Why Honda Jet Will DOMINATE The Future
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 12 ม.ค. 2022
- To fly a distance of 2500 miles, like from New York to Los Angeles, you need to make at least one fuel stop in any light jet currently in production. The Syber jet can fly such distances nonstop, or even fly across the North Atlantic from New York, but you can’t have more than two passengers on board, and besides, when you look at the inside of the SJ30, haha, your guess is as good as mine. Those who don’t want a small jet but want to fly long distances resort to either settling for fuel stops here and there or simply go for medium-sized jets like the Gulfstream G280 or the Bombardier Challenger 300. These jets are slightly larger (well, large enough that you can stand inside them), but they need two pilots to fly, and they in no way match the efficiency and economics of their single-pilot friends. But Honda wants to change that. Honda wants to prove that a jet can carry up to 10 passengers, fly fast and much farther, while remaining a single-pilot jet.
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“You didn’t tell me its a plane!”
She shouted from the ground regretting rejecting the offer of a ride on my Honda for a ride on a Harley.
Bwahahaha.
Had one of those episodes back in 69 riding a 305 Superhawk.
I love Honda. State of the art technology.
Formula1, cars, planes, motorcycles, generators, robotics ... you name it.
Not for "I want the cheapest junk" Walmart customers,- but for "I want the best" clients.
MotoGP and Formula 1 💙
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It's all great except... Acura 🤮
@@RaulEdu33 i agree their normal everyday cars are not the greatest but the NSX? that's nice imo...
I manage a corporate jet AOG maintenance facility based out of SoCal. I cover Alaska to Panama. I do not see very many Honda Jets. I feel that there is a big marketing hype and push on these. They are a novelty. Being rated for single pilot and getting insured for single pilot are two entirely different things. Bombardier, Cessna, Dassault, Gulfstream and Embraer dominate the market. If NetJets doesn't operate them that says a lot.
If NetJets doesn't operate them it only says that Honda isn't willing to give them a big discount....
@@janvanhaaster2093 not only. That might be a factor but it might have absolutely nothing to do with it.
You have a point about the existing market. What the video alludes to is that the hondajet could open jet aviation up to people who would otherwise not fly private; if jet based GA were to tripple as a result of only having to have 1 pilot (further impacted by the current pilot shortage) there will be a lot of money to be had.
@@Kingmeri citation mustang and eclipse are also single pilot so there is nothing unique there. It’s marketing wank and like I said, everyone does it. “This product will revolutionize” (insert industry of choice - aircraft, shaver, dish soap etc). The thing I learned in industry is that there is ABSOLUTELY NO CONNECTION between the marketing people and the engineers who developed the aircraft. In fact having engineers around, who have a terrible habit of being factual, is a marketing guy’s worst nightmare. The salons of Paris, Farnborough, EBACE, NBAA are populated with slick handsome dudes in nice suits with great haircuts. No engineers in sight. That way they can bullsh1t as much as they want without fear of contradiction. And boy oh boy do they ever.
@@sblack48: Ha! A world-wise experienced man. 👍 Three classes from my A&P, but will likely stay in semiconductor manufacturing - well clear of the aviation 'business.' 😉
Honda has a well earned reputation for great engineering, quality, and reliability. They're old jingle was "Honda, we make it simple." This Hondajet follows the same principal. It's great to see a philosophy, started by the founder, continue.
Not bad for a guy who started his automotive dream working for TOYOTA making piston rings
Except in f1 racing they failed miserably
@@Jdalio5 coz in F1, ain’t nothin simple
@@Jdalio5 Well the F1 champion last year Max Verstappen had a Honda powered a f1 car and won the world championship so they do know how to make pretty good power plants for F1
@@Jdalio5 they produced the last F1 winner
Thanks for an excellent presentation from a former airline and ferry pilot
Curious how people /flight departments will compare the new stretched Honda
vs
the single pilot Pilatus PC-12 turbo prop...or the new Beechcraft Denali
or jet, the single pilot certified Pilatus PC-24
It's all about the mission
If rarely exceeding 1500 miles, the PC-24 is hard to beat
If rarely exceeding 600 nm, the PC-12 is impossible to beat.
Dream on! Cessna Service Centers can not be beat! They have the best service and support network available! THAT'S what matters most to customers! When you're plane is sitting on the ground waiting on parts and maintenance, it does you no good! Service makes or breaks a product! Cessna KNOWS this and that's where they focus their energy! Top Notch Support Network!
You're right... But I think I mentioned that too 😊😊😊
This is why I'm torn between a CJ3 and a Phenom 300. Cessna has better service.
I would have agreed several years ago, but my experience is that their service has gone downhill considerably and I look forward to flying an Embraer, as they are far more reliable.
Looking very nice for the current jet and the newer 2600 would be a very good addition.
I remember how many people were saying that Mitsubishi would dominate the regional jet market some years ago. Now its project is canceled. The truth is that making an aircraft is not easy and the competition is ferocious. Anyway, I am looking forward to see what Honda can come up with. Surely they will have to come up with some breakthrough to get there. I am also looking forward to see what will be the answer from Embraer, which in my opinion has the best team of engineers in the aviation market today.
MU2 worst airplane EVER
*forward to seeing
“People were say” = marketing. No objective industry observers were saying that. Those of us IN the industry were snickering and saying man these guys have no clue what they are up against. A lot of my former colleagues ended up there and were making double their former salary and were watching the program go nowhere. MHI’s cultural practices were such that they were incapable of making even basic decisions and moving forward. They spent something like 10 billion dollars and have nothing to show for it.
@@willcthestormchaser6493 i have a friend who has one. He has 2000 hrs on it so he speaks with some authority. There are special recurrent training requirements because of its hideous safety record. He bought it to use in the arctic because it was cheap (nobody wants them), big and turbine. He confirmed that it is pretty horrible, especially when the AP fails and you have to hand fly it. He eventually scrapped it (its sitting in his yard slowly being stripped of parts) and bought a king air.
@@sblack48 It is good to know. May I ask what do you do for a living, Sir? What are people from inside the industry saying about Honda´s project?
ABSOLUTELY LOVE THIS GUYS!
I remember Honda presented their mockup Prototype Honda Jet at arther whitfield airport in saint pete florida back in like 05 during the festivals of speed. It was amazing, and in knew Honda had a hit on their hands. Theirs was nothing quite like it at the time. Creating an all new market withing the private light jet aircraft market. No it couldnt fly fully cross country, but it could do considerable long distant hops with much of the speed and comfort of aircraft much larger costing several times as much. It was an all new sector and it would attract alot of attention for potential buyers, and low and behold it didnt dissapoint when all was said and done. And now Honda has upped the ante several fold, with their Honda Jet 2600, who's specs are an industry gamechanger even greater than the original honda jet. Here is an aircraft that accomplishes the goal once again at a fraction of the cost of its larger more lavish competitors. Once again accomplishing ones required goals without breaking the bank. Here is one that many sectors and airlaines would love to see in their fleet lineups. and did i mention coast to coast traveling range!!!!
If I win the lottery I will get one. Capable flying to Hawaii is awesome.
you would run out of gas halfway there if you took a Honda jet from the states
Just before you get to Hawaii you will be VERY LOW on fuel, so…you will have to turn around to go back to refuel.
Geez this has taken over 20 years. I worked on it at Mississippi state university back in 1999! That Honda used to have forward swept wings and RASPED flight research lab still has the autoclave Honda built for them
I work at a smaller regional airport but we get a lot of corporate jets coming through. From what I see. The phenom, legacy, and citation excel are by far the most popular because they have part support and they are pretty cost effective. I hope the Honda starts taking over cause I think it’s pretty bad ass. Falcon 2000 still cooler to me tho
WOW, WOW changes the customer base with it's range, bravo!!
“Haters don’t get upset. I’m in the sky in my HondaJet?” Big Time Checks the song.
😵 Wow ! Sounds Phenomenal. Sign me up. 👍
I want one of these Honda Jets!! Amazing innovations and pricing target.
Pilatus PC24 is the best hands down.
Stunning
Blue Man 6 … Nice video! I flew the C-141B at CHS for many years, then Delta Air Lines, now Part 135 charter on the CJ3+ w/Garmin 3000. I will find out on Wednesday if I am going to be flying the Honda Jet for a 135/91 operation. I really want to fly a newer jet. Quick question: What is the symbol depicted at the end of the video? “Frite Pour Little Me?” 🤣
Excellent video. Hoping Honda includes auto throttle and fly by wire. If so, This jet maybe a serious consideration for my company to purchase.
Is the new honda jet going to have a single point fuel port or is it going to be like the other honda jets where the fuel port is by the engines.
That’s amazing plane
Taking a flight in a Honda jet for my Highschool career day in a few days, can’t wait!!!
Just what the aviation industry needs. A single pilot jet that has 2625 nm range. Who the heck wants to go coast to coast as a single pilot operation? Count me out.
What is the range with only 2 occupants onboard and full tanks? Can the cargo compartment be minimized to encompass an extra fuel tank for even more range?
How about a conversation for bringing back the Dornier jet? Why they ended is because the company went belly up. I get that! But it was a good aircraft that never got the chance to really fly and show what it could do. I got the chance to work with them and fly in them. They were comfortable and a good all round aircraft.
I'ma hold out for the ion engine drive 🤣 "Scotty, give me all you got" !!! 👽
Once Honda gets a few more years into the market they should have better Economies of scale, as well have a greater market share. They really could boost their immediate sales, revenue marketshare if they offered an incomparable warranty/service package with the ability to pick up and order parts from any Honda dealer or online. They’re MSRP price for a brand new PJ is unbeatable for what you get, just needs a little more time in the market and something to bring more eyes and attention towards them over buying a used “name your fancy jet here”
Great video, HondaJet still has many things to improve such as the runway performance and hourly cost.
Interesting
Fantastic.
Realy Good.
😊
I want one!!!
Love it
If Honda can get the reliability up, and have more service centers it might get more popular. We have one at my local fbo, it’s the guys second one because the first one was bought back because it was in service twice as much time as it flew. The owner actually went and bought a king air to fill what the Honda won’t do. They will need to vastly improve paint quality to even come close to Cessna or Embraer.
I just love the honda jet-2600
curious as to why they didn't opt for a side stick.
Necessary development for Honda, maybe in the next 20 to 30 years, we will see long range medium 2 pilots and 15 passengers aircraft from Honda too, or very long range super medium 2 pilots and 18 passengers aircraft too?
Also maximum coming demand is from Asia so people will be more comfortable with Honda. After sales is an issue with Pilatus & to some extent even Bombardier in this part of the world.
why no side stick? Just curious
I wasn’t bent on world domination, but thanks for the reminder, Dwayne! ☑️
Beautiful… I’ll take two
Pretty plane
VTEC JET ?!!!
If it works out, I think they gonna bring a lot of competition in the entry level market
I love Honda engine in cars and also have a Honda lawnmower I love you too so this oughta be great
Me some wagie: ah yes sounds great I will definitely purchase one if i happen to find several million dollars :')
When I win the MegaMillions lottery (currently $1.2B) the Honda Jet 2600 will be my first choice 🥰. It will certainly make a grand entrance every time it arrives at an FBO 🥳.
Fbo worker here I think they should have consulted ramp agents before designing it
This Is (Eight Wonder)✈ Of The World, but my real name is Cory, thanks to you for the videos! ✈
I too like fly by wire, with a mechanical back up, and I like to keep the yoke, it is a transport category plane, not a fighter. For those who still think of Honda's engineering etc, maybe you are not aware since the last of the 2 founders died, Honda been taken over by risk averse accountants. They are not as leading edge as they used to be, at least their cars. The single pilot concept is strictly to do with how much automation , regulations and basic risk management. Just because the plane is rated for single pilot, does not mean the insurance will make it easy to fly alone. You can take off with a 747/400 alone if you have to, but you be very busy, as long as you push all the right buttons. The jet market is not so easy to dominate, since engine technologies (and avionics) are a tightly held secret in all countries. What ever price advantage can only be the result of the airframe. Right now, I feel the Brazilians had a lot of savings they have not passed on to buyers. I am not sure I prefer the PC24, it is over 100mph slower than other jets, except the single engine one. The PC 12 is just 30 mph slower than the competitor, the TBM 900, that I accept.
I think there's a little bit of confusion here. The Honda Jet 2600 is planned to be single pilot certified for commercial flights. As in, you can use the jet to take paying customers around with only a single pilot. With a 747/400, that is not the case. Even though it is physically possible to fly it with a single pilot, it would be illegal to do so if you're doing so commercially.
As for engine technologies and avionics being tightly held secrets, you are incorrect w.r.t. the commercial market. You can buy engines and avionics off the shelf. They aren't secrets. It's actually pretty rare for a jet company to use engines that they also make and, as far as I'm aware, all of the competition is using engines and avionics bought from other companies.
As for the price advantage, you're missing the single-pilot aspect which makes it more palatable for small charter companies who don't need to keep as many pilots around making scheduling and such much easier. It also makes it easier for an individual owner to fly the jet as they don't have to hire a co-pilot. And just simplifying the price advantage to "the airframe" is sort of missing the point: the airframe is basically the entire plane. Of course the price advantage is going to be in the airframe. It'd be weird if it weren't the case.
Remember when keeping an aircraft on the runway during landing was a required design feature in aircraft development? Honda forgot that part.
No thrust reverse? What do you mean exactly
Worlds most expensive lawnmower
For decades we have heard about the Honda jet....yet they are as prolific as the flying cars featured in Popular Mechanics Magazine that I used to read as a child. (Those have been replaced by self-driving cars that we will never see as long as they share the roads with regular drivers.) They have never caught on.
Hundreds of hondajets are flying currently. They are great airplanes
@@halo7ification You never see them in the United States. Never.
@@RLTtizME they are everywhere in the United States. Heck i see 8 at my work. They are private jet
@@RLTtizME theyxare also manufactured in the United States. So to say that you would never see them here is just wrong
@@halo7ification So what....you never see them here. They must all be exported. Sorry little guy. It is true.
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The only thing I'd like to see on the 2600 is a fly by wire side stick instead of the yoke center... Besides that, it sounds like it's gonna be amazing if they make it out of the concept stage & roll into production...
Digital fly-by-wire would price the jet out of the market. Embraer (450/500) Legacy/Praetor (500/600) jets are the only jets under 50 million that have fly-by-wire.
@@teddyballgame4823 *I disagree... Maybe if it was 5-10 years ago you'd be right but the technology & flight software has come a long way in a short time... There would be no need for invention, just implementation....
@@dvo1245 If that was true, there would be jets in this class with it now.
@@teddyballgame4823 *you're going to see it in the next generation of lbj, it's inevitable!!!
great engineering, quality, and reliability class leading in range speed and interior space and being single pilot certified even on there 2600 concept plane there no plane that could macth there capability for the price.
There is no luxury more enviable than a SINGLE PILOT private jet. Especially if you are the pilot AND the owner! It is the closest thing to a 'magic carpet' to be found in the real world!
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Hey Dwayne, is Mitsubishi upset with you when you show a picture of an MU-2 and Call it a Honda MH01 experimental turbo prop?
Overall a good quality video. Does anyone else care about the pronunciation of "fuselage" ("fusi-lige"??) ? (That's pretty basic aviation vocabulary)
I’m excited that this small plane has a bathroom!
Very nice plane for sure but the phenom 300e still has my heart ❤️✈️
First it has to be beautiful
Is that 2500 nautical miles with our without VTEC?
360 knots is painfully slow for a jet.
Phenons already dominate the market and the new versions will bring even higher reliability and less maintenance costs.
Guess they don't dominate enough for people to know how to spell 'Phenom' properly :)
6 years later, it’s still a f**kedup looking airplane !
I think it's going to dominate.
Sure... I actually considered this as a title.... But I kept it simple... Maybe I'll put it back 😊😊
Dwayne needs to study more aviation - Here are the numbers of sales - Cessna Citation Mustang - 479 , Embraer Phenom 100 - 380, Cessna Citation M2 - 244, Cirrus Vision SF50 - 169 , Honda Jet 141 . So Honda Jet is far from being a hit in the market. They got some sales in the last 3 years because of price and not because the airplane is popular. Embraer is actually much more popular, and it is a company that has been in airplane markets for more than 50 years with the best customer support. Just in 2019 Cirrus sold 81 aircraft against 39 Honda Jet. The reality is that comparing to its competitors Honda Jet has been struggling. Honda has a nice airplane, but you shouldn't mislead people that it is popular. In the last two years the sales were far below the competitors. Embraer holds the official favorite title with more than 600 airplanes sold in this light jet market.
The same thing seems to have been said in the 1960s when Honda cars entered the United States.
I prefer my cirrus sr 22 turbo. I had a tbm but I didnt like the carpet. It gave me rug burn on my knees
Wow thats for sharing
hahahha Nice one
How about Celera 500L ? Honda should make its plane operation cost down to 1/4 to compete with the Celera 500L and bring it to the mass.
Celero has gone out of radar, I don’t hear about it anymore. Wonder why
I think we are all used to living off of the name Honda when it comes to dependable motorcycles and things of that nature. I believe the airline industry is something completely different.
Thing sounds like an underpowered vacuum once it's started up. But it's also the fastest single pilot ac. So there's that. But I hate having to fuel one, I'd rather fuel a beechjet.
CJ4 is a significantly faster single pilot jet
@@sgt_squinchy and the phenom 300 is faster still. Guess I gotta go back to the marketing guy and challenge him on this point. Thanks for pointing this out.
Excellent to 2600 Hondajet , how to contact and get more info about this Jet ? and how much the estimated price offer ?
This video is all over the place
Six hours in the left seat, approach to minimums on the other end…..What could possibly go wrong?
Practical matters have to be looked at - what if the single pilot needs a rest room break
Guess it’s the same as if the vision Jet pilots needs a restroom break.
In all honesty, even single pilot jets usually fly with 2 pilots especially when flying long haul.
Fighter pilots fly 5-10 hour missions with refueling all the time
just put in autopilot and go to bathroom
@@charlesn787 not exactly how that works but yeah obviously the autopilot would be engaged in cruise
@@charlesn787 Hopefully you’re being facetious. It obviously will hav sophisticated flight management system but it is and will continue to be against FAA regulations to leave the controls if you’re flying single pilot regardless of autopilot usage,
I think Vision SF50 will.
WANT
Doesn't matter if it's certified single pilot by the FAA because the insurance companies still require two pilots.
Honda Jet 2600 isn’t going to dominate unless it can cross the Atlantic/Pacific Ocean’s, this will require at least a 2500 nm range.
Jet A is $6.57 in my area. I'm getting a bike. 😂
Do talk about the negatives.
Thought the commentary wandered.
I think the next generation of the Piaggio will be better than the Hondajet2600.
Want
Well they have a lot of catching up to do. Bombardier and Gulfstream are trillions of miles ahead...
To speaking to several airline mechanics they admit that the honda jet is not actually that reliable.
"airline mechanics"? 🙄
Subramaniam vision
There is a serious deficiency with these aircraft. Numerous Honda Jets have had runway excursions. There needs to be some thorough investigation to the aircraft's runway performance or the training program to fly them.
Suprised Learjet wasnt mentioned
Fly on that baby would be the dream
Why do they think of engines from GE or Rolls Royce. Those two brands provide superior performance and are super reliable. The cost maybe of an issue, but we are talking aviation expenses and as everyone knows those are never low.
Well, the jet engines were made in a GE-Honda partnership, so it would be weird if Honda went and bought a different GE engine to replace the one that they made together.
Honda is an expert at making reliable, cheap engines. I think Honda thinks they have a competitive advantage compared to companies that have to outsource their engines since Honda presumably has lots of in-house experience customizing engines for specific applications. The Honda Jet 2600 engine is likely to be engineered specifically for the Honda Jet 2600 which can potentially allow for greater efficiencies than something bought off the shelf and modified for use.
One thing to keep in mind is that Honda claims that their existing jet engine is more efficient, less costly, and easier to maintain that competitor's engines. From anecdotal evidence, this appears to be the case although I don't have real numbers handy. With this in mind, why use someone else's engines if Honda's is already better in the ways that matter?
@@justhecuke I didn’t know they developed engines in cooperation with GE. If that’s the case then of course it wouldn’t make sense to get engines from GE or any other company.
Civic car seats up in the sky Good job Honda
Pilatus PC 24 hands down beats them all. Honda Jet can pull off the mileage and they can compete but not for guys that are looking to land off road. Pilatus has that locked.
It will be called the AcuraJet.
If Michimasa say the aircraft will go 2,600 bet it will go 2,650. Nobody believed the numbers of the first Honda Jet sight unseen until he.prove them all wrong. He will do the same again.
Could they make the cockpit any uglier?
Remaining a single pilot jet, cheeping out this way, is dangerous. There is too much to do on approach and landing.
no auto throttle thou
On another note, in real life you really don't want ten pax and two pilots in that small space for 5+ hours. Besides, the lav doesn't have enough capacity.
Embraer >>>