Correction: Ineos deliberately doesn't call it a snorkel as it doesn't provide ANY additional water wading benefits. It's a raised air intake which is supposed to help take in cleaner air being up high above dust. The wading depth is exactly the same whether you get the raised air intake or not.
yep. i can't remember the exact details but i saw a bnew price of a Landcruiser in the 60s in Aus then applied inflation over the decades. the cruiser's cost came out at the 60k+ mark in todays money.
I'm happy vehicles like this are out there, but yes prices have jumped the shark. It's a gentrified market. Loving the $28k Bronco I got before the price increases.
@10:47... I think the problem was that Roman was trying to turn. Pretty sure you have to drive straight to lock the lockers on almost any 4x4 with a front locker. If the front wheels are turning at different speeds, it's not going to lock.
Turning the wheel and thereby making the wheels spin at different speeds will always prevent the diffs from locking. I order to lock together 2 independent spinning things they need to be spinning at the same speed! 🤦♂
As a Norwegian, I would like to say that you have a long way to go on the driving technique on snow. You should look up some Nordic overlanding TH-camrs on that.
They are excellent at off roading. They make certain videos a certain way to relate to an average joe with just the basic knowledge so as not to come off as a know it all schmuck
Roman, dude. You don’t turn your wheel to lock the diffs. You also have to be rolling to get any mechanical device to match the gears up and lock. User error 100% with the locking of the diffs. Unlocking doesn’t matter so much, but the sensors and computer were the reason the unlocking was “delayed.” You were probably unlocked immediately but the sensors needed to register that rotational speed change. Slow down a bit and think about it before you say “it’s disconcerting.”
You could disengage “lock” on the transfer case lever, i.e. move the lever out of High-Lock or out of Low-Lock, this will disengage all lockers at once.
Congratulations on all the content you guys supply which brightens UK dull winter days considerably. I enjoy the landscapes too. Totally get the point of comparisons and some of your observations but the Grenadier was not designed to be the ultimate 4WD but designed for endurance and reliability ( please keep it for a long time ! ) and is a work truck for commercial operators primarily in whatever area they operate. It needs a 4WD capability but is not designed to be the ultimate off roader. Maintenance, reliability of all drive line components and back up is where you guys can really help. Try and break it in normal hard work!! The mechanical lockers( like the centre diff in previous Defenders) will hang on until they detect all grip is restored. They are again designed to operate in that manner so that torque wind up does no damage on a sudden disengagement. They may not operate in a manner that is as good as some competitors but what is the durability? Si.
Watch the instruction videos and see that the diff locking button requires it be pushed once and then a second time to confirm the choice. A safety feature it seems.
@@billw8476it’s ok, but you’re wrong. Airing down softens the ride & increases the contact patch on muddy/snowy surfaces. There are a lot of instances they find themselves in situations that more than likely would have been avoided by dropping the tire pressure & allowing the tire to flex.
@@diSSent29and I've noticed that when TFL says they're "aired down" a lot of the time they'll be "aired down" to like... 25 psi. Meanwhile, my JLU on 35s runs 28 psi on the street. 25 psi is what it'll be on a cool morning. To really be "aired down" they should be more in the 15-20 psi category.
Anyone else appreciate that they explained why you need to drive around to show the differentials are disengaged? So many modern manuals explaine nothing, hearing that it goes into the systems involved is very refreshing.
Hello 👋 Guys, I would really like to see a comparison between similar price point vehicles. Say... Lexus GX 550 Over trail + vs the Ineos Grenadier. A discussion on: Pricing, Fuel type 87 or 93, real world mpgs, towing capabilities, off road capabilities, etc! No one has really done that comparison on TH-cam yet! Thanks -Shane
Everything except breaking down due to transmission or valvetrain issues 😂 The only problem the Ineos will have is oil leaks or cracked plastics, but you can still drive it while it has these problems, at least.
I’ve had my Grenadier for just over a week. Traded in my 4Runner. It is truly amazing and these guys are extremely frustrating to watch. Read the f*ing manual!! I did and did some quick experiments and had everything locked up no problem on day 2 of ownership. I put over 2k miles on it so far and spent 5 hours off road this past Saturday at Merus Adventure park in Texas. I was locking and unlocking all day - zero problems. This vehicle is a dream come true for me. And agree with other commenters: I hope it inspires other manufacturers to make serious 4x4’s.
Can you explain to me what makes this more "serious" than a GX550/Bronco/Wrangler/Colorado ZR2/etc? This thing doesnt seem like it is all that capable in stock form. They touted its solid front axle through the entire video but then when it went up the razor rocks the front tire was floating in the air and it seemed like it maybe had 8" of wheel travel. Normal 4Runner travel. Seems like the GX550 with eKDSS and rear locker will do anything this will do and will be supported by a gigantic OEM.
Solid front and rear axles. Mechanical 2-speed transfer case. 3 locking differentials. Permanent 4 wheel drive. I took my Grenadier over much more challenging obstacles than demonstrated in this video. It handled everything. These guys didn’t even air down. I’m not saying those other vehicles aren’t capable - they are. I just think they’re all compromised in different areas. Everything is a tradeoff and the Grenadier is the perfect balance - for me - it’s the perfect over-landing vehicle and you can order it with a winch from the factory. To each his own, for sure. It’s not for everybody and it is expensive. But worth every penny - to me.
@@steveberry4527But the solid front axle doesnt seem to do much. The travel in this video is pretty meh and the RTI numbers I have seen for the Grenadier are no better than a 5th gen 4Runner. It needs the lockers because when it lifts a tire the traction control system is pretty poor from what I have seen. ATRAC is far better. Most of the trucks I listed also have full-time 4wd and 3 of the 4 have front and rear lockers. Seems like a serious roll of the dice to go with a truck from a random company and risk them not being around in a year.
I think it would be interesting to see a comparison of locking speed on rollers with different 4WDs. I suspect the ford is simply indicating it’s locked before it’s actually locked. 4 wheels on rollers would be a good comparison test and eliminate uneven terrain variables.
It seemed like you held in the differential lock button much longer than one second. Is it possible that you activated a diagnostic or, at least, different mode by pushing and holding longer than one second?
My biggest hope for this vehicle is that it encourages its competitors to produce their classic body style again in a new technology package. Cars have gotten so ugly in the last few decades.
@@CJ-rk5eg I'm always surprised that people think they should be able to figure out a completely new vehicle without reading the manual, as if that's some hallmark of good design. Good design only takes you so far, it's the job of the customer to learn about the product before and after the purchase.
That's not correct. You just press for 1 second to activate. You are getting mixed up with the off road and wading buttons where a second press is necessary to confirm the requirement.
@@mistrrhappyBeing simple to understand and use is a hallmark of good design, other manufacturers manage to make it far simpler and quicker for the diff locks to lock and unlock.
@@mistrrhappyI agree! I was about to snap at the end of the video watching him fumble around with the buttons and then he finally said…maybe we should take a look at the manual
When you say "a lot of people" are trading Broncos for Grenadiers, keep in mind that Ineos has only delivered 1,000 Grenadiers in the entire US. "A lot" is relative considering 300,000 or so Broncos that have been sold in America. Your dealer has sold what, 15 or 20 Grenadiers?
Land Rover sh*t the bed with their new Defender (rated the least reliable vehicle on the planet). The previous Defender was a legendary off-road machine. So much so, the CEO of Ineos went to Jaguar/Land Rover and offered to buy the tooling to continue making it. They refused. So, being a multi-billionaire, he made one of his own...the Grenadier, named after the pub where he thought of it. It's what the new Land Rover Defender SHOULD have been. The only thing wrong with the Grenadier is the glaring lack of a manual transmission.
Watching the diff locking sequence was painful. These guys are clueless or don't bother to read. Usually (especially with new cars) you need to crawl a bit forward and turn the steering wheel a bit to align the gears in the lockers and then they click in. And you have to make sure they are engaged one by one. It's not that hard. In the first few drives this is a bit finicky but after a few uses this will get easier as the gears adjust. It seems modern cars where you just press a button and they do everything for you have spoiled drivers.
Base Rubicon Wrangler may be cheaper but a fully kitted out Rubicon (non-392) will also have triple locked diffs, plus a disconnecting sway bar, leather seats, heated seats, remote start, blind spot sensors, steel bumpers, a winch, etc, etc, and be about the same price point. You get way more bang for your buck, and can be ordered in any city in America and will maybe take two months to come in. With this one, you're paying for _exclusivity._ It's a cool ride, but I'd much rather have all the extras for the same price point. Or a basic ride for $15-20k less.
IdK about durability using a BMW powertrain…. I’ve never seen any BMW pass 70k miles without MAYOR REPAIRS or someone just doing a engine swap or something like that 😅 If they make the same body over a taller suspenssion 35” tires and a Toyota 1VDDTT v8 (the diesel Land Cruiser 200 powertrain can be factory fitted with triple lockers too… and it’s DEAD RELIABLE and pretty much powerfull (not even counting the aftermarket potential) than that BMW disposable powertrain 😅
@jorgeluisburgoacosio9998 I wouldn't waste my breathe replying to someone that comments with ignorance lol. Yeah I abuse my jeep but it still has the original drive train. I bounce and spin the tires like no tomorrow over rocks. And all the doubt in the world, it has 200k lol. My friends all bought new trucks in 2013-2015, my 08 sahara they trashed talk so bad back then is now really well respected. It's honestly one of the hardest flexes throughout the years.
Yeah, price is the biggest issue with the Grenadier. Well that and lack of support and parts which is kinda crucial for an offroader. When people say, “yeah it’s 80K but Wranglers are getting up there now,” it’s not an apple to apples comparo. The Jeep at that price will have every bell and whistle. Hell I’ve seen some 392s mid-80s. The winch is a perfect example of the Grenadier’s problem- because of the design of the bumper there is only one winch that fits, and you have to buy it from Grenadier from the factory. And it’s a $5,000 option. 🤷♂️🤦♂️ and the base Grenadier has no locking diffs at all- for $70K! To get a properly offroad built one is mid 80s. They screwed the pooch with the pricing. I’ll keep my built Gladiator thanks.
@@dadventuretv2538 yeah the base Grenadier is certainly comparable to the Sport S by way of features without nearly as much aftermarket support. And if you spec a Sport S with a hard top, tow package and auto transmission, you're looking at about $48k. About $25k less than the Grenadier, with way more aftermarket support. To each his own, tho. I would never bash somebody for buying one, do what makes you happy (just don't squat it), but again, you're paying for exclusivity. Whether that's worth $20k-$30k more is up to you.
Maybe the front didn’t lock and was saying check lock conditions because you were in a hard turn instead of having the vehicle pointed straight? Seemed as though once you straightened the front end out it allowed the locking of the front.
Did they happen to install the front and back diff lock switches backwards? The label on to top of the switch says one thing, but the glyphs printed on the switch say another. I'm assuming the "x" in the position means "locked".
The glyphs show where the steer axle is. I think it’s just confusing cause it’s on the panel above your head. If seated in the drivers seat then the steer axle on the picture is facing the front of the car and is correct.
It is Raised Air Intake...not snorkel; the lockers engage it just takes a bit for the wheel speed sensors to validate..that is why the indicators blink longer sometimes...but you do need to go in specific order to engage...always best to select LOW, lock center diff and select rear locker first and then front locker if needed well before you get into the obstacles. Never understood people waiting until they get stuck to go into LOW or locking diffs.
Re:diff lock. Seems it might be easier if you had any experience. Am I correct that engaging the diff lock requires rolling forward for the center before attempting the rear? Your first time experience might be one of learning rather than SOP?
The center diff lock will disengage if you turn the wheel too sharp. It’s saving itself and the rest of the drivetrain by switching to awd mode. But also, in awd mode I doubt you can lock the front since it says the center needs to be locked
Who else thinks that this rig will soon be heading back to the dealer for repairs? Expensive to buy, expensive to keep on the road. This review reaffirms my decision to hang onto my 2012 FJ Cruiser for as long as possible.
Is that "Magna" gearing better than a regular BMW 4WD system? Simple buttons to push instead of that transfer case lever? That BMW shifter next to a transfer case lever seems really weird...
So knowing that the new Tacoma broke going up a little hump and the Grenadier has a solid front axle and two tooters, any guess which one will last longer and sells more in the future.?
This! All everyone talks about is how it has a solid axle but then it has no more flex than any 4Runner out there for half the price. I'd be surprised if it had more than 8" of wheel travel. Its claimed to have a 584 RTI which is what a 4Runner TRD offroad or Lexus GX460 could do with KDSS. A 200 series Land Cruiser could do 660 or something like that.
I remember in my old 80 series landcruiser that the front and rear diff locks would take some time to engage/disengage. Not THAT long however, usually just 10-15 seconds maybe. I found that it helped if I was rolling slightly when attempting, Also, I'm wondering if Ineos requires the rear to be locked prior to the front being locked - thoughts?
Lockers work like in a G-wagon from about the year 2000. Sometimes it takes them a while to lock and unlock but you will get used to it and it will not bother you soon.
A lot of Bronco owners are trading in to buy Grenadiers. Of course they are, because they are must have the newest coolest thing crowd. Malls everywhere get ready. They should measure the boot in Nordstrom bags. I hope I actually see some on the trails.
Do you have a channel that reviews the maintenance requirements on the long term test? What's the cost of ownership really? Are they easy to dyi, or do you need dealer tools.
It's nice to see an old school new vehicle with serious off road capability. It's not the best, but it's a good start if it proves to be reliable. My only negative is you can build a very capable jeep for 80k so not sure it's a "needed" vehicle. Different and fun is cool though if you have the bucks.
That’s the second video I’ve seen on the grenadier different vehicle and they have problems locking the differentials front and rear. There may be a problem in the system.
The heavy steering and lack of self centering is down to the steering damper, aftermarket options are available to improve it. Would make an interesting video if you compare original, no steering damper and then aftermarket.
Agreed ,dropping them down to even 30 PSI would make an absolute world of difference, a coworker of mine put a set of KO2's on his Jeep JK in November 2023 here in the centre of Canada and loves them, and the sidewalls are very stiff, he was running the seller recommended pressure of 45 PSI and dropped it down to 36 PSI and said what a world of difference it made in ride quality and almost no change in fuel economy, 👍
Yup...after people pee on the seats or spilled milk or soda. How wonderful it is to smell urine in the morning while driving in your heated seats. My wife found out when I rented a vehicle with heated seats. The moment she was smiling about the heated seats. Then whammm....the urine smell hit them.
@@2nickles647 Right, because the smell would have been better while frozen, by pee, to the seats? Not sure why anyone would pee in their seat with the great outdoors just inches away.
I’ve thought these were super cool since I learned about them but wow that seemed so unintuitive when locking up. The Bronco is stupid fast to activate everything and the fact you can lock the front alone is awesome. I had a chance to drive them early on at the TX Off Roadeo before they were sold and tried out the front diff only on off camber muddy hills to have it claw up on a turn. It felt great!
Hi guys! In the past few videos where you’ve shown the vehicle’s info screen it appears that you’re off-roading on tires that are aired up to street pressure. May I ask if you do air down your tires? And, if not, why not? Thanks and ride on.
A lot of folk might agree with you that it is user knowledge issues. But you know what, I am not 1 of them. Kase is no slouch on this stuff. You have/had the manual there. Reading what it said to do and it still didn't work effectively. Eventually does not cut it. And from previous videos of how this thing operates on road(steering)I can tell I am not missing anything there. I would say an LRD would be preferable. Even with air bags and potential repairs and high maintenance. At least you know that thing is doing what you tell it to do. AND it has a much friendlier on road presence.(steering) And I totally agree with you about the Bronco being a better choice for that kind of terrain. The IG is cool by design. Semi practical by space. Sort of capable when things are working as advertised. As a tractor rig, it is ok. But at 80K, you are spending a lot for something that less expensive rigs can do better.
Being able to engage the front locker on the Bronco mid climb is pretty nice, like when I got stuck only trying to left foot brake off road. I don't think learning the Ineos locking process will ever beat the Bronco.
I wish TFL was able to hang onto the grenadier a little longer - to compare to ranger raptor and the cyber truck to see how differently they handle being off road but I also find it interesting how vehicles come and go and the decisions made on which ones when and the whys
Interesting concept with the squared-off body, high--visibility and the offset rear doors. I haven't seen that since my 1st gen Isuzu Trooper. While I don't have twin locking axles, it was also less than $5k in great condition. Not saying that I could hang with the $80k vehicle, but I sure get done what I need to.
The 1060s was the last time I drove one but this seems to be roomier than a Land Rover, and you seem to have gobs of headroom. And, thank goodness it doesn't have a modern Land Rover engine and Lucas electronics.
it locks but does not report till it senses using the speed sensors on the wheels (if its in a slight turn or more it will sence quicker- same for unlocking) it is not clear
funny magna also makes the transfer case for the wrangler as a tier-1, also magna assembles the gwagen. Wonder how much cross over there is between some of these programs. Probably a lot!
Correction: Ineos deliberately doesn't call it a snorkel as it doesn't provide ANY additional water wading benefits. It's a raised air intake which is supposed to help take in cleaner air being up high above dust. The wading depth is exactly the same whether you get the raised air intake or not.
Except RAIs Don’t get any cleaner air - it’s a myth. Dust goes up at least 4m so it’s no cleaner at RAI level at all.
Would there be a way to increase this on a grenadier? Ignoring tires and lifts of course
Extremely stupid design.
@@SuperTeleMurgiaif you've been working around mining site, this isn't stpd at all
New vehicles have become so expensive that these videos are almost obsolete to me anymore. But I still love you guys!
Agreed, this vehicle looks great but $100k for a fun weekend camping truck is pure fantasy for 99% of TFL off-road viewers.
@brewsnoop mmmm maybe 80 percent.
yep. i can't remember the exact details but i saw a bnew price of a Landcruiser in the 60s in Aus then applied inflation over the decades. the cruiser's cost came out at the 60k+ mark in todays money.
Yeah it's a nice truck and all but get it down to about the $50k mark and that makes it accessible to many more people.
I'm happy vehicles like this are out there, but yes prices have jumped the shark. It's a gentrified market. Loving the $28k Bronco I got before the price increases.
@10:47... I think the problem was that Roman was trying to turn. Pretty sure you have to drive straight to lock the lockers on almost any 4x4 with a front locker. If the front wheels are turning at different speeds, it's not going to lock.
Amazing after all their reviews, they look still like noobs using a PROPER dif!
Even my Jimny has to roll straight to lock the wheels 😂
I needs to be in low in order to use the front and rear lockers
Cranking the wheel while trying to lock the diffs is probably the issue.
Roman does not like waiting .
I believe he was doing that to see if that helped it unlock. Seems like they rushed that portion of the vehicle before proving it out.😊
i'd never be locking diffs with the wheels cranked far. always as close to center as possible.
Turning the wheel and thereby making the wheels spin at different speeds will always prevent the diffs from locking.
I order to lock together 2 independent spinning things they need to be spinning at the same speed! 🤦♂
Thank you! Exactly..Roman drives me nuts
Can't wait to buy one of these... used 10 years from now.
Even then it's going to be expensive, requiring whole bunch of maintenance to be done ASAP.
A ten year old BMW engine tho
15 years for me, If they're still around, that'll be the ultimate test!
@@joseeduardo4327 Will be replaced with LS first thing.
I have a feeling it’s going to be a pile of crap by then
As a Norwegian, I would like to say that you have a long way to go on the driving technique on snow. You should look up some Nordic overlanding TH-camrs on that.
In general, they are mediocre at driving off road.
They are excellent at off roading. They make certain videos a certain way to relate to an average joe with just the basic knowledge so as not to come off as a know it all schmuck
Its yours to do as you please, but i wouldn't lift it way up and put giant tires on it. The beauty of this rig is its classic old school safari sryle.
It looks like the classic Land Rover that would be illegal to build today.
@rondavis3232 I think you hit the nail on the head.
I agree!
Ibach already has a 30mm (little over 1 inch) lift for the grenadier, with it fitted, you can put up to a 34 inch tire under it, which imo looks great
Locks rear diff, then turns a tight circle, lmao
I just learn it's better to keep my AMG G-wagen few more years..
I’ve seen Roman triple lock a vehicle going downhill. Amazes me after years of experience he doesn’t know how/when to use the tools at his disposal.
These guys are comically clueless given how much exposure they’ve enjoyed to off roading.
He’s a bit slow.
@@jabroni6199sometimes you should. Sometimes.
Roman, dude. You don’t turn your wheel to lock the diffs. You also have to be rolling to get any mechanical device to match the gears up and lock. User error 100% with the locking of the diffs.
Unlocking doesn’t matter so much, but the sensors and computer were the reason the unlocking was “delayed.” You were probably unlocked immediately but the sensors needed to register that rotational speed change.
Slow down a bit and think about it before you say “it’s disconcerting.”
Since it looks like a cockpit, you might as well have a laminated checklist for putting it into 4 low and locked
I was thinking of that or step by step placards/laminates on the overhead panels.
That would be cool
This person should get a job at Ineos
😂
Even Harry’s Garage couldn’t figure out how to lock the diffs (he didn’t put it in low)
You could disengage “lock” on the transfer case lever, i.e. move the lever out of High-Lock or out of Low-Lock, this will disengage all lockers at once.
Congratulations on all the content you guys supply which brightens UK dull winter days considerably. I enjoy the landscapes too. Totally get the point of comparisons and some of your observations but the Grenadier was not designed to be the ultimate 4WD but designed for endurance and reliability ( please keep it for a long time ! ) and is a work truck for commercial operators primarily in whatever area they operate. It needs a 4WD capability but is not designed to be the ultimate off roader. Maintenance, reliability of all drive line components and back up is where you guys can really help. Try and break it in normal hard work!! The mechanical lockers( like the centre diff in previous Defenders) will hang on until they detect all grip is restored. They are again designed to operate in that manner so that torque wind up does no damage on a sudden disengagement. They may not operate in a manner that is as good as some competitors but what is the durability? Si.
Don’t blame the car for not knowing how to lock and unlock the differentials! You didn’t watch any official videos or even read the manual beforehand.
Nice videos, but Roman mails it in allot, he does not do his homework ….. lol
They can start with not turning so much when trying to put on the front locker........
You should be driving straight.
God forbid you read the owners manual first. Otherwise your as bad as a mall crawler
thats far from the upcomming issues everything under the hood is thin wires and plastic hard lines.
Watch the instruction videos and see that the diff locking button requires it be pushed once and then a second time to confirm the choice. A safety feature it seems.
Key is to slowly crawl forward. At your first attempts you were making a curve, Diffs don't like that when engaging!
My local Nissan dealership recently became an authorized dealership for the Grenadier. They just stacked their backlot with roughly 75 of them.
They must be making space for about 60 Broncos then.
There must be way more lawyers and doctors than I think there are.
Nice and all but you guys keep forgetting to air down to get more contact patch. Off roading does require airing down tires when necessary.
airing down is not required on a light offroading trail such as this.
@@billw8476it’s ok, but you’re wrong. Airing down softens the ride & increases the contact patch on muddy/snowy surfaces. There are a lot of instances they find themselves in situations that more than likely would have been avoided by dropping the tire pressure & allowing the tire to flex.
@@diSSent29and I've noticed that when TFL says they're "aired down" a lot of the time they'll be "aired down" to like... 25 psi. Meanwhile, my JLU on 35s runs 28 psi on the street. 25 psi is what it'll be on a cool morning. To really be "aired down" they should be more in the 15-20 psi category.
@@diSSent29 which would work in heavy snow or mud......not on this light trail shown in the video.
@@billw8476ok. But again. You’re wrong. Which is why they were spinning going up the rocks. Lack of contact patch. But hey, call it what you want.
Anyone else appreciate that they explained why you need to drive around to show the differentials are disengaged? So many modern manuals explaine nothing, hearing that it goes into the systems involved is very refreshing.
I think this is my favorite new 4x4. Styling is awesome, appears to be able to handle just about anything you can throw at it.
Hello 👋 Guys,
I would really like to see a comparison between similar price point vehicles. Say...
Lexus GX 550 Over trail + vs the Ineos Grenadier.
A discussion on:
Pricing, Fuel type 87 or 93, real world mpgs, towing capabilities, off road capabilities, etc!
No one has really done that comparison on TH-cam yet!
Thanks
-Shane
Saw these at the sportsman show here in Oregon. Cheapest model they have is $72k. If they could do one for $40k I'd sign papers today.
What truck can you get for 40k today?? 😂😂😂
@@number1Schumacherfan Base model Toyota Tacoma.
What vehicle is in front of it filming it? Seems to be doing everything the ineos is doing
You can see a red Chevy Silverado in the background numerous times so that would be my assumption.
It might be the AEV Wrangler.
Buhanka
Everything except breaking down due to transmission or valvetrain issues 😂
The only problem the Ineos will have is oil leaks or cracked plastics, but you can still drive it while it has these problems, at least.
@@qx4n9e1xp well. Go buy one big money! My chevy’s been excellent so far. Didn’t pay close to 85k. Good luck
Not supposed to turn the wheel while trying to lock or unlocking the diffs. Good way to bind everything up.
I’ve had my Grenadier for just over a week. Traded in my 4Runner. It is truly amazing and these guys are extremely frustrating to watch. Read the f*ing manual!! I did and did some quick experiments and had everything locked up no problem on day 2 of ownership. I put over 2k miles on it so far and spent 5 hours off road this past Saturday at Merus Adventure park in Texas. I was locking and unlocking all day - zero problems. This vehicle is a dream come true for me. And agree with other commenters: I hope it inspires other manufacturers to make serious 4x4’s.
Can you explain to me what makes this more "serious" than a GX550/Bronco/Wrangler/Colorado ZR2/etc? This thing doesnt seem like it is all that capable in stock form. They touted its solid front axle through the entire video but then when it went up the razor rocks the front tire was floating in the air and it seemed like it maybe had 8" of wheel travel. Normal 4Runner travel.
Seems like the GX550 with eKDSS and rear locker will do anything this will do and will be supported by a gigantic OEM.
Solid front and rear axles. Mechanical 2-speed transfer case. 3 locking differentials. Permanent 4 wheel drive. I took my Grenadier over much more challenging obstacles than demonstrated in this video. It handled everything. These guys didn’t even air down. I’m not saying those other vehicles aren’t capable - they are. I just think they’re all compromised in different areas. Everything is a tradeoff and the Grenadier is the perfect balance - for me - it’s the perfect over-landing vehicle and you can order it with a winch from the factory. To each his own, for sure. It’s not for everybody and it is expensive. But worth every penny - to me.
Also, the GX550 has terrible approach and departure angles. It could not have done what I did this past Saturday at Merus.
@@steveberry4527But the solid front axle doesnt seem to do much. The travel in this video is pretty meh and the RTI numbers I have seen for the Grenadier are no better than a 5th gen 4Runner. It needs the lockers because when it lifts a tire the traction control system is pretty poor from what I have seen. ATRAC is far better.
Most of the trucks I listed also have full-time 4wd and 3 of the 4 have front and rear lockers.
Seems like a serious roll of the dice to go with a truck from a random company and risk them not being around in a year.
@@steveberry4527Well with the 20k you save on a GX550 you can buy some bumpers 🤣
I think it would be interesting to see a comparison of locking speed on rollers with different 4WDs. I suspect the ford is simply indicating it’s locked before it’s actually locked. 4 wheels on rollers would be a good comparison test and eliminate uneven terrain variables.
It seemed like you held in the differential lock button much longer than one second. Is it possible that you activated a diagnostic or, at least, different mode by pushing and holding longer than one second?
How can you expect axles to unlock when you’re turning and putting pressure on the lockers?!?
Also “off-roading” at 50 PSI?!
I want to see this thing compared to stock or near stock triple locked 80 series landcruiser.
My biggest hope for this vehicle is that it encourages its competitors to produce their classic body style again in a new technology package. Cars have gotten so ugly in the last few decades.
Exactly my hope
100%
If my job was testing 4wd vehicles, I think I'd make sure I knew how to drive off road
Any reason why you guys don’t deflate the tires?
When you press the diff lock buttons and they blink, you then need to press it quickly one more time to confirm.
They didn’t even read the owners, manual or watch any instructional videos before doing a test drive. So don’t blame the car.
@@CJ-rk5eg I'm always surprised that people think they should be able to figure out a completely new vehicle without reading the manual, as if that's some hallmark of good design. Good design only takes you so far, it's the job of the customer to learn about the product before and after the purchase.
That's not correct. You just press for 1 second to activate. You are getting mixed up with the off road and wading buttons where a second press is necessary to confirm the requirement.
@@mistrrhappyBeing simple to understand and use is a hallmark of good design, other manufacturers manage to make it far simpler and quicker for the diff locks to lock and unlock.
@@mistrrhappyI agree! I was about to snap at the end of the video watching him fumble around with the buttons and then he finally said…maybe we should take a look at the manual
When you say "a lot of people" are trading Broncos for Grenadiers, keep in mind that Ineos has only delivered 1,000 Grenadiers in the entire US. "A lot" is relative considering 300,000 or so Broncos that have been sold in America. Your dealer has sold what, 15 or 20 Grenadiers?
A lot of people thate are buying the grenadiner, that is what he said. He didnt even get close to hinting that are lot of people are buying grenadiers
They’re saying that their dealer has been taking Broncos as trade-ins for the Grenadiers they’ve sold; that’s it.
@@bradythegenius2123 common sense would say that the Bronco has been out way longer than the Grenadier. I see common sense isn't so common anymore 😅
Triggered ford fanboy?
@@rafalstBS. They said, “a lot of people are trading Broncos for Ineoses”
So I stopped the vid when I saw 50lbs of air in the tires. Neat rig , tested by hacks.
I think you picked the best colour combination for these. I think these drive really well.
Lockers .... you have to move forward for them to engage... just like old school manual four wheel drive
Idk my lockers are engaged when accelerate. I only run Detroit Lockers.
Land Rover sh*t the bed with their new Defender (rated the least reliable vehicle on the planet). The previous Defender was a legendary off-road machine. So much so, the CEO of Ineos went to Jaguar/Land Rover and offered to buy the tooling to continue making it. They refused. So, being a multi-billionaire, he made one of his own...the Grenadier, named after the pub where he thought of it. It's what the new Land Rover Defender SHOULD have been. The only thing wrong with the Grenadier is the glaring lack of a manual transmission.
Watching the diff locking sequence was painful. These guys are clueless or don't bother to read. Usually (especially with new cars) you need to crawl a bit forward and turn the steering wheel a bit to align the gears in the lockers and then they click in. And you have to make sure they are engaged one by one. It's not that hard. In the first few drives this is a bit finicky but after a few uses this will get easier as the gears adjust. It seems modern cars where you just press a button and they do everything for you have spoiled drivers.
Anyone else watch these sort of car videos with the anticipation of buying one second hand in 5 years or so when they are cheaper? 😂
Base Rubicon Wrangler may be cheaper but a fully kitted out Rubicon (non-392) will also have triple locked diffs, plus a disconnecting sway bar, leather seats, heated seats, remote start, blind spot sensors, steel bumpers, a winch, etc, etc, and be about the same price point. You get way more bang for your buck, and can be ordered in any city in America and will maybe take two months to come in. With this one, you're paying for _exclusivity._ It's a cool ride, but I'd much rather have all the extras for the same price point. Or a basic ride for $15-20k less.
IdK about durability using a BMW powertrain…. I’ve never seen any BMW pass 70k miles without MAYOR REPAIRS or someone just doing a engine swap or something like that 😅
If they make the same body over a taller suspenssion 35” tires and a Toyota 1VDDTT v8 (the diesel Land Cruiser 200 powertrain can be factory fitted with triple lockers too… and it’s DEAD RELIABLE and pretty much powerfull (not even counting the aftermarket potential) than that BMW disposable powertrain 😅
@jorgeluisburgoacosio9998 I wouldn't waste my breathe replying to someone that comments with ignorance lol. Yeah I abuse my jeep but it still has the original drive train. I bounce and spin the tires like no tomorrow over rocks. And all the doubt in the world, it has 200k lol. My friends all bought new trucks in 2013-2015, my 08 sahara they trashed talk so bad back then is now really well respected. It's honestly one of the hardest flexes throughout the years.
Yeah, price is the biggest issue with the Grenadier. Well that and lack of support and parts which is kinda crucial for an offroader. When people say, “yeah it’s 80K but Wranglers are getting up there now,” it’s not an apple to apples comparo. The Jeep at that price will have every bell and whistle. Hell I’ve seen some 392s mid-80s. The winch is a perfect example of the Grenadier’s problem- because of the design of the bumper there is only one winch that fits, and you have to buy it from Grenadier from the factory. And it’s a $5,000 option. 🤷♂️🤦♂️ and the base Grenadier has no locking diffs at all- for $70K! To get a properly offroad built one is mid 80s. They screwed the pooch with the pricing. I’ll keep my built Gladiator thanks.
@@dadventuretv2538 yeah the base Grenadier is certainly comparable to the Sport S by way of features without nearly as much aftermarket support. And if you spec a Sport S with a hard top, tow package and auto transmission, you're looking at about $48k. About $25k less than the Grenadier, with way more aftermarket support. To each his own, tho. I would never bash somebody for buying one, do what makes you happy (just don't squat it), but again, you're paying for exclusivity. Whether that's worth $20k-$30k more is up to you.
But then I’d have to drive a jeep. I think I just threw up in my mouth.
Maybe the front didn’t lock and was saying check lock conditions because you were in a hard turn instead of having the vehicle pointed straight? Seemed as though once you straightened the front end out it allowed the locking of the front.
Did they happen to install the front and back diff lock switches backwards? The label on to top of the switch says one thing, but the glyphs printed on the switch say another. I'm assuming the "x" in the position means "locked".
The glyphs show where the steer axle is. I think it’s just confusing cause it’s on the panel above your head. If seated in the drivers seat then the steer axle on the picture is facing the front of the car and is correct.
Had that same back door arrangement on my 1988 Izusu Trooper (4cyl, 5speed manual), why they disappeared from the US market would make a good video.
As it turns out, Roman doesn't know how long "1 second" is.
That drove me crazy
It's complicated
He’s a dumba$$
Pushes button…”it says hold button for one second…..one one thousand…..”. Releases button.
i was always taught not to turn steering when front is locked. is that not the case w/ modern cars? or is roman trying to break another car here?
It is Raised Air Intake...not snorkel; the lockers engage it just takes a bit for the wheel speed sensors to validate..that is why the indicators blink longer sometimes...but you do need to go in specific order to engage...always best to select LOW, lock center diff and select rear locker first and then front locker if needed well before you get into the obstacles. Never understood people waiting until they get stuck to go into LOW or locking diffs.
Re:diff lock.
Seems it might be easier if you had any experience. Am I correct that engaging the diff lock requires rolling forward for the center before attempting the rear? Your first time experience might be one of learning rather than SOP?
You were guaranteed to lose traction at 17:57 as you turned the wheel triple locked. Turn off the axle lockers for turns then relock.
😂😂😂 Read the instructions, what a pair of muppets 😂😂😂😂😂
-James May 😅
I was yelling at the screen: ROLL FORWARD, just like you read in the manual.
Ummmm - why do you think you can lock a front differential when you’re feeding in steering input?
The center diff lock will disengage if you turn the wheel too sharp. It’s saving itself and the rest of the drivetrain by switching to awd mode. But also, in awd mode I doubt you can lock the front since it says the center needs to be locked
14:16 Looks like at this point the Ineos is fully flexed. The articulation of the front suspension is quite abismal for being a solid front axle.
I would like to compare to a stock LR3 (the vehicle that the ineos is "based" on). From what i remember, they should have similar flex ammount.
Maybe my wording is harsh. This 4x4 is more for long adventures rather than rock crawling, so I think it will have a bias for drivability.
So are 70 series landsnoozers
Yeah definitely more of an overlander, but it’s beautiful and can handle itself. Wish it was starting at 45k at least though
It's due to the control arm design. It's not designed to flex like a jeep, it's designed to take a beating from hell.
Who else thinks that this rig will soon be heading back to the dealer for repairs? Expensive to buy, expensive to keep on the road. This review reaffirms my decision to hang onto my 2012 FJ Cruiser for as long as possible.
Time will tell.. glad to see someone had the courage to build a proper off roader again. Now Toyota needs to bring back the FJ!
Is that "Magna" gearing better than a regular BMW 4WD system? Simple buttons to push instead of that transfer case lever? That BMW shifter next to a transfer case lever seems really weird...
The solid axle is certainly a plus for off roading, which most of these will see driving past on the way to the mall or a soccer game with the kiddos.
So knowing that the new Tacoma broke going up a little hump and the Grenadier has a solid front axle and two tooters, any guess which one will last longer and sells more in the future.?
I have the KO2's...I like them but they should not have the 3 peak snow rating. I find them to be slippery in snow. This video proves this too.
Maybe I missed it,where is this manufactured?
Wish I was in Colorado so I could see if my 2023 3rd Gen Tacoma is any tougher and would get past your Tacoma’s breaking point.
Driveline windup could be the reason for the slow to engage lockers. Try rolling to stop in N wheels straight. That eliminates windup.
How is this thing as heavy as a second gen sequoia?!? Whats it made out of?
Those front wheels on the razor rocks didnt articulate at all. Whats the point of solid front axle without articulation?
This! All everyone talks about is how it has a solid axle but then it has no more flex than any 4Runner out there for half the price. I'd be surprised if it had more than 8" of wheel travel. Its claimed to have a 584 RTI which is what a 4Runner TRD offroad or Lexus GX460 could do with KDSS. A 200 series Land Cruiser could do 660 or something like that.
I remember in my old 80 series landcruiser that the front and rear diff locks would take some time to engage/disengage. Not THAT long however, usually just 10-15 seconds maybe. I found that it helped if I was rolling slightly when attempting, Also, I'm wondering if Ineos requires the rear to be locked prior to the front being locked - thoughts?
If you had 80k to drop, would you take a 392 Jeep, a Bronco Raptor, or this?
How tall is Roman?
I’m 6’7 and never could fit in a defender. He seems to have quite a bit of headroom.
It would be great to rip the rear seats out and build an overlanding camper. Bit annoying to engage lockers. And how hard/expensive is it to service?
What is the point of "locking your centre." What does that actually do?
That overhead panel is so cool
How cool?
It's what sealed the deal for my wanting one.
Lockers work like in a G-wagon from about the year 2000. Sometimes it takes them a while to lock and unlock but you will get used to it and it will not bother you soon.
I have heard others and they were experts having issues locking or unlocking. They said it takes way to long to engage or disengage.
Complaining about traction off road while at 50 PSI… sigh
It almost looks like they wanted the car to fail. What a nonsense.
E lockers have a cam lock set of bearings have to ramp rolling forward turning slightly can help get it to engage
A lot of Bronco owners are trading in to buy Grenadiers. Of course they are, because they are must have the newest coolest thing crowd. Malls everywhere get ready. They should measure the boot in Nordstrom bags. I hope I actually see some on the trails.
Do you have a channel that reviews the maintenance requirements on the long term test? What's the cost of ownership really? Are they easy to dyi, or do you need dealer tools.
It's nice to see an old school new vehicle with serious off road capability. It's not the best, but it's a good start if it proves to be reliable. My only negative is you can build a very capable jeep for 80k so not sure it's a "needed" vehicle. Different and fun is cool though if you have the bucks.
That’s the second video I’ve seen on the grenadier different vehicle and they have problems locking the differentials front and rear. There may be a problem in the system.
Should have read the manual on how to operate the vehicle offroad modes. Does anyone know what is the towing capacity for that car? its important too.
The heavy steering and lack of self centering is down to the steering damper, aftermarket options are available to improve it. Would make an interesting video if you compare original, no steering damper and then aftermarket.
What kind of gas you putting in it? 87?
Here in the UK we also get a 3 litre diesel engine option which is the one I'd choose over this petrol engine with more torque and better economy.
I really like the grenadier. It didn't do too bad considering the tire (or should I say tyre) pressures.
Agreed ,dropping them down to even 30 PSI would make an absolute world of difference, a coworker of mine put a set of KO2's on his Jeep JK in November 2023 here in the centre of Canada and loves them, and the sidewalls are very stiff, he was running the seller recommended pressure of 45 PSI and dropped it down to 36 PSI and said what a world of difference it made in ride quality and almost no change in fuel economy, 👍
Off roadin in Colorado I'd argue that heated seats are a must. What if you break down, without heat, far from a tow?
Yup...after people pee on the seats or spilled milk or soda.
How wonderful it is to smell urine in the morning while driving in your heated seats.
My wife found out when I rented a vehicle with heated seats. The moment she was smiling about the heated seats. Then whammm....the urine smell hit them.
@@2nickles647 Right, because the smell would have been better while frozen, by pee, to the seats? Not sure why anyone would pee in their seat with the great outdoors just inches away.
I’ve thought these were super cool since I learned about them but wow that seemed so unintuitive when locking up. The Bronco is stupid fast to activate everything and the fact you can lock the front alone is awesome.
I had a chance to drive them early on at the TX Off Roadeo before they were sold and tried out the front diff only on off camber muddy hills to have it claw up on a turn. It felt great!
Hi guys! In the past few videos where you’ve shown the vehicle’s info screen it appears that you’re off-roading on tires that are aired up to street pressure. May I ask if you do air down your tires? And, if not, why not? Thanks and ride on.
Hey look it didnt break like a tacoma lol
But Tacoma did😢. No 4x4 should break like that, it's inexcusable.
@@zelenizub2036 That’s why you never buy a vehicle the first year it’s out. A lemon or two is always going to slip through.
@matthewcaughey8898 just don't buy any new Toyota. Problem solved.
@@quyle9483then buy a new what?
@benruthlessburger8905 a not Yotoya or yoga or whatever them people call those blasted things.
A lot of folk might agree with you that it is user knowledge issues. But you know what, I am not 1 of them. Kase is no slouch on this stuff. You have/had the manual there. Reading what it said to do and it still didn't work effectively. Eventually does not cut it. And from previous videos of how this thing operates on road(steering)I can tell I am not missing anything there. I would say an LRD would be preferable. Even with air bags and potential repairs and high maintenance. At least you know that thing is doing what you tell it to do. AND it has a much friendlier on road presence.(steering) And I totally agree with you about the Bronco being a better choice for that kind of terrain. The IG is cool by design. Semi practical by space. Sort of capable when things are working as advertised. As a tractor rig, it is ok. But at 80K, you are spending a lot for something that less expensive rigs can do better.
Being able to engage the front locker on the Bronco mid climb is pretty nice, like when I got stuck only trying to left foot brake off road. I don't think learning the Ineos locking process will ever beat the Bronco.
50 psi tire pressure in snow doesn't work so well. Better traction at lower tire pressure. 👍
I've seen more than a few videos of trouble with grenadier lockers. Looks like they need a little more calibration.
I wish TFL was able to hang onto the grenadier a little longer - to compare to ranger raptor and the cyber truck to see how differently they handle being off road but I also find it interesting how vehicles come and go and the decisions made on which ones when and the whys
Interesting concept with the squared-off body, high--visibility and the offset rear doors. I haven't seen that since my 1st gen Isuzu Trooper. While I don't have twin locking axles, it was also less than $5k in great condition. Not saying that I could hang with the $80k vehicle, but I sure get done what I need to.
The 1060s was the last time I drove one but this seems to be roomier than a Land Rover, and you seem to have gobs of headroom. And, thank goodness it doesn't have a modern Land Rover engine and Lucas electronics.
Definitely want to see a comparison with Lexus GX 550 Overtrail ~ six cylinder turbo engines, same price range, etc.
Are the rod bearings a maintenance item?
18:43 I sense another diff replacement coming if Roman keeps driving vehicles in the snow.
What’s the tow rating?
Black steel wheels look like the ones that came on my Bronco Black Diamond. Nice looking vehicle and video. Thanks guys.
it locks but does not report till it senses using the speed sensors on the wheels (if its in a slight turn or more it will sence quicker- same for unlocking) it is not clear
What does the owner's manual say about the lockers?
funny magna also makes the transfer case for the wrangler as a tier-1, also magna assembles the gwagen. Wonder how much cross over there is between some of these programs. Probably a lot!
What would happen if you couldn’t drive forward on the locker