The Cringiest Show On TV
ฝัง
- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 24 พ.ย. 2024
- 🔈full episodes🔈
/ sadboyzpod
📺main channels📺
jarvis - / jarvis
jordan - / jordanadika
✨follow jordan✨
/ jordanadika
/ jordanadika
✨follow jarvis✨
/ jarvis
/ jarvis
🎙follow sad boyz🎙
/ sadboyz
/ sadboyz
🎶outro music🎶
@prod.typhoon & @ysoblank
• Gucci Girl
![[LIVE] : ONE ลุมพินี 88 | คู่เอก "ป้อมเพชร vs อัสลามจอน"](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/1ZqTVVbMgbo/mqdefault.jpg)
As an autistic person, I can confirm that not a day goes by that my colleagues aren't completely shocked and flabbergasted that I am, in fact, autistic.
Same. I have to remind them often when it comes up. I recently had an altercation with a parent (I'm a teacher) that claimed to be an expert due to her line of work and tried to say (without saying it, if you get what I mean) that I don't seem autistic and ergo she doubts I actually am.
It's infuriating.
@@sowhatphie Yeah, I know what you mean. I work in a museum, and last year a regional TV channel wanted to do a news segment about me. Being autistic and having a productive work life is apparently newsworthy. Anyway, I agreed, because I figured positive publicity could increase our funding. It would appear that I was quite eloquent, which the interviewer flat out told me she didn't expect. Then she hit me with the old "But you don't _seem_ autistic", and I suspect she wanted me to act and talk in a more stereotypical way to make her report more sensational. It was... certainly an experience.
@@sowhatphieI wonder what line of work she is that qualifies her to decide that. Because anyone in a line of work that would allow someone to determine that would need a lot more discussion to diagnose than just a few interactions with a teacher lol
@@sowhatphiebut that sounds awful, sorry you have to deal with that. I always hear that the worst part of being a teacher is normally the parents. Idk if that’s true of course but…
Same. And having to remind them is something
They consulted with Autism Speaks for the show and that tells us all we need to know.
Oh that makes soooo much sense... yikes! I had no idea it was that bad 😕
What's Autism Speaks?
@@OurLadyOfSorrows4 A pro-eugenics organization.
Lol damn that explains a lot
Oh gosh I didnt know that. Disgusting
As an autistic person, I have to say with all honestly that the only good representation of autism by a neurotypical actor is Danny Pudi playing Abed Nadir.
And I think that had autistic writers. While I won’t say that we only should let autistic people play autistic characters, we need them involved or at least people that actually understand it.
@@superman5951exactly what i was going to say: dan harmon, the creator and head writer, is autistic. abed was his self-insert, basically
abed nadir my beloved
I've always loved that one joke where the dean asks abed to use his special abilities and abed basically just insults the trope then walks out of the scene
Have you seen Claws? Dean, played by Harold Perrineau, was my favorite. They let an autistic character be Black and sexual. I know, I know. Such a low bar. But it's refreshing to not see the ace white cis dude all the time.
My partner and I (both autistic) do want to inform people that we are, in fact, SURGEONS
That is very cool and I would like to sit in your home during a dinner’s party and listen to you guys talk about experiencing things together as two autistic surgeons /pos
Funking rad:)
Liars
Awkward C3PO is an interesting choice of characterization to show autism.
They wouldn’t cast an actual actor with autism because they wanted the autistic characteristics to be super exaggerated and it would be less ethical to tell an actor with autism to play up their autism than it would be to just cast someone to act like they have it. They can make it look like whatever they want at that point
Also bc if they asked an autistic person to act according to their own experience they... straight up wouldn't have a show. A problem with these kinds of shows is that the whole thing is 'what if person is good at their job BUT what makes it interesting is that they have autism' meaning the autism has to be exaggerated for it to even be any different from a normal show. Autism needs to be portrayed as this big hurdle and struggle and weird thing you just have to cope with. It needs to be shown as this thing that is noticable EVERYWHERE and is seeping into everything just bc it's the only thing different. If an actual autistic person had been asked to pull form their own experience... it would just be a normal show. Bc autistic people aren't supergeniusses that have their autism holding them back. Idk, this show is just gross and it took my own autism diagnosis for me to truly realize that.
(I know this could come across as hate but it isn't meant like that! I am trying to expand on your point a little bit)
Reminds me of that episode of Dollhouse (as a random example, tons of movies and shows have done this) where the main character was playing a blind person, and when they brought in a blind person to show her how to act, nobody found it believable because the BLIND PERSON wasn't acting "blind enough". So they had Eliza Dushku give an exaggerated portrayal that they thought would be more recognizable to audiences.
I didn't realize how hurtful this portrayal of autism was to me until I found comfort in the way Jarvis and Jordan were talking about their autistic friends. People don't believe I have autism because I don't act like this stereotype, but because people don't believe I have autism I don't get the accommodations I need. The media representing autism in such a one-dimensional way has really impacted my life.
For real, people think because you're not obsessed with trains and flailing uncontrollably that you aren't "really" autistic. No wonder I went 35 years without a diagnosis smh
I think what makes me most uncomfortable about the show is that he’s kid coded, yet all these women are trying to sleep with him and ‘educate’ him in the bedroom
He's an adult. Your alternative is that he isn't allowed to have sex. That's messed up.
@@lukeshioshiono it’s how the writers wanted to show he seemed innocent and all these women were infantilizing him and sexualizing his autism.
@@halatiny6537 I haven't seen the show so I don't know the full context. If he doesn't have any sexual attraction then they should respect his boundaries
@@lukeshioshioDoesn’t matter if he does have sexual attraction either. Respect boundaries regardless of sexuality.
@@lolcandyyy daft but yea
I so appreciate how you talked about this as an autistic person. You literally covered almost everything that I hate about this show.
How the mighty child actors fall.
I forgot he was the boy from Charlie and the chocolate factory oh my lord. It's really been downhill from there.
@@beefbaby9840wait omg???he is??
@@beefbaby9840 I was wondering where I recognized him from
The entire show does a terrible job at representing autism, I swear...the way that he acts like a child, the way that everyone treats him like a child, its such infantilization of autistic people
It’s weird how the show has gone on this long, I’m so confused by this…
yeah it’s so infantilizing
@@blasphimus My boomer mom loves this show. Which sucks for me because it's basically where her entire idea of autism comes from. Last year was a lot of fun finding out I'm autisitc.
And he’ll have MULTIPLE girlfriends throughout the show that talk to him on strange ways that really feels off. Like, they’re infantilizing him AND they want to sleep with him. It’s kinda icky. I swear, I thought I was the only person who thought this was a little odd.
I know this thread is old but I felt the need to say something anyway, as an autistic adult.
But I hate it. I hate this idea neurotypicals have that autistics can only be children or adult-children. Autistic adults are adults and deserve to be treated as such.
Neurodivergents and neurotypicals are overall equal in maturity, just more or less mature in different areas, and that's all speaking in generalizations. A lot of neurotypicals have traits commonly seen in autistics and vice versa. And for the love of God, not all of us are savants! Only like ten percent of us are!
I think the main takeaway people should focus on is that a majority of people (I hope) arent making fun of an autistic meltdown, they're making fun of a badly researched meltdown portrayed by a known autism-speaks supporting non-autistic actor
As an autistic person, I kinda cant help but admit how childish its portrayed. I know a lot of fellow ND people who wait till they're alone in the comfort of their room before just letting it all out, where we know we cant be judged. Like? cmon, were bad with emotions, but were still in control of them.
That was very well put.
Can confirm as an autistic person that I have Tony Stark superpowers
Arms dealing and rich parents?!
@@Lucifersfursona 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Crippling alcoholism and egomania??
as an actual autistic person, it’s hurtful to see our representation being done by non autistic or disabled people. if you are going to make a show about disabled people, cast disabled actors. our community is so diverse and we are not like the autistic characters they make up in shows and in media. like big bang theory or good doctor, these are not real autistic people or disabled people and it’s annoying they get to show us in that way. idk how else to put it, it’s just uncomfortable to watch cause that’s not how we are. now the best representation I’ve seen and relate to is one of the actors in Not Dead Yet cause the actor is autistic and disabled and he shows our traits really well while not making fun of us.
What person would you recommend to play the role?
The only exception is Abed from community
@@BEEANDPUPPYCAT2219 Abed just works
@@SavantAudiosurfI mean they could probably find an autistic actor to play the part. There are actors out there. Just unknown.
Ik and they could probably pay them less legally anyway, doesn't make sense
One of Jordan's favorite shows is House?! That's so funny. As a chronically ill person I will say I would prefer to be treated by House than any doctor I've tried. A comparison:
House: Calls me a slur, nearly kills me, breaks into my house, doesn't believe my life story but believes my symptoms, does all the tests inpatient over a period of weeks
My doctors: Don't believe me most of the time, don't run tests most of the time, when they do run tests they order them one by one even though each test takes over a month, often give up when their first guesses (asthma, iron deficiency, diabetes) are wrong
100%
I’d take being treated by House over any other doctor.
Being chronically ill with no confirmed diagnosis sucks. Like I want answers.
House for the win lol
100%, I’m also chronically ill + invisibly disabled and I *loved* House. Still do. I think part of it was a comfort, that even though his methods were *wildly* unethical at times (i,e breaking into houses but whatever) he always wanted answers. He always sought for answers, and that’s something I feel maybe a lot of chronically ill + disabled people *wanted* from their own doctors but didn’t get.
House never stopped searching for answers until the patient died or he got them. I think a lot of chronically ill and disabled people find comfort in the idea of a doctor that dedicated to even ‘complex’ health issues that other doctors seem to brush off or disregard entirely.
Ironically I feel like House is almost a comfort show for people with medical trauma (esp around being ignored by doctors), at least from the consensus I’ve gathered.
I also just have a hyperfixation on all things medical so I loved hearing about the different conditions on that show.
I was diagnosed a savant in fourth grade. People don't understand that just because I can do complex math in my head doesn't mean I can do everything well. It's impossible to explain. Sometimes I can't understand what is going on at work even though everyone else does. I get overstimulated and can barely think but when I look at gears move or numbers change it calms me and I can think again
Do you mean the calculations? Or you can also solve equations/geometry tasks easier?
It's such a relief to see this conversation in the mainstream and not just in autistic communities. We've been talking about shows like this and Atypical for years and it's nice that others are seeing the bullshit representation
What's wrong with atypical? I haven't seen it
what was wrong with atypical? the show wasn't my thing but i thought the representation was okay
god watching Atypical as an autistic girl was such a horrible experience
@@msjkramey Similar thing imo, just the infantilisation of the main character, and the same sort of autistic ‘rain man’ style tropes. Besides that, It seems like whenever there is an autistic main character in fiction they’re always sidelined because the writer later don’t consult actually autistic people. They become a mess of tropes, the neurotypical characters become the main characters and we see the autistic character as ‘the other’
@@annakarenina7593 literally I’m not sure if tv/film executives have ever actually met an actual autistic person. They just seem to copy and paste ‘straight white guy who who has special powers but is socially inept,’ stereotype over and over since Rain Man.
Autistic person here, I’m tired of my community being represented by the “autistic savant” trope in movies and on TV. Everything’s Gonna Be Okay is SO much better than any other thing about autism because 1) it was made by autistic people, and 2) it treats us like regular people
Yep the savant narrative makes those of us who aren't exceptional performers look like idiots to allistic/NT people 😩
I heard it's like.. Max 8% of the community that are actually savants? Not sure about that, but it's a minority of a minority lol
Literally! Like not all of us are savants and the other end is they make us helpless and can’t do anything it’s very upsetting all around so much bad representation
Another autistic person here! this show is... so bad. it's so awful. it's full of horrendous stereotypes about autistic people, like how our romantic life works, and perpetuates the idea that autistic people are only valuable if they're "savants" (which a lot of people don't believe in/think are real by the way) and are seen as traditionalist intelligent and of need of little support. it also tries to push the idea that autistic people are less accepting (him arguing that trans people don't exist... which if he's an insanely smart and studied doctor he should know that they... do????) and it's just all around confusing and just BAD. not to mention there's zero actually autistic actors and it seems like they don't even have autistic people or disabled people in general working on the show.
If I'm remembering correctly there was a study that said that 3 out of 6 trans people have autism, it's funny to me that that's one of the things they decided to write about. Like it's likely there are autists who don't understand being trans, but why would they decide to write him like that?
yeah it’s just “guys autistic people need to be treated like children but they’re all really smart !!!” and neither of those are true
Aiya, I didn't know about the trans episode. (I've never watched, just seen clips/commentary.) That's so weird to me. Like, I'm sure some autistic people are transphobes, but I've never met any, all the autistic folks I know are trans-friendly and often trans themselves.
Speaking of, question for you as someone who has watched the show--is the main character the only autistic character on the show? Does he only have allistic friends and family? Because I'm getting that vibe and that's... probably making the problems with the show even worse.
“Him arguing that trans people don’t exist”
*_screams into the void of having to get a mediator to have the conversation with my parents that I was not, in fact, simply too disabled uwu to realize I was their lovely cisgender daughter and I needed to stop all this autistic nonsense of thinking I was trans. Pretty sure that’s one of the only times my mom has acknowledged my autism. Neat._*
The idea that I’m too autistic to know what my gender is UNLESS it’s the one she wanted just RRGH
@@AshCinis why 3 out of 6? why not just say 50 percent?
As an autistic person, my absolute favorite portrayal of an Asperger/ASD character is the Finnish detective series Bordertown (called 'Sorjonen' after the main character in the original Finnish). First off, it's just a fabulous dark Nordic crime show, with great actors and a compelling (if sometimes gorey and distrubing) plot.
The main character, Kari Sorjonen, has some savant-like qualities, but they are tempered by his humanity, so he feels like a real 3D person. He has a great mind for solving crime by examining the pieces and delving deep into the motivations and emotions of others, in part, because he is constantly trying to puzzle out these things in his everyday life. He can remember all sorts of details of crime scenes, but struggles in his daily to keep to schedules or remember the things that are actually important and meaningful to him, which is classic AuDHD.
But the best part of it is the depiction of his family life. He is shown as a grown-ass adult with a wife and teenage daughter he obviously adores, and who love him back, even though they all get frustrated with each occasionally. I am so tired of exclusively asexual/aromantic or infantilized depictions of autism. FFS, many autistic people are NOT aro/ace, and being aro/ace or autistic does not means emotionally illiterate or incompetent. It's frankly insulting to everyone involved.
And the icing on the cake is that the show is decidedly not about An Autistic Detective. In fact, although Sorjonen navigates the world in a way that is obviously different from the neurotypical folks around him, and people remark on his difference, no one explicitly says he's autistic until it is mentioned in the second season. His autistic experiences are important to the story, but they don't require a banner and a parade to spell them out.
I know the character does not represent everyone's experience on the spectrum, but it's the closest I've seen to my own, as a person who feels deeply, loves and is loved, and is a real adult person, if not a Finnish detective!
Bordertown is terrific indeed.
Also has an abortion that is handled as what it is, a perfectly normal part of life instead of a sin or whatever.
Especially as an autistic female person it is all the more infuriating to see this awful misrepresentation of autism in the good doctor. It really feels like it is driving home the stereotype that only boys have autism and that those boys are basically just children (so they are never held accountable for their actions).
i'm thinking you don't identify as a girl since you said female person, but i thought Quinni from Heartbreak High was really neat represenation for autism in girls and the actor is autistic too!
as an afab person i totally agree. im 30 and didnt even realize i had symptoms until a few years ago because i thought autism only looked a certain way.
This comment weirdly helped me clarify a shitty experience I had in middle school where a much older boy was making lewd creepy derogatory remarks about my body and kinda like, grinded on me a little? Like I was fully 12/13 🙃 When I went to the principal about it he said “well he has a developmental disability 🤷🏻♂️ so there’s nothing we can do. He simply does not understand these things uwu”
And I was so white liberal as a kid I just believed that. I remember even feeling bad for him. But listen
I am a full human autistic (I don’t consider myself to have developmental problems but lmao maybe I do) and I was a kid and deserved protection. That dude was fully capable of understanding and having explained to him why he should not and cannot harass little girls via their bodies.
The student body had to throw him out. I went to a weird fuckin school dude
@@unpreparedwithacapitalf .... even tho incels etc say female a lot, I’m pretty sure this person is... like they said... female... which would make them idk. A girl
@@Lucifersfursona i never said they weren't female. I said i didn't know if they identified as a girl.
“you don’t seem autistic” if i had a dollar for every time that was said to me maybe i could take the good doctor down myself
Wait, it makes SO much sense that this was based on a K-drama.
There’s kinda a whole subgenre in Korean TV about “autistic person does a job and is the best in the world at that job because they are autistic”.
Some have redeeming qualities and others kinda don’t. The one about the girl who is the lawyer I kind of liked, because the lead actress is great and the guy who plays her dad is also great, and the whole sub arc of “parent and kid can’t relate to each other and have trouble understanding each others needs” was relatable, especially growing up undiagnosed for 30-ish years and having everything anyone in my family does consistently never make sense.
They have episodes where they’ll attempt to portray autism as an actual spectrum and attempt (in a very flawed way) to give actual good mental health advice and advocacy. But they don’t succeed as well as they coulda, and they also have full arcs about “I’m autistic so I’m unlovable” and “I’m in love so I stopped being autistic”.
My point is in Korea it’s an actual distinct genre with its own unique tropes and trends. Which to me makes it slightly less bad. Because they’re not just making a show about autism. They’re making a show about autism that fits within the genre of shows about autism where everything is stylized and overblown. Autistic guy is a billionaire because he’s SO great at cleaning and owns a cleaning company. Meets messy girl who invaded his space. Drama. Robot guy is the best at robots because autism. Meets actual human woman. Drama. Etc.
America doesn’t HAVE that as a genre. So there was no standard or expectation or narrative framework to live up to. They just did it, as a cash grab, in isolation.
If you liked the story of the original show so much that you wanted to tell it to a wider audience, buy the foreign rights and air it here. Or use a character from the original as a jumping off point to do something new.
Somehow starting from scratch with a revised story and new characters which was clearly put into production entirely for money reasons seems worse.
I liked Extraordinary Attorney Woo as well! Although I will admit that I'm tired of the savant trope, it was still interesting since they showed her as a dynamic character.
@@mahnoorali4102 I kinda like the savant trope, in kinda the same way that old Jewish guys sarcastically enjoyed Der Spiegel sometimes. Our actual life experince is really shitty, but this piece of media says "actually, you have superpowers and secretly rule the world". WHich to me is a way more fun idea than "actually, society hates you"
I’m autistic and some random guy asked me what my superpower was the first and last time I talked to them because they found out I have autism. I told them that is a myth and not everyone with autism has a “superpower” and their response was “actually you do though”. We are always either infantilized by the media or made to look like monsters. I can do random stuff not many people can but that’s not because autism gave me a superpower it’s because I hyper focus on random stuff. One of my special interests was Rubik’s cubes before so I know how to do several different types of Rubik’s cubes, but most of the time my main special interests are percy Jackson and the hunger games. I asked for almost only percy Jackson things for Christmas, could talk about the books and the lore to the hunger games for hours and ways the books and movies are similar and different and why I head canon certain characters autistic etc. There definitely are such things as savants but the media makes it seem like we all are.
What characters do you headcannon as autistic? I used to be obsessed with the hunger games too so I'm curious
Yeah people don't understand that autistic "savantism" doesn't come from some inherent autism magic. We just have special interests that consume us and we spend a lot of time alone learning about that thing because the outside world is often hostile or we just don't have much interest in other activities.
My special interest involves knowing a lot of shit but only as it applies to my special interest 😂 like I know a lot about the Bible... related to my bullshit. If someone was like oh tell me a Bible stuff I would just be like
Sweats did you know actually in Genesis exclusively
i know how to play guitar. ive been playing for 18 years and spent 1000s of hours practicing. people love to credit me being a "savant" because of autism. no motherfucker, i spent a lot of time on it.
I'm pretty sure the main actor also supports autism speaks
He does! I was actually just watching a video someone uploaded about The Good Doctor
th-cam.com/video/esVfOevhx9s/w-d-xo.html
This one!
Oof
“Well my character as you can see is a savant so he may be spared the culling of this degenerative disease” exhausted in autistic
Do allistic people. I know they don’t but like. Do they ever think about shutting up
@@Lucifersfursona That quote is something a Nazi would say
There's a really good autistic TikTok creator who has talked a lot of how bad and harmful the good doctor. Plus that actor recently I believe did a video with autism speaks, one of the most harmful organizations for autistic people. This show sucks, and as a autistic person as well it personally makes me so mad to see these stereotypes continuously pushed and shown as if it's representative of anything.
As an autistic person who is trying to become a doctor, this show is making it SO MUCH harder to get people to take me seriously.
this might not be similar at all but to me this predicament reminds me of james cordan playing an effeminate gay man in that Netflix version of the Prom. when you’re dealing with portraying a character that behaves in what is typically identified as a stereotypical manner, there needs to be some level of nuance in the casting.
do I think every actor needs to identify as the type of person they’re playing? not really, but if the character can be misconstrued as a caricature, it’s probably better to cast someone who understands the experience they’re portraying, rather than someone who’s almost entirely reliant on someone informing them of those experiences. it also reminds me of the casting for that godawful sia movie, music.
I don’t really know what the writing is like in the good doctor, I’ve never watched it so I can’t say for sure if the writing is a complete mockery with no nuance to the autistic experience, but I can say that having an autistic actor play this kind of autistic character would def help avoid having the character come off as mocking and offensive as it does.
i’m autistic and while i do experience ‘low empathy’, it’s been proven that autistic people often just experience a different form of it. The masc-presenting experience of autism is VASTLY different from the femme-presenting or non-binary experience. Men are often given that benefit of the doubt, women are taught to hide their emotion. I have had times where i act childish in public (tantrums or crying episodes over sensory issues) or being extremely insensitive to others experiences. This was in my middle school years and i’m now an adult who had a job that caused stress (lifeguard) and i frequently had to ‘mask’ to prevent others from being upset. If i was under stress, like after i saved a person and had to continue working, i would talk to myself or find ways to cope. It was often difficult to talk to people on a kind way or say more than i had to. I realized that this sort of job wasn’t my forte as I couldn’t stand to yell at kids, especially autistic ones that may have struggled understanding rules
sorry for the long comment but i find the good doctor to be horrible representation for many autistic peoples experience because we DO understand others, just not in the way people expect. i feel others emotions strongly and i know the shame of being yelled at by a lifeguard as a kid. i tried so hard to cater to them that i sacrificed some performance to make sure they weren’t scared/upset after. i can’t imagine being a doctor and not having that mentality
I've heard autistic people _are_ empathetic, just struggle to express that outwardly
Can't believe Charlie's life went so far downhill after the Chocolate Factory got shut down by OSHA.
But hey, at least Autism Speaks is still paying him 🙃
Eff autism speaks. I'm pro choice but their push for autism selected abortion screenings is so disgusting and blatantly eugenicist
Oh shit are they???? Yikes
@@jadeterrain4771 hes gone on to sing their praises yeah
Wait this guy played charlie..?
What happened… 💀
@@KingOfGaymes freddie highmore yeah 💀
My brother is autistic, I have never seen him ever walk like C-3PO
I am autistic ( i feel the need to say that because i think its awesome how many autistic people are commenting lmao) but im not actually here to talk about the autism representation. In the last little bit Jordan brings up cis actors who play trans characters, and I actually watched a documentary on this. Its called Disclosure i think. In the documentary they actually bring up how when cis actors play trans characters there is a rise in anti transgender rhetoric in media, and when actual trans people play trans characters, it works to normalize trans people irl.
Do you know if it's any different when it's a cis actor with the same birth sex as the trans character versus a cis actor with the same gender as the trans character? (Ex. whether the effect is different when they cast a cis man to play a trans woman versus casting a cis woman to play a trans woman.)
@@Sky-bx9mn I cant say I do because the latter rarely if ever happens, at least not that I've seen.
@@sillyturtleenjoyer1903 I've only seen it once, in the K-Drama "Itaewon Class".
@@sillyturtleenjoyer1903 They had a chance to call it "Cisclosure" and they blew it.
My mom has been watching this show since it first aired. Last year, I had the discovery that I am autistic. I am glad I didn't watch the show with my mom, or else my knowledge of autism would have been skewed even more. Even after a year for her to process, her idea of autism is so warped from this show that it honestly hurts me deeply. Shows like these spread so much misinformation that even autistic people don't realize they're autistic! I believe my dad is also autistic, but they are both offended by the mere concept because of how competent my father is. The fantasized and romanticized versions people have of autism are truly disgusting.
I felt that Robert Pattinson's version of Batman was coded with autism. I really appreciated that.
This show feels like House's long lost evil twin
house is house’s evil twin
@@anarmadillowithagun it's the eviler twin
And the two shows are made by the same guy ..
Actually Autistic person here! 💛 My thoughts:
-Jordan, the term "savant" has taken on the connotation of being a "functioning label", which serves a false dichotomy between Autistic people who "don't need any help" and Autistic people who "aren't whole people". I understand that you were likely unaware of this baggage, but please don't describe any of us that way.
-Most Autistic adults I know have experienced a meltdown in public or at work as shown in this clip, and it's a sort of realistic portrayal in some ways, but the problems we have with this show are that Freddie Highmore is not an Autistic person and has no business playing caricatures of us on TV, and that the rest of the show leans heavily on the "Autism makes you an a$$hole" trope, as demonstrated in an earlier episode where the character refuses to correctly gender a transgender patient.
-The reason that these shows written by neurotypicals and starring neurotypicals, but about Autistic people, keep coming out is because instead of hiring Autistic people as consultants, these shows get their advice from hate groups such as Autism Speaks and SPARK, which offer "services" to torture Autistic children and run fearmongering TV ads that portray autism as a scary thing separate from the otherwise-"normal" children that can be cured.
oh and Jarvis, you were right the first time! you have Autistic friends. you do not have "friends with autism" 😁
Fellow autistic here; I agree with you for the most part except that “functioning labels” are extremely useful as shorthand for me in my daily life, and to remind people that different autistic folks have different needs. Blanket labeling them as “offensive” takes away a vital communication tool and only serves to make NTs see us as a monolith instead of the diverse community we are.
@@Axqu7227i never said offensive, who are you quoting? we each have different support needs, yes, but it's not a binary. that's why functioning labels are bad.
I've heard "high needs vs low needs" is more accurate?
A very good representation of autism in a show about a doctor is Doc Martin, it's a drama comedy and apart from being a hilarious TV Show, it's medically accurate as well.
i will say tho (from the sounds of it bc i’ve never watched this show) as an autistic person, the whole “everyone in his life either thinks he’s incapable and dislikes him for it, or thinks he’s incapable and infantilizes him for it” is probably actually the most accurate part of the show
I'm autistic and I appreciate that you guys are trying to treat this topic respectfully, and I do agree that the show is pretty shit. However it feels really uncomfortable to see non-autistic people make fun of the main character because he "acts/sounds like a robot" and "talks weird". Because many autistic people DO act and sound "weird", and have to deal with being called "robotic" and "alien".
I know the actor isn't actually autistic, but I watched a few seasons of the show with some friends who are also autistic, and we related to his mannerisms a lot, so people making fun of the way he acts and talks feels... not great.
Even his meltdown when he yells about being a surgeon feels relatable, because meltdowns are often ugly and embarrassing.
I feel like I haven't heard anyone talk about this side of the discourse before, and really wanted to talk about this
Adding to this, I wanna say how weird it is to watch this show as an autistic person because some of the things that happen to the main character are SO relatable and I'm 100% sure they did consult autistic people for part of it.
On the other hand there's so many things about this show that makes it an absolute garbage fire, like the main character being racist and transphobic and it being treated as "he's autistic, he doesn't know any better", and every issue being treated with a weird centrist lens. Overall I'd say it's a bad show and gets worse as it goes on, but the good moments are what reeled me in to watching it
Yeah, I have a lot of mixed feelings on this show, because I heavily agree with a lot of the criticism (and have a few of my own points that I haven't really seen much, i.e the way they wrote Shaun's backstory and how it doesn't feel like it has much connection to him as a character in the present, which rubs me the wrong way as people with autism are even *more* statistically likely to experience long-lasting adverse effects from trauma in some circumstances)
BUT I'm glad not to be the only person who felt like they related to his mannerisms. It's been a really, really weird feeling watching people make fun of traits that I see in my younger self (before I started masking as heavily) and have seen in autistic friends like it's suddenly okay. I don't think everyone who's doing that would actually stop doing it if it was a real autistic person showing those traits.
@redapplepanda I'm in the same boat. I relate to the way he speaks, when I'm stressed that's similar to how I speak and the meltdown scene us hard to watch because it reminds me a lot of my own meltdowns. That being said I hate how they baby him, I hate how they portray how he thinks, I wish they had given him a little bit of bedside manner (I'm tired of seeing autistic characters completely devoid of social skills. It's a common thing autistic people go through but I'm tired of seeing it be played the same way in every character I see and if i was in his boat i'd want to learn social skills by myself in pursuit of being a better surgeon) I hate how many characters get away with abusing him.
I see a lot of self diagnosed autistic people criticise this show, saying that's not what autism looks like... which is strange because ASD is very different for everyone, and many of the things in this show remind me of myself and my son. You have a vocal group of people telling everyone what autism is and isn't, and that's kind of giving a lot of people the greenlight to make fun of characteristics that some people actually have. I feel the show actually does a good job of demonstrating the individuality of autistic people when the main character has to treat a patient that also has autism, but is very different from himself, and later in the show it also has yet another autistic person that is different to both previous examples.
Honestly I think the parts where characters make excuses for the doctors bad traits (transphobia and racism) is more a commentary on how neurotypical people react to uncomfortable situations involving a neurodivergent person, I don't think the show excuses this itself, as they make a point of the doctor "growing" as a person.
Completely agree. You worded this so well.
Absolutely wild that we still have bad representations of autism to this day? Especially when gold-standard representations like Abed from community exist??
I don't have ASD, but I really liked how they never say that Abed has autism, but an "undiagnosed developmental disorder." It tied in well with the story about his father not really understanding him, since his father likely wouldn't have taken Abed to a professional and he wouldn't have received a diagnosis. I also really like that Abed understood socialization mostly through films and that his friends sometimes felt the need to infantilize him, but would often catch themselves doing so and work to correct their own behavior. Even for a comedic show, you can tell that they tried to create a leveled and accurate portrayal.
@@elijahishere Yes! A big part of it was that the creator, Dan Harmon, based Abed off of his real-life friend (who he obviously had respect and love for), and did a TON of research to make sure that Abed was being represented in a way that would make the autistic community feel seen. My favourite part of Abeds character is that he clearly is his OWN unique person, not some kind of amalgamation of every autistic stereotype cosplaying as a character.
@@zaenaschannel god i love Abed so much. i have never felt so represented in a character. i'm so thankful that they were able to write an autistic character that has clear, realistic flaws like the rest of the study group. like everyone else there are jokes at his expense and he's allowed to be the asshole in certain plots, but the show never loses empathy for him.
I AM A STURGEON. I AM… I AM A STURGEON.
As an autistic person, I can confirm I have magical powers and the mind of a small child.
idk though I do have autistic friends that act like he did in that scene. Isn't the issue that he's someone masquerading as autistic more? I do agree about the overall sentiment though.
I am wondering about what autistic people think of the show Extraordinary Attorney Woo, which also has a neurotypical person playing someone with "savant" syndrome and kind of fetishizing the whole "genius" part of things. I kind of like that show and its wholesomeness but I could see many parts of them as infantilising or even insulting to many autistic people, as well as how the show feels like the mc is kind of an amalgamation of every single thing autistic people can do/be like, like some sort of "overall autism representation".
On the other hand I do feel like for a show out of S Korea I am glad that this much attention was put into representation, but again the fact that the underlying premise is "she's weird BUT AT LEAST SHE'S A GENIUS" feels off at the end. My autistic friends either cant relate to it because of those broad strokes parts or are not interested in it so I haven't seen any discourse about it.
I didn’t really like most of these critiques, it mostly boils down to them thinking this is not how autistic people are, even tho there is an infinite number of different ways to portray autism. You may not have met or seen anyone with this type of autism but they certainly exist, you can’t just say it’s not accurate just because you haven’t seen it before.
The things they say about murphy are indeed absurd workplace harassment, but it’s also a show? Like this isn’t supposed to be an accurate portrayal of autistic doctors all over the world it’s supposed to have conflict and this is conflict
I’m autistic, and a couple years ago I was going through chemotherapy for cancer, so I was seeing a lot of doctors. My parente showed me this show one night, and not only was I uncomfortable that this is how autism was portrayed, it also made me anxious because the show portrayed every doctor except this one doctor as incompetent, and that’s not what I wanted to see when I had cancer to deal with.
I grew up for 16 years with an autistic cousin, and he had basically rhe emotional intelligence and control of someone 5-6 years younger, and he didn't learn how to do things like tie his own shoes until late high-school. He didn't read well and had trouble expressing himself in words, so it was a lot of cartoonist facial expressions and body language. And a LOT of breakdowns/shutdowns. None of us ever downplayed his intelligence or skill because he's a great artist, he just needed a lot more practice with social and emotional things. I don't see my cousin in this show, but I know autism presents in many different ways. I'm just sorry to all the autistic folks who feel insulted by this portrayal.
I agree with pretty much all the comments here, and also wanted to say that I'm interested to see how they'll approach the spinoff show that's in production. I don't know a ton about it, but the actress (Kennedy McMann) that they're casting to play this lawyer with OCD does actually have OCD and has spoken about her struggles with it. Hopefully that show can do things better than the Good Doctor has.
here's hoping... if they try to portray her OCD as a "superpower", like dealing with scrupulosity themes means she has an infallible moral compass, i'm going to start bludgeoning the writers to death with rocks
@@dazeslays I’m with you on that!
I fucking hate how people always treat us like children. Autistic adults are just like all other adults, we have struggles and goals and accomplishments and thoughts and feelings and we notice when others treat us like shit. I may have a hard time with social cues, but I notice when you speak to me the same way that you speak to a 12 year old
thank you, i enjoy the dragging of awful representations. i just want to add that the shuffle is just relatable bc sometimes i kinda forget how to walk normal in public (basically when i notice anyone looking in my direction) and end up looking goofy as shit, so focusing on walking makes me overcorrect and walk like a fuckin robot. but that's not my autism, that's my anxiety lmfao
The thing that freaks me out about this show is that there are people not on the autistic spectrum that watch it and believe it and admire it. For instance - my mother, who ignores everything I've ever said to her about the conditions I have, but will believe literally any random 3rd party. She loves that show. And now she tells me I couldn't possibly be autistic because I don't act like that dude. That is just a whole new level of fucked up.
When I was 13 and diagnosed with Asperger's (which was one of the diagnoses at the time) I told my friend and her family and they literally turned around to me and said that it was a shame I wasn't like Sheldon or Sherlock because it would be cool for them to have their own personal Sheldon/Sherlock 🙃 This whole mess really takes me back
My white Christian middle class aunt and all her bible thumping friends love this show. If that doesn't tell it's trash I don't know what would lol
According to Kayla Says who works in TV, this show would be popular with people who don’t use the internet because they’re the only ones watching TV. I think the over 45s like it because it gives them Rain Man flashbacks
It's a pretty progressive show
having an autistic person play an autistic character would be an asset, no? they could bring their lived experience to the project and make it more believable.
Not to mention the scene with a young trans girl as a patient, and he's just spouting transphobia and intentionally using the wrong pronouns over and over, and antagonizing the child. This is all despite the fact that autistic people are more likely than non-autistic folks to be queer, including being trans/non-conforming.
That doesn't mean that being autistic magically makes someone progressive when it comes to gender. The character evidently grew up with a rigid way of thinking about gender, but in the episode he learns to understand and respect his patient.
even though there's a notable overlap between trans and autostic people, there are definitely still transphobic autistic people out there. my problem with it is more that he seems like he can't even grasp the concept of transsexuality and gender dysphoria despite being a doctor. there is no way he wouldn't have learned about that stuff in med school, even if it was super rudimentary
@@dazeslays Another doctor actually asks him if trans people were covered in his studies, and he says that they weren't.
But I think the real reason for him being ignorant was because the writers wanted to depict a character coming from a place of ignorance and learning to respect the validity of trans people. There are unfortunately a huge number of people who don't understand, and a story like this can walk some viewers through an issue they are also ignorant about.
@@Boredman567 i do agree that that was probably the intention, i just think it could have been approached a bit more tactfully. like, what i (as a transgender and autistic person) would do would be as follows: have shaun be familiar with gender dysphoria and medical transition as concepts from studying them in med school, but only the absolute basics, like that trans people often take hormones and get certain surgeries.
he doesn't really *understand* it, and that lack of understanding bothers him. to his knowledge, he has never met a trans person before. he adjusts to the pronouns after it is explained to him that the patient is transgender, but he still feels somewhat awkward and hesitant due to this unfamiliar scenario. from the plot synopsis of this episode it seems pretty fast-paced, so i would allow a little more breathing room (possibly by cutting the concurrent plot with the other patient) for shaun to do some research on the topic, reading wikipedia articles and watching interviews, but still not really understanding. in some downtime after the surgery he apologizes to the patient for the initial confusion and asks if he can ask someone questions about being trans. they have a conversation that allows shaun to understand things a bit better, though not fully, and the patient says that it's okay if he doesn't totally get it, as long as he is kind. the end! i feel like his attitude in the actual episode, at least at the start, plays way too much into the stereotype that autistic people are rigid and rule-obsessed. we can handle abstract concepts!
@@dazeslays While the story you laid out is certainly the ideal scenario for how someone would learn about something they are ignorant on, that doesn't always make for particularly compelling television and doesn't have much of a dramatic arc to it.
They were trying to balance between being educational to the best of their ability while still creating dramatic moments and having the character make mistakes they can learn from before having the heartfelt moment at the end of the episode that shows they changed their mind and gained empathy.
It's like they asked the main actor to do an impression of what he _thinks_ people with autism are like, and he responded "what's autism?"
I know Jarvis isnt watching Dhar Mann anymore but August the Duck did an episode calling out Dhar Mann's depiction of autism recently
fun fact, when i was a kid this show caused my first panic attack because i was so distressed seeing this as one of the first bits of "autism representation" so i'm glad it's the topic of criticism lol
This stereotypical interpretation is popular among professionals who should know better. It's used to deny people diagnoses- which often means no support through work or education, and thus little to no access to them. This also makes it exponentially more difficult to access a diagnosis in adulthood, particularly if you have other complex or trauma-related mental illnesses (in my case BPD.) There's direct damage in people refusing to acknowledge how diversely autism presents in different people, especially when the 'representations' on display are actively insulting caricatures of traits which are more complex than many writers can apparently comprehend.
It's disturbing to see this show normalised so overwhelmingly. It paints a grim picture of how neurotypicals generally view us- not that we needed much reminding...
My oldest son is autistic and even with vocal therapy he does still speak like a robot…but he can move his arms independently and not walk like a robot 😂😂
When I'm tired or high, I can be monotone (which, btw, would be a better phrasing than robotic. We're still human.) and I walk weird as well, but also, I'm a grown woman with a degree, it's not HARD to mask and at least pretend to relate to people...
@@dinahmyte3749 It really depends on what's "your flavor". I have a somewhat severe level of auditory processing deficit and controlling my voice like this can be hard.
What really sucks, people don't interpret it as "robotic", but as imposing. I'm a big guy with a mean face, so, summed to the voice people will more often than not take me for a hardass.
@@ghfudrs93uuu I am constantly overstimulated and take great care to regulate my voice. But I'm also a brown woman, so it's 20+ years of masking and training and societal expectations to get this anxiety ridden 🙃
@@dinahmyte3749 I get it. I'm just saying that for some people regulating the voice is out of their control. I do take other steps to make my intentions clear, but when it comes to my voice, just not going non-verbal sometimes already takes a lot of energy.
@@dinahmyte3749 he’s the one who described it that way, and seeing as he’s 14, I’ll let him describe himself as he wants to 😂 I understand though, sorry!! I’m on the spectrum as well and I had no idea it was offensive❤️❤️❤️ I don’t have the vocal issues, but I honestly love his “robot” voice and only send him to vocal therapy because the teachers forced it on him and I didn’t want to be seen as neglectful (even though I literally just love my son’s natural voice)..I understand it will help him later in life since the world isn’t as accepting as it should be
House was better autistic rep than The Good Doctor
I am an autistic person. I have grown up around autistic people. I have gone to schools with autistic people. And I have even participated in summer camps for autistic children. In my 20 years of existence I have never met or seen anyone (autistic or no) who acts, moves, or talks like Dr Shaun.💀
as an autistic person, lemme say two things. number one, House MD is an excellent show. number two, the Good Doctor is terrible.
So I’m not autistic, though my dad is (it’s generally difficult to notice unless you’ve lived with him for an extended period of time and even then it’s only little stuff that sticks out generally), so take my opinion with a grain of salt. I never actually watched this show, saw plenty of clips of it just through internet osmosis, but never actively went looking for it. Mainly because the way that they talk about it seemed kinda…icky? If that makes any sense at all. Like they’re glorifying him as this genius while also being extremely condescending like how you would be with a toddler that you don’t let out of your sight because you’re afraid it might start eating the tv cord. I’m glad that my mental alarms started going off to stop me from watching it because from the stuff I’m seeing about it now just proves all of my suspicions about it based off of the trailers and clips that I saw.
The C3PO comparison is sooo spot on
Omg I know right
Not to mention how most all of the cast has done Autism Speaks promos/adverts, it's GROSS
Actual autistic person here. Anyone here have any recs for films/shows that actually have good representations of autism? Cause every piece of “representation” for autistic people I have seen seems to be horrible.
Heartbreak high? Chloe is in that one
I'm autistic myself and I find the best Rep is generally just characters that are autistic coded rather then being explicitly autistic. A good example would be the character Entrapta from the She-Ra reboot.
Community has a main character who is on the spectrum- Abed. Aside from being an incredibly clever and funny show, it treats Abed with care(the creator of the show actually found out he was on the spectrum through writing Abed!), with his friends aware of his disability but still treating him like a human being, both being respectful and holding him accountable when he messes up. Highly recommend Community for both the representation and the laughs!
@@TheWrathAbove I like the new Twyla from Monster High.
@@TheWrathAboveDr. Reid from Criminal Minds is a good example. Like the Good Doctor show should have gone that route… not this route…
You know what would make this work? If instead of being autistic, Freddie Highmore instead just portrayed an ANDROID trying to learn how to be human while working as a surgeon.
Maybe the good doctor isn't autistic, maybe he's just a robot and he says he's autistic to shut people up.
The show brings attention to very real situations like breakdowns as an adult, fidgeting/talking with hands, and having trouble responding to certain stimuli. But all that has to be dramatized for shows like this which never seems to end well.
I AM A STURGEON 🐟
My husband is autistic and the idea of him talking to me like this when i was in labor had me in literal tears 😂
I’m SO glad that there are people who don’t like this show. I thought I was going crazy for a bit.
As an autistic person I can confirm I am, in fact, a surgeon.
Get Collin Farrell and have him act like he did in killing of a sacred deer
As a white person, I think RDJ has done a fantastic job in his method acting career as a white man. He's only ever dropped the act for Tropic Thunder, but towards the end he brings back the method and turns into a white guy for the rest of the film. 😂
I feel like it's also worth noting that the actor who plays the autistic doctor supports autism speaks, aka a super evil company thing that actively is trying to find a "cute" for autism, along with many other things (esp misinformation ABOUT autism) that are not good!
What is the neurotypical obsession with writing about shit they know nothing about? I genuinely cannot understand how someone can go to the trouble of writing and producing an entire show, movie, book, whatever, and not consulting or listening to a single person within the community they are trying to represent.
the trending scene is definitely funny because its played by a non autistic person but i find it quite sad because it seemed to be him displaying a meltdown and i think some people may be laughing at that part of it. idk i watched a great video abt autistic rep in media by foster on the spectrum that i think ppl should watch
Honestly I'm glad they did no research or nothing cause this is so unintentionally funny
I’m autistic and I hate this show more that I can put into words. It enrages me. It infuriates me. Every time he talks it feels like I’m being slapped in the face.
No one of the staff is autistic. For the whole show. They didn't even ask autistic people for notes. In fact, The Good Doctor partnered with Autism Speaks, the eugenics endorsing organization.
Robert Downey Jr. In Tropic Thunder is the perfect comparison. The actors are not doing anything differently, it's just what's around that changed. Where as in Tropic Thunder, a real black actor calls him out and he I'd played off as a dick and for laughs... the Good Doctor takes itself ultra serious.
Like how Big Bang Theory writers, write make they think nerds sound like, the Good Doctor writers write what they think Autism is like. For as much as I dislike Big bang Theory, it's no where near as insulting or offensive as the good Doctor.
Remember, a ducking mutated ninja turtle who’s a teenager that lives in a sewer represents autism better than this
When you guys said "There's GOT to be actors with autism" my first thought was how Anthony Hopkins is autistic...
This show looks amazingly terrible.
the fact that when my friend only remembered what autism was when i was talking about it is this scene from the good doctor, is rlly sad
love this podcast
I hate this show sm because my mom watches it, and she thinks that it helps her understand my autistic brother’s perspective. It doesn’t. He’s not even a doctor.
It’s weird because this show received praise for so long until super recently
I sadly got the good at almost everything but can’t do school AuDHD. Due to executive dysfunction, an inability to stay focused, and the fact that I don’t look autistic (making it impossible to get any real accommodations) I barely passed high school and have failed out of college 2 times. I’m 22 and struggle to find a job. Shit sucks bruh. My strengths are sadly in video and audio production… a path notorious for not making you money :/
As an autistic person I can confirm my arms do not move independently
The unhinged laugh that came out of me at c3po
Freddy Highmore is a good actor, but it's not a well written character that he playing.
The writer for House and The Good Doctor is not good representing neurodivergent groups or sexual minorities.
maybe he's a surgeon, but he sounds like a Dalek from Doctor Who!
Okay so I took the time to write out some pointers to why the show (but more importantly the autism) is so poorly written, from an autistic-writer and scientist’s pov:
First off, I was newly diagnosed when this show came out and so being at a loss of who I was I thought the show was good and I both liked and disliked the autism representation. So my opinion didn’t come strictly from hating.
Going onto his character; he has autism (seemingly stage 2 where he’s less independent than someone with Asperger/autism 1) and savant syndrome (a diagnosis that isn’t ever really diagnosed and is mainly found in lower iq folks).
This is no hate to the actor who actually played the poorly written character very convincingly, but rather to the research team.
Because why couldn’t he have just been autistic and very nerdy, or have Asperger syndrome but struggle with the pressure of adulthood. You can be high functioning and still be low functioning in many areas such as work or social settings, something that is WAY more prevalent and could really have cast a light on how to deal with these situations.
Also, now I can’t speak on this fully but I do have fairly similar talents as savant (hyperthymesia aka photographic memory: thinking too much or remembering absolutely everything all the time which is exhausting & hyperphantasia: overly realistic thinking and fantasy) so I can do similar things to what he could only it’s way more scattered in terms of areas.
This show’s portrayal is extremely insulting as it essentially plays into the Rain Man stereotype where if someone is smart enough to surpass their disabilities they have to be supernaturally gifted. In this case where he has x-Ray vision when his disability pretty much makes him unable to ask for help.
(A more realistic thing would be like with me who remembers everyone and creates mental files on people like Sherlock Holmes, but I’m dyslexic and cannot remember names or birthdays)
The other side of the coin is the surroundings and how they teach people to react to autism. Which is “be angry and negative so when they can do it they’re praised every time. The failures aren’t anomalies in their capabilities but proof of uselessness.”
It’s not a learning curve nor is the autistic character given a realistic response to anything he’s actually given, like Harry Potter in the books where he’s entitled and judgy whereas real kids living their whole lives under judging and abusive guardians are usually way more accepting and more sensitive to rejection.
A realistic autistic person in his shoes would have happily worked their way up to all that a full doctor does because it may happen that along the way there are setbacks we may need to work around so that our dream job doesn’t take too much of a toll on us.
And before I end this TedTalk, the fact that they accurately shown what a meltdown (or I just call them autistic panic/anxiety attacks because that’s essentially what they are) but never showed him going through shutdown because of a drained battery or having to recover from something social…
THAT IS THE WHOLE SHOW IN A NUTSHELL! They get one thing right more than most of Hollywood but then immediately gets three other things so incredibly wrong. The higher your autism stage (1-3) the more energy it takes to do common things and the more recovery you are gonna need. This character should be sleeping like all day but is instead always at the same energy level.
That’s probably the worst offence because it makes so many people assume that you’re lazy or sensitive when you have to leave early, be antisocial, or sleep for a whole day.
That’s at least a condensed version of all the issues wrong with this show without going into the pointless plot😂
Edit: I stopped watching after season 1, now I AM judging the actor’s acting. Jesus.
The speaking pattern is so infuriating. Yes SOME of us talk that way but talk about perpetuating random stereotypes.
how do you think the some of us that talk that way feel with all these people making fun of those speech patterns in these kinds of videos right now?? do they not matter???
when this was in autism communities we criticised the show, now neurotypical people are coming in and just making fun of it in a way that feels hurtful to me.
@Jamsquan I really don't think this actor is capturing those speech patterns at all. They're joking about the actor. Which is again why a neurodivergent actor should be doing it
@@jamsquan9415 this. idk, i get it on one hand, but not only have I met autistic people that have that cadence in their speech, I also recall *my* body language and physical mannerisms before I started masking heavily (around like, middle school) as being pretty similar to Shaun's. Like, stiff and awkward and robotic in that way, especially, and I understand that people *say* that they're just making fun of the way an allistic actor is doing those things, but I'm not sure I believe them. Especially not all of them.
I don't know, I agree with a lot of the criticisms of the show, but people making fun of the character's body language and mannerisms just makes me feel uncomfortable. I'm sorry, but I guarantee that there are plenty of people doing that who would absolutely still be doing it if a legit autistic actor was behind it.
@@jamsquan9415 It annoys me how so much of the criticism of this show boils down to "well, I'M not like that so therefore it's not accurate to any autistic people!" As if the character has to represent every single part of the spectrum.
@@ohno4930 yeah exactly!!! i watched a lot of that show myself, and i have a variety of my own issues and most likely won't watch it again (i'd stopped anyways before NT ppl started shitting on it) but the way neurotypical people are laughing at it doesn't feel like the same way that i am.
Weirdly enough the best rep I've seen for autism was the blue ranger in the live action 2016 power rangers.
As someone with autism who isnt a genius and is just kind of average id love to see more cringe fail autism rep. Also the show is massively supportive of autism speaks which sucks :/
wow this was genuinely a breath of fresh air to hear to hear neurotypical cishet men have very based takes about autism and trans issues. congratz dudes, i love your content more and more
I (autistic) was forced by a friend to watch the good doctor when it first came out, and within the first three eps I had a meltdown because of how upsetting the portrayal of autism was and left her house. makes my blood boil every time I remember that shitshow exists
The other issue with all this is it makes it harder for people to identify they are autistic and get properly diagnosed.
the REAL autistic doctor is house
I AM A SURGEON
But as an autistic person I've seen almost every episode of this show just because I like bad shows. But it's infuriating to watch him be infantalized to this point, because I'm a very high masking autistic person who when I'm masking can make eye contact, I have a decent vocal inflection, I'm able to pick up on sarcasm and jokes. But once people find out I'm autistic there's only 2 reactions people ever have.
Either it's total shock and awe and "I never would have guessed! You're so good at hiding it! Good job!" As if that's some kind of compliment. As if autism is some deep dark shame I have to hide away from people and masking isn't the most exhausting part of my day. As if I don't HAVE to mask to have a job, to go to a restaurant, to do ANYTHING.
Or they immediately start treating me differently. They'll make a joke or use sarcasm then immediately "that was a joke/sarcasm" when I was obviously understanding it before they knew. I've had someone flat out cut me off before I could order at a restaurant with "He's autistic, so I'll order for him." As if I didn't know how to do it myself. I wear headphones to help with sensory issues and my own parents will act like I'm a child carrying around my favorite stuffed animal, just in the most patronizing tone "do you have your headphones? Do you want me to get them for you?" As if I'm not 23 fucking years old and they didn't even know i was autistic until a YEAR AGO.
Shows like this just make people believe more than we need to be coddled. That there's something "wrong" with us.