What did the Moors look like? | Black History Course | Video 10
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- What did the Moors look like?
The Moors seemed to be a mixed-race civilisation. Now this may be surprising but a racialised view of society is something that has developed in Western Europe over the last half a millennia.
Previous to this, even Europeans would often depict the symbolic wisdom and wealth of Africans in their Nativity displays up until the 16th century. We can see this in the “Adoration of the Kings” (img) when the 3 wise kings came to visit Jesus . This positive depiction of Africans was quickly done away with as Europe started to become invested in the capture and enslavement of Africans. The narrative quickly turned from viewing Africans in a positive light to viewing them as savages. Ironically, was to justify the savage intention of the Europeans, to enslave and brutalise the Africans.
The Romans themselves were also, not a racialised society. They were imperialistic i.e. they viewed non-Romans as inferior but this wasn’t based on a racial ideology. In fact, one of the earliest Roman Legions to settle in England were described as “Ethiopian” which translates to “burnt face”. The bodies of the Romanan soldiers who settled in York at the time were tested and shown to have an average of 10% Afrian DNA (black british history, David Olusoga) (img)
Task: why do you think societies categorise people in different ways? How does this serve the nation? Or does it serve the nation?
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They were completely dark dark Blue. Purple ❤
No they weren’t
@@user-ff3px4zn7d well what you got to say they weren’t
Great video!❤
Interesting.
Thank you
MOORS WERE BROTHER'S BRO BLACK FACTS
some were. But I view this period as an example of a civilisation which drew religious distinctions far more than ethnic distinctions. As did the Roman Empire etc. It shows our concept of race to be very modern and untested in time
@@ElliottJohnReid I didn't say anything thing about RACE WHATEVER THAT MEAN all that there's no such things as race WHATEVER but in this world we Live in there BLACK and those are facts all the pictures say SO
@@supercigar123 the pictures from the time actually show varied images and ethnicities of the Moors. Eye witness accounts also vary
@@ElliottJohnReidTHEY ALL ARE BLACK 🖤 N WE ARE NOT MIXED MUTTS
True. That’s how the E haplogroup got to Europe. The White Turkish Arab carries the J Haplogroup and is not aboriginal to NA or the ME. Anthropologists have indicated that the ancient North African Iberomaurisans were black and carried paternal haplogroup E.
I like the term you can't paint the Ancient world with a modern paint brush.
Completely agree
Moors Andalusia not black
No they weren't. Far from it. The black African tribes during this time were small pockets of small communities. History says they didnt start uniting the tribes until a few hundred years ago.
@@jeremyjames1659what history are you talking about, because it's not real history. So now we are changing the original meaning of the world Moore.
@@haifawehbefan9553what are you smoking 🚬
Only in the moderning civilization did people become stupid as to label a man by his skin tone
I agree, somewhat. It is also symptomatic of globalisation. As the world gets larger, these differences become more obvious despite them lacking meaning. The issue is an emotional attachment to skin tone (ie a hierarchical association). I think the Moors, Ancient Egypt and their modern day descendants are a fantastic lesson for the post-Imperial western world to learn of the fallacy of race.
@@ElliottJohnReidyou wouldn’t have the illustrations of Yaquub if it were not for Dr. Malachi Z. York, who went through the MST, NOI, 5% NGE (he authored the Problem Book) and studied under Shaikh Dawud in BedStuy before founding the Ansaars in Bushwick, the Nubian Islamic Hebrew Nation, the Nuwuabian Nation of Moors, the AMOM etc..
The MOORS were black. SIMPLES
It's not as simple as that. We can't apply modern criteria to a medieval, multi-cultural and multi-ethnic peoples
As a Sicilian I also carry Moorish blood in me.From North Africa
thank you for sharing. Your ancestors have an amazing history and it has been my pleasure to read about them. I intend to travel to southern Spain soon to see more of their influence. Marrakech is one of my favourite destinations to travel
Marrakech is highly mixed with sub-saharan Africans go look for Gnawa they're descendents from slaves from this era@@ElliottJohnReid
If you carry haplogroup E, your grandfather was a black moor. Ask yourselves, how did the E1b1b haplogroup get to Europe? The Turkish white Arab is the owner of the J haplogroup which originated in the caucuses and migrated into NE and the ME.
Please note that Europeans were enslaving one another centuries before the African slave-trade started in earnest. The general consensus in Spain and Portugal was that slavery was an unfortunate event that befell anyone. It was not considered to be something racially deserved.
Because of that there, were laws that had been established to protect slaves of all races from abuse. For example, families could not be separated via being sold to different buyers. Marriages among slaves was respected. The slaves were allowed to work and earn money in order to buy their freedom. Cruel and unusual punishment was lagally prohibited.
In stark contrast, the Anglos had no such traditions and it was they who made it a racial thing and considered the slaves mere property. .
Tbh a lot of people are commenting trying to provide a wider historical narrative which is fine. But this course was put together to educate present peoples to prevent the propaganda produced during colonialism in having as huge an affect as it has today
So the other type of slavery is ok?
Got me all interested and didnt awnser the question. Sir i am appalled 😂
My very best friend is African American. We hang out every day. I remember recently he showed me a a video of the pope kissing the Moors feet. I have a severe TBI so I get confused or forget things easily but I'm defenitly going to go do more research again.
Honestly ds guy just brilliantly spoke my mind d fact dat Europeans brought race into everything has spoilt alot of culture and u could tell dat descendants of Romans were black since some of them had those almost look alike afro curly hair
Thank you so much. Exactly. I think some are confused about the intentions of this video. I am of west African descent and don't claim Moorish or Egyptian history. But I simply document it as evidence against the inferiority of African and dark skinned people which was propagated by European propaganda. I am in Egypt atm and the concept of race is useless. I see people here who look like all of my friends and family from Jamaica, Nigeria, India and more. It's amazing to escape the suffocating construct of race. I think Rome is an example where the concept of race is useless. For example, a Severus who governed Egypt and England was of Libyan descent but would class himself as Roman first
@@ElliottJohnReid sorry do u have some of this history on your page let me watch them
@@marvelouslukpata5345 of course. Go to www.blackhistory.school
We have early human, ancient Egyptian, glory days of west Africa and the fight for freedom modules. All easily accessible and digestible.
Please let me know what you think by emailing me at elliottjohnreid@gmail.com
Hey 👋.
Go to Spain, Portugal, north-Morocco and North-west Algeria (where the actual Andalusian Moors all fled to) and you'll know what Andalusian Moors look like.
To know what Moors in general (so not necessarily Andalusian) looked like, just look at Iberia and North-West-Africa. Than you'll have way more diversity in the looks.
Btw, "Moor" does not come from "dark skinned" or black. It comes from "Maur" which was the name of the Mauri people. (Not to be confused with 'Maori' in New-Zealand)
The Mauri people were the old Berbers of north-west-Africa. The name 'Mauretania' (ancient-Morocco and west algeria) was derived from the name Maur. There's even an old roman styled berber palace that used to be of a post Roman Berber king, i think in Algeria. It says in inscribed letters in latin: "Palace of the king of the Moors".
We should stay with the facts and Stay with what we "actually know".
This would assume that the populations of these areas haven't changed in the last 700 years which is contrary to reality. Eye witness accounts, depictions of the time and shortly after depict and describe a multi-racial people. Trade and people flowed into the Empire from as far as Senegal, Ghana, Medina, Berber tribes and European peoples.
I agree, we should stay with the facts
@@ElliottJohnReid lol@ multi r acial ..keep projecting bro. Take your meds
@@MariaNI-yf1bz projecting? You're arguing against fact with no reference to a better factual base and you think I'm projecting? Figure that out
@@ElliottJohnReid I'm from Morocco we are the real moors and we ain't black go have a dna test the European took black people in slavery but not north African
@@kamelleon9131 you really think an Empire which occupied as far as Medina, Seville and Senegal were homogenous?
Let's put your DNA theory to the test. What is the DNA of a North American? Or a Brazilian? Or an Australian? Do you see the flaw in your argument?
They literally left pictures . They were Black and some brown .
No they weren’t
From my research people we call Moors are mixed between three population groups ( central and West African Bantu people, North African Berbers and Arabs from Arabian peninsula)
When Arabs spread Islam across central Africa and West Africa they also spread their genetics alongside religion. That's why Haplogroup E is quite common around sections of central Africa and Northern West Africa.
That mixed population then spread North and some mixed with Berber populations.
Yes. I think that same genetic code is common in southern Spain today as well
@@ElliottJohnReid haha not it is not. It is almost only E-m 81. Only north africa and iberian
@@briandejong3443 I reference studies in the full text if you go to www.myrootsgodeep.com
@@ElliottJohnReid 60 to 70% of north africa are e-m81 or e-m78. It goes from morocco to egypt. It is ondenial to say otherwise. Thats why you will found mostly these haplogroups in spain, Portugal or Italië. You dont find this haplogroup in west or central africa.
Even the Black toureq have for 80 to 90% haplogroup e-m81. I am sorry but facts are facts
@@briandejong3443 I'm not in denial. I'm not attached to today's Spaniards being in any way related to sub saharan Africans. I am simply saying that there are studies which I reference in the full text to be contrary to what you're saying. I will happily have a look at any studies you can provide me with and put them within the context of my works.
This project is not to claim any history. It is to shed light on history which is often overlooked
You don't have to be concerned that I am trying to bias history in any way. On the contrary, I have attempted to be as unbiased as possible
Please send over any links you have and I will ammend or add to anything which I have already written
Classifications are rooted in power and control. It is still happening in America today.
If Arabs and Europeans were Moors, then why Europeans paint their faces black when celebrating the annual Moors festival. Evidence that the Moors were strictly black Bantus is given but people will go do futile reseaches and studies just to deny what they can see in front of them. Maur is latin meaning black face, thus Moors are black people period.
That’s not Moors celebration
You think our history like yours wasn’t documented 😂
@@user-ff3px4zn7d How can a people who taught the whole world how to read and write have their history not documented? African history was the first history to be documented but, was stolen and kept hidden for all these years by europeans to promote the very same false narrative that our history was not documented.
Historically, Africans taught the world the art of writing, how can they not have their history written?
@@thulanemtwa7346 man teach yourself
Do you think that North Africans were only Berber or Black African?
Do you also think that the Carthaginians were only black or Berber? You're aware that Greeks, Romans and Visigoths ruled these areas? Ever heard of Thomas Sowell?
This sounds like a rhetorical question. What's your point? And yes I have heard of Thomas Sowell. And yes I cover the Visigoths in later and previous episodes. I haven't covered the Carthaginians
Dam can people do research please the WHOLE OF NORTH AFRICA WAS BLACK AT SOME TIME WE HAVE 2 TALK IN TIME PERIODS
@@supercigar123 exactly. North African has undergone many invasions and mass migrations. You won't, for example, look to North America to be reflective of the ethnic make up 600 years ago
@@ElliottJohnReid Also when people say there's no such thing as RACE but we classified every animals on this PLANET but we can't classify ourselves clearly there's differences you no this let's not play that new age P.C game we not all the same but that's the BEAUTY of it all I got a Afro that other dude has strait hair I have brown skin that dude skin is pale or pink but we are different to say we're not WOW
@@supercigar123 that's not what I'm saying at all
The Flag of Sardinia has four blackheads on it..... It is called "Quattro Mauri".... Quattro meaning four... Mauri??? Well, you can answer by looking at the color of the heads on the flag... The heads are BLACK.... There is truth to your research!!
this is part of the evidence I have quoted before. Thank you
@@ElliottJohnReidpeople are just racist and don't wanna see us as anything other than sub Saharan monkey term wise..
Peace, only the powers that be, who have a hidden agenda could benefit and tell why they do a particular thing. Peace
It's weird how people like this guy give such a non factual portrait of slavery. It is annoying when people pick the African slavery as a topic, yet know so little about it. I don't know if it is coincidence, but the people who demonstrate such poor knowledge of slavery seem to all be black.... hmmmm.....
I'm black and I agree with you brother
Firstly the term moor is of very little use as it is a European term that denotes people's of north Africa in general not specifically( one correct term might be the AMAZIGH meaning freemen or free ones ) ,secondly the physical appearance moors as you call them varies, from clan to clan ,region to region, basically the more westerly and the closer the proximity to sub equatorial africa,the more negroid admixture will be present it must be noted black skin does not always denote sub equatorial origin the more southernly the lighter the skin the straighter the hair with definitely more arab appearance. .most clans were feudal in structure ; the nobility,the warrior class, slaves this is why the top two classes called themselves amazigh (the free ones )with each amazigh warriors owning at least one slave other having many more this is one reason I am mystified why people of sub equatorial decent would claim decent from the amazigh ,as the main business of the western and southern amazigh was slave trading. To the amazigh race or color was irrelevant,if they took you as slave you were a slave black white or indifferent as a matter of fact the Southern amazigh also had a vast pirate fleet known as the Barbary pirates who attacked maritime traffic as well as raiding coastal areas in Europe between the 11thcentury and the 17th century the amazigh and turks kidnapped over 2.5 million white Europeans and sold them into slavery to the eastern slave trade
1. Amazigh are a Berber people. It is not a acquired title
2. I have already mentioned the multi ethnic nature of the Moors
3. I have never met a person descendant of sub sharan Africa who claims Moorish heritage
@@ElliottJohnReid
Yes and berbers Semitic shape
Not negroes
@@ElliottJohnReid multi-ethnic in America your country not in Morocco
Morocco only (arabs berbers arabized )
Are features shape arab not negroes
@@haifawehbefan9553 this doesn't make sense. Africa is the most generically diverse continent on the planet. There's a reason Africans look very different dependant on heritage
@@haifawehbefan9553 once again, Africans are not homogenous
The word Moor means anchored Beberber are Beberber....Moors are literally dark skin Africans because they are anchored to the land all over the world
Actually moor comes from the maurisii tribe which was swallowed up the Umayyad empire but Europeans still saw the obvious difference between arabs and berbers. Therefore they continued to call all berbers moors since they couldn’t tell which berber was descendant of the maurisii tribe and which berber was NOT a descendant of the maurisii tribe.
What 🤔I married a Moore 🤓👍 ok that my name on🤣🤣🤣😁👏
Where?does scripture say there where three wise men, that's a made up lie❤
Exactly..the Bible only says WISE men came to see Christ..not three wise men..
You didn't know? All the pharaohs in Africa were Caucasian. You know because it was such a warm temperate environment. In fact if you go there today you will see mostly Caucasians walking around.
In Rome you was free or you was a slave. There was slavery during Jesus time…
The uploader obviously has wishful thinking. Any and EVERY period depiction of the Moors in paintings and descriptions show them as looking like Arabs. They may not be Arabs, but they closely resembled them. Gotta love TH-cam experts who make videos projecting what they wished history was, instead of the actual truth.
Please comment on the below sources
Karel Van Mander II's depiction of a Moor just over 100 years after the Spanish Inquisition
Black Moor depicted in the Catalan Atlas 1375 i.redd.it/26a7tjsxmbj31.jpg
Two Soldiers Leading Two Moors before a King. Illumination from the Vidal Mayor manuscript, Ms. Ludwig XIV 6, fol. 244.
Courtesy of the Getty Museum Open Content Program.
4000 Tarkur West Africans contributed to Spanish invasion
A European Scholar described the invasion of Spain by the Moors of Africa. “Their faces black as pitch
The Taurag berbers are dark in complexion
Please critique these sources, for starters and we can continue from there
I'm waiting?
@@ElliottJohnReidhe don't got nun to say
@@ElliottJohnReid.
Go to North Africa and investigate for yourself.
You're a mixed race mutt with an identity crisis.
But believe what you want if it makes you feel better.
Stupid is as stupid thinks 🤔🧐
❤ Moors looked like Arab and Spanish people 👍
According to who? And which time period? The moors were originally berbers who called themselves moors because that was the name of their confederation. When the confederation was swallowed by the umayyads, berbers considered themeselves as umayyads than maurisii. Europeans didn’t care and just kept calling all berbers moors even if they didn’t descend from the Maurisii confederation but some other confederation.
If its before the umayyads, then would look like eritreans and swahili and afar in terms of skin and facial features.
If its before the Almoravids of sub saharan africa, then europeans would say moors look like darker spanish people with more robust features.
If its after the Almoravids then moors could be any black muslim.
Politics and culture my friend
They were mix with African and Asian Afro-asian still black, Asian invaded low Kemet are Egypt.
Lables
Answer they didnt loook like you stop claiming us
When did I claim anyone looked like me?
@The Joker some were. Racial lines weren't as strict as they are today. This was a very diverse Empire with many different ethnicities working under one Empire
They don’t look mixed to me
They are Black because whytes are trying to hard to make them something else
Yeah some pictures these brothers are black also that what the Roman's said but these MOORS did invaded Europe mixing blood lines did occur and there you light skin MOORS . Also that Moorish blood line runs through the King & Queens of Scotland ,Ireland , Wales also Britain there always wearing those moorish brochures
First pict of abo abdel not black
And must know moors invaded west africa
I didn't say Abo Abdullah was black. And the Moors invaded and allied with West African peoples over the course of their reign
@@ElliottJohnReid no you put pict dark
Moors arabs berbers
They no black
@@abdovero4255 how do you define the difference between a dark moor depicted with afro hair and a black person?
@@ElliottJohnReid you all time africains Americans want aprove moors black and in reality moors not black
Because not west africains we are mideterranians north africains
we never black you only you think us black or poor people you think west africains poor people
Those who to this day suffer from poverty, hunger and disease, and even they are naked in the jungles of Africa, still until today very ignorant you think them
who are the ones who spread Islam and occupied Europe are you ok 👍
While studying history The people of North Africa, Arabs and Berbers, were the ones who spread Islam in Mali, Niger and Chad To this day, there are people in Niger, Chad, Mali, who are North Africans of Arab and Berber origin As Arabs and Touaregs, Azawad with Mali The truth you don't know The Moors occupied Ghana and then all of West Africa
@@ElliottJohnReid no we are semitic not black Africans fearturs
blah blah blah he has no clue
Thank you for yoir insightful comment
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Moor,mor, mori, mour
They were amorite people
In india and Pakistan moors are big jats community
In EU they were visigoths
Migrated from land of Israel and EU
They are amazigh.
So your images depict Moors that were Black Africans that invaded Europe around 700 AD? Now 1000 years later the European slave traders took slaves from the West Coast of Africa during the golden triangle of trade. What did the slave traders encounter? primitive mud huts, wooden spears, buffalo hides, loin cloths etc. No civilization goes back in technology 1000 years later in time. The Moors were Arabs and whites. If the blacks looked like your painting and illustrations, there would not have been the Atlantic Slave Trade. The Blacks on the coast of Africa would have had fairly modern standing armies with steel and iron. No, the blacks in Africa had wooden spears and buffalo shields. The slave traders even swapped Iron ingots for slaves along the coast.Stop creating false history. History has winners and losers, conquered and conquerors. You just can't demand equality and fairness out of history.
In the era you mentioned (Medieval West Africa), Mansa Musa was the richest man on the earth, Timbuktu was an international centre of academic excellence in the medieval world, inoculation in use against smallpox, paved streets and sewage systems were in use under the rule of Yoruba Queen, Oni Oluwo who was in trade with the Americas, Timbuktu books sold for more than their weight in Gold.
So this idea of primitivity, I don't know where you're getting it from?
If they were so primitive, why did Queen Elizabeth the 1st need to lend siege and artillery weapons to the sultan of Morocco for them to sack Songhai?
The other jumps that you make re the race of the Moors are just silly. There are accounts depicted a plethora of appearances and heritage.
I really just don't understand how you're monologuing yourself into an illogical hole, passing false assumptions of my motives and beliefs. It's strange
Moors invented slavery if you want to claim your a moor good luck to you
slavery was practiced long before the Moors. But if you could point out where I try to claim a Moorish heritage, I would greatly appreciate it. And it's "you're a Moor". Not "your"
Oh no the spell checker 🤣 as he knows I am right yes but slavery was not categorised down to race! The arabs literally used blacks as slaves and sold them they see them as different class and still do dont always blame the white people! English was slaves to romans they also stole gold bronze copper iron shall we pull down statues in rome and btw I am Italian english spanish mixed.
Also the roman soldiers found in the uk was not black you are completely wrong they cannot tell they are 10% black from a skeleton the dna is to damaged from
The bones they can only tell if they are caucasian or not and what food they grew up if they digest a lot of meat or wheat. Honestly you are pushing false data no one is denying there was black people in the roman legions but not how you are portraying it like a whole army.
@@LondonGooner I didn't protray the whole army. I quoted a study which showed 10% North African DNA. You're extrapolating what I'm saying to create a narrative you're upset with
@@LondonGooner the description of the soldiers posted at Hardians wall, where the graves were found, was as Ethiopians. That plus the biological evidence is where the evidence lies