positive comments on how the bike looks. Because it’s a gravel bike with close to endurance road geometry, with a second set of wheels it’s very versatile. It’s a lifetime bike.
That was my buying decision for titanium: lifetime bike. Finally swapped its carbon forks for ti too.
Sounds like a great bike! Titanium is a super great frame material! Would you buy another carbon bike?
you can get Ti forks?@@BC-wj8fx
About 4 yrs ago I built up a Lynsey GR270 gravel bike in brushed titanium and etched writing. It looks lux. I’ve built with flexibility in mind, Ultegra 2x rather than 1x but easy compact gearing and two sets of wheels, Hunt super wide with gravel tyres and 35mm deep carbon hoops with road 30mm tyres for the commuting, easy days and some Bikepacking. It’s so comfortable and looks great. While I love my Canyon Ultimate for strictly fast road, my Lynskey is like a multi tool of a bike that changes character as I need. My forever other bike - I’ll just upgrade the components over the years.
This is one of the only bikes capable of keeping my eyes off of Si's crocs. Gorgeous bike!
Those are clipless crocks you can ride in
Ahahahaha
A bold fashion choice 😂
That Moots is absolutely the finest bicycle ever featured on any GCN video, bar none! More beautifully designed, constructed, and finished than any carbon composite bike ever made.
It's a pretty stunning bike isn't it! 😍
This bike has a timeless look.
timeless/dull Definitely not a bike I would covet.
You've obviously never ridden one. Or even seen one for that matter.
I'm a huge fan of internally routed cables, not for aero properties but the clean look. If one day I could afford a Ti bike this will be the one.
Check out Van Nicholas Titanium bikes.
I've had a Kinesis Ti Tripster for 3 years. Love it ❤️
Such a lovely bike. Out of my price range but I'm glad companies like Moots have an audience for their products. I love titanium as a material for a bike frame and I own a titanium bike from another builder based in Tennessee, USA. It has a more traditional set-up with external cables, rim brakes, things like that. It does have a T47 bottom bracket though! But that actually suits my needs and preferences better. I didn't get a titanium bike because of some supposedly magical ride quality although I love the way my bike feels and responds when I ride. I got it because I wanted a fuss free bike that I could ride in all conditions without fear of damaging the frame or finish. I also got it because I love great craftsmanship. Sometimes I just look at the welds on my bike and smile a sweet smile. Granted, as sweet as it is, it is still only a smile a mother could love. 🤣
I love my Ti Tennessee bike too.
@@bicibugscolo9550 ❤️
I feel exactly the same way about my Tennessee bike. I don't worry about clamping the frame or scratching it. I even got a tour of the factory when I picked it up
@@john_7986 I got a tour also!!! I thought the tour was awesome. My wife, not so much. 🙄🤣🤣🤣
@MrLuigi-oi7gm My wife enjoyed the tour, but moreso riding around downtown Chattanooga before returning home. We hope to return someday
Ti bikes are timeless
To be fair, I do think it is established that Litespeed are the best in titanium frame making also having done it for the longest. They used to work with NASA if I am not mistaken. Their frames are actually a bit lighter than the one presented here and I believe builds are available for less money as well - though I appreciate that this is the silly money top spec you got here and all companies run those.
For sure a very sweet machine. The frame work and welding are stellar 👍
So verry clean❤
Lovely. Great vid
05:15 I run tubeless and carry tube in case I want to fix on the go as quickly. 10,000km and 3 years later, I haven’t had a puncture while on the road. I ride BAUM Corretto which is also a titanium bike.. the company is founded in Geelong Australia ~30 years ago similar time to moots i think
I’ve owned a Litespeed Classic since late 1994 when the brand was still owned by the founders. It’s my go to bike though I also own a nice carbon Felt Z4 and a Steel All City Mr Pink.
I replaced the original carbon fork on the Classic when my car was hit from the rear as the bike was on my trailer hitch travel rack in 1999. One of pedals punctured the radiator of the truck that hit me. No other damage to the bike besides the fork.
The Litespeed is still going strong with updated wheels and new-ish SRAM 22 components. I have close to 80,000 miles on this bike after 29 years of fun on it all over Louisiana, Texas and the Colorado mountains.
The ride is sublime and with a polished frame it is so easy to keep looking brand new.
EXPENSIVE BIKE 😎💯
What the heck no weight neither free hub sound check!!! 😛 Great effort Si!
I've got a titanium Tempest, which I've reimagined as a road endurance bike. It's a limousine and beautiful.
Lovely Sitanium bike ❤
Good bikes for sure. I've had a Litespeed Ghisallo since 2007 and it still looks as new. With some upgrades I did recently it came in at 6.8kg without pedals but with bottle cages and everything else, in a size XL with 50mm deep wheels. Would have been good to get an overall weight for your 16k setup
Great bike - love the detail in this vid. The tubes V tubeless is a good point well made. Those crocs 😂
Sensible tire choices, well played. For those of us who are not at race weight and hammering down mountain passes, the larger rear rotor is a good idea. Especially given the weight difference is said to be 8-ish grams so about 1/8 the weight of a gel. Or the weight of eight gel wrappers. A small price to pay for the additional stopping power. Congrats on a solid result for this brutal event.
0:20 the croc on the head tube, complements the croc on his feet
Nice crocs, lovely match with your shirt.
The bike is ok.
Always wanted a Merlin but it was always outside my budget. Would love a Moots like this one except without the internal cable routing. Making something so beautiful and simple more complex seems like a step backwards to me. Now, I think I will jump on ebay and see what classic Merlins are listed!
My Enigma that I got last October has external routing. Doesn’t detract from the looks at all.
There was a Ti Basso on ebay the other day 😮
@@TheSuperTumble The same goes for my Moots Vamoots RSL, although I'm not opposed to the cleaner look of the internal cables.
I found a secondhand titanium bike on Ebay for a good price with Ultegra components & Mavic wheels.
Love Moots, I own a Lynski. A life long frame.
LOVE Ti bikes, absolutely timeless. Not a care in the world and just a pleasure to ride for years and years.
Say it louder for those at the back!
I have two Litespeed great bike
This bike is incredible what a machine great video Si ❤
Did you catch his epic ride? 👉 th-cam.com/video/eM0r5rK0UmQ/w-d-xo.htmlsi=vRTEXTUc9Iq3gNG2
I was expecting more concerning the ride qualities of that titanium bike, but I guess that will be in another video. Great tip about having inner tubes for tubeless tires as you can swap them out easily on the road. Makes a lot of sense.
This is definitely a legacy bike to hand down to one's family. Well done 👏👏
It would make a great family heirloom!
I’m with two Lynskeys’, they are both a work of art! Love them both ❤… I am even thinking of swapping my cyclocross/winter bike with a GR300 frameset (amazing sale going on through their website).
stunning bike. like to see Ollie/Alex on it to hear what they think
Don't show it to Ollie... He'll end up riding away into the night 💨
Love Ti...have 1 now.
Curious of Retail cost if for sale?
A revisit to an old GCN haunt - the promenade between Roquebrune and Menton!
Yes! Excellent memory Frazer, I was having a good reminisce as well!
The bike is nice, but those Crocs 🤩 🤩
The Crocs steal the show really! 😂
Absolutely lovely. It makes me sad every day that I had to sell my only titanium bike many years ago. I've banged on over the last several years about bike prices and I stand by that. However, when you can customize geometry, ride quality, and everything else, it starts to feel a little more worth it. I still couldn't afford one and probably wouldn't spend that much even if I could, but it makes a lot more sense than spending that much for an off the shelf complete bike with basically zero options.
Ah no, sorry to hear about the bike that got away! Titanium bikes can offer a dreamy ride! Do you think you'll ever pick another one up?
@@gcntech I’d love too. But with bike prices being what they are, I’ll be keeping my current bike running for quite a while longer.
@@CatManDoSocialhere at Habanero we have not increased our prices at all.
@@justineseiferth8010 I’ll be honest, I don’t know Habanero but sounds like I need to check it out when I’m ready for a new bike. Thanks for the heads up!
Hey curious what overall weight of the bike is
Nice wheels Si ❤, no tubeless 😢
Good thinking on using tubes instead of tubeless setup
When your £10k plastic fantastic Trek looks dated in 2025, this will still look mint.
I like your shoes ❤
They need matching (oversized) sunglasses I think...
Is it actually due to Pirelli doing recall on tubeless race tire because it had issue with hookless?
A great looking bike that is certainly more appealing than the majority of carbon aero bikes these days!
I was going to get a moots but decided to go for a 2021 Ducati Panigale I found for 16000$ with less then 4500 miles on it
17500$ for a bicycle when you can buy a motorcycle that is a super bike is absolutely nuts
Missed opportunity to put the seat tube bottle up a few inches so you could have 2 bottles on the downtube. 3 bottles inside the triangle would be a nice option, or you could have a bolt-on frame bag in lieu of the third bottle.
Hope you ‘stuck’ some quality TPU tubes in those wheels, to keep the weight down and the puncture protection up :)
Those yellow Crocs are quite something...
#gcntech what is the best frame material for a gravel bike ? How about a video comparing/showing the different performance vs comfort ? Many thanks, great channel !!!
Titanium! Bar None.
how did the front end 'handle'......twitchy or stable?
30 cassette with 50/34 😮 still working hard Si
h very nice bike👀
How did it feel being without a power meter, presumably for the first time in ages on a proper ride?
Ti is my favorite, but why on God's green Earth did we not get the specs on the yellow crocs!? Is that in an upcoming video?? I'll be watching the tech channel closely.
Sy has now
reached Mike's ColCollective stature....GRandissimo ..and whata lovely Bike.. We Coloradans make good bikes and beer..lol.
If you've ever actually seen a Moots in person you'd understand the fanaticism.
Hi Si if you had to have one bike for everything and money wasn't as issue would it by this bike or similar Ti or would it have to be carbon ?
Carbon is great until your next crush. My Van Nicholas Titanium SKEIRON survived 2 major accidents. No cracks, no dents. Small scratches can be buffs out with a green dishwasher pad.
I have a CRD on order to replace my 15 year-old Vamoots. Unfortunately I’ll probably take possession of it just in time for the snow to fall.
It needs a pannier rack and a granny ring, then it would be perfect.
Would have gone for 11-34 for this kind of ride, but looking for a workable spec for something even lower. Road link is not supporting 12s. Ideas?
Rotor cranks. 46-30 direct mount chainrings exist for those :)
any issues with a carbon seat post in a Ti frame?
Never had problems here.
Hey Si, yellow crocs, come on !
It’s so nice not to hear the word “aero” for a change. So sick of all the inflated claims. This is a real bike.
I ❤ it! But stick to my ALL aluminium bike,DA7800 and aluminium wheels on top(!?!) Have a nice day/ride on that 🚴
Love the bike Simon but it's a NO to the crocs!!!! Hehehejejeje
A titanium bike will be my next purchase something a bit more all day and less racey.
Van Nicholas Titanium bikes
is that a dork disk?
Hi Si. What overall weight has been achieved for this bike?
It's a secret
My guess would be 8kgs
@@dalescott3942 Doesn't sound like a bad guess. Why didn't Si get the scales out and weight it?
@@emmabird9745 the brand probably told him not too. It's nowhere near 8kg
@@gurinderkular7209 That makes sense, as to why Si broke with GCN tradition. I've seen a vid by a Canadian guy who's Ti bike (not moots) was, he said 8.5kg. Maybe the Moots is the heavy duty version for touring.
What's the weight?
The image is not that clear, but I believe the finish of this moots is bead-blasted.
Yes, glass beads. Brushed you just use scotch Brite. We spec the brushed for exactly that reason!
What do you make of this titanium race machine? ⚙
I've a Moots Vamoots RSL running Super Record 12s mechanical and ENVE SES 6.7's. 7.4Kgs with pedals and cages. Best bike I've ever ridden. I would argue that for longer races and sportives it's faster than an aero bike for most people as the ride is so smooth you suffer less fatigue from road buzz and the like. Moots make absolutely top-class stuff and although they are expensive we live in a world where people are paying similar money for pre-preg carbon.
Well done Si, I think I might give that event a go next year. I was half expecting you to ride back up the Madone from Menton:)
It's 3/2.5 Aluminium/vanadium. Titanium is 94.5%.
Si’s Ben Stein impression.
16K pounds for that bike sound like a joke, no matter what it is made from.
Its not what its made from, its where its made. Its a hand built frame that is being manufactured in a location where the median housing cost is $1.4 mil USD. Yeah, paying people living salaries is expensive. Welcome to the reality if you want not made in China.
@@cjohnson3836I’m currently looking at a U.S. made hard tail that’s well under 3k so, lol 😂
@@thenormalberries6767 Where were the tubes sourced? What is the material? Who is doing the painting? What is the operational cost of all these locations to include labor cost, itself a function of CoL?
@@cjohnson3836stanton handmade ti bikes are around 4k for a grx/Ultegra spec bike
@@cjohnson3836Ferraris aren't expensive because Modena real estate is prime 💩
How about Portofino
Hi GCN, What is the Maximum load for this bicycle ? ( Common scenario Rider + Couple of bottles + Saddle bag + Handle bar bag ) . Nice video & Thanks :)
Frames usually don't matter especially alloy it's the rim max recommend rider weight. Which fluctuates by manufacturer, material and wheelset. Seems a lot that aren't fully race focused are about 250lbs but always check
@@jimsonjohnson3761 Thanks Sir 🙏🕊
I'm from the states and have always thought Moots Ti frames were really cool. But that CRD with Dura Ace Di2 is $17.5k on thier website. Geez.
At some point, it just feels like it's just not about cycling anymore.
That's the cost of Made in America. Steamboat is a HCOL area
@@cjohnson3836 No, that's just the cost of a Moots frame. The high cost of living in Steamboat is not the reason for their price.
Go find something else to do, loser.
Why isn't there a MOOTS Titanium seatpost instead of a carbon one?
Changing the inner tube of a tubeless tire is also a pain in the ass. Wy not normal tire if you don't want to use tubeless setup? Its also lighter.
And use TPU inner tubes! Rides like tubeless and easy as a normal tire setup.
Cool video and Moots ride setup breakdown,but they're only for the wealthy,I would rather save my money and buy a Dolan ADX Titanium.💯👌🏻🚴
Litespeed make cheaper, more advanced and much lighter (the world’s lightest) Titanium bikes than Moots. Unfortunately they don’t pay 40k for a video advert on GCN…
“Moots are the masters of Titanium…” masters of paid advertising more like.
“Its 1.4kg for the frame… for titanium that pretty impressive…” 1.4kg would be like the heaviest road bike frame Litespeed make, like a T5 or something. Their top end road frames are less than 1kg.
“Moots have been making titanium bike for 30 years…” and they still don’t shape their tubes? They are all round and straight gauge? No innovation in 30 years! Litespeed have been making Ti bikes almost 40 years and they have incredible complexity in the tube design.
Litespeed have been
they were sold in 2005. dont call new litespeed 40 year old brand. they use cheaper Ti than moots as well.
@@pretzelhunt Please explain what cheap Ti means? There are two forms of Ti for bikes. That is all I have ever seen in 30+ years of owning 2 Ti bikes. Still ride both of them.
The original Litespeed was started and owned by the Lynskey family when they got out of the aerospace contracting business. They were bought out in 2005. Now a tota)y different company. By the way, they now are building bikes in there own name. Likethe old Litespeed days, they can shape their tubing.
@@johnlondon7620 There certainly are differing qualities of Ti tubes, this is quite separate from the two main types 3/2.5 & 6/4 used in cycling... there are also 36 other common Titanium alloy combinations in broader usage. When a brand says something like 'certified US aerospace grade' it means it conforms to the strictest standards of testing of integrity. The cheaper sources of tubing tend not to meet those standards, which isn't to say that it's strictly necessary for bicycle application. From the outset the main US brands prided themselves in using certified aerospace grade Ti, one of the main ways that other brands entered at lower pricepoints is from finding alternative sources for tubing.
@@nellyx1x493 I agree with most of what you are saying. There are 38 different types of commercial use of Ti. However, the bike industry only uses 2 types of tubes, 3/2.5 and 6/4. Again, it goes back to what is cheap Ti for bikes? If you could point me to a bike manufacturer that uses anything else that would prove it I think. Otherwise, cost is because of labor, demand etc.
Too bad Favero apparently didn't give you guys money else you could have run the best, lightest power meter pedals on the market.
Is this the vamoots?
Si is by far the most serious, as in professional, of all the GCN crew. While I know they have to pay the bills, I think it insults the intelligence of the viewers to present this series without saying that it is to promote a product. Just say it up front that you are being paid to advertise this bike.
Weight?!?!
I wish one day I can afford titanium bike...
Buy lightly used. I did and got the bike for a third of the original RRP.
And the reason for not having the fork from Ti as well is? (and please don't say weight)
Why not weight? A fork is orders of magnitude more difficult to weld than a frame. And the shaping qualities of carbon are far more valuable on a fork, than the frame. There are companies making Ti forks. They are incredibly expensive. And like any metal fork, incredibly heavy relative to the frame.
@@cjohnson3836 Haha wrong! Tito Titanium produces some excellent, tapered, Grade 9 titanium forks at an absolute steal. Running a set now. Fitted up easily, brake caliper mount came good & true, can't be happier. Yeah if "incredibly heavy" is just 20g more than the carbon forks they replaced.
@@cjohnson3836 Hi, I said "weight" because it is clear that the carbon fork is lighter (though I learned from the second reply that it's not that much), but then so is the frame. So if I'd go for super weight-optimization a titanium frame is already the wrong place to start with. "Price" might be a reason in a general case, but not here. And to be honest, if I pay for a very expensive Ti bike, I'll have the extra money for the fork as well. So what I can see is: You are more limited in shape and geometry due to material properties and machining methods. So "aero", e.g. is probably not happening on Ti. I guess overall it would make more sense on a gravel or cross bike, right? What about handling/feel?
Lets hope the rims aren't hookless
Why would Si have mounted tubeless tyres if they're not?
Tubes require higher pressures, and hookless require lower pressures. Let's just hope it works out.
$13k+ for this bike. It's insane. The audacity.
Right, they should make it out of aluminium and give it away for free
@@Ainttrippin only Siths deal in absolutes.
it's a steal compared Chinese carbon crap.
@@coolhand1966 Plenty of fantastically well made carbon products coming out of China. I'm all for supporting good quality wherever it is made but I'm not down with idiotic pricing.
@@coolhand1966 I bet $100 that if you're riding a carbon bike you're riding a frame made in either of 2 Chinas (PRC or Taiwan).
Not controversial to go sensibly for tubes in this situation. You can waste a lot of energy and stress mucking around with a sealant tubeless when things go wrong. Been there more once…
1,1kg frame? 😅
Si. Yellow crocs.
We need to talk 😔
would be more better if rim brake
For 16k USD, that thing should drive itself.
When you need cables replaced bring your bank info.
No doubt this is an amazing bike. I have fallen in love with Titanium bikes few years ago and searched for the perfect bike a long time. There are not many brands (I know of Moots, De rosa, Kocmo, Falkenjagd, No22) capable to build a bike with fully integrated cables. If I had enough money to not worry about, I would not choose a Moots. I would prefer a No22 made in NYC with 3D Ti stem and all matching finish.
Sturdy.
Fully integrated cables is not any trick and is no different with Ti than other materials. They've put the cables inside the bearings and through the tubes. It's electronic groupset only so you don't have to worry about shift quality with the complex routing. There's nothing about Ti that makes it more complicated than any other bike, it's more a question of the fork which in this case is an ENVE carbon fork.
@@coolhand1966you are right sturdy Looks also realy good
Van Nicholas Titanium bikes
Apollo ti all the way
Titanium rules
Don’t really like the overall look. Stickers on the frame are really ugly imho.. should have stuck to the black/titanium look.
Those are not stickers. The titanium has been anodized in thsoe parts to create the "rainbow"-effect.
@@digitalandy Fair enough. Still really ugly.
Edit: this is a $17k bike?!?! What a serious waste of money.
@@bartdevries8531 Taste is debatable. While I wouldn't ride it myself I still think it looks cool.
Also, of course they'll send GCN their top-of-the-line bike, as do other manufacturers. They'll have more budget-oriented builds as well.
At last, a bike where the engineering level may actually match the pricetag. Super desirable bike, the sort of bike more riders should be ridding verses the 'pro appearance' wannabees.
PluS, they are NOT made somewhere in the Orient… 🇺🇸
All bikes are way overpriced including Moots!
The hell it is. $13K for a bike. No.
@@ArthurD Wouldn't quite pay that either, but would rather spend that on something that might last 25+years and then some vs something that cracks like an eggshell if the bike falls over... it happens.
@@nellyx1x493 My 10 year old aluminum, sub 1K bike, other that worn rims it still looks like new. And it does it for just 600 bucks. Needless to say that I would not ride the same bike for 25+ years, not even 10.