What I find amazing is EVERY trans-person I have had interaction with they are THE most understanding and reasonable about others not fully understanding their situation. Nothing like what we hear from the frigging media.
I've found a much wider range of attitudes among trans people. People who behave as you describe and others who attack you if you acknowledge the concept of biological sex. The media likes to focus on the latter.
The trans panic isn’t about reality, it’s about people who feel threatened by changing world views. These folks clearly don’t know any actual trans people or have heard their personal stories of bullying and erasure. There’s reactionary mentality among the center and center-left is shocking. Real trans people don’t deserve to be the elitists’ scapegoat.
It's been said about the left that if it weren't for double standards, they wouldn't have any either. Don't be scared about government spending oversight ....
@mikegoetz3184 republicans always add to the debt. Democrats bring down the debt Bill Clinton gave George Bush a surplus and Bush blew that out of the water. Trump added 8 trillion and Biden brought that down.
@@mikegoetz3184government spending oversight is one thing. Slashing the ACA , Medicare/Medicaid and social security is entirely different. Getting rid of the Department of Education and NOAA is absolutely insane.
@ ever notice that education has been going down hill since the inception of the Dept of Education ? Imagine how much cheaper health care and insurance would be if all poisons / toxins were mandated out of our foods ....
@@TheHSIHP this is so not a real issue. I've worked in corporate tech jobs since 1999 and never once was I bullied, never once did anyone I worked with felt they were bullied. No one actually cares.
I appreciate Tim (and The Bukwark) offering guests with different points of view. It strikes me as Sam was describing Kamala’s failure in responding to trans activism that when he was asked how he would respond to the bigoted moves by Nancy Mace and Mike Johnson, he struggled to come up with a clear answer for a topic he seems really passionate about. It’s hard to admit when you think a specific group or population doesn’t really matter but it would be helpful for folks to start off being honest. Clearly this is a small population of our country but a complicated issue. Politics is personal and as someone who has a close family member who is trans, I don’t want to see them vilified for just existing. That vilification often starts at the top. Sam’s falling back to Kamala not being smart or articulate as an excuse rings sort of hollow too and smacks of the nonsense we heard from the tech side during the campaign. Did he not listen to any of her speeches, any of her rallies, her incredible debate performance? This line of reasoning is insane and doesn’t fit the reality - it burned me when I heard that during the campaign and it really burns me now.
Meanwhile, Trump is a liar and a psychopath - and sounds like exactly what his former cabinet members described him as - a moron. I guarantee you that if Kamala were a white man, she would be acknowledged as brilliant and capable.
I love you Tim, buuuuut Sam Harris is a HUGE intellectual A-hole! For 90% of black men who have been pulled over by the police, getting police to wear body cams and understand that ... Black Lives Do Indeed Matter ... has changed that dynamic 180 degrees.
It's unbelievable isn't it? I don't think I've seen somebody fall harder or further faster than he has. I can't believe I'm listening to the same open minded man and he is so brainwashed by the mainstream media narrative in the Democratic party lies. It's really sad
ELON MUSK IS NOT AN ENGINEER! He has a Bachelor in Economics and in Physics from the University of Pennsylvania. He inherited a lot of money and invested it well by buying different tech companies. The companies were founded and are run by actual engineers. He is just the owner and the charismatic figurehead of these companies.
It was the very fine people hoax that people to the drinking bleach hoax then the Russian pee pee hoax to the "He flushed Nuclear secrets down the toilet hoax. We Democrats based everything on hoaxes. We should have been honest. We should have said that we proudly suckle on a government teat by using the government's monopoly on force to fund the government teat that we all so proudly suckle. The American people need to make a choice. Do they want to join us in suckling in the government teat. Or do they want to remain a freedom loving MAGA type and have the Democrat boot of tyranny put on their throats. Instead we made up 1000 hoaxes that could be easily debunked
Sam says here it would have been easy for Kamala to debunk this flurry of defamation. WRONG. She probably even did it, but the media (incl. e.g. Twitter) would not spread it. It did not matter whether blatant lie or not, any defamation was spread - and that is so primitive that it sticks. Like the AI image of her in red communist uniform. I can follow Sam that the left has some loony guys with even more loony ideas, but that is also a result of the untethered chaos of ideas that the left allows, but where most people just subscribe to small subsets. While the (often christian) right is bound to subscribe to the complete set of dogmas their peers define for them. A conspiracy I could readily imagine is that currently the whole west is flooded by Putin-financed and Putin-designed Agitprop (the perfect word for it) to disrupt, divide and destabilize these societies. And we are vulnerable to that. Up to now each party wanted to pursue their interests - under the restraint of maintaining a functional peaceful society. No restraint needed by Putin, expert ex-KGB agent. The more chaos, the better for him. And the western oligarchs also have no issue with a depression, they feel too big to fail, for them a depression is an opportunity to buy up all the broke enterprises for nothing and multiply their power.
Because people like Sam manipulated their audiances to be fearful and distrusting of others. Gaslighting is a term overused but in this case his explanation of the elections is just a cover for how the right has hypnotized a large swath of the American public into states of hate and anger. Trump just rode that wave as he rode the wave of Gop bs. They are the problem and any one from that world pointing at Dei as the problem is just furthering the lie.
100%!!! A million years ago I had respect for Harris. But then he became full out racist against Muslims. Back then that was his soapbox. Now it’s trans-issues. He is over the top. Really??? She lost the election because of trans-issues.
As someone who actually lives around the masses that voted for Trump... I'm sorry Sam but you talking about her needing to articulate a specific position more, or try to say she changed her mind on the trans stuff couldn't be more futile. People here in the Midwest would've just blamed her for swapping her stance on trans and used it against her. To think that people voting for Trump need to hear anything more articulated, is just wrong. Sure maybe it helps the silicon valley billionaires swap their vote for her to fight 'woke'... But After listening to Tim interview multiple of these rich people, it's clear that they were looking for any and every reason to vote against her. She could have been giving away cancer cures for free at hospitals in Iowa and the dying cancer patients would simply say, "gotta die sometime... Maga" Appreciate the info mate, but the war is against social media and the need to fight false info.
This guy seems to suffer from "Los Angeles Derangement Syndrome." I get it, I was born and raised in CA. It can be weird. But he's lost the plot. He actually thinks the whole country is like LA, I guess? He needs to get out more.
@@ShainRaley exactly. I think he spent too much time on college campuses too cause these woke trans stuff is prevalent there but IRL people are just living their life
@@Chibabachacho It's actually a bit depressing that college campuses are still emersed in woke dogma. With no way to wake them from their dogmatic slumber due to the political breakdown of campuses. (E.g., in 1970 it was basically 1:1. In 2022 the humanities was at something like 50:1 D to R.) And you know if they ever gain power over social media and news media again, they'll force it on everyone. Basically living w/ this shit over our heads for the rest of our lives.
Agree. It's online brainwashing. She addressed every major issue (even young men's) and had policies to help with economic struggles and women's bodily autonomy; she communicated them simply, with joy and hope, and was inclusive of the old right and the far left. They chose an inarticulate rapist/felon/conman, high on hate, who promised to destroy democracy. And the talking heads are nitpicking her campaign and liveability? It's absurd.
Sam & Tim: Under Trump's administration, he signed into federal law a policy requiring prisons to offer inmates medical and gender affirming care. This was in 2018. Kamala brought this up several times. And she had a commercial about it during the same times Trump did. So, maybe we needed her to be more out loud with it, like Trump was, but please, when talking about this, just be careful with your information.
That policy was based on changes to the guidelines that Obama made while leaving office. Kamala affirmatively supported that policy - and then some. Policy that MOST people thought was so insane, they literally didn't believe it until shown the video (observation from Trump's campaign testing). Literally, my brother thought I was lying when I told him what Kamala said. It is insane. Completely insane.
@@mitsumeeshi unfortunately for Sam, asking him to be careful re: the “info” he’s spreading requires far more effort than he’s actually willing to put into anything. Well accept for his Islamophobia. He stops at nothing to spread that as thick as possible.
Trump never signed a federal law requiring trans surgeries for inmates. The BOP simply decided in a budget memo that they would start allowing it. Also, not a single federal inmates recieved surgery during the first trump administration. That occurred during Biden term. Go read the NYT article. Its a good thing chevron deference is gone and unelected bureaucrats won't make such crazy decisions.
I've loved sams work. I pay for all 3 of his subscription offerings: podcast, substack, and meditation. Tbs, I'm only 10 minutes in and he is not making good arguments here. Accusing Elon of being a drug addict, throwing out false qoutes, and challenging David Sacks to debate Anne Applebaum. Lol sacks would vanquish her quite easily BTW. Elon has used ketamine Legally under professional supervision. This idea that he's tweeting from a k hole every day is an epic strawman built by Harris. Harris shouldn't cry about Elon going after him directly after attacking him on his own podcast.
Sam confirms yet again the double standard that Harris faced. She said one thing on record 4-5 years ago and she's still crucified over it, but Trump says dozens of offensive, extreme, and outright false things every day and it's "what are you going to do? That's just Trump being Trump." The fact that so much of this interview is about trans issues says more about Sam than anything else.
Or perhaps Sam understands how much the trans issue resonates with a great many of us. In fact, it might have been enough to sway the election to Trump. Here in Michigan they played the "trans" campaign ad repeatedly! That sort of thing strikes home, while generic appeals to "not go back" just sound like empty air.
Speaking from my point a white 77 year old grandmother trying to keep up with the changes in our world. I desided not to go certain places technical. I just know right from wrong. You tell the truth, treat others like you would want to be treated, and do not judge others until you have walked jn their shoes. The minute Trump came on board I knew my world was in Great Danger.
My mom had the same response. While the rest of my family is well into the cult. I'm so proud of her, for living her values, instead of just preaching them.
That is exactly what distinguishes hardcore Trump supporters from normal people. Almost all of them are, like Trump, utterly amoral, and the few who have personal morals do not demand the same of their politicians for whatever reason. I hate Trump not because of his policies (to the extent he actually has any), but because he's a POS.
And if she had disavowed trans activism in any explicit way she would have lost support on the left. This is never part of anyone's math and it's infuriating. Left-leaning voters will punish their candidates for heterodoxy, and sometimes both sides of an issue are in the faction, such as with Gaza this year. Millions of people were going to stay home no matter what she said on that subject, it was just a matter of *which* millions.
Maybe because i am a psychiatrist, i never find trump funny---at best i find him sad, at worst dangerous and vindictive. I didn't even find him watchable on the Apprentice.
It is delusional to promote democracy when the country is owned by Citizens United & billionaires. see video: Morpheus: "You are a slave, Neo."... A Prison for Your Mind | The Matrix | [wage slavery] Both parties support endless war funds. The country has been a joke since Nixon. The public is taken for a mobster's ride. We are being set up for inflation which is class war. Joe Rogan has idiots on his show too. What we need is a national soapbox and some rational management of who gets to stand on it for how long.
@sjkcmd Agreed. If by funny they mean shameless and embarrassing, maybe? But he's not actually funny. His followers and staff tend to laugh at his "jokes" in the way one obligatorily laughs at a not very funny boss, making a not very funny joke.
As a non-psychiatrist, I can confirm that Trump has never made me laugh intentionally, and so I don't think that it's unique to your cohort. I've laughed AT him countless times, though, like when he exclaimed, "THEYRE EATING THE DAAAWGS!" during the debate. I thought then that it should have sealed the deal as an affirmation of his insanity, but alas, I was mistaken.😢
Again people saying this😡Kamala needed to do more of this or that. While Trump was insulting everyone, lying everyday, doing and saying insane and nasty things. The racist horror at MSG. Kamala did her best, she had great plans(not concepts)she is super qualified, smart, intelligent, great human being with morals and principles, but I guess half of this country wanted the horror show. 🤷🏻♀️
Right, the infantilizing of Trump voters is mind-boggling to me. At what point do they become accountable for the active choice that they made? Or is it always going to be a trans person's or a black woman's fault for not doing enough?
Most people, not all, aren’t going to choose to undertake painful procedures and choose to be the subject of harassment just for the fun of it. Work from that as a starting point.
yes, but ignoring the Republicans greatest weapon (Which Dem's created and handed them) is what lost them the election. Result will be greater wealth inequality, dumb 'libtards' to be blamed.
well, wealth inequality about to increase faster than ever, way to go libs (create the identity politics weapon and hand it to R's to bludgeon us with).
Sam overestimates the power and reach of the “far left” by a massive amount. These people he decried are way more fringe than he thinks they are. Tim did a good job arguing that point.
Yes, and it is also true that trans/DEI issues were marginal in Kamala Harris' campaign. But Sam Harris does not underestimate how these issues offer cannon fodder to the right. Trump's campaign spent 215 M$ on *one* antitrans ad, just because that was the one with the "best"/strongest response from the electorate. That is a fact.
I was just gonna say that. I feel like he has only been living in a Twitter/NYT bubble with regards to the “left” - whatever that is. Who are these extremists he keeps talking about driving the Democrat bus?! Dems are not a monolithic group, like most, but as far as politics goes, people tend to vote to the center.
I have seen Sam Harris on many channels and very much admire his intellect. I disagree with his analysis of Harris’ loss. His explanation does not address the clear double standard that was applied to Harris vs Trump. Everything Harris said was scrutinized and every interview critiqued. Meanwhile Trump spewing insults nonsense and fear mongering . Reporters grilled Harris on policies and let Trump get away with vague promises. Anyone truly paying attention who cared about our democracy as well as our economy and social safety nets should have clearly voted for Harris over Trump. On top of all that , a huge section of our population were totally willing to ignore Trumps complete corruption including his attempt to blatantly overthrow the results of our free and fair election. The double standard applied to these two candidates boggles the mind
@@lhoward9593you people live in a complete bubble. I'll tell you why she lost one it's embarrassing to be a Democrat nowadays for men especially, they're the party of gay weak men it's just a fact. Number two and most importantly they're on the wrong side of every issue endless wars, crypto stoppage, men and women's sports, open borders, big pharma profits over Americans health, there's not one thing that they are pushing that is popular in this country not one those are the major things I just described them right there to you and the reality is they're on the wrong side of every one of those
Haha You've got to be kidding me? They've already done this study a million times in the last one I read was 88% of remarks or negative about Trump and it was like 10% for Harris on the mainstream media. It's never been more one side in fact one of the major reasons I now vote Republican is because I am so tired of the mainstream media lies and hatred of the Republican party. You keep criticizing one group of people and no one likes bullies. This is why most of us vote Republican nowadays is the media is in cahoots with them. How can you have mainstream media, Hollywood, big tech and all the universities yet you still can't get half the people to support you,? I can tell you it's because your policies are terrible and people despise the Democratic party for the corruption and lies that they tell with the media
Tim, you spent your time trying to converse with a man who only talks in circles!!! You are so much better than this it is just about impossible to have a real conversation with someone who only comes from the intellect. We need a heart, a spirit to call us to the deepest truth and that opens conversation and welcomes the only element that will bring us to shared truth. Love is the element that leads to acceptance and change. Maureen
Here’s an idea: let’s not reduce Trans Americans to just a political branding issue. Literally just humans who deserve dignity, respect, and protective legislation. Also, they want lawmakers to get to work on the economy, so they can also pay their bills. ‘Magine that. 🙄
The Right-wing is obsessed with people's sexuality that is different from their own. Eye opener once again. My guess is they've been indoctrinated by religion
@@rosegarden3686peabrain, back up for a second. You're falling for THEIR trap if you think the Dems could have done anything vis a vis the Trans issue to win this election. The cake was baked on the economy. Period.
This garbage about public intellectualism, with its rigor and standards and principles, then sliding right into how he has very close friends who are so incurious and willfully oblivious that they just think Trump is funny and will shake things up and don't care about the insane ways in which he is destroying and will continue to destroy our republic is WILD. You want us to take you seriously when you hang out with MAGA-inclined weirdos? Nah, man. You are who you hang with.
I honestly do not get why so many people react to him that way. I don't find him snobbish or arrogant at all. He states his views clearly and strongly, yes, but that doesn't equate to arrogance for me.
The far left is a group I have never heard of, I am a progressive democrat and do think that some of the issues you talk about are over the top. But, the right is far more outrageous in behavior and beliefs that are not on the same par!
You are right,the right wants to make everyone bow to their will and ideas the left I think just wants to live and be treated equal to other human beings
Errrr....most Congresswomen could not care less if Sarah McBride uses the women's room. Or their locker room. Why is Sam Harris apologizing for Mace and Greene, who are trying to weaponize this issue?
If that was the purpose, it worked brilliantly. I assumed Tim was biting his tongue out of politeness but you may be on to something. Never really known Tim to demure this much.
I'm pretty intelligent but stymied at this gobbleygook gibberish. A terrible speaker and very difficult to listen to in plain English. So much trans-talk and such an authority on Kamala. I don't care how many degrees or books. Just WOW!!
The reason why Kamala kept saying "I'll follow the law" is because gender reassignment surgery in prison was a law that came about during the Trump administration. I'll give you that she should have made that part clear, but I don't think it would make a difference.
Totally! I posted that as well. :-) When we're mentioning Kamala on the Trans topic, we should bring that up, as well. People need to understand the hypocrisy with Trump on that issue.
Yes, that`s correct, but it`s bad messaging. It would be better to say: "This isn`t an issue that actually exists, we care about trans people having human rights and we care about everybody being able to make a decent living. Therefore we want to implement ... policies." If you have more time you can elaborate that there is TWO PEOPLE in the prison system in the whole of the US who received trans care, at least that`s the number I heard. It`s literally not an issue. Pointing out what the law is and that dems just follow that law is too complicated and it`s not taking a stance, people wanna see candidates take a stance.
I think they decided there was nothing she could say to respond to that that wasn’t playing right into Trump’s hands. And it didn’t matter, because the idea that there was a sizable percentage of the electorate that would have been swayed by that issue is ridiculous. Being able to speak to these issues better would be great, but throwing parts of our coalition under the bus in a futile attempt to counteract MAGA culture war attacks makes Dems weak.
from the comment section alone it seems pretty obvious that this was an important discussion to try and have even if the meaning didn’t make it through the barriers, the point is to try and understand where the other side is coming from even when you do not agree either them. Sam and Tim modeled how to have respectful disagreements very well imo
@emerraldx The way to "understand" is to ask questions. I don't see disrespect in the comments. For example, if someone says to me BLM is a grift, I'm going to ask why they say that. Sadly, we'll never get satisfaction in the comment section.
A study came out saying a majority of voters who voted against Kamala did so because they thought she cared more about niche social issues (trans) than them.
Let's face it, many on the left are doing the same thing. I don't hold him to a higher standard. It's natural for everyone to be emotional and confused at this time.
i don't think it helped her to not find a way to moderate the conversation, esp. with men. and being a woman, she was already behind the eight ball. it's not fair, it's not right but sadly it's the truth. until we democrats can look at ourselves and accept part of why we lost, we won't be able to win. winning is the goal. we have to stop calling everyone racists as well. we need to be able to talk about these difficult subjects.
I am shocked when certain analysts (even Never Trumpers) say that Trump has charisma…in what universe does this thoroughly despicable, incoherent, and vicious man have charisma? I don’t see it. I’ll never see it.
> "Kamala didn't disavow her sin [identity politics]" I dunno Sam, has Trump ever disavowed ANY of his sins? And we're talking about a LOT of them. Why does Kamala need to disavow and Trump doesn't? I really don't think Kamala disavowing this would have changed anything. Trump voters made up their minds before Kamala came into the picture.
Because once again she was held to a totally different standard than Trump. She had to be perfect, and even that wasn’t good enough. Meanwhile, he’s up there on stage simulating oral sex and the press barely covered it. How about asking Trump to apologize for his racist, homophobic comments?
Youre conflating personal behavior with policy positions. Trump for example both disavowed a federal abortion plan and Porject 2025 in this election. Obama claimed to be against gay marriage in 2008. Moderating on certain issues, even insincerely, really matters if you want to win elections.
Trump (and Republicans writ large) did not run against Kamala, he/they ran against the Democratic Party, the caricatured one as portrayed all over social and legacy media. The Dems are terrible, absolutely terrible at messaging, and they simply had their pants pulled down by the Republicans over and over again…
I just want these pretend pundits to switch up "trans" with "Asian" or "Black" and see if they feel good about themselves. Tim out there not even repping for the queer folk but I'm trying not to be too disappointed.
@@tammyshields2361 this supposed intellectual certainly has an axe to grind against trans people. He even admits the election loss was driven by post-pandemic rejection of incumbents and inflation. But then goes on a tirade against trans people.
@@tammyshields2361 Absolutely. The only thing more galling than the Trumpists’ spending more on anti-trans advertising than the government has ever spent on gender-affirming care - by a significant degree - is that that ad spending appears to have worked.
Respect and acceptance of others shouldn’t be a political liability.. And notice that even the “intellectuals” can’t make an argument without repeating extreme examples that don’t exist in reality! There’s so much dishonest, disingenuous messaging from the right that make it impossible for there to be unity politics.. My acceptance of others is not to blame for another’s ignorance and lack of a moral compass..
No, it nails it. I see this in my own social circle. They are insecure about the accomplishments of people they see as lower than them, doing better than them.
I don't disagree with the quote or agree with Sam, but question how much we can apply it to *the people Kamala needed to win over*. The usual intended meaning behind the quote highlights why I think she lost. The Democrat's progressive movement has traditionally not considered class as an identity. I think because until the last few decades, we didn't really need to. Mostly white, rural and suburban Americans were heavily privileged. We could focus on systemic issues involving race, sex, etc... Uplifting and providing opportunities to minorities and the disadvantaged. There's still a lot of work left, but wealth inequality has grown so much that recognizing class as an identity and showing you represent a progressive movement that isn't going to leave those people behind is essential in an election this close. Biden won their votes because of his pro-union, pro-worker background. A lot of them would have also voted for Bernie, because his message always prioritized class alongside things like race, gender, and sexual orientation. We've got to remove the stigma that white working class voters are inherently bigoted. Many are. But most aren't motivated by hate but instead they want to feel they are being represented.
I’ve worked support in a HS for 5 years. We have 1,000 students. We’ve had 2(TWO) transitioning students. WTF is ANYONES problem?! Civil Rights for all, ALWAYS!
I think we all believe that on the sane side of politics. I think Sam Harris is arguing that we need to ignore the more extreme rhetoric on the far left (eg no biological component to sex) while still affirming the rights of trans people and everyone else.
The problem is girls' and women's hard fought civil rights are being shit on. How anyone thinks electing Trump would help, I have no clue....but the fox being in charge of the hen house is why people care.
@@ShainRaley the whole point of these conversations is that we shouldn’t be alienating people that we don’t agree with on every single issue. If you tell everyone who thinks differently that they’re a bigot, then you can forget about ever being in government again.
I watched Harris speaking during the campaign, and she never looked like a hostage to the woke mob. She seemed like a thoughtful person who weighed her words and their effect, unlike her opponent and his unhinged rambling. I think Sam is kidding himself if he believes that any amount of explaining her change of heart would have satisfied the Joe Rogan voters. This election was about contempt toward women--the anti-Me Too election. These men were not going to vote for a woman, especially a black woman.
This is pretty much how I feel too. The double standard, asymmetry in Sam's words, is appalling. I think his perspective on Kamala seeming to mince words and dance around the difficult issues causing a problem for her is worth thinking about. IMO sticking so closely to the talking points may have convinced some people that she was just part of the democratic (small d) machine; an insider who is part of the problem. I don't agree with those people, but speaking in government-ese isn't how a person from the incumbent administration is going to effectively convince a Rogan listener that she represents meaningful change for THAT Rogan listener. The fact that a credible, educated person can't speak like an adult to half the electorate is troubling to me.
I think she made a principled choice to rise above the efforts to pull her down into the quagmire of identity politics. If she had, they would have harvested endless sound bites to attack her with. She trusted Americans to follow her on the high road because she believed in us. Sadly, collectively , we were unworthy of that trust.
I hate how we all are marginalizing DEI. DEI initiatives was never about giving unqualified people opportunities. DEI was about recognizing talent that went unnoticed due to race, color, ethnicity, and even geography. Now its become a dirty word. I thought it would never be considered bad not to consider diversity of thought as a value-added commodity.
Listen, I live in the Bay Area, the gayest, most liberal area of the country. I have a daughter in high school. The only people talking about trans issues are Fox News, and politicians. These issues don’t exist in the real world.
If a progressive party doesn't stand up for the equal rights of marginalized individuals, they are failing what should be their first priority. And yes it seems to be the only people bringing this issue up these days are the Republicans
@@ratm9190I'm too lazy to look but I'm pretty sure someone approached her and asked about it. So on that alone, she wasn't bringing it up. People corner politicians on controversial issues all the time. What are you gonna say in that situation? She wasn't running on it.
The right made this into an issue. No one else cares as much as they do. As far as I can tell most trans or non binary folks just want to be treated equally and not made a fuss about. Note that you almost never hear a actual trans or nonbinary person shouting about it. Fox News? All f'k'n day!
He also said there a pandemic of 16 year olds having double mastectomy that are the leftwings fault. I havent heard that before and sounds like something OAN would report
The democratic party's continued negligence of the impact this has had on its public perception has been, just was, is, and will continue to be a major obstacle to their goals.
MAGA don’t believe that trans ppl even exist… how and why tf should we be arguing over such specifics. Sam is crazy af and doesn’t even recognise where the right are… there are no rightwing pro trans politicians…
@@topeka088Tesla and SpaceX are both propped up by government subsidies, tariffs on Chinese EVs, and lies he's spread about self driving (and totally not making tons and tons of space junk to dominate high-speed trading). Without continued public support both of those companies would be gone within the decade.
@@topeka088 Nope, I think every penny should be taken away from him and every other billionaire. If (as seems to be the case) we can't regulate money in politics, just take the money away from the ones abusing it to distort politics. 🙂
I don’t take anyone seriously who uses woke as a derogatory term. Why is trans radical, but all the batshit crazy stuff Trump said not radical? Why isn’t he asking Trump to denounce the proud boys or all the crazy shit associated with him?
And that you don't take his comments seriously show you are close minded and is where you fail. He obviously said Trump was a disaster, but unless said exactly what you wanted to hear, you are unhappy. Keep that up and you will watch the Dems lose again and again!!!
What term would you use to describe the rise of this scolding identiarian politics? It’s just a useful term that describes a set of ideas. But sure, denial that we have a vulnerability there is the real answer.
Trans itself is not radical, but the trans activists demanding absolute compliance with their views are the one who are radical. Trans people, the same as everyone else, deserve political and legal equality. But activists go way beyond that. All people should be allowed to live their lives how they want, unless it impinges on someone else. The activists are trying to impinge.
Your attitude, ironically is why Trump just retook power. For the love of God look in the mirror and see how muchthe far Left is harming the Democratic Party. The activists care more about grand standing than winning elections.
Good on Tim for asking this guy about Sarah McBride. After spending 30 minutes telling us that Kamala Harris lost because she wasn't anti-trans enough, when asked about an actual, real trans person, this guy did the classic sidestep of "I did't know about that."
Sam admitting that he's willing to trade rights away to make other people more comfortable is pretty sad to hear. Every minority group that becomes more visible is going to make people uncomfortable by virtue of their newness. It's not like any of this is new or doesn't have historical analogues
I love this channel but am disappointed that Tim didnt push back more on Sam Harris. His blaming of the left for supporting diversity and individual rights in the face of the clear threat we are facing is so predictable and tired. His repetition of unfounded Republican talking points does no service to anyone but Republicans.
Yeah, Harris is a textbook reactionary who has always had a chapped ass when it comes to marginalized groups. Anyone who solely focuses on the group with the least amount of power and influence is a coward and a bully, in my opinion.
Keep thinking that way and our country will fall into fascism. You sound so clueless to someone who fought for civil rights, women's rights, environmental rights and gay rights before you were freaking born. Wake the F up !!!
I am beginning to actually love Tim Miller. He has a way. I have seen him do this thing of bringing his interlocutor's predilections out with many of these folk who think they can just hoodwink us. I was sorry to see Charlie go. I have to say, Tim - Mr. Miller brings it. The Bulwark abides, Man.
Tim, I’m sorry you had to go through this. He’s oozing with contempt for us, with no enlightenment whatsoever. I’m no longer sure Sam is as smart as he thinks he is. I found him creepy.
Typical woke comment ~ he does not have an ax to grind with trans people, he is simply saying why Dems lost ~ because they gave MAGA the bullets to shoot at them
This was so disappointing. I am a Bukwark fan and paid subscriber, and “woke maniac,” apparently. The amount of contempt towards trans people and civil rights advocates in this conversation was really disgusting. These people really are conservatives.
@@natashastovallph.d.3716 I absolutely agree! I usually love Tim Miller but this is disappointing for sure. Wish he’d challenged him more if he disagrees.
Exactly. 0.6% of Americans identify as trans. That’s a teeny tiny amount. Rationally we should only give it 0.6% of our national attention. But the Right has a way of demonizing trivial things. A true straw-man argument. “Don’t trust Democrats on trade policy because they want to turn your girl into a boy without your consent.” The fault lies in our human frailty. Without education, it’s easy for us to believe in lies. I suspect that’s a major reason the Right wants to hobble education in this country; to make it easier to control us.
I am happy Tim did at least push back about the trans issues and pointed out that the whole discussion in congress about which toilet to use is performative and none of these women is actually afraid of their colleague.
Gotta say I respect Sam’s spiritual wisdom. But his political acumen seems way off. I’m a Democratic Socialist and I can tell you with certainty that there is no “left” in this country! The so-called “left” position today would have been considered moderate right 30 years ago. Also, ease up on the trans people they are on a journey, not my journey, but whatever happened to “live and let live” in this country?
Without even realizing it, you just perfectly described why the far left are targeted so frequently... "Democratic Socialist". The only word heard is "Socialist". Here's a thought for all of those proud Democratic Socialists. Try saying "Social Democrat". It's the same thing but won't make people shut down or walk away the moment you speak.
Who is stopping freedom and pursuit of happiness of trans people?? You can have the same rights the rest of the people have but you cannot deny reality and say men can be a woman and insist others to part take in your belief when others do not belief it because it's completely denying reality
It’s been a hard truth of the GOP for about 20 years, they have been willing to go along with just about anyone who furthered their influence or power. They almost never hold themselves accountable to their supposed values.
Twenty-five, thirty years ago it was the gays and lesbians who were the far left and scaring the normies with their calls for marriage rights, etc. I don't think blaming trans people for being too weird is helpful. Defund the police was a little nuts.
Lost me at ‘far left has cultural influence’. I was excited to hear his examples and wasn’t let down. His first one was people ‘vandalizing’ art. Ludicrous to think people this have influence. The only thing the people he lists off do is provide fodder, but that’s not reason to just buy the right’s weak ass criticisms.
Exactly. A handful of those incidents does not compare to the march of fascism in democratic countries. And pretending it's equal is a strategic lie that Sam Harris is helping spread.
Before WWI in the UK the suffragettes really vandalized works of art to draw public attention to their struggle for their right to vote. They had to do it because nobody cared. Women obviously didn't have a lobby in the places of power. They were locked up and mistreated for their actions. Male politicians only cared when women had to fill the vacancies left by the soldiers fighting WWI.
I had to start skipping ahead because he seemed to make his point and then… kept talking and talking and talking. It became clear that Sam thinks the trans issue was what swung the election because he is personally put off by it.
Does Mr. Harris even know any trans people personally? How unfortunate that people use others as political footballs. Tim please consider having more balance on this show. Thanks or discussing matters calmly at least.
For the same reason they vilify immigrants, even legal status immigrants: someone else to blame so they don't realise that it's actually the wealthy 1%'s fault
because its breaking reality, you are basically telling X is Y but when actually X is just X and can never be Y. Its defying reality in front of you eyes
I thought Sam was being disingenuous here. There is no mistaking the hateful and confrontational nature of Nancy Mace’s many, many emails. Johnson was just being a prick, as usual.
I'm glad to see that I'm not the only one who is uncomfortable about this discussion of the "trans issue" as opposed to trans people. It's a bit shocking, to be honest. MAGA made it an issue, not Dems. Dems simply added the group to the ever-growing circle of inclusiveness. Here's the bottom line, though, and they discussed it here. The political arena has a double standard, notably in the news media. Dems are held to a standard they aspire to, while MAGA has no standards. The basic agreements of kindness, honesty, and loyalty (I could go on) have been tossed out. They are in a win-win situation with their faithful followers and with those who don't watch them closely. They project onto Dems the very things they are doing and deny it (or ignore it) when confronted about it (i.e., doggedly attempting to manipulate which ballots are counted). How in the ever lovin' hell can the Dems compete with that? It's upside-down world. The only hope I have is based on how close this election was. It seems that at least 50% are paying attention.
It is, I listened to Sam for probably 3 or 4 years before it started really getting to me at the height of his IDW days. He is definitely smart, but he let's his personal conclusions take on the air of a reality so obvious the rest of society is simply stupid for ever having considered it. That is upsetting. His opinions about trans people has been slightly affected by this, but it's more prevalent in his opinions about Muslims, which i largely share but the way in which he communicates them is incredibly belittling. I can only listen to him sparingly, and do.
@@rosegarden3686 @rosegarden3686 not at all...I fully admit Sam is far more intelligent and knowledgeable thank I am, but nat a fan of arrogance. One can be smart without being brusk. Perhaps you missed the point of my original response.
How come regular people who vote Democratic are not seen as the left? I don't riot on campuses, I don't think that the people who riot on college campuses represent me. I believe in labour unions and making sure local farmers have what they need to do their job getting agra to allow farmers to have living wages. The only place for that is historically the Democratic party and I haven't seen any actual movement on the Republican Party to cover that? Where do people who believe that people should get a fair wage go? I'm a Democrat the people who are on those college campuses don't represent me and never have. I find his initial argument completely disingenuous to look at children and say that that is the party is ridiculous.
Trump has literally never disavowed a damn thing he's ever said but Harris has to be perfect. Why does everyone keep bringing up the trans issue that was a trump policy????
It's nice to know that another public figure I used to respect thinks that I, a trans woman, am part of this "crazy left". I'm so "delusional", I guess.
Ugh. As a psychologist I’m not at all stoked about Sam Harris. Pretty disturbed by how openly anti trans he is. Regardless, it feels like a dangerous oversimplification that unfairly targets an already marginalized group.
Not to mention, turnout was already low. I imagine a certain number on the left may not have shown up for the VP if she came out as anti trans, much as those passionate about Palestine may have just stayed home.
Exactly. He hates the mythical far left. We don’t have a far left in this country. We don’t have trans activists either that was all on the right. They made those posters about trans people in girls sports and told people that their kids would come home a different sex. This guy is a left hater
He seems to be saying that the entire right is un-redeemable. He’s also saying that the Left would benefit from a realignment with reality, because identity politics are a distraction.
I'm 74, from Cali, many were Woke back in that day. Not sticking up for how the Vets were treated. I always respected the Vets and I was Woke. I Believed in true history, inclusion, helping other people and caring about our planet. I don't care who loves who. I'm a Christian and I believe Jesus is the judge, not us. Now what the hell is wrong with any of that?
51% of the nation loves him enough to vote for him. Maybe you need to find a country that is more compatible with your personality. Have you looked into North Korea?
I don't have a problem hearing opinions from people that are different than mine, but why is there no pushback on his more ridiculous stances? If you're going to have San Harris on as a guest or someone like him, I think he should be challenged a bit more. This isn't an issue of being in an echo chamber. It's intellectually incurious to have a guest say platitude after platitude and not follow up even a little bit.
If they define woke we will see that it’s simply inclusion of the marginalized people and realizing the systemic and social indoctrination of white supremacy. And this pushback usually makes them aware of this.
More specifically, it’s a “straw man” argument. Example, “Don’t trust Democrats on trade policy because they want to turn your girl into a boy without your permission.” Then typically the argument becomes about how no, Democrats are not trying to turn your girl into a boy, rather than discussing the differences in trade policy between Democrats and Republicans.
This is such a dangerous attitude. It's a bigger issue than you could possibly imagine. I'm a democratic voter all my life and even I have though about raising a kid and having teachers secretly discussing their sexual identity without me present. It's a horror story.
@@mikeyj.phillyi just don’t believe there are many teachers out there doing that. Btw - i am a teacher. They are using the same fear mongering rhetoric they used to demonize gay and lesbians 20 years ago. It’s an invented problem intended to marginalize people.
Once upon a time, gay marriage activism did brand damage to Democrats too. But it was still a compassionate and noble cause, to champion the expansion of rights for a misunderstood and maligned minority of the population. Sure, some elements of trans activism probably go too far, or miss the mark, as is the case with all activism. But if the case against it is “voters don’t like it”, my response is “activism can change voters’ views”. Abandoning trans individuals to the hatred and scapegoating of Republicans may be utilitarian - but it is cowardly and ignoble. Winning elections is important, yes. But so are principles - as evidenced by the rampant moral decay of the Republicans, who have abandoned all their principles in pursuit of victory. And the principle of compassion and standing up for minority communities under siege is a core principle of modern Democrats.
I had no idea that Joe Rogan had somehow taken over the show. Tim did nothing to call out the ridiculous crap Sam Harris was spewing about trans people.
Yes, Tim was warmly respectful 😂… but I got say … Sam Harris is truly despised on Lefty leaning Channels… specially for his political views on Trans issues. I could go into Gaza … but not all Lefty Channels will spend much of their time on Gaza … but they would also occasionally laugh about Sam Harris. I think, personally he is gone fully Republican, at least these days I would think he was a Democrat any longer … he does ally himself much closer to a conservative.
I am 100% certain that Sam's participation in the red pill online movement helped build Trump's online army empire. Sam has done more than anyone else to promote Jordan Peterson and Ben Shapiro and the Weinsteins as rational actors.
Yay Sam did about 20% of what he should have done with Joe Rogan before the election with Tim Miller. Just in time. Really going after that Trump audience and trying to argue the case.
@@AndyRosebrookActually Sam and Bret Weinstein are no longer on speaking terms. And I don't think he's that crazy about Peterson and Shapiro these days either.
I heard a priest give a sermon, "U need an adult faith. I meet so many people who are savvy about business matters, civic matters, family dynamics, church, family interaction, everything, but, when it comes to religion, they sound like a 6-year-old." People like that (about politics) are vulnerable to manipulation.
Maybe because the poor encompasses everyone: all colors, creeds, nationalities, etc.. If we saw what we have in common vs what makes us different there's a risk that we might band together. "They" know the value of divide and conquer.
Sam Harris is a bit up his own spout about his grievance about the cultural power of some barely existing uber left wing in the country considering Harris's platform was not that distinguishable from the right of center of 15 years ago
Agreed! I watched as much as I could, but didn't quite make it to the end. When he started talking (with great "authority" it seemed) about trans issues and identity politics, he completely lost me. Show me where, at any point, Kamala ran on those agenda items... matter of fact, I'd challenge anyone to point to a speech or interview where she initiated a conversation with those talking points. My problem with all of this is this: What's in it for Mr. Harris to repeat these false narratives???
@@jeffbeadle973Tell me if this would sound crazy : "Trump didn't run on banning abortion. How can anyone attach that idea to him." Trans ideology is attached to the democratic party whether you like it or not. Even if she specifically disavowed the trans agenda, it wouldn't fool anyone. Look at her pivot to being a border hawk. No one believd her.
Interesting. You’re saying that many people of hispanic origin didn’t like the label used to describe them by other people? And we should listen to them and use the words they feel comfortable with? 🤔 Where else might we possibly apply this, Sam?
Sam Harris is right that the far left often means something most people disagree with when they say “trans women are women”-such as erasing all distinctions between trans and cis women. However, the center and moderate left use the same slogan to advocate for inclusion and rights in ways that fit comfortably within the public’s Overton window. The issue is that the right exploits this ambiguity, painting the entire left as extreme, while the left struggles to articulate these differences clearly. What’s far more concerning, though, is the real harm being done to young people who face the sudden termination of their gender-affirming care and social support. This can lead to devastating outcomes, including mental health crises. Moreover, the “first they came for…” parable is a stark reminder of the broader implications: the right disproportionately targets trans people because it serves as a strategic wedge for advancing censorship in schools, libraries, and healthcare; dismantling workplace nondiscrimination protections and benefits; and normalizing cruelty and dehumanization. The apparent equanimity among many in the anti-Trump coalition since our election loss-embracing the idea that we can cede policy ground by abandoning trans people-is deeply disturbing. It suggests a willingness to sacrifice the most vulnerable in pursuit of broader political gains, which undermines the very liberal-democratic and civil-society principles our coalition claims to defend.
I don't think that "there are zero differences between cis and trans women" is a talking point I've ever heard from any leftist. I've heard it as a chant and as a stonewalling rebuttal, but never as a substitute for "there are zero differences between the bodies/experiences/etc. of cis and trans women". From what I've seen, trans acceptance across the entire left spectrum is about recognition, legal rights, access to resources, and dignitity.
Well articulated, thank you. Sam Harris is very privileged to be able to view time used to talk politics as merely an opportunity cost, and to look down (with blame!) at progressive activists as a frivolous class.
@@gpwaltz Well, that’s the difficulty of trying to understand the motivations behind a talking point whose premise you disagree with-finding a way to even talk about it that both accurately describes it and is comprehensible to its opponents. What’s your understanding of how “trans women are women” - which, to me as well, sounds perfectly reasonable - became a radioactive slogan? It isn’t like this is a critique I’ve never heard from anyone but Sam Harris.
@@TreyHarris It's a difficult slogan. I like Natalie Wynn/Contrapoints' take, which is (IIRC) that it's a slogan that virtue signals to people who are already on your side, but at the same time invites the knotty (and kinda irrelevant!) philosophical question "What is a woman?" And that a more tangible, compelling slogan might be "Trans liberation now!" What are the demands of trans liberation? How would they get it? When you set your opponent up to now define and defend *womanhood*, you are fighting the wrong battle, IMO. I support trans rights, but that's not contingent on me having a water-tight definition of womanhood or believing that every single trans woman is this transcendentally "feminine" person. Gay people don't have to prove to me that they only have romantic and sexual attraction toward the same sex. It's about understanding what these people are asking for out of society/community/government.
Can we all stop blaming trans people for the issues of the Democratic party. We cannot and should not stop fighting for trans rights to appease the bigots. There is plenty to fix but suggesting we walk away from and throw whole group of people under the bus in order to win elections is disgusting.
What I find amazing is EVERY trans-person I have had interaction with they are THE most understanding and reasonable about others not fully understanding their situation. Nothing like what we hear from the frigging media.
most trans people are sensible people, but a good chunk of trans activists are batshit insane.
I've found a much wider range of attitudes among trans people. People who behave as you describe and others who attack you if you acknowledge the concept of biological sex. The media likes to focus on the latter.
The trans panic isn’t about reality, it’s about people who feel threatened by changing world views. These folks clearly don’t know any actual trans people or have heard their personal stories of bullying and erasure. There’s reactionary mentality among the center and center-left is shocking. Real trans people don’t deserve to be the elitists’ scapegoat.
I know perhaps half a dozen trans people. They are about as wonderful and annoying as anyone else. Its almost entirely a nothing burger.
@JDK516 i think biological sex is not the issue it the gender part that many give no respect to
Sam's right that the GOP doesn't violate its standards because it has none to violate.
It's been said about the left that if it weren't for double standards, they wouldn't have any either. Don't be scared about government spending oversight ....
@mikegoetz3184 republicans always add to the debt. Democrats bring down the debt Bill Clinton gave George Bush a surplus and Bush blew that out of the water. Trump added 8 trillion and Biden brought that down.
@@mikegoetz3184government spending oversight is one thing. Slashing the ACA , Medicare/Medicaid and social security is entirely different. Getting rid of the Department of Education and NOAA is absolutely insane.
Trumpism has given Republicans the belief that unethical behavior is fine as long as our side wins.
@ ever notice that education has been going down hill since the inception of the Dept of Education ? Imagine how much cheaper health care and insurance would be if all poisons / toxins were mandated out of our foods ....
I don't like that tolerance of personal autonomy is fringe. LGBTQ + rights shouldn't be taboo. Intolerance should be taboo.
There was a libertarian freedom group of trump supporters that are now anti freedom. It’s hard to understand
It's not tolerance. It's bullying people to put pronouns in their signature block, etc
@@TheHSIHP this is so not a real issue. I've worked in corporate tech jobs since 1999 and never once was I bullied, never once did anyone I worked with felt they were bullied. No one actually cares.
@@TheHSIHP did that happen to you?
@@TheHSIHPwhat bullying? I think the point was the only place that was happening was online. A Twitter bubble, if you will.
I appreciate Tim (and The Bukwark) offering guests with different points of view. It strikes me as Sam was describing Kamala’s failure in responding to trans activism that when he was asked how he would respond to the bigoted moves by Nancy Mace and Mike Johnson, he struggled to come up with a clear answer for a topic he seems really passionate about. It’s hard to admit when you think a specific group or population doesn’t really matter but it would be helpful for folks to start off being honest. Clearly this is a small population of our country but a complicated issue. Politics is personal and as someone who has a close family member who is trans, I don’t want to see them vilified for just existing. That vilification often starts at the top. Sam’s falling back to Kamala not being smart or articulate as an excuse rings sort of hollow too and smacks of the nonsense we heard from the tech side during the campaign. Did he not listen to any of her speeches, any of her rallies, her incredible debate performance? This line of reasoning is insane and doesn’t fit the reality - it burned me when I heard that during the campaign and it really burns me now.
Yup, just like abortion. It's none of your business, Sam. Wow Conservatives are soo obsessed with other people's private sexuality. 😮
Meanwhile, Trump is a liar and a psychopath - and sounds like exactly what his former cabinet members described him as - a moron. I guarantee you that if Kamala were a white man, she would be acknowledged as brilliant and capable.
I love you Tim, buuuuut Sam Harris is a HUGE intellectual A-hole! For 90% of black men who have been pulled over by the police, getting police to wear body cams and understand that ... Black Lives Do Indeed Matter ... has changed that dynamic 180 degrees.
Thanks for reminding me why I stopped listening to Sam Harris
It's unbelievable isn't it? I don't think I've seen somebody fall harder or further faster than he has. I can't believe I'm listening to the same open minded man and he is so brainwashed by the mainstream media narrative in the Democratic party lies. It's really sad
Same.
ELON MUSK IS NOT AN ENGINEER!
He has a Bachelor in Economics and in Physics from the University of Pennsylvania.
He inherited a lot of money and invested it well by buying different tech companies. The companies were founded and are run by actual engineers. He is just the owner and the charismatic figurehead of these companies.
Yeah WHY did he keep referring to Elon that way? I should have stopped there
Omg Elonia loses credibility everyday.
The truth hurts is why most people avoid it at all cost.
Charis-what?
End of the Monopoly game: when one player has so much money they can’t lose no matter what they do.
Kamala had to be perfect but Trump got a pass on all his bullshit! Give me a break!!
She had to be flawless, he’s allowed to be lawless.
It was the very fine people hoax that people to the drinking bleach hoax then the Russian pee pee hoax to the "He flushed Nuclear secrets down the toilet hoax.
We Democrats based everything on hoaxes. We should have been honest. We should have said that we proudly suckle on a government teat by using the government's monopoly on force to fund the government teat that we all so proudly suckle. The American people need to make a choice. Do they want to join us in suckling in the government teat. Or do they want to remain a freedom loving MAGA type and have the Democrat boot of tyranny put on their throats.
Instead we made up 1000 hoaxes that could be easily debunked
Sam says here it would have been easy for Kamala to debunk this flurry of defamation.
WRONG.
She probably even did it, but the media (incl. e.g. Twitter) would not spread it. It did not matter whether blatant lie or not, any defamation was spread - and that is so primitive that it sticks.
Like the AI image of her in red communist uniform.
I can follow Sam that the left has some loony guys with even more loony ideas, but that is also a result of the untethered chaos of ideas that the left allows, but where most people just subscribe to small subsets.
While the (often christian) right is bound to subscribe to the complete set of dogmas their peers define for them.
A conspiracy I could readily imagine is that currently the whole west is flooded by Putin-financed and Putin-designed Agitprop (the perfect word for it) to disrupt, divide and destabilize these societies.
And we are vulnerable to that.
Up to now each party wanted to pursue their interests - under the restraint of maintaining a functional peaceful society.
No restraint needed by Putin, expert ex-KGB agent. The more chaos, the better for him.
And the western oligarchs also have no issue with a depression, they feel too big to fail, for them a depression is an opportunity to buy up all the broke enterprises for nothing and multiply their power.
But it's true. It sucks. It's awful. It's not fair. But it's true.
Because people like Sam manipulated their audiances to be fearful and distrusting of others. Gaslighting is a term overused but in this case his explanation of the elections is just a cover for how the right has hypnotized a large swath of the American public into states of hate and anger. Trump just rode that wave as he rode the wave of Gop bs. They are the problem and any one from that world pointing at Dei as the problem is just furthering the lie.
I watched this all the way through and while I value hearing all perspectives, it wouldn’t hurt my feelings if this guest was not brought back on.
100%!!! A million years ago I had respect for Harris. But then he became full out racist against Muslims. Back then that was his soapbox. Now it’s trans-issues. He is over the top. Really??? She lost the election because of trans-issues.
🎉🎉🎉 my thoughts exactly. He is the one living in an Echo chamber.
1,000% agree! He kinda got my dander up lol. Tim handled it fabulously, though, so that was nice.
Me, too.
Preach. Harris is such a fraud.
Bathrooms - these same people wanted to bring guns onto the house floor 😮 41:53 this is bs
As someone who actually lives around the masses that voted for Trump... I'm sorry Sam but you talking about her needing to articulate a specific position more, or try to say she changed her mind on the trans stuff couldn't be more futile.
People here in the Midwest would've just blamed her for swapping her stance on trans and used it against her. To think that people voting for Trump need to hear anything more articulated, is just wrong.
Sure maybe it helps the silicon valley billionaires swap their vote for her to fight 'woke'... But After listening to Tim interview multiple of these rich people, it's clear that they were looking for any and every reason to vote against her.
She could have been giving away cancer cures for free at hospitals in Iowa and the dying cancer patients would simply say, "gotta die sometime... Maga"
Appreciate the info mate, but the war is against social media and the need to fight false info.
This guy seems to suffer from "Los Angeles Derangement Syndrome." I get it, I was born and raised in CA. It can be weird. But he's lost the plot. He actually thinks the whole country is like LA, I guess? He needs to get out more.
@@ShainRaley exactly. I think he spent too much time on college campuses too cause these woke trans stuff is prevalent there but IRL people are just living their life
@@Chibabachacho It's actually a bit depressing that college campuses are still emersed in woke dogma. With no way to wake them from their dogmatic slumber due to the political breakdown of campuses. (E.g., in 1970 it was basically 1:1. In 2022 the humanities was at something like 50:1 D to R.) And you know if they ever gain power over social media and news media again, they'll force it on everyone. Basically living w/ this shit over our heads for the rest of our lives.
YES! i keep saying we will continue to lose unless we go after the maga media brainwash machine.
Agree. It's online brainwashing. She addressed every major issue (even young men's) and had policies to help with economic struggles and women's bodily autonomy; she communicated them simply, with joy and hope, and was inclusive of the old right and the far left. They chose an inarticulate rapist/felon/conman, high on hate, who promised to destroy democracy. And the talking heads are nitpicking her campaign and liveability? It's absurd.
Sam & Tim: Under Trump's administration, he signed into federal law a policy requiring prisons to offer inmates medical and gender affirming care. This was in 2018. Kamala brought this up several times. And she had a commercial about it during the same times Trump did. So, maybe we needed her to be more out loud with it, like Trump was, but please, when talking about this, just be careful with your information.
That policy was based on changes to the guidelines that Obama made while leaving office. Kamala affirmatively supported that policy - and then some. Policy that MOST people thought was so insane, they literally didn't believe it until shown the video (observation from Trump's campaign testing). Literally, my brother thought I was lying when I told him what Kamala said. It is insane. Completely insane.
This. She “followed the law” just like the Trump admin did.
@@mitsumeeshi unfortunately for Sam, asking him to be careful re: the “info” he’s spreading requires far more effort than he’s actually willing to put into anything. Well accept for his Islamophobia. He stops at nothing to spread that as thick as possible.
Trump never signed a federal law requiring trans surgeries for inmates. The BOP simply decided in a budget memo that they would start allowing it. Also, not a single federal inmates recieved surgery during the first trump administration. That occurred during Biden term. Go read the NYT article. Its a good thing chevron deference is gone and unelected bureaucrats won't make such crazy decisions.
I've loved sams work. I pay for all 3 of his subscription offerings: podcast, substack, and meditation. Tbs, I'm only 10 minutes in and he is not making good arguments here. Accusing Elon of being a drug addict, throwing out false qoutes, and challenging David Sacks to debate Anne Applebaum. Lol sacks would vanquish her quite easily BTW. Elon has used ketamine Legally under professional supervision. This idea that he's tweeting from a k hole every day is an epic strawman built by Harris.
Harris shouldn't cry about Elon going after him directly after attacking him on his own podcast.
Sam confirms yet again the double standard that Harris faced. She said one thing on record 4-5 years ago and she's still crucified over it, but Trump says dozens of offensive, extreme, and outright false things every day and it's "what are you going to do? That's just Trump being Trump." The fact that so much of this interview is about trans issues says more about Sam than anything else.
Because Kamala was running on being better than Trump, not the same
@@mikeyj.phillyShe is better than Trump as MAGAs will discover
@@lhoward9593 You think that is relevant to the discussion of winning the 2024 election? Or are you just venting personal shit?
Or perhaps Sam understands how much the trans issue resonates with a great many of us. In fact, it might have been enough to sway the election to Trump. Here in Michigan they played the "trans" campaign ad repeatedly! That sort of thing strikes home, while generic appeals to "not go back" just sound like empty air.
Exactly. Mental gymnastics to avoid the real issue
Speaking from my point a white 77 year old grandmother trying to keep up with the changes in our world. I desided not to go certain places technical. I just know right from wrong. You tell the truth, treat others like you would want to be treated, and do not judge others until you have walked jn their shoes. The minute Trump came on board I knew my world was in Great Danger.
My mom had the same response. While the rest of my family is well into the cult. I'm so proud of her, for living her values, instead of just preaching them.
That is exactly what distinguishes hardcore Trump supporters from normal people. Almost all of them are, like Trump, utterly amoral, and the few who have personal morals do not demand the same of their politicians for whatever reason. I hate Trump not because of his policies (to the extent he actually has any), but because he's a POS.
I agree with your values and agree with your disapproval of all things Trump.
Sam spent 90% effort talking about 1% issue…. LGBTQ is not the focus… the $$$, control and power behind the rise of fascism is the focus….
Sam blames trans people and the left for Trump. That’s Sam’s whole shtick and he ain’t changing for nothing 😂
the $$$, control and power behind the rise of socialism is the problem
You ppl have to seriously calm down. If enough of you delude yourselves into believing this, you will actually destroy the country.
lol. Still going on about the fascism thing?
Good luck with that, and I hope you enjoy continuing to lose.
@@erc9468 These ppl are so far gone.
Double standard, Trump didn't have to disavow any of the things that he has said and done. Including all the the lies!!!
This drives me insane!
And if she had disavowed trans activism in any explicit way she would have lost support on the left. This is never part of anyone's math and it's infuriating. Left-leaning voters will punish their candidates for heterodoxy, and sometimes both sides of an issue are in the faction, such as with Gaza this year. Millions of people were going to stay home no matter what she said on that subject, it was just a matter of *which* millions.
Sam Harris has no idea what he's talking about sadly he doesn't know real people
Then people like Sam come through and blame the left.
@@mustermas he was just plain annoying
Maybe because i am a psychiatrist, i never find trump funny---at best i find him sad, at worst dangerous and vindictive. I didn't even find him watchable on the Apprentice.
It is delusional to promote democracy when the country is owned by Citizens United & billionaires. see video: Morpheus: "You are a slave, Neo."... A Prison for Your Mind | The Matrix | [wage slavery]
Both parties support endless war funds. The country has been a joke since Nixon. The public is taken for a mobster's ride. We are being set up for inflation which is class war. Joe Rogan has idiots on his show too. What we need is a national soapbox and some rational management of who gets to stand on it for how long.
@sjkcmd Agreed. If by funny they mean shameless and embarrassing, maybe? But he's not actually funny. His followers and staff tend to laugh at his "jokes" in the way one obligatorily laughs at a not very funny boss, making a not very funny joke.
@@cmonkey272pity at best, sadly vindictive mental narcissistic psychopath when I ponder. Never could see what anyone saw in him.
@@cmonkey272He’s funny if one finds bullying and degrading others funny, which I don’t.
As a non-psychiatrist, I can confirm that Trump has never made me laugh intentionally, and so I don't think that it's unique to your cohort. I've laughed AT him countless times, though, like when he exclaimed, "THEYRE EATING THE DAAAWGS!" during the debate. I thought then that it should have sealed the deal as an affirmation of his insanity, but alas, I was mistaken.😢
Again people saying this😡Kamala needed to do more of this or that. While Trump was insulting everyone, lying everyday, doing and saying insane and nasty things. The racist horror at MSG. Kamala did her best, she had great plans(not concepts)she is super qualified, smart, intelligent, great human being with morals and principles, but I guess half of this country wanted the horror show.
🤷🏻♀️
Right, the infantilizing of Trump voters is mind-boggling to me. At what point do they become accountable for the active choice that they made? Or is it always going to be a trans person's or a black woman's fault for not doing enough?
I agree and this guest pissed me off.
@@Talk2mom121Yeah, I find him to be a complete tool. Smug AF.
Less than half of Americans voted for this! Too many people sat this out
The Harris he describes is not who I saw.
Love the push back. Thanks, Tim.
Most people, not all, aren’t going to choose to undertake painful procedures and choose to be the subject of harassment just for the fun of it. Work from that as a starting point.
Wealth inequality is the problem. When you can buy a Supreme Court Justice or a Senator.
or a President.
yes, but ignoring the Republicans greatest weapon (Which Dem's created and handed them) is what lost them the election. Result will be greater wealth inequality, dumb 'libtards' to be blamed.
well, wealth inequality about to increase faster than ever, way to go libs (create the identity politics weapon and hand it to R's to bludgeon us with).
Sam overestimates the power and reach of the “far left” by a massive amount. These people he decried are way more fringe than he thinks they are. Tim did a good job arguing that point.
He's a clown guys - he knows very little of what he talks
Totally agree. Seems a little diff from I when I first started listening to him about religion a decade ago.
Yes, and it is also true that trans/DEI issues were marginal in Kamala Harris' campaign. But Sam Harris does not underestimate how these issues offer cannon fodder to the right. Trump's campaign spent 215 M$ on *one* antitrans ad, just because that was the one with the "best"/strongest response from the electorate. That is a fact.
Harris has been on that anti-left "You're not allowed to say what I'm saying" grift for ages.
I was just gonna say that. I feel like he has only been living in a Twitter/NYT bubble with regards to the “left” - whatever that is. Who are these extremists he keeps talking about driving the Democrat bus?! Dems are not a monolithic group, like most, but as far as politics goes, people tend to vote to the center.
I have seen Sam Harris on many channels and very much admire his intellect. I disagree with his analysis of Harris’ loss. His explanation does not address the clear double standard that was applied to Harris vs Trump. Everything Harris said was scrutinized and every interview critiqued. Meanwhile Trump spewing insults nonsense and fear mongering . Reporters grilled Harris on policies and let Trump get away with vague promises. Anyone truly paying attention who cared about our democracy as well as our economy and social safety nets should have clearly voted for Harris over Trump. On top of all that , a huge section of our population were totally willing to ignore Trumps complete corruption including his attempt to blatantly overthrow the results of our free and fair election. The double standard applied to these two candidates boggles the mind
Agreed!
I believe she lost principally because of sexism and racism.
@NYLor00
Exactly!
@@lhoward9593you people live in a complete bubble. I'll tell you why she lost one it's embarrassing to be a Democrat nowadays for men especially, they're the party of gay weak men it's just a fact. Number two and most importantly they're on the wrong side of every issue endless wars, crypto stoppage, men and women's sports, open borders, big pharma profits over Americans health, there's not one thing that they are pushing that is popular in this country not one those are the major things I just described them right there to you and the reality is they're on the wrong side of every one of those
Haha You've got to be kidding me? They've already done this study a million times in the last one I read was 88% of remarks or negative about Trump and it was like 10% for Harris on the mainstream media. It's never been more one side in fact one of the major reasons I now vote Republican is because I am so tired of the mainstream media lies and hatred of the Republican party. You keep criticizing one group of people and no one likes bullies. This is why most of us vote Republican nowadays is the media is in cahoots with them. How can you have mainstream media, Hollywood, big tech and all the universities yet you still can't get half the people to support you,? I can tell you it's because your policies are terrible and people despise the Democratic party for the corruption and lies that they tell with the media
Tim, you spent your time trying to converse with a man who only talks in circles!!! You are so much better than this it is just about impossible to have a real conversation with someone who only comes from the intellect. We need a heart, a spirit to call us to the deepest truth and that opens conversation and welcomes the only element that will bring us to shared truth. Love is the element that leads to acceptance and change.
Maureen
And thank you, Tim, for pushing back on some of his arguments.
Here’s an idea: let’s not reduce Trans Americans to just a political branding issue. Literally just humans who deserve dignity, respect, and protective legislation. Also, they want lawmakers to get to work on the economy, so they can also pay their bills. ‘Magine that. 🙄
Keep this up and the Dems will never have control of our government branches. Obviously, you have not learned a thing from this massive loss.
The Right-wing is obsessed with people's sexuality that is different from their own. Eye opener once again. My guess is they've been indoctrinated by religion
@@rosegarden3686peabrain, back up for a second. You're falling for THEIR trap if you think the Dems could have done anything vis a vis the Trans issue to win this election. The cake was baked on the economy. Period.
I couldn’t agree more. This was such a frustrating interview.
It lost us the election
I’ve seen Sam Harris debate and have somewhat agreed with him, not today! He came across as snobbish and arrogant
This garbage about public intellectualism, with its rigor and standards and principles, then sliding right into how he has very close friends who are so incurious and willfully oblivious that they just think Trump is funny and will shake things up and don't care about the insane ways in which he is destroying and will continue to destroy our republic is WILD. You want us to take you seriously when you hang out with MAGA-inclined weirdos? Nah, man. You are who you hang with.
I honestly do not get why so many people react to him that way. I don't find him snobbish or arrogant at all. He states his views clearly and strongly, yes, but that doesn't equate to arrogance for me.
The far left is a group I have never heard of, I am a progressive democrat and do think that some of the issues you talk about are over the top. But, the right is far more outrageous in behavior and beliefs that are not on the same par!
Thank you !
You are right,the right wants to make everyone bow to their will and ideas the left I think just wants to live and be treated equal to other human beings
I do not know, Being not able to define what a women is more outrageous to the rest of the world
@@stalinsampras You can't define what a woman is because you've never had one.
Nah, the far left gave the far right the ammunition they needed to scare people into voting for Trump.
Errrr....most Congresswomen could not care less if Sarah McBride uses the women's room. Or their locker room. Why is Sam Harris apologizing for Mace and Greene, who are trying to weaponize this issue?
@@FrannieZellman yes exactly!
Yes why indeed!
I don’t think he knew how absolutely horrible Mace and Greene have been the past few days. His first response was put in gender neutral bathrooms.
Tim. I'm right there with you. In this piece you have done a great job of exposing this person.
Operation "Let Sam speak." Hard to believe this guy has a Science degree.
If that was the purpose, it worked brilliantly. I assumed Tim was biting his tongue out of politeness but you may be on to something. Never really known Tim to demure this much.
I'm pretty intelligent but stymied at this gobbleygook gibberish. A terrible speaker and very difficult to listen to in plain English. So much trans-talk and such an authority on Kamala. I don't care how many degrees or books. Just WOW!!
The reason why Kamala kept saying "I'll follow the law" is because gender reassignment surgery in prison was a law that came about during the Trump administration. I'll give you that she should have made that part clear, but I don't think it would make a difference.
Totally! I posted that as well. :-) When we're mentioning Kamala on the Trans topic, we should bring that up, as well. People need to understand the hypocrisy with Trump on that issue.
Being right rather than winning is not the tactic that would have kept Trump out of office.
Yes, that`s correct, but it`s bad messaging. It would be better to say: "This isn`t an issue that actually exists, we care about trans people having human rights and we care about everybody being able to make a decent living. Therefore we want to implement ... policies." If you have more time you can elaborate that there is TWO PEOPLE in the prison system in the whole of the US who received trans care, at least that`s the number I heard. It`s literally not an issue.
Pointing out what the law is and that dems just follow that law is too complicated and it`s not taking a stance, people wanna see candidates take a stance.
Which is why I hate that people keep hanging on that
I think they decided there was nothing she could say to respond to that that wasn’t playing right into Trump’s hands. And it didn’t matter, because the idea that there was a sizable percentage of the electorate that would have been swayed by that issue is ridiculous. Being able to speak to these issues better would be great, but throwing parts of our coalition under the bus in a futile attempt to counteract MAGA culture war attacks makes Dems weak.
This interview is not bulwarks best work
It’s Sam blaming the BLACK WOMAN for all our troubles. Pathetic!
You are a closed minded fool. Keep it up and you will watch the Dems continue to lose again and again!
Right up there (or down) with Bret Stephens
from the comment section alone it seems pretty obvious that this was an important discussion to try and have even if the meaning didn’t make it through the barriers, the point is to try and understand where the other side is coming from even when you do not agree either them. Sam and Tim modeled how to have respectful disagreements very well imo
@emerraldx The way to "understand" is to ask questions. I don't see disrespect in the comments. For example, if someone says to me BLM is a grift, I'm going to ask why they say that. Sadly, we'll never get satisfaction in the comment section.
Musk isn't an engineer. Not even self taught
I tried to find some of his old code, but I could only find people saying he was a horrible programmer.
He's just a rich kid nepo baby that made some good investments. Anyone could do that if they were born into money....except trump
Lone Skum
Correct. He's a rich guy who bought other people's patents.
Has he 11 kids? And none of them will follow in his footsteps
If you have someone bring up the trans surgery in prison please tell them that that came in under trumps administration.
unfortunately Kamala didn’t take this advice either
29:47 This all WREAKS of Sam saying “i don’t like THIS, so THIS is why she lost.” No data cited.
That's my biggest issue with Sam Harris, though I'm a fan overall.
A study came out saying a majority of voters who voted against Kamala did so because they thought she cared more about niche social issues (trans) than them.
Let's face it, many on the left are doing the same thing. I don't hold him to a higher standard. It's natural for everyone to be emotional and confused at this time.
i don't think it helped her to not find a way to moderate the conversation, esp. with men. and being a woman, she was already behind the eight ball. it's not fair, it's not right but sadly it's the truth. until we democrats can look at ourselves and accept part of why we lost, we won't be able to win. winning is the goal. we have to stop calling everyone racists as well. we need to be able to talk about these difficult subjects.
I have never once thought Trump was funny or entertaining. He is a vicious monster.
I concur
From the time I knew who he was I thought there was something off about🤡As a matter of fact whenever he would come on T.V. I’d have to leave the room.
He is vile and revolting.
THANK YOU! 👍 That comment made me scream at the screen!
I am shocked when certain analysts (even Never Trumpers) say that Trump has charisma…in what universe does this thoroughly despicable, incoherent, and vicious man have charisma? I don’t see it. I’ll never see it.
> "Kamala didn't disavow her sin [identity politics]"
I dunno Sam, has Trump ever disavowed ANY of his sins? And we're talking about a LOT of them. Why does Kamala need to disavow and Trump doesn't? I really don't think Kamala disavowing this would have changed anything. Trump voters made up their minds before Kamala came into the picture.
Trump is lawless, Kamala had to be flawless.
Because once again she was held to a totally different standard than Trump. She had to be perfect, and even that wasn’t good enough. Meanwhile, he’s up there on stage simulating oral sex and the press barely covered it. How about asking Trump to apologize for his racist, homophobic comments?
Youre conflating personal behavior with policy positions. Trump for example both disavowed a federal abortion plan and Porject 2025 in this election. Obama claimed to be against gay marriage in 2008. Moderating on certain issues, even insincerely, really matters if you want to win elections.
Trump (and Republicans writ large) did not run against Kamala, he/they ran against the Democratic Party, the caricatured one as portrayed all over social and legacy media. The Dems are terrible, absolutely terrible at messaging, and they simply had their pants pulled down by the Republicans over and over again…
Also, Ignoring how Republicans were playing the identity card ok on their end .
Trans as a percentage of population less then 1% and somehow we are responsible for trumps deranged position is ludicrous
You arrent responsible, just vulnerable and they attack the vulnerable. Try not to internalize their hatred towards you :)
I just want these pretend pundits to switch up "trans" with "Asian" or "Black" and see if they feel good about themselves.
Tim out there not even repping for the queer folk but I'm trying not to be too disappointed.
every vulnerable group is going to have to go through this I guess
please gentlemen, give me my rights... I know that asking is a provocation
@@tammyshields2361 this supposed intellectual certainly has an axe to grind against trans people. He even admits the election loss was driven by post-pandemic rejection of incumbents and inflation. But then goes on a tirade against trans people.
@@tammyshields2361 Absolutely. The only thing more galling than the Trumpists’ spending more on anti-trans advertising than the government has ever spent on gender-affirming care - by a significant degree - is that that ad spending appears to have worked.
Respect and acceptance of others shouldn’t be a political liability.. And notice that even the “intellectuals” can’t make an argument without repeating extreme examples that don’t exist in reality! There’s so much dishonest, disingenuous messaging from the right that make it impossible for there to be unity politics.. My acceptance of others is not to blame for another’s ignorance and lack of a moral compass..
“To those accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression.”
Call Sam on his BS, Tim.
No, it nails it. I see this in my own social circle. They are insecure about the accomplishments of people they see as lower than them, doing better than them.
I don't disagree with the quote or agree with Sam, but question how much we can apply it to *the people Kamala needed to win over*. The usual intended meaning behind the quote highlights why I think she lost. The Democrat's progressive movement has traditionally not considered class as an identity. I think because until the last few decades, we didn't really need to. Mostly white, rural and suburban Americans were heavily privileged. We could focus on systemic issues involving race, sex, etc... Uplifting and providing opportunities to minorities and the disadvantaged. There's still a lot of work left, but wealth inequality has grown so much that recognizing class as an identity and showing you represent a progressive movement that isn't going to leave those people behind is essential in an election this close. Biden won their votes because of his pro-union, pro-worker background. A lot of them would have also voted for Bernie, because his message always prioritized class alongside things like race, gender, and sexual orientation. We've got to remove the stigma that white working class voters are inherently bigoted. Many are. But most aren't motivated by hate but instead they want to feel they are being represented.
I’ve worked support in a HS for 5 years. We have 1,000 students. We’ve had 2(TWO) transitioning students. WTF is ANYONES problem?! Civil Rights for all, ALWAYS!
I think we all believe that on the sane side of politics. I think Sam Harris is arguing that we need to ignore the more extreme rhetoric on the far left (eg no biological component to sex) while still affirming the rights of trans people and everyone else.
This guy actually buys into the "social contagion" myth. He is embarrassing himself. Should probably stick to chemistry or whatever it is he does.
The problem is girls' and women's hard fought civil rights are being shit on. How anyone thinks electing Trump would help, I have no clue....but the fox being in charge of the hen house is why people care.
@@ShainRaleyread Abigail Shrier's book. There is absolutely a social contagion element.
@@ShainRaley the whole point of these conversations is that we shouldn’t be alienating people that we don’t agree with on every single issue. If you tell everyone who thinks differently that they’re a bigot, then you can forget about ever being in government again.
I watched Harris speaking during the campaign, and she never looked like a hostage to the woke mob. She seemed like a thoughtful person who weighed her words and their effect, unlike her opponent and his unhinged rambling. I think Sam is kidding himself if he believes that any amount of explaining her change of heart would have satisfied the Joe Rogan voters. This election was about contempt toward women--the anti-Me Too election. These men were not going to vote for a woman, especially a black woman.
Some people really enjoy a good Kamala word salad.
This is pretty much how I feel too. The double standard, asymmetry in Sam's words, is appalling. I think his perspective on Kamala seeming to mince words and dance around the difficult issues causing a problem for her is worth thinking about. IMO sticking so closely to the talking points may have convinced some people that she was just part of the democratic (small d) machine; an insider who is part of the problem. I don't agree with those people, but speaking in government-ese isn't how a person from the incumbent administration is going to effectively convince a Rogan listener that she represents meaningful change for THAT Rogan listener. The fact that a credible, educated person can't speak like an adult to half the electorate is troubling to me.
Also: There is NO "woke mob"!
I think she made a principled choice to rise above the efforts to pull her down into the quagmire of identity politics. If she had, they would have harvested endless sound bites to attack her with. She trusted Americans to follow her on the high road because she believed in us. Sadly, collectively , we were unworthy of that trust.
Kamala was an extraordinary weak candidate. Please don't woke.
I hate how we all are marginalizing DEI. DEI initiatives was never about giving unqualified people opportunities. DEI was about recognizing talent that went unnoticed due to race, color, ethnicity, and even geography. Now its become a dirty word. I thought it would never be considered bad not to consider diversity of thought as a value-added commodity.
DEI is trash and was shoved down people's throats by the radicals in your party.
That's how the GOP play - they did the same with the words and terms:- 'Woke', 'Black Lives Matter' , Feminism etc.
Perhaps but the pendulum has now swung so far to the left and corrupted the original intent
Similar to the evolution of trade unions
Thank you, well said.
@@saltyshamrock not to forget them coining the word "Obamacare" for the ACA, f'n racists
Listen, I live in the Bay Area, the gayest, most liberal area of the country. I have a daughter in high school. The only people talking about trans issues are Fox News, and politicians. These issues don’t exist in the real world.
If a progressive party doesn't stand up for the equal rights of marginalized individuals, they are failing what should be their first priority.
And yes it seems to be the only people bringing this issue up these days are the Republicans
This.
Except there is a video of Kamala talking about this… 😅
@@ratm9190I'm too lazy to look but I'm pretty sure someone approached her and asked about it. So on that alone, she wasn't bringing it up. People corner politicians on controversial issues all the time. What are you gonna say in that situation? She wasn't running on it.
The right made this into an issue. No one else cares as much as they do. As far as I can tell most trans or non binary folks just want to be treated equally and not made a fuss about. Note that you almost never hear a actual trans or nonbinary person shouting about it. Fox News? All f'k'n day!
He also said there a pandemic of 16 year olds having double mastectomy that are the leftwings fault. I havent heard that before and sounds like something OAN would report
IKR- WTF
Sam’s focus on trans issue tells me a lot. Again I just don’t understand the fascination
He protests too much. Plus he's combining health care with Politics. Face it, even Normal Republicans are out of touch.
The democratic party's continued negligence of the impact this has had on its public perception has been, just was, is, and will continue to be a major obstacle to their goals.
MAGA don’t believe that trans ppl even exist… how and why tf should we be arguing over such specifics. Sam is crazy af and doesn’t even recognise where the right are… there are no rightwing pro trans politicians…
@@mikeyj.philly So they should disavow trans people because they’re a popular scapegoat?
@@robynnordstrom7799 Is that what anyone said?
Does he realize that the host of this show (Tim Miller) is a beneficiary of the cultural pressures by the “far left” of not that many years ago?
90% of what is wrong with Elon is the amount of money he owns.
You mean "Ketamine is God's way of telling you you're making too much money"? (with apologies to the late Robin Williams)
So you think that Tesla and SpaceX should be taken away from him?
@@topeka088Tesla and SpaceX are both propped up by government subsidies, tariffs on Chinese EVs, and lies he's spread about self driving (and totally not making tons and tons of space junk to dominate high-speed trading). Without continued public support both of those companies would be gone within the decade.
@@topeka088 Nope, I think every penny should be taken away from him and every other billionaire. If (as seems to be the case) we can't regulate money in politics, just take the money away from the ones abusing it to distort politics. 🙂
@@topeka088Tesla and SpaceX would be better off without Musk. Remember that the Cybertruck was Musk's idea.
I don’t take anyone seriously who uses woke as a derogatory term. Why is trans radical, but all the batshit crazy stuff Trump said not radical? Why isn’t he asking Trump to denounce the proud boys or all the crazy shit associated with him?
And that you don't take his comments seriously show you are close minded and is where you fail. He obviously said Trump was a disaster, but unless said exactly what you wanted to hear, you are unhappy. Keep that up and you will watch the Dems lose again and again!!!
What term would you use to describe the rise of this scolding identiarian politics? It’s just a useful term that describes a set of ideas.
But sure, denial that we have a vulnerability there is the real answer.
Trans itself is not radical, but the trans activists demanding absolute compliance with their views are the one who are radical. Trans people, the same as everyone else, deserve political and legal equality. But activists go way beyond that. All people should be allowed to live their lives how they want, unless it impinges on someone else. The activists are trying to impinge.
@Fecalith3 ☝️THIS!☝️
Your attitude, ironically is why Trump just retook power. For the love of God look in the mirror and see how muchthe far Left is harming the Democratic Party. The activists care more about grand standing than winning elections.
Good on Tim for asking this guy about Sarah McBride. After spending 30 minutes telling us that Kamala Harris lost because she wasn't anti-trans enough, when asked about an actual, real trans person, this guy did the classic sidestep of "I did't know about that."
Yeah, that was a huge tell.
Sam admitting that he's willing to trade rights away to make other people more comfortable is pretty sad to hear. Every minority group that becomes more visible is going to make people uncomfortable by virtue of their newness. It's not like any of this is new or doesn't have historical analogues
Another clueless fool who is part of the problem and not the solution.
What rights specifically did Sam admit he's willing to trade away?
Yes, I'm curious. I must have missed it.
Obviously, Sam has never been disenfranchised!
The “sister souljah” comment speaks volumes. Disappointing, but predictable.
Sam reads too much into what he calls Kamala’s silence about trans issue. He is the broken record.
I love this channel but am disappointed that Tim didnt push back more on Sam Harris. His blaming of the left for supporting diversity and individual rights in the face of the clear threat we are facing is so predictable and tired. His repetition of unfounded Republican talking points does no service to anyone but Republicans.
Same. I'm a Medical Professional. So Sam thinks Professionals in their field of Study are fringe?
Well said
Sam Harris is 100% correct. Trans activism has captured academia and other mainstream liberal institutions. We need to acknowledge that as Democrats.
Yeah, Harris is a textbook reactionary who has always had a chapped ass when it comes to marginalized groups. Anyone who solely focuses on the group with the least amount of power and influence is a coward and a bully, in my opinion.
Keep thinking that way and our country will fall into fascism. You sound so clueless to someone who fought for civil rights, women's rights, environmental rights and gay rights before you were freaking born. Wake the F up !!!
I am beginning to actually love Tim Miller. He has a way. I have seen him do this thing of bringing his interlocutor's predilections out with many of these folk who think they can just hoodwink us. I was sorry to see Charlie go. I have to say, Tim - Mr. Miller brings it. The Bulwark abides, Man.
Tim, I’m sorry you had to go through this. He’s oozing with contempt for us, with no enlightenment whatsoever. I’m no longer sure Sam is as smart as he thinks he is. I found him creepy.
I've never heard of Sam Harris before. Seemed like a clown in this video.
He stopped using his brain 🧠. That's the definition of Conservatism.
Creepy indeed
For a supposedly smart guy, he doesn’t know why Harris lost. Or at least he has an axe to grind with trans people.
Typical woke comment ~ he does not have an ax to grind with trans people, he is simply saying why Dems lost ~ because they gave MAGA the bullets to shoot at them
This was so disappointing. I am a Bukwark fan and paid subscriber, and “woke maniac,” apparently. The amount of contempt towards trans people and civil rights advocates in this conversation was really disgusting. These people really are conservatives.
@@natashastovallph.d.3716 I absolutely agree! I usually love Tim Miller but this is disappointing for sure. Wish he’d challenged him more if he disagrees.
@@catherineherrera8196 Dunno... it was kind of obvious to me that Tim wasn't really buying into what Sam Harris was saying.
Trump campaigned and had his media bullhorn blast this trans crap.
Exactly. 0.6% of Americans identify as trans. That’s a teeny tiny amount. Rationally we should only give it 0.6% of our national attention. But the Right has a way of demonizing trivial things. A true straw-man argument. “Don’t trust Democrats on trade policy because they want to turn your girl into a boy without your consent.” The fault lies in our human frailty. Without education, it’s easy for us to believe in lies. I suspect that’s a major reason the Right wants to hobble education in this country; to make it easier to control us.
I am happy Tim did at least push back about the trans issues and pointed out that the whole discussion in congress about which toilet to use is performative and none of these women is actually afraid of their colleague.
He makes too many excuses for Musk. As if the trans stuff is more insane than what Musk is saying.
Tim--Are you OK with this anti-trans line?
As a neuroscientist, You ain’t living like any of the 98 percent of us. Rejoin the peasant reality!
He isn't acting like he knows science at all. What's wrong with this fellow named Sam?
Gotta say I respect Sam’s spiritual wisdom. But his political acumen seems way off. I’m a Democratic Socialist and I can tell you with certainty that there is no “left” in this country! The so-called “left” position today would have been considered moderate right 30 years ago. Also, ease up on the trans people they are on a journey, not my journey, but whatever happened to “live and let live” in this country?
Without even realizing it, you just perfectly described why the far left are targeted so frequently...
"Democratic Socialist".
The only word heard is "Socialist".
Here's a thought for all of those proud Democratic Socialists.
Try saying "Social Democrat".
It's the same thing but won't make people shut down or walk away the moment you speak.
Who is stopping freedom and pursuit of happiness of trans people?? You can have the same rights the rest of the people have but you cannot deny reality and say men can be a woman and insist others to part take in your belief when others do not belief it because it's completely denying reality
He does not pretend to be a political analyst ~ his is speaking about human nature, which seems to be something you do not understand
Yeah seriously WTF is he talking about with the “far left taking over elite institutions” BS? What left? And what takeover? What planet is he on?
This 💯. The left was exterminated in the 70s.
It’s been a hard truth of the GOP for about 20 years, they have been willing to go along with just about anyone who furthered their influence or power. They almost never hold themselves accountable to their supposed values.
*never! There fixed it for you.
Just another “Kamala lost because of my pet issue.”
The whole angst about “woke” comes from people who don’t want to be told they should try not to be a dick.
Twenty-five, thirty years ago it was the gays and lesbians who were the far left and scaring the normies with their calls for marriage rights, etc. I don't think blaming trans people for being too weird is helpful. Defund the police was a little nuts.
Lost me at ‘far left has cultural influence’. I was excited to hear his examples and wasn’t let down. His first one was people ‘vandalizing’ art. Ludicrous to think people this have influence. The only thing the people he lists off do is provide fodder, but that’s not reason to just buy the right’s weak ass criticisms.
He's An absolute joke
Agreed. It's hardly a stance taken by democratic politicians, and as far as I know vandalism is vandalism, not a political position in itself.
Exactly. A handful of those incidents does not compare to the march of fascism in democratic countries. And pretending it's equal is a strategic lie that Sam Harris is helping spread.
100%
Before WWI in the UK the suffragettes really vandalized works of art to draw public attention to their struggle for their right to vote. They had to do it because nobody cared. Women obviously didn't have a lobby in the places of power. They were locked up and mistreated for their actions. Male politicians only cared when women had to fill the vacancies left by the soldiers fighting WWI.
After listening to this podcast the overwhelming take away is Sam Harris is obsessed about trans stuff to the point that he sounds unbalanced
Amen
Me thinks he doth protest too much, you know?
I had to start skipping ahead because he seemed to make his point and then… kept talking and talking and talking. It became clear that Sam thinks the trans issue was what swung the election because he is personally put off by it.
Does Mr. Harris even know any trans people personally? How unfortunate that people use others as political footballs. Tim please consider having more balance on this show. Thanks or discussing matters calmly at least.
Why are so many people obsessed with all things trans? Just let these people live their lives.
Why do people on the right care about trans issues so much. I have never met a trans person and I live in South Florida it's crazy
I have met one just in the last year. She is a lovely person.
For the same reason they vilify immigrants, even legal status immigrants: someone else to blame so they don't realise that it's actually the wealthy 1%'s fault
because its breaking reality, you are basically telling X is Y but when actually X is just X and can never be Y. Its defying reality in front of you eyes
@@stalinsampras lol.... that was some mad black and white thinking right there! 🤣
Do you have children? This stuff has infected the school system to an insane degree and parents are sick of it.
Harris doesn't know if Mike Johnson "conveyed any bigotry" when prohibiting Sarah McBride from using the restroom? 🤡
I thought Sam was being disingenuous here. There is no mistaking the hateful and confrontational nature of Nancy Mace’s many, many emails. Johnson was just being a prick, as usual.
I'm glad to see that I'm not the only one who is uncomfortable about this discussion of the "trans issue" as opposed to trans people. It's a bit shocking, to be honest. MAGA made it an issue, not Dems. Dems simply added the group to the ever-growing circle of inclusiveness. Here's the bottom line, though, and they discussed it here. The political arena has a double standard, notably in the news media. Dems are held to a standard they aspire to, while MAGA has no standards. The basic agreements of kindness, honesty, and loyalty (I could go on) have been tossed out. They are in a win-win situation with their faithful followers and with those who don't watch them closely. They project onto Dems the very things they are doing and deny it (or ignore it) when confronted about it (i.e., doggedly attempting to manipulate which ballots are counted). How in the ever lovin' hell can the Dems compete with that? It's upside-down world. The only hope I have is based on how close this election was. It seems that at least 50% are paying attention.
Sam Harris is no dummy, but his arrogance is staggeringly off-putting.
So you're intimidated from someone smarter than you?
That's a given. He's part of the "intelligentsia" and holds too high opinion of Elon and himself. 🎂
Nah he's put off by a guy who thinks he's smarter than he is
It is, I listened to Sam for probably 3 or 4 years before it started really getting to me at the height of his IDW days. He is definitely smart, but he let's his personal conclusions take on the air of a reality so obvious the rest of society is simply stupid for ever having considered it. That is upsetting. His opinions about trans people has been slightly affected by this, but it's more prevalent in his opinions about Muslims, which i largely share but the way in which he communicates them is incredibly belittling. I can only listen to him sparingly, and do.
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@rosegarden3686 not at all...I fully admit Sam is far more intelligent and knowledgeable thank I am, but nat a fan of arrogance. One can be smart without being brusk. Perhaps you missed the point of my original response.
SamHarris is stuck on trans issue. This issue alone cannot explain choosing a nut case like Trump
He isn’t stuck on trans issues but only discussing?
Yes, absolutely. Sam himself is stuck in the college discourse bubble.
How come regular people who vote Democratic are not seen as the left? I don't riot on campuses, I don't think that the people who riot on college campuses represent me. I believe in labour unions and making sure local farmers have what they need to do their job getting agra to allow farmers to have living wages. The only place for that is historically the Democratic party and I haven't seen any actual movement on the Republican Party to cover that? Where do people who believe that people should get a fair wage go? I'm a Democrat the people who are on those college campuses don't represent me and never have. I find his initial argument completely disingenuous to look at children and say that that is the party is ridiculous.
Trump has literally never disavowed a damn thing he's ever said but Harris has to be perfect. Why does everyone keep bringing up the trans issue that was a trump policy????
It's nice to know that another public figure I used to respect thinks that I, a trans woman, am part of this "crazy left". I'm so "delusional", I guess.
Ugh. As a psychologist I’m not at all stoked about Sam Harris. Pretty disturbed by how openly anti trans he is. Regardless, it feels like a dangerous oversimplification that unfairly targets an already marginalized group.
Not to mention, turnout was already low. I imagine a certain number on the left may not have shown up for the VP if she came out as anti trans, much as those passionate about Palestine may have just stayed home.
I agree. Difficult to imagine how he would have been in the 60s.
Same- also a psychologist
@maryrollins1737 I beg to differ, not difficult to imagine at all. He would hold firmly to the status quo.
Seems like you want to continue to have trump and the republicans run government. Sam is just pointing out that identity politics won’t win elections.
Uhhh...I don't think I like this guest too much. I'm really glad Tim brought up Sarah McBride and Nancy Mace's abominable hate speech.
It is odd that Sam loathes the left, loathes Trump , but he doesn’t think the far right are lunatics.
Are your ear working?
Exactly. He hates the mythical far left. We don’t have a far left in this country. We don’t have trans activists either that was all on the right. They made those posters about trans people in girls sports and told people that their kids would come home a different sex. This guy is a left hater
He seems to be saying that the entire right is un-redeemable. He’s also saying that the Left would benefit from a realignment with reality, because identity politics are a distraction.
How did you get that impression?
He is not right about Kamala Harris.
Sam is one of those people who thinks he's being helpful, but he's not.
Sam is a pseudo intellectual. Poor Sam doesn't know what he does not know.
Rest in peace my respect for Sam Harris.
Same. That was very disappointing.
Hearing Sam use the term "woke" unironically saddens me.
I'm 74, from Cali, many were Woke back in that day. Not sticking up for how the Vets were treated. I always respected the Vets and I was Woke. I Believed in true history, inclusion, helping other people and caring about our planet. I don't care who loves who. I'm a Christian and I believe Jesus is the judge, not us. Now what the hell is wrong with any of that?
god bless you. agree 100%. 🙏♥️
Nothing is wrong with that, but how do you think a women who was raped would feel about a biological male in her bathroom?
I don't think you know what woke means.
Trump is amusing?? Why anyone could listen to him, watch Trump speak and yet find him attractive is stunning.
Sam sounded dumber in this interview than he ever has
51% of the nation loves him enough to vote for him.
Maybe you need to find a country that is more compatible with your personality. Have you looked into North Korea?
I have a ton of respect for Tim and the Bulwark. Typically I feel smarter after listening to their content …until now. Yikes.
I don't have a problem hearing opinions from people that are different than mine, but why is there no pushback on his more ridiculous stances? If you're going to have San Harris on as a guest or someone like him, I think he should be challenged a bit more. This isn't an issue of being in an echo chamber. It's intellectually incurious to have a guest say platitude after platitude and not follow up even a little bit.
Also can we retire the use of the word “woke” to describe any pushback we don’t like. I need woke defined too.
If they define woke we will see that it’s simply inclusion of the marginalized people and realizing the systemic and social indoctrination of white supremacy. And this pushback usually makes them aware of this.
The trans thing is a total red herring. It’s so exaggerated.
1000% the Republicans deny that they exist while Sam is speaking as if they do… ofcourse they don’t
More specifically, it’s a “straw man” argument. Example, “Don’t trust Democrats on trade policy because they want to turn your girl into a boy without your permission.” Then typically the argument becomes about how no, Democrats are not trying to turn your girl into a boy, rather than discussing the differences in trade policy between Democrats and Republicans.
This is such a dangerous attitude. It's a bigger issue than you could possibly imagine. I'm a democratic voter all my life and even I have though about raising a kid and having teachers secretly discussing their sexual identity without me present. It's a horror story.
@@mikeyj.phillyWhat are you talking about?
@@mikeyj.phillyi just don’t believe there are many teachers out there doing that. Btw - i am a teacher. They are using the same fear mongering rhetoric they used to demonize gay and lesbians 20 years ago. It’s an invented problem intended to marginalize people.
Elon’s not a talented engineer; he’s a talented INVESTOR.
His investment in buying Twitter isn't looking too hot. It's easier to get to home base when you're born on third and can bribe the umps.
Once upon a time, gay marriage activism did brand damage to Democrats too. But it was still a compassionate and noble cause, to champion the expansion of rights for a misunderstood and maligned minority of the population.
Sure, some elements of trans activism probably go too far, or miss the mark, as is the case with all activism. But if the case against it is “voters don’t like it”, my response is “activism can change voters’ views”. Abandoning trans individuals to the hatred and scapegoating of Republicans may be utilitarian - but it is cowardly and ignoble.
Winning elections is important, yes. But so are principles - as evidenced by the rampant moral decay of the Republicans, who have abandoned all their principles in pursuit of victory. And the principle of compassion and standing up for minority communities under siege is a core principle of modern Democrats.
I had no idea that Joe Rogan had somehow taken over the show. Tim did nothing to call out the ridiculous crap Sam Harris was spewing about trans people.
yea, Is Tim burned out or what ?
Yes, Tim was warmly respectful 😂… but I got say … Sam Harris is truly despised on Lefty leaning Channels… specially for his political views on Trans issues. I could go into Gaza … but not all Lefty Channels will spend much of their time on Gaza … but they would also occasionally laugh about Sam Harris.
I think, personally he is gone fully Republican, at least these days I would think he was a Democrat any longer … he does ally himself much closer to a conservative.
I am 100% certain that Sam's participation in the red pill online movement helped build Trump's online army empire.
Sam has done more than anyone else to promote Jordan Peterson and Ben Shapiro and the Weinsteins as rational actors.
Yay Sam did about 20% of what he should have done with Joe Rogan before the election with Tim Miller. Just in time.
Really going after that Trump audience and trying to argue the case.
@@AndyRosebrookActually Sam and Bret Weinstein are no longer on speaking terms. And I don't think he's that crazy about Peterson and Shapiro these days either.
Finally! A middle aged cis white dude to tell us what a woman is and how Black people should behave.
Literally. So distasteful. He's not being very human centered. He just wants to win a game
We've been waiting for so long. 30 seconds, at least.
Settle down women and black people. Listen to the master.
Right?? Ugh. So boring.
Lol love liberals still the same here we go about Cis snd White
Keep losing election losers 😂
They all have bathrooms in their offices. Extremely performative.
We never talk about the poor. Why not? Americans are exhausted, they deserve a place in this conversation.
I heard a priest give a sermon, "U need an adult faith. I meet so many people who are savvy about business matters, civic matters, family dynamics, church, family interaction, everything, but, when it comes to religion, they sound like a 6-year-old." People like that (about politics) are vulnerable to manipulation.
@@Jryanist exactly! Native Americans at 3% of population also never make the headlines for help and equality
Maybe because the poor encompasses everyone: all colors, creeds, nationalities, etc.. If we saw what we have in common vs what makes us different there's a risk that we might band together. "They" know the value of divide and conquer.
C'mon this is America; we can't help the poor because bootstraps freedoms something-something socialism 🙄
Sam Harris is a bit up his own spout about his grievance about the cultural power of some barely existing
uber left wing in the country considering Harris's platform was not that distinguishable from the right of center of 15 years ago
What radicalized new-rich dudes? Taxes, man. They don't want to pay them.
Not effin impressed with Sam Harris At all
He has his parties confused about being crazy.
Agreed! I watched as much as I could, but didn't quite make it to the end.
When he started talking (with great "authority" it seemed) about trans issues and identity politics, he completely lost me.
Show me where, at any point, Kamala ran on those agenda items... matter of fact, I'd challenge anyone to point to a speech or interview where she initiated a conversation with those talking points.
My problem with all of this is this:
What's in it for Mr. Harris to repeat these false narratives???
Breaking News - you are both crazy! From an American living abroad.
@@bonnieboyz good, stay there...
@@jeffbeadle973Tell me if this would sound crazy : "Trump didn't run on banning abortion. How can anyone attach that idea to him." Trans ideology is attached to the democratic party whether you like it or not. Even if she specifically disavowed the trans agenda, it wouldn't fool anyone. Look at her pivot to being a border hawk. No one believd her.
Interesting. You’re saying that many people of hispanic origin didn’t like the label used to describe them by other people? And we should listen to them and use the words they feel comfortable with? 🤔 Where else might we possibly apply this, Sam?
Sam Harris is right that the far left often means something most people disagree with when they say “trans women are women”-such as erasing all distinctions between trans and cis women. However, the center and moderate left use the same slogan to advocate for inclusion and rights in ways that fit comfortably within the public’s Overton window. The issue is that the right exploits this ambiguity, painting the entire left as extreme, while the left struggles to articulate these differences clearly.
What’s far more concerning, though, is the real harm being done to young people who face the sudden termination of their gender-affirming care and social support. This can lead to devastating outcomes, including mental health crises. Moreover, the “first they came for…” parable is a stark reminder of the broader implications: the right disproportionately targets trans people because it serves as a strategic wedge for advancing censorship in schools, libraries, and healthcare; dismantling workplace nondiscrimination protections and benefits; and normalizing cruelty and dehumanization.
The apparent equanimity among many in the anti-Trump coalition since our election loss-embracing the idea that we can cede policy ground by abandoning trans people-is deeply disturbing. It suggests a willingness to sacrifice the most vulnerable in pursuit of broader political gains, which undermines the very liberal-democratic and civil-society principles our coalition claims to defend.
This!!!!
I don't think that "there are zero differences between cis and trans women" is a talking point I've ever heard from any leftist.
I've heard it as a chant and as a stonewalling rebuttal, but never as a substitute for "there are zero differences between the bodies/experiences/etc. of cis and trans women".
From what I've seen, trans acceptance across the entire left spectrum is about recognition, legal rights, access to resources, and dignitity.
Well articulated, thank you. Sam Harris is very privileged to be able to view time used to talk politics as merely an opportunity cost, and to look down (with blame!) at progressive activists as a frivolous class.
@@gpwaltz Well, that’s the difficulty of trying to understand the motivations behind a talking point whose premise you disagree with-finding a way to even talk about it that both accurately describes it and is comprehensible to its opponents. What’s your understanding of how “trans women are women” - which, to me as well, sounds perfectly reasonable - became a radioactive slogan? It isn’t like this is a critique I’ve never heard from anyone but Sam Harris.
@@TreyHarris It's a difficult slogan. I like Natalie Wynn/Contrapoints' take, which is (IIRC) that it's a slogan that virtue signals to people who are already on your side, but at the same time invites the knotty (and kinda irrelevant!) philosophical question "What is a woman?" And that a more tangible, compelling slogan might be "Trans liberation now!" What are the demands of trans liberation? How would they get it?
When you set your opponent up to now define and defend *womanhood*, you are fighting the wrong battle, IMO.
I support trans rights, but that's not contingent on me having a water-tight definition of womanhood or believing that every single trans woman is this transcendentally "feminine" person. Gay people don't have to prove to me that they only have romantic and sexual attraction toward the same sex. It's about understanding what these people are asking for out of society/community/government.
Can we all stop blaming trans people for the issues of the Democratic party. We cannot and should not stop fighting for trans rights to appease the bigots. There is plenty to fix but suggesting we walk away from and throw whole group of people under the bus in order to win elections is disgusting.
i blame the voters. Stupid is as stupid does.