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Australia to vote in historic Indigenous Voice referendum
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 12 ต.ค. 2023
- Australians are being asked to decide whether to amend their constitution in an historic referendum. The question? Whether or not to recognise the country's original inhabitants and establish a body to advise parliament on issues that concern the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander population.
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Some say 'The Voice' referendum is a symbolic gesture that won't offer real change if successful, others have campaigned that it's a 'once in a generation opportunity for recognition'.
Ahead of the historic vote, Indigenous activist and filmmaker Ben Abbatangelo, reports.
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Funny how with the exception of Sky news on youtube no Australian news channels allow comments???????????
I noticed this
Extremely disturbing for me as an Australian that our media are so biased and censor any truth that may dilute their false arguments. Thank goodness for Sky news.
It has been like that for years. God forbid someone might say something contrary in their comment section. Can't have that.
Every state voted NO. Good on you Australia for not falling for the racist card
Aboriginals have voting rights. So they already have a voice to parliament. Just like every other Australian. Giving a certain ethnic group the right to have a ' special advisory committee' to parliament while other groups don't get that right is discriminatory and the Aussies rightfully rejected that.
Thats what happened when the europeans conquered Australia,the lives of Austrians have been built if the exclusion of aboriginies hence the huge illegally gained estates all over the country
No , australia racis😂😂😂😂
@@jackholman5008 so because it happened before it should happen again?
@@Boutros6 no but atleast aknowledge it and offer reparations like with the jews than act your in the position your in because your better
@@jackholman5008 I’m a second generation Aussie, do I get reparations for the trauma my Lebanese grandparents had to go through during the Lebanese civil war? Or it only applies to a select Aussie ethnicity?
To those who think voting "No" would be racist, how can it be racist to vote against a motion that would distinguish one group of people on the basis of their race?
... exactly.
Basis of: they were there first, everyone keeps their garden, win-win
@@magic_toaster8510 ... there is not a single country, continent or land on earth that hasn't been invaded and conquered, at one point or another.
Should I, as a decendant of Britain expect "reparations" from modern Rome, or Germany, because they invaded England 1000 years ago? ...
Your proposition is absurd.
All that matters is that modern Australia, under its Constitution, recognises ALL Aussies as equals, under the Law.
And that, it does. ... 😉
Because we already do mate. Laws allow us to dig up the crown land that nobody other than the original inhabitants have claim to. We still say nobody owns it. Is 60,000 years is not good enough to you for a land claim, yeah, you're racist.
Gave back Australia to Aborigines and Torres Islander! Do what you preach to others!
Colloquially known as Alice Springs? You mean officially called Alice Springs.
That was very sneaky
Truth is that most indigenous are not disadvantaged. There are some who live in remote communities who do live in abject poverty. For decades the government has provided up to $37 billion a year to hundreds of indigenous organisations and the money never seems to get where it is needed. These organisations refuse to be audited. Some of our biased media SBS, even suggest it inappropriate for these organisations to be audited as they see it as an accusation and insult. Clearly due diligence and professionalism is something they have not been taught.
They have an elected indigenous Minister for Indigenous Affairs whose job is to listen to concerns and help them. She currently claims she can't help without a Voice in the constitution.
The authors of the Voice are militant activists who have been demanding reparations for decades.
Anyone identifying as indigenous in Australia gets free education, free university and free medical.
It is the activists who live in urban cities that use the disadvantaged as leverage to demand more money. They already control 50% or so of Australia with indigenous land councils
Problem with the voice is. Our Prime Minister refuses to provide the terms and conditions of the voice before the referendum. We don't know the consequences of a voice enshrined in the constitution. Voting yes is like signing a blank contract.
There is no problem recognising indigenous people in the constitution. But putting a voice in the constitution that can make representations to the parliament and executive is not advisable. If they feel they are not being listened to, they can then make applications to the High Court. No one can say definitely how the high court will rule. This could see the voice having the equal power of an unelected parliament. This is the problem. Would be like giving away your country.
This video is very one sided propaganda. The yes side have gaslighted the no side by claiming lies and misinformation. Fact is our Prime Minister refuses to provide any detail of how the voice will work or its power.
Should never agree to something when you don't know the full consequences.
Well said 👏
The Northern Territory voted no.
If you're an Australian citizen then you are eligible to vote at local, state, and federal levels. Is the Voice trying to say indigenous people don't have this?
No, they're trying to say that we need more government to do the same things the government can already do
It saying that politicians and bureaucrats have wasted millions or billions on paternalistic decisions. The Voice is about listening to aborigines not just dodgy advisors like warren Mundine and Wesley Airds. That’s why they’re voting no, they’ll lose their very comfortable income stream.
Correct@@VanguardDeezNutz
It's saying that since the Federal Government has and does make laws in respect to Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islanders specifically (the only class of Australians that have laws made about them) shouldn't they have a say on what these laws should be?
@@wangabo123 You're right the government shouldn't be making laws specific to Aboriginal or Torres Strait Islanders. It should be making laws to try to uplift all those who live in poverty. Those laws would then benefit Aboriginal or Torres Strait Islanders more as they suffer from those problems more. We are one race, human. Laws should be made that benefit and uplift all those suffering from hardship not focusing and demeaning a certain group within our country.
Aboriginal people are going to have to make do with equal rights.
Cha4k correct there is lots of money they could spend on them
Lucky the Japanese didnt found Australia be none left
Not just indigenous people but all Australians rejected the divisive Voice.
Most indigenous people supported it. Most white voters rejected it, because...well, they always know what's best for the Aborigines, don't they? 😒
and for good reasons, all this was is a power grab attempt by communists using indigenous people as a shield to cower behind
Two thirds of us rejected the referendum. One third of us really don't know much.
Indigenous votes were officially 73% YES. Get your facts straight before you comment.
@@amandab1064 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 geee this percentage from the fascist cowardly left just keeps changing hey. STOP hiding your fascist agenda using indigenous people as a shield you racist cowards. your still crying over your failed attempt to subvert democracy. also $450m wasted on trying to subvert democracy, gee you could of funded everything the yes vote was meant to be about for the indigenous people so clearly this was not about them which the 112 page doc the uluru statement was extracted from confirms
Why would you want to be classed as a perpetual victim in the constitution for eternity, there is no avenue for improvement if that becomes the case? Incentivised victimhood and welfare is no good for anyone, unfortunately some see it as a career choice.
@G2thePee
It's not classifying them as victims. It elevates them as experts on their own culture. It allows the government to consult them on how new laws can respect their culture and address their specific needs. Because even today, they are often left out.
Don't worry your head about it. You're not smart enough to get it.
@aninewforest2533 that sounds lovely in fancy writing on a billboard narrowed down to the magical reality TV-esque title "The Voice" but was far too open ended for the majority of Aussies to buy into clearly. Albo and his mates have stuffed it bigtime with arrogance, obfuscation and a complete lack of transparency ppl should be outraged not bigging him up for running the yes campaign into the ground for months. He is on record saying the Waitangi Tribunal NZ was the blue print for his "voice". That started as an "advisory body only" too and there are countless videos on what it has evolved into which anyone can find out for themselves. A 2 tier govt., moaning for reparations (sometimes multiple times for the same thing), preferential treatment for one group over another, a "treaty industry" lining the pockets of greedy fat cats, etc etc. The election result in NZ yesterday speaks volumes like the landslide here for the no vote. The empty tokenistuc platitudes and total lack of detail/substance in the Yes campaign was far too easy to see through. It was presented as the fix all but explained as the literal definition of "more of the same" by Albo and crew, such a shame for all Australians he couldnt get off his high horse and get into the nitty gritty. What a goose 🪿
@@aninewforest The absence of the Voice doesn't stop the government from _'consulting the indigenous group on how laws can respect their culture and address their specific needs'._ Surely this is already part of Linda Burney's scope/mandate as the Minister for Indigenous Australians? If they are still felt left out, maybe the first question that needs to be asked is whether Burney does her job properly.
It should be looked at as a type of institutionalised slavery. Governments should be doing all they can to push people out of generational welfare dependance, not encouraging it
The results are in; a resounding NO, every State except the ACT voted no and 60% of voters voted no.
It's a resounding No in every State.
ACT doesnt count it's only a Territory.
The Voice is not a path to reconciliation, and harmony it is a path to entrench structural racism within our nation's constitution. Something that should be abhorrent to all Australians but particularly so to Indigenous Aboriginal, and Torres Strait Islander’s. So please Greens, and The ALP don’t lecture and moralise any Australian on our tolerance, open-mindedness, or our almost universal acceptance of the Aboriginal people. The Voice is fluff, popular, crowd-pleasing, and overt virtue signalling, encouraging intolerance, narrow-mindedness, and dogmatism. Yet beyond this reality. The Voice is another expensive misuse of money that could and indeed should be actually being used to improve the lives of Australians. And perhaps even used to improve the lives of all Australians in need, without any thought to their race? Or their cultural background! Victimhood culture has taken over the Australian political landscape. Victimhood culture is another technique in obtaining power, and silencing opposition. The moment Australia stepped over the line from equality to a favoured group, we took a massive misstep. Vote NO NO to this scam
I think a big issue with the vote is. Though first nation people went through truly horrendous crimes against humanity 235 years ago, people today are still being blamed for crimes they didnt commit themselves, nor is anyone alive who had those crimes committed against. Im Australian but i wont be made accountable for what happened 235 years ago. I have nothing against aboriginal folk. They were the original custodians of our great land and i respecr that immensly, but it must be stated that change must happen on the individual front and many dont accept that and continue to blame white man for the ills they currently experience. Many dont work, commit crime at young ages and its violent and brutal. There are places not far away from big cities etc that you dont walk alone in because you get mobbed or worse if youre a woman and those issues are felt amongst every community. I must express that this does not apply to all aboriginals but there is a phenomena called pattern recognition and when say, a farmer is digging a line to put in irrigation and he comes across aboriginal bones buried in that land. He loses that land. Its a very layered and multilateral problem than many face and frankly many are sick and tired of being made to feel guilty for crimes they didnt commit.
There is a huge problem with the guilt tripping and those who voted no are those who are concerned of the old saying "give an inch and theyll take a mile" for good or bad the people of australia dont want to be railroaded into possible unforseen repercussions. I do hope that some good comes out of this eventually for the aboriginal people but it must start at an individual level. Then we can move forward.
I am not Australian and not in Australia. This is not my case and 100% up to you Australians.
Being able to vote for elections to an indiginous parlament myself it is no big thing. The rule of law and who governs shoudl be up to all citizens.
The crimes aginst indigiouns peopel was still around after WW2 and did not end hundreds of years ago. Personally I doubt it really helps being separated from the rest of the citizens. These local spcial counsils are more to keep tarditions alive and deal only with local issues. At least that is when they seem helpful to me (in our non Aussie experince).
It is time to bring in DNA testing! If you haven't got a grandparent who is aboriginal then you aren't Aboriginal!
A historic and overwhelming rejection of "The Voice"
had this gone through, it would have had no benefit for the vast majority of aboriginals, it would have enriched some career politicians , NGO's, activists and that's it. It would have created more division, resentment and marked Australia as effectively an apartheid state, hyperbole you say, well it all starts there when how you are treated, rights are dictated by your skin colour or how long your ancestors have been in a country.
Well done Australia for rejecting this
Indeed!
So it's either vote no, because it divides Australians by race = You're a racist.
Or
Vote Yes, because you want Australia divided by race = You're not a racist?
Sorry, never sure how media bias will lean.
A few questions. What was the infant mortality before whitie came? We don't know, they'd didn't keep records, but if we compare to other tribal groups of the time, infant mortality was almost every other child and another stat if you're referring to the birth to adulthood survival stat, also not good. Looking at it from this perspective shows that the infant mortality rates has dropped significantly since whitie showed up, one might say that's a great achievement, obviously this reporter thinks otherwise.
Canada spends more on it's natives then it does on it's military, not even mentioning how much Australia already spends on 3%.
Some simply advice. You want your culture to grow and return from the mud of neglect and stagnation? Finish High school, get a job, don't have kids out of wedlock. Sounds pretty simple, it's pretty hard, but nothing worth going ever is.
Australia spends more on its military. 52 billion a year to protect 26million people, 40 billion a year on 3% of the population
"our people suffer some of the highest incarceration rates"
aka
Our people commit a lot of crime
AKA our people have to commit crimes because your people made it impossible for us to succeed
@@flickrebeat8936 And this causes them to commit mass rape and homicide? Interesting
@@flickrebeat8936Love the logic.
@@flickrebeat8936 In my community at least in my state in sydney, if an aboroginal applied for the same job as i did, i would lose that job by default of their heritage regardless of how well i was qualified for the job. So please explain to me how they do not have the opportunity to succeed?
@@saiwaqa2573 explain my child sexual abuse is so high in australian aborigninals communties?, one study "the incidence of physical and sexual abuse was over three times higher for Aboriginal girls than boys aged 14-17 years but only 1.8 times higher for non-Aboriginal girls than boys". nice culture you got there
Look.. the choice is stick to your Historical way of life or integrate into the wider society. But they do neither, it seems.
They want the best of both worlds. To have their "culture" protected but also benefit from all the modern civilisation that WHITE EUROPEANS built.
Very one-sided. Will we be getting a video tomorrow that looks at the arguments made from the No side?
To be fair, it is their homeland. Only people I can think of who would say no are the far-right nutters. Also they showed someone on the no side and she gave her opinion so are you lying or didn't watch the video?
What is the benefit of not providing rights for aboriginal Australians?
@@cacikea they have already rights, we don't want them to have more rights compared to rest of Australia. Now do you understand'? imbecile
What rights don't they have please explain
@@cacikeathey already have 3000 bodies that speak for them, 11 parliamentarians, which is double their % of population. And the government spends double the $ on indigenous people over non indigenous people.
OK, THIS GUIT TRIP IS GETTING OLD, PEOPLE MOVE ON, AND LETS ALL FOCUS ON 'KEEPING OUR GREAT COUNTRY THE BEST EVER ANME !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!THIS IS NOT THE US, CUT THE DRAMA!
I hope this means an end to trying to assert a guilt position on me for things that happened hundreds of years ago, that the mysterious and vitriolic supposed "Uluru Statement" will be buried and that we can find a way to bridge the divide that Albanese has crafted into our fabric, ironically by not listening to the advice of our supposed indigenous leaders. I hope too that those who have adminstered the almost $100M/day spent over more than a decade, supposedly on assisting our indigenous brothers and sisters will be held to account and that those who are truly in need of support (ie. not the leigons of people illegitimately claiming Aboriginal heritage) will at last benefit in the long run. What an almightily expensive and embarrassing cluster-f--- this has been. Time to look forward and move together without the victim mindset and with purpose! Love and peace - Dave
@deldridg
What counts as the past? Many of these events happened within the lifetimes of people alive now. If society is not willing to help those harmed, then it's not sorry. And if it's not sorry, what is going to be different going forward?
You do realise the stolen generations is why legions of people are coming forwards saying they are? My kids are white but there dad is indigenous, does that make them not indigenous because they’re white presenting? No there still a fucking aboriginal regardless of how white they may be.. it’s still there heritage and culture.
We'll all NOT see anything ur in Natasha! Thank God Aussies had brains to vote NO ❤
So do Chinese nationals, with loyalties to the PRC, get a voice? Would this PRC group be allow to only appoint members that China approves of?
How about a Palestinian groups? Should they be allowed to appoint Hamas affiliated people to recommend anti-semetic policies to Australia?
If aboriginals could be given a choice to go back to a pre colonial Australia, reset to exactly how the British found them, they'd utterly reject it. Old language and customs don't treat heart disease, cancer, cataracts. Old language and customs don't carry people through poor growing seasons and natural disasters. Old language and customs don't enlighten you about the rest of the world, the universe. Old language and customs don't prevent the Han Chinese ruling you instead of Anglos. Old language and customs don't give your women and children legal recourse for abuse.
Oh the absolute ingratitude and entitlement!
Such a stupid take. Without colonialism autralia would've adapted to the modern world including its benefits. It's not a binary choice of going back to the stone age lifestyle vs colonialism.
They’re more than welcome to go live in the bush if they want to. Nobody here’s stopping them. In fact I’d welcome it.
@@history3042 No not stupid. Indigens were rescued from imprisonment in 50,000 yrs of Stone Age living. Rescued by a new civilisation arriving. How about some gratitude? And then there is the Trillion dollars not mentioned in the Uluru document which they took apparently while being gnocided despite an exploding population.
@@user-le9yq7if6s Did the Romans "rescue" the Britons?
@@history3042 so wrong - look at people in the Brazilian rain forest! Nothing has changed them. Pick and chose your issues - can’t pick your race ho hum
if you dont want a high incareration rate, dont commit crimes
police arrest black people more
@@ashtimbog results from blackpeople being disproportionately more violent then any other group regardless of economic status
Breathing a sigh of relief today. Thank goodness we didn’t take the first step towards bringing apartheid laws into our constitution. With one group of constitutional privilege based on race for one group of people, and nothing for everybody else. Wrong in principle, the public recognised it as such.
If the group of people was larger no referendum would be kept wait till they are minority then cast vote , the public is Guilty
I just read the Guardian's view on the voice referendum and it is skewed. I have been a Labor and Greens voter since I first voted 50 years ago, no more. I grew up with Aboriginals in the country and recognise what Jacinta Nampijinta Price says about her Aboriginal culture and customs. Self determination involves accountability and personal responsibility.
How can you possibly be a leftist and preach about accountability and responsibility? The entire leftist credo is "Everything bad in my life is the fault of the oppressor!" and "Please big daddy gov't, take from the successful and give it to me!!"
An bravo to u ❤
Vote conforms to the usual pattern, those who don't live near large populations of aboriginals have the rosiest view of them.
Biased piece of journalism - this is why Australian’s voted no.
What a propaganda hit piece.
Sounds pretty racist to vote yes on this .
The past should never be forgotten but it should not be use as an excuse to avoid progress.
So well put....these people/africans /muslims always use white people inventions to further their lives but demonise us at he same time
how would recognizing their authority over their land a from of "avoiding progress"?
@@Davao420 Having racial groups lobbying the government is a bad idea. If the voice got in, what argument could you make to say denying a representative group of white people to represent white people, who only white people can vote for who lobby the government for the interests if only white people? Then what about Chinese Australians, Vietnamese Australians, Indonesian Australians? Does every race and demographic get their own special interest lobby? What about combinations, people half Vietnamese and half White? Do they get their own mixed lobbying group?
How do you know the people voting for the voice are aboriginal? Is there a percentage of aboriginal DNA you need to be to vote? Do you just need to "look" aboriginal or will you be required to get a DNA test before you can vote for Voice Members?
If the government funds the voice, is it then obligated to fund the other races lobbying groups? If so does each group get equal funding regardless of the size or is it a per member basis? Does that mean the white lobbying group will get more funding and more members?
Also what powers will these groups get? If they can only bring their concerns forward how is that different from the groups that already exist and how can they make claims that they will actually solve the issues they described if they have no power other then to talk to government members(Which they can already do).
@@TwoPlusTwoEqualsFive32 it could also have implications for our military. they could easily oppose any military infrastructure building if this came into place.
@@TwoPlusTwoEqualsFive32 are you serious? white people won't need a representative because they are the majority - translation; the entire setup is made up of and made by them.
You mention in the comments, that this person is an activist, but not in the video.
The voice was intially meant to be a recognition in our constitution, but it has now ballooned to a body locked into our constitution forever, which will be held by the most extreme activists like the film maker in the video.
Australia is one of the greatest multicultural nations in the world and the voice will separate indigenous and non indigenous even futher than they have even been.
Its racist , it wont fix anything. And the woman at the end who is voting no was a separate state based on her skin colour, in all other examples in the world that evil and racist. But now its called "progressive no".
Mate we already do recognise the aboriginals because if we didnt then why do we say we RECOGNISE the aboriginals as the first peoples of australia
Pretty sure the narrator of the video made a video stating why he is voting No.
@@TyroneLemurayes we recognise them but not in the constitution which several countries have done with their indiginous peoples including Canada, NZ, Sweden and many more
@@danielsonn3046 it’s not that simple. There’s serious implications to a yes. It could change the way the entire constitution is interpreted. That’s the issue. Not that people are racist and don’t acknowledge the aboriginals. They should have made a referendum to give them statehood or even multiple states with tribes that get along being in the same state. That would give them greater representation but not cause a constitutional crisis if the government decided to abuse the powers granted in the referendum. They knew what they were doing. They were trying to expand government power and subvert checks and balances by appealing to the people’s good nature. That’s why they didn’t clarify or be more specific. They made it all about oh those poor aboriginals they deserve a voice and only an evil racist who hates aboriginals would vote no in this referendum. They did the same thing in California to reverse a civil rights law making it illegal to discriminate based on inalienable characteristics. Like they claimed it would help minorities and you were a racist if you didn’t support the repeal of the anti discrimination law. Which in reality it would give Californians the ability to discriminate based on race, gender and religion. Like the complete opposite of what they were claiming.
@@forfun6273 so the real problem is people are scared of changing the constitution even if it could help these people and where do you get your facts from
Thank you for a great video. We already have three layers of government, federal, state and local government which have their own administration bureaucrats. We do not need another layer of govt. what we need is an audit and investigation into where the 40billion plus dollars has gone, how it was spent, and why do we still have an open gap?
Why is one group in the community being treated differently to the rest of Australia. Victoria for example is broke, so there is not even a spare 10cents to be contributed to anything.
We need to audit and disband the current indigenous councils, bodies and councils and the niaa and any elders that are supposed to be handling funding, and bring in one body that is functional, honest, audited, responsible, integral, and proper governance. We cannot keep wasting taxpayer dollars which the Australian people work hard for proving services etc….we need to stop duplicating services whereby it’s all tied up in bureaucracy and court systems. If they want change this is what needs to happen. Blessings to all Australians. This was a great country but we are being invaded by greedy selfish people. It’s a NO until proven otherwise. Blessings..🇦🇺🙏
We need a transparent and honest audit and investigation into why there are still gaps especially with all the money that has been given to these organisations. There should be no cracks if the gaps closed were closed properly. Super glue doesn’t work anymore as people have their eyes opened now to all the dishonest and divisive dealings. This is australia, let’s just get our country back to being the country it was. Enough of the coercion, gaslighting, fear mongering and division. We are hard workers and we should be leaders in this day and age. No to division, and no to racism and no to being played by bullies.
"We need a transparent and honest audit and investigation into why there are still gaps" - to be honest, I have hardly never witnessed a more racist and degrading treatment of a population share! Even in the so called city-based progressive milieu (after a few beers;) I was completely shocked and sad, since I had an absolutely positive image of Australia, and I wasn't really aware of the issue.
I am not sure, if the "Voice" is the right way. But to rely on that the Australian society will overcome its predjudice is naive.
@@dervideominister the money has been mismanaged, with all the money given out there should have been no gaps whatsoever. The niaa, the dept of indigenous affairs, the elders and all the other bodies need to be investigated. The money hasn’t reached the communities. There are a lot of issues there, with alcohol, youth crime, drugs, domestic violence, just like everywhere else. Tribes don’t all get along etc etc. these programs were all virtue signalling. They just need to create a fair system, that can be audited and checked and ensure that the funding is actually reaching the people that it should. Their culture cannot manage alcohol or drugs and hence the problems. But anyway let’s see what happens now. Hopefully for the better. Have a great week.
@@dervideominister the voice is a wolf in sheep clothing. communists using indigenous people as a shield to cower behind whilst they manipulate people into assisting them at a grab at power
Wait don't you have a King British person???
-COMANCHE NATION
@@dervideominister
We need Caucasians to go back to Europe
-COMANCHE NATION
Looks like the historical vote went NOPE
This was not a balanced interview for Yes and No votes. The commentary was skewed to favour a Yes vote, but there is so much detail missing from both campaigns that Australians do not really know what they are voting for.
There was no detail shown here about what this vote was for or what voting yes would actually mean. Simply saying 'recognition' and 'for voices to be heard' is too vague.
@@Beesa10 Exactly, if someone came up to you and asked you to sign a contract that wasn't even written yet it would be perfectly reasonable to refuse.. yet the government expected us to not only sign a contract that gives them/others unknown powers that isn't even written yet, but also a blank cheque for an unknown amount.
@@TwoPlusTwoEqualsFive32 Bad ideas being turned into prejudicial reforms, disguised in a cloak of supposed fairness justice and progress. The results of the referendum show that most people saw it for what it was thankfully.
There are no humans indigenous to Australia. Everyone's ancestor, whether Aboriginal or European, or Asian, came to Australia from somewhere else.
You can say that about everywhere in the entire world, except Africa. It all depends how far back in time you go... Aboriginals have been in Australia for what, 65,000 years? So why are you wanting to go further back in time than that? I don't see the logic. Do explain.
@@Krytern Yes let's go that much in time back? Yo, idiot do you know actually all the places in the world were invaded and conquered by someone else.
@@Krytern It is called the "Indigenous Voice" referendum. Australia has no indigenous people. Who is getting a "voice"?
Our ancestors may have come from somewhere else, but those who were born in Australia didn't. They are all native to Australia.
That may be true but it was 80,000 years ago!!! Aboriginal people came from the Tamil people in India. If you look at Tamil words you can see that the language is very similar. However, after 80,000 years Aboriginal people are definitely the traditional owners- end of story.
If they had a referendum on recognition it would have passed 97%. Putting the voice in mucked that up. Forming a voice but not in referendum. So many things to decide
Treaty also a possibility.
'Native' and 'indigenous' should apply to those who founded the first 'civilisations' in ANY land.
For some reason, across the world, WHITE people (and I use the word 'white' on purpose) are not favoured with the same sentiments as if we dropped out of the sky from another planet.
If you consider yourself British (not in the over-used Imperial sense but in the Celtic sense, i.e. a Briton) you are a native and indigenous person. Your people built the FIRST EVER KNOWN civilisation here in Britain.
And it's high time we began to demand our rights too.
Yma o Hyd
Merry Caratacus
Wow, what an unbalanced report. If you live in the UK you need to know this report covers the Yes case (supported by the left side of politics), the Progressive No case (supported by the even more left end of politics) but doesn't even interview anyone from the main No case. Natasha Wanaganeen isn't even from Alice Springs (as she acknowledges in the report) but one of the key indigenous campaigners against the Voice is from Alice Springs, and they didn't interview her.
Really poor, biased reporting Channel 4. Wow. Just wow.
Why is this framing aboriginal people as not having advocacy nor a voice in the current system? Why is the reporting so weird and binary?
And what did this reporter mean by "its time for us to reclaim our rightful place"? That tells us nothing. What does that mean please? Maybe an article outlining that, so if its fair I can support them in reclaiming that "rightful place". Also maybe they can show me what my rightful place is too. Thanks in advance.
I am rather certain that Ben Abbatangelo is a secessionist. He means Indigenous peoples should reclaim their country, or sovereignty. If that would mean small nation states within Australia, or something different, I'm not sure. However, I'm pretty sure that that would be a pretty quick way to end up with apartheid.
We all said No.. cause all you guys think your owed this and that.. You already get more benefits then the norm its always want,want,take take give give... No Australia has enough issues with Housing and jobs.. They only pushing because they think there owed more money thats what its all about..
Same couldn’t agree with you more
Let's put all this indigenous talk behind us, in reality no one cares, life is to short and people have more important issues to deal with.
Australia voted correctly on 14/9/23
Overwhelmingly, resoundingly NO.
So proud of my fellow citizens.
You're the voice, try and understand it
Make a noise and make it clear
Oh, whoa
We're not gonna sit in silence
We're not gonna live with fear
Oh, whoa
This time, we know we all can stand together
With the power to be powerful
Believing we can make it better
Ooh, we're all someone's daughter
We're all someone's son
Divided? 70% of Abo's voted NO! i don't think qualifies as divided. It qualifies as a Shellacking, ranking with the 2021 Premiership!😂
The word Abo is offensive to them at least add the end word ORIGINAL! that might clear this up.
@rickyjames4228 What? Since when have i given anyone permission to tell me what words i can and cannot use! Freedom of speech doesn't mean except for words that others tell me i cannot use. There are plenty of words i find offensive, such as whitey! Should i just call them bludgers instead? Not sure what you meant by your comment, but i hope i have cleared up where i stand on that.
I was confused as to why this referendum existed at first, since if the gov't wanted to set up an advisory board they can just... pass legislation. But actually it seems like what this is about is changing the constitution to recognise Aboriginals as a distinct group of people, separate from the rest of Australia, with a distinct set of collective rights that they possess because of that status.
Personally, I don't really like the precedent that sets. I'm not really racist for wanting to vote against something like that (or maybe I am, people seem to be redefining the term "racist" to mean something much broader than it initially did, maybe under the new definition I'm extremely racist).
shes more than half white and what knoledge for 65k years? how to make a pointy stick?
Why did it not pass? As a foreigner a total. Of the 5 top videos banned comments.
How do you expect a citizenry to debate a topic when one bans all commentary, those whom rule do not dictate to the masses, learn this. Full stop. Aboriginals deserve their history to be supported and remembered, but NOT when said policies do not support ALL Australians - that’s what democracy is all about.
Australia needs no treaties as we are all Australians, we have fought wars etc for all of us. What do think about our bith rights in this land.
Oh well CH4 lost WEF Schwab agenda this time! Did get Schwab man Tusk in Poland but still not a overall majority! Tusk will have a difficult time with open borders for non Europeans, after what happened to 2 Swedish citizens in Brussels!
Every piece of technology in this video was a result of colonialism.
Put the alcohol down. Pick the PS5 up. Enjoy the fact you get to go to a hospital 🏥 when you are pregnant not just ‘hope for the best’ in the forest somewhere. I’d happily lose some finger painting and didjeridoos for that.
Why did Channel 4 reach out to an activist to cover the story; why not a proper journalist?
The biggest no argument for me was reading the yes arguments on the AEC booklet. I live under a rock, I couldn't care less about the news. The AEC booklet was the first notification I even received of this being a thing only 2 weeks prior to the vote.
Sat down and read it, I had my mind made up before I even got to the No arguments. The yes arguments was all I needed to say No.
My biggest issues reading the yes argument.
first that this group would only be aboriginals or torrestraight islanders. Which just struck me in the face of African segregation in America with the "blacks need not apply" signs.
Then there was that this could only be voted for by Aboriginals which just throws the entire idea of democracy out the window and gives a single group the right to vote, but not others, this is undemocratic.
Then it opens the flood gates, if Aboriginals get their own representative group, should Chinese Australians? What about Scottish Australians? What about mixed race German and Scottish Australians do they get their own special interest group to lobby the government? Where does this end, and if these other groups are denied is that fair and democratic? It can then be claimed the government is racially biased.
Lastly is the general vagueness of the argument. There was lots of feel good, we can do this. But no actual statements on how, what methods, what funding, how much funding, and what powers if any and most important what limits to the powers they may gain. None of this was stated by the Yes campaign or government.
They essentially wanted us to write a blank cheque and sign a contract before reading it.
No voters are not racist, we are untrusting of a government that went full tyrant during the past 3 years out of fear. We are untrusting of politicians that claim something is just harmless when it's a trojan horse to push damaging and corrupt legislation that lines their pockets.
Yet you're happy for coal and gas lobbyists who push their own agenda for financial gain, or various religious groups, or the many other hundreds of lobbyists who inform the government if their particular needs, like the Australian Medical Association. I'm afraid your own imagination got the better of you there. And the blank cheque comment? Where to start with that? Just happily give your money to Gina and stay ignorant.
Spot on.
Aborigines.
Been around 12,000 years.
Invented the stick.
Lol
No. No No.. We must not be divided on racial grounds
Recognising native people isn't divisive, unless you feel threatened by coming to terms with your colonial history
@@vrl9037 Giving one group a voice over the others is rather divisive.
@@vrl9037 there are other ethnicities in Australia apart from Anglos, you know? Why not give Chinese Australians "a voice" while you're at it?
@@davidadiwego4608 Malcolm Roberts recently said in a speech that it's not a Voice, it's an invoice. I'll add a perpetual invoice that's constitutionalized.
NO to division.
Please forgive my ignorance as I'm an American just hearing of this vote, but I've consumed a few pieces of content about it now and am still unsure about what this is, exactly. Are Aboriginal people currently not able to vote, or need to use a separate drinking fountain or some such? What would this bill accomplish?
Our First Nations people is in a similar social/economic/political/health situation (or worse) as your Native American population. Land stolen. Discriminated against. Government does what they like with you up until last few decades only. Second class citizens up until very recently. Acknowledgement of their traditional ownership only very recently. Apology in words only by Gov in 2007. Children stolen and indoctrinated into white families only recently. Racist policies made against them until recently. Greatly disadvantaged due to generational trauma and racism. Policies made about them without their consultation. Sacred sites destroyed by Gov or corporations.
What they DO have are equal opportunities today - but the above list and more still puts them at a major disadvantage vs even new migrants.
Realistically they won't get their land back. But if we believe ourselves to be a just and civilized society, then those we've been greatly unjust to should be fairly compensated, protected, and carefully, respectfully considered when it comes to laws about them...
@@jimmy_x557 so again, what does this bill do? Does it pay some sort of reparation to the Aboriginal people, or finically prefer them in some way going forward in effort to pay restitution. I mean, all I'm really hearing is fluff.
So, our native people...the Native Americans, have enjoyed tax advantages for several generations now. In addition to that, gaming is legal on Native reservation land, and so many of them have built casinos in states where gaming is not otherwise legal. Will that atone for what my ancestors did to their ancestors?...I don't know, and neither does anyone else, but at face value, today, you CAN see preferential treatment in the taxation/financial ways I described.
So, I'm just trying to get a sense of what this Australian bill actually does, because all I really hear is noise.
@@jimmy_x557 Don't bother conversing with these white supremacist bigots. They will just gaslight you to no end.
@@loudandclearmedia You're a piece of work. It's not their job to educate you. Get on your bike and do the research if you're so interested. Better yet, LISTEN to the clip above.
@loudandclearmedia I'm in Canada. I feel confused about what the Voice does too. To me, it seems the Australian government is doing this backwards which won't help ordinary aborigines improve their daily lives.
As a British man Living in Australia voting yes would and if yes one would be a disaster one may have to pay taves to Aborigines for living there there is enough money to help them yes winning would make no diffreince it would make things worse for the angry people who voted no i am a drug user mdmdma and vote no only a moroen on drugs drink or not would vote yes
Not very balanced is it? What can one expect from a hard left channel
You're cute.
Down voted when you said Aboriginals were "Born out o the land" WRONG... They emigrated here from Africa, Just like every other human everywhere.
I hate my country's past when it comes to these poor people!😐✌❤🇬🇧
You haven’t met them yet that’s why. Live in far North Queensland and you will change your tune.
"Colloquially known as Alice Springs."
2 things; The proposal was not good enough, to many "may" and vague words, etc. Secondly, there was to much disagreement among the Aboriginals, like 2 camps. A voice or many, many voices and possible division. Something has to be done very soon, to improve the current situation. Agree on one thing.
That was the waste of an air ticket. It didn’t really explain the proposal at all
It is hard if not impossible to state it in short words better than Senator Price : "Australia should be united together as one, not divided by race. The proposed new ‘Voice’ in parliament is divisive and dangerous - it will only push Australian apart. Take action to keep Australians united!" We should never have any 'treaties' based on racial, ethnic and historical divisions. These differences can be rather mutually enriching and uniting Australians, if they are cultural differences of people with absolutely equal social and political rights. Otherwise, these differences could mutate into means of destructive divisions!
Throughout human history, the face of the entire world has always been changing: its ethnic groups, countries, borders, etc. Many of these changes have been unjust as they resulted from conflicts, violence, local and world wars, and crimes against humanity. We need to constantly learn from our history that not to create new injustices. One of such lessons suggests that we must not attempt to heal committed injustices by new injustices. Our history shows that any attempt to reverse established historical reality turns into injustice. In case of our country Australia, it is not possible to heal historical wounds of Indigenous people by giving them a special constitutional status and rights, or even 'sovereignty'. More than 26 millions Australians should not be discriminated compared to less than a million Indigenous people. We need to find just and really democratic ways of efficiently addressing their issues. Injustice cannot be healed by injustice!
With full respect to Indigenous people and regrets of what happened to them in the colonial past, we all still have to realize that the historical reality is that Australian nation consists now of people from many ethnic and cultural backgrounds. The Indigenous people group is not the biggest one and not the one, which made the biggest contribution into creating of modern Australia. Anyway, regardless of that, under no circumstances it is a good idea to try to reverse history, as it would mean racism and discrimination towards majority of people in Australia, which are not responsible at all for our colonial past. We need to strongly condemn colonial crimes and atrocities but accept historical reality and have really democratic society, where we all should be absolutely equal in our rights. No one, including Indigenous people, should have any special privileges regardless of their background and history. It is why I am against Voice and any specific ethnic and/or racial 'treaties' but strongly for really democratic Australian republic where every person would be absolutely equal in their rights.
It's a consultant group which would be at the mercy of the Australian Government.
It's supposed to be a mouth piece to address facing indigenous communities who have been marginalised for centuries.
@@ethancoster1324 Consultant group status does not require a constitutional implementation at all. No any group of people or any individuals should be given any special status in the Australian Constitution.
@@vincentberg1069 it's at the sole discretion of the government. It's members would be chosen by the government, the issues it raises for the sake of the betterment of its own communities would be at the sole discretion of the government. It literally has no real power at all barring the power that is given to it by the government. Most of the issues it'd involve concern the wealthfare of local communities of that which there are few compared with the rest of Australia's population.
@@ethancoster1324 I hope this antidemocratic and dividing proposal will not be supported by the majority of the Australian citizens
@@vincentberg1069 How the fck is this antidemocratic?
It'll be at the sole discretion of the government. It's a glorified consultant group.
I didn't vote because i had no fucken idea what i was agreeing to
I voted no :)
How funny is it that when someone has a nose ring you already know half of their opinions?
man they trying to get rid of them off the map
It's the same in US and Australia, European rope them of their land.
Yeah, and all we gave in return was... civilisation?
They were fine without diabetes cancer and obesity from your "civilized" ways.
@@aninewforest Not to mention the many native people that died from coming in contact with their "civilised" self.
@@HandsomeNamedBecause we were all “savages” right?
Nobody rope anybody stop lying.....
Advocacy journalism.
I wouldn't call it journalism. It's just propaganda.
Also known as propaganda......
People who invented the stick and inhale petrol fumes.... right.🤔🤔🤔🤔
Your comment is ignorant and racist. Aboriginal culture is the best thing about Australia and should be respected.
Would've been better to become a republic and then have their voice attached to it or something
If you look at photos from even a hundred years ago which is not that long ago historically you can see that the aboriginal people have been very "diluted" and mixed with Europeans their language tended to faded away a bit from under use due to this....
The stolen generation racial policies were an attempt to breed out Aborigines.
Yeah that’s going to happen no matter what.
Most indigenous activist women and indigenous women in city areas DO NOT marry or have children with indigenous men. Currently you have people with 1/8th 1/16th etc claiming to be indigenous. At the moment it is illegal for anyone to question someones 'aboriginality'. But if there was a voice how could this continue. The first thing that wouldve been needed was a definition of what it takes to be indigenous and dna tests to prove. It wouldve been amusing to see how all the so called indigenous activists wouldve taken that
Where is america, i think they are the guardian of democrazy
We need more referendums !
Especially on imigration and social spending.
Time to just do . Stop looking for an answer and do what's required .
Is Ben Abbatangelo a secessionist? Does he want an aboriginal nation/nations within Australia? Sounds like a fast-track to apartheid.
natives should never be abused but never be in power
Australia doesn't let natives vote?
We do. We all get one vote. Does not matter what your race is.
I had NO IDEA. Then again, I don't really know Jack schitt on the history of australia. But just wow. This is so wrong
No to the voice and NO to a treaty
This video doesn't have anything to do with what ppl were asked to vote on in that referendum.
People who vote no are not against reconciliation, but how this implementation was presented to the Australian public and its timing. We would rather the government tackle the cost of living crisis over this: this is a low priority for a lot of Australia.
Voting Yes would set in motion a very divisive policy direction
Thank you my brother if only people could think like you,the world will be a better nation and it will get better.everyone’s confused about this campaign at the moment and I’m getting sick of all the racist comments from both parties g.grant
GREAT NEWS… the NO vote won 🎉❤
Why is it great?
Why do the original inhabitants not deserve to be in the constitution?
@@blaqueruby4946 At this point, your comment is just bait.
@@blaqueruby4946because we treat everyone equally
It was the English who stole their land, many of us anglo aussies didnt come by choice either, current day Aussies shouldn't be held responsible for Britian's colonisers,No from me to a Voice to Parliament.
Britian did a lot of good things you clown
Stole? What?
@@Euro.Patriot I think the English came to Australia and claimed the land, it's not controversial, the Romans invaded and took over England also at one point in time, you just need to move forward, bad sh!t happens.
@@glasshalffull8471 Land can't be stolen, ownership is a manmade concept.
@@Euro.Patriot you're probably right.
Dude you guys just wanna be treated special....that's it
The first bias yes video with comments "on"...
Note most comments are referring to voting NO...
Yes but when you look at WHO is commenting "no", it certainly paints a picture.
Especially since the general trend is to claim its "creating division" and that they oppose that. But then you look at comments they've made on other videos, playlists they've compiled or other channels they follow and they're inevitably interested in right-wing figures who foment and profit off of division.
So there's a lot of hypocrites and disingenuous creeps in opposition to this, is that what we're saying?
All msm turned off their comments because they're scared of facts, truth, and logic.
Distorted rubish.
Australia racis and discriminati
Vote no
God bless the Aboriginal people ❤️
They don't believe in God. God does not bless disbelievers.
Aussie needs a Dr.Ambedkar like in India to protect Indigenous people!
Stop using socialist term "First Nation". There are Aboriginal and Torrese Straight Islander people. All peoples of Australia will band together and say NO to "You will own nothing and be happy". We will stand up and fight for our countries democratic freedom and independence.