I've owned by B2650 w/ loader, backhoe, RTR, box blade & rear blade for 2 years. Absolutely love it. Looked at all of these models and found the B2650 had the best balance of size, weight, performance and price for what I use it for which is just hobby landscaping. Call it my "Orange wheelbarrow" as it saved me soooo much work, time and backache by not having to use a shovel and wheelbarrow for what I had done previously. Also looked at competitive models and after extensive analysis determined none of the others were as solid as Kubota.
I can confirm everything Neil says! I'm just coming up to the 50h maintenance interval on my new L2501. The thing is an absolute tank and has no problems shuffling around pallets and drums, grading/moving gravel, and I've even pulled out about 100 half-rotten fence posts with the LA525 loader and moved them to the opposite end of the property. I have done extensive brush hogging with a 60" rotary cutter which is very impressive for 25hp. Let's just say I chewed some serious stuff with that thing and it was honestly surprising a couple of times when I didn't break the shear bolt! I also mow about 8 acres with a 72" FDR1672 and can confirm that it's right at the limit of what 25hp can offer. Most of the time on flat ground in grass less than a foot tall, you can fly flat-out in medium gear and it cuts effortlessly. However, in some of the lower and wetter areas, I have to slow down a bit when the grass is about knee-high, and you can really tell when you're going up a hill since 25hp isn't a lot to move a 5000 pound tractor setup up a slope while also turning a 72" RFM through tall grass. I also leave ruts in those areas because the L series is quite heavy compared to a B, but I enjoy greater stability and a lot more pulling power for it, which I need in my application for plowing and ripping. Anyway, I have zero regrets with my purchase. Neil's videos were instrumental in helping me to select the right tractor and I couldn't be happier. Thanks!
Thanks for this comment Doug. I just bought my L2501 and was worried about the mower. We got a 60" EverythingAttachments mower (well, we're in line-- gotta wait 7 weeks!). It's good to know that we'll be able to mow our 5 acres with it without many worries.
I have a 2501 with a 60" Land Pride finish mower. I used to have a B2301 to pull it, the 2501 does a much better job. However, I switched to "low lift" blades, instead of the "medium lift" it came with. That has really seemed to help with the HP thing. Not moving as much air, so less HP required, so it mows stronger. May be not as nice a cut, but for our place, not a big concern.
Neil - you are our education guru for compact tractors. Thanks for all that you do for the industry. We have a 2019 BX23S which we are modifying to tow aircraft and do other airfield work. We'll send you some photos of what we are up to with some custom mounts. All the best.
So much to learn and understand with all these different sizes of tractors. No wonder so many people buy the wrong tractor for their application. I appreciate the explanations, Neil, so I can be better informed for my next tractor purchase!
I could not be happier with my B2601 I have had it almost 3 years and use it for everything from mowing to splitting firewood to running a generator when power goes out. I replaced a lot of equipment with one tractor power unit to simplify my life. I found it to be very simple and well made compared to other brands. For my needs I think the power to weight is a good match as I use the tractor to mow grass all summer.
@@aaa1-143 I'm running home made splitter with PTO power hydraulic pump and a WinCo 10kw generator. Also run land pride 50" tiller and got the everything attachments grapple for the loader. I can't tell you how much easier it has made my life.
We are getting ready to buy a new BX2680 with a 60" mower deck and you have just answered a lot more questions than the two dealers in our area. Thanks a lot.
I've had a bx2680 for exactly one year now and you won't be disappointed. It's a fantastic Swiss army knife, it does damn near everything and fits damn near everywhere too. I've just turned 110 hrs on it
I've had a BX2680 for about 2 years now and I regret it. Too small for what I need to do. I call it a jack of all trades, master of none. Our property is hilly and you have to be careful about cutting the grass. I removed the belly mower and I'll never use it again. The tractor is too heavy and rips up the turf. I ended up buying a Scag ztr mower which s much better. I also will probably never use the expensive Kubota front snowblower again. It clogs way too much. I put forks on the loader bucket and I believe it can only handle about 250 pounds before the rear wheels come off the ground. I bought this because the wIfe said she would use it. She never has. I should have went with the L3901. Best of luck to you
Mine doesn't get too top heavy. I put fluid in the rear tires and that helps out a ton. No tool is right for every job but I love the flexibility that the BX line offers. If I have a complaint it's that I wish the loader capacity was more but what I have found is that no matter how big a machine you purchase, you still wish you had more. I also have a big 60hp farm tractor with loader if my jobs get too big. If I didn't have that I may have went to the B2601 ( next model bigger) but overall, I'm happy with my purchase.
Thanks a lot for the info we are gonna have them put fluid in all four tires when the put it together out of the grate. Have you got a 60" belly mower with yours???
Do you ever use it on uneven ground? I'm thinking about trading mine in for an l2501, it just feels too tippy feels like the cab is way too big. Maybe it's just me. I used a b1700 without a cab for about 500 hours and I'd take that thing on crazy slopes.
Dan D it does feel tippy to me but I attributed that to this being my first tractor ever. Having said that, after 50 plus hours, I feel much more comfortable with the way it takes terrain and handles slopes. Hills that used to give me major pucker factor don’t even concern me anymore. I did go with the loaded tires so that may be a factor as well. I think some of it is just getting used to the way it feels- much more of the weight is low even though it might not feel like it sitting in the cab.
@@Greezbhal Thanks for the reply, I'm glad it's not just me. I watched a few of your movies, and subbed. The one of you mowing, seems like u had the same feeling I do. I also have loaded tires, and about 200hrs. Dealer mentioned wheel spacers, idk. It's not my first tractor. And I've been in backhoes, farm tractors with cabs, but this is my first with a cab. And the cab is awesome, I got the messics special radio too. I think it's just too big for the tractor. I'm comfortable on it, I just stay away from anything too steep. It's not that bad with a brush hog, or even the Box blade low for ballast. But but a full bucket on uneven terrain, or even a not evenly loaded bucket with no ballast is sketchy. I've had it on just the front tires several times. I used to B 1700 no cab for a while, did a job on a Lakefront house, like 40° slope to water and I was driving sideways on it. I'd never dare take the B2650 there. Also, I have a mini and a zero turn, both Kubota, so my tractor's basically a loader. Haul material, driveway grading Etc. With the occasional brush hogging. I think the l2501 is a better fit for what I do. If I could buy a new Kubota Skid Steer with no emissions garbage I would.
Dan D oh, I wouldn’t try 40 degree side hill on my 2650. It might be able to do it, especially with a mower on the back, but I wouldn’t have the nerve to test it. I don’t know that wheel spacers would make all that much difference but it might be worth a try. I have the back field of my property to brush hog here soon so that will give me a really good idea of how it feels on steeper hills with a heavier mower. I’ll do a video on it. Thanks for the sub!
Very good explanation Neil. I bought a J.D.3025e about 18 months ago. I believe its about the same frame size as youL 2601.The reason i went under the 26 HP tractor was, to stay away from the Tier 4 Emissions and the DPF filter. I have heard theres not near the problem as in the beginning especially since its been around for a few years. If i had known at the time i bought my Deere, that i could've gotten a Kubota L2601 without the DPF i would have come home with a new Kubota. Thanks Neil.
Good video. I’ve had the B2650 for a little over 2 years now and it is a great tractor. I take care of 20 acres and it’s great for working in the pasture or in the yard.
This is a great video. You're right on the dot about not having much scale for tractors, we have a L3000 from 20 years ago and looking at photos and things of the L3301 they always seemed smaller but when I could finally stand next to one with AG tires a while back they seem about the same size and I had no idea.
Good video answers some questions about the tractors but I wished you would have given the weight an torque ratings so we would have know the real difference .On a video as you said size is hard to tell but the weight an torque is the real difference.
love my bx i purchased over a month ago, i watched so many you tubers before making my decision, like the you tubers, Good works tractors and tractor time with tim, they never say to many good things about kubota like they can’t see past the color green lol so really not of fan, looked at them both myself and the kubota is like the toyota in tractors far as dependability, my brother has the 1025R and had it for 3 months now and his been in the shop 4 times so far and said he wished he would have looked at a kubota before making his decision, i told him every manufacturer can mess up and have problems some just more than others, don’t get me wrong i like john deere just not a fan of the green in color and design, like my brother 1025r when you lift the hood and you can put 2 motors where they have so much empty space under the hood. so before you make a decision do your homework and go out and drive them and find a good dealer, not a dealer that says buy this brand and all other tractors isn’t the best like the you tubers i mentioned.
That pollution control adds a lot of price to the tractor over 26hp, like to see the price difference between the L2501 and L3301. You should have mentioned the PTO HP especially between the B2650 and L2501. Good video as always, you work hard doing them. That makes you also a good salesman knowing your product.
I would also like to hear the price difference between the models. My understanding is there is not a loot of difference in price between the Bs and the L. (not sure about the BX). My local dealer quoted a difference between the L25 and L33 of $3000 (can) last year - assuming most of that is for the DPF. Also if your not doing a lot of loader work a standard trans is a bit cheaper and puts more HP to the PTO (about an extra 1 or so for the PTO). Also watch out for turbo'ed engines, more electronics/air volume measurements, which can cause issues for the DPF if anything goes wrong (DPF bad if the engine goes out of sync and starts sutting up - more cycling).
That price difference is mostly for the dpf systems, there’s not that much of a difference between pto hp either I bet or hyd pump either between the two models
Part of what I appreciate most about his delivery is his willingness to be honest about the shortcomings in the product (and lets face it, every product has them). It's nice to hear something besides 100% rah rah. Just bought our 2501 from a dealer down here in Texas and when I went through our application and asked him about features (cruise control, lights, etc) he basically talked me *out* of most of them, saying that they were probably not worth it in my case. This was after he pretty much knew he had the sale and could have FUD-ded me into spending more money. Just really impressed and appreciative.
You should do some on the Case IH Farmall Series A,B&C Series since u sell Case not to much info on them especially between each letter series. I think Case is a good tractor, the dealers around here Northern Indiana, carry all the big stuff for the farmers huge tractors&implements, they say no money in smaller tractors ,
geezboil I agree, not much info on the Farmall’s. Would love to see a video on them. Particularly the 30-40HP tractors. I’m in the market for one and our Case dealer here in VA tends to lean towards the bigger Case products. I’d definitely drive to PA to check one out!!
I think it would be helpful for people if you could obtain a crankshaft from the different size 26 hp tractors. Show them where the piston pushes and how far from the center on the different size tractors, even though they have the same HP. Bigger crankshaft means more Leverage.
Lol. That's when I decided to buy my Kubota. When I was roofing the house. I decided I wad working too hard and needed something to help out around the property. Never did figure out how to get it up on the roof though.
@@coreysellers4529 "Neil from Messick's here and today, we're gonna do a quick video covering Kubota's brand new 8510 Shingler that Kubota just released"
I am strictly going with an L2501 for sake of being able to unload pallets of feed from a semi. It's overkill of a tractor for my land size, but when you go through a pallet of chicken feed every few weeks...haha. I have about 10k worth of dirt work I need to finish up for our garden area, so I think it'll eventually pay off!
Neil- another great, well explained, through video! Thank you!!!! Side note, those yews behind you are in need of a good pruning/shaping- maybe do a video on some hedge trimmers/blowers, if you sell anything that small?
Thank you for this video. I am right now waiting for my dealer to let me know what they'll give me for my 2016 b2650 cab tractor in trade it towards an l2501. Which is not 26 horsepower by the way, it's 24. Kubota should make the l2501, with the engine from the b2650. And a cab.
@@bank80 The b2650 has a larger engine and it makes more horsepower. L2501 is 23.9 hp I believe d1105 B2650 is 25.5 I believe d1305 Something like that.. They're totally different engines.
@@dand33911 you're not looking at is correctly. B2650 has slightly more hp, but the L2501 has a much larger engine. Look at the engine displacement in the specs. L2501 engine is probably 1/3 larger, which means more torque. Torque is what gets the work done. L2501 would be crap with the b2650's engine.
@@bank80 The l2501 has a .3 l bigger engine. But makes less HP. And they make the same pto HP. Supposedly... I don't know if you watch Tractor time with Tim, he just put one of the 26 horse BX series on an actual PTO Dyno and it made almost 25hp. At the PTO. I think all these numbers are fudged, (like the horsepower numbers were fudged on 60's muscle cars) because of the stupid 26 horsepower emissions nonsense. I do know the l2501 comes with a smaller loader than the tractor I have now. And the b2650 cab tractor feels Tippy as hell. My cousin has the l2501, I've used it, I like it better. Feels more like a tractor.
Dan D The L2501 has a 1.7L engine. Significantly larger than the B2650 engine. The L2501 engine also is producing peak horsepower (and torque) at significantly lower RPM as well. To conclude, the L2501 engine is the one you want out of all of these non DPF engines. It’s also direct-injected; not sure if the B series engines are. My old B2920 was not.
I've now in the process of looking for a replacement for my 2018 JD 2032r because of the tier 4 emissions issues and quick connect mower coupler that I don't want to face when my warranty runs out. Id rather have the B2601 vs the B2650 (size/weight) but I have a 5' tiller and box blade. I tilled with a BX1500 with a 4' xb before I went to the JD and had 0 issues. Not sure what I'm going to do...
Love your videos ! You are my favorite tractor guy on TH-cam - I have a b2650 - first tractor for me . Please address the second hole above the buckets hydraulic cylinder . At the top pin there appears to be a second hole in the frame of the loader to move the cylinder two inches further away . Does this make the loader lift less high but give it more power on the curl ? Thanks
As usual another good video 👍. Waiting Waiting Waiting Waiting on land pride to send 3rd function and grapple for my new b2650. Talking to 4 different dealership they all say they have lost sales because of how slow land pride is filling orders. Anderson tractor in Bolivar was the most honest and best price of the 4 dealer's I contacted. Thanks have a good one and keep the videos coming You played a big part in me staying with the Kubota brand👍
Got a question about the HP and hydraulics. While it's true that it's the hydraulic capacity that determines the loader capabilities, wouldn't the higher HP also allow a higher flow at the required pressure? So that the 25 and 39 HP tractors lift the same payload, the 39 can just do it faster? Regardless, got a 2501 and it impresses me on a regular basis...
If the pump rpm is the same, no. In your case the next models up are slightly more rpm so they do flow faster. Hp does help with pressure recovery time after work.
Where does the LX fit into this, Neil? I know it's in between the L and B series, but what are the best applications suited for the LX in your opinion?
That dirt trick of using the same engine just increasing the horsepower in different model tractors isn't really a bad thing. If the same engine is used that just means it's that much easier to have easier availability of parts because there's multiple tractors using the same engine. Instead of different parts in different higher displacement engines so, in a way Kubota just makes that part harder than it needs to be.
60"Bushog squealer,landpride 52 tiller,woodland mills hyd feed chipper,skidding timber,my L2501 does it all comfortably,just know your limits.Great tractor,3rd Kubota Ive owned.
How long does Kubota typically keep a certain model of tractor? Like the BX 80 series, how long will they have them until they do major updates where the current BX attachments and accessories won't work? Curious as right now the BX2680 is just right for what I need, how long do I have before they change them up?
My b2650 pto brake broke at 400 hrs..... not a happy camper as they have to split the tractor to repair at over $1600... kubota blamed it on my 4' brush hog....
@@MessicksEquip it's very common in the automotive world so I'm not sure why it wouldn't be common with something not really strictly regulated on someone's private land? Oh well
It'd be interesting to know what part of the emissions system is supposedly so destructive? I see people hating on the DPF all the time for destroying their engine, a functioning DPF adds negligible resistance to your exhaust for vastly reduced particulate matter and is mostly maintenance free for a few thousand hours. Or is there some other part I'm missing that's intentionally integrated to self-destruct your engine? :P
Hydrar Draconis dumping raw diesel can wash the cylinders and get into the oil. Also extra back pressure, more heat. Your paying a lot just for the dpf system and getting nothing more function wise.
@@MessicksEquip @0:55 you say "kubota doesn't do that dirty trick of putting the same engine under the hood of several tractors...." I just listed where they did that, and 26hp has nothing to do with your statement or mine. I love your videos, but...in this case your statement was wrong.
I've owned by B2650 w/ loader, backhoe, RTR, box blade & rear blade for 2 years. Absolutely love it. Looked at all of these models and found the B2650 had the best balance of size, weight, performance and price for what I use it for which is just hobby landscaping. Call it my "Orange wheelbarrow" as it saved me soooo much work, time and backache by not having to use a shovel and wheelbarrow for what I had done previously. Also looked at competitive models and after extensive analysis determined none of the others were as solid as Kubota.
I can confirm everything Neil says! I'm just coming up to the 50h maintenance interval on my new L2501. The thing is an absolute tank and has no problems shuffling around pallets and drums, grading/moving gravel, and I've even pulled out about 100 half-rotten fence posts with the LA525 loader and moved them to the opposite end of the property. I have done extensive brush hogging with a 60" rotary cutter which is very impressive for 25hp. Let's just say I chewed some serious stuff with that thing and it was honestly surprising a couple of times when I didn't break the shear bolt! I also mow about 8 acres with a 72" FDR1672 and can confirm that it's right at the limit of what 25hp can offer. Most of the time on flat ground in grass less than a foot tall, you can fly flat-out in medium gear and it cuts effortlessly. However, in some of the lower and wetter areas, I have to slow down a bit when the grass is about knee-high, and you can really tell when you're going up a hill since 25hp isn't a lot to move a 5000 pound tractor setup up a slope while also turning a 72" RFM through tall grass. I also leave ruts in those areas because the L series is quite heavy compared to a B, but I enjoy greater stability and a lot more pulling power for it, which I need in my application for plowing and ripping.
Anyway, I have zero regrets with my purchase. Neil's videos were instrumental in helping me to select the right tractor and I couldn't be happier. Thanks!
Thanks for this comment Doug. I just bought my L2501 and was worried about the mower. We got a 60" EverythingAttachments mower (well, we're in line-- gotta wait 7 weeks!). It's good to know that we'll be able to mow our 5 acres with it without many worries.
I have a 2501 with a 60" Land Pride finish mower. I used to have a B2301 to pull it, the 2501 does a much better job. However, I switched to "low lift" blades, instead of the "medium lift" it came with. That has really seemed to help with the HP thing. Not moving as much air, so less HP required, so it mows stronger. May be not as nice a cut, but for our place, not a big concern.
Neil - you are our education guru for compact tractors. Thanks for all that you do for the industry. We have a 2019 BX23S which we are modifying to tow aircraft and do other airfield work. We'll send you some photos of what we are up to with some custom mounts. All the best.
So much to learn and understand with all these different sizes of tractors. No wonder so many people buy the wrong tractor for their application. I appreciate the explanations, Neil, so I can be better informed for my next tractor purchase!
I could not be happier with my B2601 I have had it almost 3 years and use it for everything from mowing to splitting firewood to running a generator when power goes out. I replaced a lot of equipment with one tractor power unit to simplify my life. I found it to be very simple and well made compared to other brands. For my needs I think the power to weight is a good match as I use the tractor to mow grass all summer.
What splitter and what generator are you running? Both applications I’m looking into for the same machine. Ty
@@aaa1-143 I'm running home made splitter with PTO power hydraulic pump and a WinCo 10kw generator. Also run land pride 50" tiller and got the everything attachments grapple for the loader. I can't tell you how much easier it has made my life.
Great video, Neil. I did not realize Kubota had so many 26hp tractors!
i know it's pretty off topic but does anyone know a good place to watch newly released tv shows online ?
@Jack Bodhi Try FlixZone. You can find it by googling :)
@Jack Bodhi Lately I have been using flixzone. Just google for it :)
We are getting ready to buy a new BX2680 with a 60" mower deck and you have just answered a lot more questions than the two dealers in our area. Thanks a lot.
I've had a bx2680 for exactly one year now and you won't be disappointed. It's a fantastic Swiss army knife, it does damn near everything and fits damn near everywhere too. I've just turned 110 hrs on it
How does it do mowing ditch's and on hillsides??? Does it get to feeling top heavy???
I've had a BX2680 for about 2 years now and I regret it. Too small for what I need to do. I call it a jack of all trades, master of none. Our property is hilly and you have to be careful about cutting the grass. I removed the belly mower and I'll never use it again. The tractor is too heavy and rips up the turf. I ended up buying a Scag ztr mower which s much better. I also will probably never use the expensive Kubota front snowblower again. It clogs way too much. I put forks on the loader bucket and I believe it can only handle about 250 pounds before the rear wheels come off the ground. I bought this because the wIfe said she would use it. She never has. I should have went with the L3901. Best of luck to you
Mine doesn't get too top heavy. I put fluid in the rear tires and that helps out a ton. No tool is right for every job but I love the flexibility that the BX line offers. If I have a complaint it's that I wish the loader capacity was more but what I have found is that no matter how big a machine you purchase, you still wish you had more. I also have a big 60hp farm tractor with loader if my jobs get too big. If I didn't have that I may have went to the B2601 ( next model bigger) but overall, I'm happy with my purchase.
Thanks a lot for the info we are gonna have them put fluid in all four tires when the put it together out of the grate. Have you got a 60" belly mower with yours???
I’m very happy with my B2650 Cab. It does everything I ask it to do and keeps me comfortable while I do it!
Do you ever use it on uneven ground?
I'm thinking about trading mine in for an l2501, it just feels too tippy feels like the cab is way too big. Maybe it's just me.
I used a b1700 without a cab for about 500 hours and I'd take that thing on crazy slopes.
Dan D it does feel tippy to me but I attributed that to this being my first tractor ever. Having said that, after 50 plus hours, I feel much more comfortable with the way it takes terrain and handles slopes. Hills that used to give me major pucker factor don’t even concern me anymore. I did go with the loaded tires so that may be a factor as well. I think some of it is just getting used to the way it feels- much more of the weight is low even though it might not feel like it sitting in the cab.
@@Greezbhal
Thanks for the reply, I'm glad it's not just me.
I watched a few of your movies, and subbed. The one of you mowing, seems like u had the same feeling I do.
I also have loaded tires, and about 200hrs. Dealer mentioned wheel spacers, idk. It's not my first tractor. And I've been in backhoes, farm tractors with cabs, but this is my first with a cab. And the cab is awesome, I got the messics special radio too. I think it's just too big for the tractor.
I'm comfortable on it, I just stay away from anything too steep. It's not that bad with a brush hog, or even the Box blade low for ballast. But but a full bucket on uneven terrain, or even a not evenly loaded bucket with no ballast is sketchy. I've had it on just the front tires several times.
I used to B 1700 no cab for a while, did a job on a Lakefront house, like 40° slope to water and I was driving sideways on it. I'd never dare take the B2650 there.
Also, I have a mini and a zero turn, both Kubota, so my tractor's basically a loader. Haul material, driveway grading Etc. With the occasional brush hogging. I think the l2501 is a better fit for what I do. If I could buy a new Kubota Skid Steer with no emissions garbage I would.
Dan D oh, I wouldn’t try 40 degree side hill on my 2650. It might be able to do it, especially with a mower on the back, but I wouldn’t have the nerve to test it. I don’t know that wheel spacers would make all that much difference but it might be worth a try. I have the back field of my property to brush hog here soon so that will give me a really good idea of how it feels on steeper hills with a heavier mower. I’ll do a video on it. Thanks for the sub!
Good day Neil. Great video - I am sure a lot of folks benefitted from this one. Cheers!
How about doing a video on the differences of the cab tractors
Very good explanation Neil. I bought a J.D.3025e about 18 months ago. I believe its about the same frame size as youL 2601.The reason i went under the 26 HP tractor was, to stay away from the Tier 4 Emissions and the DPF filter. I have heard theres not near the problem as in the beginning especially since its been around for a few years. If i had known at the time i bought my Deere, that i could've gotten a Kubota L2601 without the DPF i would have come home with a new Kubota. Thanks Neil.
Good video. I’ve had the B2650 for a little over 2 years now and it is a great tractor. I take care of 20 acres and it’s great for working in the pasture or in the yard.
This is a great video. You're right on the dot about not having much scale for tractors, we have a L3000 from 20 years ago and looking at photos and things of the L3301 they always seemed smaller but when I could finally stand next to one with AG tires a while back they seem about the same size and I had no idea.
Good video answers some questions about the tractors but I wished you would have given the weight an torque ratings so we would have know the real difference .On a video as you said size is hard to tell but the weight an torque is the real difference.
I love my L2501. It's a beast for a 25hp. Many feel it's way underrated. I'd love to get a PTO test done.
I knew that I wanted to get a l series tractor.I hadn't been able to figure out just what I wanted but this 2501 sounds like exactly what I'm after.
Good vid. I am sure Kubota salesmen everywhere are thanking you. You have saved them a lot of work.
Neil, I've got a 2018 B2650 (w/Loader and rear 60 inch Brush-Hog) and LOVE It... just 40 hrs to date but does all that I ask and capable of more ';-)
@Love it, Or leave it Works just fine... i do need to take 3/4 bites though for that full cut path!
love my bx i purchased over a month ago, i watched so many you tubers before making my decision, like the you tubers, Good works tractors and tractor time with tim, they never say to many good things about kubota like they can’t see past the color green lol so really not of fan, looked at them both myself and the kubota is like the toyota in tractors far as dependability, my brother has the 1025R and had it for 3 months now and his been in the shop 4 times so far and said he wished he would have looked at a kubota before making his decision, i told him every manufacturer can mess up and have problems some just more than others, don’t get me wrong i like john deere just not a fan of the green in color and design, like my brother 1025r when you lift the hood and you can put 2 motors where they have so much empty space under the hood. so before you make a decision do your homework and go out and drive them and find a good dealer, not a dealer that says buy this brand and all other tractors isn’t the best like the you tubers i mentioned.
Thank you for another good video. I never realized that the lift is dependent on hydraulic system more then horsepower.
That pollution control adds a lot of price to the tractor over 26hp, like to see the price difference between the L2501 and L3301. You should have mentioned the PTO HP especially between the B2650 and L2501. Good video as always, you work hard doing them. That makes you also a good salesman knowing your product.
I would also like to hear the price difference between the models. My understanding is there is not a loot of difference in price between the Bs and the L. (not sure about the BX).
My local dealer quoted a difference between the L25 and L33 of $3000 (can) last year - assuming most of that is for the DPF.
Also if your not doing a lot of loader work a standard trans is a bit cheaper and puts more HP to the PTO (about an extra 1 or so for the PTO).
Also watch out for turbo'ed engines, more electronics/air volume measurements, which can cause issues for the DPF if anything goes wrong (DPF bad if the engine goes out of sync and starts sutting up - more cycling).
That price difference is mostly for the dpf systems, there’s not that much of a difference between pto hp either I bet or hyd pump either between the two models
Part of what I appreciate most about his delivery is his willingness to be honest about the shortcomings in the product (and lets face it, every product has them). It's nice to hear something besides 100% rah rah.
Just bought our 2501 from a dealer down here in Texas and when I went through our application and asked him about features (cruise control, lights, etc) he basically talked me *out* of most of them, saying that they were probably not worth it in my case. This was after he pretty much knew he had the sale and could have FUD-ded me into spending more money. Just really impressed and appreciative.
More like this --- tractor comparison!! Great video
You should do some on the Case IH Farmall Series A,B&C Series since u sell Case not to much info on them especially between each letter series. I think Case is a good tractor, the dealers around here Northern Indiana, carry all the big stuff for the farmers huge tractors&implements, they say no money in smaller tractors ,
geezboil I agree, not much info on the Farmall’s. Would love to see a video on them. Particularly the 30-40HP tractors. I’m in the market for one and our Case dealer here in VA tends to lean towards the bigger Case products. I’d definitely drive to PA to check one out!!
I will. The last one I did was well recieved
geezboil smaller case units are Korean LS just like NH
Starcruiser Rob what Case tractors are made by LS, all 3 Farmall’s series A, B and C are Korea made too.
@@geezboil the compacts are LS, the ABC is not Korean. Each is different, but none Korea.
Our bx2200 vs our neighbors bx2660 honestly you can’t tell any power difference while mowing both with the 5’ deck so yes I agree that it is overkill
Could you talk about the 4x4 system? What is the power delivery like? 30f/70r?
I think it would be helpful for people if you could obtain a crankshaft from the different size 26 hp tractors.
Show them where the piston pushes and how far from the center on the different size tractors, even though they have the same HP. Bigger crankshaft means more Leverage.
Love my L2501. Thanks Rick at B&T McFarlane.
You need new shingles on that roof. (Messicks, not B&T)
Helpful overview, Neil!
Good job Neil as always.
Come on guys, let’s band together and buy some tractors so Neil can get his roof replaced! Lol
Observant 😉
Messick's I’ll order more parts for a start Neil!
Lol. That's when I decided to buy my Kubota. When I was roofing the house. I decided I wad working too hard and needed something to help out around the property. Never did figure out how to get it up on the roof though.
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@@coreysellers4529 "Neil from Messick's here and today, we're gonna do a quick video covering Kubota's brand new 8510 Shingler that Kubota just released"
I am strictly going with an L2501 for sake of being able to unload pallets of feed from a semi.
It's overkill of a tractor for my land size, but when you go through a pallet of chicken feed every few weeks...haha. I have about 10k worth of dirt work I need to finish up for our garden area, so I think it'll eventually pay off!
Neil- another great, well explained, through video! Thank you!!!! Side note, those yews behind you are in need of a good pruning/shaping- maybe do a video on some hedge trimmers/blowers, if you sell anything that small?
Thank you for this video.
I am right now waiting for my dealer to let me know what they'll give me for my 2016 b2650 cab tractor in trade it towards an l2501. Which is not 26 horsepower by the way, it's 24.
Kubota should make the l2501, with the engine from the b2650. And a cab.
That would be horrible. The L2501 engine is much larger than the b2650's and has much more torque.
@@bank80
The b2650 has a larger engine and it makes more horsepower.
L2501 is 23.9 hp I believe d1105
B2650 is 25.5 I believe d1305
Something like that..
They're totally different engines.
@@dand33911 you're not looking at is correctly. B2650 has slightly more hp, but the L2501 has a much larger engine. Look at the engine displacement in the specs. L2501 engine is probably 1/3 larger, which means more torque. Torque is what gets the work done. L2501 would be crap with the b2650's engine.
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The l2501 has a .3 l bigger engine. But makes less HP. And they make the same pto HP. Supposedly...
I don't know if you watch Tractor time with Tim, he just put one of the 26 horse BX series on an actual PTO Dyno and it made almost 25hp. At the PTO.
I think all these numbers are fudged, (like the horsepower numbers were fudged on 60's muscle cars) because of the stupid 26 horsepower emissions nonsense.
I do know the l2501 comes with a smaller loader than the tractor I have now. And the b2650 cab tractor feels Tippy as hell. My cousin has the l2501, I've used it, I like it better. Feels more like a tractor.
Dan D
The L2501 has a 1.7L engine. Significantly larger than the B2650 engine. The L2501 engine also is producing peak horsepower (and torque) at significantly lower RPM as well.
To conclude, the L2501 engine is the one you want out of all of these non DPF engines. It’s also direct-injected; not sure if the B series engines are. My old B2920 was not.
The comparison I've been looking for. Awesome job. Thanks
Hey Neil can you do a video of the 2601 2650 vs kioti? I can't find any kubota vs kioti sub compact or compact tractor
I've now in the process of looking for a replacement for my 2018 JD 2032r because of the tier 4 emissions issues and quick connect mower coupler that I don't want to face when my warranty runs out. Id rather have the B2601 vs the B2650 (size/weight) but I have a 5' tiller and box blade. I tilled with a BX1500 with a 4' xb before I went to the JD and had 0 issues. Not sure what I'm going to do...
The B2601 would do fine with the 5' tiller. Would not be my first choice, but I would not let it hold you back.
Really enjoy your video's. Very educational
Very helpful, explained well. Thanks
I had a BX25 and traded up to a B2601 and the 2601 sounds meaner, pulls like a elephant. Much stronger than the BX.
Do you have a tiller? If so what size?
Love your videos ! You are my favorite tractor guy on TH-cam - I have a b2650 - first tractor for me . Please address the second hole above the buckets hydraulic cylinder . At the top pin there appears to be a second hole in the frame of the loader to move the cylinder two inches further away . Does this make the loader lift less high but give it more power on the curl ?
Thanks
Which tractor here would be good to tow around a 2500 pound log splitter around a pretty even yard? Thanks!!
B series or larger
As usual another good video 👍. Waiting Waiting Waiting Waiting on land pride to send 3rd function and grapple for my new b2650. Talking to 4 different dealership they all say they have lost sales because of how slow land pride is filling orders. Anderson tractor in Bolivar was the most honest and best price of the 4 dealer's I contacted. Thanks have a good one and keep the videos coming
You played a big part in me staying with the Kubota brand👍
Got a question about the HP and hydraulics. While it's true that it's the hydraulic capacity that determines the loader capabilities, wouldn't the higher HP also allow a higher flow at the required pressure? So that the 25 and 39 HP tractors lift the same payload, the 39 can just do it faster?
Regardless, got a 2501 and it impresses me on a regular basis...
If the pump rpm is the same, no. In your case the next models up are slightly more rpm so they do flow faster. Hp does help with pressure recovery time after work.
@@MessicksEquip Thanks for your reply! That makes sense, if the pump is the same on the different tractor then it would be the same.
Where does the LX fit into this, Neil? I know it's in between the L and B series, but what are the best applications suited for the LX in your opinion?
Thanks Neil , Its hard to walk past an L series
Is this only on the eu market or why is there a b1 and a b2 series on the german Kubota Page
Is the b1 series between the bx and the b2 series ?
That dirt trick of using the same engine just increasing the horsepower in different model tractors isn't really a bad thing. If the same engine is used that just means it's that much easier to have easier availability of parts because there's multiple tractors using the same engine. Instead of different parts in different higher displacement engines so, in a way Kubota just makes that part harder than it needs to be.
Missing the B26!
B2620? I believe it and the B2920 have been dropped from the lineup. Both are no longer on Kubota’s web site.
Good video Neil Iove my l2501
Which Kubota would compare to the New Holland 1720 with turf tires?
Bummer the B2650 was not a cab model... I need to see one of those up close and personal like
I have other videos.
60"Bushog squealer,landpride 52 tiller,woodland mills hyd feed chipper,skidding timber,my L2501 does it all comfortably,just know your limits.Great tractor,3rd Kubota Ive owned.
I am surprised Kubota does not disclose the torque numbers, or talk about the hydraulic pump that drives the implements.
Kubota should be paying this guy….and plant the video directly on there website.
The b2320 DT PTO power is 1 less then the 2620. So i bought the 2320. it runs all the same implements and I use half the fuel. .
I wonder if Neil ever falls over from the way he contorts his legs when talking. A lot of leg action
How long does Kubota typically keep a certain model of tractor? Like the BX 80 series, how long will they have them until they do major updates where the current BX attachments and accessories won't work? Curious as right now the BX2680 is just right for what I need, how long do I have before they change them up?
Usually 4-5 years
@@MessicksEquip So the BX is due for a major update again since the BX80's were introduced in 2017?
@@wildbill23c again, usually. We never know.
@@MessicksEquip So its a surprise when they show up at the dealership HAHA!!! Have a great rest of your week & weekend. Can't wait to get my BX2680.
Is their a fuel allowance if i drive from iowa to pick 1 up? Haha.!!! Probably have done crazier things for less necessity.
well done
Neil, how much plow and disc do you think the L2501 could handle with wheel weights, ballasted tires, and R1s?
so many soil variables its hard to say, but for average soils a 3-bottom plow and 6' disc.
@@MessicksEquip Central KY red clay, minor detail I forgot.
get enough to cover the wheel base, it will do it.
Love my BX2680, big difference from my BX2380
What's the prices
Love my b2650 very capable machine.
My b2650 pto brake broke at 400 hrs..... not a happy camper as they have to split the tractor to repair at over $1600... kubota blamed it on my 4' brush hog....
Yea, a seized up slip clutch will do that. They have to be maintained.
Is there an update B2650 being released this fall?
Details will be out this fall, not sure when it ships.
Any details on the changes?
@@chevmlt not yet. In a month
What's the difference between the B2301 and the B2320?
Fla-bushcraft Prepper B2320 is more of an economy unit and comes in gear tranny only
Is the B2650 enough tractor run a small square baler
No
Is there a small baler that does not need a pto
Amish balers pretty much, that would be pulled by horses. They put a standalone engine on it. Not really a viable option.
How much horsepower does a small baler need
why does no one talk about the b 2620 so hard to find out where it stands
Not a current model. Replacement is B2601
@@MessicksEquip oh ok because mine is a b 2620 and it a 2018 but its a good tractor thank u
I'm sure plenty of ppl remove the emissions equipment from their personal use tractors.
I've never seen it done.
@@MessicksEquip it's very common in the automotive world so I'm not sure why it wouldn't be common with something not really strictly regulated on someone's private land? Oh well
Where would a 2620 fall in this category?
Same as the B2601
I want the b2601 or 2025r
No B26?!
2601 is for me
I love mine!
When but a tractor with low HP? More HP the better
Wish you guy weren’t afraid of mentioning price
this video is exactly why. I made this video 4 years ago, todays prices are totally different.
L2501.... All day!
Because it's the most power you can get before they have to start putting overpriced, self destructive emissions systems in them.
You're Right about That, I think I'll keep my 1985
JD 1050 with NO Destructive Emission System
And has 37 hp and only 317 Original Hours!!!
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Michael Rhoads
Stop whining please.
It'd be interesting to know what part of the emissions system is supposedly so destructive? I see people hating on the DPF all the time for destroying their engine, a functioning DPF adds negligible resistance to your exhaust for vastly reduced particulate matter and is mostly maintenance free for a few thousand hours.
Or is there some other part I'm missing that's intentionally integrated to self-destruct your engine? :P
Hydrar Draconis dumping raw diesel can wash the cylinders and get into the oil. Also extra back pressure, more heat. Your paying a lot just for the dpf system and getting nothing more function wise.
@@FishFind3000 its a non-functional pain in the ass. if you have to do a regen cycle it requires you stop what you are doing.
You need some new shingles!
Need to knock down the entire building
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Huh? Mx4800 5200 5800 all have the same engine. 5200 gets a turbo and the 5800 gets only programming to increase output from the 5200.
… not 26 Hp tractors.
@@MessicksEquip @0:55 you say "kubota doesn't do that dirty trick of putting the same engine under the hood of several tractors...." I just listed where they did that, and 26hp has nothing to do with your statement or mine. I love your videos, but...in this case your statement was wrong.