Are All Terrain (A/T) Tires Really Better In The Snow Than All Season Truck Tires? Let's Find Out!
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#Tiretest #Ram1500 #fordranger
We're not scientists, we're guys with trucks, I love that :)
Should be a merch product.
@@FrankySilverFace 100%
Yet I feel like do science without knowing it.
Fun stuff TFL. How about a 3 peak rated AT tire snow shootout?????
And then WINTER tires vs 3-Peak Rated AT's on both deep snow and ice. In DEEP snow, I predict AT's. On ice, I'd say winter tires.
@@question_it_701 I tend to agree.
Throw studded snow tires for a further comparison...
And then a track kit
Agreed, I really want to see a comparison between a euro style tire like the blizzacks or nokians and an older school style like the Firestone winter force which has a more aggressive wide open pattern.
Love to see how 3 peak ATs and real snows compare in all of:
Powder
Hardpack
Ice
Slush
I am on 3 peak mild ATs right now and they're doing pretty well, but I am pretty confident they're still leaving stuff on the table vs snows
Those were really surprising results. Strange that the ranger took such a long way to stop. The snow videos are great. Thanks guys
My 2 favorite trucks you guys have right now.. and the Ranger just looks the best
Need to see Severe Snow Service Rated AT tire shootout. Brands like Falken wildpeak at3w, Toyo Open Country At3, Kuhmo Road Venture at52.
Duratracs.
Last winter I bought a set of BF-G Trail Terrain T/A tires for my 2018 Z71 and i am very impressed with these tires in the snow.
12:27 vs 13:39 Roman looked faster coming down before braking at the fence.
Remember, odometers are not accurate, especially at low speeds.
Great video, the most fun I've seen in a while.
the dirt under the snow is giving those AT tires something to grip. The same test on pavement, which for most of us is what we really need to know, might have very different results
Ok, all the acceleration tests where pretty close, but why the big difference stopping. That was a huge difference. Was it the truck, or was it the tires, or was it the drivers.
What did we learn? Nothing, but had heck of a good time!
I've watched that breaking test video multiple times and that black truck is going a lot faster than they Dodge
Just some good 'ol fun!
That looked fun!
“What did we prove here? Not much!” 😂
let's add some bfg mud tires and see what they do compared to all season or a/t
Mud Tires suck in Snow. You want a winter rated 3 peak AT tire.
That little Ram is kick ass. Its pretty much made anything put against it look terrible.
Even if these videos don't prove very much they are very entertaining haha
Love this videos, but it would be sweet if y’all could focus on the action first and let the talking happen in the end. The viewers don’t need to see 2 countdowns for each race
Good entertainment on a holiday winter weekend is always appreciated, even when there is no scientific merit. Perthaps the lack of scientific merit makes it *more* entertaining? Hmmmm... LOL Happy New Year TFL!
Happy New Year to you as well!
Should've put that Ranger in Snow mode
Video starts at 7:11
By the way, the 4wd systems arent the same, fords systems do much better than any others.
My Tacoma TRD PRO is 6100 lbs. Yikes
the electrical parts of the driveline being so freaking wonky is why I didn't even bother to test drive a ranger. SO unreliable and weird. What is going on with the Ranger's ABS here?
Why do you turn traction control off?
cause sometimes you want wheel spin and momentum
@@waggitnshaggit6592 why would you want wheel spin if you're trying to win a race?
@@Easternoregon1 systems cut power with the slightest bit of wheel spin or trail braking causing a massive bog.
My money is on the Audi RS 3
Wonder how be with mt tires
That's Nice question
for me I've always seen quite an improvement with MTs
So a plus 7K truck couldn't start in 2wd going up hill? duh 7k vs 4k truck in 4x4 and the same. My 21 F250 with open difs and Cooper DISCOVERER ATP II has the same results in the same storm. 2 high spins due to the massive wheel torque from the Godzilla. 4 high I could take off like it's dry. (same snow storm as this video 20 miles north of them) Not sure you showed any science other than a heavy truck does better in 4x4 than in 2wd. The ranger is able to dump boost get a low wtq number to get the truck going.
They said in the video there is only about 100 lb. weight difference between the two. ;)
@@jedironin380 Maybe the single cab is 4900. Everything else on the ram is setup like a 7k lbs truck because it's made as a 7k truck. I have owned a 21 F150 3.5 Ecoboost and a 21 F250 7.3. The 3.5 is much less kick you into the back of the seat driving normal even though its a much faster truck. The F250 made to haul much more weight so Ford set it up to have more off idle tq. Do you understand how it's not apples to apples. You could flip tires on the trucks and get the same results uphill in 2wd.
The difference is how/when that 10 sp tranny shifts...in snow you want less power at the wheels to avoid spin. Start in 2nd or 3rd and ypu will get more traction even in 2wd
Is Case your son?
They definitely have that similar Shylock nose. But I’ve never heard them acknowledge him as family. Tommy calls Roman dad. I think maybe Case is Tommy’s friend or something more, based on what we’ve seen. Case seems nice, but Nathan is a massive talent they fail to utilize.
1st!
I can tell you already, a/t are junk in snow. I had them on my truck last winter and they sucked
Depending on which AT tire you have all aren't junk
My wildpeak trails are awesome snow and ice, deep or surface snow. They have really impressed me for bad weather, which is good, that is why I bought them.
Weird, I have the Hankook ATM on my F150 and they do just fine, including a 61 inch snowfall in November and last weekends 46 inches (blizzard '22). I saw lots of people off the road and stuck in the road but I didn't have trouble. Maybe its the driver...
Stop buying cheap ass A/Ts then. I run the KO2s and they’re beasts in the snow!
Well duh, obviously if they're snow peak rated they're gonna be good in snow. But regular all terrains suck, at least the Cooper AT3'S that I had were, even when brand new. So it wasn't "cheap a/t's" And it had nothing to do with the driver. (Dickhead) I drive tugs at the airport for a living. And I worked at a tire shop for 3 yrs. So I know a little about the subject. Those ko2's are decent for now.(Again snow rated) but give them a year, 2 tops. Once they start to wear down they're awful in snow too.
Spoiler Alert: Goodyear tires are shit
“What did we learn here? Not much!” Perfect!
You need to compare a snow rated 3 peak AT tire to a dedicated snow tire. Ice, Deep snow, packed snow.
Those must be magical Wrangler SRA's because I've been stuck on wet grass with them. I'm really shocked about the Dynapro's not having anymore traction than they did. A lot of people put All Terrains on, for the traction improvement. Those wouldn't be worth upgrading.
Never been a fan of Hankook AT's. Big Cooper AT3 fan. and the amount of times i had to use my old ranger on AT3's to drag my fathers silverado on Hankook AT's out of mud/snow/soggy grass proved all i needed to see lol
The hankooks even with wheel speed just couldnt shed mud/snow to save their lives and would just pack up and get stuck. Seeing them perform on par with an all season makes sense. Go BFG or Cooper if you want a decent AT that'll last a long time as well
@CheekyB I love Hankook dynapro at2 in snow. I have a 1993 gmc 3500 2wd dually extended cab with them and got around perfectly fine with them. I was impressed.
Yeah, i wouldn't say this was scientific. not much to learn. But, I was entertained. i'm actually surprised the ranger went anywhere in 2wd.
On video it looked like the Ranger was going much faster on the braking test.
Snow tires on pavement make an insane difference. Those blizzacks will save ur life.
This show the RAM has a better ABS braking system than the Ford. 35 feet shorter is a lot and Ford has better tires for snow.
Driving with one side's tires in the previous rut for the Ranger in, at least most of, the second run was most likely am advantage.
I dont know why amercans seem to shy away from having proper winter tires?
Ich have a set of tires for winter and a set for summer.
Offroad tires are for offroading and all seasons are mediocre year around.
Wonder why People make such broad assumptions! Pretty amazing this day and age that the human psyche hasn’t progressed enough to stop. I’m an American to the fullest degree and I use “proper snow tires” in the snow and off road tires off road. Assume: to make an ASS outta U and ME
I wonder why European countries are pretentious and make rude assumptions in regards to Americans? My family immigrated to America because it was the greatest country on the planet. No amount of conjecture, stereotypes, or anything will change the minds of millions of immigrants who risk their lives to get here.
@@oldrango883 well i didnt want to offend anyone.
the only impressions of the usa i have , is from youtube and americans as tourists.
many things are different, the idea what a "normal" sized car is.
A full size us car will have trouble parking in most european cities.
So i assumed that maybe the american mindset differs from the european regarding tires.
My wife hasn't stopped calling me stubby since our wedding night. 😭
Just a couple of comments. The RMA states that a 3 peak rated tire must have a 10% increase in traction over a non-3peak rated M&S, not much. I have driven many AT and MT tires in the snow (lived in New England= lots of snow) and the performance varies greatly (M/T's are terrible). The Hankook AT-M is not rated very high in snow traction compared to other AT's. My new PRO-4X came with the Hankook's I swapped them out for Wildpeak AT3W's and got a noticeable increase in snow traction. My son runs TOYO A/T III's and they have better traction than the AT3W's. I run the BFG TA KO2's on my Earthcruiser and they also perform very well however I have a Torsen front dif and a factory FUSO limited slip rear dif that adds greatly to the snow performance. I love your work, Thank You!
I kinda feel ≥10% is a decent gain.
Last year on my 2016 F150 I replaced my original Dynapro atm with atm2, but the Atm2 were a retail tire not factory and were three peak tires, I thought they were noticeably better in snow, fuel economy may have dropt 1%, a couple of months ago I got a 2022 F150 with Atm2 from the factory, the tires are visually different looking, and don't work as good as the replacements I had for my 2016.
The real difference would probably show if it got a lot colder, where one tire compound would start to get hard and useless and the other still doing its job. ^^
In Snow Colorado they just got 10 inches of boulders
Underated comment
@@johnnymcguire7388 I'm used to that
I can't say I'm entirely too surprised that the SRA tires did relatively poorly. I've had them on a Grand Cherokee and they're awful.
Must use same trucks
Since you have had the ranch, this is what I expect to see. A controlled environment for your shenanigans. Don't understand why you feel it is better testing on that other hill that was finally proved to be a bad place for it today.(in this video) This is where it should happen. IMO. No traffic noise or distractions. Plus you get the convenience of your house/barn for breaks and dry location for set ups.
Y'all make videos for everyday people I like that
All stock pickup trucks used to be low to the ground. And they had at least a 6 5 foot bed and low bed rails. You could use them for work. Not any more.
SR-As' are actually a decent all around tire... Michelin Defender LTXs' are also great in snow for an all season. Good off-road as well
The consumer report rates the defender as having excellent traction in snow.
My 05 Z71 has brand new Blizzak dmv2 snow tires on it and she is a ripper. Last week when the sub 0 blizzard hit I could hardly tell how bad the roads were, I had great traction in stops and turns, but especially taking off from a dig. My 0-60 time was maybe 1 second slower than optimal conditions. Meanwhile traffic all around me was struggling with some going 10mph with hazards on trying not to slide off the road. The fast lane wasn't being driven on by anybody because it had more snow so I had a nice commute that day. Passed a bunch of 4x4 trucks going slow too, probably the same people that say they never needed snow tires in 30 years of winter driving.
I’ve got some Michelin X Ice Snow tires and the performance has been amazing. Drove around Yellowstone, Cooke city Montana, as well as Wyoming yesterday where they had just got a lot of snow and ice and my RWD Jag did amazing! Never had any traction problems even when driving over snow and ice on the interstate. Ended up passing quite a few different SUV’s and trucks with what I presume were all seasons. Ik the Blizzak’s are a good tire too. Good snow tires definitely make a big difference and anyone that says otherwise is full of it.
@@onefastboi14 The X ice tires are amazing, I have installed many sets and they were my first pick but got half off the blizzaks through work discounts. Hard to go wrong with either though, they are both top of the line and such a game changer when the weather hits.
About a decade ago when I was a young dumb kid driving a fwd open diff car, I really struggled driving in bad conditions and hated it. Changing lanes, turning, braking, getting stuck almost daily. Just driving straight was a challenge and terrifying.
Then I picked up some Altimax Arctics and I was ripping down unplowed roads at 90mph without any fear of losing control (young and dumb). Changed my winter driving experience entirely and saved my ass from other drivers many times.
@@cmawhz can’t beat half off with a work discount. They definitely are a game changer when the weather goes bad. I’ve driven around when it snowed 12+ inches in Fort Collins and ended up helping folks get unstuck. Was a lot of fun.
Certainly understand that. I’ve driven around in my Accord when it snowed and it wasn’t the best experience as I had all seasons “Michelin”. Imagine it’d be a lot better with some winter tires.
Don’t live in an area we’re we get snow a lot “ Houston Tx” but I do travel up north often enough I’ve got a set of winter tires.
I'd love to see another mpg test between the all season tires on the ram compared to some more aggressive all terrain tires.
Weight of the tires will make a bigger impact. A set of 33s can weight from 40s to 60s lbs. A heavier tires takes more power to turn and will lower mpg.
@Dan W that's true. I'd still like to see it. I haven't seen someone make a nice video on the mpg difference between the two. I just think it'd be nice before I make the switch to something tougher than than stock tires that came on my 21 ranger
for what its worth I always seem to drop 2mpg when I put on larger Mud Terrains and thats probably the weight and rolling resistance
The SRA's are very good for mpg's with my Ecodiesel. Swapped to GY Trailrunners, better traction but maybe lost a mpg.
I put Cooper AT3 snow rated on Ford STX 20x8.5" wheels on my 2wd F150 and took about a 20% hit in gas mileage vs. the Firestone TRX factory issue tires on 17x7.5" stock alloy wheels. Massive gas mileage difference. I thought I'd want to run the cooler looking STX/Cooper stock all year until I noticed my gas mileage going straight to hell.
I have a 2011 Ram 1500 that I have owned since new. First 2 upgrades I did was tires (because those stock SR-A's are trash in snow and ice - I'm Canadian, so I see snow and ice for 5 months a year) and the headlight bulbs. Ran through 2 sets of KO2s that were good for a combined 220,000km, and just put on a set of Maxxis RAZRs because I got an insane deal on them. For the headlights, I went with 55w HIDs in the 6000k (white) range. Just those two upgrades made my truck much more enjoyable to drive on both the highway and on logging trails.
I do not understand your incessant desire to continue to race trucks. What is the point, how many owners could really care less. I intend to buy a Raptor R and a TRX, but i will not be racing them. Rather i intend to enjoy ownership and use them as they are intended for. They will be very long term residents in our garage.
That front wheel drive test was probably the dumbest test you guys did, just test a front wheel drive vehicle with Winter Tires vs AWD with all seasons.
this was a real fun video. Nice seeing you and the boys duking it out. The Maverick surprised me and did well overall. The difference in the stopping distance was really surprising.
Thanks 👍
Maverick!?? Dude you blind? That’s a Ford Fu*king Ranger!
... thought it was a Ranger ? ...
@@joshuaallswang8016 easy pal
@@Baked13 it is
Marching Band Steps are a universal measuring tool of the football field. Three Season Tires are nice until the temperature hits freezing, and then they start sliding; Four Wheel Drive helps the car to accelerate, but steering and stopping can be dangerously-problematic, especially when you're driving in a snow and ice storm after a band night, a harrowing experience made worse by the fact that almost nobody else has Winter Tires.
I have Grabber AT2 three-peak tires on my SUV and they're not in the same league as my Blizzak DMV-2 winter tires. The AT2s are better than all-season tires, but just so far behind the Blizzaks it's shocking.
The stopping distances are dangerously different, maybe the Ford's tire air pressure to high for conditions.
Ranger all day every day
RANGER
Another useless „test“ which isn’t a test. When are you guys finally starting to get professional?
A lot more room in stuby. Shoulder room a win for Stuby.
As a former marching band kid from the late 90s... i laughed way too hard at that comment.
I do think stubby would be awesome as the new rescue rig. 37-38" Duratracs, 4" lift, heavy duty bumper with a winch, heavy duty front end parts. Regear it to 4.88's. That short wheelbase would be great. Air lockers front and rear and good skid plates. If the front end breaks do a solid axle swap. Would make some great content...
That V6 and trans will blow up if you add 37s! My Godzilla with 4.30 gears felt different after adding heavy Cooper Rugged Treks in 35x12.50r20.
That was a great time playing in the snow ❄️
Enjoy watching the video. I always sorta enjoy driving in the snow. Years ago I had a 1988 Chevy S-10 2wd 4cly automatic I put some weight in the back of that truck it go about anywhere , once we had a snow and ice there was a hill nobody was going up 4 vehicles stopped at the bottom could not make it up two of them were 2wd pickups . I drove right up it with my S-10. Of course 4wd’s are better. Today I wouldn’t be cought without a 4wd pickup
Tires are key he who sticks to the ground better wins every time
As somebody who has played in the snow in a couple vehicles in the past..I can feel the steering wheel shaking from here from all that snow built up in the wheels and suspension/steering components..
Can we stop with tug of war testing? Completely meaningless. Might as well start a new test where you nudge the front of your truck against a building and then floor it to see what happens in 30 seconds.
We all know what happens when they let Tommy try to back a Tesla into the shop, he runs into walls and creates havoc LOL....may as well put Tommy on the bumper cruncher test too LOL.
Seeing you blasting down the road made me realize how much traction control and ABS helps. You should do some videos in an older truck, like an 80s F-150 or Chevy C/K. Think it’d be fun :)
First thing you do when offroad or in deep snow is shut it all off or you get stuck.ABS can make it sketchy at times off road especially if bumpy.On road its mandated effects look good but also create no skill inattentive drivers.
@@waggitnshaggit6592 I was thinking more in the early part of the video where they're bombing down the road. Looked like they were moving pretty quickly.
Need NA V6 in ranger
Great video as always! BTW, those Goodyears are one of the worst ranked tires on tire rack.
They can not be worse than the Firestone Transforce AT's (AT in name only) tires that come on the Ram HD's. Come on Ram, why such crappy tires on such expensive trucks?!
Golden opportunity for a Tire manufacturer to sponsor some videos! Michelin? Firestone? BFG? Looks like that Ram needs better tires. Something 🏔❄ approved! Prove KO2's are better BFG!
I've had both KO2's and Wildpeak AT3W's on my former truck. The AT3W's worked surprisingly well in the snow and the KO2's seemed to pack up in the lugs and get harder. Both were 3 peak rated.
Interestingly the OEM BFG Rugged Trail TA's worked great in the snow. A little wheel spin would clean out the sipes nicely.
I'd love to see TFL do a snow comparison of 3 peak rated AT tires.
my money is on Michelin! Finally Roman doesn't bring up politics, Great video gents!👍
Duratracs?
We just went to Tennessee in my dad's f250 with ko2s in the worst co ditioins for snow only about 2 or 3 inches and ice ofcourse but we're passing everybody on the mountain going up 12° grades like nothing
Kenda makes amazing tires also i have the kenda klever at2 on my 2005 dodge ram 1500 reg cab 6 ft bed stubby and they have pulled me through 20 inches plus of snow no problem have 30k on them and still holding up great
Here in Norway we use dedicated snow tires like Continental WinterContact TS 870 or Nokian Hakkapeliitta 9 SUV. I myself swear to Cooper Evolution Winter with *studs* on my Jeep WJ. The rubber in A/S and A/T tires becomes too hard during cold/icy conditions, neither are they good in shifting rain, slate, or snow conditions. End of story.
That's all this really was the kids getting out and playing in the snow with their pick ups. Lol the most surprising thing to me was the weights on the two trucks compared. Thanks for this video guys. May y'all have a good one. Have fun take care
Does the locker on the Ford automatically turn off after 20mph?
@Angry Beaver yeah from what i recall the Ford is identical to that.
Should, unless in sand mode it won't stay locked very fast. What I don't know is if it unlocks when stopped or if unlocks while in motion. Think sand mode let's it stay locked up to 55 or 65mph
Yes but it does not disengage until the diff has slack. So on a acceleration run it would stay engaged
Not too surprised at the outcome. I live in Montana and I bought a 2007 F-150 in 2010 that had very new looking Hankook ATs on it. One of the worst traction tires on snow and packed show I've ever had. I'm sure that others out there absolutely love them but I'll never buy a set of them.
would like to see A/T vs 3PMS A/T
You've done A/T vs All-season here and the 3PSM A/T vs All-season vs 1/2 Ton on another video.
I've been running Toyo Open Country AT3 (Newer generation with the 3PMS rating) on a 2017 F-150. Been really good in SW Michigan except for interstate, above 50mph I need to be in 4x4 to keep the back end from randomly stepping out and throwing me to another lane.
Who pays for the tires ?
3PMS only needs to be 10% better at stopping in snow to earn that rating. So not a huge difference.
@@gs98999 Not exactly true. They must score at least 110% of SRTT (which has better than average snow performance) in the F1805 Driving traction test.
Then you have the braking test which is the ETRTO Braking Traction Test.
C1 is 107% of SRTT 14 and C2 is 102% of SRTT16C.
Cheater. On the first 4x4 race, the Ranger's right side tires were not on fresh snow
A metal hook on the end of a nylon strap can be a flying projectile if the strap fails. I lost a Bronco windshield to such an event.
You could potentially lose your life. Good post.👍🏼
Yep switch to a soft shackle
I was going to post this as well. They should be wearing helmets and use soft shackles. I wouldn't even use that blue strap with the metal hooks in the middle, either. If that strap breaks, any piece of metal becomes a projectile that can cause serious injury or death, or at least serious damage to the vehicles. There was a video out not long ago about a man who was killed when a trailer hitch broke while he was trying to get pulled out of a mud hole. The guy had a wife and kids, I think his wife was in the truck with him when it happened.
Can you guys take stubby and run those same tests empty vs with added weight? A lot of us add sand bags to our trucks in the winter so they “perform better”. You could show how much it helps.
I want to see these two drag race a Honda ridgeline
Loving all these snow “tests.” Keep ‘em coming!
So, what is the explanation for the night and day differences on the 2WD test? When everything else( in 4WD) was so nearly identical? Except for the braking test, where the AS on the Ram actually kicked butt, the reverse of the 2WD results? A possible explanation for the reversal in the breaking test is that the less aggressive AS might actually be superior in snow up to this depth and/or ice. Because it might not throw the snow out as quick as the AT or an MT, and pack snow in the treads "better". Snow on snow has much more grip than most any snow on rubber. So, if the ATs cleared the snow, that would explain the far superior breaking results of the Ram with AS. But still does nothing to explain the crappy results of the Ram/AS in 2WD. So, what's up with that?
Well, what did we prove here? Not much!!😂😂😂. You guys had me rolling.
Not exactly the best comparison when you have 2 completely different vehicles with different designs. But still wholesome content I guess. It's like comparing a utv with an ATV
My two(2) cents, you should drop the tugs , they're pointless unless you strap-up identical trucks with different tyres, you just discredit the rest of your astounding automotive journalism .
Surprised about the different stopping distances.
Great video as always, I fully entertained! Thanks!
Awesome, thank you!
You can't compare a full size vs a mid sized pickup. At least pick two trucks in the same class, but ideally same truck where you control for all variables except the tire. I realize you're not scientists, but you don't have to be for a simple test. Just my 2 cents. I still like your channel.
Happy New Year, and a lot of health, because that's the most important thing right now.
Why did the ford start off on a 20 foot path of snow already driven?????, I smell a bunch of rats!!!!!!!!!!!!
Both trucks in fresh snow would have bin a little better. Ranger was in a track already. I never have a problem in fresh snow undriven snow
Looks like at about 13:45 the front bumper is pushing snow in front of the tires. Perhaps that is the main driver? What is the difference in the ground clearance between the two?
Lol he said having two trucks and some land and you can have some fun. Well two trucks and some land in Colorado is a million dollar effort.
I was expecting the Ram to slide a lot further than it did. That looked like a lot of fun.
With all that beautiful snow,,,,, you now know why Adolph chose Colorado!