What was that? (Demon Ne)
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Shoutout for the demon Si: "I'm never going to be able to live my life because I'll have to spend every waking moment cleaning, fixing, sorting, cooking, grooming. But if I don't, I'll never be able to live my life because nobody will want to be anywhere near me! So I'm going to spend all my energy on being aggressively boring forever, and have no choice at all!"
Totally.. I don't know what is worse
really？I don't think Si is even like this
@@milanl4838 well they might not be, as its demon is
Ooof like why do I HAVE TO?!
yeah, also if you don'T do the maintenance, your teeth will fall out, you get sick smh because the house you live in poisons you coz you haven't cleaned it. We share the same burden, greetings from an Si-Savior XD
“Forever fears” is a good phrasing to identify 4th function / intense emotional chaos within.
I’d really like to see more explanation on the “forever fears” of each of the 8 functions.
for sure
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... .... ...just sayin'.
There's a part in Bully where a girl freaks out that she'll never find the cure for cancer because her lab notes got stolen. It's like a parody of Ni lol
im dead lmfao
Yeah, "it's gonna be forever and there's no way out from this" that's how I whenever i bump into a new problem.
That’s the amount of permanent dread I feel when I check out a new homework assignment and realize I don’t know what in the world I’m doing. Suddenly the confusion and suffocating tediousness feels like forever. So I turn around and procrastinate for a few hours, and then it’s midnight and nothing is done. And I MAKE the problem last longer than it would’ve if I’d just dealt with it earlier. ~ENFP
@@sophiaredwood5825 What I do to deal with that is to find the *first visible tangible step* that is small enough that I can literally do it in 10 seconds or less. Then the next and so on.
I write these in a word doc as I go along my workday and block out in yellow the steps I've done.
E.g. Ok first step is to read the problem. Check.
Ok next step is the first 'unknown' in the problem how do I figure out the answer to this 'unknown'?
Check.
Ok now I know how to figure it out let me actually make the call or send the email or find that book or document to get the answer. Or one step closer to the answer.
Check.
And so on.
@@cyberneticbutterfly8506 Ooooo thank you for this!!! It sounds like something that could really help someone like me. I’m gonna try it out 🤩
Shan- you and I are a lot alike as ENTJ and ESFP when it comes to that key example. Se-Te (or Te-Se) is like “just put it into action and stop complaining, then!” A really great example of gamma life in general, actually.
It is funny I just found this as I would say Shan could be in the alternative an ESFP with her "jumper" Te making her Se/Te. I'm an ENFJ personally but in the alternative I would be an ENTP with jumper Fe to second. I have been mistyped as ENTJ A LOT due to being an 8w7
Dave and Shan bring us all the best that gryffindor and ravenclaw have to offer.
But at heart, aren't they Slytherin 😂
@@talorix meh
Man, Dave’s pupils are almost never still
That’s a mood Shan for sure. My anxiety is definitely tied to people and tribe approval. My Ti says I’m not good enough and Se comes in to trigger my overindulgent tendencies. I suppose it’s those feelings I need to track.
People are my forever fear. I'd be perfectly fine in the world without people. Just me in the nature. ISFP
I feel you...
I thought forced and unfamiliar labour was your biggest nightmare? Or is it the aggression from others?
@@broadbandtogod No, we don't mind labor, and we don't mind unfamiliar. What we hate is when PEOPLE (or society) demand us to do work that seems unnecessary or inefficient (when their Te is not perfect) or when we do work and people obstruct, or when the system or people we're forced to work with are not functioning properly in our standards. We hate it because with our Te we can't fix it and can't deal with it.
As for labor, my family moved to a new house and I volunteered to carry everything. I normally take on the harder physical work that gets me busy but requires no talking and makes people leave me alone. I need work to fall on my Se and no people asking questions or trying to tell me how to do stuff or distracting me please.
As for aggressive people, yes that's unforgiveable, and they're people. Emotionally over-expressive people can be generally hard to take.
@@5idi Excellent, thank you so much, I'm still new to the understanding of Fi-Te relation, and this was a good explanation. I live with a hyper ENTJ, so I see the other side of that coin daily, though he has a good Te. Also good analogy with the Se! I need to meditate on the "high enough standard", which I understand is *really* important to you. Ti's mission for truth I get, still working on the Fi's highest value.
As a non-aggressive individual person myself, what is your take on people being obstinate a-holes who will do and kill anyone getting in their way? (High stack Te, (especially with Si))
@@broadbandtogod No, I don't mind labor, it's dealing with assholes and social fakery.
my god, the chainsaw guy :O jesus!
It's just the gardener!
I am grateful to see people who share my fears and my biggest fear is infinity and I remember as a child I used to panic when I got lost in the markets and I used to tell myself that I will never find my mother
Here is the caveat though: even though 4th function causes us fear and anxiety- we are really just volatile/intense with it and don't know how to moderate. We can actually be amazing at our fourth when the time calls for it, but it exhausts us. Demon Ni/Ne people can actually be super adventurous/into the abstract when they want to be but caught off guard, we tend to freak out
Hi guys, now I'm catching up with the new videos haha, your videos clarified a lot of things for me and little by little I'm understanding how everything works, thanks, greetings from a South American ISFJ haha I'm not a nurse... but I'm a teacher, a music teacher haha
I’m so glad I started watching you two again! Last time was about 2 years ago. Now I’ve been watching your videos none stop. you guys are so fascinating and funny I’ve learned so much already thank you so much! Keep it up!
Makes sense. I think I'm IxxP, and indeed my perspective of the tribe seems to be that if I do something wrong, they will banish me from society forever and I'll have to live by myself as a homeless person. And sure enough, by now this isn't too far from the truth, since I still don't have a job and if I weren't living with my parents I would be homeless right now. Therefore my irrational fear now seems justified and rather than engage with the tribe I can feel my irrational side just wanting to prepare for the inevitable homeless life because there's no way the tribe will ever support me and I'd waste my time trying. The sensible thing is to realize that that's irrational and to just keep going and land a job eventually, but I have to constantly ignore my dumb demon Fe fears. I know that person D doesn't know anything about person A, B, and C rejecting me. But it somehow feels like they're all one big corporate blob that has collectively decided to reject me FOREVER.
In my language we have a phrase on someone who is demon NE
We say on such a person that he is "eating movies"
I just realised my childhood fear was "being stuck in space or on an perfectly slippery surface". I strongly suspect I'm an NiFi INTJ....
my childhood fear was being possessed by spirit or having my soul sucked out of my body and becoming a husk.
The “infinity fear”! Yeah! That one I could alleviate by observing Deciders. They really don't fear losing things for eternity! That really helped me! (Not-officially-typed Ni/Te).
3:23 - A Te-user’s laugh when they are not getting to blast out knowledge/reasons. 😂
Maybe it literally is demon Ne, because the sensor character doesn't want to connect the dots and know that a demon is stalking them.
Maybe you are just trivializing it to hide the truth from us all I AM ON TO YOU NWO Illuminati agent.
Edit: This is a joke to the people who don't realize.
"you do gotta do"
-Shan
The world and its environment (things) have a much larger 'presence" than you do- youre just a tiny little pip-squeak human, a waif, walking through the mist of a huge scene of dinosaurs that rule the land for eternity- that boulder, that lake will be here far after youre gone.... youre only here for a certain few years, every step you make echoes throughout the environment- IT is watching YOU. This power differential is experienced almost as a "I can be a victim of this environment around me at any second now, so far I have been spared, but I know it is so much bigger than me, it has all of the control, the environment around you is your ruler". What's chaotic about this natural universe of Si is that it doesnt have to promise you anything nor follow any (physical) promises- it can just as easily decide to open up a chasm in the ground to swallow you up as it can also choose to provide a sunny day- therefore you cant trust it- theres no inherent trust in the Earth and your surroundings. So when something like a camera breaks, you interpret it as the whole Universe is conspiring (evil) against you. This was my experience of Si when it briefly moved into a Savior/first position for 1 day of my life, then that evening it left.
I am an ENFP with a very very good trackrecord of typical enfp tidal waves (yay). Often i get into this chaotic mess of not organizing the information with si (showing up, doing the organizing, beeing consistent, forgetting important stuff) and then beeing overrun by the consequences of that. To even face these consequences and LOOK AT THEM feels like the biggest hurdle emotionally in my life and it makes my si avoidance worse and worse and worse. However a very good friend of mine is an ISFP and he has the same problem but it is more the people who are gonna judge him for missing his appointments and not showing up or whatelse. For me it seems to be way more the actual matter of fact of "loss of opportunity" which i do not want to even consider or let sink in/realize etc etc.
This forever fear you are talking about seems to be exactly what im feeling. "I cant go to the doctor because if he will give me the data of my sickness i will be sick forever". "I cant look up my text messages of missing the appointment because the consequence could be that i will have missed that chance forever" This is highly irrational in some parts but sometimes true which (as described in the video) makes handling this fear even harder. I also fear the judgement of people very very much but i think what differentiates me from an INFP or ISFP is that it is way more oriented on the "thing and the result of the thing and the implication of the foreverness of the thing"-> no more options/freedom/possibilitys then the "people will see me forever like this and i will be pushed out from society and they will hate me forever and i can not for the life of me explain myself etc etc". However having Fi as a second function i relate heavily with both fears but the first seems to be more cruel to me and more problematic. I still worry beeing judged and i still struggle with beeing self confident to go the way is chose for myself because it is so dear to me (Te fear).
This behavior my brain is doing essentially says: As long as i dont look at the facts the facts can be anything and therefore no bad eternal consequences can come from it.
Extreme avoidance.
Very bad 😄
It is ironic for someone who gathers so much but can not bring himself to looook at reality.
or im an INFP and just coping and i do not see myself.
My mom was theoretically an ISTJ SCBP and she would worry that this thumping outside was a sasquatch.
my istj mum has the worst what was that asnwers but the worst of all is that myself an INFJ and my dad who is an ISTP never has the enough Si to convince her that it was not a robber, just our cat. the best we can do is “no way its a robber, it just isn’t. no. stop.”
My ISTP dad used to have a lock on his car that was broken and couldn't lock (the driver's side). And if I remember right, he was pretty blase about it. But, even though it took some time, it did get stolen. 😕
In another odd story, my ISTP and INTP brothers had their place broken into and their things stolen from an outer room while they were home.
Personally, I think this is more about what you are willing to allow/accept if and when it does happen. If you're gonna be like "Well, now I can't go to work. Oh well" then woopdie doo, I guess. But if it will upset you or throw an unwanted wrench in your life, maybe think about it first.
Honestly, many times my Si mom was the one who was prepared for things ahead of time and not getting anxious or upset about events. Just saying.
While I was watching this my bluetooth earphone was telling me "your battery is low, please charge now".
Shan: I've always kicked the ass of the lead Se's coz I'm like, what? Why are you accusing everyone of being a damn cult leader?
Does that also apply with lead Ne's XD
That line really got me. I recently found out a guy I know is lead Se. One night I had a mental breakdown and he said im a "toxic ticking time bomb" and doesn't wanna be around me until I apologize...
"Cult leader" seems to be a Fi thing.
That was an eyeroll moment, she's just flexing.
Omg it’s so true. Mine is people-oriented as well where people will think I’m an asshole forever lol 4th Fe
That’s the main reason I can’t date someone with demon Ni or demon Ne. I am drawn to the unknown but if they are so anxious about then I won’t be able to do what makes me happy. It just doesn’t seem fair.
though demon S is like that as well, no? paranoia is at the outskirts of perception
It’s not so much that demon Ne doesn’t like the unknown. The mysterious is deeply intriguing. It’s if you step into a particular area that is triggering for the person, that’s when they start predicting problems. But part of the joy of introverted perception is prognosticating, imagining how it will go, or what is behind a mystery. Let them play with that and they will dive in with you.
The Slippery Slope. Interesting.
Shan, the Te dom, cussing at everyone
It's amazing how age and experience smooths all these sharp, rough edges and irrational fears... I mean, for those who are actually learning from these, of course.
I told someone at work today that I was amicable. And they laughed in my face! Now, we're going out for drinks next weekend. I hope they find out I'm an expert in amicability.
I wonder if that is why Si lead really dislike when Ne lead bring them a new theory, or a new idea. As soon as Si lead goes into "what if zone" they always end up at the worst possible scenario.
I've had positive experiences in finding some worse scenario when avoiding the worst possible scenario. Let's say your son has the idea to jump off a high place or get drunk for the first time. If you tell him not to, it's only going to be worse. He'll do it when you're not around. Sometimes it's better to just roll along with the seemingly worst scenario.
And another thing for other lead-Sis out there: The best advice I've received in my lifetime was "Whatever is going to happen, it will be alright.". I wish I would have heard this earlier. Takes away a lot of stress if you live by this sentence from time to time.
it reminds me of Ann Reardon's channel "how to cook that", she has a series of video named "debunking video" she seams like having demon "Ne" , so she take the responsability to explicitly explain some fake cooking video
Totally off topic but I finally found who is Dave reminding me of! It’s Todd Talbot!! They look so much alike 😅
Ni/Ti my biggest fear/trigger is being trapped/tricked as well
What r their types i m guessing enfp for the woman and the guy is an intp
I sent this to a friend I suspect is lead Si and I did not think there'd be so many follow up questions 😭 it was literally a "what was that" convo. 🙌🏽
Lol my partner is an intj and he is so much like Dave at around the 2min mark. Its like, dude, what? Relax! Aaannd a bit off topic but running off of things talked about,
he also has trouble connecting what noises are, whereas Im able to connect the dots almost instantly, knowing what the noise was and where it came from, and theres no drama about it (im either intp or infp)... I know im not who theyre talking about, i just wanted to brag about that 😉🤷♀️ lol - Also, if my intj partner hears or smells something, even in the middle of the night, he doesn't care and will ignore it, whereas Im the one to go calmly investigate to be sure theres no flooding or fire hazard etc. He can be very clueless with things like that 😒 and it baffles me how he can be so dramatic over shit that doesn't matter (like the 2min mark) but then apathetic towards practical "what ifs" 🤨
whats it called if youre terrified of being trapped? what demon does that point to
could be ExxP
Just a thought, I somehow feel as an Ni/Fi that switching to the "double observer game" of say "do the journal/diary thing' robs me off my observer qualities. You see the problem is when changing to the double observer mode, I 'feel' like I also turned into a "single decider" w/c then makes me feel unable to 'double decide' - w/c then runs counter to my 'religious/spiritual' leanings. What i do notice as an single observer is that the feeling of being in a single decider 'mode' is inconsistent with "the-will-of-God-theology" because deciders tend to put the idea of 'destiny' into their hands . I find that the single decider mindset removes 'God' out of the picture of how things and ideas revolve in our lives whereas a single observer, specifically Ni, allows me to see my Fi-Te or Ti-Fe "humanity" to be subservient to the world of ideas - by ideas i don't mean 'intuitive connections" but ideas in the Platonian sense. Anyway, enough with this blasting. Peace. Thanks!
i need some help understanding why the "forever fear" relates to demon Ne.... is it because Ne would naturally give new possibilities and new options, but having Ne as a demon means you are "stuck" in something "forever" without being able to see the other ways out?
@@SailorSiFi ah. that makes sense. what would it mean (in terms of cognitive functions) if you generate multiple worst-case scenarios and the fear comes from thinking of all of them at once / cycling through them?
I personally see it more as almost a skepticism, or simply that their “guessing” is bad. Having demon Ne means you use Si pretty significantly. Si is all about known things, hence the “what was that?!” Comment in the video. A low Ne user will start guessing what it is, and likely jump to a conclusion, because non Si input is startling to the system. They don’t want to stay in the undetermined limbo stage in regards to info/sensory stuff (Ne is all about options and acknowledging the different possibilities), they want a singular answer, because unknown, unfamiliar, or unverified is uncomfortable to them. So, they jump to one solution and stick with it until proven wrong.
@@quincyfreeman2901 "they want a singular answer, because unknown, unfamiliar, or unverified is uncomfortable to them."
Yes, at least I agree with that.
"So, they jump to one solution and stick with it until proven wrong."
No. If I have an answer that I believe and I don't see the point in questioning it, yeah, I keep it until it's proven wrong. That's literally what a sane person does. But if I don't have an answer, I leave it and get to something I do think is fruitful.
@@quincyfreeman2901 Imo, Si is more about letting things figure themselves out over time when it comes to wondering about things. And TeNe is trouble-shooting.
@@aprilhelm518 my assumption in the “jumping to a conclusion” and trying to figure something out is not looking at Si alone, but to show a limitation of Si where it is forced to use an extroverted information related tool in a pinch, such as the scenarios described in the video. In this kind of scenario, having an answer is deemed far more favorable or even necessary. When it isn’t something that seems immediately relevant or important for whatever reason, then yes, letting it figure it self out is favorable. What I was describing is not trouble shooting at all.
As for sticking with a solution, yes, a sane person would stick with a well vetted solution. The scenarios I was speaking of and the video presented had to do with short, quick, almost gut reaction stuff that hadn’t been vetted since those are the situations that tend to display saviors and demons best.
That said, my point is that with new things especially, Si tends to not rely on thorough Se or Ne to make its way to a “solution” for it to stick with, unless it has plenty of time and purposely prioritizes that process. The danger is that once one with high Si feels confident in the answer, whether vetted or not, they tend to stick with it until forced to see differently, or if they choose to seek and soak in external info through Se or Ne.
For examples sake, It’s similar to the difference between a healthy INTP who utilizes Ne and some Fe and is fully open to new ideas and being proven wrong, vs. an unhealthy INTP using Ti-Si way too heavily, who is no longer willing to see and accept new/outside info, because their conclusion CERTAINLY can’t be better.
My MIL is isfj (si-ti) and she freaks out on anything. One day a butterfly entered the house and she said it was a sign that someone was going to die. 💀We all bursted laughing 😂
Wait, how is an Introverted Sensing dominant has that kind of belief? I know everyone can believe in something, but this is kinda weird. Maybe it's the Ti.
@@thefearlessone2649 my mother actually Demon Ne, What is that thing until She Inspects And See self
Jesus!
@@SailorSiFi ;)
Yayyy! I'm here early! 💃🏽💃🏽
Hii 👋🏾
*woo*
I need a whole video of shans facial expressions around 2 minutes to play while I talk about my forever fears to be reminded they are probably irrational 😂
I've started a running list of noises my Si savior friend was afraid of and thought to be some unknown menacing threat. What the noises actually turned out to be:
* pebbles and clumps of dirt tumbling down a cliff
* crickets/cicadas
* a mouse chewing on something
* deer
* raccoons
* the wind
* his own stomach growling
* a female human saying "hello"
Probably others I can't recall now. I've started verbalizing this list every time he freaks out to remind him the likelihood is very low that it's a mountain lion, robber, or serial killer.
From 5:21 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Afraid of seeing the possibility, so it is stuck with one bad thing that could happen and that's it
Double observe here, I loss stuff ALL the time most of the time I have will missing at least one item. I just don't care, it'll show up eventual
Now imagine freaking out about people