I'm a descendent of William Jobling, the last man to be gibbeted in the UK. He was convicted for the murder of a magistrate. The story goes that he likely didn't do it, even the magistrate vouching for him on his deathbed, but he was put to death because he was on strike and they wanted to demoralise other people striking. EDIT: wrong first name sorry
I read this as the magistrate that got killed vouching for him, I like the idea that they came back from the dead to go "nuh... uh" before returning to the great beyond
@@baraitalo never went away in most of the US and some states here have been looking for ways around pharmaceutical companies who refused to supply them with with the means to do it.
@supremeclamitas5053 that is what it says - the mag on his deathbed said it wasn't (ancestor), but after the mag's death they ignored that declaration and convicted (ancestor) anyway
"Wow... Everyone here is barbaric, except for me" is so true. Anyway holy heck I did not expect the level of theatricality you've put into this. Amazing work
That last bit about how more “civil” execution methods are really just a way of making the observer feel better reminds me of an excellent video essay by Jacob Geller on “The False Evolution of Execution methods”. It explores that idea in great detail. Both his essays and your long form videos invoke a similar feeling in me. A sense that through listening to such cultured and well-spoken people talk, my worldview has been slightly shifted, or more accurately, brought into sharper focus on a given topic.
I was also thinking about Geller's video the whole time, particularly his point about how the advent of lethal injection isn't actually to spare the criminal of pain, but to give the illusion of a painless death to suage our own guilty conscience. Really harmonized with Draper's point about executions going behind closed doors to allow the upper classes to "enjoy in their fullness the very benefits of civilization". It's shocking to realize just how much of our modern justice system is based on simply removing elements of society we might find distasteful from our sight, rather than actually fixing the problems they are meant to address.
I’m a journalist in the U.S. I witnessed and documented a state execution as part of my work. This video was fascinating and very enlightening and I appreciate your tone throughout it.
I just graduated from school as a journalist. What was that like? What exactly were you reporting on at the execution? Was it just for public record, or was this for an article? I don't think I could ever do this - I have a strong interest in court reporting, but this would be going way too far.
@@StealthheartDraws I'm sure links will be scrubbed from comments. It was on assignment for work. I wrote an article. The man's name was Robert Van Hook. Between that and my TH-cam account info, you should be able to find everything. I'm hesitant to dox myself too much in a comment. It was a very intense experience and not something I would necessarily want to do again. There were very strict rules about how we were supposed to conduct ourselves. We could take nothing into the "death house." That was the official name. We were handed a notepad and a pencil by the prison officials to take notes while we were inside.
Well, I don't think you could have made this in a more dramatic fashion. You created a spectacle. Which in turn drives home the points you wished to highlight. Mission accomplished.
My spouse of 46 years, who was dying of cancer after a six year battle, elected to die with dignity. Me and our children were all there. It makes me cry to write this.
Bless you for supporting him in that 💞. My mom wants to cease meds once her dementia reaches a certain stage. We’ve talked about these issues as a family our whole life (my sister had a disorder considered “incompatible with life” but sometimes the babies live a few months. She ended up making it to 39, US record for her trisomy, but my parents thought she was “about to pass” for the first 12 years of my life. It’s actually a blessing to learn to talk about death). My elderly neighbors now seek me out because I don’t freak out when they talk about great it’s going to be reunited with loved ones, or simply that they are tired & feel like it’s a good place to leave off. Gene was 95, retired longer than he worked by 200%, and just wanted to go be with his wife, lost 30 years before. I was genuinely happy when I heard he passed away.
My most sincere condolences to you and your children. I have found it does not necessarily get *”better”* with time but it definitely gets ”different” …and different is better because it hurts much less when thinking about them (hopefully this makes sense)❤️
I am so sorry this happened to you. What a gift your spouse gave to themselves to end their struggle in the way they chose, and what a gift you and your children gave them to be with them in those final moments. I can't imagine how difficult this was for you, not just with the loss itself but with 6 years of fighting against and preparing for it. Be proud of the support and love you gave while you could. It sounds like you were amazingly supportive, understanding and dedicated to them.
I never thought I'd hear one of my favourite historians use the term 'Blood for the Blood God', but it's the crossover I needed today. Fantastic video!
9:25 This reminds me of something I recently read about torture: it doesn’t only harm the people who are physically subjected to it, but anybody who (might possibly) identify with the victims.
@ Indeed… I am from Turkey, and here, the 1980 coup is the big example. An ungodly amount of people were tortured back then, among hundreds of thousands detained and scores executed. The fear and the political stagnation that fear caused still affect the population, even kids born three decades after the fact. In fact apparent political oddities of Turkey suddenly begin to make sense once one learns of those events.
This is interesting, because I think a similar thing could be said to be happening in the mental space of the internet. From my own experience, seeing someone who bears any form of resemblence to myself being verbally lynched on here, makes me feel like I'm being attacked as well. This response , if it can be considered to be universal, could be one of the causes of a lot of modern depression.
@@JohnR31415 Literally made me cackle out loud, for some reason. It was so out of place with the tone of the video. 😂 I love when creators write their own subtitles.
I have to confess, i intended to put this on in the background, but (as always happens with this channels videos) I could do nothing but give it my undovided attention for half an hour
I love these long-form "Drapers"! They are among the best independently produced documentaries on TH-cam! Anyone who is a fan of Caitlin Doughty's sadly now-rare long-form videos on death will appreciate this work and the uncountable hours they take to make.
Incredible video. As someone from the US I am now thinking about public execution's (both in England and in our own country) vs public lynching's. Both meant to impart a message on those watching and create a specific social order but generally the people who they are really meant to send a message to are not there at the moment it happens, but of course it still imparts a message to those who are watching, of dehumanization, hate, and a reminder of what others expect you to uphold.
Indeed, I found myself also thinking of the parallel between public executions in England and lynchings in America, especially during the post-Reconstruction era. On the one hand, I'm inclined to say that there's a notable difference in that the executions in England were carried out by the state, and with the full protection of the law, whereas those lynchings were extrajudicial and illegal acts but, in practice, considering how rare it was for any perpetrators of lynchings to be arrested and convicted for their barbaric acts of murder, lynchings might as well have been tacitly legal in late 19th and early 20th century America, at least in the Jim Crow South, where they served to enforce Jim Crow despite what federal law might say.
@@Schwarzvogel1 I mean, with how frequent it was for members of law enforcement and even politicians and judges to be present they often did effectively have the protection of the law.
@@Schwarzvogel1 I wouldn't call the lynchings exactly illegal. They were public, advertised, attended by men women and children. They were sometimes photographed and postcards were printed and sold to commemorate them. It is a very real and valid point, that there is a parallel-- but asymmetrical, if there is such a thing. The person or persons being lynched were Black-- the audience lily white. Lawmen and judges attended-- lawmen and judges were often members of the Klan, too. There was no gentle commendation to God, no forgiveness, no blessing of the victim. There was only gloating and celebration. Sometimes the lynchings were carried out by mobs too impatient to wait for the "law" to perform the execution, for instance, the execution of a handful of Italians in New Orleans by a mob intent on avenging the death of the police chief, allegedly by members of a certain southern-Italian family in the city. The mob broke into the prison, sought the men out, then dragged them bodily to the street where they hanged them.
Oh, this is sublime. I turned this on with the intent of letting it play in the background for something to listen to during household tasks, but that chilling opening sequence kept me fixed to my seat. Fantastic work, thank you so much for sharing!
"Atheist just meant the wrong kind of christian" - still does in the US South. People are absolutely shocked if you don't go to church or don't believe in any sort of soul or afterlife.
@@SirAntoniousBlock It is unfortunately more complex than that. The American South is notoriously poor and so typical forms of infrastructure or places of community are hard to find and harder to maintain here. That place in society is usually filled by churches. Down here, your community, whether you like it or not, is shaped by a backbone of the church. Our houses are farther apart than the more lucrative cities. If you want to be around other people, you either have to somehow find the time and energy to form your own community or you go to church. This is part of why it is so unthinkable to some southerners to not believe (or at least profess belief.) They don't say it, but it is seen as something of a disavowal of the in-group, extended into spiritual downfall for the actually devout. You likely understand how insular it is down here; it's obvious to guess how terrifying and worthy of disdain that would get perceived. Not every southerner votes red. But we are often trapped with those who do, as it is hard to get out of here. I don't go to church. That type of thing has repercussions. When people ask if you're a believer down here, unless you're aiming to rock the boat and look like a socially unaware dick, you say yes and change the subject. Sorry for the essay, I just get twitchy about people acting like all southerners are a monolith. I'm a trans Floridian, if that gives you a clue. 🥴🔫
@SirAntoniousBlock I am trying. [He-man voice] oh my god do I try. Jokes aside, you too. We're living in interesting times to say the least, here's to smooth sailing for all of us.
I don't normally comment on things but I'm doing so now purely to drive engagement because this video is incredibly well done and deserves to be shared
My grandmother has dementia and one of her go back topics when we watch the news is bringing back executions for those who deserve it. I always engage but keep my comments vague as it’s an uncomfortable topic. It always leaves me asking so many questions about the history of it and the religious implication. Watching this has answered so much! I don’t think I’ll share it with my Gran as it may be a bit much for her but it may help me navigate the next conversation! Thank you xxx
Jenny is awesome but I see a lot of young people assume creators are the very best at their profession. Jenny is a phenomenal cultural interpreter (that’s what this is, it usually is taught out of Museum Studies & elite tour guide training), but there are hundreds of equally creative cultural interpreters all over & they do incredible work in YOUR town (ok not every town but still…). Think of Jenny as a great example of an incredible profession. Your compliment hurt my heart a little, as so many people offer programs like this, but many of you little shits only will watch on screen. You’re the ones keeping yourselves from fantastic, live programs that are usually cheap or free. It’s incredibly frustrating that so many people prefer parasocial crushes & will really try to ruin whole professions because they think their favorite creator is the best ever and all other hard working professionals are garbage because they aren’t on YT! I don’t even know if Jenny still guides, which is not a bad thing, but it’s heart breaking that people don’t get excited about the girls, just one lady because non-famous people are just garbage I guess.
@@Jack-lm8rynope the internet has spoken, she’s superior to all other professionals because she’s famous & no one else has value. Live TH-cam and parasocial idiocy. Jenny must be the expert of everything because we like her. You can vote in a positive way, but reject logic so fiercely that you become an agent of destruction in any direction you point yourself.
"Something so big and so dramatic that you cannot go about your day as usual while it's happening... the authorities are creating a spectacle on purpose" This applies not just to punishments, but to many 'ceremonies of state'. Britain has seen a lot of this recently: The Queen's Funeral, Charles's Coronation, Thatcher's Funeral, even Britain's increasingly extensive remembrance events This is sort of the opposite of protest, a disruptive event that the State creates, to shore up the status quo.
I am at a loss for words at how beautifully made this video was, and how masterfully you led us through the horror of the execution to the empathy for those directly involved. You evoke a certain vitality and humanity in the historical subjects that you cover that never fails to impress me and challenge my perception of the experience of human history. Thank you for your hard work and for sharing it with all of us. Now, I’m off to consider the homework question!
i can't remember who the quote is attributed to, and with all fear of reducing it to such simplicity, but i always thought it was best with; "if executions worked, there'd be no crime."
I'm against executions BUT: that is a bad argument. Total annihilation of crime as a benchmark to judge something "works" is unreasonable. The question should be: does it work better than the other options, or do the pro's outweigh the cons, is it the right thing to do.. I hope we will get better at handling crime as we are now..but i doubt we will ever eliminate crime
@@saraa.4295I guess a more realistic way of wording the same argument would be "if executions worked, there would be less crime in places where the death penalty exists than places without the death penalty"? But at least studies in North America have shown that that's not the case (in fact, I'm pretty sure crime rates in states without the death penalty are lower - not saying that the absence of the death penalty CAUSES less crime, there are probably many factors contributing to that, but still, it doesn't seem to deter people from commiting crimes).
@omolisa3783 that's the problem i guess...more accurate always means less catchy! But you are right, the absence of the death penalty in itself probably does not lower crime, but states with a more humane attitude have abolished the death penalty and built a stronger safety net which probably helps with crime... Maybe it's even causal in a different way, that less crime leads to more humane attitudes...
@@saraa.4295 So true about the catchiness! But yeah, I'm obviously also against the death penalty, even if it did scare people into not commiting as many crimes. But it doesn't even do that, so yeah xD
If you find yourself tempted to judge historic people by today's norms & values ... then watch this again ... the past realy was a 'different country'. What a fabulous exploration & tagible example of how different society's norms & values were in centuries past ... truely enlightening, yes truely.
So good I had to watch it twice.. Amazeballs levels of creativity on show here. Unmatched skill in making history comprehendible and relatable to our modern perspective. Love your work, masterful.
This is fascinating and really got me thinking. But as a visual artist myself, I must commend you on your truly excellent tableaus and metaphoric “wounds”. Really beautifully done!
I never considered before that public executions were a way of ensuring news spread at a time before news media. When the lower classes could read about the execution in the tabloids they no longer had to be good gossip.
Outside of the control factor that comes with executions, the idea of "inward and outward pain" and flagellation in my mind resembles early mental health "care" with asylums. "If we can't fix them, we'll keep them away from society". Not to mention the torture that happened in those places as a form of treatment. Could just be drawing on coincidences but if the mind and soul are interpreted as the same, it seems reasonable that it was an evolution of the concept of execution, framed in a much nicer way of helping behind closed doors. Excellent video as always, this one really got me thinking
The quality of this video is incredible. You’ve clearly spent an enormous amount of time doing this video; your efforts were well invested because you’ve produced one of the best TH-cam videos I’ve ever seen. Indeed, calling it a TH-cam video seems almost unkind because it is as stimulating as a well planned university seminar. I remember reading those passages from Aquinas in a philosophy of law class I took during law school and it really brought back some interesting memories.
I was a bit dubious but the Mighty Algorithm kept on telling me I had to watch. I'm not sorry I did, this was a brilliant presentation and extremely thought provoking.
Grim, but fascinating topic, really well presented. Love the Artemesia Gentileschi cosplay. Major Thomas Harrison, who Pepys described as 'looking cheerful' was said to have punched the hangman as he was getting disembowelled by a different witness to the execution, so maybe not everybody went completely willingly to their deaths. One Bible quote that medieval Christians might have thought permitted execution might be "Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's and unto God the thing's that are God's." I.e. that Christians have a responsibility to obey the Law unless it goes against God's will, and must accept legal punishments unless they conflict with their religious duties.
Thank you for this brilliant video. You've upped the production values. Fantastic. My wife's relative was one of the last people in this country to be sentenced to be hung, drawn and quartered. John Frost of Newport, Monmouthshire. A Chartist, involved in the Newport Uprising. Luckily, a young monarch decided that it wouldn't look good, so had John and his two co-defendants transported to Tasmania. Eventually, John received a pardon from Victoria. Thank you for this video.
I'd been under the impression that the drawing was part of the quartering, with each limb being tied to a different horse and the horses being sent in different directions to pull the condemned apart.
I really love the inclusion of the box- not bc we’re putting those thoughts away, but bc you were using a Monster energy drink box, and then there’s a bright blue can in the historically themed section next. 😂😂
Brilliant work! The greatest benefit of studying history is often the most difficult to communicate: putting yourself into the context of our forebears' lives while remembering that they were the same creature we are today. You've achieved this task wonderfully. Also, Monster drinks could really break some ground by sponsoring academic content to run counter to Redbull's extreme sports content.
I'm 3 minutes in, sat down with my peanut butter and jelly sandwich, and I'm questioning my decision to queue up this (very beautifully made) video as my company for lunch
Amazing video! I really appreciate the questions that were raised. I also wanted to share the comment I sent to my library in requesting they pick up a copy of Mavericks: I follow Jenny Draper on TH-cam and her historical analysis is always fascinating. I treasure the work she does to lift up stories of those in history who are often overlooked, and the care and compassion she brings to their experiences. I'm very eager to see what she's unearthed for this book.
I normally read the comments while half watching any video, but like so many others I absolutely had to give this my undivided attention. Fantastically done, and I wish it could have been even longer!
9.11 is such a blur to me. First plane impact was as we were getting to class. I remember them coming over the PA system telling teachers to turn on the TV. I think we were dismissed early that day
Wonderful, thought provoking and so well produced. Not helping with my American sense of dread hopelessness, but I'm still glad I watched it. Thank you J. Draper.
I was wondering where my J Draper posts had gone! Good to see you again and wow, what a comeback, indeed! This is one of the best videos I've ever seen. Since I had to make myself stay put for the first part of it, that's saying something! But I scrolled through the comments before I wrote this. Don't get me wrong, they were all on point, as people see what excites them the most. What I did notice, however, was the lack of comments on a point you took great pains to make: the worst public executions were reserved for treason to the government! Things that immediately threatened the public or made the public feel threatened were not reason enough to warrant such vile cruelty unless the government was threatened also! Considering the amount of apathy the Earth's population seems to have for government these days, I'm almost beginning to understand why barbaric governments still make public displays of cruelty, including war, even though I don't believe that cruelty is a good thing. Just so you know, I saw it. Please keep doing videos like this! I hate it, but if it wakes up a population or two to what's going on today, we might actually do something about it!
This video is fantastic on so many levels. So spectacular and artistic to draw our attention into the topic, with the depth and breadth of an academic literature review, but the accessible language and brevity of a short TV episode. Your honesty and empathy for the audience and your passion for the subject shows through and keeps me engaged throughout, and I'm left leaving the video with a newfound appreciation for the rich history of the topic. Hats off
4 mins in and I’m actually crying. Okay I’m catholic and the martyrs are an emotional subject. But my word the staging! Exceptional, exceptional production!
This in combination with “the false evolution of execution methods” by Jacob Geller is such a fascinating look into history and how people try to justify the death penalty
What an incredible work of art! It was beautiful, it was uncomfortable, it was gory, it was inspired! Absolutely amazing! I loved your explanation of how executions were viewed as a way to atone your sins and not just a punishment. Wonderful video, absolutely stunning.
Amazing introduction Mz Draper! Very effective, very sensitive and your talents are abound. Thank you. I did watch the attack on the world trade centre on September 11th 2001 - I was 10, it interrupted the after school cartoons; I didn't turn away, I was grieving, I was crying and I understood why there were people choosing to fall. It changed me permanently, so much so I dedicated my life to Disaster preparation, Emergency planning and training responders and managers, I read the 9/11 commission report - "a failure of imagination" indeed. I don't know who or what id be if I hadn't had that experience - but if I could change my experience, I wouldn't have been on my own watching people die live on TV, my mum heard my crying but I wouldn't let her turn it off. if I had stopped, my imagination would have run and imagine, at least i was traumatised by facts.
It’s baffling to be part of a religion where the main guy goes “hey guys, you don’t have to suffer for your sins anymore, i got it covered!” And everyone in medieval times was like “guys what if we suffer MORE”
As usual, superb in research and presentation. Intelligent and thought provoking and balanced. Already a national treasure in my eyes! Looking forward to the book and any other projects you may have in mind. Thank you.
Canadians in the audience go wild as a last min Mary Mack reference makes an appearance, which, of course, every last one of us knows thanks to the song by Great Big Sea.
When I first saw this channel i remember saying something like "it's like Philosophy Tube & Kaz Rowe had a baby". I think that baby just graduated. This was gorgeous, captivating, informative & thought provoking.
Between the time I started watching and the time I finished, admittedly with very long pauses, this became despairingly more timely and appropriate. I regret this.
Very powerful. I watched it even though it's election day in the US and I'm afraid democracy will completely die here. This weirdly gave me hope that societies change.
I actually didn't learn of 9/11 until I checked email and it was blowing up on a list I was on. Then I turned on the TV. The Challenger disaster was another I didn't learn about until after work.
I'm a bit of a space nerd. I gave birth to twins on 1 Feb 2003. No one told me the Space Shuttle Columbia had disintegrated. I didn't find out for a week. It still makes it feel like a bizarre hoax.
The production value/art of this is just such an incredible example of the outcome of working tenaciously at "your thing". Your videos have always been great, they're just so next level now!!
This is so amazingly filmed, I clicked on this just expecting a video I could listen to in the background while multitasking, but wow this was so good I was interested the whole time. Also, I appreciate the extra effort went to to include subtitles. I'm not a person that especially *needs* them, but they really help make a video more accessible and easier to understand when I am able to read along what is being said.
This is the first time I've watched any of your videos and it was amazing! Beutyful, insightful, well exposed and entrataining. As someone who loves philosophy explained in art and acting, I'm so glad I've found your chanel!
That was a very good piece of informative art, I am very impressed on many levels and I think that yoy should be proud of what you have accomplished, you have tie together many strands of human existence into one coherent work that causes one to ponder an extremely deep level. I did not expect to see such profundity when I clicked to view a history discussion that wasnt centered around the writings of the church fathers or something like that. M
This was so good! You're such an incredibly impressive creator. Love the homework assignment but I don't have any of the necessary competencies to complete it and I have papers I have to write for school. Also I was one of those kids whose school turned on the 9/11 live coverage. The school secretary went from room to room just walking in and turning on TVs without comment. Absolutely unhinged way to handle it. A friend of mine told me a couple years ago that at her school the secretary called every classroom and privately told the teachers not to turn on the TV under any circumstances.
Clicked this notification expecting a short, and was instead presented with _art_ and a 28 minute watch time, and I'm so excited
Same here!
I'm eating my breakfast on the porch on the first sunny day and a few days to watch it 💙
@liara3248 i was too! Long short clips aren't enough.
Unfortunately, attention spans are becoming shorter ...
Ditto. Exact same.
I'm a descendent of William Jobling, the last man to be gibbeted in the UK. He was convicted for the murder of a magistrate. The story goes that he likely didn't do it, even the magistrate vouching for him on his deathbed, but he was put to death because he was on strike and they wanted to demoralise other people striking.
EDIT: wrong first name sorry
Just terrifying that some people want these murders by the state to happen again!
I read this as the magistrate that got killed vouching for him, I like the idea that they came back from the dead to go "nuh... uh" before returning to the great beyond
@@baraitalo never went away in most of the US and some states here have been looking for ways around pharmaceutical companies who refused to supply them with with the means to do it.
@mbryson2899 the federal government still imposes the penalty.
@supremeclamitas5053 that is what it says - the mag on his deathbed said it wasn't (ancestor), but after the mag's death they ignored that declaration and convicted (ancestor) anyway
"Wow... Everyone here is barbaric, except for me" is so true.
Anyway holy heck I did not expect the level of theatricality you've put into this. Amazing work
This isn't a TH-cam video this is a work of art
A heart breaking but beautiful piece of art
TH-cam videos can be art
Here here!
Ms. Draper is making a bold move into the territory of TH-camrs like Bobby Broccoli, Tom Nicholas, and Bernadette Banner. It's about bloody time!
nope its both
You deserve a prize for making the first historical video on public executions without discipline and punish in the citations
That last bit about how more “civil” execution methods are really just a way of making the observer feel better reminds me of an excellent video essay by Jacob Geller on “The False Evolution of Execution methods”. It explores that idea in great detail.
Both his essays and your long form videos invoke a similar feeling in me. A sense that through listening to such cultured and well-spoken people talk, my worldview has been slightly shifted, or more accurately, brought into sharper focus on a given topic.
It is one of my favourite video essays!
I was also thinking about Geller's video the whole time, particularly his point about how the advent of lethal injection isn't actually to spare the criminal of pain, but to give the illusion of a painless death to suage our own guilty conscience. Really harmonized with Draper's point about executions going behind closed doors to allow the upper classes to "enjoy in their fullness the very benefits of civilization". It's shocking to realize just how much of our modern justice system is based on simply removing elements of society we might find distasteful from our sight, rather than actually fixing the problems they are meant to address.
@@MadHatter42 death penalty is banned in all civilized countries, USA not being one is a separate problem.
Was just coming here to add this
If you're willing to let someone's reasoning, logic, and evidence change your worldview, you're a keeper!
I’m a journalist in the U.S. I witnessed and documented a state execution as part of my work. This video was fascinating and very enlightening and I appreciate your tone throughout it.
I just graduated from school as a journalist. What was that like? What exactly were you reporting on at the execution? Was it just for public record, or was this for an article? I don't think I could ever do this - I have a strong interest in court reporting, but this would be going way too far.
@@StealthheartDraws I'm sure links will be scrubbed from comments. It was on assignment for work. I wrote an article. The man's name was Robert Van Hook. Between that and my TH-cam account info, you should be able to find everything. I'm hesitant to dox myself too much in a comment. It was a very intense experience and not something I would necessarily want to do again. There were very strict rules about how we were supposed to conduct ourselves. We could take nothing into the "death house." That was the official name. We were handed a notepad and a pencil by the prison officials to take notes while we were inside.
I am not sure if "enlightening" is good choice of words consindering the context.
Well, I don't think you could have made this in a more dramatic fashion. You created a spectacle. Which in turn drives home the points you wished to highlight. Mission accomplished.
Damn! I didn't even realise this until I read your comment
That's one hell of an intro. It's the sort of music and filmography I'd have expected from a detective series theme.
My spouse of 46 years, who was dying of cancer after a six year battle, elected to die with dignity. Me and our children were all there. It makes me cry to write this.
Condolences on your loss. Please accept a stranger's humble offer of empathy. You must miss your spouse a great deal. 😔💔🫂
Bless you for supporting him in that 💞. My mom wants to cease meds once her dementia reaches a certain stage. We’ve talked about these issues as a family our whole life (my sister had a disorder considered “incompatible with life” but sometimes the babies live a few months. She ended up making it to 39, US record for her trisomy, but my parents thought she was “about to pass” for the first 12 years of my life. It’s actually a blessing to learn to talk about death). My elderly neighbors now seek me out because I don’t freak out when they talk about great it’s going to be reunited with loved ones, or simply that they are tired & feel like it’s a good place to leave off. Gene was 95, retired longer than he worked by 200%, and just wanted to go be with his wife, lost 30 years before. I was genuinely happy when I heard he passed away.
My most sincere condolences to you and your children. I have found it does not necessarily get *”better”* with time but it definitely gets ”different” …and different is better because it hurts much less when thinking about them (hopefully this makes sense)❤️
I am so sorry this happened to you. What a gift your spouse gave to themselves to end their struggle in the way they chose, and what a gift you and your children gave them to be with them in those final moments. I can't imagine how difficult this was for you, not just with the loss itself but with 6 years of fighting against and preparing for it. Be proud of the support and love you gave while you could. It sounds like you were amazingly supportive, understanding and dedicated to them.
Im so sorry, dear. May he rest in peace. I hope you and your family are doing okay, sending lots of love
I never thought I'd hear one of my favourite historians use the term 'Blood for the Blood God', but it's the crossover I needed today.
Fantastic video!
Skulls for the skull throne, technoblade never dies
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I'm gonna go get me a bowl of Khorne Flakes.
I whole heartedly agree! It endures her to me even more! 💜💜
Somewhere in the warp , Khorne smiles
9:25 This reminds me of something I recently read about torture: it doesn’t only harm the people who are physically subjected to it, but anybody who (might possibly) identify with the victims.
And that is the point.
There is also the _threat_ of torture, you don't need to torture all that many people, so long as they all know that you _can._
@ Indeed… I am from Turkey, and here, the 1980 coup is the big example. An ungodly amount of people were tortured back then, among hundreds of thousands detained and scores executed. The fear and the political stagnation that fear caused still affect the population, even kids born three decades after the fact. In fact apparent political oddities of Turkey suddenly begin to make sense once one learns of those events.
This is interesting, because I think a similar thing could be said to be happening in the mental space of the internet. From my own experience, seeing someone who bears any form of resemblence to myself being verbally lynched on here, makes me feel like I'm being attacked as well. This response , if it can be considered to be universal, could be one of the causes of a lot of modern depression.
“Music goes BWAAAAAA”. What a great subtitle
@@JohnR31415 Literally made me cackle out loud, for some reason. It was so out of place with the tone of the video. 😂
I love when creators write their own subtitles.
Is there a timestamp? I was watching without subs lol
@@anthropomorphicpeanut6160 1:11 lol
@@CouldntThinkOfaGoodUsername thank you!!
I have to confess, i intended to put this on in the background, but (as always happens with this channels videos) I could do nothing but give it my undovided attention for half an hour
Agreed!
Same! I was supposed to be getting ready for bed but instead I watched this with my undivided attention (very rare for me!)
Agreed.
I love these long-form "Drapers"! They are among the best independently produced documentaries on TH-cam! Anyone who is a fan of Caitlin Doughty's sadly now-rare long-form videos on death will appreciate this work and the uncountable hours they take to make.
I love the creative ways you were able to do this video and not have it flagged or taken down. Really well done.
Wow! This is a new level of theatricality for you. Respect.
Incredible video.
As someone from the US I am now thinking about public execution's (both in England and in our own country) vs public lynching's. Both meant to impart a message on those watching and create a specific social order but generally the people who they are really meant to send a message to are not there at the moment it happens, but of course it still imparts a message to those who are watching, of dehumanization, hate, and a reminder of what others expect you to uphold.
Indeed, I found myself also thinking of the parallel between public executions in England and lynchings in America, especially during the post-Reconstruction era.
On the one hand, I'm inclined to say that there's a notable difference in that the executions in England were carried out by the state, and with the full protection of the law, whereas those lynchings were extrajudicial and illegal acts but, in practice, considering how rare it was for any perpetrators of lynchings to be arrested and convicted for their barbaric acts of murder, lynchings might as well have been tacitly legal in late 19th and early 20th century America, at least in the Jim Crow South, where they served to enforce Jim Crow despite what federal law might say.
@@Schwarzvogel1 I mean, with how frequent it was for members of law enforcement and even politicians and judges to be present they often did effectively have the protection of the law.
@@Schwarzvogel1 I wouldn't call the lynchings exactly illegal. They were public, advertised, attended by men women and children. They were sometimes photographed and postcards were printed and sold to commemorate them. It is a very real and valid point, that there is a parallel-- but asymmetrical, if there is such a thing. The person or persons being lynched were Black-- the audience lily white. Lawmen and judges attended-- lawmen and judges were often members of the Klan, too. There was no gentle commendation to God, no forgiveness, no blessing of the victim. There was only gloating and celebration. Sometimes the lynchings were carried out by mobs too impatient to wait for the "law" to perform the execution, for instance, the execution of a handful of Italians in New Orleans by a mob intent on avenging the death of the police chief, allegedly by members of a certain southern-Italian family in the city. The mob broke into the prison, sought the men out, then dragged them bodily to the street where they hanged them.
Oh, this is sublime. I turned this on with the intent of letting it play in the background for something to listen to during household tasks, but that chilling opening sequence kept me fixed to my seat. Fantastic work, thank you so much for sharing!
"Atheist just meant the wrong kind of christian" - still does in the US South. People are absolutely shocked if you don't go to church or don't believe in any sort of soul or afterlife.
Well they're the sort that vote for Trump.
@@SirAntoniousBlock It is unfortunately more complex than that. The American South is notoriously poor and so typical forms of infrastructure or places of community are hard to find and harder to maintain here. That place in society is usually filled by churches. Down here, your community, whether you like it or not, is shaped by a backbone of the church. Our houses are farther apart than the more lucrative cities. If you want to be around other people, you either have to somehow find the time and energy to form your own community or you go to church. This is part of why it is so unthinkable to some southerners to not believe (or at least profess belief.) They don't say it, but it is seen as something of a disavowal of the in-group, extended into spiritual downfall for the actually devout. You likely understand how insular it is down here; it's obvious to guess how terrifying and worthy of disdain that would get perceived.
Not every southerner votes red. But we are often trapped with those who do, as it is hard to get out of here.
I don't go to church. That type of thing has repercussions. When people ask if you're a believer down here, unless you're aiming to rock the boat and look like a socially unaware dick, you say yes and change the subject.
Sorry for the essay, I just get twitchy about people acting like all southerners are a monolith. I'm a trans Floridian, if that gives you a clue. 🥴🔫
@@her-em-akhet Well you stay safe my friend.
@SirAntoniousBlock I am trying. [He-man voice] oh my god do I try.
Jokes aside, you too. We're living in interesting times to say the least, here's to smooth sailing for all of us.
@@her-em-akhet American living in Canada here. Thinking of all of you, especially queer southerners, in this most terrible week.
Unsure if I actually have words to describe how this video made me feel other than, “true art disturbs the comforted”.
You are an amazing actress, writer, editor, and filmmaker. Thank you for this.
I don't normally comment on things but I'm doing so now purely to drive engagement because this video is incredibly well done and deserves to be shared
My grandmother has dementia and one of her go back topics when we watch the news is bringing back executions for those who deserve it. I always engage but keep my comments vague as it’s an uncomfortable topic. It always leaves me asking so many questions about the history of it and the religious implication. Watching this has answered so much! I don’t think I’ll share it with my Gran as it may be a bit much for her but it may help me navigate the next conversation! Thank you xxx
Wow, this was incredible
Wow another favorite youtuber of mine!!
Jenny Draper should be given the job of creating the programme of history education for the whole nation's schools. She's an absolute fucking genius.
That would be a great job title, "absolute fucking genius".
Well, considering her focus on London, maybe it should be limited to schools in the city
I totally agree but, language please! 😉
Jenny is awesome but I see a lot of young people assume creators are the very best at their profession. Jenny is a phenomenal cultural interpreter (that’s what this is, it usually is taught out of Museum Studies & elite tour guide training), but there are hundreds of equally creative cultural interpreters all over & they do incredible work in YOUR town (ok not every town but still…). Think of Jenny as a great example of an incredible profession. Your compliment hurt my heart a little, as so many people offer programs like this, but many of you little shits only will watch on screen. You’re the ones keeping yourselves from fantastic, live programs that are usually cheap or free. It’s incredibly frustrating that so many people prefer parasocial crushes & will really try to ruin whole professions because they think their favorite creator is the best ever and all other hard working professionals are garbage because they aren’t on YT! I don’t even know if Jenny still guides, which is not a bad thing, but it’s heart breaking that people don’t get excited about the girls, just one lady because non-famous people are just garbage I guess.
@@Jack-lm8rynope the internet has spoken, she’s superior to all other professionals because she’s famous & no one else has value. Live TH-cam and parasocial idiocy. Jenny must be the expert of everything because we like her. You can vote in a positive way, but reject logic so fiercely that you become an agent of destruction in any direction you point yourself.
"Something so big and so dramatic that you cannot go about your day as usual while it's happening... the authorities are creating a spectacle on purpose"
This applies not just to punishments, but to many 'ceremonies of state'. Britain has seen a lot of this recently: The Queen's Funeral, Charles's Coronation, Thatcher's Funeral, even Britain's increasingly extensive remembrance events
This is sort of the opposite of protest, a disruptive event that the State creates, to shore up the status quo.
“The opposite of a protest” you’ve hit the nail on the head.
I love the anachronistic can of monster energy
I am at a loss for words at how beautifully made this video was, and how masterfully you led us through the horror of the execution to the empathy for those directly involved. You evoke a certain vitality and humanity in the historical subjects that you cover that never fails to impress me and challenge my perception of the experience of human history.
Thank you for your hard work and for sharing it with all of us. Now, I’m off to consider the homework question!
i can't remember who the quote is attributed to, and with all fear of reducing it to such simplicity, but i always thought it was best with; "if executions worked, there'd be no crime."
I'm against executions BUT: that is a bad argument.
Total annihilation of crime as a benchmark to judge something "works" is unreasonable.
The question should be: does it work better than the other options, or do the pro's outweigh the cons, is it the right thing to do..
I hope we will get better at handling crime as we are now..but i doubt we will ever eliminate crime
If executions didn’t work, there’d be no dictators.
@@saraa.4295I guess a more realistic way of wording the same argument would be "if executions worked, there would be less crime in places where the death penalty exists than places without the death penalty"? But at least studies in North America have shown that that's not the case (in fact, I'm pretty sure crime rates in states without the death penalty are lower - not saying that the absence of the death penalty CAUSES less crime, there are probably many factors contributing to that, but still, it doesn't seem to deter people from commiting crimes).
@omolisa3783 that's the problem i guess...more accurate always means less catchy!
But you are right, the absence of the death penalty in itself probably does not lower crime, but states with a more humane attitude have abolished the death penalty and built a stronger safety net which probably helps with crime...
Maybe it's even causal in a different way, that less crime leads to more humane attitudes...
@@saraa.4295 So true about the catchiness! But yeah, I'm obviously also against the death penalty, even if it did scare people into not commiting as many crimes. But it doesn't even do that, so yeah xD
I'm just here for the subtitles [music goes bwaaaaa]
@@thomaslienert4225 I am hard of hearing and always have the captions on. I too, loved the bwaaaa. 💕
If you find yourself tempted to judge historic people by today's norms & values ... then watch this again ... the past realy was a 'different country'.
What a fabulous exploration & tagible example of how different society's norms & values were in centuries past ... truely enlightening, yes truely.
So good I had to watch it twice..
Amazeballs levels of creativity on show here. Unmatched skill in making history comprehendible and relatable to our modern perspective.
Love your work, masterful.
Your friend is an insanely good composer. That opening song gave me chills.
This is fascinating and really got me thinking. But as a visual artist myself, I must commend you on your truly excellent tableaus and metaphoric “wounds”. Really beautifully done!
You consistently put out the most well-thought and well-researched videos on TH-cam.
I never considered before that public executions were a way of ensuring news spread at a time before news media. When the lower classes could read about the execution in the tabloids they no longer had to be good gossip.
Outside of the control factor that comes with executions, the idea of "inward and outward pain" and flagellation in my mind resembles early mental health "care" with asylums. "If we can't fix them, we'll keep them away from society". Not to mention the torture that happened in those places as a form of treatment. Could just be drawing on coincidences but if the mind and soul are interpreted as the same, it seems reasonable that it was an evolution of the concept of execution, framed in a much nicer way of helping behind closed doors.
Excellent video as always, this one really got me thinking
The quality of this video is incredible. You’ve clearly spent an enormous amount of time doing this video; your efforts were well invested because you’ve produced one of the best TH-cam videos I’ve ever seen. Indeed, calling it a TH-cam video seems almost unkind because it is as stimulating as a well planned university seminar.
I remember reading those passages from Aquinas in a philosophy of law class I took during law school and it really brought back some interesting memories.
Given the title I was dubious about even watching this, when normally I always click your stuff.
Me too! I'm here reading the comments to see whether I can bear to watch!
you're not alone. Glad I watched it, though.
I was a bit dubious but the Mighty Algorithm kept on telling me I had to watch. I'm not sorry I did, this was a brilliant presentation and extremely thought provoking.
This video is a work of art. Deeply disturbing, yet absolutely astonishing art.
One of my favourite video essay genres: Dramatically Flouncing About in a Long White Dress in Historic-y Place
I feel this is what TH-cam should be about. Thoughtful content that I’d never find on TV
Grim, but fascinating topic, really well presented. Love the Artemesia Gentileschi cosplay. Major Thomas Harrison, who Pepys described as 'looking cheerful' was said to have punched the hangman as he was getting disembowelled by a different witness to the execution, so maybe not everybody went completely willingly to their deaths.
One Bible quote that medieval Christians might have thought permitted execution might be "Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's and unto God the thing's that are God's." I.e. that Christians have a responsibility to obey the Law unless it goes against God's will, and must accept legal punishments unless they conflict with their religious duties.
Thank you for this brilliant video. You've upped the production values. Fantastic. My wife's relative was one of the last people in this country to be sentenced to be hung, drawn and quartered. John Frost of Newport, Monmouthshire. A Chartist, involved in the Newport Uprising. Luckily, a young monarch decided that it wouldn't look good, so had John and his two co-defendants transported to Tasmania. Eventually, John received a pardon from Victoria.
Thank you for this video.
I always thought the term "drawn" meant the removal of entrails, not being taken to a place of execution.
minxy. And so it does!
I'd been under the impression that the drawing was part of the quartering, with each limb being tied to a different horse and the horses being sent in different directions to pull the condemned apart.
I really love the inclusion of the box- not bc we’re putting those thoughts away, but bc you were using a Monster energy drink box, and then there’s a bright blue can in the historically themed section next. 😂😂
Brilliant work! The greatest benefit of studying history is often the most difficult to communicate: putting yourself into the context of our forebears' lives while remembering that they were the same creature we are today. You've achieved this task wonderfully.
Also, Monster drinks could really break some ground by sponsoring academic content to run counter to Redbull's extreme sports content.
27:27 god told me to
Powerful and disturbing. You know how to get your message across with great effect. I don’t miss a video from you.
What an intro 😮❤
Amazing!
What an every bloody moment of it!
I'm 3 minutes in, sat down with my peanut butter and jelly sandwich, and I'm questioning my decision to queue up this (very beautifully made) video as my company for lunch
Amazing video! I really appreciate the questions that were raised.
I also wanted to share the comment I sent to my library in requesting they pick up a copy of Mavericks:
I follow Jenny Draper on TH-cam and her historical analysis is always fascinating. I treasure the work she does to lift up stories of those in history who are often overlooked, and the care and compassion she brings to their experiences. I'm very eager to see what she's unearthed for this book.
1:09 Quick! Call an ambulance! She's going to make a podcast episode!!
Was going to reply something funny but then J. Draper’s face jumped out at me and told me the community rules
that was deep, artistic, dark, well research, and thought provoking. Rad as hell.
powerful and thought provoking
Absolute chills. This is ART. Thank you for your work.
i think for the sheer cinematography of just the first 30 seconds itself i have to subscribe. beautiful.
I normally read the comments while half watching any video, but like so many others I absolutely had to give this my undivided attention. Fantastically done, and I wish it could have been even longer!
9.11 is such a blur to me. First plane impact was as we were getting to class. I remember them coming over the PA system telling teachers to turn on the TV. I think we were dismissed early that day
I watched Gunpowder last night and my husband and I discussed this exact topic. Incredible timing and excellent video
Holy hell. That beginning was riveting. And the rest was immensely interesting, as usual.
Wonderful, thought provoking and so well produced. Not helping with my American sense of dread hopelessness, but I'm still glad I watched it. Thank you J. Draper.
The transformation into J Draper: video essayist is something I am loving. This was a fantastic video
1:10 [music goes BWAAA] has got to be the best subrirle i've ever read
I was wondering where my J Draper posts had gone! Good to see you again and wow, what a comeback, indeed! This is one of the best videos I've ever seen. Since I had to make myself stay put for the first part of it, that's saying something! But I scrolled through the comments before I wrote this. Don't get me wrong, they were all on point, as people see what excites them the most. What I did notice, however, was the lack of comments on a point you took great pains to make: the worst public executions were reserved for treason to the government! Things that immediately threatened the public or made the public feel threatened were not reason enough to warrant such vile cruelty unless the government was threatened also! Considering the amount of apathy the Earth's population seems to have for government these days, I'm almost beginning to understand why barbaric governments still make public displays of cruelty, including war, even though I don't believe that cruelty is a good thing. Just so you know, I saw it. Please keep doing videos like this! I hate it, but if it wakes up a population or two to what's going on today, we might actually do something about it!
I love how your videos are becoming more and more artsy while maintaining the historical excellence
This video is fantastic on so many levels. So spectacular and artistic to draw our attention into the topic, with the depth and breadth of an academic literature review, but the accessible language and brevity of a short TV episode. Your honesty and empathy for the audience and your passion for the subject shows through and keeps me engaged throughout, and I'm left leaving the video with a newfound appreciation for the rich history of the topic. Hats off
Never normally comment, but JESUS is this a work of art that deserves to be seen by more people!! Commenting for the algorithm!!!!! ❤❤❤
For the algorithm!!! 🫡
25:59 This ties in very nicely to the modern issue of cruelty in industrial farming. Nordic Animism made a fantastic video about it a while back.
4 mins in and I’m actually crying. Okay I’m catholic and the martyrs are an emotional subject. But my word the staging! Exceptional, exceptional production!
the St. Catherine dress up ws nice.
This in combination with “the false evolution of execution methods” by Jacob Geller is such a fascinating look into history and how people try to justify the death penalty
What an incredible work of art! It was beautiful, it was uncomfortable, it was gory, it was inspired! Absolutely amazing! I loved your explanation of how executions were viewed as a way to atone your sins and not just a punishment. Wonderful video, absolutely stunning.
Amazing introduction Mz Draper! Very effective, very sensitive and your talents are abound. Thank you.
I did watch the attack on the world trade centre on September 11th 2001 - I was 10, it interrupted the after school cartoons; I didn't turn away, I was grieving, I was crying and I understood why there were people choosing to fall. It changed me permanently, so much so I dedicated my life to Disaster preparation, Emergency planning and training responders and managers, I read the 9/11 commission report - "a failure of imagination" indeed. I don't know who or what id be if I hadn't had that experience - but if I could change my experience, I wouldn't have been on my own watching people die live on TV, my mum heard my crying but I wouldn't let her turn it off. if I had stopped, my imagination would have run and imagine, at least i was traumatised by facts.
It’s baffling to be part of a religion where the main guy goes “hey guys, you don’t have to suffer for your sins anymore, i got it covered!”
And everyone in medieval times was like “guys what if we suffer MORE”
As usual, superb in research and presentation. Intelligent and thought provoking and balanced. Already a national treasure in my eyes! Looking forward to the book and any other projects you may have in mind. Thank you.
Love the effort pouring into the video
Canadians in the audience go wild as a last min Mary Mack reference makes an appearance, which, of course, every last one of us knows thanks to the song by Great Big Sea.
Which is the last song? I feel like I know it but I can't put my finger on it.
These videos keep getting better and better. Great work J.
When I first saw this channel i remember saying something like "it's like Philosophy Tube & Kaz Rowe had a baby". I think that baby just graduated.
This was gorgeous, captivating, informative & thought provoking.
Between the time I started watching and the time I finished, admittedly with very long pauses, this became despairingly more timely and appropriate. I regret this.
My sympathies (and concern) from the rest of the world.
Very powerful. I watched it even though it's election day in the US and I'm afraid democracy will completely die here. This weirdly gave me hope that societies change.
The opening is beautiful. Heart breaking and horrifying, but beautiful.
12:59 I was a sophomore in college and yes I think I watched most of the morning in the student center.
I actually didn't learn of 9/11 until I checked email and it was blowing up on a list I was on. Then I turned on the TV. The Challenger disaster was another I didn't learn about until after work.
I'm a bit of a space nerd. I gave birth to twins on 1 Feb 2003. No one told me the Space Shuttle Columbia had disintegrated. I didn't find out for a week. It still makes it feel like a bizarre hoax.
The production value/art of this is just such an incredible example of the outcome of working tenaciously at "your thing". Your videos have always been great, they're just so next level now!!
Great work Jenny. The concept was a bit like that box. It can be looked at and judged from many angles. Very thought provoking.
This is so amazingly filmed, I clicked on this just expecting a video I could listen to in the background while multitasking, but wow this was so good I was interested the whole time. Also, I appreciate the extra effort went to to include subtitles. I'm not a person that especially *needs* them, but they really help make a video more accessible and easier to understand when I am able to read along what is being said.
I was watching a show about the guillotine last night. They almost stopped using it because the crowds were disappointed with how quickly it worked.
This is the first time I've watched any of your videos and it was amazing! Beutyful, insightful, well exposed and entrataining. As someone who loves philosophy explained in art and acting, I'm so glad I've found your chanel!
In the US here - needed this artful distraction this morning thank you…
13:42 Beautiful imagery. You look divine.
The cinematic vibe was serious, i really enjoyed the lighting.
Really left speechless by this one. Will sit with it a while and think some. Thank you.
Jenny! You blew the game out of the water in this video!
That was a very good piece of informative art, I am very impressed on many levels and I think that yoy should be proud of what you have accomplished, you have tie together many strands of human existence into one coherent work that causes one to ponder an extremely deep level. I did not expect to see such profundity when I clicked to view a history discussion that wasnt centered around the writings of the church fathers or something like that. M
Well I definitely wasn't expecting there to be a Warhammer reference in this video.
Fantastic video, the beginning was genuinely unsettling.
the intro and transitions and all of the costuming was SO phenomenal and creative! it really added to the point of the video
Dayum, that opening shot looks like a Pre-Raphaelite painting.
This was so good! You're such an incredibly impressive creator.
Love the homework assignment but I don't have any of the necessary competencies to complete it and I have papers I have to write for school. Also I was one of those kids whose school turned on the 9/11 live coverage. The school secretary went from room to room just walking in and turning on TVs without comment. Absolutely unhinged way to handle it. A friend of mine told me a couple years ago that at her school the secretary called every classroom and privately told the teachers not to turn on the TV under any circumstances.