"Sovereignty Rests With The Voters Of New Zealand Not With Iwi" - Shane Jones
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 22 ม.ค. 2024
- New Zealand First Deputy Leader Shane Jones calls out elite Iwi activists who are attempting to minimise the democratic mandate given to the government, saying "Sovereignty Rests With The Voters Of New Zealand Not With Iwi"
Why are we paying tax to have our vote undermined by tv 1.
Because they are woke.Nothing new.Jenny May is woke as they come.Nothing new here.
Why are our taxes used to support TV1.
They should defund both TVOne and TV3 plus the Herald and Stuff.. Pathetic Woke rubbish and very poor journalists @@JohanThiart
Defund the media. Someone make that a t shirt lmao
Yes I have noticed that. The popular vote is constantly being challenged by subversive media.
The Woke TV 1 pushing the Narative 😊
Ah the netballer trying and failing to deliberately stir up the natives and plastic maori where there is nothing to see yet.
Let maori get their thoughts together logically and rationally and put a proposition for discussion. Stop all this threatening and bullying and incendiary rhetoric. We need an adult conversation not cultural theatre singing dancing and shouting in te reo.
Another tattooed leftist Maori elite.
Can't stand the breakfast team, at least the weather boys gone!
Agree , they are an embarrassment , refuse to watch their woke rubbish, they might still be wondering why they are loosing money, why do they need 4 people to push their daily garbage I can't fathom.There is a more and more used saying lately,go woke go broke!
@antonyarnanova
Woke means being aware of the oppression of black people. Your comment shows you do not know that.
Finally someone speaking commonsense
I like how Winston Peters pointed out in Parliament, that the Maori Party were not the voice of Maori as only 1 in 6 Maori voters voted for them. So, I like the other 5 in 6 voted against the 1 in 6 separatists who's only task is feather their own nest. Not all Maori or New Zealanders
Shouldn't have to go to the vote had already been voted when treaty had been signed should be smooth transition these clowns against crowns obligation to fulfill treaty where now government stand as the rejectors of a lawful binding document❤🎉
@@turi03175 Then perhaps a certain minority group should stop trying to reinterpret said treaty to suit only themselves.
New Zealand First all the way.
Shane Jones you are the best person to deal with this. Your knowledge is impeccable.
Hear hear
Shane and Winnie all the way they had my vote. Very level headed and fair ministers 😊
Yes the dynamic duo! Sensible Maoris
Hes a crook
Shane Schwab endorsed voters, you'll probably vote for his twin brother Klaus Jones yea.
Well hope you'll be happy when you'll own nothing!
The reset twins!
Shane speaks of democracy and commonsense, that's the kiwi way.
Well said
Shane Jones talks with fork tongue, lol..
The minority.
About 1% of the population can't handle, Working for a living.
Same in happening in Australia.
It's everyone else's fault.....lol
Without the European here.
Maori of the time.
Would have Eliminated each other.
Which was our mistake.
Now we have to put up with the blaming, Separatism, racism pushed everyday.
Can the Maori blooded people, live in the bush....?
NO.
Be bloody grateful
That's y he got booed from the og maoris lol
No more OG Maori nowadays unfortunately@@AskingforAIfriend
We are over it my grandfather fought for our freedom as a gunner and mechanical engineer in the RNZAF. 7 years on and off he was seperate from my grandmothe. I was born here my mother was my grandparents were. It is our nation.Enough bludging we are over it. Winston and Shane can call it as they are Māori. We will not be divided and fall for the “divide and.conquer.
Well said Shane.Dont let Rawiri and Debbie Packer see this.
Validating yourself with the achievements of your grandfather is pathetic and gives you no right for anything.
What have you done other than fill your pockets?
@badchefi explain full your pockets....?
Most people are born in NZ.
Get educated, then have a job to live.
Don't cry, and blame everyone else for the crimes, the poverty that the minority do everyday.
I was brought up in Rotorua.
All my Maori blooded school mates, are successful with there life.
What's your problem?
@@gregwaghorn8496 you didn’t serve for your country - your grand dad did
Before your grandfather fought for English wars our people fought for this country get your crappy 2 cent argument outa here
Tv nz suck
All TV sucks. Why do you watch it?
Absolutely 💯 and liars!
Stay strong NZ First, NZ stands with you!!!! Hui is a joke!!!! Sort TVNZ out please guys, its soooo woke now days!! 🇳🇿
Anyways.....
Woke means being aware of the oppression of black people. Your comment shows you do not know that.
@@neilmarshall5087 what oppression Maori have the same rights as everyone
@@user-qp1pf5wj2p Exactly. So stop rabble rousing, peter with a new empty channel.
@@neilmarshall5087 woke is Not the oppression of black people its an expression of any people black white brown gay transgender and anybody who havent got a life and use it as a rasist or sexist view to prove a point of opinion.
Maori were mentioned it said ...Article 2 "Honour ALL New Zealanders and their property"
Yes it did, you're right 👍
However that was the english translation which we now know to be well basically full of shit! Lies! Now Dyor and have a great day 😂
Yes, she/it conveniently didn't include them. Sounds a bit racist aye?
She should have gone too This is why I don’t bother with msm the bias is unreal I don’t know how he can stand her , she’s not worth his time
Thanks goodness for Shane Jones, his knowledge and common sense.
Hear hear!
Why doesn’t this “ journalist” actually listen to the answers given by the person she is interviewing!
journalist ?
Because this "journalists" head is full of its own self importance.
@@blueandwhite63 duly noted…retired sports person left of woke!
Too busy positioning her stupid tatts for all to see than paying attention.
@@derekcravenPT Woke means being aware of the oppression of black people. Your comment shows you do not know that.
Well said, Shane Jones 😊
Why should anyone be expected to attend a meeting simply because moaning activists call one?
Shane clarifies things well, it so weird how the opposition just change the actual facts into a twisted mess off assumptions and allegations that are totally unfounded mistruths
So true ..
Exactly.. it was all assumptions and false ellegations!!
Read the Maori version of the Tiriti, understand that document, then you may have an idea of why he's lost credibility in Maoridom throughout the Motu!
Whether as a consequence of treaty or war, or both, Shane Jones is correct. Sovereignty rests equally among those on the electoral rolls.
According to our founding constitution, Maori are sovereign, therefore we wouldn't be on your electorate because we aren't governed by it.
You either honour the founding documents that our ancestors put in place with strength and integrity or declare war once again.
@@mattwill2643 Article 1 (Waitangi Tribunal translation ) - "give absolutely to the Queen of England for ever the complete government over their land" (Kawanatanga). Article 2 relating to rangatiratanga applied to all land that Maori decided to retain rather than sell to the Crown. I own Maori land so I guess I have 'chieftainship/rangatiratanga' over that. I don't see any shared governance or co-governance in either the Maori or English version of the treaty.
@@food4thort the english version is completely different to the maori version, and wherever there is a descrepency in the translations of treatys, it's always the indigenous version that is recognised internationally.
This is common knowledge mate, catch up.
The purpose of the treaty was to bring order to the settlors who were savages, so that we could continue to live in peace. We had internationally recognised sovereignty which we obtained less than a decade before the treaty, (HE-WHAKAPUTANGA) that was un-repealable so long as we looked after british settlirs..
Dont try and tell me we'd achieve all that and then sign it all away a few years later. We weren't fkng stupid.
Democracy over extremists
"Engrossed in the law that they cant change nothing..". Goodness, the Maori King just isnt very bright is he?
The actual word he used was "engrossed" - a ludicrous proposition which proves he is virtually illiterate
@@lancedonald6070 it is a concern that this poor grasp of english will continue to plague any discussion. I now understand all the shouting, bullying, threatening from the natives with the singing dancing in te reo. They are scared of an open respectfull discussion and dialogue in well structured sophisticated english which has much experience in international contracts.
Well he is actually a former truckie.
@@fredjones9750 Respect.
Mutual respect is stage1
NZ First - address the biased media asap
Hear their concerns? How about them hearing our concerns. Its not a one way street, like they want it to be. Shane is absolutely right. We, the people want to be one people, where we all respect each others culture and rights.
Hear hear!
hear /hear
Typical media twisting stories and creating discontent. Go Shane I’d rather listen to the truth you speak.👍
The ToW clearly states Maori ceded sovereignty and are now equal with everyone else. That's it.
No it doesn't! 550 chiefs signed Te Tiriti o Waitangi not the treaty of Waitangi...have you been living under a rock. Our forefathers never ceded sovereignty...If they did why has it been through the courts for decades.Why is there a Waitangi Tribunal...why do iwi get millions of dollars worth of payments...some still not settled...Because our ancestors never ceded sovereignty that's why!
@@CatherineAugust Why did the chiefs at Kohimarama conference confirm that they did cede? Why did Sir Apirana Ngata confirm in his book that the chiefs ceded?
The reason its been all through the courts in the last 40yrs is because of those principles that Geoffrey Palmer invented.
The reason there have been payouts is because there were legitimate land claims, nobody with a rational brain is arguing that. Claims about airwaves, seabed and rain are bullshit invented by corrupt greedy men.
read it, clearly says ceded sovereignty @@CatherineAugust
@@JamesClark-cg1qk that's not the correct version is the point...anyway my home that's being built in Auckland due to our iwi never ceding sovereignty and owning the 3rd biggest power station in Aotearoa is almost ready...When the Auckland anniversary floods happened last year my iwi freely put $300 in my bank just because thats what they do a long with the scholarships cheap dental and health care..the money will never run out and that is the benefit of being Māori and not ceding sovereignty go have a cry with your delusions and incorrect version of Te Tiriti o Waitangi 🤣 BTW I'm 36 started working at 17 and have been on the benefit for a total of 4 months due to being made redundant when I was 19...so don't even go there lol
2 versions. And why would anyone ask anyone else to cede sovereignty!
The interviewer is so amateur, sobiased , and arrogant
And not even trying to hide the chip on her / his shoulder
Enjoy listening to Shane... Frank and honest.
when u blow $2.4 billion in settlement money and then come back for more and as for old kingi.... his own family is a shambles and he's telling the country what to do... gtfo
They were the terrorists that started the NZ war
Gambling at Hamilton casino, wasn't it?
The woman is speaking a sentence in English. Why is it necessary for her to introduce motu into it. There's a perfectly good English word that should have been used.
The plan is to systematically take English words out.
We no longer watch TV1.
Shane is the man
10,000?.. i think thats exaggerated as I watched the hui in it's entirety and if 10,000 were present they must of been hiding in the neighbouring buildings..
No they were shoplifting.
More like half that number turned up,TV1 and their Woke agendas. No taxpayers money should be given to these bastards, let them stand on their own two feet.
Yeah they are happy to lie about their numbers unlike when we were fighting for our lives during Covid from government tyranny they could only say a couple of hundred . They are liars .
Wow..🤬🤬@@pauljones3062
@pauljones3062 you are a very special kind of idot
the interviewer lady made me laugh out loud.
I think she got out of the wrong side of her bed...
No I used to like Jeremy may but she's turning radical to.
God bless you Shane Jones and may God bless our country.
I lived through civil war caused by politicians pushing separation on ethnicity grounds. Why? Only for personal benefit. Don't wont to see that again! Shane keep doing as we feel to be uniting our people, not the opposite.
He told you why he couldn't attend , cloth ears!
Excellent
Yes. Shane "be" consistent and honest!!@@drago-us2xd
And this is why I moved to Australia it seems it’s gotten a lot worse since I left 12 years ago
Yes thanks to Jacinta ardern
Why bother commenting then stay in Oz
Don’t bother Us
@@TheHlydenLord83 happy to
Fun fact: Aotearoa got better the day you left, please don’t change that.
I bet his life got better as well moving from the dump we all live in at the moment
Is TVNZ owned by the Government ? Or do the Maori own it ? Just wondered ,
Well said Shane.. That interviewer makes me angry.. Woke tripe!
That ex netball player is an absolute shocker , and they wonder why they they are loosing money and going down the gurgler.Cant see this Govt handing them millions to keep them afloat as Labour did.
10,000 went to the hui. 30,000 went to a rock concert.
50k went to the Parliament occupation and were called a river of filth, completely ignored then ransacked by police. Maori have such extraordinary privilege!
Just because you put emphasis on the words when you say 'T E N T H O U S A N D M O A R I ' does not make the number seem bigger when its less than 1.2% of the total Māori population in New Zealand, especially when the huia (moan session) is held in a town with over 7k Māori right there living. Te Pati Māori would have you think it's a massive revolt against the government and a clear sign they are not listening to the 'people' .19% of the total population of 5.2 million. Give me a break, there are many concerts in Auckland sold out within days most tickets costing hundreds of dollars each that gets 10x the amount of attention.
Yes we all think that 10,000 Maori that turned up was an exaggeration.
30,000 at foo fighters concert same day
@@itsjustweard2328 you should of went there, wasn't all Māori,
@@alastairdow4400 it was more like 33,000 I was there after I attended the kiigitanga hui
Absolutely. Nz needs a Captain Cook day. Let’s add that to the annual holidays.
I agree. J Cook arrived 250 years ago on a Naval mission. He was amazing based on the unknown behaviours he met. He also was a great hydrographic surveyor by the way = safety of navigation. So if the UK did not claim NZ then the French would have done it 2 weeks later. Would the French have been as understanding?
Mr. Cook was a legend!
Yes we could just create one
@@seddy69 well, they do have a similar work ethic :D
@StGammon77 another over stayer
Wow - that interviewer has a very defined set of left wing views and tries her best to corner Shane. Maybe the hui was significant for the few thousand that turned up (so was the Foo Fighters concerts the same day for those 30,000 people). Also can the interviewer speak english properly? She cant speak correct english eg she says 'wanna' instead of 'want to' way too many times.
If he has other things to do then so be it so give it a rest lady
One thing is for certain, no-one knows what the treaty means. I am glad the coalition government is going to tackle this prickly subject and put 'interpretations' to rest.
Iwi treaty mania, well said Shane.
Bippity boppity boo to you Jenny
Go Shane, you're the man
Where is the pressure mounting? lol. This govt is a pressure release. Why would anyone be worried about 100% equal democratic participation? Why is a referendum a bad thing? Most importantly, if we are not to have this kind of democratic discussion, then what is the proposed alternative & who defines this?
Karl Popper- "No freedom for the enemies of freedom". (book - The Open Society and its Enemies). His response to the rise of facism in Germany, and how to recognse it and stop it occurring again.
All my life, The Treaty of Waitangi has meant nothing to me and never will.WHY, because in the last 40 years it been open to so much interpretation by so many so called experts and Maori activists high jacking the day.Just a waste of time.As far as I am concerned Waitangi Day is just another unwanted public holiday.
Sick of the lame stream media and there bollocks.
But you like this bullshit?
10 thousand at the hui. 36 thousand at a rock concert . Do the sums .😅😂😊
“All” does seem to suggest that Maori is included.😊
That lady is talentless
Every one whos eligible to vote, should get a vote and A country should be owned and run by its "actual" tax paying citizens 🤔
Since when do we have to ask Maori to go for a fish?
Who's running the country ?
Get tuff on crime and those that are inciting reverse racism and breaking the law ....
I have seen the aerial photo of the hui and there was no way it was 10,000 people .. not even close
Shane talks a good reasoning luv him
Glad to have it clarified that the Government has no intention to change or alter the Treaty in any way. What are the origins of the leak?
If the document has not yet been seen or discussed by cabinet, it does not represent the intentions of the government on this issue. It has however, very mischievously stirred up a lot of fear and unrest amongst many people.
It would certainly serve the interests of the opposition to fuel those fears and concerns, but it would also be shamelessly exploitative.
Sadly, the majority of the 'public servants' who work at Parliament hate this govt and will do all sorts to undermine it. This will be some snot nosed pink haired white non-binary condescending individual with a Messiah complex pretending to be a whistleblower, stealing a draft written by one of their colleagues. It's likely to have not had the eyes of even one Minister upon it.
Just some prick trying to stir up division.
@@tinamitchell7496😂😂😂😂😂
It would also serve as a huge distraction for a newly formed government implementing it's mandates.
50 key supermarkets to have facial recognition installed, "just a trial", for instance of left hand /right hand.
Interesting that certain iwi are scared of even discussing issues. There view is they are the only ones that know what the treaty means and they will tell the rest if us! Well sorry the treaty was signed by Iwi and Hapu with a major world power in the hope of bring some stability to a land of murder violence slavery. Whalers of all nations ran riot in NZ. The hell hoke of the pacific. Maori did not sign as an entity they signed as individual Iwi Hapu. The treaty is part of history. The modern relevance needs discussion and agreement by all NZs All the new government has said
Is that we meed a discussion. You would think the sky was falling!!!! .
Actually the pre-eminent world power at the time was ASKED to intervene by some of the Maori tribes.
Same in Fiji, people were living up the hills ,afraid of raiding parties,they welcomed the arriving 'peacemakers' and moved back down to the coast.@@paperclip612
Well said Shane ! you are a force to be reckoned with....yes there is too much interference from Maoridom radicals .. Unfortunately you can blame labour for the unrest ..they spoiled the Maori ...now with a change of Government the gravy train has slowed down ...and the radicals not like it! We are all equal here regardless ..why should the Maori be singled out for special treatment...we are all special no matter what colour...
Far cup! I am Māori so please tell me where I was spoilt again whilst labour was in govt? Far Kim muppet you are, I’m special and proud to be Māori, very few of us Māori in the world. So don’t say we are all the same regardless of colour.
Jenny May there aren't 3 principles there are 3 articles. Shane told you the principles were introduced in 1975 and are organic and can be shifted and reinterpreted at the pleasure of Maori ad infinitum
Exactly - thank you!
@robintamihere4550
When the principles of the treaty were first mentioned in legislation in 1975, one member of Parliament predicted that they would create ‘debate, dissension and even divisiveness’ in New Zealand.2 Indeed, the principles of the treaty have been, and continue to be, the subject of debate. On one
From Google
trouble is commentators like her have no ears, they are only there to ......... geez I don't even know why she is there
In Article 1 of the Treaty (in whichever language) the Maori chiefs and the people they represent cede all sovereignty and authority to the Crown.
There should be no question of where authority rests.
tuheitia is a labour voter . they lost . suck it up
All of us a sick of it. Ultimately we need to shred the outdated treaty and rewrite it. Hui happens in Wellington Jenny, in the government buildings, not some backwater marae in timbuktu.
Would be good if J.May didn't try a twist the facts and force her points of view onto all. The fact that it was an iwi meeting means iwi.. not government. Government is elected .. iwi are a group and can do what ever they want. Now difference to a group of Kiwi having a BBQ. We wouldn't expect government to turn up to that. What she should be asking is who leaked the document. I want to see a "Bill" introduced to throw anybody who leaks government documents should be thrown in jail.
It almost appears that certain elements DONT want the Treaty enshrined in any legislation or review for that would mean it cant be amended or altered to suit future situations.
That's exactly what it's about.
You have got it!
Yep
Lol, "They can't change nothin'" 😂 i thought he was supposed to be a king😂
Perhaps he is better at te reo.
@@kaytaylor9578apparantly he cant speak te reo
How many times does TV1 have to be told that National won't support the bill after the first reading? Is there something in the education of TV1 broadcasters that they don't understand English. The bill is dead in the water.
Some of the comments from te patti !?? Nothing is off the table! If they don’t get their way 😮 that sounds, seditionist threat
Take the cheaty of Waitangi to a referendum
Media busy to blow this into a very serious matter. The media needs to be held accountable for their actions.
Good informative answers Shane.
Jenny may is insufferable
Is she listening!! Someone need to get through to Maori that New Zealanders are not all Maori. Nor want to be.
Co goverenence isn’t in the treaty document but the Māoris had no issues with that . Either was Maori control of water etc etc . The bottom line is the Māoris have had their paddle taken from them and their nonsense is dead in the water and so when they don’t get what they want then their default setting is to call the government racist 😂😂
Sovereignty was sorted out in 1840. End of story.
The Chiefs of the Confederation of the United Tribes of New Zealand and the separate and independent Chiefs who have not become members of the Confederation CEDE to Her Majesty the Queen of England absolutely and without reservation all the rights and powers of SOVEREIGNTY which the said Confederation or Individual Chiefs respectively exercise or possess, or may be supposed to exercise or to possess over their respective Territories as the sole sovereigns thereof.
Main stream woke media needs to be defunded.
You were there then?
@@YKATO871
He is quoting the treaty mate .
Good comment...definitely smarter than your average bear.
@robintamihere4550
The first
The Chiefs of the Confederation and all the Chiefs who have not joined that Confederation give absolutely to the Queen of England for ever the complete government over their land.
SOURCE waitangitribunal.GOV
This time I stand with Shane on logic common sense comment, tvnz again try to twist National, act and New Zealand First.
Shane jones is amazing 🗿🗿🗿🗿🇳🇿🇳🇿🇳🇿🇳🇿
shane jones is really showing leadership....long live nz1st.
Yep you tell 'em Shane 😂 not with iwi.. good 👍
😂😂 get em Shane 😂
Thank ýou Shane. The people have voted, end of. Most of us are sick and tired of the beginning of every year hearing from the disgruntled few Maori radicals and their supporters. Thank goodness Democracy is to be upheld by this coalition Government. We hear that Maori are 17% of the vote and 2% of those 17% voted for the Maori Party. Therefore 83% ( or the majority) of the voting public voted for this coalition Govt with their stance on treating every NZerequally, all treated the same and not 17% being an exception to the rule ! Thank you to the coalition Govt for having no biased policy, the majority support you.
Well said shane
The Treaty of Waitangi was supposed to unite us but certain Māori voices are now having the opposite effect. No one understands what they want and I suspect they don't either. Maybe they want independence and sovereignty and half the countries tax take? Maybe they want the rivers and lakes and every drop of water that falls from the sky?
The Maoris are getting all crazy about What No one is saying the treaty is gone.People . All people of N Z just want to Know WHAT DO YOU MAORI WANT.Becose no one else knows.And that is were the conversation needs to be had. But Maori' are Being completely unreasonable.
They the practise protesting Maori want to run the whole country,THE CANT EVEN RUN A BATH
@rob..... but they sure can run their mouth.
They want the New Zealand people to be there slaves, and they will never stop until they get it.
There was mention of Maori... because Maori are also new zealanders
Tell the fellas to discipline their own peoples behaviour rather than trying to teach government what to do these fellas are not elected by anyone just displaying ignorance 😂
The Treaty has
ARTICLES not
"principles".
As to whether New Zealand exists?
Or is new zealand only the Ross dependency as defined in Statute.
Magna Carta applies to all people.
The Magna Carter should be taught in Schools .....
Just look at her face challenging Shane to dispute anything she says,and constantly trying to trip him up
I have grown to like this man’s cool calm approach.👍
King Tainui isn't recognised on the Central Plateau. We watched both boat people arrive from the sea then forge a Treaty without us. Throw the bullshit Treaty down the shit house.
Shane is the man and real deal
Her questions couldn't be more loaded if she tried. "The Sovereignty rests with the voters of New Zealand". This is the crux of the matter and Maori activists will learn this the hard way.
EXACTLY NO GOOD TELLING TV1 THAT .THEY SUPPORT THEM .WHOS PAYING THEIR BRIBES NOW???
Why the maori gp do not focus on how to improve the education, poverty , health of its people? It is time maori gp changes its tactics by looking at the real issues of its people.
King Tuheitia " Make it so they can't change nothing". So the double negative means he wants to ensure the treaty can be changed.
Shane Jones you speak for us and our desire to move forward for the benefit of all.
Can we please now get over the triti and move on. It's not relevant.
and the moanfest continues. zzzzzzzzz
Why is an ex netball player masquerading as a journalist? She has no credentials that give me any confidence that she can investigate an issue objectively.
Not all kiwis know that we are all equals unfortunately some new Zealanders are obsolete.😂😂😂
I love how she shouted 10,000
That means she would scream 30,000 at foo fighters
By its own admission, The Waitangi Tribunal states the Treaty principles are 'ever evolving and changing' and that is the issue that should be discussed...
Can't change what the Treaty Chiefs spoke let's start quoting them
Personally I think it would be really refreshing to have a media that represents the will of the majority rather than a bunch of toadies bowing down to radical Maori.