Great video sir. I just bought a Minilogue XD for a lot of the same reasons to bridge the gap between my crazy software synth library. Wish it had 8+ voices though. Although I could pick up a module version as well for 8 voices all day for less $ than the Prologue. What we need is a Prologue 16 XD with 3 LFOs, dedicated sub-osc/noise, 64-step sequencer, and more filter options!
The value of simplicity is underrated. I had a Minilogue found that its limitations were the biggest feature. It was so easy to make something that just sounded great. It was very inspiring to play. While the Rev2 has more bells and whistles, who's to say that it has the right amount? You can always wish it had something more. And that's where software shines. So to me if you want to get deep go for software. If you want a great sound that is engaging to play, go for the Prologue.
Rev 2 over Prologue is probably bad advice if you want VCO sound. I bought a Rev 2 and sold it quick, it sounded like a Novation Peak, which is fine, but very digital. The difference between VCO and DCO was obvious, or maybe it was also due to the filter on the Rev 2. I ended up with an OB6 and couldn't be happier.
Came to this video to help me decide between a Rev2 and a Prologue, but got so much more from this video. Your detailed explanations and how you decide on which synth is for you helped a lot. Also that Xenomorph canvas is incredible 👌🏾 I'll subscribe for that alone.
Hahaha I'm glad you love her! 🖤 I really appreciate your kind feedback. Both synths are incredible pieces of hardware, but for me the sound of the filter, the VCO's and all the user oscillators and FX put the Prologue over the top. Could totally see someone feeling the exact opposite lol.
Excellent comparison video! I have a (noob) question: I thought I heard you describe the Mini XD as a 4 oscillator synth. Are you adding 3rd party dual oscillators available for the multi-engine to the 2 existing analogue VCOs to get 4? I've had an XD for 2 years now and I still have a ton to explore with the default 3. Thanks!
Great video. Korg Prologue is an underrated synth with a few handicaps but a hell of a lot of sonic potential. For the $$, it's hard to find something in that price range that can produce the magic it can unleash. You mentioned the drifting voices and I agree its a big plus.
I picked up the Rev 2 16 voice as soon as they rebranded back to Sequential. The 32X mod matrix is no joke, and the sequencers are super powerful too. Absolutely one of the most flexible non-modular synths under $2,500.
Before I bought the Sonic Extensions I watched your videos and never regret it. I ordered couple days ago the Minilogue XD Module, it will arrive tomorrow. I think it will be great to control an amazing soft synth AND to make sounds with the hardware. After buying Push 3 and effect pedals I realised how much I hate to make music with the mouse. I feel like people don't appreciate the hardware integration thing enough, thank you for this nice video
I got the Prologue8 new for $850 and it was worth every penny. I don't ever run into voice stealing and the timbre options are pretty accessible in the menus. It seems to be a popular synth for the Synthwave, Post-Punk, Post-Rock crowd.
Prologue was my first hardware synth - it's a great machine and opened the floodgates of hardware for me. It's been on every single one of my songs since and I will never sell! One of the best tips for new Prologue users is to go pick up the filter pack from Dirtbox synth and all the free user FX from Hammondeggs. Having an extra highpass filter or VCA tremolo/autopan is a game changer for sound design.
I have the first minilogue, the XD which I bought because I thought it covered what the prologue could do in terms of sound quality and types, at least on paper the sound engines are virtually the same, and the XD appears more capable with motion sequencing. One day I had the chance to side by side compare both a prologue and moog one side by side in a quiet room. I was blown away by the Prologue. The sound is much more analog and inspiring than the moog. The Prologue is insanely alive, where the moog one has a high quality to it, its overall dull by comparison. That simple. For the price the moog is a loser. If I had I had infinite money and tIme to waste on it, sure I would have a moog-one besides my better synths. So after I was finished comparing the both, and already full-well knowing how the XD sounded since I bought that one months before the Prologue, I knew the Prologue had at least one fundamental difference that was obvious in it's VCO's compared to the XD. When you turn either of the frequency knobs on the Prologue versus the frequency knobs on the XD, it is like night and day in the way the pitch changes on the Prologue......its the blade runner "effect". You cannot get this on the XD no matter what you try. So it appears the Prologue is either sampling the knob position a lot faster and/or with finer resolution or there is a fundamental difference in the VCO's. I haven't dug any deeper into why this is, like look at the schematics of both, but I know other prologues I've played since buying mine respond the same way, and other XD's I've played since dont respond like that at all, and just like most of all the other synths do, the XD responds flatly, dulley with no life as you sweep the pitch up or down. Try doing this on a Prologue and you'll understand why this is the best sounding, best deal hands-down for the price for a "real" analog polysynth that uses full-on VCO's and has patch memory unlike so many of the Behringer except the deepmind. I have a deepmind too, and while I love it, it doesn't exceed or equal anything to the Prologue except some modulations routings and other minor but still useful features. I also have the Rev2 and prophet 10. The Rev2 has a great sound and can get somewhat close to that of a real vco if you program it correctly, and the synth is very inspiring. The prophet 10 is an equal to the Prologue in my opinion as far as the particular type of musical inspiration a real vco synth gives you, and actually so far I have been able to more easily create better, more inspiring, evocative textures / patches on the Prologue than the P10. I'm pretty sure my P10 has it in it to match up to that level, but just saying that for each hour I've spent so far on sound design using each synth, I've achieved much better results using my Prologue. Btw, for most sounds the XD is equal in that is matches up pretty much exactly to the Prologue. But overall, the Prologue is superior and for some sounds the XD will never match up to the Prologue. Prologue is defintely worth the money for theb16 voice version.
Great comparison! I have the Hydrasynth, System8, Deepmind12, MinilogueXD and you are spot on with the comments. I'm happy as I just picked up a Prologue16 for £850! The question is will I still keep the MinilogueXD.
The Rev2 uses DCO's so that's probably why it sounds so different from the Prologue. But you can actually use the gate sequencer to recreate VCO behavior which has been a game changer with the base sounds you can make as a starting point!
No doubt the Rev2 can sound really good, especially with the slop knob. I think the filter makes the biggest difference. You lose a lot of bass when you crank the resonance.
The preset sequenzes from the minilogue sounds just amazing. I think there are a lot to start a nice track and make the lead sound and other things on a second synth with 8 or 12 voices.
Thanks for your time investigating these synths. So helpful. I am looking for a go to analog synth, and had been considering the prologue, but now will consider the Beringer. Again, thank you.
@@VultureCulture I'm using Logic ProX. It has some nice sounding soft synths. Can you reccomend a hardware synth that would interface well so I could use its knobs to control the soft synths knobs? Maybe a hardware synth (Korg:)) that also sounds good on its own? Thanks for your channel and sharing your research.
That's tough. Omnisphere had great hardware integration, but if you're using other synths like the amazing Alchemy in Logic then you can use any midi controller with knobs and faders and midi learn them. If you do choose to go with a hardware synth, definitely go with something you like the sound of. Don't be afraid to go cheap if you plan to use it mostly to control soft synths.
Great Video - just saw it now and need to completely review my decision for my new analog synth. Just needed to subscribe because of this cool comparisons. Thanks :o)
Good explanation. I think the big takeaway that people need to really consider when watching overviews or comparisons is keeping in mind what they’re looking for a synth to do and how it fits in with the rest of their hardware and software. And it makes sense if you want a poly with VCOs that plays nice with Omnisphere. If someone doesn’t already have the $500 software synth then yeah, maybe something like a Rev 2 makes more sense on the sound design side. Or Hydrasynth. Or even a Peak. Now that they’ve added user wave tables it’s super flexible if you don’t already have a software system that covers the same ground. Assuming someone actually cares about the sound design side. Good job on keeping this in context of fitting in with the other tools you want this to work with. Most important is that an instrument inspires someone to play. So if you have something that sounds good that you can just mess around with away from the computer, which also adds a good tactile interface on the software side, that’s pretty handy. I find software synths super handy but often incredibly boring to work with without the right interface so I get way more use out of some mono synths that are less capable but just more fun to use.
Deep mind 12 is so underrated it's one of the best synths on the market especially for that price point but the Behringer stigma holds it back but I think overtime people will realise how much of a classic it is
hello! I'm a bass player and I'm about to buy a Prologue. I want a synth to play Bass. I already have a Moog sub phatty, which I want to use both for live play, the Moog for 808 and the Prologue for Sub Synth Bass. It makes sense?
Very nice video!!! I have prologue 8 and im little bit confused in sythetizers at all. Im a begginer in it. I just want to ask you, If its possible to delete some of preset sounds. I dont like all of them and I wish i could clear it. Thank you🌱
After revisiting this video again. I recently bought a Rev2 as it was a borrow since my Jupiter X was being repaired. After just a few minuts of playing i was already won over by the Prophet but i did not wanted to part with the Jupiter X either so i decided to keep them both.. I also got some Roland Romplers and a Microkorg XL. But the Threesome of the D50, Jupiter X and Prophet Rev 2 is MAGNIFICENT!!
Hard to know just by listening, but I found this quote from Zhu: I use Logic as my DAW, and i also use analog synths like the Dave Smith Evolver, and Moog. Software synths... i have a bunch too. Sylenth, Linplug, Gladiator, Rapture, Native Instrumentents, Ohmforce, Minimoonsta. Live set up is traktor s4
Today got my new Behringer DeepMind 6 (bought it cause of size and a little bit lower price instead of 16). And yes, this is my first hardware analogue synthesizer, but I know the basics and can create some sounds. But, with DeepMind it's reeeally hard, I don't know why, but it has like too many options and I think I'll need about a month to learn just how to use it. I hope this was right choice and I can use DeepMind to do what I want. I've tried Minilogue XD in a shop and it was much easier to create a sound in some minutes, whereas DeepMind is really harder to get the thing you want from.
I think it's great! Wish the reverb was stereo. I don't think it's as versatile as a Minilogue XD - but the thing it does, it does really well. Nymphes and Typhon together would pretty much cover your bases for analog.
Just a little clarification....the REV 2 has a gated sequencer (4 lanes) which is a motion sequencer....so it's not short of that...thank god ....and Dave Smith :)
My bad! Yeah the motion sequencing is a big feature missing from the Prologue, I can't believe they didn't incorporate it. Thanks for the clarification!
I think you made the right decision. The Prologue sounds amazing and it's $1500 for 16 voices. People complain about lack of modulation options and features (e.g. just one lfo) etc but I think the macro oscillator mitigates that to a greater extent because you can get the waveforms you would typically aim for via a modulation matrix right at the start of the signal flow. You don't need a modulation matrix if you have a macro oscillator. Or rather, you need it less.
Have a look at rev2 using the sequencer to do slight voice detuning, gives it real old school warmth without using slop. Also rev2 Keybed is on of the best. I have rev2 16 voice. Unbeatable unless you want Sem filter from ob-6, which is pure bliss.
@@_EightySix Mate I completely understand, rev 2 is more sharp and chirpy " Out of the box" but warmth can be found. See Robust American patches for REV2 on youtube. They show its capabilities well I think. OB-6 as I mentioned is the 80's in a box and is warm from the get go. Patch 007 Broken EP is worth 50% of the price IMHO and I think may be the greatest patch of all time.... (Completely debatable Ha Ha).
I can't decide between getting the Minilogue XD and Bass Station II (possibly both) or only getting a Hydrasynth or maybe the DeepMind 12. I'm still fairly new to synths. Purchased the Roland Gaia a little while ago Thoughts or suggestions on these synths?? Two smaller synths XD and BS II or the bigger more complete Hydra or DM 12? For reference, I do mostly my own music creation and some classic rock. Typically for home studio and coffee house smaller gigs.
If all of my synths burned in a fire and I had to rebuy out of the synths you mentioned, this is the order in which I would buy them: Minilogue XD Hydrasynth Deepmind 12 Bass Station The Hydra is a beast but might be a little too complex for what you're looking to do. I think the Minilogue or DM12 are the best beginner options. I recommend trying to spend as little as possible for your needs at first, and make purchases slowly to fill gaps in what you have covered sonically. Hope that helps!
@@VultureCulture Thanks! It helps a lot. It was your videos that really directed my attention to both the Prologue 16 and the Minilogue XD and made me aware of what they are capable of. I can't put my finger on it exactly but nothing moves me quite like the sounds these two synths can create. They have that old school appeal and more modern sounds all in one. As you noted, if we were rich we'd have several different favorites in our studios. Lol
@@VultureCulture I would really like to get the Prologue 8, but for the price and what a person is getting do you think the Minilogue XD is the better deal?
Rest In Peace, Vangelis (and Dave Smith). Thx for this. I'm picking up a prologue 8 for $800 CDN local tomorrow and so can skip the XD. Price too good to pass up. Would love the 16 by 8 may do. I'm so dumb for not knowing about these Omnisphere mappings. Thx for this too. I've already got some on the list so instantly useful. The Rev 2 is sill on the "to do" list. If that behringer pro-800 actually comes out this new year it will get further pushed back. And thumbs up on the Deepmind 12(D), best FX on any machine, like having a built-in and better, integrated, Zoom MS-70CDR. The System 1m I love, though unfortunately not all plug-outs available for it, including 106 and 60, and only 4 voice.
the rev2 has the nicer keybed imo. I'ts a bit firmer so velocity is more usable. Also note that the prologue does not have aftertouch, though it can recieve it, when triggered externally. But if you really want a good keybed, skip the synths and get a doepfer lmk2 or something similar with a real hammer action.
Good news is you don't need much to get that raw sound. If you want to go analog I'd recommend a Dreadbox Typhon or Hades, Minilogue XD, Minifreak or Take 5 depending on budget.
personally i own the rev2 16voice and like the fact that its multimbral. You can split and or layer patches on it wich means you have in fact 2, 8voice rev2’s if you own the 16voice one. Thats the smart marketing of the rev 2. When you layer the 8 voice you only have 4 voices per layer. Im not sure but i think the prologue does not have this function. What sold me on the rev2 tho is the modulation slots. Its possible to controle features with other features. And above that you have a audio modulation env. The way i see the rev 2 is like a analog version of massive or serum but with regular waveshapes.
The Prologue is multi-timbral just like the Rev2 - same idea with the 16 voices. The Rev2's modulation matrix blows the Prologue out of the water in terms of what you can do with it.
@@VultureCulture cool! I was choosing between the rev2 and the prologue when i went to buy my synth:p rev 2 just had some more options so i went with that
I'm honestly considering grabbing a Korg Modwave, I already have a Microfreak and a Microkorg (and some effect pedals), honestly wanting to expand my sound library as much as possible, and I don't mind going into the desktop or boutique world as long as Im able to use one of my synths to control it.. Does anyone have any suggestions in the $500 - $800 price range new or used ?
The Modwave or the WaveState are both great options in terms of giving you crazy flexibility for the price. Otherwise if you want to go software Omnisphere is amazing and will give you everything you need.
@@VultureCulture Thank you, I will definitely check out that software, it's down to Modwave or Hydrasynth for me at this point they are both such beautiful sounding machines...
I don't have direct experience with either but on paper the DM6 smokes the Juno module with 2 more voices, that are analog, and also based off the Juno, except with incredible effects and expanded modulation.
Hey Alex, Have you ever checked out the Arturia Poly Brute? As I stated before, the only 2 synths that I really want over the select few I am keeping is the Korg Prologue and the Arturia Poly Brute. I would think it is worth the money over the rev2, the Novation Peak and even the OB-6. Then again I already have 2 Oberheims. The Matrix is up for sale right now as well as my Minimoog Voyager electric blue. After I get this all situated, maybe, just maybe I will get rid of my OB-XA and get the Behringer UB-XA because I do not agree with Tom Oberheim and his ripoff prices. If the UB-XA is as good as it sounded during beta testing, then I'll support Behringer a little more and have money left over for something else. So please let me know if or when you might find yourself checking out the Arturia Poly Brute. Thanks man! Great content. Well thought out, a lot of research and presented very well! I appreciate your channel!
I've had a ton of synths to through my studio and my Prologue 8 is the only one I will never sell. I regret selling a few over the years and may get a couple back but I'll never sell the 8
Omnisphere additionally requires a computer, a midi keyboard and an audio interface and lots of cabling and has no hardware interface so requires mapping to an external controller or using a mouse etc (and internet access). The cost of these soon stacks up. All the prologue needs is a mains cable and an amp
I'm assuming most people, including yourself, have a perfectly good computer they could run Omnisphere on (it's a plugin from 2008) but fair enough point. I'm still pretty sure you could buy a new computer, an interface, a midi controller and Omnisphere for less than $1,500. But that still is a lot of money for a beginner.
I'm like fighting for my life right now between the prolouge and hydrasynth. You are right about the prolouge, its just oozes blade runner type tones, which is the dream. But the hydrasynth with that ribbon and polyphonic after touch. But is the hydrasynth just like a box wrapped around a vst? The Prologue actually is analog. Thanks man you make good points here. I will continue to battle for my life.
Hydra has phenomenal versatility. But it will never sound like the Prologue in reality. Which is enough to melt your face right off lol. Certainly hydra can produce many things -- but without a lot of tweaking its very difficult to shirk it's fairly flat sound. Prologue was designed for immediate performance, complementary to larger digital stations. In that light, it's simple power is a far greater asset than the pure feature hunters would like to admit. If money is tight however and you're looking to tweak for months on end, Hydra doesn't disappoint. Arguably two different market leans entirely. The performer and the synth head.
I agree that it's difficult to even compare them because they have such different interfaces and sounds. Both are incredible powerhouse synths for different purposes.
Only catch with deepmind is build quality. Its only been 3 month and now I have tons of noise and an extremely unpleasant high pitch (what sounds like a sine wave) sound coming through both headphones and L/R outputs.
I kind of thought they would, considering the XD has the sequencer. Fun fact: the Prologue actually has an LFO per voice making it a fully polyphonic LFO. You can do key tracking and so forth so different keys play at different rates. Such a shame they didn't allow you to cut down the polyphony for some more complex modulations.
Put your hands on a System-8 for 30 minutes and see how you feel about it then. It's not "real" analog, but it's one of the most enjoyable synths to program I've ever used, right up there with the OB-6 (which sounds better than anything since the original OBs) and the Prophet 12. Patches just spill out of the System-8, and having the flavors of the Jupiter, Juno, JX, Promars, 101 and the System-8 synth itself all in one super light package... I got mine used for $1000 shipped and it was worth every penny.
Without a doubt the system 8 has a great layout, and I believe that it could sound great if programmed correctly. I have trouble shelling out even a grand for a VST in a plastic box. However, I totally understand why the system 8 could be the perfect choice for someone else, there is a lot there to be excited about.
@@VultureCulture - LOL, you think an instrument than can be a Jupiter 8, Juno 106, and SH-101 among many other synths "COULD" sound great... but ONLY if "programmed correctly"?? LOLOL. Your head is so far up your butt you can't even hear yourself talking. Just like the Hydrasynth, the Wavestate, the Opsix, the Virus, the Ultranova etc, the System 8 is far more than a VST in a box. It is a musical instrument, designed for people who just want to make fantastic sounds quickly with their hands. The fact that the mechanism for those sounds is all digital is completely and utterly irrelevant.
Jep, go with the DeepMind12! I have both - the XD and the DM12 - and the DM12 has a lot more options - it is a beast, versatile and you get a lot of features for the money - not seen at all for the price tag! 12 voices and a super fat effect section - this is nothing you can expect in other synth for the price! It is a no brainer! :-)
I feel like if you have the money and space, the prologue 8 voice is a perfect synthesizer if you want something different that's not going to be your main synth although it could be if you want that dark, creamy sound. It's not exactly cheap but I've seen them go for about 850 used so for the price I feel like you actually get a very nice sounding keyboard. Not perfect by any means, but you can definitely get some great sounds and textures out of it.
so if i dont have omnisphere and have no intention of buying it which one of these is the best choice? i want to sound design but also like the sound that the minilogue XD/PROLOGUE has
If you were only to have one synth I would go with one of three: The Minilogue XD is the cheapest analog poly and gives you basically everything you get with the Prologue but with four voices (really great) the Behringer Deepmind 12, not much more expensive, great sound design, based on the Juno 106, or the Prophet Rev2, the most expensive but the most premium.
Nice comparison. Seem to be the only one on TH-cam comparing Prologue and Rev 2. I've spent 6 months researching and I still can't decide! Prophet's modulation and Fatar+AT, sequencer + 4pole vs 16 VCOs, better FX, LF comp and tone..
I'm surprised there's not more people covering it. To my eye they're the obvious choices for someone looking for an analog poly. The good news is they both sound great. I think in the video I say this but basically, I prefer the tone of the Prologue/filter, however I have a bunch of synths so the lack of modulation isn't huge to me. If I had to get only one analog poly it would probably be the Rev2.
I know nothing about this. But I need to buy equipment for a super talent song artist and keyboard player. Can you incorporate the rev 2 16 voice module into the prologue 61 key 16 voice analog?
@@VultureCulture I am not sure what I’m talking about. I want to buy the whole prophet rev 2 16 voice module for about 2 grand. And plug it into the prologue 16 with the keyboard. Thanks for response my friend.
Just bought the minilogue xd...should I have gotten the prologue? I’m not highly experienced wit synths, would it not do me any good to have a powerful synth such as the prologue if I’m not highly experienced ? and maybe start off smaller with the xd? Or should I have just got the prologue and went for the bacon. And made it a point to learn. Money wasn’t a concern so I’m wondering if I made the right choice.
Ahahaha well that's awesome, I love the prologue and I think you will too. I have a playlist on my channel of just prologue videos: th-cam.com/play/PLZUsvzlelfZclcel2LkbjuxadF7RwQ9lD.html
I wouldn't dismiss the Peak/Summit. They have very highly advanced VCO's that are from FPGA technology and it is Analog when it goes to the Filter and VCA's. In fact the VCA's are a little noisy which tends to make it very much analog. It's nowhere near the VST sound of the Roland stuff.
I agree that I was too dismissive of the Summit in this discussion. However, the Summit doesn't have VCO's but New Oxford Oscillators (a fancy name for digital.) Which isn't bad, in fact two of my favorite synths, the DW-8000 and the SQ-80 feature the same hybrid architecture.
They are digital oscillators, no matter how much marketing lingo Novation slaps on them. No doubt the "numerically controller oscillators" sound good due to the high oversampling of the FPGA chips, I'm just skeptical that other modern DSP chips aren't capable of the same level sonic fidelity. And they certainly aren't analog.
I have the prologue 8 and I didn’t realize how much I love analog until I got the Hydrasynth. Don’t get me wrong the Hydrasynth is awesome but analog is just beautiful!
I've been thinking about getting a Hydra. The Prologue really does sound amazing. With the digital oscillator and some DirtBoxSynths user oscillators it really is the best of both worlds.
@@VultureCulture I’m new to the synth thing (guitar player) but the Hydrasynth is more a in-depth deep dive. The more I fiddle with it the more I like it.
Horses for courses. Learn the virtues of digital and when it's best used, and it won't be some sort of competition in your mind anymore. The old days of 'justifying my love...for VA/VST" are history.
I bought the rev 2 because it sounds big. Rev 2 16 that is. I compared all in its class money and sound wise. I want a moog sub 37 for that deep rich full bassline sound. This guy on the Rev2 explains why I say it just owns! th-cam.com/video/66vSm53-0b8/w-d-xo.html
Another channel Pink Buddha Academy told this about the Rev2 quote: I love the sound of the Rev2. Don't get me wrong. But I found it hard to integrate into a mix unless I STARTED with a Rev 2 sound. Because it's so hard to program, esp on the fly. I ended up getting to scroll through posts to find something close. To then change, and that's really time consuming. Also, many of the Rev2 sounds are SO thick, and rich, that they take up too much space in the mix of a song. Imho, it's really a synth that wants to be the showpiece - So due to some overlooked design flaws, like the small screen and that there are no very important volume control buttons/sliders mapped, to tweak the individual layer volume - he actually needed to sell it.. The Vulture Culture channel shows his reasons why he opted for the Korg Prologue, but then again I hear people say: If I could only get one - it would be the Summit, without a doubt. The REV2 is a close second. The Prologue isn’t even a consideration. I’d get a DM12 before a Prologue. I’d get a System 8 before a Prologue. I would get a Matriarch before a Prologue and it’s only 4 voice. Honestly, I’d keep my MicroFreak over a Prologue and I’m not just saying that. I’ll gladly take a look at the Prologue revision if it has a switchable filter, aftertouch, a real mod matrix and more LFO’s - So go Novation Summit I guess!? lol..
I will just throw some more for who is interested.. So with the prologue you currently cannot combine delay and reverb. And there is no way of syncing the arp to the BPM. They could also better make a knob instead of switch for DRIVE. And there should have been a highpass filter knob instead of LOW CUT switch. Combining all this info and to stay within some kind of budget and not owning any plugins like omnisphere, getting into the world of synths with just one jack of all trades with a good balance between things like price, quality, usability and durability I start to understand why the fully digital Summit comes out on top, no pun.. lol..
Great video! Great synth! Very unique sound...which is the entire point of having one. Every synth has pros and cons, that's what makes them unique. I don't need a complete modulation matrix on every synth. PS, know what other synth only has 1 LFO? The Jupiter 8...don't see people losing their sh*t about that.
Exactly! If you're going for that classic vintage synth sound it's going to be just one LFO. And by the way, the LFO on the Prologue is polyphonic, not a feature many people talk about.
This was interesting. I really like the System-8. I got it and I love using it. Having the JX, Juno and Jupiter as well as System 8 motor is grand. I am curious about the Korg. But I don't know what to go for.
the system 8 is one of my dream synths. dont super care for the look but ive long been sold on the sound. it's one of the best sounding digitals ive ever heard and with the best emulations of classic rolands you can get in a hardware device. and it's own system 8 engine is definitely nothing to sneeze at
Yeah, I enjoyed the microkorg for what it is but Roland knocked the crap out of virtual analog synths with the Analog Circuit Behavior/ACB they use for the System 8. I had the Sys1 for a bit. If they would have made a better knob for the filter Cutoff and Volume, as they were small and too sensitive, I would have kept it. It can sound like a glassy digital beauty or a crusty, basement dusted analog monster. Been sampling the VST on the free 30 day cloud membership to use for single cycle waveforms in Harmor.
GREAT VIDEO BUT NOW I AM CONFUSED AGAIN WHAT TO BUY :( MY LIST FOR NOW NR1 ELEKTRON ALANLOG FOUR MKII PLUS EXTRA KORG MINILOGUE XD AND YES OMNISPHERE ALWAYS AND FOREVER STILL NO ARTURIA MATRIX BRUTE SETTINGS FOR OMNISPHERE :( SAD AGAIN
Hello! I do not have one so I can't say. The filters sound really good but if you have your heart set on dirty analog it might not be the synth for you (think minilogue xd, prologue, Rev2, even peak/summit)
I own the hydrasynth and summit along with an elektron analog heat. The hydrasynth does not emulate analog as well as the summit yet I can run the hydra through summit prefilter and/or the heat to help with the saturation/character of the hydra's digital signal. Trust me the hydrasynth is what you want in a digital synth though. I learned synthesis at an extremely fast rate with the hydra in a way vsts could not show me. The oscillascope display helps a lot on top of the routing interface which is easy to comprehend. Pretty soon I will be audio processing and working with some of the semi modular functions of the synth. Great product. Also the summit........is incredible. Little light menu diving but it is very easy to get an initialized patch going and sounding great. I like the reverb on the summit almost as much as the strymon blue sky......
Very good review of the offerings in that market. Someone on a forum mentioned than appart from the reissue (and p6) , the Prologue is probably the closest thing to an original Prophet 5 in terms of features.
That's a great way to think about it. The reissue of the P5, emphasizes that number of LFO's and envelopes isn't directly proportional to the value of a synth.
As far as I understand it, the Prologue's signal path is converted to digital before it hit's the effects section, which is fine. It remains an underrated instrument. But don't acquire a Prologue under the romantic ospice that you're getting a super raw, pure analog instrument. And don't discriminate against the Summit for a similar reason, as it's filter is analog, and I'd be surprised if you can't drift the Osc just like you can on the REV2 and the Hydra ....all killer synths. (the digital oscillator and that it exists in tandem with so many analog voices is the sleeper feature on the Prologue IMHO)
OH! Deepmind ....the DCO vs VCO thing is far less important IMHO than the fact the waveform options are so restrained at the beginning of the signal path. I know, it's inspired by (and even offers more than the juno106) there, but that was Not the thing to carry over, a huge mistake IMHO and drastically undermines the value proposition, even at it's pricepoint. So many better options for about the same price.
I agree with all of that and no doubt the Summit is killer. But the Prologue does have a clean analog signal path when the signals are off, which is cool. And I agree about the waveform thing on the Deepmind. It was an interesting hill to die on when they changed so much else about the Juno lol
Loving these Prologue videos, I feel like it doesnt get enough attention. I'm not an omnisphere user, but I've been looking into picking up a new polysynth recently. I got to play with a Prologue a little bit ago and really haven't been able to shake the idea of picking one up since. There really is something special in the Prologue.
The Korg Prologue could have easily been improved with more robust modulation options, but the sound truly is glorious, and unique. I neglected to mention the quality of every component that is in this beast is stellar.
@@VultureCulturedefinitely! Also the aftertouch thing gets people down. But the sound is kind of everything I want a poly to sound like, I really haven't seen a bad sounding video with it. Also you were right on when you said they it evokes a blade runner kind of sound.
@@isjoedigital To fix the lack of expression possibilities, I just bought an enhancia neova, I'm planning on doing some videos with it and the Prologue. I'm hoping adding a ring controller will help me get closer to CS-80 levels of expression, plus I can use it with other synths.
The only synth I own is an ms-20 mini, I would really like a polysynth but I'm not sure where I should begin. I'm looking for something with a beginner friendly interface that has enough features that I don't get the urge to upgrade down the line. Would you recommend the prologue given my situation? Currently the ms-20 mini and a Korg grandstage are my only keys.
How do you like the MS-20? I'm thinking of adding another analog mono synth (use a Moog Voyager). Have you thought about Minilogue XD? The Motion Sequencing is pretty amazing. I use the Minilogue with my Prophet and I love that little machine.
@@MrTownsend the minilogue XD is definitely something I've considered, the fact that it has more features than the prologue is a bit confusing tbh, and a well featured sequencer is attractive. The MS-20 is really nice, it was definitely a good beginner synth to teach myself the basics and it sounds great. My only battle is the tuning, the intonation of my keyboard is way off and none of my local shops know how to correct it. It's out about a semitone per octave, which is borderline unusable in its current state. Might be a sample size of one issue though.
Personally I would opt for the Prologue and maybe the Akai MPC One to sequence both the MS-20 mini and the Prologue. With this you have a powerful sequencer that can sequence your hardware synths and you have a sampling drum machine to create your beats on. That would basically be a hardware set up without the use of a computer. Grab a secondhand 4 track cassette recorder or a 8 track digital recorder and that's a DAWless set up. Alternatively you could get a mixer and record through the mixer to a DAW if you are using one
I notice you made a comment regarding static or something while using the triangle waveform on the VCO. I noticed this on mine as well. What do you make of it?
Couple possibilities. One is I probably shouldn't have been pushing the level too hard, I think I might have been causing some internal clipping by turning the volume all the way up. Another is the wave-folding of the triangle is caused by something like foldback distortion. There could be some minor miscalibration causing it to distort. Either way it's subtle enough that it's kinda cool to chalk it up to the randomness of analog gear.
One more question can you get the same modulation possibilities as you can with the Korg Prologue as far as with the Omnipshere integration goes with REV 2
Omnisphere expands the Prologue to having three LFO's instead of just one, so you're basically there. The Rev2 has an auxillary envelope which is useful for certain sounds that the Prologue is lacking. *However* within Omnisphere you have many, many more modulation routings, envelopes and LFO's than the Rev2 anyway, so it doesn't really matter.
@@VultureCulture so you get he same modulation options if you have the rev 2 with omnisphere integration vs the korg prologue with omnisphere integration?
From the front panel of the synth, no, but that would be true of any synth. The Rev2 doesn't do everything the Prologue does and vice/versa. However, you're never limited in Omnisphere to the front panel of your synth (for instance you could use the OB-6 filter on either of them)
I came for the synths, but when I saw the awesome H.R Giger background I said "this man has taste", so I stayed and watched. Curiously, I am between Rev2 and Prologue for summer 2021 but although the Sound Designer in me wants to go for the Rev2, I must agree that I am towards Prologue because of that "Blade Runner" feeling and the overall sound of it. Spending money on equipment has to make sense, and for me a digital synth nowadays is not something I'd go for. Regardless, that's just my opinion. Thank you for the video. You won my subscription. Peace \m/
I appreciate it! The good news is I think you can't go wrong with either a Prologue or a Rev2, they're both great and you can make incredible sounds with them.
You are so right. Fuck the keys, buy a cheap 61 keys midi controller and get the korg minilogue xd module and done. It's incredible what you get for that money.
The Prophet Rev2 Oscillators are DCVCOs they're analog VCOs but the knob twist is sending digital signal controlling the VCOs. If you said this and I missed it then cool... crack a brew for me too
@@VultureCulture If you need some analog VCO tuning instability on Prophet Rev2 you can add it in controllable way with OSC SLOP in OSCILLATORS. At least it works great in UNISON play mode to create fuzzy timbre like making SuperSaw from plain Sawtooth.
The slop, or now vintage function, is one of the most important features on the Rev2 and something that feels missing from my vintage dco synths like the Alpha Juno 2 and JX-3P.
I love the sound of a prologue but do u think it would be hard to fit a rap vocal on something that sounds so wide and huge? Classic hip hop vocals not auto tuned over processed pop rap vocals btw.
Sure thing, especially if you keep the vocals pretty mono and use the Prologue for very wide pads (which it is great at with all the extra stereo voices)
Even more than the analog/digital hype, I think that the VCO/DCO issue is completely overblown. Everybody loves the Juno 106, which has DCOs. And I have an Oberheim Matrix 6R, which has DCOs, but they still need to be auto-tuned (and still seem to drift). I just don't think that it's worth worrying about. Also, as someone who dealt with drift and scaling issues in the 1970's, having shitty, drifty oscillators is not as great as people make it out to be. I have a Peak and a DM 12D, and I generally find that I prefer the Peak. In fact, making the best use of the DM 12 really requires using the iPad app, whereas, working from the panel on the Peak is pretty easy. But, more than that, I just like the sound of the Peak better. The DM is Ok, and I'm keeping it, but I find it a little unintuitive and a lot of the sounds are boring. I'd probably love a Hydrasynth, but I don't buy Chinese products on principle. The System 8 seems pretty pointless to me. I have the Roland Cloud apps, and the System 8 just runs these on hardware. People often complain that all digital synths are just "VSTs in a box", but I think that it's a somewhat valid criticism for the System 8. I don't have Prologue or the Dave Smith/Sequential/Oberheim models that you mentioned either, but I feel like I have enough analog gear already so that ithey wouldn't give me much more in capabilities.
Roland System 8 comes with sounds of 4 Roland synths. It has the sounds of the Juno 106, Jupiter 8, JX-3P and System 8. And you can buy and substitute other synths such as the Juno 60. The Korg Prologue is true analog. Cool. Buy both and the OB-6 and Summit. Summit was designed by a well known synth guy. Aiyn Zahev, Luke Neptune, GEOSynths have presets for the Summit you can listen to.
Roland System 8 is some digital stuff emulating Roland analog synths produced earlier. It is a bit simpified subtractive synth that does not support a lot of analog synth functionality. But it can also emulate a lot, so it got even some FM synth stuff. It is not easily comparable with analog synth from other companies.
The Prologue is worth it to me for a couple of reasons. I wanted a VCO based polysynth, most of the other options have less voices. Also, I just don't like interacting with software synths, I work on a computer all week and I don't want to have to use one for music too. I work better, I explore more with a good hardware interface. Also, I really like the sound of it. I didn't consider the Rev2 because I've got a Prophet 8, so I have some of that ground covered anyway. The DSI/Sequential synths have a very different sound than the Korg too. Plus it's DCO based, I got that covered with the Prophet 8, Jx3p and Oberheim Matrix 6r.
You got me having second thoughts about buying a digital synth for 2000+ dollars. But i did went with the Jupiter X. mainly becouse of its reintegration of digitally modeled classic analogs🙈
@@VultureCulture I really love your videos man! You're is one of the very few synth channels i watch all videos till the end. Your approach and passion for synths is admireable. I have a d50 for quite some time now and your video on the Hcard750 made me by one as well, been willing for some time but after watching your video on it i was convinced. And YES! The Jupiter Strings!! Anyway, i subbed last week and i look forward to new videos after i watched the old ones, really interesting and dare i say, intruiging videos! Keep up the good work, cheers✌️!
I'm in the same position, Omnisphere user wanting to buy a hardware synth for control (hate the midi controllers with unlabeled knobs, improper layout, etc) and also to have my first irl synth for that use in itself. The main thing that stops me from getting the Prologue is the lack of aftertouch, which is a must for me and one thing I've been lacking in my current setup (been using a digital piano with weighted keys). So I'm thinking Rev2. I was thinking Summit for a while but I tried it out at a store and wasn't crazy about it. Has nothing to do with the digital oscillators though, early on I was wanting analog specifically but I've learned I don't care at all about that, and my dream synth is a Virus TI but $3000 for the keyboard version...will probably end up getting the $2000 module later, but for now I really need a synth-style large keybed with aftertouch. I suppose I could get an Arturia KeyLab but $500 is a lot to spend on a midi controller. The Rev2 seems to be the best option for me in price to quality and with a great keyboard. Deepmind is a great choice but is not for me layout-wise. I love the Prophet layout, probably because one of my early soft synths I spent a lot of time with was a Prophet 5 clone (memorymoon's Messiah). The Minilogue XD module is in definite consideration for a future purchase as well. Any thoughts?
I think the Rev2 is a great choice and the best quality/value on the market. The ASM Hydrasynth has poly aftertouch which is pretty incredible, if you don't care about analog. The Prologue responds to aftertouch now, just the keyboard doesn't send it, for what it's worth.
@@VultureCulture Yeah that poly aftertouch could be interesting. What do you mean by the prologue responds to aftertouch? I don't understand, isn't sending aftertouch through the keyboard the only aspect of aftertouch?
If for studio use only, why not just use omnisphere or diva or whatever, output sound from high quality DAC into a good tube saturator, then back into DAW via high quality interface? Seems a waste of money otherwise...
Minilogue or Minilogue XD? A lot of people love DM12, but I haven't suggested it because I do get a decent number of comments complaining about build quality. I feel more comfortable recommending the Minilogue XD because it sounds amazing, is VCO-based and stood the test of time so far. Just my opinions tho
Hey dude! Love your videos! Just wanted to mention though that the music behind you talking was a little distracting for me. Cant wait to see how this channel grows!
@@VultureCulture thanks from me too..great stuff just a little distracting from what you were talking about..or was that the plan all along? Your evil plan is working...Muahahah!
Interesting review with a clear point of view, thanks. About the Moog One (22:00), there are also people who buy a Ferrari and have it serviced every half a year. It’s a known selling fact that the suffering creates more attachment if you spent huge $$$ 😉… and I find the car comparison not that wacky, more cylinder/ hp = more oscillators. But then if you compare that one oscillator of an original Oberheim SEM (or even the nice SSM oscillators from the Polysix) to the modern ones, you understand that it needs 16 today to achieve the same blast.
Good comparison with the car for sure. The Moog One appeals to a certain kind of buyer - not a typical musician, which is what I'm focused on and who I'm talking to. No doubt the Polysix and SEM have incredible oscillators, but there's nothing in principle stopping makers of synths from creating just as great if not better sounding gear nowadays. Always hard to tell how much nostalgia factors into what we hear. Thanks for the comment!
So, A year ago the Korg Prologue was $1499 for the 16 voice Polyphony. Check Sweetwater right now and it is $1699, a $200 increase since this video came out.
You can’t really compare a DSI to a Behringer for one reason. The DSI is built using highest-quality components that’ll last a lifetime, and the Behringer is admittedly a more flexible synth, but it’s known that the quality of their parts is much lower. Do i want to buy a synth that may not even be worth fixing if it breaks?
Honestly Behringer's synth department has stepped it up massively recently in terms of quality. Sequential and Moog will always be the highest quality products on the market.
Mr. Vulture should do voice over work if he doesnt already. As a former Creative Director, I would buy him out so no one else can use his mellifluous tones.
@@VultureCulture You need a good agent. Put some demos together and I’ll send them out to my former vendors. I was at HBO for 15 years so maybe I still have some juice;) AND your synth reviews are stellar as I start to explore electronic music. Really first class analysis.
@@VultureCulture I do. The cursing is an added bonus. On a somewhat serious synth note, I just picked up a used Grandmother. Needed a Moog in my life as I am a sucker for branding and legacy. But I do want polyphony and analog. So I came to your channel/post about the Prologue/Rev 2. As a neophyte, which should I lean toward to grasp more quickly. Also, overall sound and build quality is important to me as well. Thank you!
I'm trying to work on the cursing to be more "ad friendly" but this is just who I am 🤣 Ah the eternal Rev2 vs Prologue debate. My friend INTRL CMND actually sold his prologue to get a Rev2 and ended up selling that for a Minilogue XD because he preferred the filter sound - which I agree with. However the Take 5 is pretty unbeatable in terms of sound and features and price. Jamie from GEOSynths said it's the best sounding sequential except the ob-6, which is crazy to think about because it's also their cheapest.
Personally I do, however some people think the opposite and, in principal, I think a good synthesist should be able to make any synth sound good for their sound.
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Thanks for thinking out loud and giving me some sense of clarity with the dilemma plaguing me for weeks. Very insightful, articulate, and appreciated.
Glad I could help 🙏
Great video sir. I just bought a Minilogue XD for a lot of the same reasons to bridge the gap between my crazy software synth library. Wish it had 8+ voices though. Although I could pick up a module version as well for 8 voices all day for less $ than the Prologue. What we need is a Prologue 16 XD with 3 LFOs, dedicated sub-osc/noise, 64-step sequencer, and more filter options!
I would love a 16 voice Prologue XD!!
The minilogue is great though, and I'm surprised by how little I use the extra voices with the Prologue
The value of simplicity is underrated. I had a Minilogue found that its limitations were the biggest feature. It was so easy to make something that just sounded great. It was very inspiring to play.
While the Rev2 has more bells and whistles, who's to say that it has the right amount? You can always wish it had something more. And that's where software shines.
So to me if you want to get deep go for software. If you want a great sound that is engaging to play, go for the Prologue.
I agree with all of this!
Rev 2 over Prologue is probably bad advice if you want VCO sound. I bought a Rev 2 and sold it quick, it sounded like a Novation Peak, which is fine, but very digital. The difference between VCO and DCO was obvious, or maybe it was also due to the filter on the Rev 2. I ended up with an OB6 and couldn't be happier.
Came to this video to help me decide between a Rev2 and a Prologue, but got so much more from this video.
Your detailed explanations and how you decide on which synth is for you helped a lot.
Also that Xenomorph canvas is incredible 👌🏾 I'll subscribe for that alone.
Hahaha I'm glad you love her! 🖤
I really appreciate your kind feedback. Both synths are incredible pieces of hardware, but for me the sound of the filter, the VCO's and all the user oscillators and FX put the Prologue over the top. Could totally see someone feeling the exact opposite lol.
Excellent comparison video! I have a (noob) question: I thought I heard you describe the Mini XD as a 4 oscillator synth. Are you adding 3rd party dual oscillators available for the multi-engine to the 2 existing analogue VCOs to get 4? I've had an XD for 2 years now and I still have a ton to explore with the default 3. Thanks!
I should have said 4 voices! Because the Minilogue has 2 VCO's and a third digital oscillator per voice.
Great video. Korg Prologue is an underrated synth with a few handicaps but a hell of a lot of sonic potential. For the $$, it's hard to find something in that price range that can produce the magic it can unleash. You mentioned the drifting voices and I agree its a big plus.
Yes! Hopefully with the release of the Modwave, Opsix etc people will pay more attention to the analog side of Korg.
I picked up the Rev 2 16 voice as soon as they rebranded back to Sequential. The 32X mod matrix is no joke, and the sequencers are super powerful too. Absolutely one of the most flexible non-modular synths under $2,500.
The king!
Before I bought the Sonic Extensions I watched your videos and never regret it. I ordered couple days ago the Minilogue XD Module, it will arrive tomorrow. I think it will be great to control an amazing soft synth AND to make sounds with the hardware. After buying Push 3 and effect pedals I realised how much I hate to make music with the mouse. I feel like people don't appreciate the hardware integration thing enough, thank you for this nice video
I'm glad you've been enjoying my videos! The Minilogue XD is one of the greatest sounding synths!!
I got the Prologue8 new for $850 and it was worth every penny. I don't ever run into voice stealing and the timbre options are pretty accessible in the menus. It seems to be a popular synth for the Synthwave, Post-Punk, Post-Rock crowd.
Agreed with all of that!
This young man gets it. He's got what it takes to produce and narrate videos. He's right on about the Prologue.
I appreciate it! 🖤
Prologue was my first hardware synth - it's a great machine and opened the floodgates of hardware for me. It's been on every single one of my songs since and I will never sell!
One of the best tips for new Prologue users is to go pick up the filter pack from Dirtbox synth and all the free user FX from Hammondeggs. Having an extra highpass filter or VCA tremolo/autopan is a game changer for sound design.
I've really been enjoying it too!
I'll look into the dirtbox synth stuff for sure! Thank you for the tip
thanks for the tip
I have the first minilogue, the XD which I bought because I thought it covered what the prologue could do in terms of sound quality and types, at least on paper the sound engines are virtually the same, and the XD appears more capable with motion sequencing. One day I had the chance to side by side compare both a prologue and moog one side by side in a quiet room. I was blown away by the Prologue. The sound is much more analog and inspiring than the moog. The Prologue is insanely alive, where the moog one has a high quality to it, its overall dull by comparison. That simple. For the price the moog is a loser. If I had I had infinite money and tIme to waste on it, sure I would have a moog-one besides my better synths. So after I was finished comparing the both, and already full-well knowing how the XD sounded since I bought that one months before the Prologue, I knew the Prologue had at least one fundamental difference that was obvious in it's VCO's compared to the XD. When you turn either of the frequency knobs on the Prologue versus the frequency knobs on the XD, it is like night and day in the way the pitch changes on the Prologue......its the blade runner "effect". You cannot get this on the XD no matter what you try. So it appears the Prologue is either sampling the knob position a lot faster and/or with finer resolution or there is a fundamental difference in the VCO's. I haven't dug any deeper into why this is, like look at the schematics of both, but I know other prologues I've played since buying mine respond the same way, and other XD's I've played since dont respond like that at all, and just like most of all the other synths do, the XD responds flatly, dulley with no life as you sweep the pitch up or down. Try doing this on a Prologue and you'll understand why this is the best sounding, best deal hands-down for the price for a "real" analog polysynth that uses full-on VCO's and has patch memory unlike so many of the Behringer except the deepmind. I have a deepmind too, and while I love it, it doesn't exceed or equal anything to the Prologue except some modulations routings and other minor but still useful features. I also have the Rev2 and prophet 10. The Rev2 has a great sound and can get somewhat close to that of a real vco if you program it correctly, and the synth is very inspiring. The prophet 10 is an equal to the Prologue in my opinion as far as the particular type of musical inspiration a real vco synth gives you, and actually so far I have been able to more easily create better, more inspiring, evocative textures / patches on the Prologue than the P10. I'm pretty sure my P10 has it in it to match up to that level, but just saying that for each hour I've spent so far on sound design using each synth, I've achieved much better results using my Prologue. Btw, for most sounds the XD is equal in that is matches up pretty much exactly to the Prologue. But overall, the Prologue is superior and for some sounds the XD will never match up to the Prologue. Prologue is defintely worth the money for theb16 voice version.
Great to hear from you! Lucky to have a P10 and a Rev2 in your collection as well! Shocking that the Moog One didn't live up to the Prologue for you
Great comparison! I have the Hydrasynth, System8, Deepmind12, MinilogueXD and you are spot on with the comments. I'm happy as I just picked up a Prologue16 for £850! The question is will I still keep the MinilogueXD.
They seem to be good for different things. I just saw Vamp Acid on perform at Knobcon on a Monologue XD and it was a sick sequencer-based set.
The Rev2 uses DCO's so that's probably why it sounds so different from the Prologue. But you can actually use the gate sequencer to recreate VCO behavior which has been a game changer with the base sounds you can make as a starting point!
No doubt the Rev2 can sound really good, especially with the slop knob.
I think the filter makes the biggest difference. You lose a lot of bass when you crank the resonance.
@@VultureCulture Using the gated sequencer to add slop is nicer, search for "Rev2 Voice Component Modeling" on TH-cam
The preset sequenzes from the minilogue sounds just amazing. I think there are a lot to start a nice track and make the lead sound and other things on a second synth with 8 or 12 voices.
I agree!
Thanks for your time investigating these synths. So helpful. I am looking for a go to analog synth, and had been considering the prologue, but now will consider the Beringer. Again, thank you.
Glad to help 🙏
@@VultureCulture I'm using Logic ProX. It has some nice sounding soft synths. Can you reccomend a hardware synth that would interface well so I could use its knobs to control the soft synths knobs? Maybe a hardware synth (Korg:)) that also sounds good on its own?
Thanks for your channel and sharing your research.
That's tough. Omnisphere had great hardware integration, but if you're using other synths like the amazing Alchemy in Logic then you can use any midi controller with knobs and faders and midi learn them.
If you do choose to go with a hardware synth, definitely go with something you like the sound of. Don't be afraid to go cheap if you plan to use it mostly to control soft synths.
@@VultureCulture .
I have a MOXF I'll try the learn function with. Thanks again for your help.
Great Video - just saw it now and need to completely review my decision for my new analog synth. Just needed to subscribe because of this cool comparisons. Thanks :o)
Glad to help! 🙏
Good explanation. I think the big takeaway that people need to really consider when watching overviews or comparisons is keeping in mind what they’re looking for a synth to do and how it fits in with the rest of their hardware and software. And it makes sense if you want a poly with VCOs that plays nice with Omnisphere. If someone doesn’t already have the $500 software synth then yeah, maybe something like a Rev 2 makes more sense on the sound design side. Or Hydrasynth. Or even a Peak. Now that they’ve added user wave tables it’s super flexible if you don’t already have a software system that covers the same ground. Assuming someone actually cares about the sound design side.
Good job on keeping this in context of fitting in with the other tools you want this to work with. Most important is that an instrument inspires someone to play. So if you have something that sounds good that you can just mess around with away from the computer, which also adds a good tactile interface on the software side, that’s pretty handy. I find software synths super handy but often incredibly boring to work with without the right interface so I get way more use out of some mono synths that are less capable but just more fun to use.
This is a great and insightful comment, thank you 🙏
yeah your comment is great i agree totally
Deep mind 12 is so underrated it's one of the best synths on the market especially for that price point but the Behringer stigma holds it back but I think overtime people will realise how much of a classic it is
hello! I'm a bass player and I'm about to buy a Prologue. I want a synth to play Bass. I already have a Moog sub phatty, which I want to use both for live play, the Moog for 808 and the Prologue for Sub Synth Bass. It makes sense?
I think a minilogue XD would be fine for bass, since you wouldn't need the extra voices. Something to consider!
Very nice video!!! I have prologue 8 and im little bit confused in sythetizers at all. Im a begginer in it. I just want to ask you, If its possible to delete some of preset sounds. I dont like all of them and I wish i could clear it. Thank you🌱
I believe you can using the librarian downloaded for free from the Korg website. www.korg.com/us/products/synthesizers/prologue/librarian_contents.php
After revisiting this video again. I recently bought a Rev2 as it was a borrow since my Jupiter X was being repaired.
After just a few minuts of playing i was already won over by the Prophet but i did not wanted to part with the Jupiter X either so i decided to keep them both..
I also got some Roland Romplers and a Microkorg XL.
But the Threesome of the D50, Jupiter X and Prophet Rev 2 is MAGNIFICENT!!
That sounds almost as good as some of the threesomes I've had! 😂
@@VultureCulture And there was I, thinking i could not be topped😂 Hats off to you sir🤠
This is a remarkable analog synth comparison /review. The absolute best I've seen. Thank you.
So glad you found it helpful! 🙏
Can you tell what hardware synth or plugins was used for the insane saw bass in the track ZHU lost it?
Hard to know just by listening, but I found this quote from Zhu: I use Logic as my DAW, and i also use analog synths like the Dave Smith Evolver, and Moog. Software synths... i have a bunch too. Sylenth, Linplug, Gladiator, Rapture, Native Instrumentents, Ohmforce, Minimoonsta. Live set up is traktor s4
Today got my new Behringer DeepMind 6 (bought it cause of size and a little bit lower price instead of 16).
And yes, this is my first hardware analogue synthesizer, but I know the basics and can create some sounds. But, with DeepMind it's reeeally hard, I don't know why, but it has like too many options and I think I'll need about a month to learn just how to use it. I hope this was right choice and I can use DeepMind to do what I want.
I've tried Minilogue XD in a shop and it was much easier to create a sound in some minutes, whereas DeepMind is really harder to get the thing you want from.
Oh for sure. That's the beauty of the minilogue xd, but some say it's too simple
Great video! Thanks for your analysis. Any thoughts on the nymphes as a six voice analog on a budget?
I think it's great! Wish the reverb was stereo. I don't think it's as versatile as a Minilogue XD - but the thing it does, it does really well.
Nymphes and Typhon together would pretty much cover your bases for analog.
Just a little clarification....the REV 2 has a gated sequencer (4 lanes) which is a motion sequencer....so it's not short of that...thank god ....and Dave Smith :)
My bad! Yeah the motion sequencing is a big feature missing from the Prologue, I can't believe they didn't incorporate it. Thanks for the clarification!
Another advantage of the Rev 2 is aftertouch. Don‘t know the Prologue keybed, but the Fatar of the Rev 2 is perfect for me.
I think you made the right decision. The Prologue sounds amazing and it's $1500 for 16 voices. People complain about lack of modulation options and features (e.g. just one lfo) etc but I think the macro oscillator mitigates that to a greater extent because you can get the waveforms you would typically aim for via a modulation matrix right at the start of the signal flow. You don't need a modulation matrix if you have a macro oscillator. Or rather, you need it less.
For sure! For what it's worth the user osc can have lfos built in and running the synth bitimbrally allows more lfos and the lfos can be polyphonic
Have a look at rev2 using the sequencer to do slight voice detuning, gives it real old school warmth without using slop. Also rev2 Keybed is on of the best. I have rev2 16 voice. Unbeatable unless you want Sem filter from ob-6, which is pure bliss.
No doubt the Rev2 is top notch
Bought a Rev 2 with a desire for analog poly warmth and lushness, quickly sold and bought OB-6. I just didn't know at first.
@@_EightySix Mate I completely understand, rev 2 is more sharp and chirpy " Out of the box" but warmth can be found. See Robust American patches for REV2 on youtube. They show its capabilities well I think. OB-6 as I mentioned is the 80's in a box and is warm from the get go. Patch 007 Broken EP is worth 50% of the price IMHO and I think may be the greatest patch of all time.... (Completely debatable Ha Ha).
@@passivehouseaustralia4406 lol, gonna check out 007 as soon as I get back near the OB.
I can't decide between getting the Minilogue XD and Bass Station II (possibly both) or only getting a Hydrasynth or maybe the DeepMind 12. I'm still fairly new to synths. Purchased the Roland Gaia a little while ago Thoughts or suggestions on these synths?? Two smaller synths XD and BS II or the bigger more complete Hydra or DM 12?
For reference, I do mostly my own music creation and some classic rock. Typically for home studio and coffee house smaller gigs.
If all of my synths burned in a fire and I had to rebuy out of the synths you mentioned, this is the order in which I would buy them:
Minilogue XD
Hydrasynth
Deepmind 12
Bass Station
The Hydra is a beast but might be a little too complex for what you're looking to do. I think the Minilogue or DM12 are the best beginner options. I recommend trying to spend as little as possible for your needs at first, and make purchases slowly to fill gaps in what you have covered sonically.
Hope that helps!
@@VultureCulture Thanks! It helps a lot. It was your videos that really directed my attention to both the Prologue 16 and the Minilogue XD and made me aware of what they are capable of. I can't put my finger on it exactly but nothing moves me quite like the sounds these two synths can create. They have that old school appeal and more modern sounds all in one. As you noted, if we were rich we'd have several different favorites in our studios. Lol
I really think the Minilogue XD is an amazing synth at an amazing price point.
@@VultureCulture I would really like to get the Prologue 8, but for the price and what a person is getting do you think the Minilogue XD is the better deal?
Personally I think the XD module with a midi controller is the way to go. Unless you go Prologue 16 so you have enough voices to go bitimbral.
Awsome video, touched on everything perfectly!
Thank you 🙏🙏🙏
"Here's the thing about this bitch..." haha!
I am incapable of making it through a video without cursing, I'm glad you thought it was funny!
Nice content too, man! Good job on this.
Rest In Peace, Vangelis (and Dave Smith). Thx for this. I'm picking up a prologue 8 for $800 CDN local tomorrow and so can skip the XD. Price too good to pass up. Would love the 16 by 8 may do. I'm so dumb for not knowing about these Omnisphere mappings. Thx for this too. I've already got some on the list so instantly useful. The Rev 2 is sill on the "to do" list. If that behringer pro-800 actually comes out this new year it will get further pushed back. And thumbs up on the Deepmind 12(D), best FX on any machine, like having a built-in and better, integrated, Zoom MS-70CDR. The System 1m I love, though unfortunately not all plug-outs available for it, including 106 and 60, and only 4 voice.
All really great recommendations! Enjoy the Prologue! It's my favorite modern synth
I haven't tried the Rev2, but the Korg's keyboard feels like playing butter. I love it. And I've had a lot of synths. It's also a gorgeous synth.
The Korg Prologue's keybed is my favorite I've ever played. I never cared too much about the quality of keybeds until I played this one's. Wow.
the rev2 has the nicer keybed imo. I'ts a bit firmer so velocity is more usable. Also note that the prologue does not have aftertouch, though it can recieve it, when triggered externally. But if you really want a good keybed, skip the synths and get a doepfer lmk2 or something similar with a real hammer action.
Hey bros , i would like to make music sounds like soviet post punk , molchat doma what should i buy ?
Good news is you don't need much to get that raw sound. If you want to go analog I'd recommend a Dreadbox Typhon or Hades, Minilogue XD, Minifreak or Take 5 depending on budget.
personally i own the rev2 16voice and like the fact that its multimbral. You can split and or layer patches on it wich means you have in fact 2, 8voice rev2’s if you own the 16voice one. Thats the smart marketing of the rev 2. When you layer the 8 voice you only have 4 voices per layer. Im not sure but i think the prologue does not have this function.
What sold me on the rev2 tho is the modulation slots. Its possible to controle features with other features. And above that you have a audio modulation env. The way i see the rev 2 is like a analog version of massive or serum but with regular waveshapes.
The Prologue is multi-timbral just like the Rev2 - same idea with the 16 voices.
The Rev2's modulation matrix blows the Prologue out of the water in terms of what you can do with it.
@@VultureCulture cool! I was choosing between the rev2 and the prologue when i went to buy my synth:p rev 2 just had some more options so i went with that
It's a great choice!
I'm honestly considering grabbing a Korg Modwave, I already have a Microfreak and a Microkorg (and some effect pedals), honestly wanting to expand my sound library as much as possible, and I don't mind going into the desktop or boutique world as long as Im able to use one of my synths to control it.. Does anyone have any suggestions in the $500 - $800 price range new or used ?
The Modwave or the WaveState are both great options in terms of giving you crazy flexibility for the price.
Otherwise if you want to go software Omnisphere is amazing and will give you everything you need.
@@VultureCulture Thank you, I will definitely check out that software, it's down to Modwave or Hydrasynth for me at this point they are both such beautiful sounding machines...
Can't go wrong with either!
which synth do you think its worth and more reliable? the ju06a module or the deepmind 6? thanks for replying
I don't have direct experience with either but on paper the DM6 smokes the Juno module with 2 more voices, that are analog, and also based off the Juno, except with incredible effects and expanded modulation.
@@VultureCulture okay thanks!
Hey Alex,
Have you ever checked out the Arturia Poly Brute? As I stated before, the only 2 synths that I really want over the select few I am keeping is the Korg Prologue and the Arturia Poly Brute. I would think it is worth the money over the rev2, the Novation Peak and even the OB-6. Then again I already have 2 Oberheims. The Matrix is up for sale right now as well as my Minimoog Voyager electric blue. After I get this all situated, maybe, just maybe I will get rid of my OB-XA and get the Behringer UB-XA because I do not agree with Tom Oberheim and his ripoff prices. If the UB-XA is as good as it sounded during beta testing, then I'll support Behringer a little more and have money left over for something else. So please let me know if or when you might find yourself checking out the Arturia Poly Brute. Thanks man! Great content. Well thought out, a lot of research and presented very well! I appreciate your channel!
Thank you very much 🙏
I currently don't see myself reviewing the PolyBrute - more because I'm just way down the vintage rabbit hole 🤣
@@VultureCulture That is cool and completely understandable! Thanks for what you do!
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Thank you so much 🙏
I've had a ton of synths to through my studio and my Prologue 8 is the only one I will never sell. I regret selling a few over the years and may get a couple back but I'll never sell the 8
It's really much better than people think!
Regarding the Behringer Deepmind12, there is just shallow menu-diving - the menus are logic, intuitive and fast.
Yes, I think it's a great option!
Omnisphere additionally requires a computer, a midi keyboard and an audio interface and lots of cabling and has no hardware interface so requires mapping to an external controller or using a mouse etc (and internet access). The cost of these soon stacks up. All the prologue needs is a mains cable and an amp
I'm assuming most people, including yourself, have a perfectly good computer they could run Omnisphere on (it's a plugin from 2008) but fair enough point.
I'm still pretty sure you could buy a new computer, an interface, a midi controller and Omnisphere for less than $1,500. But that still is a lot of money for a beginner.
I sent this to my Mrs so she can hear what I’m thinking about out loud 😂 thank you
Hahahahaha awesome
I'm like fighting for my life right now between the prolouge and hydrasynth. You are right about the prolouge, its just oozes blade runner type tones, which is the dream. But the hydrasynth with that ribbon and polyphonic after touch. But is the hydrasynth just like a box wrapped around a vst? The Prologue actually is analog. Thanks man you make good points here. I will continue to battle for my life.
Ultimately they're both great choices.
Thank you for checking out the video 🙏
Hydra has phenomenal versatility. But it will never sound like the Prologue in reality. Which is enough to melt your face right off lol. Certainly hydra can produce many things -- but without a lot of tweaking its very difficult to shirk it's fairly flat sound. Prologue was designed for immediate performance, complementary to larger digital stations. In that light, it's simple power is a far greater asset than the pure feature hunters would like to admit. If money is tight however and you're looking to tweak for months on end, Hydra doesn't disappoint. Arguably two different market leans entirely. The performer and the synth head.
I agree that it's difficult to even compare them because they have such different interfaces and sounds. Both are incredible powerhouse synths for different purposes.
Only catch with deepmind is build quality. Its only been 3 month and now I have tons of noise and an extremely unpleasant high pitch (what sounds like a sine wave) sound coming through both headphones and L/R outputs.
Ugh I'm sorry man, that's a real bummer to hear.
Спасибо за видео! Вы мне помогли с выбором ❤
Glad you enjoyed it!
Would be nice if Korg came out with an advanced Prologue Xd 16 voices with multiple filters and a sequencer
Of course multiple LFO
I kind of thought they would, considering the XD has the sequencer.
Fun fact: the Prologue actually has an LFO per voice making it a fully polyphonic LFO. You can do key tracking and so forth so different keys play at different rates. Such a shame they didn't allow you to cut down the polyphony for some more complex modulations.
I’d be happy about a minilogue xd 8 already that doesn’t involve 2 boxes with the downsides that brings
Put your hands on a System-8 for 30 minutes and see how you feel about it then. It's not "real" analog, but it's one of the most enjoyable synths to program I've ever used, right up there with the OB-6 (which sounds better than anything since the original OBs) and the Prophet 12. Patches just spill out of the System-8, and having the flavors of the Jupiter, Juno, JX, Promars, 101 and the System-8 synth itself all in one super light package... I got mine used for $1000 shipped and it was worth every penny.
Without a doubt the system 8 has a great layout, and I believe that it could sound great if programmed correctly. I have trouble shelling out even a grand for a VST in a plastic box. However, I totally understand why the system 8 could be the perfect choice for someone else, there is a lot there to be excited about.
hostnik 💯
I have a room full of synths and The System 8 holds it’s own. Calling the System 8 a plug-in in a box is just ignorant on so many levels.
@@VultureCulture - LOL, you think an instrument than can be a Jupiter 8, Juno 106, and SH-101 among many other synths "COULD" sound great... but ONLY if "programmed correctly"?? LOLOL. Your head is so far up your butt you can't even hear yourself talking. Just like the Hydrasynth, the Wavestate, the Opsix, the Virus, the Ultranova etc, the System 8 is far more than a VST in a box. It is a musical instrument, designed for people who just want to make fantastic sounds quickly with their hands. The fact that the mechanism for those sounds is all digital is completely and utterly irrelevant.
I'm on a budget and I'm between Korg Minilogue XD and Behringer Deepmind. I leaning towards the Deepmind at the moment.
Both are great, you really can't go wrong
Get the deepmind 12! MinilogueXD only has 4 voices.
Jep, go with the DeepMind12! I have both - the XD and the DM12 - and the DM12 has a lot more options - it is a beast, versatile and you get a lot of features for the money - not seen at all for the price tag! 12 voices and a super fat effect section - this is nothing you can expect in other synth for the price! It is a no brainer! :-)
I feel like if you have the money and space, the prologue 8 voice is a perfect synthesizer if you want something different that's not going to be your main synth although it could be if you want that dark, creamy sound. It's not exactly cheap but I've seen them go for about 850 used so for the price I feel like you actually get a very nice sounding keyboard. Not perfect by any means, but you can definitely get some great sounds and textures out of it.
Totally agree!
I got a Prologue 8 with Micro Cube GX amp (both in excellent shape) for $600 recently, just got to have a healthy fb marketplace/craigslist addiction!
That's awesome!
so if i dont have omnisphere and have no intention of buying it which one of these is the best choice? i want to sound design but also like the sound that the minilogue XD/PROLOGUE has
If you were only to have one synth I would go with one of three: The Minilogue XD is the cheapest analog poly and gives you basically everything you get with the Prologue but with four voices (really great) the Behringer Deepmind 12, not much more expensive, great sound design, based on the Juno 106, or the Prophet Rev2, the most expensive but the most premium.
@@VultureCulture thank you
Nice comparison. Seem to be the only one on TH-cam comparing Prologue and Rev 2. I've spent 6 months researching and I still can't decide! Prophet's modulation and Fatar+AT, sequencer + 4pole vs 16 VCOs, better FX, LF comp and tone..
I'm surprised there's not more people covering it. To my eye they're the obvious choices for someone looking for an analog poly.
The good news is they both sound great. I think in the video I say this but basically, I prefer the tone of the Prologue/filter, however I have a bunch of synths so the lack of modulation isn't huge to me. If I had to get only one analog poly it would probably be the Rev2.
I know nothing about this. But I need to buy equipment for a super talent song artist and keyboard player. Can you incorporate the rev 2 16 voice module into the prologue 61 key 16 voice analog?
Hey! Welcome to the wild world of synthesis.
The Rev2 voice expander card does not integrate into the Prologue, if I understand your question.
@@VultureCulture I am not sure what I’m talking about. I want to buy the whole prophet rev 2 16 voice module for about 2 grand. And plug it into the prologue 16 with the keyboard. Thanks for response my friend.
Do you mean you want to play the Rev2 module with a Prologue keyboard? To do that all you need is a midi cable. Does that answer your question?
Just bought the minilogue xd...should I have gotten the prologue? I’m not highly experienced wit synths, would it not do me any good to have a powerful synth such as the prologue if I’m not highly experienced ? and maybe start off smaller with the xd? Or should I have just got the prologue and went for the bacon. And made it a point to learn. Money wasn’t a concern so I’m wondering if I made the right choice.
Honestly I think the XD is a great choice for a beginner. Its a great synth, no shame in working with four voices
@@VultureCulture thanks for the fast feedback man your on point with that. I canceled the order and got the prologue 😅 wish me luck. Subbed.
Ahahaha well that's awesome, I love the prologue and I think you will too. I have a playlist on my channel of just prologue videos: th-cam.com/play/PLZUsvzlelfZclcel2LkbjuxadF7RwQ9lD.html
@@VultureCulture good man! I appreciate that I will definitely be checkin those out 💪🏼✊🏼🙏🏼
I wouldn't dismiss the Peak/Summit. They have very highly advanced VCO's that are from FPGA technology and it is Analog when it goes to the Filter and VCA's. In fact the VCA's are a little noisy which tends to make it very much analog. It's nowhere near the VST sound of the Roland stuff.
I agree that I was too dismissive of the Summit in this discussion. However, the Summit doesn't have VCO's but New Oxford Oscillators (a fancy name for digital.) Which isn't bad, in fact two of my favorite synths, the DW-8000 and the SQ-80 feature the same hybrid architecture.
No, they're not digital, they're numeric. The difference is important if you're after an analog sound. Worth digging deeper.
They are digital oscillators, no matter how much marketing lingo Novation slaps on them. No doubt the "numerically controller oscillators" sound good due to the high oversampling of the FPGA chips, I'm just skeptical that other modern DSP chips aren't capable of the same level sonic fidelity.
And they certainly aren't analog.
The Korg 'Sounds like Blade Runner to me'... SOLD, SIR
Hahaha yes
I have the prologue 8 and I didn’t realize how much I love analog until I got the Hydrasynth. Don’t get me wrong the Hydrasynth is awesome but analog is just beautiful!
I've been thinking about getting a Hydra.
The Prologue really does sound amazing. With the digital oscillator and some DirtBoxSynths user oscillators it really is the best of both worlds.
@@VultureCulture I’m new to the synth thing (guitar player) but the Hydrasynth is more a in-depth deep dive. The more I fiddle with it the more I like it.
It's clearly a very deep instrument, by contrast the Prologue gives you great-sounding results fast.
@@VultureCulture 👍
Horses for courses.
Learn the virtues of digital and when it's best used, and it won't be some sort of competition in your mind anymore. The old days of 'justifying my love...for VA/VST" are history.
I bought the rev 2 because it sounds big. Rev 2 16 that is. I compared all in its class money and sound wise. I want a moog sub 37 for that deep rich full bassline sound.
This guy on the Rev2 explains why I say it just owns! th-cam.com/video/66vSm53-0b8/w-d-xo.html
Another channel Pink Buddha Academy told this about the Rev2 quote: I love the sound of the Rev2. Don't get me wrong. But I found it hard to integrate into a mix unless I STARTED with a Rev 2 sound. Because it's so hard to program, esp on the fly. I ended up getting to scroll through posts to find something close. To then change, and that's really time consuming. Also, many of the Rev2 sounds are SO thick, and rich, that they take up too much space in the mix of a song. Imho, it's really a synth that wants to be the showpiece - So due to some overlooked design flaws, like the small screen and that there are no very important volume control buttons/sliders mapped, to tweak the individual layer volume - he actually needed to sell it.. The Vulture Culture channel shows his reasons why he opted for the Korg Prologue, but then again I hear people say: If I could only get one - it would be the Summit, without a doubt. The REV2 is a close second. The Prologue isn’t even a consideration. I’d get a DM12 before a Prologue. I’d get a System 8 before a Prologue. I would get a Matriarch before a Prologue and it’s only 4 voice.
Honestly, I’d keep my MicroFreak over a Prologue and I’m not just saying that. I’ll gladly take a look at the Prologue revision if it has a switchable filter, aftertouch, a real mod matrix and more LFO’s - So go Novation Summit I guess!? lol..
Those are all great points!
I will just throw some more for who is interested.. So with the prologue you currently cannot combine delay and reverb. And there is no way of syncing the arp to the BPM. They could also better make a knob instead of switch for DRIVE. And there should have been a highpass filter knob instead of LOW CUT switch. Combining all this info and to stay within some kind of budget and not owning any plugins like omnisphere, getting into the world of synths with just one jack of all trades with a good balance between things like price, quality, usability and durability I start to understand why the fully digital Summit comes out on top, no pun.. lol..
Great video! Great synth! Very unique sound...which is the entire point of having one. Every synth has pros and cons, that's what makes them unique. I don't need a complete modulation matrix on every synth. PS, know what other synth only has 1 LFO? The Jupiter 8...don't see people losing their sh*t about that.
Exactly! If you're going for that classic vintage synth sound it's going to be just one LFO. And by the way, the LFO on the Prologue is polyphonic, not a feature many people talk about.
This was interesting. I really like the System-8. I got it and I love using it. Having the JX, Juno and Jupiter as well as System 8 motor is grand. I am curious about the Korg. But I don't know what to go for.
I've softened on the System 8, as I do think it's a powerful layout and the plugout options are great.
the system 8 is one of my dream synths. dont super care for the look but ive long been sold on the sound. it's one of the best sounding digitals ive ever heard and with the best emulations of classic rolands you can get in a hardware device. and it's own system 8 engine is definitely nothing to sneeze at
I'm there with you, I absolutely think there's a target market for it, it's just not me.
Yeah, I enjoyed the microkorg for what it is but Roland knocked the crap out of virtual analog synths with the Analog Circuit Behavior/ACB they use for the System 8. I had the Sys1 for a bit. If they would have made a better knob for the filter Cutoff and Volume, as they were small and too sensitive, I would have kept it. It can sound like a glassy digital beauty or a crusty, basement dusted analog monster. Been sampling the VST on the free 30 day cloud membership to use for single cycle waveforms in Harmor.
GREAT VIDEO BUT NOW I AM CONFUSED AGAIN WHAT TO BUY :( MY LIST FOR NOW NR1 ELEKTRON ALANLOG FOUR MKII
PLUS EXTRA KORG MINILOGUE XD AND YES OMNISPHERE ALWAYS AND FOREVER STILL NO ARTURIA MATRIX BRUTE SETTINGS FOR OMNISPHERE :( SAD AGAIN
Hai Vulture, can you telle me if teh The ASM Hydrasynth also makes dirty analog sounds. The vids i found are all kinda clean.
Hello!
I do not have one so I can't say. The filters sound really good but if you have your heart set on dirty analog it might not be the synth for you (think minilogue xd, prologue, Rev2, even peak/summit)
I own the hydrasynth and summit along with an elektron analog heat.
The hydrasynth does not emulate analog as well as the summit yet I can run the hydra through summit prefilter and/or the heat to help with the saturation/character of the hydra's digital signal.
Trust me the hydrasynth is what you want in a digital synth though. I learned synthesis at an extremely fast rate with the hydra in a way vsts could not show me. The oscillascope display helps a lot on top of the routing interface which is easy to comprehend. Pretty soon I will be audio processing and working with some of the semi modular functions of the synth. Great product.
Also the summit........is incredible. Little light menu diving but it is very easy to get an initialized patch going and sounding great. I like the reverb on the summit almost as much as the strymon blue sky......
Very good review of the offerings in that market. Someone on a forum mentioned than appart from the reissue (and p6) , the Prologue is probably the closest thing to an original Prophet 5 in terms of features.
That's a great way to think about it. The reissue of the P5, emphasizes that number of LFO's and envelopes isn't directly proportional to the value of a synth.
Nice video. Liked how you dragged other synths into the mix for comparison.
I appreciate it!
As far as I understand it, the Prologue's signal path is converted to digital before it hit's the effects section, which is fine. It remains an underrated instrument. But don't acquire a Prologue under the romantic ospice that you're getting a super raw, pure analog instrument. And don't discriminate against the Summit for a similar reason, as it's filter is analog, and I'd be surprised if you can't drift the Osc just like you can on the REV2 and the Hydra ....all killer synths. (the digital oscillator and that it exists in tandem with so many analog voices is the sleeper feature on the Prologue IMHO)
OH! Deepmind ....the DCO vs VCO thing is far less important IMHO than the fact the waveform options are so restrained at the beginning of the signal path. I know, it's inspired by (and even offers more than the juno106) there, but that was Not the thing to carry over, a huge mistake IMHO and drastically undermines the value proposition, even at it's pricepoint. So many better options for about the same price.
I agree with all of that and no doubt the Summit is killer. But the Prologue does have a clean analog signal path when the signals are off, which is cool.
And I agree about the waveform thing on the Deepmind. It was an interesting hill to die on when they changed so much else about the Juno lol
Loving these Prologue videos, I feel like it doesnt get enough attention. I'm not an omnisphere user, but I've been looking into picking up a new polysynth recently. I got to play with a Prologue a little bit ago and really haven't been able to shake the idea of picking one up since. There really is something special in the Prologue.
The Korg Prologue could have easily been improved with more robust modulation options, but the sound truly is glorious, and unique. I neglected to mention the quality of every component that is in this beast is stellar.
@@VultureCulturedefinitely! Also the aftertouch thing gets people down. But the sound is kind of everything I want a poly to sound like, I really haven't seen a bad sounding video with it. Also you were right on when you said they it evokes a blade runner kind of sound.
@@isjoedigital To fix the lack of expression possibilities, I just bought an enhancia neova, I'm planning on doing some videos with it and the Prologue. I'm hoping adding a ring controller will help me get closer to CS-80 levels of expression, plus I can use it with other synths.
@@VultureCulture nice, would def be in checking out that video.
Now the Roland Juno x came out. Its digital but it sounds just damn amazing good and realy analog too.
Definitely a compelling synth for a lot of people!
The only synth I own is an ms-20 mini, I would really like a polysynth but I'm not sure where I should begin. I'm looking for something with a beginner friendly interface that has enough features that I don't get the urge to upgrade down the line. Would you recommend the prologue given my situation? Currently the ms-20 mini and a Korg grandstage are my only keys.
How do you like the MS-20? I'm thinking of adding another analog mono synth (use a Moog Voyager). Have you thought about Minilogue XD? The Motion Sequencing is pretty amazing. I use the Minilogue with my Prophet and I love that little machine.
@@MrTownsend the minilogue XD is definitely something I've considered, the fact that it has more features than the prologue is a bit confusing tbh, and a well featured sequencer is attractive. The MS-20 is really nice, it was definitely a good beginner synth to teach myself the basics and it sounds great. My only battle is the tuning, the intonation of my keyboard is way off and none of my local shops know how to correct it. It's out about a semitone per octave, which is borderline unusable in its current state. Might be a sample size of one issue though.
@@b.c.2281 I would look at a combi of the Minilogue XD for pads/sequencer and MS-20 for gnarly bass and leads! Would be a slick setup!
I think the Minilogue XD module with a great midi controller is pretty unbeatable in terms of features to price.
Personally I would opt for the Prologue and maybe the Akai MPC One to sequence both the MS-20 mini and the Prologue. With this you have a powerful sequencer that can sequence your hardware synths and you have a sampling drum machine to create your beats on. That would basically be a hardware set up without the use of a computer. Grab a secondhand 4 track cassette recorder or a 8 track digital recorder and that's a DAWless set up. Alternatively you could get a mixer and record through the mixer to a DAW if you are using one
I notice you made a comment regarding static or something while using the triangle waveform on the VCO. I noticed this on mine as well. What do you make of it?
Couple possibilities. One is I probably shouldn't have been pushing the level too hard, I think I might have been causing some internal clipping by turning the volume all the way up.
Another is the wave-folding of the triangle is caused by something like foldback distortion. There could be some minor miscalibration causing it to distort.
Either way it's subtle enough that it's kinda cool to chalk it up to the randomness of analog gear.
@@VultureCulture Very true. Thanks. Keep up the good work!
One more question can you get the same modulation possibilities as you can with the Korg Prologue as far as with the Omnipshere integration goes with REV 2
Using a REV 2*
Omnisphere expands the Prologue to having three LFO's instead of just one, so you're basically there. The Rev2 has an auxillary envelope which is useful for certain sounds that the Prologue is lacking. *However* within Omnisphere you have many, many more modulation routings, envelopes and LFO's than the Rev2 anyway, so it doesn't really matter.
@@VultureCulture so you get he same modulation options if you have the rev 2 with omnisphere integration vs the korg prologue with omnisphere integration?
From the front panel of the synth, no, but that would be true of any synth. The Rev2 doesn't do everything the Prologue does and vice/versa. However, you're never limited in Omnisphere to the front panel of your synth (for instance you could use the OB-6 filter on either of them)
If you want to know more I recommend you watch my video on Omnisphere's Hardware Integration: th-cam.com/video/fQAcEEtnUN8/w-d-xo.html
I came for the synths, but when I saw the awesome H.R Giger background I said "this man has taste", so I stayed and watched. Curiously, I am between Rev2 and Prologue for summer 2021 but although the Sound Designer in me wants to go for the Rev2, I must agree that I am towards Prologue because of that "Blade Runner" feeling and the overall sound of it. Spending money on equipment has to make sense, and for me a digital synth nowadays is not something I'd go for. Regardless, that's just my opinion. Thank you for the video. You won my subscription. Peace \m/
I appreciate it!
The good news is I think you can't go wrong with either a Prologue or a Rev2, they're both great and you can make incredible sounds with them.
Its fucking bonkers that just 3 years later that same 8 voice Rev2 is now $2499. That almost a 70% increase in cost in 3 years. W.T.F.
That's synthflation for ya
You are so right. Fuck the keys, buy a cheap 61 keys midi controller and get the korg minilogue xd module and done. It's incredible what you get for that money.
It truly is!
The Prophet Rev2 Oscillators are DCVCOs they're analog VCOs but the knob twist is sending digital signal controlling the VCOs. If you said this and I missed it then cool... crack a brew for me too
The digital part of the DCO comes from digitally controlling the tuning, so in that sense the Rev2 has analog DCO's.
Cheers! 🍻
@@VultureCulture If you need some analog VCO tuning instability on Prophet Rev2 you can add it in controllable way with OSC SLOP in OSCILLATORS. At least it works great in UNISON play mode to create fuzzy timbre like making SuperSaw from plain Sawtooth.
The slop, or now vintage function, is one of the most important features on the Rev2 and something that feels missing from my vintage dco synths like the Alpha Juno 2 and JX-3P.
I love the sound of a prologue but do u think it would be hard to fit a rap vocal on something that sounds so wide and huge?
Classic hip hop vocals not auto tuned over processed pop rap vocals btw.
Sure thing, especially if you keep the vocals pretty mono and use the Prologue for very wide pads (which it is great at with all the extra stereo voices)
I wonder if you could modulate parameters of the Prologue 16 via MIDI from a DAW...
You can, here's a video I did th-cam.com/video/LGkWsfuW9w8/w-d-xo.html
Nice. Cheers
Even more than the analog/digital hype, I think that the VCO/DCO issue is completely overblown. Everybody loves the Juno 106, which has DCOs. And I have an Oberheim Matrix 6R, which has DCOs, but they still need to be auto-tuned (and still seem to drift). I just don't think that it's worth worrying about. Also, as someone who dealt with drift and scaling issues in the 1970's, having shitty, drifty oscillators is not as great as people make it out to be.
I have a Peak and a DM 12D, and I generally find that I prefer the Peak. In fact, making the best use of the DM 12 really requires using the iPad app, whereas, working from the panel on the Peak is pretty easy. But, more than that, I just like the sound of the Peak better. The DM is Ok, and I'm keeping it, but I find it a little unintuitive and a lot of the sounds are boring. I'd probably love a Hydrasynth, but I don't buy Chinese products on principle. The System 8 seems pretty pointless to me. I have the Roland Cloud apps, and the System 8 just runs these on hardware. People often complain that all digital synths are just "VSTs in a box", but I think that it's a somewhat valid criticism for the System 8. I don't have Prologue or the Dave Smith/Sequential/Oberheim models that you mentioned either, but I feel like I have enough analog gear already so that ithey wouldn't give me much more in capabilities.
All good points! Thank you for your comment 🙏
Roland System 8 comes with sounds of 4 Roland synths. It has the sounds of the Juno 106, Jupiter 8, JX-3P and System 8. And you can buy and substitute other synths such as the Juno 60.
The Korg Prologue is true analog. Cool. Buy both and the OB-6 and Summit. Summit was designed by a well known synth guy.
Aiyn Zahev, Luke Neptune, GEOSynths have presets for the Summit you can listen to.
Roland System 8 is some digital stuff emulating Roland analog synths produced earlier. It is a bit simpified subtractive synth that does not support a lot of analog synth functionality. But it can also emulate a lot, so it got even some FM synth stuff. It is not easily comparable with analog synth from other companies.
The Prologue is worth it to me for a couple of reasons. I wanted a VCO based polysynth, most of the other options have less voices. Also, I just don't like interacting with software synths, I work on a computer all week and I don't want to have to use one for music too. I work better, I explore more with a good hardware interface. Also, I really like the sound of it.
I didn't consider the Rev2 because I've got a Prophet 8, so I have some of that ground covered anyway. The DSI/Sequential synths have a very different sound than the Korg too. Plus it's DCO based, I got that covered with the Prophet 8, Jx3p and Oberheim Matrix 6r.
If ya got the summit and hydra , you gotta look at the Modal Cobalt.
Modal makes some really amazing stuff
You got me having second thoughts about buying a digital synth for 2000+ dollars. But i did went with the Jupiter X. mainly becouse of its reintegration of digitally modeled classic analogs🙈
The Jupiter X feels super premium!
@@VultureCulture I really love your videos man! You're is one of the very few synth channels i watch all videos till the end.
Your approach and passion for synths is admireable. I have a d50 for quite some time now and your video on the Hcard750 made me by one as well, been willing for some time but after watching your video on it i was convinced. And YES! The Jupiter Strings!!
Anyway, i subbed last week and i look forward to new videos after i watched the old ones, really interesting and dare i say, intruiging videos! Keep up the good work,
cheers✌️!
Thank you so much for all the support 🙏
And yes!! That Jupiter strings patch is insane!!
Deepmind's worth it alone for the mega modulation of the FX parameters. called deepmind for a reason...it gets into your head.
No doubt!
I am eyeing Peak also with the intention of controlling VSTs. You might want to look at Electra One controller.
I'll check it out, thanks for the tip!
Why is there so much reverb on the narration and so loud music in the background. Sorry it is hard to follow the Video.
My apologies! I've learned to turn the music down substantially since this video came out
I'm in the same position, Omnisphere user wanting to buy a hardware synth for control (hate the midi controllers with unlabeled knobs, improper layout, etc) and also to have my first irl synth for that use in itself. The main thing that stops me from getting the Prologue is the lack of aftertouch, which is a must for me and one thing I've been lacking in my current setup (been using a digital piano with weighted keys). So I'm thinking Rev2. I was thinking Summit for a while but I tried it out at a store and wasn't crazy about it. Has nothing to do with the digital oscillators though, early on I was wanting analog specifically but I've learned I don't care at all about that, and my dream synth is a Virus TI but $3000 for the keyboard version...will probably end up getting the $2000 module later, but for now I really need a synth-style large keybed with aftertouch. I suppose I could get an Arturia KeyLab but $500 is a lot to spend on a midi controller. The Rev2 seems to be the best option for me in price to quality and with a great keyboard. Deepmind is a great choice but is not for me layout-wise. I love the Prophet layout, probably because one of my early soft synths I spent a lot of time with was a Prophet 5 clone (memorymoon's Messiah). The Minilogue XD module is in definite consideration for a future purchase as well. Any thoughts?
I think the Rev2 is a great choice and the best quality/value on the market. The ASM Hydrasynth has poly aftertouch which is pretty incredible, if you don't care about analog. The Prologue responds to aftertouch now, just the keyboard doesn't send it, for what it's worth.
@@VultureCulture Yeah that poly aftertouch could be interesting. What do you mean by the prologue responds to aftertouch? I don't understand, isn't sending aftertouch through the keyboard the only aspect of aftertouch?
@@AvengingEnder What did you go for? Highly interested!
If for studio use only, why not just use omnisphere or diva or whatever, output sound from high quality DAC into a good tube saturator, then back into DAW via high quality interface? Seems a waste of money otherwise...
Honestly even the tube saturator can be emulated pretty faithfully digitally.
I mostly use plugins, the hardware is more for fun
Forgot to mention a tape recorder or something of that nature as well. But yeah good point.
Minilogue vs Deepmind 6: who wins?
Minilogue or Minilogue XD?
A lot of people love DM12, but I haven't suggested it because I do get a decent number of comments complaining about build quality.
I feel more comfortable recommending the Minilogue XD because it sounds amazing, is VCO-based and stood the test of time so far.
Just my opinions tho
Hey dude! Love your videos! Just wanted to mention though that the music behind you talking was a little distracting for me. Cant wait to see how this channel grows!
Thank you for the feedback! I'll turn the music down a bit in future videos
@@VultureCulture thanks from me too..great stuff just a little distracting from what you were talking about..or was that the plan all along? Your evil plan is working...Muahahah!
Interesting review with a clear point of view, thanks. About the Moog One (22:00), there are also people who buy a Ferrari and have it serviced every half a year. It’s a known selling fact that the suffering creates more attachment if you spent huge $$$ 😉… and I find the car comparison not that wacky, more cylinder/ hp = more oscillators. But then if you compare that one oscillator of an original Oberheim SEM (or even the nice SSM oscillators from the Polysix) to the modern ones, you understand that it needs 16 today to achieve the same blast.
Good comparison with the car for sure. The Moog One appeals to a certain kind of buyer - not a typical musician, which is what I'm focused on and who I'm talking to.
No doubt the Polysix and SEM have incredible oscillators, but there's nothing in principle stopping makers of synths from creating just as great if not better sounding gear nowadays. Always hard to tell how much nostalgia factors into what we hear.
Thanks for the comment!
Just one question. Do you have Omnisphere? 😄
Jk. Great video. I love my prologue!!
How closely do you think it can emulate a Juno or Jupiter?
Closer than you'd think, it certainly makes the types of sounds you could make with a Juno - but it's not a 1-1 recreation or anything.
@@VultureCulture right that's what I thought. Definitely doesn't have the same chorus. Detuning is very similar though
@@VultureCulture what are some more affordable clones to a Jupiter? Aside from anything you've mentioned.
@@VultureCulture I'm always going for the Alaska sound from his album Mesozoic Era. Take a listen and let me know what you think he's using!
I think one of the choruses built into the prologue is a lot closer to Juno than the default. Nevertheless its going to be different
fax i jus can’t connect to a plug-in unlike with an actual real life synth
You have an excellent voice so you don’t need reverb on it for these videos
Thank you, the reverb is actually the untreated room. Gotta fix that.
@@VultureCulture oh that’s interesting, well in that case I wouldn’t bother getting rid of it. It doesn’t sound bad it just sounded unnecessary
So, A year ago the Korg Prologue was $1499 for the 16 voice Polyphony. Check Sweetwater right now and it is $1699, a $200 increase since this video came out.
And now that they're discontinued you can expect the price to go up lol
@@VultureCulture are they? I still see Prologue on the list of actual products on their website
It is in fact discontinued
You can’t really compare a DSI to a Behringer for one reason. The DSI is built using highest-quality components that’ll last a lifetime, and the Behringer is admittedly a more flexible synth, but it’s known that the quality of their parts is much lower. Do i want to buy a synth that may not even be worth fixing if it breaks?
Honestly Behringer's synth department has stepped it up massively recently in terms of quality. Sequential and Moog will always be the highest quality products on the market.
Mr. Vulture should do voice over work if he doesnt already. As a former Creative Director, I would buy him out so no one else can use his mellifluous tones.
Hahaha I get that a lot. Unfortunately I can't seem to find any work doing just that
@@VultureCulture You need a good agent. Put some demos together and I’ll send them out to my former vendors. I was at HBO for 15 years so maybe I still have some juice;) AND your synth reviews are stellar as I start to explore electronic music. Really first class analysis.
I'm glad you enjoy them 🙏
@@VultureCulture I do. The cursing is an added bonus. On a somewhat serious synth note, I just picked up a used Grandmother. Needed a Moog in my life as I am a sucker for branding and legacy. But I do want polyphony and analog. So I came to your channel/post about the Prologue/Rev 2. As a neophyte, which should I lean toward to grasp more quickly. Also, overall sound and build quality is important to me as well. Thank you!
I'm trying to work on the cursing to be more "ad friendly" but this is just who I am 🤣
Ah the eternal Rev2 vs Prologue debate. My friend INTRL CMND actually sold his prologue to get a Rev2 and ended up selling that for a Minilogue XD because he preferred the filter sound - which I agree with.
However the Take 5 is pretty unbeatable in terms of sound and features and price. Jamie from GEOSynths said it's the best sounding sequential except the ob-6, which is crazy to think about because it's also their cheapest.
Do you think the Korg Prologue sounds better than the Rev 2?
Personally I do, however some people think the opposite and, in principal, I think a good synthesist should be able to make any synth sound good for their sound.
Deepmind is good, but it’s difficult to include it in the mix. I prefer the rev2 / ob6 / xd. They have pros and cons but easier in music composition.
It's interesting, because DM12 is based on a Juno, but it does, to my ear, sound a little ruder, like it pokes out in a mix more.
great video! Lots of good infos!
Thank you very much!