PSA ABOUT BED BUGS because if I can save one person from the horror I experienced my job is done: bed bugs can live up to ten YEARS without feeding and they DO NOT APPEAR during the daytime, only at night and ONLY when a food source (i.e. a person) is sitting on the infested fabric item. So there's no way they'd know bed bugs were in or on it until they were using it.
@@Ramberta ok i think the miscommunication is that bedbugs can survive a while just from the dead skin left over from people sleeping on sitting or whatever. But they're still eating. Otherwise they can live up to 400 days.
@@maleprincess62 okay yes I admit my wording was confusing because I meant they can survive on not feeding on blood specifically for years. you are correct that they do need detritus which is why they love to hole up inside mattresses and pieces of well-worn furniture.
If it’s on the curb because someone’s getting rid of it, it’s fair game. I’ve gotten plenty of furniture someone else took out to the dumpster. I wouldn’t personally get something after it’s been rained on, but I don’t think there’s anything ethically wrong with it.
it's not the ethics that are being discussed, although I sincerely hope for her sake that this is all a faked video for clickbait. In fact I'd go so far as to congratulate her for that because it's better than the alternative, that she had a perfectly good couch already and risked infection and infestation all for the supposed 'value' of a thing that stopped being worth 8k the second someone paid 8k for it and took it off the lot.
I don't think anyone would argue that it's ethically better to reuse things, but most people also don't trust a used mattress. I think the concern was more about if it's clean/safe when you don't know the background
it's fair game, it's not safe or healthy. couches are literally all porous surfaces and especially in the rain are the best place for bugs, mold, and bacteria to grow/propagate. i imagine you dont have a mattress that was put out, soaking wet on the curb for 12-24 hours, and then slept on it. and a couch is even higher risk of all the concerns from that.
that’s not what the discourse surrounding it was… it was more so about picking up a dirty old couch which could be infested with bedbugs and other harmful stuff off the side of the street and putting it in your home
This whole thing is so bizarre to me, because where I'm from people regularly leave all sorts of stuff outside their front garden and advertise it as free to take on community pages. Is this not a thing anywhere else ?
take into account new york is a busy city with tons of pollution and rat problems and stuff like that, it most likely was not on a friendly neighbourhood where everybody knows each other lmao
Nothing wrong with taking old things off the sidewalk that are just being thrown away, but something like a couch could have all kinds of nasty things on it (bed bugs, mold, general gross food stains, ... cum) so people are freaking out bc it's gross.
This is super commonplace in the Midwest suburbs. I feel like she should have cleaned it more thoroughly than her sister who didn’t do a good job. Odds are these rich folks who bought an 8k couch replaced it with a 12k couch and threw the old one out
Not couches. Not anything with fabric on it. There’s a reason it’s getting picked up on the street, I’m not really pissed at the girl but picking up anything with fabric on it that’s been OUTSIDE is never going anywhere near me.
@@AleksandarBell People do put couches and shit outside 💀 I grew up in a lower middle class family and one of our couches was literally found outside. It is a normal occurrence.
@@Goth_Bat i dont think thats theyre point. people put couches outside but its not a smart thing to take them considering how infested and dirty it might be.
yeah, especially if you don't have much income! sometimes buying a whole ahh couch is a luxury (e.g. you're not able to work due to disability or mental health issues)
Oh I remember seeing this blow up on twitter. People were disgusted by them bringing the couch home because of the risk of bugs, and others were saying "this is new york, rich people get rid of perfectly good furniture a lot in the rich areas."
Even rich people furniture could have an infestation, and then your entire home could get infested and you have to throw out all your stuff. It’s not even worth the risk.
Man when I lived in my first apartment I slept on a broken old couch that another student housing complex had left on the street because I was dead broke. Also when we moved out we left my roommates almost brand new mattress out on the street because we couldn’t fit it with the rest of our stuff. People getting this heated over something like this is so insane.
@@Ramberta everyone should be allowed to evaluate the situation and decide if they want to risk it without ridicule though. Some people are desperate, and you CAN check for bedbugs/take precautions. Nothing wrong with giving someone a heads up that it's risky, but y'all are being way too degrading when this girl isn't hurting anyone
my completely unnecessary opinion on this whole thing: -there's nothing wrong with taking items that are out on the curb as long as it's clear they're up for grabs (don't take a bike that's on the curb, lol). sometimes people throw decent things away, or even intentionally leave things on the curb hoping someone else will take it -use common sense when taking curb items. they may be fine, but there may be problems. i generally stay away from anything soft and/or upholstered due to risks of insects or mold/mildew -if you do decide to take an upholstered item, clean it thoroughly and correctly. you may even want to invest in hiring stanley steemer or another furniture cleaning service -the woman in this tiktok did NOT clean the couch correctly, and this may cause problems down the line -if you look through some of her other videos, it's clear she has the money to spare on getting the couch properly cleaned. i don't know why she didn't -this woman also already had a perfectly good couch that wasn't even a year old. what did she do with it? i don't think we know. i'm a big proponent of reusing items, but the positive environmental and economic impact of picking up a second-hand couch is somewhat negated if it replaces a new one. i hope she gave it away -people are up in arms about classism, and i understand. i grew up lower-middle class in a high-income city and curbside furniture finds were (and still are!) always exciting. salvaging furniture should be normalized because it is both environmentally and economically beneficial. however, the woman who found this couch was not in need of a couch and is not struggling for money. something rubs me the wrong way about how this is a cute quirky thing to her like "omg i found a designer couch everyone come see how lucky i am!!!" when furniture scavenging is a necessity for many people tldr: grabbing furniture off the street is fine, make sure you clean it thoroughly and are aware of risks (pests/mold), if you're replacing furniture give it away instead of throwing it out; the only real problem i have with this whole situation is that she's well-off but didn't care enough to spend money on cleaning it correctly
The original brand came out and verified that the couch is directly from their website and the reason for the different material is because it was custom made.
@@georgiap1236I could not find this information anywhere. It has tags that are warn, but that doesn’t prove authenticity. There’s articles where other people found a blue Roche Bobois couch for a few hundred dollars. The article I did find said, from Roche Bobois, “we do have a marshmallow blue fabric style like the one in the video (it’s a specialty fabric but we do offer it) and the tag appears authentic, there’s a unique style of stitching that we would have to check to see if it is authentic, but it could be.” Which is not confirmation. Nor was any follow up with if the stitching was correct.
It's extremely normal. I don't know if I'd have taken that couch, but I've taken wooden furniture before. A lot of stuff gets thrown out even when it's not broken or can be easily fixed.
@@amynellibabi right but that's how I feel too which is WHY her taking this big couch made me squeamish. like people are acting like it's the entire act of taking curb furniture that's being criticized when literally no it's THIS couch that looks impossible to sanitize. I'd take one look at that and go nope, not worth the effort at all for the risk.
The whole vibe of this situation is funny af; everyone is so heated over picking up a couch. Aint nothin wrong with picking up a couch. I know how to clean furniture, and i sure as hell know the signs of bed bugs.
Even if you do, this girl clearly doesn't know anything about how to safely take discarded items. That's the problem. Also the fact that it's wasteful because she didn't need a new couch, she just wanted one that was a status symbol.
Having had to deal with a bed bug infestation, DO NOT do this. Bed bugs are notoriously difficult to get rid of. Like my apartment had to be super heated in order to kill them all
I mean it does take 6 to 9 days for bed bug eggs to hatch. So if she didn't see any in two week. She is right it mostly none. I would still treat it for 2 weeks to be sure. Second hand furniture at thrift store are usually treated for a few weeks . (IF THE OWNERS CARE) it will be find. People do trade perfectly good furniture alot. Either it's out of style or they don't like the furniture anymore and they trash it. It is a thing. My friend aunt died and left him her house with furniture. He trash everything that he personally didn't like. And I seen people break up and throw out couches that the other person brought them. She not lying about people throwing out furniture at all cause I got a softer couch and trashed my perfectly fine couch but I did announce to fb that if anyone wanted it it would be outside till trash day. Someone did get it. I will however agree I wouldn't take a couch that been in the rain nor would I take a couch and not have it cleaned. Even if it was given to me by someone I know. I just don't think it's as bad as yall making it out to be rehab furniture is so much better than landfill furniture. Personally the couch is ugly but she will be fine. And if she didn't clean the couch and lied about it then she knows she wrong and gross
maybe individual resale shops do this, but major thrift stores like Goodwill and Savers absolutely do not do anything to their furniture donations besides wipe them down a little.
i pulled a dorm mattress from a dumpster at my university so I cannot judge anyone. the mattress had duct tape patching a rip on the back so i figured that’s why it got thrown out. but i was a broke college kid with no bed for my apartment so i took what i could. i’m on couch girl’s side. although i’d tell her not to post about her life, she’s not a great story teller and she’s just going to be scrutinized.
Mean for being confused that she swapped out a perfectly good couch for a potential source of infection and/or infestation? Lmao. I haven't had a couch for most of my adult life and yet, I'd never do this.
@@Ramberta good for you. i just said the barrage of nasty things thrown her way because she made a decision (which wasn’t harmful to anyone else) that people wouldn’t do in her place is kind of weird, and to me it speaks to this weird mindset we have nowadays that people on the other side of the screen aren’t even people at all
@@pinguwingu. If she lives in a single family house you'd have a point, but if she lives in a shared building then this action wouldn't just affect her if she was unlucky enough to have any issues with the couch such as mold or a bug infestation that could potentially spread to other units. Not saying that this means she's a bad person but she took a huge unnecessary risk. It's not being "mean" to point that out. You only need to experience toxic mold or bed bugs one time, to know it pays to be cautious!
I'm kinda confused by people saying this is a normal curb find. Literally the first rule of picking up furniture from the curb is to not take smth mostly made of fabric?? especially if it's been raining??? the actual cost of cleaning that thing is probably more than the couch is worth seeing how it's very clearly a cheap dupe. and she already had a couch.
YES THANK YOU. like this isnt a "class divide" thing, she blatantly WASTED perfectly fine furniture and ignored every single red flag and rule of picking up curb finds. cannot stand people acting like it's classism to say "that was a bad and unhealthy thing to do." like, a ton of my stuff is thrifted and found on curbs. i didnt pick them up soaking wet with tears in the middle of new york and not properly inspect them for any signs of concern.
Yeah; the only thing that got to me is that she described finding it in the pouring rain. Curb finds are absolutely fine. However, the main rule drilled into me has been if furniture has been outside in the rain, it does not go in your house. Once rained on, that couch will never be the same again - the fabric will be mildewy and the springs rusted out.
but do you really put stuff out on the sidewalk like that, rather than in a dumpster area for trash pickup? I live in a city and I've never seen stuff blocking the sidewalk like that lol
@@Ramberta I see it constantly, all the time. Old TVs, couches, rugs, parts of cars, your sidewalk is basically your dumpster in places like this. The city is AWFUL at picking up trash and people just leave stuff wherever. It's quite common
I understand people being concerned for mold or bugs, but why are people actually mad at her? Like people are making assumptions about her intentions and what she did with her old couch because she seems to be well off. Ya'll don't know if she sold it, gave it away, or just moved it to a different room. I get that it's an unnecessary risk, especially because she has no need for a new couch, but that doesn't make her a bad person. Just making a bad decision.
I gotta say these are some yall are too bougie, Literally everyone I lived with or knew in NYC had some piece of curbed furniture in their house. In fact, if you didn't want to throw something away you left it on the curb specifically so someone would grab it.
I use plenty of curbed furniture too... wood and metal and glass curb furniture lmao I'd rather have zero couch than a curb couch, no idea where it's been!!! (To be extremely clear, I do not currently have a couch!)
But it’s also clear some of y’all defending her have never had bedbugs. They’re literally a nightmare. I didn’t renew my lease in a place I really liked because it had bedbugs and the landlord did nothing about it for an entire month.
Somebody living in New York who is willing to spend $8000 on a couch is probably also more than willing to just throw it out on the curb when it gets a couple rips in it.
FYI I work at a sofa shop and a lady came in complaining that the sofa she ordered from us smelled of damp. When she left i said to my boss, sooo…should we be concerned about that? And he said he’s been to the warehouse and when they run out of room they put sofas outside under a plastic sheet. In England, tbc. And he kinda shrugged about it. So none of you bitches are safe from exposed sofas
lol you think people who have experienced bedbugs aren't aware of a class divide??? we've learned from our mistakes and don't want her to make the same one!
@@Hi-en7xx bedbugs don't come out during the daytime and wait for people to be nearby for easy feeding, so no, they wouldn't have noticed unless they spent hours at night sitting on the couch first.
@@Ramberta I think the OP is referring to the fact that there are people who get second hand furniture all the time, even off the curb. A free couch with some wear and tear and needs to be cleaned can be a lot nicer than no couch.
The couch has tears in the upholstery and stains, which is probably why it was put out (presumably for large trash pickup) She really would have needed to bring it to be reupholstered which would likely cost more than a new mid range couch. Roche Bobois doesn’t have that color on their website, but they are definitely a ritzy enough company that they have a whole acronym for customer’s own material. Custom upholstery is pretty common for manufacturers which build to order. My Mom and I used to drive around fancy Bergen county NJ neighborhoods on large trash pickup day. We would generally only take wood or other materials, but we got some great pieces. Both to keep and have in the house, and later for Mom to sell in a stall she had in an antiques mall.
Idk how it is in New York or wherever those internet critics are living but where I live, in suburbia, it’s totally normal to leave out unused or unwanted furniture on the curb for free. Usually people will leave a sign with it that says “free” or something, but sometimes they don’t and it’s still fair game. I’m seeing other people in the comments saying this is normal so I doubt it’s as uncommon as the commenters on her videos were making it out to be.
I honestly don't get what the big deal is. I live in Maine and this is super common here. You have an old piece of furniture that you aren't going to use anymore? Selling it is work, just set it on the front lawn. Someone who will use it will come grab it in like a week. Both of the couches in my house were gotten off the side of the road. My assumption is that the couch had seen some wear and tear and the owners didn't feel like selling it when they got a new one. Especially if it's a reproduction instead of a real one.
As someone who lives in a college town, we have grabbed a few couches from students on move out day. We did an inspection and a deep clean and but also didn't pick them up from rain 😂
I got so frustrated watching this lmao I am lower class and it's actually really awesome finding GOOD furniture on the side of the road. I cleaned and patched an old grandma couch and sat and watched this video on it. It's super clean and it was free! Cleaned it with the power of lesbian. Me and my partner scrubbed it brushed it clean of hair and dust and covered in baking soda then spray with white vinegar. Let dry in the sun or by a vent in the house or window and it's brand new damn near. All the potential bugs like daddy long legs should leave during the cleaning. If you are thurough and follow a youtube tutorial it should be fully xleaned and ready without worry of icky stuff. Bed bugs scare me for sure and my only gripe with this lady is the fact it got rained on....IN NEW YORK. I live in the midwest
Fr the raining thing is what got me too but the amount of people going on one extreme or the other is very frustrating. It’s either “it’s not classism it’s just gross!” Or “it’s a perfectly fine couch!” Without a middle ground. Plus, the people saying she wasted a perfectly good piece of furniture getting rid of her other couch when it wasn’t stated what she did with it. The internet goes wild over the dumbest shit I swear 💀
Picking up this stuff ia super normal in the suburbs that I'm in, but to the rich people replacing their furniture often. There's a another suburb nearby that's pretty wealthy. People just throw out perfectly good flatscreens and furniture because its not the new stuff. Went by a place that had left out 5 flatscreen tvs, they couldn't have been more than 2 years old.
Thought the issue was that she didnt sell it...😅 i mean if i find 8 grands worth of shit couch thats rent sorted for a minute. Maybe thats just my broke ass
where i live, picking up furniture left out on street curbs is a super normal thing, people leave their stuff outside their houses all the time and itll usually be gone by later that day!! pretty reliable way of getting nice free stuff, usually its just a product of people moving and not having enough space in their house for everything. then again i live in a pretty poor rural area so everyones always looking for free stuff lol. either way this seems like rich people discourse to me, my broke ass would not turn down a free couch no matter what it's infested with
My initial thought is this maybe being a publicity stunt? Something to get people talking about the product? Although i don't know if that really makes sense bc of the rips and stains. Who knows! It's a weird situation overall
It does look to me exactly like a well staged ad. She literally talked about how easy it is to clean, how it fit in her elevator, and how it fit well in her room.
I pick up furniture, refurbish it, and either resell it or keep it and lemme tell you I don’t pick up stuff that has too much cushioning on it i.e. a couch. If I pick up say a wooden chair with a seat cushion I rip all that off and replace it, no need to take chances and it’s not usually an expensive fix either
Yeah this is a normal occurrence here, everyone leaves furniture out all the time. We’re poor af out here. I’ve scored 2 cat trees and an entertainment center. You can pick up bed bugs from a floor model couch in a store - do you have any idea how many people “Test them out.” Clean it, fumigate it, keep an eye on it. I saw a meme this was a similar couch in an orgy and thought that was why people were upset. Imagine my surprise when it’s actually just classism lol
free furniture is free furniture. almost everything in my apartment is used. welcome to the working class. the fact that it has been rained on is my issue.
yeah I mean, you basically hit on the main reason why it's a controversy in the last few words of your comment-- I'm literally sitting on a thrifted wooden and metal chair right now. I'd never purchase a fabric chair or couch secondhand though unless I knew the household or place it came from. you only need to get bedbugs once, to know it pays to be cautious.
Alot of people with not a lot of money do this half my furniture is from the street, I'm a student and don't have enough money, also who cares? Why do these Twitter people care so much, it's such a non issue feels like privilege to me
It’s not privilege. If you have an infestation, you can end up having to throw away everything you have. Bedding, wooden furniture, electronics even. Bedbugs get into everything and are really invasive. Most people do not have the money to replace all their stuff like that. I don’t think it’s bad to want to save someone from that hassle/cost.
Long story short she is in New York and the people who are mad have never lived here. We literally have no buy apps/groups where we tell people hey I have this expensive thing I don't want here is where you pick it up. People just like to be mad.
If things are being given out, usually they have a sign, right? Like, my neighbor did a free junk sale where they left a bunch of stuff on their lawn. If they didnt have a poster saying it was free, I never would have taken anything. Who just takes stuff?? 😭
I've scavenged furniture before (got a few dining chairs and a Large glass tank right now even that we got from the curb and cleaned off), but idk if I'd do anything that's Absorbent or hard to clean like a couch or mattress, and idk *Especially* if I'd do that in like NYC specifically where I've heard that bed bugs are a huge problem because of the population density (since I have no idea how to check for them or get rid of them if they happen). Things like dressers, chairs, lamps, etc. though...??? fair game, no point in it going to a landfill if it's not broken or salvageable, new furniture is $$$$$
don't people understand that some people get new furniture and then give away the old furniture?? I have seen it happen daily here in Europe. Not every old thing has to be thrown away or sold to people, they can just be picked up off the street!!
Mmmmm see i love second hand furniture. Im a pretty poor person so free shit? Im gonna find a way to use it. Deep cleaning is somethimg im capable of, repairing is something i can do, i can fix it up and make it look brand new as lomg as theres something to work off of. Honestly, other than it being a goofy ass design, i dont think theres much wrong with the concept of this video (tho i do think its fake bc this stuff is fake so often)
@@starsiadrawsShe could’ve cleaned it off camera too after seeing criticism 💀 People angry over a minute video of someone finding and cleaning a couch is the goofiest thing
I mean it's kind of gross... but people do pay for used couches and I kind of think similar things about that... but point is, this isn't that abnormal besides the couch just being thought to be expensive.
Hate to break it to y'all, but wealthy people are genuinely insane and dgaf about how much something cost if they don't want it anymore. Just a few weeks ago, another TH-camr I watched let everyone know that a chair his assistant bought off Facebook Marketplace for $50 sold at auction at Sotheby's for $85,000. The lady who sold it knew how much it was worth; she just didn't care enough to sell it properly. And that was in LA, where people have big fucking houses; this girl was in NYC. The person who owned it before her probably had a dog that tore up the couch a bit and maybe got mud on it. Not a big deal.
Have these guys never been poor? Or known someone who is poor? This reeks of having no understanding of what it's like to want nice things and not be able to afford them. I and so many people I know have taken discarded furniture and cleaned/repaired it so with a little effort we could have something much juicer than we could ever afford.
Ppl will thrift couches. Especially pricey ones and clean them up and refurbish etc...they're so mad this chicken took one from outside a rich building and dried it out/cleaned it up? Smh I don't hate it. If it is properly cleaned. Doesn't stink. Then good for her. I'm sure if it had bugs she will know haha I have my expensive coffee table for over 10 years now that I got the same way haha
I think people are too worked up about this. Let's not forget some people can't afford furniture and often will get them from thrift stores (and thrift stores don't clean them either, so if you do get one, please clean it) as someone who grew up poor, this was the norm for my family, grabbing things that were thrown out, cleaning it and giving it new life. Also there are cleaning solutions made specifically to kill and clean up bed bugs.
...she literally HAD a perfectly good couch ALREADY. You really gonna argue that's poverty behavior to swap out a nice couch for a potentially infested/molded one????? lmfao
privilege?? I haven't even had a couch for years and yet I would never do something like this. because I've dealt with bed bugs lmao. it's just not worth the risk.
@@RambertaYou’re in this comment section a lot replying about your experience when you’re not the only poor person in the world. Lots of people, my family included, have gotten couches off the side of the road bc they were too poor to buy one or saw an opportunity to get a free couch. It’s a normal thing people do, stop acting like it’s not.
@@Goth_Bat oh yeah super normal to take in a couch that's been rained on and has rips and stains LOL get outta here. you don't have to defend this tiktoker because she's poor too you know!
PSA ABOUT BED BUGS because if I can save one person from the horror I experienced my job is done: bed bugs can live up to ten YEARS without feeding and they DO NOT APPEAR during the daytime, only at night and ONLY when a food source (i.e. a person) is sitting on the infested fabric item. So there's no way they'd know bed bugs were in or on it until they were using it.
Bed bugs can live 20-400 days without feeding. A long time but Not ten years
@@maleprincess62 that's why I said "up to", not that every single bed bug lives for 10 years.
@@Ramberta ok i think the miscommunication is that bedbugs can survive a while just from the dead skin left over from people sleeping on sitting or whatever. But they're still eating. Otherwise they can live up to 400 days.
@@maleprincess62 okay yes I admit my wording was confusing because I meant they can survive on not feeding on blood specifically for years. you are correct that they do need detritus which is why they love to hole up inside mattresses and pieces of well-worn furniture.
Bed Bugs are one of those creatures that convince me that God is real and they are a major asshole
If it’s on the curb because someone’s getting rid of it, it’s fair game. I’ve gotten plenty of furniture someone else took out to the dumpster. I wouldn’t personally get something after it’s been rained on, but I don’t think there’s anything ethically wrong with it.
people are upset about it being dirty
it's not the ethics that are being discussed, although I sincerely hope for her sake that this is all a faked video for clickbait. In fact I'd go so far as to congratulate her for that because it's better than the alternative, that she had a perfectly good couch already and risked infection and infestation all for the supposed 'value' of a thing that stopped being worth 8k the second someone paid 8k for it and took it off the lot.
I don't think anyone would argue that it's ethically better to reuse things, but most people also don't trust a used mattress. I think the concern was more about if it's clean/safe when you don't know the background
it's fair game, it's not safe or healthy. couches are literally all porous surfaces and especially in the rain are the best place for bugs, mold, and bacteria to grow/propagate.
i imagine you dont have a mattress that was put out, soaking wet on the curb for 12-24 hours, and then slept on it. and a couch is even higher risk of all the concerns from that.
that’s not what the discourse surrounding it was… it was more so about picking up a dirty old couch which could be infested with bedbugs and other harmful stuff off the side of the street and putting it in your home
This whole thing is so bizarre to me, because where I'm from people regularly leave all sorts of stuff outside their front garden and advertise it as free to take on community pages. Is this not a thing anywhere else ?
take into account new york is a busy city with tons of pollution and rat problems and stuff like that, it most likely was not on a friendly neighbourhood where everybody knows each other lmao
It's totally a thing in New York
If it was a less shitty couch and was dry I'd get it
Nothing wrong with taking old things off the sidewalk that are just being thrown away, but something like a couch could have all kinds of nasty things on it (bed bugs, mold, general gross food stains, ... cum) so people are freaking out bc it's gross.
This is super commonplace in the Midwest suburbs. I feel like she should have cleaned it more thoroughly than her sister who didn’t do a good job. Odds are these rich folks who bought an 8k couch replaced it with a 12k couch and threw the old one out
isn’t this normal??? people do this all the time when furniture is put outside
Not couches. Not anything with fabric on it. There’s a reason it’s getting picked up on the street, I’m not really pissed at the girl but picking up anything with fabric on it that’s been OUTSIDE is never going anywhere near me.
@@AleksandarBell People do put couches and shit outside 💀 I grew up in a lower middle class family and one of our couches was literally found outside. It is a normal occurrence.
@@Goth_Bat i dont think thats theyre point. people put couches outside but its not a smart thing to take them considering how infested and dirty it might be.
yeah, especially if you don't have much income! sometimes buying a whole ahh couch is a luxury (e.g. you're not able to work due to disability or mental health issues)
@@jane_gorelove doesn't really apply here considering she already had a normal couch
Oh I remember seeing this blow up on twitter. People were disgusted by them bringing the couch home because of the risk of bugs, and others were saying "this is new york, rich people get rid of perfectly good furniture a lot in the rich areas."
Someone said that there were generations of bedbugs in it, that it was their ancestral home now 😂 but I didn't see the actual memes about it
Even rich people furniture could have an infestation, and then your entire home could get infested and you have to throw out all your stuff. It’s not even worth the risk.
Checking out the furniture for signs of infestation beforehand is pretty simple.
@@danjo2080 it’s not, they’re very small and good at hiding
@@AmyAberrant you look for evidence of their existence, not the bugs themselves. Bugs aren't perfectly clean, they have to poop too.
Ok but honestly? The couch looks really cute with her rug
Man when I lived in my first apartment I slept on a broken old couch that another student housing complex had left on the street because I was dead broke. Also when we moved out we left my roommates almost brand new mattress out on the street because we couldn’t fit it with the rest of our stuff. People getting this heated over something like this is so insane.
I'm so glad you've never had to deal with the nightmare of getting bed bugs from secondhand furniture you had to use out of necessity!
@@Ramberta dawg why are u under every comment that has a different opinion than u😭💀
@@kaixkai0 have you ever lived with bed bugs? No? Then mind your business.
@@Ramberta everyone should be allowed to evaluate the situation and decide if they want to risk it without ridicule though. Some people are desperate, and you CAN check for bedbugs/take precautions. Nothing wrong with giving someone a heads up that it's risky, but y'all are being way too degrading when this girl isn't hurting anyone
my completely unnecessary opinion on this whole thing:
-there's nothing wrong with taking items that are out on the curb as long as it's clear they're up for grabs (don't take a bike that's on the curb, lol). sometimes people throw decent things away, or even intentionally leave things on the curb hoping someone else will take it
-use common sense when taking curb items. they may be fine, but there may be problems. i generally stay away from anything soft and/or upholstered due to risks of insects or mold/mildew
-if you do decide to take an upholstered item, clean it thoroughly and correctly. you may even want to invest in hiring stanley steemer or another furniture cleaning service
-the woman in this tiktok did NOT clean the couch correctly, and this may cause problems down the line
-if you look through some of her other videos, it's clear she has the money to spare on getting the couch properly cleaned. i don't know why she didn't
-this woman also already had a perfectly good couch that wasn't even a year old. what did she do with it? i don't think we know. i'm a big proponent of reusing items, but the positive environmental and economic impact of picking up a second-hand couch is somewhat negated if it replaces a new one. i hope she gave it away
-people are up in arms about classism, and i understand. i grew up lower-middle class in a high-income city and curbside furniture finds were (and still are!) always exciting. salvaging furniture should be normalized because it is both environmentally and economically beneficial. however, the woman who found this couch was not in need of a couch and is not struggling for money. something rubs me the wrong way about how this is a cute quirky thing to her like "omg i found a designer couch everyone come see how lucky i am!!!" when furniture scavenging is a necessity for many people
tldr: grabbing furniture off the street is fine, make sure you clean it thoroughly and are aware of risks (pests/mold), if you're replacing furniture give it away instead of throwing it out; the only real problem i have with this whole situation is that she's well-off but didn't care enough to spend money on cleaning it correctly
Jarvis being Jordan's translator is so sweet:)
A general rule of thumb is not not pick up soft furniture off the street. I understand wanting the couch, but it's on the safest thing to do
The funniest thing is that the couch is obviously a fake. The material is so plainly wrong when you check the site.
The original brand came out and verified that the couch is directly from their website and the reason for the different material is because it was custom made.
@@georgiap1236I could not find this information anywhere.
It has tags that are warn, but that doesn’t prove authenticity.
There’s articles where other people found a blue Roche Bobois couch for a few hundred dollars.
The article I did find said, from Roche Bobois, “we do have a marshmallow blue fabric style like the one in the video (it’s a specialty fabric but we do offer it) and the tag appears authentic, there’s a unique style of stitching that we would have to check to see if it is authentic, but it could be.”
Which is not confirmation. Nor was any follow up with if the stitching was correct.
I am not a New Yorker, but I feel like picking up furniture from the street is pretty normal in NYC. The pouring rain thing is troubling through.
It's extremely normal. I don't know if I'd have taken that couch, but I've taken wooden furniture before. A lot of stuff gets thrown out even when it's not broken or can be easily fixed.
@@amynellibabi right but that's how I feel too which is WHY her taking this big couch made me squeamish. like people are acting like it's the entire act of taking curb furniture that's being criticized when literally no it's THIS couch that looks impossible to sanitize. I'd take one look at that and go nope, not worth the effort at all for the risk.
The whole vibe of this situation is funny af; everyone is so heated over picking up a couch. Aint nothin wrong with picking up a couch. I know how to clean furniture, and i sure as hell know the signs of bed bugs.
Even if you do, this girl clearly doesn't know anything about how to safely take discarded items. That's the problem. Also the fact that it's wasteful because she didn't need a new couch, she just wanted one that was a status symbol.
@@starsiadrawswho cares what reason she wanted it, now she can give away her couch
@@starsiadraws are ppl actually upset that she got it bc she didn't "need" it? bc that is hilarious if true
Holy shit it's EEF! A crossover I never expected, but am super excited about. I hope you guys do videos together more often!
Having had to deal with a bed bug infestation, DO NOT do this. Bed bugs are notoriously difficult to get rid of. Like my apartment had to be super heated in order to kill them all
I mean it does take 6 to 9 days for bed bug eggs to hatch. So if she didn't see any in two week. She is right it mostly none. I would still treat it for 2 weeks to be sure. Second hand furniture at thrift store are usually treated for a few weeks . (IF THE OWNERS CARE) it will be find. People do trade perfectly good furniture alot. Either it's out of style or they don't like the furniture anymore and they trash it. It is a thing. My friend aunt died and left him her house with furniture. He trash everything that he personally didn't like. And I seen people break up and throw out couches that the other person brought them. She not lying about people throwing out furniture at all cause I got a softer couch and trashed my perfectly fine couch but I did announce to fb that if anyone wanted it it would be outside till trash day. Someone did get it.
I will however agree I wouldn't take a couch that been in the rain nor would I take a couch and not have it cleaned. Even if it was given to me by someone I know. I just don't think it's as bad as yall making it out to be rehab furniture is so much better than landfill furniture. Personally the couch is ugly but she will be fine. And if she didn't clean the couch and lied about it then she knows she wrong and gross
maybe individual resale shops do this, but major thrift stores like Goodwill and Savers absolutely do not do anything to their furniture donations besides wipe them down a little.
@Ramberta that is why I said if they cared. Goodwill doesn't and we all know they never will
i pulled a dorm mattress from a dumpster at my university so I cannot judge anyone. the mattress had duct tape patching a rip on the back so i figured that’s why it got thrown out. but i was a broke college kid with no bed for my apartment so i took what i could. i’m on couch girl’s side. although i’d tell her not to post about her life, she’s not a great story teller and she’s just going to be scrutinized.
i hated the hate train this person got for like a reasonable thing . like Everyone just got so mean😭
Mean for being confused that she swapped out a perfectly good couch for a potential source of infection and/or infestation? Lmao. I haven't had a couch for most of my adult life and yet, I'd never do this.
@@Ramberta good for you. i just said the barrage of nasty things thrown her way because she made a decision (which wasn’t harmful to anyone else) that people wouldn’t do in her place is kind of weird, and to me it speaks to this weird mindset we have nowadays that people on the other side of the screen aren’t even people at all
@@pinguwingu. If she lives in a single family house you'd have a point, but if she lives in a shared building then this action wouldn't just affect her if she was unlucky enough to have any issues with the couch such as mold or a bug infestation that could potentially spread to other units. Not saying that this means she's a bad person but she took a huge unnecessary risk. It's not being "mean" to point that out. You only need to experience toxic mold or bed bugs one time, to know it pays to be cautious!
I'm kinda confused by people saying this is a normal curb find. Literally the first rule of picking up furniture from the curb is to not take smth mostly made of fabric?? especially if it's been raining??? the actual cost of cleaning that thing is probably more than the couch is worth seeing how it's very clearly a cheap dupe. and she already had a couch.
YES THANK YOU. like this isnt a "class divide" thing, she blatantly WASTED perfectly fine furniture and ignored every single red flag and rule of picking up curb finds. cannot stand people acting like it's classism to say "that was a bad and unhealthy thing to do." like, a ton of my stuff is thrifted and found on curbs. i didnt pick them up soaking wet with tears in the middle of new york and not properly inspect them for any signs of concern.
Yeah; the only thing that got to me is that she described finding it in the pouring rain. Curb finds are absolutely fine. However, the main rule drilled into me has been if furniture has been outside in the rain, it does not go in your house. Once rained on, that couch will never be the same again - the fabric will be mildewy and the springs rusted out.
anyone who is angry at this has never lived in a major city. curb finds are the greatest
but do you really put stuff out on the sidewalk like that, rather than in a dumpster area for trash pickup? I live in a city and I've never seen stuff blocking the sidewalk like that lol
@@Ramberta I see it constantly, all the time. Old TVs, couches, rugs, parts of cars, your sidewalk is basically your dumpster in places like this. The city is AWFUL at picking up trash and people just leave stuff wherever. It's quite common
I understand people being concerned for mold or bugs, but why are people actually mad at her? Like people are making assumptions about her intentions and what she did with her old couch because she seems to be well off. Ya'll don't know if she sold it, gave it away, or just moved it to a different room. I get that it's an unnecessary risk, especially because she has no need for a new couch, but that doesn't make her a bad person. Just making a bad decision.
Oh that's fake af. Roche Bobois couches do not use material that looks like that. She's got the Best Western version of a bedbug infestation now.
I gotta say these are some yall are too bougie, Literally everyone I lived with or knew in NYC had some piece of curbed furniture in their house.
In fact, if you didn't want to throw something away you left it on the curb specifically so someone would grab it.
I use plenty of curbed furniture too... wood and metal and glass curb furniture lmao I'd rather have zero couch than a curb couch, no idea where it's been!!! (To be extremely clear, I do not currently have a couch!)
But it’s also clear some of y’all defending her have never had bedbugs. They’re literally a nightmare. I didn’t renew my lease in a place I really liked because it had bedbugs and the landlord did nothing about it for an entire month.
@@AleksandarBell I'm so sorry you had to suffer like that, that's horrible! Bed bugs are the worst.
Somebody living in New York who is willing to spend $8000 on a couch is probably also more than willing to just throw it out on the curb when it gets a couple rips in it.
FYI I work at a sofa shop and a lady came in complaining that the sofa she ordered from us smelled of damp. When she left i said to my boss, sooo…should we be concerned about that? And he said he’s been to the warehouse and when they run out of room they put sofas outside under a plastic sheet. In England, tbc. And he kinda shrugged about it. So none of you bitches are safe from exposed sofas
The furniture shop on my high street always has its sofas on display on the pavement covered in plastic, even in the pouring rain
Folks being upset about this lady picking up a perfectly fine couch are really just highlighting the class divide.
lol you think people who have experienced bedbugs aren't aware of a class divide??? we've learned from our mistakes and don't want her to make the same one!
@@Ramberta I think she may have noticed while cleaning it away from her apartment
@@Hi-en7xx bedbugs don't come out during the daytime and wait for people to be nearby for easy feeding, so no, they wouldn't have noticed unless they spent hours at night sitting on the couch first.
@@Ramberta I think the OP is referring to the fact that there are people who get second hand furniture all the time, even off the curb. A free couch with some wear and tear and needs to be cleaned can be a lot nicer than no couch.
@@christopher3287But she already had a couch? One that looked nice enough, I just don't see how risking bedbugs is even worth it in that context.
Wow a whole lotta side ass and facing the world in this one fellas
The couch has tears in the upholstery and stains, which is probably why it was put out (presumably for large trash pickup)
She really would have needed to bring it to be reupholstered which would likely cost more than a new mid range couch.
Roche Bobois doesn’t have that color on their website, but they are definitely a ritzy enough company that they have a whole acronym for customer’s own material. Custom upholstery is pretty common for manufacturers which build to order.
My Mom and I used to drive around fancy Bergen county NJ neighborhoods on large trash pickup day. We would generally only take wood or other materials, but we got some great pieces. Both to keep and have in the house, and later for Mom to sell in a stall she had in an antiques mall.
Idk how it is in New York or wherever those internet critics are living but where I live, in suburbia, it’s totally normal to leave out unused or unwanted furniture on the curb for free. Usually people will leave a sign with it that says “free” or something, but sometimes they don’t and it’s still fair game. I’m seeing other people in the comments saying this is normal so I doubt it’s as uncommon as the commenters on her videos were making it out to be.
Literally people will move states or redecorate and just leave furniture on the street to take it's like, a perfectly normal thing
I honestly don't get what the big deal is. I live in Maine and this is super common here. You have an old piece of furniture that you aren't going to use anymore? Selling it is work, just set it on the front lawn. Someone who will use it will come grab it in like a week. Both of the couches in my house were gotten off the side of the road. My assumption is that the couch had seen some wear and tear and the owners didn't feel like selling it when they got a new one. Especially if it's a reproduction instead of a real one.
As someone who lives in a college town, we have grabbed a few couches from students on move out day. We did an inspection and a deep clean and but also didn't pick them up from rain 😂
I got so frustrated watching this lmao I am lower class and it's actually really awesome finding GOOD furniture on the side of the road. I cleaned and patched an old grandma couch and sat and watched this video on it. It's super clean and it was free! Cleaned it with the power of lesbian. Me and my partner scrubbed it brushed it clean of hair and dust and covered in baking soda then spray with white vinegar. Let dry in the sun or by a vent in the house or window and it's brand new damn near. All the potential bugs like daddy long legs should leave during the cleaning. If you are thurough and follow a youtube tutorial it should be fully xleaned and ready without worry of icky stuff. Bed bugs scare me for sure and my only gripe with this lady is the fact it got rained on....IN NEW YORK. I live in the midwest
Fr the raining thing is what got me too but the amount of people going on one extreme or the other is very frustrating. It’s either “it’s not classism it’s just gross!” Or “it’s a perfectly fine couch!” Without a middle ground. Plus, the people saying she wasted a perfectly good piece of furniture getting rid of her other couch when it wasn’t stated what she did with it. The internet goes wild over the dumbest shit I swear 💀
Picking up this stuff ia super normal in the suburbs that I'm in, but to the rich people replacing their furniture often. There's a another suburb nearby that's pretty wealthy. People just throw out perfectly good flatscreens and furniture because its not the new stuff. Went by a place that had left out 5 flatscreen tvs, they couldn't have been more than 2 years old.
i laughed so hard i cried, tahnkkyou for uploading
i personally wouldnt do that, but more power to her imo
Thought the issue was that she didnt sell it...😅 i mean if i find 8 grands worth of shit couch thats rent sorted for a minute. Maybe thats just my broke ass
where i live, picking up furniture left out on street curbs is a super normal thing, people leave their stuff outside their houses all the time and itll usually be gone by later that day!! pretty reliable way of getting nice free stuff, usually its just a product of people moving and not having enough space in their house for everything. then again i live in a pretty poor rural area so everyones always looking for free stuff lol. either way this seems like rich people discourse to me, my broke ass would not turn down a free couch no matter what it's infested with
I mean its not a 8k couch, its obviously a fake but the fakes still go for 2k - 3k sooo still expensive
Maybe a quality fake. This one is stained and ripped.
My initial thought is this maybe being a publicity stunt? Something to get people talking about the product? Although i don't know if that really makes sense bc of the rips and stains. Who knows! It's a weird situation overall
It does look to me exactly like a well staged ad. She literally talked about how easy it is to clean, how it fit in her elevator, and how it fit well in her room.
yeah I hope for her sake this video is faked and that she didn't get rid of that other couch lol
I pick up furniture, refurbish it, and either resell it or keep it and lemme tell you I don’t pick up stuff that has too much cushioning on it i.e. a couch. If I pick up say a wooden chair with a seat cushion I rip all that off and replace it, no need to take chances and it’s not usually an expensive fix either
My take, she planted the couch for the video. Simplest answer is usually right. I think it also might be PR by the couch maker.
agreed I thought that as soon as the clip started. And it'd make sense why she's so confident about keeping it lol
Oh no doubt, but I think the conversation around it has some merit.
Yeah this is a normal occurrence here, everyone leaves furniture out all the time. We’re poor af out here. I’ve scored 2 cat trees and an entertainment center. You can pick up bed bugs from a floor model couch in a store - do you have any idea how many people “Test them out.” Clean it, fumigate it, keep an eye on it.
I saw a meme this was a similar couch in an orgy and thought that was why people were upset. Imagine my surprise when it’s actually just classism lol
I live in Seattle and curb finds are how people survive 😂
free furniture is free furniture. almost everything in my apartment is used. welcome to the working class. the fact that it has been rained on is my issue.
yeah I mean, you basically hit on the main reason why it's a controversy in the last few words of your comment-- I'm literally sitting on a thrifted wooden and metal chair right now. I'd never purchase a fabric chair or couch secondhand though unless I knew the household or place it came from. you only need to get bedbugs once, to know it pays to be cautious.
2:19 LMAOOOO
Half the furniture in my first apartment was found on the side of the road. Including a couch.
It’s just the stains and rips LMAO
This is a very NY thing to leave perfectly fine things on the side of the road for trash pickup.
Me watching this video while sitting on a couch I found on the curb
So much of my first furniture was sidewalk furniture.
Idk about taking such a clearly… _absorbent_ couch, tho
Alot of people with not a lot of money do this half my furniture is from the street, I'm a student and don't have enough money, also who cares? Why do these Twitter people care so much, it's such a non issue feels like privilege to me
It’s not privilege. If you have an infestation, you can end up having to throw away everything you have. Bedding, wooden furniture, electronics even. Bedbugs get into everything and are really invasive. Most people do not have the money to replace all their stuff like that. I don’t think it’s bad to want to save someone from that hassle/cost.
lol getting bedbugs is not a privilege and people being careless is why they're so prevalent!
@@AmyAberrant but it seems like that wasn't the case, why get so judgy and shame someone, because of something that isn't guaranteed to be true
@@yosos2 I stated a fact about how dangerous bedbugs are, I did not shame anyone
@@AmyAberrant I'm wasn't referring to you lol, yeah bedbugs are bad, it's not impossible that it didn't have bedbugs
Long story short she is in New York and the people who are mad have never lived here. We literally have no buy apps/groups where we tell people hey I have this expensive thing I don't want here is where you pick it up. People just like to be mad.
Eef my maaaaaan
Right? I was so excited because I clicked on the video without reading the title so a few seconds in I was like "IS THAT MOTHER F-ING EEF?!"
idk why but this couch pisses me off so much
i know tons of people who get stuff off the side of the road. I have gotten some furniture.
If things are being given out, usually they have a sign, right? Like, my neighbor did a free junk sale where they left a bunch of stuff on their lawn. If they didnt have a poster saying it was free, I never would have taken anything. Who just takes stuff?? 😭
Also her previous couch was perfectly normal if not better design wise, why would she replace it?!?!
I've scavenged furniture before (got a few dining chairs and a Large glass tank right now even that we got from the curb and cleaned off), but idk if I'd do anything that's Absorbent or hard to clean like a couch or mattress, and idk *Especially* if I'd do that in like NYC specifically where I've heard that bed bugs are a huge problem because of the population density (since I have no idea how to check for them or get rid of them if they happen). Things like dressers, chairs, lamps, etc. though...??? fair game, no point in it going to a landfill if it's not broken or salvageable, new furniture is $$$$$
don't people understand that some people get new furniture and then give away the old furniture?? I have seen it happen daily here in Europe. Not every old thing has to be thrown away or sold to people, they can just be picked up off the street!!
That gurl is the child of a super
Why does Ethan look like the Trigun guy
Mmmmm see i love second hand furniture. Im a pretty poor person so free shit? Im gonna find a way to use it. Deep cleaning is somethimg im capable of, repairing is something i can do, i can fix it up and make it look brand new as lomg as theres something to work off of.
Honestly, other than it being a goofy ass design, i dont think theres much wrong with the concept of this video (tho i do think its fake bc this stuff is fake so often)
But she didn't properly clean it! That's what people are mad about, not the idea of simply upcycling furniture.
@@starsiadrawsShe could’ve cleaned it off camera too after seeing criticism 💀 People angry over a minute video of someone finding and cleaning a couch is the goofiest thing
It's clean... other than the dirt.
I came back to this video to say that there are many knockoff versions of this couch that are only a few hundred dollars.
I don’t mind taking furniture left outside but beds/couches like cloth material is weird to me a little.
I mean it's kind of gross... but people do pay for used couches and I kind of think similar things about that... but point is, this isn't that abnormal besides the couch just being thought to be expensive.
I was all ok with her picking up coach and what not but then she decided to explain and answer some questions and oh no, just no.😬
Hate to break it to y'all, but wealthy people are genuinely insane and dgaf about how much something cost if they don't want it anymore. Just a few weeks ago, another TH-camr I watched let everyone know that a chair his assistant bought off Facebook Marketplace for $50 sold at auction at Sotheby's for $85,000. The lady who sold it knew how much it was worth; she just didn't care enough to sell it properly.
And that was in LA, where people have big fucking houses; this girl was in NYC. The person who owned it before her probably had a dog that tore up the couch a bit and maybe got mud on it. Not a big deal.
Wtf this is basic nyc
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Have these guys never been poor? Or known someone who is poor? This reeks of having no understanding of what it's like to want nice things and not be able to afford them. I and so many people I know have taken discarded furniture and cleaned/repaired it so with a little effort we could have something much juicer than we could ever afford.
Bro I've gotten so much free furniture from the street people put them out with the intent of people taking them chill out.
I thought she was gonna sell it or something but no she’s just gonna use it??
People do it all the time so yeah, she’s gonna use it
Wow! Great video! Wow!
There's nothing strange about this in the slightest.
I mean if she wet cleaned it well
This couch should be called the blueberry or something. It looks so uncomfortable for people to use
But what about the picture wit the naked men . Wit the couch . Was that not real or … 🧍🏽♀️
Ppl will thrift couches. Especially pricey ones and clean them up and refurbish etc...they're so mad this chicken took one from outside a rich building and dried it out/cleaned it up? Smh I don't hate it. If it is properly cleaned. Doesn't stink. Then good for her. I'm sure if it had bugs she will know haha I have my expensive coffee table for over 10 years now that I got the same way haha
I think people are too worked up about this. Let's not forget some people can't afford furniture and often will get them from thrift stores (and thrift stores don't clean them either, so if you do get one, please clean it) as someone who grew up poor, this was the norm for my family, grabbing things that were thrown out, cleaning it and giving it new life. Also there are cleaning solutions made specifically to kill and clean up bed bugs.
it's just ugly 🤣
yeah the ppl freaking out abt it just shows the class divide- some of us get most of our furniture this way + thrift stores
lol buying a wooden chair table or desk at a thrift store is not at all the same as picking up a rained on couch from the curb
@@RambertaShe still cleaned it and people do it all the time. She could’ve also cleaned it more thoroughly off camera
@@Goth_Bat bed bugs usually aren't able to be killed by just chemicals they need heat treatment as well
Lol these spoiled TH-camrs poo-pooing on some of the best things we poor people can get.
yall got crippling ocd?
I do, what about it?
Did I just grow up poor. Cuz I would 100% do this
why are they making fun of how she speaks on the tiktok? insulting her saying she sounds like she’s 5 years old isn’t like fun or cute
jordan was joking about the way she tells a story in kind of a run-on sentence way not the way she talks/sounds
Poor shaming! Hell yeah, guys, thanks for insulting how I had to survive at 18 with no family, I'm filthy dirty and disgusting.
...she literally HAD a perfectly good couch ALREADY. You really gonna argue that's poverty behavior to swap out a nice couch for a potentially infested/molded one????? lmfao
@@RambertaPeople do it all the time 💀 She probably cleaned it off camera and shit and just wanted a new one. It ain’t that deep
Lots of privilege in one video. 🙄
privilege?? I haven't even had a couch for years and yet I would never do something like this. because I've dealt with bed bugs lmao. it's just not worth the risk.
@@RambertaYou’re in this comment section a lot replying about your experience when you’re not the only poor person in the world. Lots of people, my family included, have gotten couches off the side of the road bc they were too poor to buy one or saw an opportunity to get a free couch. It’s a normal thing people do, stop acting like it’s not.
@@Goth_Bat oh yeah super normal to take in a couch that's been rained on and has rips and stains LOL get outta here. you don't have to defend this tiktoker because she's poor too you know!