Have you ever wanted to hear two grown men talk about Tron for 40 minutes? If so, you're in luck. Jay and Jack talk about the original Tron and it's belated sequel Tron: Legacy!
THANK YOU GUYS SO MUCH! I was part of the crew from Quantum Creation FX that built all the costumes and weapons for Tron Legacy. It's very refreshing to hear someone speak positively about the film. Some clarifications, NO Tron Legacy was not part of a planned trilogy. It was planned as Tron: 2.0 but was decided at the last moment to become a one-off film. If it looks like a David Fincher movie, that's because Joseph Kosinski is a huge Fincher fan. Yes, we the crew all cringed when we saw de-aged Jeff Bridges, ironically enough they developed a much more naturalistic version of this process now. (See The Irishman) The movie made about double the budget back, but by Disney standards that's considered a flop, so don't hold your breath for Tron 3. The reason all the visual fx in the movie looks good is that Disney spent nearly two years on Post Production making sure everything is extra polished. My fondest memory is being electrocuted quite a few times while working on the experimental electrical system for the costumes. Again thanks guys on the lovely praise.
Thank you for sharing this with us, it is a good looking movie, probably the best good looking movie in a long time, your hard work really shows on screen!
I want to say thank you for the stunning cool visuals. Inspired by the suits and props, I even looked at what it would have cost to build myself a little something using EL panel or EL wire for some light-up clothing or accessory that's big enough to be cool and small enough to implement (a high-viz pedestrian accessory would be a great excuse) for bringing some cyberpunk to a dark winter's night. I didn't pursue it further, but I still think about it.
The extra irony is that they didn't use CGI that much in the film. Only a few shots were actually computer generated, the rest were black and white sets and costumes coloured in by hand.
I am unashamed to say I would absolutely watch a sequel to Legacy... the world building and the visuals have so much potential that I have always wanted to explore.
32:13 Tron was released on July 9, 1982, in 1,091 theaters in the United States and Canada grossing USD $4 million on its opening weekend. It went on to gross $33 million in the United States and Canada[25] and $17 million overseas, for a worldwide gross of approximately $50 million,[1] which was Disney's highest-grossing live action film for 5 years.[26] In addition, the film had $70 million in wholesale merchandise sales.[26]. The reason Disney wrote off the movie as a fail even though they made money was because they WANTED Star Wars money and did not get it...…….
@@CFViking Yeah, I wasn't dogging on the movie; in fact, it's gorgeous, visually speaking, and the soundtrack only further accentuates the look and feel of the movie.
Tron: Legacy...probably the only movie that has ever used 3D not just as a gimmick but as an actual storytelling device (the scenes in the real world are in 2D whereas the scenes in the computer are 3D)
1:58 Atari and Nintendo both had contracts with the US Army. Atari made a training simulator called the Bradley Trainer that was based on the arcade game Battlezone. Nintendo made a special rifle light gun and game for the SNES that was called the Multi-Purpose Arcade Combat Simulator (or M.A.C.S. for short). So, it's not totally unrealistic in that regard.
::The vast and unknowable Disney+ Algorithm notes an anomalous spike in the viewings of Tron: Legacy, and turns its soulless, mousy gaze towards the tiny web avatar of RLM::
Next month, RLM will be taken off TH-cam and be exclusive to Disney+. In all seriousness, it wouldn't be the first time Disney noticed RLM. They obviously watched the Plinkett reviews before they made TFA. Sadly, it didn't stop them from making a bunch of other mistakes imo.
20:50 Jay has the exact same relationship with Tron: Legacy that I do - it's not necessarily my favourite movie ever but I re-watch it often, because there's something about the combination of the visuals and soundtrack that I just can't get enough of
Ditto. I end up being immersed in something I genuinely like, and it’s a fun world to revisit. It’s happened to me with movies that did exceptionally well in some aspects (eg world, characters, score), but lacked in others (eg dialogue, pacing, themes). The Incredible Hulk is another for me.
Tron: Legacy has probably one of my all-time favorite soundtracks. Daft Punk is my absolute favorite band in the world and will always be. The fact that they were Disney's first choice before a director was even chosen is a true sign of how perfect they were for this movie. Tron: Legacy would most likely be less enjoyable without Daft Punk.
@@USMFAN1996 idk if you're a troll or not but it's absolutely not, it's an Irish name and there's no soft C sound in Irish. I know a bunch of lads named Cillian and nobody uses a soft c. If you're genuine, look up interviews with him and see how hosts address him.
And her unceasing deer-in-headlights look she has like 80% of the time? Yeah I liked her character but she needs to work on her facial expressions. She had a similar problem in _House._ So much wide-eyed looks it feels unnerving. But otherwise she's a fine actress.
@@pacershark452 Erm...she's constantly worked since and just directed a very successful movie (Booksmart), so I'm not sure you've been paying much attention.
Fun fact: The cinematographer for this movie is Claudio Miranda, a frequent collaborator of Joseph Kosinski that has indeed worked with David Fincher as the cinematographer for "The Curious Case of Benjamin Button".
My favorite line is after CLU asks, "Am I still to create the perfect system?", and Flynn kind of considers, and says, "....yeah?" The two bits that grate with me are the security guard scene on the top on Encom Tower, and the taxi scene when Sam lands on it. A guy lands on your cab, so you immediately speed up and swerve, shouting "No free ride!" After that, it gets good. I do really like this movie. Sam lives in a Dumont shipping container, Kevin still has his Bit. I like the recurrence of reflection in the computer world.
I was 16 when I saw this movie in the cinema in 1982, I had only played a bit with my brother's Spectrum (yes personal computers were a thing even all the way back then) and had no trouble understanding the premise or the setup of the movie. It's really not that complicated or difficult to grasp. I also really liked the movie.
Yep. There’s a kind of snobbishness of people who weren’t alive back then or too young. Some of their comments were really misinformed. It’s like they wanted to shit in the movie without giving it a fair try.
I was 8 in 1982, and I don't think I had any trouble with it either. I also loved the movie out of the gate and continue to love it, and Legacy, and Uprising, and the Tron 2.0 video game (enough to leave a comment a year after it would have been relevant)! Guess I'm part of that cult....
Wendy Carlos’ soundtrack to the first movie was always a highlight of that film. It fits the weird and alien environment of the world they were trying to create. Daft Punk definitely knocked it out of the park with Legacy but don’t shade Wendy!
I've just seen the original TRON and enjoyed it. Jay saying that the score might have worked with a big name composer behind it. This was Carlos's first score since doing The Shining- how much "bigger" can you get!?
I wasn't aware of who the composer was, or with the soundtrack previous to watching this. But I did hear that "bad" snippet and was just like "wow, that sounds fucking awesome" and immediately had to go find the soundtrack. They just don't seem to really like any "out there" music, no matter how good. Probably Josh would have something to say about it.
The scene where the kid shows up at the old arcade and there's 80s music blasting ambiently, I felt so comfey. This movie is a brilliant gnostic epic, the audience Disney targeted neither deserved nor enjoyed it. The Isos are basically pre-flood humanity.
It’s quite interesting the way these movies behave. When I watch original Tron, it’s like a wave of nostalgia and a glimpse into the romanticism of 1980’s Hollywood. Then Legacy comes out and it’s a philosophical deconstruction of the concept of a digital Earth, with concepts of religion, philosophy, and history all throughout it. They’re both of course still silly, dumb action movies in a fantastical setting, but those themes make it stay in your head for a while.
Tron Legacy occupies a large portion of my childhood film memory. I still laugh with my brother when anyone says "yeah" and it reminds us of the way Jeff Bridges says it. Biodigital jazz, man.
My dad showed me Tron when I was 4 years old, it blew my fucking mind. We went to see Tron Legacy when it came out together and had a great time. Love you Dad e: thanks for kind comments everyone. my dad is a really great guy and a true scifi nerd. he loves this cult movie stuff. the story of tron isn't much to write home about but it does paint a picture of a much bigger world with its own customs and needs, and that's what captivated my mind 25 years ago. it still does. fingers crossed that someday we get more wonderful weird Tron stuff.
THANK YOU FOR THIS. This movie is a big hit in our family. You hit most of the highlights. Its worth stressing how cool the father/son/father's creation/father's self-manifesting creation dynamics are (yes, they could have been explored more). I'd also say that the fact Legacy doesn't fit a traditional narrative/hero structure is a strength - Its its own thing. Few more neat things you didnt mention: - Another Star Wars moment: "I am *not* your father, Sam." - The parallel between Flynn's speech in flashback to shareholders vs Clu's speech to his troops. "In there is a new world/out there is a new world." - It could have played as a cheesy Hollywood moment, but when Sam returns to save Quorra near the end, they're about to jump from the platform, she says "its too far, you'll never make it," and he jumps and lands and says "made it." It calls back to their introduction when she jumps the car out of the grid. A potentially cheesy callback is heightened by the direction, the score and the understated delivery of the line, making it a legitimately goosebump inducing moment. - My 5 yr old loves both Tron and Legacy and insists that he will someday make Tron 3. Check back in in 25 years...
That's cool since Tron is essentially a CheckSum program to make sure programs are doing what they are supposed to do. Hence why he's such a risk to the MCP.
There's a lot of computer jargon in the movie. Flynn says "scuzzi data"- scuzzi was a hard disk type. "Bring out the logic probe"- logic probes test circuits in chips. TRace ON has been sorted. IO towers refer to input-output busses. Frankly, I think that the movie was just over the head of the audience. They didn't understand a lot of the jokes and they didn't understand that they were seeing a brand new way of doing movie effects that would eventually replace practical effects like Trumbell used for Blade Runner.
Tron is a masterpiece in my mind - visually visionary and absolutely incredible and beautiful designs, not ugly! But I worked professionally with 3D graphics so I am biased.
My only professional knowledge is a little art training and I think it's a very interesting world in both movies. I actually really liked the aesthetic of the first one. But I do like pretty weird and out there stuff generally
It shocked me when they called the original Tron ugly. It all became clear when he confessed his love for Marvel movies. This is generation gap at work.
13:50 The score for Tron was written by Wendy Carlos, who had also scored A Clockwork Orange and The Shining. A Clockwork Orange in particular makes great use of synthesizers.
I actually liked the soundtrack of the original. Wasn't earth-shattering or dramatic like a John Williams orchestra, but it fit the mood of the film to a "t."
Just listened to a new Moog/Flying Lotus collab that came out 3 days ago! Flying Lotus made a film "Building Your World", animated by House, scored using the the 2-note paraphonic analog synthesizer "Subsequent 25".
It's not just the soundtrack to A Clockwork Orange, the music was initially published in 1968 on Switched-On Bach, one of the most influential electronic albums ever published.
I made a similar drive to an IMAX with my Dad, brother, and sister. Agree on the experience. I've resisted seeing the movie again because I'm afraid it will diminish my memories. The closest I've gotten is listening to the soundtrack over and over.
24:45 The very first time "Rinzler" spoke during the disk fight, and said the word "user", you could tell it was Bruce Boxleitner's voice. I remember thinking, well, looks like Tron turned bad somehow.
29:22 was always my favourite part of the movie. When CLU asks why Flynn Tricked him, and Flynn Responds "He's my son!" The hurt look, the unspoken "And I'm not?" from CLU always gets me. Really glad it was brought up here.
Tron had 3 major impacts on entertainment: #1 - the light cycle scenes inspired John Lasseter to further develop cgi and eventually create Pixar. #2 - WHENEVER a piece of fiction goes into cyberspace, it almost always looks exactly like the Tron World. #3 - Tron Lines are a staple of sci-fi tech now.
I would love to see the effect used to create the original 1982 Tron world, but recreated using modern technology. Like, we don't need to use high contrast film anymore, and computers should be able to recreate the layering process that was used rather effortlessly. Imagine a true remastering of Tron in this way.
Jay should totally watch the Tron: Uprising cartoon if he likes to hang out in the world of Tron: Legacy. It takes its visual cues and atmosphere and pairs it with a really stylized cartoon look that gives the show a unique vibe
Have to disagree about the original's soundtrack. Wendy Carlos was a pioneer in electronic music and used both traditional orchestral and synthesized movements to create a blend , or perhaps even a clash, of the real and digital worlds. I think it worked very well for the type of movie Tron is. It's different in all aspects. It's not a traditional blockbuster, it isn't really action, drama, sci-fi, a "family" adventure, or comedy. It has elements of each, but never really commits to any one genre. It's unique and odd and most definitely not for everyone. The score, in my opinion, matches it perfectly. Granted, I think her work for A Clockwork Orange is stronger, but the opening theme is iconic. Yeah, I know, I'm biased. I'm a big Wendy Carlos fan, going back to stumbling upon my parents' "Switched on Bach" album when I was a child. I've been a fan ever since and find something interesting in all of her compositions. Oh, and the soundtrack for Legacy is awesome in it's own right. I mean, come on, it's Daft Punk. There's nothing more that needs to be said. Just listen and you'll understand how great they are.
I saw the original 'Tron' in the cinema when it came out, and still have a soft spot for it. Yes, the flaws are evident (and were back then), but what a warm glow of nostalgia whenever I see a scene.
My experience and sentiment, entirely. What J&J fail to appreciate is, how novel CGI were, back in the day. I saw that movie several times, just for the 10 minutes of computer imagery.
I saw Tron in the drive-in... the last drive-in around my immediate area that was still in business at the time. I think it survived until '84 or '85. Anyways, saw Tron on a double feature with either Star Trek 3 or Last Starfighter... can't remember which... but basically every time we went to the drive in it was a double feature of a current new release and something that was released the year or two before. Anyways, I remember liking it at the time... and yea... it is a little dull in hindsight, but as a 9 or 10 year old I was just amazed by the concept of being sucked into a computer world.
dragons123ism no joke I literally remembered that like ten minutes after posting that last night. Maybe an update video since 8 years have passed would be cool, maybe not idk.
Listening to this conversation was like listening to two star wars fans talking about how much they loved Jar-Jar and the prequels. It blows me away how much they didn't "get".
Speaking of the score for "Tron", Jay asserts it would be better if the score was by "someone better with synthesizers". The score for "Tron" is by Wendy Carlos.
"This came out like the same year as Blade Runner...?" Syd Mead designed both movies. Moebius also worked on Tron, and Blade Runner was heavily inspired by Moebius's comic "The Long Tomorrow"
"adorable that a company that makes videogames went on to make software and get government contracts" nervously glances towards John Carmacks direction
Tron was used well in kindgdom hearts 2. They contextualized the world well within the story. And the polished-up visuals looked really nice on ps2. It goes to show that Tron makes a way better videogame than a movie
I don't care what anyone says, Tron Legacy is one of the best sci-fi movies ever. I have never been more interested in living in a movie's world than Tron Legacy. I would love to leave on the Grid.
Disagree to an extent. I still get chills down my spine from the sound of the 1982 light cycle scene .... The original movie had a lot of faults, but the visuals at the time were awe inspiring.
One of the brilliant things about Tron was that the French illustrator/comic artist Moebius did much of the concept design which is what gave it its very unique look.
I was nine years old when this movie came out. I think people of later generations don't understand the mystery that surrounded computers, much less the idea of a virtual world. Computers were just coming into widespread use. It was one of my favorite movies. I laugh at it now, but I still have a soft spot for it. It's a true artifact of its time.
@@melanieenmats Yup. Also, the chubby accountant playing jai alai looks more striking to me than the "epic disc battle" clip. The original's glowing animation effect is unique in a way the sequel fails to manage. I had the same response at 33:27 when the title sequences were juxtaposed. The original takes the viewer into an alien reality, whereas the sequel just looks like drone footage of Vancouver.
Spot on review as always, I was one of the 48 people that saw this in the theater. Been a dork for it ever since. It was this instead of The Thing as I could not convince mom to take me to that when I was 13. Thank you for being so good at your reviews. My youtube heroes.
Love both Tron movies, I was 13 when the first one came out and was mesmerised by how different it was, the idea of a digital civilisation living within an analogue world blew me away. It was quite brave and experimental of Disney to produce such movie at the time and really should be applauded for pushing technological envelope within the confines of a live action movie even though the final product was flawed. Tron Legacy was an excellent sequel with an amazing soundtrack and the whole production was very respectful to the original.
Yes. When it came out it was visually stunning and creatively unique. Comparing it to Blade Runner is just plain wrong. The concept of a digital world creation was way ahead of its time in a pre Windows era. When I saw the Matrix I immediately thought of Tron and knew that the makers ran with the idea. I guess its a case of "you had to be there" where home computers just started out and whole new outlook of ideas and imaginations opened up that had no rules yet. The late seventies and early eighties was game changer in terms of technology.
It really was. The obvious way to go was to make something like “Pixels”. But instead Disney basically invented cyberspace, had the inhabitants of this nested world treat their remote users as deities, contacted using the I/O Tower temples, introduced the first use of a data weapon (trojan/virus), hypothesized an expanding malevolent AI and cemented the word “user” in popular culture. (Prior to “Tron” the phrases “computer operator” and “computerist” were just as common. After Tron it’s just “user”.) In terms of introducing novel concepts to pop culture it’s almost without peer as a sci fi movie.
Since this was the late seventies-early eighties, I feel like Disney was trying to create their own Star Wars franchise in terms of scope and state of the arts visuals for the time...and than after Tron: Legacy failed they just said screw it and opened their wallets to buy SW.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but I’m pretty sure that’s exactly what happened with Lucasfilm when making the first Star Wars movie but just flipped. George Lucas wanted buy the rights to make a Flash Gordon movie but couldn’t get them, so he said screw it and made his own Flash Gordon. Amazing how we’ve practically come full circle
@Spit Dragon It's a shame the previous generation spends its time saying how bad the next generation is and reducing their opportunities for the future. I wonder how it felt when the previous generation looked down on yours.
My experience of seeing Tron was in the movie theater at nine years old. It was one of the most influential movies of my lifetime behind Star Wars. The effects and imagination that went into that film were groundbreaking.
Tron Uprising was kind of becoming a bit too... Critical if that makes sense. They put it on progressively worse time slots and then removed it altogether. The show was slated to be really successful, although the art style was a bit experiential (making it more appealing to older audiences). Definitely worth a watch as the actor for Tron voices himself and Elijah wood plays Beck, the main character. Lovely show 🥰
@@Troublechutor Don't get me wrong I think it has aged a lot, but I kinda like that about it. it gives off a super nerdy charm while still having some unqiue environments and design.
@@Troublechutor Exactly- sfx in it aged nicelly and have kept their unique character/look, as opossed to almost every other SF, where special effects just look poor quality.
I saw Tron 1 in the theatre when I was 7 years old, and it was quite a spectacle. There was nothing like it. Computer-generated imagery in a movie was amazing. The score by Wendy Carlos was the perfect mix of synth and orchestra. The melodies are very memorable.
The soundtrack to the original Tron was phenomenal. There is so much creativity - dissonance fused to the melodic - and there are choices made that challenge me, yet keep me grounded in musical conventions. The composer took chances and it was refreshing to hear what she came up with. It was beautiful, haunting, weird, inspiring, and classic.
Yes... another shocking comment from them. Terrible music? Carlos made a score that sounded like a computer composed it, which was the point! These guys are all just pinning for another Marvel movie. There are lots around, go watch one instead.
@@CobyBassett rewatching this again and not remembering just how far off base they are. On the other hand their complaints about 'slow moving' and 'confusing' coupled with 'not clichéd enough' kind of explains the decline in sci fi movies in general.
I LOVE TRON. I am happy they made a sequel. Fantasy movies are usually misunderstood, but it that kind of creative thinking that inspires others. Thank you for EVERYBODY who created this imaginative wonderful movie.
I was around 8 when I saw tron on tv and it blew my little mind. It was such a catalyst for my imagination. I fantasized about being in the Tron world for months afterwards. I had a frisbee that I pretended was a light disk and an old refrigerator box that was my light cycle. I went on many adventures.
Me too. I remember playing the Tron arcade. It wasn’t“ugly” back then. It was “awe inspiring” in the style of computers at that time which was intentional. I’m surprised they can’t see that. Then again they think pcs didn’t exist back then.
I think TRON Legacy is one of my personal inspirations for a minimalist, futuristic designs as an artist as I often find myself doing something similar into the pages and I just love it so much
I find the first TRON infinitely interesting. On pretty much every level (apart from its story or even its plot), this film is bold and tries to do something absolutely unprecedented. And that's even true for the score. Granted, it's not film music you "like" to listen to, but it actually works pretty well in conjunction with the visuals. It's a statement in and of itself, showing that in the computer world of the Grid, the rules are different, and so the score also tries not to follow established rules for musical harmony and traditional film scores. Weaved together with the visuals, the film gets a very unique texture that I find incredibly fascinating and that wouldn't have worked nearly as well with more traditional film music. In essence, the film - for better or worse - is built as vehicle for this very tapestry, and not much else. And then, TRON Legacy comes along and remembers this very concept and elevates it to perfection. Daft Punk's soundtrack becomes this additional facet of visuals and the world-building and the Grid itself, it's amazing. The soundtrack elevates the whole film, which is quite okay, to a whole new level of perfection, creating such a rich and intense atmosphere that complements not only the world but also the action.
tron legacy is ok, I liked it. also, it's "funny" how back then when tron 1 came out it was considered "cheating" because they used computers for the effects, and now everything is cgi.
I mean these days the default is CGI, practical effects are the alternative or special choice, like "ooooh, look at that director!, he uses practical effects!". most mainstream blockbuster movies use CGI for almost everything, and the oscars give awards to those movies, they don't think it's cheating.
Same thing I was thinking. I was like "it didn't look that bad" when they were talking about how ugly the movie was. And then I realized that I was remembering Kingdom Hearts 2
I adore Tron: Legacy I always thought I was a little too young for OG Tron, but I did see it at the movies, and I remember there being a lot of hype about it at the time. so, maybe seeing it on a big screen as a kid, set me up to love it. rather than being older, watching on TV. good fun movies 1000% not boring. :-)
I've always thought that TRON: Legacy is what a Green Lantern movie should look and feel like. The way the light constructs work, the score, the glowing suits.
Man, being a massive Green Lantern and Dark Tower fan turned out awfully for me movie-wise :D It needs to be somewhere between Star Wars and Guardians of the Galaxy with, as much as they'd get it wrong, some sort of X-Men/Police Academy/Men In Black style headquarters parts to build characters. bit of funny, bit of drama and show the massive amount of alien GL members. I'd prefer a series, and honestly, if they were to put out a cheap series...I'd prefer a cartoon series. But yea, definitely agree that they could pull it off if they used the score and graphic style of Legacy. Good shout!
Tron Legacy was one of the best theater going experiences I've ever had. I saw it in 3D which actually added to the overall experience. The immersive visuals and sound effects were insane on the big screen. The Daft Punk score is incredible - "Fall" is one of my favorites, especially extended edits. Thanks for the discussion!
It's possible to enjoy something unironically while acknowledging that it's not very good. That said, they say outright that they think the original Tron is boring and ugly. They appreciated some of the visuals and the premise.
Before the original Tron was released, a book version was released. And it must have been based on a previous version of the script. The programs all had very human and often humorous personalities. The only programs who behaved like the ones we see in the movies were the ones in the Yori scene, starved for energy. And the "bits" were very different as well. They could answer in any affirmative or negative phrase. The one I remember was "You betcha!" They had a more lively, fun movie. And in my opinion, they rewrote it to make everyone more robotic is because the must have thought that the audience wouldn't understand otherwise.
@@santiagogallego8695 The style takes a minute to get into, as is kinda true with every part of the Tron franchise. But once you get into it it's honestly pretty good.
It's a great show. The concept design of that show was by Alberto Mielgo, who also did a lot of the concept designs for Into the Spider-Verse (before they unceremoniously canned him). He also has a short in season 1 of Love Death & Robots on Netflix.
The original “Tron” is one of the most audacious and influential pieces of cinema sci-fi ever made. And that’s even WITH it being a box-office flop. Same is true of Blade Runner which came out the same month. The *ideas* it's playing with, for the time, and the way it reifies them...it's incredible for 1982.
When you're talking about the quality of movies from 1982, it's a REALLY high bar. You have to remember some of the other films released in 1982, which overshadow Tron by a mile, especially in modern conversations: Blade Runner, ET, Wrath of Khan, Poltergeist, Officer and a Gentleman, Conan the Barbarian, Creepshow, Dark Crystal, Fast Times at Ridgemont High, First Blood, The Thing, and many others. Tron wasn't nominated for a VFX Oscar, but the nominees were ET, Blade Runner, and Poltergeist. That's a pretty heady group.
@@RedHeadKevin Sigh. Read my post again. I'm not talking about the quality of movies from 1982 qua movies. I'm talking about the IDEAS that Tron presents, most of which were completely new to cinema audiences in 1982. Virtual worlds. Cyberspace. Data weapons. The simulation hypothesis, with users as gods. Tron is a pioneering cyberpunk film two years before Neuromancer came out. It even cemented the word "user" in the culture as the standard term for a computer operator. Most people too young to see it when it came out will have no understanding of this, because they grew up in a world where the ideas it was playing with became part of the cultural landscape.
I knew i didn't like it for some reason, but couldn't put my finger on it... yeah, its all brown dirt and looks like crap, that is exactly it. Every other fight at least had a somewhat normal backdrop.
It doesn't look that bad, there are some neat shot (especially at The Assembly) but yeah it's not great either As for the broader criticism on cinematography Patrick Williams made a video on that, and they pretty much fixed that problem with the Feige administration, after Doctor Strange Movies like Ragnarok or Infinity War look a lot more vibrant
@@Louie_The_Dago I mean, what's the point of any franchise then? You always know they are going to win. The criticism doesn't really hold up either cause Infinity War they suffer a major and shocking loss
Yeah, I like the movie. And as they said, everything is really clear even though it's chaotic; even though it's "this happened and this happened and then this happened" we know what happened. Compared to some other blockbusters like Transformers where it's like "who did that? Wait how is he there? I know it's robot A vs robot B, but who's winning?" But that final fight scene IS aesthetically ugly. It reminds me of a game that was modded to REMOVE a green/brown filter and the game looked a lot more colorful and interesting.
Idk why but watching any Tron content is just so satisfying. Maybe it plays to the unconscious and our constant search for patterns in things... anyone else?
You guys must be kidding! The graphics in Tron back in the day was awesome. Just like Last Starfighter. Both movies were great. I remember my classmates were glued to the TV when we watched this in school. I thank my teachers for their great taste.
Me at 6 years old "this is awesome" These guys "nothing makes sense, it's so boring! No one understands this". Me at 6 in the 80s "let's rent Tron from the grocery store again!" I love you guys buy you're such crotchety curmudgeons sometimes.
@@DistractedGlobeGuy It is also almost like the original Tron, a film which I enjoy and have watched multiple times, is slow and plodding and poorly explained in many places.
@@tomkrawec yeah but they just shit on the movie completely. It has redeeming features that can be appreciated in context as you have enjoyed. They also Think that no one had a PC back then, or that no one would understand the movie because of the computer terminology.
California Adventure had a nightly festival for a while called ElecTRONica that was sick as hell, along with a nine-minute preview in the Muppets Theater that was absolutely breathtaking. That soundtrack with a theater sound system, and those visuals on a huge screen are just a joy. And the festival itself, complete with DJs, dancers, light shows, and more, was a blast.
I must be a real weirdo, because I always liked “Tron,” even as a kid back then and still like it. And I don’t have Disney+, but I do have both movies on BD.
One thing I'd disagree on with the original Tron is its pacing or explanation of things. The movie has a dreamy, surreal mood and motif and sticks to it. It begins in total darkness, at night. Even in the real world, settings and characters emerge slowly from the shadows. From there, the real and electronic worlds are mixed and cut between in a way that enhances the dreamlike feeling. It is telling that the final shot at the end of the film, in the real world, is at dawn as the sun is rising. There is a feeling of waking up from a long sleep. (This progression and motif is preserve in the sequel, obviously.) The original film stands the test of time precisely because it doesn't try to overexplain things. It remains open to interpretation. The electronic world's abstract aesthetic, by accident of history at least, became timeless. The look of Tron's computer world is essentially cultural shorthand for "virtual reality" and "mathematical", digital landscapes. Retro 80s nostalgia probably helps sell the movie better today than when it was released!
The final shot in "Tron" is actually a time-lapsed shot of the sun setting (rather than rising) over the cityscape of L.A. It's there to show the parallels between our world and The System, with energy and information flowing around in both.
Also, am I the only one who thinks there's a certain charm to super-early CGI? Check out the "Sexy Robot" commercial for another example. I think that aesthetic (in the right context) looks cool.
@@TetsuDeinonychus I studied to be a 3D CG artist (though wound up not going into the industry) and I totally agree. There's more personality there than today's hyper-real aesthetic.
No comparison between Tron: Legacy and Star Wars can be complete without pointing out that Luke's arc in The Last Jedi is basically the same as Kevin Flynn's here.
@@a.b.hawkins They clearly are oblivious. The fact that one of the is supposedly a game reviewer and doesn't "get" Tron, makes it one notch more cringeworthy
@@benjaminsantiagosstuff you wanna hear good synth stuff you just listen to baroque hoedown by they might be giants..alll over the spectrum..used to listen to it when i was a child and it probably was one of the songs i ever listened to that inspired me to be a music producer..such intricate sound design for just a little disney tune in a disneymania album
Goddamn, this movie is so good and unbelievably re-watchable. I must have seen it 30 times and listened to it 100 times, just vibing in the background.
Tron: Legacy has the greatest climax of any movie, because it’s Jeff Bridges fighting Jeff Bridges on a bridge.
Bridges X Bridges on a Bridge. My Favorite Threesome .
If only CG versions of Lloyd and Beau turned up to help him.
easily one of the best youtube comments ive seen
SAM PORTER BRIDGES FIGHTING JEFF BRIDGES ON THE GOLDEN GATE BRIDGE
That Bridges two worlds
THANK YOU GUYS SO MUCH! I was part of the crew from Quantum Creation FX that built all the costumes and weapons for Tron Legacy. It's very refreshing to hear someone speak positively about the film.
Some clarifications, NO Tron Legacy was not part of a planned trilogy.
It was planned as Tron: 2.0 but was decided at the last moment to become a one-off film.
If it looks like a David Fincher movie, that's because Joseph Kosinski is a huge Fincher fan.
Yes, we the crew all cringed when we saw de-aged Jeff Bridges, ironically enough they developed a much more naturalistic version of this process now. (See The Irishman)
The movie made about double the budget back, but by Disney standards that's considered a flop, so don't hold your breath for Tron 3.
The reason all the visual fx in the movie looks good is that Disney spent nearly two years on Post Production making sure everything is extra polished.
My fondest memory is being electrocuted quite a few times while working on the experimental electrical system for the costumes.
Again thanks guys on the lovely praise.
Damn man. You did GREAT. This movie looks fantastic, and I wish more movies took that time for that polish.
Like many people here have said, this movie looked beautiful--great job, and thanks for sharing your insights!
Thank you for sharing this with us, it is a good looking movie, probably the best good looking movie in a long time, your hard work really shows on screen!
I want to say thank you for the stunning cool visuals. Inspired by the suits and props, I even looked at what it would have cost to build myself a little something using EL panel or EL wire for some light-up clothing or accessory that's big enough to be cool and small enough to implement (a high-viz pedestrian accessory would be a great excuse) for bringing some cyberpunk to a dark winter's night. I didn't pursue it further, but I still think about it.
You must be well proud of your work on this. Great job.
I fondly remember Tron legacy because of 3 things:
1) The starkly unique and captivating world it's set in
2) The Daft Punk soundtrack
3) Olivia Wilde
In the reverse order surely.
@@suryakumars There was reverse something going on in my mind if you catch my drift.
It was an incredible experience in IMAX
@@Chromeberd Your outie became an innie?
I only remember tron legacy for the soundtrack lol
Sam getting caught by the helicopter in the beginning is actually mirrored by him getting caught by the recognizer when first entering the grid.
I was disappointed they didn’t make that connection. The movie is full of parallelism and symmetry.
Are you saying...it's like poetry?
@@williamsircin6025Castor is a funnier character than we’ve ever had before. 😂
Tron was bilked out of an academy award for special effects by “cheating” using computers
BAHAHAHAHAHHAHA
The extra irony is that they didn't use CGI that much in the film. Only a few shots were actually computer generated, the rest were black and white sets and costumes coloured in by hand.
Also in the 55th Academy Awards, Blade Runner lost to E.T. for Best Visual Effects. And The Thing (1982) wasn't even nominated.
@@irwinisidro The Academy hates horror even when it comes to visual effects.
@@irwinisidro Exactly why the academy awards are pointless.
I liked Tron series more than Ready Player One.
Hated the book and the movie was just as bad.
I think everyone with two brain cells to rub together can agree. For christs sake RDO doesn't have a single original bone in it
Setting the bar kind of low. RPO was terrible.
Ready Player One is tiresome.
Heck, I like the Wreck'it Ralph series over Ready Player One,
I am unashamed to say I would absolutely watch a sequel to Legacy... the world building and the visuals have so much potential that I have always wanted to explore.
Holy shit, I found someone else who shares my sentiment! I always get shit when I mention how much I like Legacy to people.
Holy shit, I found someone else who shares my sentiment! I always get shit when I mention how much I like Legacy to people.
You should give Tron: Evolution a play then. It takes you deeper into the world of The Grid.
Apparently it’s in the works with Jared Leto producing.
You're not wrong the visuals were nice and clean.
32:13 Tron was released on July 9, 1982, in 1,091 theaters in the United States and Canada grossing USD $4 million on its opening weekend. It went on to gross $33 million in the United States and Canada[25] and $17 million overseas, for a worldwide gross of approximately $50 million,[1] which was Disney's highest-grossing live action film for 5 years.[26] In addition, the film had $70 million in wholesale merchandise sales.[26]. The reason Disney wrote off the movie as a fail even though they made money was because they WANTED Star Wars money and did not get it...…….
It was a box office win. But not nearly as big for long term investment.
@@jeltje50 This.
Just because it makes money doesn't make it a worthy investment. People never get that.
This enacted Disney’s master plan to buy Star Wars destroy it and then bring back Tron to take its place at the top!! Ehhh maybe not
I think the same thing later happened with Tron: Legacy, because it felt like it was positioned to be another Avatar-sized "movie event".
@@morrettigames5153 Part 1 of the plan is complete already at least. Let's hope they can complete the second with the same passion.
TRON: Legacy didn't fail because it gave us an amazing Daft Punk Soundtrack
This.
Yeah dude we just got high and watched it it was cool. Miss college.
To be honest, wasn't that whole movie just a Daft Punk music video?
@@williamlowery6487 That's the best way to look at it, really, and in that regard it is a tremendous success.
@@CFViking Yeah, I wasn't dogging on the movie; in fact, it's gorgeous, visually speaking, and the soundtrack only further accentuates the look and feel of the movie.
To this day, Tron: Legacy has one of the greatest soundtracks ever produced for a feature film. Just hands down amazing!
I didn't appreciate them selling it split in three or four parts, but it was great.
i was just going to make the same comment :)) . arguably the best soundtranck of all time . every single track
It's because they got Daft Punk to compose the score.
I'm glad the movie exist even if it's just for that (and the remix album, it's amazing too).
Its reminiscent of my favorite soundtrack, Fight Club, by the Dust Brothers.
Tron: Legacy...probably the only movie that has ever used 3D not just as a gimmick but as an actual storytelling device (the scenes in the real world are in 2D whereas the scenes in the computer are 3D)
Spy Kids 3D did basically the same thing ;)
Dredd
1:58 Atari and Nintendo both had contracts with the US Army. Atari made a training simulator called the Bradley Trainer that was based on the arcade game Battlezone. Nintendo made a special rifle light gun and game for the SNES that was called the Multi-Purpose Arcade Combat Simulator (or M.A.C.S. for short). So, it's not totally unrealistic in that regard.
::The vast and unknowable Disney+ Algorithm notes an anomalous spike in the viewings of Tron: Legacy, and turns its soulless, mousy gaze towards the tiny web avatar of RLM::
quite cinematic!
Next month, RLM will be taken off TH-cam and be exclusive to Disney+.
In all seriousness, it wouldn't be the first time Disney noticed RLM. They obviously watched the Plinkett reviews before they made TFA. Sadly, it didn't stop them from making a bunch of other mistakes imo.
"Your move hack-frauds. Come on!"
Disney: “Your move Jay. Come on!”
20:50 Jay has the exact same relationship with Tron: Legacy that I do - it's not necessarily my favourite movie ever but I re-watch it often, because there's something about the combination of the visuals and soundtrack that I just can't get enough of
Yep, same here I love revisitng that world every so often.
Ditto. I end up being immersed in something I genuinely like, and it’s a fun world to revisit. It’s happened to me with movies that did exceptionally well in some aspects (eg world, characters, score), but lacked in others (eg dialogue, pacing, themes). The Incredible Hulk is another for me.
@@kobebonhomme7037 My dirty little secret is Terminator 3, and Alien 3 (Not going full on Robocop 3) but I have secrets...
@He-Man ! Hulk was better, plus it had Jennifer Connelly in it.
I feel the same way honestly.
The story is alright but the visuals (minus playdoh jeff bridges) and soundtrack are so beautiful.
Tron: Legacy has probably one of my all-time favorite soundtracks. Daft Punk is my absolute favorite band in the world and will always be. The fact that they were Disney's first choice before a director was even chosen is a true sign of how perfect they were for this movie. Tron: Legacy would most likely be less enjoyable without Daft Punk.
Vaporware then Simon Pegg. Dammit Jack.
Also Sillian Murphy from Jay lol
@@USMFAN1996 idk if you're a troll or not but it's absolutely not, it's an Irish name and there's no soft C sound in Irish. I know a bunch of lads named Cillian and nobody uses a soft c. If you're genuine, look up interviews with him and see how hosts address him.
And how he pronounces Cillian Murphy
@@Adrianovaz2007 I want to believe. However, I doubt he even knows what synthwave is.
@M Schloss Imagine getting irked or upset over something that trivial. You were raised by a Karen I guess.
The thing that comes to mind, when I think about Tron Legacy, is Olivia Wilde.
You know... I'm with you there. But i think Gem - almost - edges her out. Almost.
And her unceasing deer-in-headlights look she has like 80% of the time?
Yeah I liked her character but she needs to work on her facial expressions. She had a similar problem in _House._ So much wide-eyed looks it feels unnerving. But otherwise she's a fine actress.
@@pacershark452 Erm...she's constantly worked since and just directed a very successful movie (Booksmart), so I'm not sure you've been paying much attention.
@@pacershark452 Go and make one then...let's see how good it is.
Man, some people are deluded.
Olivia was amazing in this. Not enough dialogue but she looked great imo.
Fun fact: The cinematographer for this movie is Claudio Miranda, a frequent collaborator of Joseph Kosinski that has indeed worked with David Fincher as the cinematographer for "The Curious Case of Benjamin Button".
What's so fun about that
@@joaquinverdun2560 It's more fun than anything you've ever said
And David Fincher was an effects guy.
Wow that's actually pretty neat!
B to the P how do you know that
My favorite line is after CLU asks, "Am I still to create the perfect system?", and Flynn kind of considers, and says, "....yeah?"
The two bits that grate with me are the security guard scene on the top on Encom Tower, and the taxi scene when Sam lands on it. A guy lands on your cab, so you immediately speed up and swerve, shouting "No free ride!"
After that, it gets good. I do really like this movie. Sam lives in a Dumont shipping container, Kevin still has his Bit. I like the recurrence of reflection in the computer world.
I was 16 when I saw this movie in the cinema in 1982, I had only played a bit with my brother's Spectrum (yes personal computers were a thing even all the way back then) and had no trouble understanding the premise or the setup of the movie. It's really not that complicated or difficult to grasp. I also really liked the movie.
I really enjoyed reading your comment
Yep. There’s a kind of snobbishness of people who weren’t alive back then or too young. Some of their comments were really misinformed. It’s like they wanted to shit in the movie without giving it a fair try.
I was 8 in 1982, and I don't think I had any trouble with it either. I also loved the movie out of the gate and continue to love it, and Legacy, and Uprising, and the Tron 2.0 video game (enough to leave a comment a year after it would have been relevant)! Guess I'm part of that cult....
@@taejaskudva2543 Apperantly, Tony 3 has the go ahead...
20:59 "The look of everything" *cuts to Olivia Wilde* Jay is truly a man of culture.
I'm surprised they didn't talk more about her
I was pretty distracted watching this movie, gotta say.
@@_lithp The sequel to that Stephen Hawking movie. Laurence Casdan rumored to write.
jack is married and jay is a homosexual
Olivia Wilde never looked better.
Every once in a while I still remember the greatest exchange ever from Tron Legacy
"Am I still the creator of the perfect system?!"
"...yeah?"
We busted a gut in the theater at that line
Part Time
I love that delivery. It’s perfect for Kevin Flynn, but also hilarious.
Isn't the line "Am I still to create the perfect system?"
god i wish tron legacy got a sequel. i really do genuinely love that movie. it's so nice to look at and the world deserves expansion.
Wendy Carlos’ soundtrack to the first movie was always a highlight of that film. It fits the weird and alien environment of the world they were trying to create. Daft Punk definitely knocked it out of the park with Legacy but don’t shade Wendy!
I've just seen the original TRON and enjoyed it. Jay saying that the score might have worked with a big name composer behind it. This was Carlos's first score since doing The Shining- how much "bigger" can you get!?
@@chriscorben-green2640 literally stopped watching after the wendy diss lmao
@@trashcannn971 "Someone that was really good with synths". lol Literally the first musician to ever having recorded using a moog prototype.
@@pauraba5621 They´re clueless.
I wasn't aware of who the composer was, or with the soundtrack previous to watching this. But I did hear that "bad" snippet and was just like "wow, that sounds fucking awesome" and immediately had to go find the soundtrack.
They just don't seem to really like any "out there" music, no matter how good. Probably Josh would have something to say about it.
Mandalorian and Tron Re:Views huh? Sounds like someone got a hold of Rich Evans password to Disney plus
To be fair, soon all media products will be Disney products
Frank Merker unfortunately you may just be right
The Nerd Crew is not a parody, it turns out
It’s ok rich just used a credit card he found in the parking lot
@@AltoStratusX1 +1
Hacks! The helicopter shot in the opening sequence is echoed by the moment when the Recognizer finds him after entering the grid! Frauds!
Yeah, they kinda dropped the ball on that obvious reference.
Nice to see i'm not the only one who thought of this.
I thought the same... Did they really whached Tron Legacy?
@Suffer No Fools Maybe they whacked Tron Legacy?
Yeah lol I thought that's what they were gonna' liken it to.
The scene where the kid shows up at the old arcade and there's 80s music blasting ambiently, I felt so comfey. This movie is a brilliant gnostic epic, the audience Disney targeted neither deserved nor enjoyed it. The Isos are basically pre-flood humanity.
It’s quite interesting the way these movies behave. When I watch original Tron, it’s like a wave of nostalgia and a glimpse into the romanticism of 1980’s Hollywood. Then Legacy comes out and it’s a philosophical deconstruction of the concept of a digital Earth, with concepts of religion, philosophy, and history all throughout it. They’re both of course still silly, dumb action movies in a fantastical setting, but those themes make it stay in your head for a while.
Tron Legacy occupies a large portion of my childhood film memory. I still laugh with my brother when anyone says "yeah" and it reminds us of the way Jeff Bridges says it. Biodigital jazz, man.
Tron fights for the users, yet nobody fights for Tron?
I feel like someone should be defending these movies! I’ll gladly volunteer.
There are people doing just that. There’s just not a lot of them.
I tell everyone to go watch Tron.
@@TheAlienGangster nah, it’s got enough to make a clear difference on these comments at least.
My dad showed me Tron when I was 4 years old, it blew my fucking mind. We went to see Tron Legacy when it came out together and had a great time. Love you Dad
e: thanks for kind comments everyone. my dad is a really great guy and a true scifi nerd. he loves this cult movie stuff. the story of tron isn't much to write home about but it does paint a picture of a much bigger world with its own customs and needs, and that's what captivated my mind 25 years ago. it still does. fingers crossed that someday we get more wonderful weird Tron stuff.
Very wholesome. Love this.
Yeah, this whole review ignores the fact that TRON was designed as a kids' franchise, and wasn't designed to appeal to adults.
Love you too!
That's lovely
I really enjoyed Tron Legacy. I wish they would have followed it up with another film.
Tron is sci-fi candy and a delight for any science fiction fan, both for novel and film fans of the genre.
THANK YOU FOR THIS. This movie is a big hit in our family. You hit most of the highlights. Its worth stressing how cool the father/son/father's creation/father's self-manifesting creation dynamics are (yes, they could have been explored more). I'd also say that the fact Legacy doesn't fit a traditional narrative/hero structure is a strength - Its its own thing.
Few more neat things you didnt mention:
- Another Star Wars moment: "I am *not* your father, Sam."
- The parallel between Flynn's speech in flashback to shareholders vs Clu's speech to his troops. "In there is a new world/out there is a new world."
- It could have played as a cheesy Hollywood moment, but when Sam returns to save Quorra near the end, they're about to jump from the platform, she says "its too far, you'll never make it," and he jumps and lands and says "made it." It calls back to their introduction when she jumps the car out of the grid. A potentially cheesy callback is heightened by the direction, the score and the understated delivery of the line, making it a legitimately goosebump inducing moment.
- My 5 yr old loves both Tron and Legacy and insists that he will someday make Tron 3. Check back in in 25 years...
Almost Fun fact: TRON is the thing you used to write in old computers to see the line numbers as a program was running, for debugging.
I thought it was from elecTRONic. I learned something new. And this is one of the only times I disagreed with them too. I must be part of the cult 😅
It IS from elecTRONic. But what the OG poster said was true as well.
That's cool since Tron is essentially a CheckSum program to make sure programs are doing what they are supposed to do. Hence why he's such a risk to the MCP.
There's a lot of computer jargon in the movie. Flynn says "scuzzi data"- scuzzi was a hard disk type. "Bring out the logic probe"- logic probes test circuits in chips. TRace ON has been sorted. IO towers refer to input-output busses. Frankly, I think that the movie was just over the head of the audience. They didn't understand a lot of the jokes and they didn't understand that they were seeing a brand new way of doing movie effects that would eventually replace practical effects like Trumbell used for Blade Runner.
The director says in the DVD commentary that it's short for electron.
The soundtrack to Tron: Legacy is one of the best I've ever heard
THE BEST!!!!!
It truly is, good call
Agree 1000%
Duh! Its freaking Daft Punk
It is the best. I was blown away
Tron is a masterpiece in my mind - visually visionary and absolutely incredible and beautiful designs, not ugly! But I worked professionally with 3D graphics so I am biased.
And knowledgeable.
My only professional knowledge is a little art training and I think it's a very interesting world in both movies. I actually really liked the aesthetic of the first one. But I do like pretty weird and out there stuff generally
It shocked me when they called the original Tron ugly. It all became clear when he confessed his love for Marvel movies. This is generation gap at work.
I absolutely love and care about Tron.
"Nobody cares about Tron", my arse!!
Unfortunately the numbers say otherwise
That’s all these big companies listen to, any other feedback seems to be just background noise, good or bad.
Movies are made to reach as much people as possible and we all know what the average Joe is like
Tron probably could’ve been big again, but Disney practically gave up on marketing Uprising and didn’t see much value in the franchise after Legacy.
THANK YOU
13:50 The score for Tron was written by Wendy Carlos, who had also scored A Clockwork Orange and The Shining. A Clockwork Orange in particular makes great use of synthesizers.
The moog-synth opening to A Clockwork Orange gives me chills every time. Wendy Carlos is a pro.
I actually liked the soundtrack of the original. Wasn't earth-shattering or dramatic like a John Williams orchestra, but it fit the mood of the film to a "t."
Just listened to a new Moog/Flying Lotus collab that came out 3 days ago! Flying Lotus made a film "Building Your World", animated by House, scored using the the 2-note paraphonic analog synthesizer "Subsequent 25".
I couldn't believe they trashed on pretty much every aspect of the original film but Jack saying the score is awful legit made me mad 😣
It's not just the soundtrack to A Clockwork Orange, the music was initially published in 1968 on Switched-On Bach, one of the most influential electronic albums ever published.
My brother and I made the three hour drive to the nearest IMAX to see Tron: Legacy. It's still the best theater experience that I've ever had.
closest thing I've seen to a Daft Punk concert
That openin' sprawl was awesome!
I made a similar drive to an IMAX with my Dad, brother, and sister. Agree on the experience. I've resisted seeing the movie again because I'm afraid it will diminish my memories. The closest I've gotten is listening to the soundtrack over and over.
I took a bus and then the metro to the biggest theater in Taipei for that movie. I’ll never forget it. I still love both movies.
24:45 The very first time "Rinzler" spoke during the disk fight, and said the word "user", you could tell it was Bruce Boxleitner's voice. I remember thinking, well, looks like Tron turned bad somehow.
Tron looks awesome
Agree.
That's about the long and short of it
It's about family, and that's what's so powerful about it
29:22 was always my favourite part of the movie. When CLU asks why Flynn Tricked him, and Flynn Responds "He's my son!"
The hurt look, the unspoken "And I'm not?" from CLU always gets me. Really glad it was brought up here.
Tron had 3 major impacts on entertainment:
#1 - the light cycle scenes inspired John Lasseter to further develop cgi and eventually create Pixar.
#2 - WHENEVER a piece of fiction goes into cyberspace, it almost always looks exactly like the Tron World.
#3 - Tron Lines are a staple of sci-fi tech now.
Also Tron genuinely paved the way for cgi films
I would love to see the effect used to create the original 1982 Tron world, but recreated using modern technology. Like, we don't need to use high contrast film anymore, and computers should be able to recreate the layering process that was used rather effortlessly. Imagine a true remastering of Tron in this way.
Lasseter never created Pixar though, it was originally a division of Lucasfilm
Jay should totally watch the Tron: Uprising cartoon if he likes to hang out in the world of Tron: Legacy. It takes its visual cues and atmosphere and pairs it with a really stylized cartoon look that gives the show a unique vibe
Have to disagree about the original's soundtrack. Wendy Carlos was a pioneer in electronic music and used both traditional orchestral and synthesized movements to create a blend , or perhaps even a clash, of the real and digital worlds. I think it worked very well for the type of movie Tron is. It's different in all aspects. It's not a traditional blockbuster, it isn't really action, drama, sci-fi, a "family" adventure, or comedy. It has elements of each, but never really commits to any one genre. It's unique and odd and most definitely not for everyone. The score, in my opinion, matches it perfectly. Granted, I think her work for A Clockwork Orange is stronger, but the opening theme is iconic. Yeah, I know, I'm biased. I'm a big Wendy Carlos fan, going back to stumbling upon my parents' "Switched on Bach" album when I was a child. I've been a fan ever since and find something interesting in all of her compositions. Oh, and the soundtrack for Legacy is awesome in it's own right. I mean, come on, it's Daft Punk. There's nothing more that needs to be said. Just listen and you'll understand how great they are.
I saw the original 'Tron' in the cinema when it came out, and still have a soft spot for it. Yes, the flaws are evident (and were back then), but what a warm glow of nostalgia whenever I see a scene.
My experience and sentiment, entirely. What J&J fail to appreciate is, how novel CGI were, back in the day. I saw that movie several times, just for the 10 minutes of computer imagery.
saw it in encino california when i came out. that night all i could do is think about getting glow in the dark stickers
The movie is extremely DEEP
Also you have to consider it within the context of it's era
I saw Tron in the drive-in... the last drive-in around my immediate area that was still in business at the time. I think it survived until '84 or '85. Anyways, saw Tron on a double feature with either Star Trek 3 or Last Starfighter... can't remember which... but basically every time we went to the drive in it was a double feature of a current new release and something that was released the year or two before.
Anyways, I remember liking it at the time... and yea... it is a little dull in hindsight, but as a 9 or 10 year old I was just amazed by the concept of being sucked into a computer world.
RLM needs to do a review of Dredd if they’re talking about underrated sci-fi action films of the last ten years.
Half in the bag - episode 39
I am the Law IN the HOUUUuuuuse
dragons123ism no joke I literally remembered that like ten minutes after posting that last night. Maybe an update video since 8 years have passed would be cool, maybe not idk.
@@personofpinterest4281 But it wasn't a re:View :) It definitely needs more attention.
Posting just to reiterate how good Dress was.
THANK YOU GUYS SO MUCH! I was part of the audience and my butt still hurts. It’s very refreshing to hear someone speak positively about my butt.
Listening to this conversation was like listening to two star wars fans talking about how much they loved Jar-Jar and the prequels. It blows me away how much they didn't "get".
Yeah, after 30 seconds I decided to scroll down to the comments where the real love is, and leave the video to it's own devices.
"They're selling Tron action figures in the toy isles at wallgreens!"
Well, SOMETHING had to take the space that Star Wars toys aren't using anymore?
Can’t wait til Nerd Box starts repurposing Rey, Finn, and Poe action figures for upcoming Marvel films
Star Wars action figures are already warming all the shelves anyway.
Speaking of the score for "Tron", Jay asserts it would be better if the score was by "someone better with synthesizers".
The score for "Tron" is by Wendy Carlos.
Oh wow. I haven't gotten that far because I had to take a break after Jack said the score sucked.
How embarrassing.
Is it any good though? I don't quite remember ...
Yeah I've never disagreed more with them on a topic. The score of the OG Tron is fantastic
Right. I can't believe they could dislike the score, it's amazing.
@Mm Mm Wendy Carlos is the synthesizer music pioneer who composed the score for "A Clockwork Orange" and "The Shining"
Jay has no idea what life was like back in 1983. An enormous amount of kids were exposed to computers back then.
"This came out like the same year as Blade Runner...?"
Syd Mead designed both movies. Moebius also worked on Tron, and Blade Runner was heavily inspired by Moebius's comic "The Long Tomorrow"
"adorable that a company that makes videogames went on to make software and get government contracts" nervously glances towards John Carmacks direction
"It's dark vaporWARE"
Sorta like Tron 3
lol jack knows his shit man
Noice
Such a shame, would have loved to see Tron 3. Who knows in 20 more years Legacy will be 30 and we might get it then.🤭
Tron was used well in kindgdom hearts 2. They contextualized the world well within the story. And the polished-up visuals looked really nice on ps2. It goes to show that Tron makes a way better videogame than a movie
I don't care what anyone says, Tron Legacy is one of the best sci-fi movies ever. I have never been more interested in living in a movie's world than Tron Legacy. I would love to leave on the Grid.
The original TRON was really neat when it came out. Jay can bag on it all he wants, but I still like it.
Disagree to an extent. I still get chills down my spine from the sound of the 1982 light cycle scene ....
The original movie had a lot of faults, but the visuals at the time were awe inspiring.
It really dared to be different, and all these years later nothing has quite had the same look or feel.
One of the brilliant things about Tron was that the French illustrator/comic artist Moebius did much of the concept design which is what gave it its very unique look.
I was nine years old when this movie came out. I think people of later generations don't understand the mystery that surrounded computers, much less the idea of a virtual world. Computers were just coming into widespread use. It was one of my favorite movies. I laugh at it now, but I still have a soft spot for it. It's a true artifact of its time.
@@JoeLeasure Syd Meade as well
@@melanieenmats Yup. Also, the chubby accountant playing jai alai looks more striking to me than the "epic disc battle" clip. The original's glowing animation effect is unique in a way the sequel fails to manage. I had the same response at 33:27 when the title sequences were juxtaposed. The original takes the viewer into an alien reality, whereas the sequel just looks like drone footage of Vancouver.
Spot on review as always, I was one of the 48 people that saw this in the theater. Been a dork for it ever since. It was this instead of The Thing as I could not convince mom to take me to that when I was 13. Thank you for being so good at your reviews. My youtube heroes.
Loved Tron when it came out and still do! Thank you for talking about it!!!
Love both Tron movies, I was 13 when the first one came out and was mesmerised by how different it was, the idea of a digital civilisation living within an analogue world blew me away. It was quite brave and experimental of Disney to produce such movie at the time and really should be applauded for pushing technological envelope within the confines of a live action movie even though the final product was flawed. Tron Legacy was an excellent sequel with an amazing soundtrack and the whole production was very respectful to the original.
Exactly
No matter how respectful it was, it isn't a good film... Don't get me wrong I love the visuals but it's a mess...
Yes. When it came out it was visually stunning and creatively unique. Comparing it to Blade Runner is just plain wrong. The concept of a digital world creation was way ahead of its time in a pre Windows era. When I saw the Matrix I immediately thought of Tron and knew that the makers ran with the idea. I guess its a case of "you had to be there" where home computers just started out and whole new outlook of ideas and imaginations opened up that had no rules yet. The late seventies and early eighties was game changer in terms of technology.
It really was. The obvious way to go was to make something like “Pixels”. But instead Disney basically invented cyberspace, had the inhabitants of this nested world treat their remote users as deities, contacted using the I/O Tower temples, introduced the first use of a data weapon (trojan/virus), hypothesized an expanding malevolent AI and cemented the word “user” in popular culture. (Prior to “Tron” the phrases “computer operator” and “computerist” were just as common. After Tron it’s just “user”.)
In terms of introducing novel concepts to pop culture it’s almost without peer as a sci fi movie.
Alistair Walsh It isn’t a mess, beyond perhaps being an adult sci fi story being marketed to kids (very common for Disney in this era).
Since this was the late seventies-early eighties, I feel like Disney was trying to create their own Star Wars franchise in terms of scope and state of the arts visuals for the time...and than after Tron: Legacy failed they just said screw it and opened their wallets to buy SW.
Then not than
Correct me if I’m wrong, but I’m pretty sure that’s exactly what happened with Lucasfilm when making the first Star Wars movie but just flipped. George Lucas wanted buy the rights to make a Flash Gordon movie but couldn’t get them, so he said screw it and made his own Flash Gordon. Amazing how we’ve practically come full circle
@Spit Dragon It's a shame the previous generation spends its time saying how bad the next generation is and reducing their opportunities for the future. I wonder how it felt when the previous generation looked down on yours.
@Spit Dragon He used their correctly.
@Spit Dragon dude, power down.
My experience of seeing Tron was in the movie theater at nine years old. It was one of the most influential movies of my lifetime behind Star Wars. The effects and imagination that went into that film were groundbreaking.
Tron Uprising was kind of becoming a bit too... Critical if that makes sense. They put it on progressively worse time slots and then removed it altogether. The show was slated to be really successful, although the art style was a bit experiential (making it more appealing to older audiences). Definitely worth a watch as the actor for Tron voices himself and Elijah wood plays Beck, the main character. Lovely show 🥰
I'm gonna be honest, I really dig the look of the oringal tron. White jumpsuits and all.
@@Troublechutor Ditto.
@@Troublechutor Don't get me wrong I think it has aged a lot, but I kinda like that about it. it gives off a super nerdy charm while still having some unqiue environments and design.
@@Troublechutor Exactly- sfx in it aged nicelly and have kept their unique character/look, as opossed to almost every other SF, where special effects just look poor quality.
I saw Tron 1 in the theatre when I was 7 years old, and it was quite a spectacle. There was nothing like it. Computer-generated imagery in a movie was amazing. The score by Wendy Carlos was the perfect mix of synth and orchestra. The melodies are very memorable.
The soundtrack to the original Tron was phenomenal. There is so much creativity - dissonance fused to the melodic - and there are choices made that challenge me, yet keep me grounded in musical conventions. The composer took chances and it was refreshing to hear what she came up with. It was beautiful, haunting, weird, inspiring, and classic.
Yes... another shocking comment from them. Terrible music? Carlos made a score that sounded like a computer composed it, which was the point! These guys are all just pinning for another Marvel movie. There are lots around, go watch one instead.
@@vomithaus1 Wendy Carlos: "Not good with synths" -- these guys 😆
@@CobyBassett rewatching this again and not remembering just how far off base they are. On the other hand their complaints about 'slow moving' and 'confusing' coupled with 'not clichéd enough' kind of explains the decline in sci fi movies in general.
I LOVE TRON. I am happy they made a sequel. Fantasy movies are usually misunderstood, but it that kind of creative thinking that inspires others. Thank you for EVERYBODY who created this imaginative wonderful movie.
"Dark vaporware"
that's what my underwear turns into when I fart
"we'll fix it in post"
I was around 8 when I saw tron on tv and it blew my little mind. It was such a catalyst for my imagination. I fantasized about being in the Tron world for months afterwards. I had a frisbee that I pretended was a light disk and an old refrigerator box that was my light cycle. I went on many adventures.
Ever since seeing Tron as a kid, I've always seen frisbees as light discs.
This. Same.
Me too. I remember playing the Tron arcade. It wasn’t“ugly” back then. It was “awe inspiring” in the style of computers at that time which was intentional. I’m surprised they can’t see that. Then again they think pcs didn’t exist back then.
Well said....I had the same experience!
I think TRON Legacy is one of my personal inspirations for a minimalist, futuristic designs as an artist as I often find myself doing something similar into the pages and I just love it so much
I find the first TRON infinitely interesting. On pretty much every level (apart from its story or even its plot), this film is bold and tries to do something absolutely unprecedented. And that's even true for the score. Granted, it's not film music you "like" to listen to, but it actually works pretty well in conjunction with the visuals. It's a statement in and of itself, showing that in the computer world of the Grid, the rules are different, and so the score also tries not to follow established rules for musical harmony and traditional film scores. Weaved together with the visuals, the film gets a very unique texture that I find incredibly fascinating and that wouldn't have worked nearly as well with more traditional film music. In essence, the film - for better or worse - is built as vehicle for this very tapestry, and not much else.
And then, TRON Legacy comes along and remembers this very concept and elevates it to perfection. Daft Punk's soundtrack becomes this additional facet of visuals and the world-building and the Grid itself, it's amazing. The soundtrack elevates the whole film, which is quite okay, to a whole new level of perfection, creating such a rich and intense atmosphere that complements not only the world but also the action.
tron legacy is ok, I liked it.
also, it's "funny" how back then when tron 1 came out it was considered "cheating" because they used computers for the effects, and now everything is cgi.
@@testtube173 Tron didn't get nominated for an Oscar for special effects because they deemed using CGI as "cheating".
I mean these days the default is CGI, practical effects are the alternative or special choice, like "ooooh, look at that director!, he uses practical effects!". most mainstream blockbuster movies use CGI for almost everything, and the oscars give awards to those movies, they don't think it's cheating.
It wasn't cheating. Having computer generated graphics was sort of the point of the film.
The franchise made for a pretty dope Kingdom Hearts level.
Dude that's all I was thinking about.
And that's what they were going for.
One of my favorite KH levels for sure.
Same thing I was thinking. I was like "it didn't look that bad" when they were talking about how ugly the movie was. And then I realized that I was remembering Kingdom Hearts 2
Kingdom Hearts is an abomination unto the Lord
Saw Tron the summer it came out in 1982! Loved it! On the big screen it was incredible!
I adore Tron: Legacy
I always thought I was a little too young for OG Tron, but I did see it at the movies, and I remember there being a lot of hype about it at the time.
so, maybe seeing it on a big screen as a kid, set me up to love it. rather than being older, watching on TV.
good fun movies
1000% not boring. :-)
I've always thought that TRON: Legacy is what a Green Lantern movie should look and feel like. The way the light constructs work, the score, the glowing suits.
Love the idea!
Ugh you’re so fucking right
Yeah it's a shame the actual Green Lantern movie was trash. Tron Legacy is unironically a lil' bit of a gem in my opinion.
I thought the original TRON and Flash Gordon score was what a Green Lantern score should be.
Man, being a massive Green Lantern and Dark Tower fan turned out awfully for me movie-wise :D
It needs to be somewhere between Star Wars and Guardians of the Galaxy with, as much as they'd get it wrong, some sort of X-Men/Police Academy/Men In Black style headquarters parts to build characters. bit of funny, bit of drama and show the massive amount of alien GL members. I'd prefer a series, and honestly, if they were to put out a cheap series...I'd prefer a cartoon series.
But yea, definitely agree that they could pull it off if they used the score and graphic style of Legacy. Good shout!
That hidden Mickey 38:33 always gave me the chills for some reason.
Wow, that's fucking scary. I came to this comment like 3 seconds before they showed that, too.
Oh God, I've never noticed that
Tron Legacy was one of the best theater going experiences I've ever had. I saw it in 3D which actually added to the overall experience. The immersive visuals and sound effects were insane on the big screen. The Daft Punk score is incredible - "Fall" is one of my favorites, especially extended edits. Thanks for the discussion!
Tron visuals are actually pretty cool even now...
"These movies aren't very good"
*Talks for 40 minutes about how good the movies are*
Never change, RLM.
Good/decent is not the same as very good... Is not a must watch but if you see me you're probably won't mind them. That's what I get
"I like the visuals."
"it has a good premise"
Yes, but the movie...
"I like the visuals"
"If you read the back of the box..."
Yes, but the movie...
that's not what they're saying.
It's possible to enjoy something unironically while acknowledging that it's not very good. That said, they say outright that they think the original Tron is boring and ugly. They appreciated some of the visuals and the premise.
They liked the second one but they pretty clearly didn't like the first one.
I had a Sark action figure. Only Sark. He had to have his adventures with my Star Wars action figures.
Before the original Tron was released, a book version was released. And it must have been based on a previous version of the script. The programs all had very human and often humorous personalities. The only programs who behaved like the ones we see in the movies were the ones in the Yori scene, starved for energy. And the "bits" were very different as well. They could answer in any affirmative or negative phrase. The one I remember was "You betcha!"
They had a more lively, fun movie. And in my opinion, they rewrote it to make everyone more robotic is because the must have thought that the audience wouldn't understand otherwise.
The BEST part of the Tron franchise is, ironically, Tron: Uprising.
It's so incredibly good and underrated
really? it has a tron helicopter it looks fucking bad, but i havent seen it
@@santiagogallego8695 The style takes a minute to get into, as is kinda true with every part of the Tron franchise. But once you get into it it's honestly pretty good.
It's a great show. The concept design of that show was by Alberto Mielgo, who also did a lot of the concept designs for Into the Spider-Verse (before they unceremoniously canned him). He also has a short in season 1 of Love Death & Robots on Netflix.
The original “Tron” is one of the most audacious and influential pieces of cinema sci-fi ever made. And that’s even WITH it being a box-office flop. Same is true of Blade Runner which came out the same month. The *ideas* it's playing with, for the time, and the way it reifies them...it's incredible for 1982.
When you're talking about the quality of movies from 1982, it's a REALLY high bar. You have to remember some of the other films released in 1982, which overshadow Tron by a mile, especially in modern conversations: Blade Runner, ET, Wrath of Khan, Poltergeist, Officer and a Gentleman, Conan the Barbarian, Creepshow, Dark Crystal, Fast Times at Ridgemont High, First Blood, The Thing, and many others. Tron wasn't nominated for a VFX Oscar, but the nominees were ET, Blade Runner, and Poltergeist. That's a pretty heady group.
@Spit Dragon there was no _Star Wars_ movie released in 1982. _Empire_ was two years earlier, and _Jedi_ was the following year.
ok boomer
@@RedHeadKevin Keep in mind TRONs usage of CGI was considered cheating in 1982, thus deliberately not nominated by the Academy.
@@RedHeadKevin Sigh. Read my post again. I'm not talking about the quality of movies from 1982 qua movies. I'm talking about the IDEAS that Tron presents, most of which were completely new to cinema audiences in 1982. Virtual worlds. Cyberspace. Data weapons. The simulation hypothesis, with users as gods. Tron is a pioneering cyberpunk film two years before Neuromancer came out. It even cemented the word "user" in the culture as the standard term for a computer operator. Most people too young to see it when it came out will have no understanding of this, because they grew up in a world where the ideas it was playing with became part of the cultural landscape.
Finally, someone speaking the truth about that Endgame fight scene...
I knew i didn't like it for some reason, but couldn't put my finger on it... yeah, its all brown dirt and looks like crap, that is exactly it. Every other fight at least had a somewhat normal backdrop.
It doesn't look that bad, there are some neat shot (especially at The Assembly) but yeah it's not great either
As for the broader criticism on cinematography Patrick Williams made a video on that, and they pretty much fixed that problem with the Feige administration, after Doctor Strange
Movies like Ragnarok or Infinity War look a lot more vibrant
@@Louie_The_Dago I mean, what's the point of any franchise then? You always know they are going to win. The criticism doesn't really hold up either cause Infinity War they suffer a major and shocking loss
Yeah, I like the movie. And as they said, everything is really clear even though it's chaotic; even though it's "this happened and this happened and then this happened" we know what happened. Compared to some other blockbusters like Transformers where it's like "who did that? Wait how is he there? I know it's robot A vs robot B, but who's winning?" But that final fight scene IS aesthetically ugly. It reminds me of a game that was modded to REMOVE a green/brown filter and the game looked a lot more colorful and interesting.
@@kristoffer8609 but not HOW. That was the mystery.
Jul 7th 2020: "Disney confirms that ‘Tron 3’ is officially in development." cue OHH MYY GAAAWWD
First place I went to after reading that news was to this video. Hope it gets reviewed with its own Half in the Bag video...whenever the movie comes.
Still not green lit yet. I still remember how Tron Ascension was “in development” and never happened.
And they'll fuck it up
According to IMDb: possible release date dec 19 2025.
Idk why but watching any Tron content is just so satisfying. Maybe it plays to the unconscious and our constant search for patterns in things... anyone else?
You guys must be kidding!
The graphics in Tron back in the day was awesome. Just like Last Starfighter.
Both movies were great. I remember my classmates were glued to the TV when we watched this in school. I thank my teachers for their great taste.
To understand the excitement, those movies both should be compared with computer/console/arcade games of the day--not other movies.
Not only the CG but the amazing neon look of the world and its Moebius designs.
RLM: “You can’t get any more blood out of this stone”
Disney: “We are gonna build a Tron rollercoaster at Disney World!”
There is one in japan @Cullan Shine
@@space-cigarettes *Shanghai
@@TorontoJon theres one in shanghai disneyland and it looks cool as fuck
@@TorontoJon They're building one out behind Space Mountain in Orlando.
@@RedHeadKevin Awesome!!
Me at 6 years old "this is awesome"
These guys "nothing makes sense, it's so boring! No one understands this".
Me at 6 in the 80s "let's rent Tron from the grocery store again!"
I love you guys buy you're such crotchety curmudgeons sometimes.
It's almost like this video probably should have been given to Mike and Rich, the guys that _don't_ hate sci-fi.
@@DistractedGlobeGuy It is also almost like the original Tron, a film which I enjoy and have watched multiple times, is slow and plodding and poorly explained in many places.
@@tomkrawec yeah but they just shit on the movie completely. It has redeeming features that can be appreciated in context as you have enjoyed. They also Think that no one had a PC back then, or that no one would understand the movie because of the computer terminology.
California Adventure had a nightly festival for a while called ElecTRONica that was sick as hell, along with a nine-minute preview in the Muppets Theater that was absolutely breathtaking. That soundtrack with a theater sound system, and those visuals on a huge screen are just a joy. And the festival itself, complete with DJs, dancers, light shows, and more, was a blast.
I must be a real weirdo, because I always liked “Tron,” even as a kid back then and still like it. And I don’t have Disney+, but I do have both movies on BD.
Same. Tron is kinda the fault of why I am into IT.
Yep me too guys.....l think RLM are being a little poefaced about this tbh
Shaun O'Shea you've got to remember that good movies scare and confuse the RLM guys. They can only 100% understand and recommend schlock.
It's vtmb all over again ;__
Yup. Tron Rocks. Bunch of Hack frauds running this show.
One thing I'd disagree on with the original Tron is its pacing or explanation of things. The movie has a dreamy, surreal mood and motif and sticks to it. It begins in total darkness, at night. Even in the real world, settings and characters emerge slowly from the shadows. From there, the real and electronic worlds are mixed and cut between in a way that enhances the dreamlike feeling. It is telling that the final shot at the end of the film, in the real world, is at dawn as the sun is rising. There is a feeling of waking up from a long sleep. (This progression and motif is preserve in the sequel, obviously.)
The original film stands the test of time precisely because it doesn't try to overexplain things. It remains open to interpretation. The electronic world's abstract aesthetic, by accident of history at least, became timeless. The look of Tron's computer world is essentially cultural shorthand for "virtual reality" and "mathematical", digital landscapes. Retro 80s nostalgia probably helps sell the movie better today than when it was released!
The final shot in "Tron" is actually a time-lapsed shot of the sun setting (rather than rising) over the cityscape of L.A. It's there to show the parallels between our world and The System, with energy and information flowing around in both.
Also, am I the only one who thinks there's a certain charm to super-early CGI? Check out the "Sexy Robot" commercial for another example.
I think that aesthetic (in the right context) looks cool.
@@TetsuDeinonychus I studied to be a 3D CG artist (though wound up not going into the industry) and I totally agree. There's more personality there than today's hyper-real aesthetic.
No comparison between Tron: Legacy and Star Wars can be complete without pointing out that Luke's arc in The Last Jedi is basically the same as Kevin Flynn's here.
One word:
Paul Verhoeven's 1990 Directorial Masterpiece "Total Recall" totally deserves a re:View.
Good news!
11 words.
I will never forget when I saw Tron Legacy for the first time back in 2010. It blew my mind and up to this day, I love that movie to death.
Me too
Same
samesies
Right there with ya.
yep, saved my life
The score was done by Wendy Carlos, who composed The Shining.
score in a clockwork orange doeeeeeeee
“Someone good with synth stuff” I wonder if he knows
Andrew Hawkins ha “good with synth stuff” just means “the ominous tones I like”...
@@a.b.hawkins They clearly are oblivious. The fact that one of the is supposedly a game reviewer and doesn't "get" Tron, makes it one notch more cringeworthy
@@benjaminsantiagosstuff you wanna hear good synth stuff you just listen to baroque hoedown by they might be giants..alll over the spectrum..used to listen to it when i was a child and it probably was one of the songs i ever listened to that inspired me to be a music producer..such intricate sound design for just a little disney tune in a disneymania album
Goddamn, this movie is so good and unbelievably re-watchable. I must have seen it 30 times and listened to it 100 times, just vibing in the background.
Jay watching a ww2 movie with a air raid/dog fight scene: "this is just like star wars!"