Vietnam Vets Came Back With Very Different Experiences. They Argue Here In 1968
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 25 ต.ค. 2018
- I have interviewed many Vietnam veterans in my career. For so many, that war and what they experienced both in Vietnam and in the USA when they return still haunts them, provokes them, intrigues them, fascinates them, disturbs them. And for people my age, this story told by individuals has been going on since 1966 and maybe even before.
I love films that capture real people in real situations debating real issues - talking openly about how they feel in this 1 is masterfully made. Just folks in a bar debating the war at a time when it was actively going on and some of those in the debate had fought in it. The film called 8 Flags for 99c by Chuck Olin. Ordinary citizens debating sides of the Vietnam war. Elements of what they are saying reminds me of the 1960sIn the heated debates about that war that were taking place in just about every home in America. On all sides. With a 50-50 America split for or against the war. Other things that they said remind me of debates going on today. In some ways things change. In other ways it seems they don't or at least haven't.
Subscribers are often asking my position then and now. I can share with you this: the Vietnam veterans who returned and presented what they experienced of any political stripe, I respected and honored. They had seen something I had not seen except on TV and you could see the reality of what they were describing by the intensity behind their eyes. That is why I interviewed them whenever I got the chance and let them express their experiences - many having never done that before, certainly in front of a camera.
There are many other clips on my TH-cam channel from the Vietnam war era if you are interested. If you like this, please subscribe to see other David Hoffman interviews. #vietnamveteran #1960s #protests - ภาพยนตร์และแอนิเมชัน
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This Vietnam vet became a cop and found himself fighting in Vietnam war in San Francisco - th-cam.com/video/kVec1zg6Pmo/w-d-xo.html
No one should fight wars of conquest, and no one should surrender in wars of defense.
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ok but who authorized this Trauma/PTSD struggling vets don't sound like good candidates for law enforcement let alone any one with severe mental trauma especially that caused by war.
@@novkorova2774imperialism provokes wars, this is the only way it can preserve this vicious system. Period
You all talk about law enforcement but here I am knowing food was much affordable back then.
“You had WW2, you had Korea, and now you’ve got this, and after this you’re gonna go to the east.” Man, that guy knew what’s going on.
No kidding, man. That part blew me away.
mike minier after he said that I paused it and immediately went to the comments to see if anyone els caught that
2:53
It's a new war.
Virus is the new nukes
That and what's being said by this guy starting @7:20
50 years ago I encountered a very old man reading the news paper. I asked him "what's new", he replied "nothing new just different names" .
@MMS Protocol ww1 was Austria-Hungary
@TINTIN GREAT ILLUMENATI SECRETHAND Bhi 247 YEAYEA Must you make this about modern politics?
"THE FUTURE IS IDENTICAL TO THE PAST".
Nature is a LOOP. (EX: the earth moves in a loop inside a bigger loop inside a bigger loop!) It does NOT move FORWARD. It fakes the movement forward!
WE ALL KNOW IF NEXT DECEMBER WILL BE COLDER THAN NEXT JUNE,.... b/c the future is identical to the past!
WE ALL KNOW HOW MANY TOES I HAVE AND HOW MANY TOES BABIES IN 2030 WILL HAVE....b/c the future is identical to the past.
SOBERINGLY, ALL NATURE is A ROBOT. Perfectly NOT "natural".
EX:
no one has ever planted a PINE tree and an ELM grows.
no two bears every fucked and gave birth to a giraffe.
ALL OF NATURE IS LITERALLY PRE-programmed and "robotic" and utterly predictable.
CAN ANY OF YOU PREDICT if my girlfriend nags me more each week?
EVERYTHING is predictable and robotic, and only the human brain COULD
outsmart this, like we've outsmarted nature before.
@Beef Supreme I'll raise ya:
BOYS TODAY see Killer KKKops KILL brown people in the streets EVERY DAY, and in their own homes etc!
That's even WORSE than the war crimes the USSA did in Vietnam!
THAT EVERYONE ISN'T UNITED AGAINST THE PENTAGON IS SICK!!
They ADMIT they sent 58,000 American Boys TO DIE FOR ALL LIES AND FAKERY??? 58,000 families DESTROYED!!!
(And those were the LUCKY soldiers!!!)
(!!!)
EVERYONE forgets that war is a billion times more illegal and sick than anyone thinks.
EX:
WHEN OUR BOYS WERE FIGHTING THESE FAKE WARS (even WW1 and 2 were FAKED by greedy capitalists and wall st).....THEIR WIVES AND GIRLFRIENDS WERE LITERALLY BACK HOME.....fucking another man (out of boredom or loneliness)!!!!
"IF YOU DON'T MURDER MURDERERS.....THEN YOU ARE A MURDERER"
@@dumpygoodness4086 Yo G, you onto some next level knowledge sh¡t right there foreal foreal
The average infantryman in the South Pacific during World War II saw about 40 days of combat in four years. The average infantryman in Vietnam saw about 240 days of combat in just **ONE** year, due in part to the mobility of the helicopter, and also the geographically confined nature of the war in Vietnam.
Every year in Vietnam was like fighting 24 years in the Pacific in WWII. In fairness, a lot of WWII veterans had no idea about this massive difference when they chided returning Vietnam Vets for being ‘complainers’ and ‘soft.’ How could they know? This new manner of war would have been unimaginable to them, and would not align with their decades-earlier experience at all.
Wow.
That's interesting. I imagine Imperial Japan fighting against multiple opponents simultaneously would have been one factor for why American soldiers were targeted less often, as opposed to with the Vietnamese forces, which didn't have other opponents.
But the americans in Germany had alot more combat.
@@remdy3839 no they didn't.
This isnt true at all wtd are you on about?
My dad is a vietnam vet. Im 32. He is 74. He was 17 when he was drafted. He raised me since i was 1 year old. Best man i know
Same I am 31 and my father 76. He enlisted at 17 into the Navy.
This footage is insanely important to preserve, my God.
Biden has promised more military interventions.
That guy telling how he had a piece of shrapnel in him and when they took it out it had GM on it...
@@gregghorner9107 Pretty soon we are going to have a full-on communist movement right here.
Repent America the Lord is coming !!! Help them all Lord! We are in perilous times whether you think we are or not the Lord wins in the end and there's nothing you can do to stop him....praise God!!!!! and forgive these United States of America!!!
Facts! David Hoffman is a national treasure, for real
"We do owe them something. We owe them the right to live."
That one hit me the most. Damn..
Overdramatic.
Same
"Right to live"? By killing so many? Crazy boy.
@@sj6404 dickhead twat conspiracy theorist
That way of thinking is the problem. You don’t owe anybody anything because you don’t control them in the first place.
"A lot those people liked that we were there. A lot of those people hated that we were there. A lot of those people felt that if you were an American you owed them something. We do owe them something, we owe them the right to live."
This was the exact same sentiment un Afghanistan.
Yup, and still the lesson hasn't been learned.
@Kojo Smith - not just Afganistan... but also all those Coup d'Etat in South America , or Middle East done by US.
And way before that as even stated by the Marine Major General Smedley Butler in his book/speech ("War is a Racket"), way, way back or even Eisenhower - when he was talking about military industial comples, in his final speech from 1961.
There is completely nothing new here. All about politics, natural resources, geo-politics of a given region, and long term planning. Nothing more.
With a lot of propaganda mixed with a basic level of "patriotism" on the top, and even military paying for your education.
Amazing setup, and also a very effective, especially considering the education levels going down in the last 20+ years.
Who sent our solders to die over a BS war you guessed it the DEMONCRATS. LBJ
@@Goreuncle Oh it has, it’s just the same people in power who always knew but never cared. Except WW2 vets, they’re the exception.
if communism was really unstable, shouldn't it have collapsed without us starting wars?
My dad was in Vietnam - he came back at 28 years old with a monster heroin addiction. Everyone said what a sweetheart he was before his war experience. It ruined his life.
Hope you heal…
It's almost like war shouldn't be condoned or allowed.
@@marcusjackman1487 not condoned, allowed though.......sometimes it's necessary. Might even be good, debteably.
@@snowfrosty1right but the US didn’t go to Vietnam for good reason, the US faked the Gulf of Tonkin incident to have an excuse to go to war, it was just bullshit
@@snowfrosty1Was Vietnam war necessary?
Man, it's the same conversations we've been having since 1969. Shit never changes.
And they say know your history or you'll be cursed too repeat it.
History still repeats itself regardless.
@@youtubedeletedmynamewhybother ALL wars were solely about profit. That's not even a secret. It's vile that everyone plays dumb. You ONLY invade another nation for their land and resources and to steal their shit.
Humans CANNOT learn, really.
@@dumpygoodness4086 I think its more that we have been taught not too learn, look at our education systems.
They arent exactly teaching the youth about the realities of war and the economic benefit of waging war.
In a lot of places i see advertisements glorifying the army etc. People out there still think they are fighting for freedom.
But i do agree with you overall, it's a pretty sad state of affairs.
@Vikarn RAJORA [11M2] lol true
Wrong. These conversations are extremely civil even though they disagree. We are soarly lacking this kind of conversation. Now if you disagree over chocolate or vanilla cake your a racist,homophobic , misogynist. You need to lose your job your private information needs to be put out so you can get death threats and your property can be vandalized. And all your social media accounts need to be banned. Now bend the knee and apologize.
“They say we’re fighting communism, yet Russia hasn’t lost a single man”
ANNO DOMINI Afghanistan
@@prodbyFderrick This was from 1969 Russia wasn't in Afghanistan until a decade later
havoc1482 ur right
And I'm guessing but I bet that fella was a war vet, so that kinda perked my ears.
Russia lost advisers and Pilots in the war, they just didn't advertise it.
At the same time the man's point is valid because they didn't lose 89,000 people either.
My dad said the ride back was the most quiet plane ride in his life. Him and 3 other men in his platoon surrounded by all the others in body bags. God bless Veterans
Bless what? A war of invasion? Soldiers were either too fool or naive to know what they were getting into but after all these years whats the point of saying "god bless you" or "thank for your service". Only in america murder is glorified.
Im a vet and I seriously think we're the dumbest people in the world when we go out to war and the smartest when we come back and that's why the government try and make us junkies and criminals before they start next war
Much love . My father was in Vietnam too. From NZ.
@@rahabredeemed1690 My dad was from NZ too!
They are useful idiots who fight for bureaucrats.
"We support the country, and yet, we have the least to say about it."
Crazy how true this statement STILL is.
"Every year this country has to have a war." "Politicians get their cut of the defense contracts." "So many things around the war are fixed on the dollar." "Got hit by a piece of General Motors shrapnel. They're supposed to be making cars but they're making mortars." Wow! The more things change the more they remain the same.
Not only do our legislatures get cuts from defense contracts, they also owe favors to wealthy banks that funded their campaign budgets, so that, they declare war that compels us to borrow money from these banks to pay for the war. The longer the war lasts, the greater our debt to these banks. But hey, without the war, no defense contracts. Moreover, they will continue to stay in office.
Wrong
USA became No.1 by fighting other powerful countries empires
And winning those battles
They also made the .30 and. 50 browning machine gun.
Today we call it “Aerospace”.
No, all of these tropes are idiocy and demonstrate how ignorant these folk were and similar peeps are today.
It’s crazy that after all that’s happened, 60 years later, we are all still saying the same exact words and literally nothing has change a bit.
Bless your heart. Just imagine the poor people in the countries you and your solders invaded
It's gotten worse
@@rubyslippers103 just imagine the people your religion has beheaded and bombed to the death in the name of a fake made up god who was apparently into children…. Pipe down and take a look in the mirror, fool
@@rubyslippers103 I completely agree with you and as I military member, I can say 90% of all service members are on the same page. The day of 9/11 every American wanted payback. Little did the whole planet know we were all dooped by the military industrial complex. Twenty years later after 9/11 no one in America really wants anything to do with the US military
@@rubyslippers103 you can’t act like this one person controls all of our soldiers and strategies lmaoooo
The irony of that woman at 1:38 saying "they're ignorant" is astonishing
yeah i know!! "they're ignorant" she says as she repeats every single lie the american propaganda machine made up for the war
Epic american propaganda
White woman
@@laqueenawilliams4762 wow, that’s racist. White, black, Latino, Asian etc… who gives a damn. The woman is ignorant but to mention her race is disgusting.
@@privilegedchromosome how dare you? Back then that was the mindset. White woman
The editing format used here is so different than modern documentaries. There’s no narrative being pushed, no narrator cutting in every 5 seconds.. just actual people sharing their honest thoughts, opinions, and experiences.
Less manipulation
"Pulled a piece of mortar shrapnel out of myself, and it said General Motors on it. They're supposed to be making cars, not mortars." Goddamn.
Someone should look into this
Ive heard stories from Vets saying “ i got hit by a Chevy” 😂🇺🇸 tough bastards
General Mortars
IED using random shrapnel.
Did you keep it by any chance ?
50 YEARS LATER AND WE'RE STILL HAVING THE SAME CONVERSATIONS.
That's what I noticed too. We are still dealing with a lot of the same issues! Kinda discouraging actually...
50 year on, we're still in trouble. Put down your gun and hit him with a shovel..!!!
War is a business just like college is a business.
When governments make so much money from selling weapons, there will never be peace on this earth
Einstein once said, the definition of insanity is doing something over and over again expecting different results.
Having both served in Afghanistan and had honest dialogue about it years later, if I closed my eyes and listened to this audio, I wouldn’t be able to tell you which war it belonged to. Heartbreaking to me. I admire and relate to the Vietnam vets so much because there are so many parallels. They had it far worse, but we both fought in wars that made no sense. In another video I’ve heard it said “I don’t know how to explain the war to myself.” That’s what keeps me up at night. All that I did and gave, both physically and mentally….for what reason? At least my generation was welcomed home with warmth, and that was thanks to the Vietnam vets. I have more to say, but I’m crying over these men and their families, and it’s just a damn shame.
That lady hit the nail on the head when she said that politicians make money out of war.
Now referred to as the military industrial complex, there are plenty of politicians today who are receiving kickbacks from defence contractors.
The trees voted for the axe because it's handle was made of wood and they thought it was one of them.
Lemme guess, the axe's hidden agenda was to chop the trees down so everyone can see that the Earth is flat. I upvoted your comment btw, because it's true. But I had to bust your 🏐🏐 about being a flat earther.
We both flat earthers, I've just known for 3 years
@@flatearthwatertownnewyork1141 flat earth lol thats the dumbest shit ever
@@flatearthwatertownnewyork1141 why do you throwaway all evidence of round earth just so you can throw this onesided stalemate?
Round globe Earth is CGI animation cartoons.
He was right when he said "The people of this country isn't fighting a Vietnam war. The government is fighting it." TRUE to this day.
the people elect the government officials who start these wars... The voters are just as guilty as the politicians.
No, the majority of the people were in favor of the war. Then, when their country loses, the government is the culprit and they blame everything but themselves. People are a bunch of hypocrites.
I say, soldiers vote for which wars they fight, every voter who votes in favour has to serve and fucking take money out of politics, just give the parties a federal budget and forbid sponsors like holy shit is not that hard
If that were true the people would elect a different government. You can't have free elections without being responsible for the outcome.
@@abeldelatorre1382 first part makes sense, second part not so much.
If the only budget you’re allowed to have is federal, for a small party (or even just the one not in power right now), that means your political enemies directly deciding what your budget will be, and they’ll use that inch to take a mile.
All it would achieve is making sure that no other party ever gets elected, other than whoever had legislative power at the time of the change.
The humble guy at 5:13. That's a guy I wouldn't want to let down ever. His opinion makes me think of happier, simpler times.
One thing I can say for sure as a Vietnam veteran is that I went there as an 18 year old serviceman and came out as an old man with no immediate future. Only my self determination pushed me to become a Chemist, a Marine Biologist and a College History Professor; without the needed help of the Veterans Administration. I can tell you now that war is not the answer to any conflict. Lives are priceless no matter from what country.Veterans should be in favor of peace; not conflict.
👍 I used to hear that from my WWII friends and korean war friends. Hope yer good these days.
I'm not a veteran, but I agree with you, invasion and conquest is rarely if ever justified.
If the southern Vietnamese people really were under immediate threat it would've been better to send huminatarian aid, or hell, have them migrate to the US if you're so adamant about them being "saved".
"You had WWII... You had Korea, now you've got this..." "After this you're gunna go to the East". WOW... He was so right.
East?... From Vietnam?.. where's that then?...the Philippines?.. new Guinea?.. the US?
The middle East is WEST of Vietnam, if that's what you're referring to
You dont have to be the weatherman to know when its raining.
Zach Derbas how the fuck did he know
Zach Derbas in the late 60s with the Shah and mid 70s the US government picked that up, and, essentially, we’ve never left.
496 thumbs up from people bad at geography...
“What good is your vote if there’s going to be a war every ten years”. Wise words spoken with nothing but passion and anger..
Every ten years? USA been in armed conflict every Ear from 1776-2022
@@AbuHajarAlBugatti just quoting
My god yes
its not good for anything of course. unless by some miracle americans choose someone not on T.V. and can get by the diebold machines a programmer has testified in court he was contracted to add backdoors to in order to choose whomever wanted.
27 years on this earth and these videos and interviews are gold. This helps us understand the current world.
56 years later whenever I visit the military cemetery in my wife's north Vietnam hometown I am reminded of the heavy price that young people pay for the unwillingness of powerful people to work hard enough to resolve issues through peaceful means.
What stands out to me is that they're having conversations and quite heated conversations. No one is being shouted down! Some people have an outrageous opinion about their current affairs! I see a difference today.
Not a single swear word was used. A different America, no doubt.
And now you have gen z and some milenials who do nothing but talk over and use violence to get their point across
Back then it was common for people to say "I may not agree with what you say but I'll defend to the death your right to say it." That seems to be a foreign concept now. Pre-Internet people weren't as brittle and conditioned by living in echo chambers back then, and there weren't as many outrage addicts as seems to be so common today. People could actually have conversations and listen to opposing POV's. As this and many other videos from those days show, people were also more articulate back then and could express themselves in complete, profanity-free sentences. I grew up in a large Midwestern metro area, not a small town by any means, and the parents of me and my friends were of the Great Depression/WW2 generation. I will second what another commenter here said. I never heard any of my friend's parents, even the WW2 veteran dads, use profanity around us even when we were teens, nor were they drama queens like people, even grown men, tend to be now. I later served in the military in the '70s and 80s, and aside from our drill instructors, causal profanity wasn't as common even in the military back then as is routinely heard in public today. Overall, the adults back then tended to keep calm and downplay things, which is the opposite of the "look at me!" and "we're all gonna die!" theatrics and victimology so common today. "Playing the victim" back then would make you the subject of ridicule. It isn't just my imagination, it's confirmed by this and many other online videos from that era. Just last night I was watching an online compilation of "as it happened" radio news reports of the April 1974 "Super Outbreak" of tornadoes in the Midwest, partly because I remember that day very well. The radio and TV reporters and people interviewed in those videos, in most cases live while a tornado was bearing down on them or soon after their home had been destroyed by a tornado, were amazingly calm, well-spoken, stoic, and underplayed the events, even the reporters. In general, people still had that "pick yourself up and carry on" attitude that had gotten so many through the tough times of the 1900 - 1960s period.
@@alcinobenfica lol. So your telling me once you've reached a certain age you arnt capable of committing a felony
When people could argue and debate like MEN,and didn't have to resort to violence or pull out a gun or a knife.
' why do we have to be the policeman of the world ?" That the entrance to the rabbit hole brother.
So big American business could make money off it!
That comment stood out to me also. And what Avalon Justin says, we have to "protect" American private business interests around the world.
You can thank Woodrow Wilson and our entrance into WW1 for our government's need to be the police force of the world.
N.W.O.!
@Hmm Yeah people fight and die for lies, but your reasonings are complete nonsense. Invading Iraq for oil is completely false. Vietnam wasn’t for anything like that either. Literally no objective evidence to back that up.
It’s definitely IS a police thing. U.S. entered Vietnam off of a false perceived threat of communism, which was a huge mistake because they had no clear means of winning and were not prepared for the psychological battle. U.S. entered Iraq off of a lie about WMDs, and stayed there to try turn the country into a democracy; Rid of insurgency and dictatorship, which failed again and is why there’s still a war there.
So yes, it’s definitely police and imperialistic ideologies that has made the country have terrible outcomes in regards to foreign policy. Of course money and greed have played parts, but it’s these ideologies that still propel the country’s military policies.
"Why do we have to be the policeman of the world?" - A lesson we seem to never learn.
ITS Not wrong to BE worldpolice when Other governments dont know how to behave. But you shouldnt BE corrupt or exploidin. You should do good Things for the whole world.
We don't do it to be the world police. We do it because it secures our place as the #1 military and economic superpower. What do the top brass and capital owners care about morals or justice or human life, so long as they can keep increasing their bottom line?
What would have Happend If Nobody played world Police when that Nazi Thing was going on 80 years ago
@@Aufsmaul92 Do you believe the US decided to participate in the war out of altruistic reasons? We stayed out as long as we possibly could, all the while profiting from selling weapons and materials (with infamous Fred Koch even making his fortune by refining oil for the Nazis and Stalin). It was only after we were attacked and western Europe in ruins that we decided to participate.
We can't pretend the US participation in WW2 was done for humanitarian or altruistic purposes, and we shouldn't act as if we're redeemed by that one act in hundreds of atrocities we've committed.
@@artemis3120 i absolutly agree. So under these circumstances the USA didnt involve as world Police instead IT involved as corrupt force. Still IT stopped the Terror( which IT supported before of course, i know).in that Case IT was wrong Intention but good consequences.so i guess the Term "world Police" for the Role of USA was Always wrong. But the US or every Other country which IS in Charge has every right to Play world Police(as Long IT IS Not corrupt or exploidin and has good intentions-which IT has Not of course-but If IT would have IT would have also the right to act as world police-that was Just what i ment-it IS No wrong beeing world Police then, when you really can call yourself "Police" and BE Role model yourself, then you also have every right to participate in wars to do good)
These people sound much better informed and intelligent than the general public did during the Iraq invasion.
I think the intelligent and well-informed have been around since the beginning, and were around during the invasion too. But I'd venture to say the evening news didn't want to hear from them.
Isn't it spelled "Iran"? /s
@@futsk01 Like they said in the video: "Every 10 years." (Elapsed times may vary)
Well, they sound pretty fuckin' stupid.
0:46 This woman sounds like the average Fox News viewer today.
agree or disagree, they all respectfully heard each other out. nice.
Couldn't agree more friend. 🇺🇸
I would much rather live back then than now.
@@jonprue BUT the people behind this documentary were already inserting their pro-left wing bias. The reason why things are so heated now is that the same people have had decades in the media demonising and subverting America. Now we see the fruit of their subversion. They captured every institution and so they no longer want to encourage civil, respectful conversation.
Watching American at that time talk about what it's like about the war in my country make me feel both of the countries truly lost many things in such brutal way.
We knew it was wrong and we fought for you. I’m so sorry we couldn’t reign the hawks in, it is not us as a people.
If the north stayed in the north it wouldnt have happened
Keep the communism to yourself if you want it
One of the saddest things for me is not only for fellow soldiers we lost, but for the enemy we killed. I some times think back and wonder what if someone i had killed had lived, then done something great for humanity. We will never know because i ended that chance for them. This is the one thing that makes me most sad.
Bruh this shit been going on since the inception of the usa and its not headed in what I would call a positive direction. Maybe admitting it is us as a people is the only way we get a chance at changing it...?@@MackNcD
I can tell you as the child of a veteran it went on for a long time because the soldiers brought the war home.
Now what people need to remember is that line "People have to remember the country isn't the government. The government wants to fight this war, the country doesn't"
That rings true with so many things these days.
My Grandfather served in ww2 as a gunner on a Canadian battleship. My mom told me that when she asked about the war on only 2 occasions did he ever slightly mention it. She said that both times his eyes glazed over with tears, thousand yard stare and he would only mumble about nothing in particular and he'd snap out of it after 20 seconds. From those stories its obvious that he went through hell, and hell stayed with him in his mind.
All so the money men can make more money. War is a just another scam.
I wasn’t aware that the RCN fielded any battleships.
@@_byzzer3228 Well my information is limited, he was Canadian and he was a gunner on a warship. Either that or he lied about what he really did.
@@_byzzer3228 I’m sure it wasn’t a “battleship” by classification, but for the average person a large war ship with guns on it would be a battleship, purely because they don’t the different classifications of ships. Such a light cruisers which look like small battleships and they had plenty of guns. It seems the grandfather didn’t talk much about his service so the grandmother must’ve known he was on a ship with guns and called it a battleship. Probably just a case of innocent ignorance to ship classifications.
@@jamiepierson7772 Ah, yes you’re correct, I often forget that.
A professor once told our class, "History may not repeat itself, but it rhymes".
Seeing the thoughts shared in this video sure as hell lends weight to that idea.
??? How does what you said in quotations rhyme?
@@trihard7442 Ever heard the phrase "those who don't learn their history are doomed to repeat it"? My professor's quote builds on that by saying it doesn't but repeat exactly but rather, it rhymes. This quote means that history often rhymes with itself because historical trends and movements often follow a pattern. I'm not saying the quote itself is a rhyme. Please read it again.
Proffesor is a smart man. He was quoting mark twain.
@@edwardthach1849 Your professor was quoting Mark Twain
Another good quote I read recently is, "history doesn't repeat itself, people do".
60 years later and still their points ring true today
1:45 “Perhaps they would go communistic. Of course that would be their choice, but we’re trying to save them from it.”
Some people can’t help but to want to be heroes where they’re not wanted.
Bless that woman's heart. She had no idea what she was really saying. Saving people from free will? From national sovereignty? She had definitely bought into the anti-communist propaganda and had a little dash of racism thrown in there for good measure.
Commie tankie lmao
@@punitgupta5517 jingoist lib lmao
@@tonttu7979 Actually both are right. Those who lived under communist regimes don't want it back ever, however back then it wasn't that clear and communism seemed like the better option than the corrupt, foreign-backed violently pro-Christian regime that was in South Vietnam.
@@szarvaskoppany Every Vietnamese person ive come across still has great respect for Ho Chi Minh and the revolution, allthough in the recent decades Vietnam has had some free market reforms with mixed reception, some being for and some against them
I miss the civility that used to be present when groups of people with various viewpoints had open discussions and disagreements with out personally attacking each other.
It's still like that. Reddit and Twitter are nothing like real life
@@DannySi no, not really. People today rip shreds off each other if the other person has a different opinion.
@@pottedcactus8924 I'd like to think it's a side effect of too much information and exposure to the internet. People are being brainwashed every day to believe all sorts of shit. Alt-right neo Nazi nationalists and diehard communists and incels and xenophobes. These aren't just political opinions anymore. The kind of people who actually subscribe to these ideas let the ideas become their entire personality.
There's so many people battling each other over their opinions and they all want to pretend that they're open to dialectic discussion, but they aren't. Their political beliefs are so important to them that they couldn't possibly just let them be changed. Any attempt to change their opinion is an attack on them.
@@ShlickMick very true. Most people aren't very open to the opinions of others.
Give it a rest. it still happens
I love this. I am 66 now, and was old enough to remember when these conversations were going on. What is interesting is almost all of them knew it was a profit making scheme for many with no regard for human life, no matter what country they were from!
My father was a LRP in Veitnam. He once said none of them could really come up with a good reason for why they were there. He began to think of it as a deadly game and nothing more.
I wonder how they all knew it was about money, before the internet
My family was in Iraq twice, and these are verbatim the conversations we have.
@@MrAnperm Before the internet, people simply communicated in person but it was all the same shit. You had your friends, you had people you didn't meet before, you had trolls, and you had random people spouting crazy crap. It was just all in real-life rather than virtually.
@@ThrilloVanHouten you forgot one thing. People weren't politically correct back then. They spoke their mind.
“Brought up to never question authority” So sad how this was passed through generations and now look where that got us? Wow. 🤢
I am a Russian, and these guys on the video are talking and acting totally similar to nowadays Russians during the war in Ukraine. Such a strange feeling.
Mark Twain said if voting made a difference they wouldn't let you do it.
It's crazy to listen to this because we're still talking about the same thing it's just a different War. Socrates was right human beings stay the same the only thing that changes is technology.
@@adavidbujanda it's not a different war , it's the same war that has always been since the dawn of man , all we do is chase it all over the planet , the best we can try to do is keep it out of our back yard ......... but it never dies
There's nothing new under the sun. Same shit different day.
Not Available The truth is, when a "regular" person feels motivated enough to vote, and even better if they decide to get involved, they are part of a tendency, by that I mean that a lot of other people will be touched in the same way and get involved and/or vote in the same way. Saying that a vote does not make a difference is reductive to how powerful our collective will can be. I think that, considering how divided the U.S. Currently are, it's easy to see the difference between political parties.n
Mark Twain is a dead man
I just missed the draft.
My older brother's best friend in high school was killed a month after his 18th birthday.
His mother never got over it.
Have a lot of friends who were in the Nam and not one of them is not fucked up from their experiences.
God Bless them all.
...and all for what? Multiple lives ruined.
I just missed the draft, too. The last year of the draft lottery, my birthday came up third. I was a year too young to get drafted. By the time I turned eighteen, the war was over. I was born into a military family, dad was a WWII combat vet, (army infantry) wounded in Anzio, my younger brother enlisted, (also army infantry) and went to Egypt. I went to enlist in my twenties, and didn't get in, I have a heart murmur. I know people who lied about their age, enlisted, and went to Nam, some did several tours.
My dad had PTSD, back then it was called "shellshock".
I know a bunch that are productive members of society with no issues.
My older sister's best friend's uncle served onboard the USS Szlap (DDG-223) and while off the coast of Nam, someone in the the galley farted.
Amazing to see this. This is amazing. A moment in time. How lucky are we to view this? ❤
The woman at 3:20 blew me away. It hurts that people knew this so clearly then, all it took was wisdom
I am a Vietnam combat veteran with disabilities and am lucky to make it home. This was not a war with goals to win - just prolong the war for companies to make money.
War truly never changes I wish you luck and I hope for peace and the day corrupt polticans become a thing of the past.
Glad you make it home.
Iam fron Europ and ask me, why did you go?
Were u in the Army bevor or do you volunteer?
Greetings ✌🏻
It's a commonly repeated myth that politicians make more money off of war, war ALWAYS costs far more than the money it will ever bring in, and bringing in money from war is just to compensate for the sheer loss of spending on military funds.
@@ChristopherGray00 Wrong the politicians do make money off of war by the fact its expensive. You see politicians need a way to acess the funds of the state or people. So war is a great way to do this its to take the taxpayer dollars and loans and put them into contracts. They get kick backs threw various contracts arms contracts etc. In order for politicians to make money they need to spend money. There is literally no incentive for a politician to cut costs. Thats why consistently domestic debt has gone up. The previous costs to their political carriers for debt is now gone. War can also be a good thing for the state but currently its not since the state dosent reep any benefit but instead globalistic interests do. The current political elite care for neither the peoples intrests or the states but their own.
@@issstari954 taxpayer money goes to whatever approved avenue it needs to go, it doesn't go to the politician and then to the military, not how it works.
A woman speaks of politicians making money off defense spending... Before her time.
Amazing right
You mean back in the time when women stayed home and did what they were told? When women obeyed their fathers and tried to marry a doctor instead of becoming one. When women lawyers, soldiers police officers were almost non existant.
I remember back in the good ole 60s when lynching was popular in the south where the KKK tried but failed to keep heroic Black Americans from integrating the schools, lunch counters, swimming pools, and even public bathrooms. Back in the 60s when Black Americans were 11% of the population but 23% of the troops in Vietnam. The hate you exhibit was also on display in Charlottesville. America's future depends on continuing the progress it has made for all of its people while brushing the small minded haters like you into the dust bin of oblivian.
WOW she was spot on!
Truth is we started making money off of War during WW1 and WW2. And just kept doing it. Eisenhower warned us about the military industrial complex.
War has always been good for business.
Dave, this is incredible footage. We hear and see so many documentaries about the War and the counterculture from the viewpoint of the battles, and the major positions and events. To me, nothing no is more interesting however, than hearing the personal stories and viewpoints from the people themselves; primary source material. I was born in the 1990’s and lived through the time of 9/11 and the post-9/11 wars. Much of the conversations are the same that I hear and see here. Thanks for sharing.
This is one of the most interesting artifacts on Vietnam ive seen. Let alone the amazing audio and video quality camera from back in the day, but these folks are interesting to listen to.
“After this your gonna go to the East.” .......man this guy knew
He nailed it
That's what got me
what does he mean "go to the East"?
@@kimiantumblod7654 he meant China but people in this comments wanting to write more prophecy into it are probably wanting to think he meant Middle East.
@UCULqAbbbuMQtmzCSrtNW_mA china is west of vietnam
6 years Marine Corps. 18 years US Army. A combat tour in Afghanistan. I watched this video and wept. My dad was a Marine who was spit on when he returned from overseas. I grew up with that anger. I learned nothing.
That's because you had what they call Patriotism, and were guided by so much (your parent, TV, friends, etc.) that serving your country was a good thing. I served as well, and thank you for your service sir. This is one reason they are (indoctrinating) our youth, and brainwashing them. In my heart, I believe that every student out of High School should at least serve one enlistment, and if they like their fields, and want to make it a career, then by all means they need to do so. It's the best experience they will ever have. However, We The People have failed in taming our government, while uncovering the corruption at the core, and holding those accountable. We have the let the "system" have way too much control over our lives, but that's been going on for many years, way before any of us were born. In the end, which we are on the doorsteps of, God will have the final say. We are the last Generation. God Bless and Semper Fidelis
Dan Marine no sir, thank you for your service, but this crap is ALL wrong. These wars are senseless. They are only about making the rich, richer. There’s zero reason for our boys to go through this horseshit. For our boys to get maimed, get mentally messed up, to die. Simply, we need to mind our own damn business. Our government is corrupt. But I DO NOT blame the boys who were patriotic. I applaud them. I blame the damn government. It truly pisses me off. Those bastards think our fathers, brothers, sons, friends are expendable. Fuck them
Thank you for your service brother
My dad return from Nam after being shot 3 times,His weight was 90 pounds from not being able to eat, also sick from malaria.out side of base in Georgia they we're throwing,bottles and cursing the returning wounded,This makes my skin crawl to this day.Would like to express my true feelings but wouldn't change anything
@@offgrid6369That is horrible! Those kids were forced to go! They should have been welcomed back as survivors and given help! The bottles and rocks, should have been thrown at the politicians!
OH MY GOD!!!!!!! this is how i found your channel i remember now!!!!!!
wow what awesome footage
it really isn't that long ago that this was recorded in the grand scheme of things, it always is the film quality that makes it all seem so much older, but seriously hearing what these people are saying now reminds me of how people are conversing about upcoming wars or economic collapse in possible times to come. David you truly are a blessing to the world, learning from the past is something we all need to understand. Its sad every decade that flys by everyone kind resets and have to try and come to a collective as to whats going on. The people here had to figure it all out with just their brains and questioning the media. Nowadays we have so much information at our disposal! USE IT!
Why does it feel so good to watch these? Maybe its from it being so real and authentic? It's just not like this anymore. Same problems and debates, but different people, different world. It blows my mind.
Evan Perkoski I blame social media and smart phones
I don't think so. I think the Americans are fed up and ready to fight. Don't underestimate your fellow Americans.
@Science not religion yep, Donahue nailed it with what he said about Saddam Hussein: "Saddam IS a bastard, but he IS our bastard." That was a walk-off grand slam home run statement... Hussein was a U.S. puppet and a lot of the so-called WMDs were weapons the U.S. supplied Iraq with in their war against Iran, including biological and chemical. Many of these were rounded up later and were detonated in a sad episode of the Gulf War which happened to expose service members to released toxins, which the government denied for years.
@@adessachui7777 The american culture, media, government, education and other institutions has made most americans unintelligent. more so than other countries. ITs hard to fix something like that in one generation. And even more scary is confident stupid people that are ready to fight.
mmm i don’t think do i think it very similar
Fathers, Do NOT let your sons fight another mans war. You did not bring them into this world for that.
Well then who will protect us?............what protection will we have?......
This is why fathers are removed from home life. Many women brag about being strong and independent but don't realize that they are, by their absence, turning their children into slaves, their daughters into prostitutes, and so the cycle continues.
@@LittleMachine89
He said 'another man's war'... WW2=good, Vietnam=bad
LittleMachine89 You mean who will protect YOU and the people YOU love? LOL I see how it is, so long as they’re drafting some man whose well-being you don’t value in the least you’re all in favor of this pointless decimation of life known as war. The absolute hypocrisy of it all is that you complain about fearing for your “safety” when no one’s being sent to die overseas yet you’d be the first one to burn your draft card if you were a young man in the 60’s. The only life you value is your own. Such a selfish and hypocritical attitude.
Additionally, your OWN government’s decimation of American safety and freedom during wartime should concern you the most, so if anyone should feel unsafe it should be when there IS war, for whether or not we’re “winning” the government is fully permitted to strip its citizens of any of our so called “unalienable” rights especially if they serve to hinder the war effort. They reserve the right to: restrict our freedom of speech, remove our right to protest, and throw us into prison upon SUSPICION of a crime usually in relation to the war in addition to numerous other examples of the human rights violations the government is allowed to get away with during times of war.
In the 50’s suspected communists were jailed despite most being innocent, and all Japanese Americans during WW2 were sent to prison camps in AMERICA, just like Hitler did during the holocaust, not due to any malicious actions or expressions of communist sentiment, but because they were merely suspected of communism or being a spy only due to one sole, unchangeable and uncontrollable aspect of themselves: their race. Have slanted eyes, black hair and yellow skin? Well, now you and your family can rot in America’s death camps just because the government doesn’t like people who share your physical traits! And guess what, not a single spy was found among them. ALL who died the awful deaths in those abominable camps were completely innocent and this was totally permitted and initiated by the U.S. government.
Further more, war is in many aspects a poor man’s problem. Rich people initiate the wars but they don’t
ever wanna fight them. During many wars including Vietnam, America’s elitist young males could get out of their draft by paying someone off, having connections to government officials, and even hiring someone to die for them (yes that was a thing, maybe just during the civil war and not as late as the 60’s though) etc. And in the unjust, discriminatory nature of war, those who were left to fight were the ones who had nothing to do with it.
War is truly an astonishing abomination of human rights. It concerns me how much you’re in favor of innocent people dying in favor of your own self interest.
@@perryoparsonneseatingjuicy8738 Shut the fuck up. You assume alot with your negative fuckery. You should try war. It might strengthen your weak soul.
The people in this video demonstrate a much better grasp of reality than most of the people I hear today. Maybe they just had common sense, even though they didn’t all agree with each other. It was also refreshing to see that they could speak to one another with civility.
I love this.. thank you for sharing this… makes me really feel like I’m not so alone
one thing i love about this old footage is how vibrant and strong american regional accents still were at the time. because of modern media regional accents in the states are disappearing. i'm 50 and i still remember when people in different parts of the u.s. spoke noticeably different from each other i think it's a real shame that before long americans will all sound more or less the same.
Please go into more detail about your statement I'm intrigued but to stupid to understand.
How does modern Media play into effect?
@@artshinn9679 the media being so gigantic and ubiquitous has a homogenizing effect on people and as a result regional accents are slowly disppearing from the u.s of a. even alot of people in other english speaking countries are beginning to take on aspects of a really boring generic american accent. not the end of the world but i think kind of sad.
Brilliant observation. Thank you for making me think in a way I hadn’t before. 👍🏻
@@williamhenderson8371 welcome thou art.
Really amazing to see the soldiers, who actually faced this nightmare, have a totally different account from the civilians who casually wanted to just throw troops away for mindless platitudes.
Not mindless. You get profits when nations buy your mass murdering products.
@@bjf9304 which propaganda caused My Lai massacre and Abu Ghraib?
@@bjf9304 same propaganda that got people agreeing to inject their kids with experimental vaccine.
I keep track of Henry Kissinger - because I do not blame the US but only specific people from the US - it seems he flew to see his fellow mass murderer Xi Jinping twice when the world was supposed to be in strict lockdown. My nation did our job, we convicted these war criminals of their crimes in our court but clearly in absentia, because we cannot afford to bring them to our trials. The Americans should do it, if they want to stop being tools of these psychopaths. Because it is not just our children they are raping, they prey on American children too.
Actually a lot of civilians were anti war, don’t know why you’re just spewing nonsense
uhhhh what? there were literally thousands, if not millions, of civilians protesting against the war
Always interesting to hear the fellowship discuss the truth about their own experience.
Valuable footage.
Best wishes
Cheers
David, thanks for showing us videos that, among other things, clearly remind us that history repeats itself. I remember these types of debates and they weren't always as calm as in this video. The same discussions could be going on today. We should remember to take a break from the vapid forms of distraction out there and, occasionally, think deeper about what is going on in the world, who our leaders are, what motivates them, and our own personal complicity in both the good and the bad.
Phil. I thank you for supporting my efforts.
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First of all; jack has immaculate hair, second of all, it’s so interesting and heartbreaking to see these stories on yt.
My uncle Tim went to nam, my other uncle Vince got lucky and went to Germany…
Tim was never the same. Vince came back and became a successful cpa. Tim came back shell shocked, a walking skeleton (pow)….
War is hell.
It ain’t glorious. It’s hell on earth
It's worse than hell. In hell nobody's innocent
I had the John Wayne syndrome and enlisted and volunteered. When actually serving in combat i found it was nothing like John Wayne had portrayed in the movies.
My dad was 18 in 1968. He was drafted but severe eczema kept him from going. But even though he didn’t go to war he still can’t talk about that part of history. He can’t even listen to his favorite music of that time. He can’t hear it because it reminds him of his friends who never returned or worse, those who returned mentally and physically altered beyond recognition. Three years ago I interviewed him about his life story. He talked about everything in his youth in the ‘50s early ‘60s. But then there was this large gap until I was born in ‘72. I tried to ask about his teens but he just couldn’t talk. When I asked him about his favorite music all he mentioned was that he used to love The Doors but the music brings up too much pain. I suppose this isn’t the only war that’s impacted people in this way. War sucks.
5:27 that woman was the one that was actually right. "This is an insane thing we are doing" I hope she had a blessed life
I have been considering having a sit down with my father who served in Vietnam and wasn't there long before he was injured by a mine and luckilly made it back with just some shrapnel in his leg and torso. I can only imagine the stories he could probably tell me if i just asked. I keep his old dogtags in my office.
Your Dad jas good taste in music. The Doors are legendaey
@@jeepfanatik1304 Now's the time to ask. You'll likely learn things you never knew before.
Do you think your dad was ashamed because he didn’t go? Kinda like survivors guilt?
Sounds like they’re talking about modern times. Nothing has changed.
NOTHING changes. Men and women today are STILL fighting over the same fake immature Power Struggles as 100,000 years ago!
NATURE SUCKS!
COVID SAVE US!!
Just substitute some of the words with others and it's the exact same.
Sadly but so true
@@dumpygoodness4086 what a nihilist go back to your cave then . Fuck you covid savior .
Pretty soon we are going to have a full-on communist movement here in the west.
It's amazing how the sentiment, concerns and suspicions of the people back then almost perfectly mirror those of people today, yet nothing has changed.
Last generation who thought government wouldn't lie to them .
Abu Bardewa boomer generation
Still going on. Look at this "worlds ending greta thunberg shit".
@@shrek19yearsago78 You apparently have no clue what the Boomer generation is or was. They were the ones primarily sent to Vietnam.
Matthew Ronson i know that
yes
1969 -intelligent, well reasoned, coherent , cogent arguments for why there is, and shouldn't be, war.
2019 -Nothing changes
Far less intelligent
@@chrisspedling75 only a bigger sample size people have always been stubid
The lady at 3:13 explained it perfectly
@@doughboyjr9418 ok... but it would still be worse now
Another necessary document of history. God bless you, David.
Welcome home Vietnam vets we respect you we love you and we are grateful for what you did. God bless you Vietnam vets
It took me YEARS to come to terms with the 3 killed and 4 wounded from my deployment to Afghanistan from 2012 to 2013.
I have no idea how this dude is able to coherently speak about 57 killed and 140 wounded.
Trauma and PTS is complicated. Some people can speak about it, but get sent into a vivid flashback panic attack when hearing fireworks, for example.
They say everyone who is in combat will eventually get PTS. It's not a matter of resilience, or strength of character. Special forces have a higher percentage of PTS victims. If I recall correctly, the only group with higher percentage of PTS than special forces is victims of rape.
Am important thing is that PTS can be helped by therapy, with a very very high success rate.
Now, you as a veteran probably knows this, but I think it's important that people know this. If you suffer from PTS/PTSD there is help to be found. Stay safe and healthy!
Dissociation probably makes it "easy" for him. It was not accepted back in the day.
10 upwards and it just becomes a number
@@AbuHajarAlBugatti maybe if you don't know the people
@@KittSpiken I don't see American care much about people surrounding them their whole life, left alone people they'd just met in War. Com' on, this is not novel or romance, dont have to lie, any honest person would know which type of personality individualism taught in this country has formed: NAR CISSISM, PSY CHO PATHY!!
"I didn't get killed in a war"
Literally survivors fallacy. Lmao
Alive but traumatised for the rest of his life
Love how we have the same complaints today as we did back then. This video is eye opening!
My grandfather was a WWII vet who fought in Okinawa. He lost all trust in the government when he found out that Roosevelt let Pearl Harbor happen. He also hated the Red Cross because when he was severely wounded, he wanted to write home but the Red Cross wanted him to pay for the stationary.
missartist123 We are pretty sure that the Red Cross was also getting weapons to the moderate rebels in Syria, truth be told, since they were the only ones let in and out at times when they had cut a city or area of Aleppo off. NBD. somehow their supplies kept refreshing.
Read Stinnett's "Day of Deceit" which has the evidence proving U.S. advance knowledge of Pearl Harbor. Roosevelt wanted it to happen.
My grandpa was at D Day and he hated the red Cross because they would charge for medical supplies
Radar "said so" so obviously rossevelt wanted world war 7 to happen
just like the U.S/U.S.S.R computers gave multiple false-positives on in coming nuclear missiles. Technology has never ever once ever been questioned, ever. Never ever. Not once.
Clearly an inside job. Also not starting amrageddon was an inside job, and this virus I just got? You better believe its an inside job.
Im just your average CNN/Fox viewer. peach trunp
Fighting in Okinawa proves that he personally knew that Roosevelt let Pearl Harbour happen?
Sorry but you aren't being logical, you also have this American exceptionalism idea in your head that no one can ever hurt you and that it always has to be a secret conspiracy where you let them hurt you.
The US didn't let pearl harbour happen, in fact with current technology at the time using torpedo's at pearl harbour was not possible. The USA blatantly said many times that it can't be hit, the US stationed many ships at pearl harbour as the US thought that Japan may move on some of the pacific lands or on the Philippines, so the US wanted to have a force ready.
Though what ended up happening is the Japanese simply put temporary wooden fins on the torpedo's, it enabled them to flatten their trajectory and not dive deep at all. The wooden finds broke off when they hit the water and then they simply drove in shallow waters into the US ships and blew them up. Sorry about this, you messed up.
The US did ultimately on a realistic level enter WW2 as soon as they put the oil embargo on Japan and froze Japanese assets in the USA. The plan was more likely going to be to just storm the Japanese navy with the US fleet when Japan tried to move in on the Philippines.
All in all though the world turned out alright, I feel bad for the 3 million dead Japanese civilians though and I also think a lot of those Germans cities that were burned down was a bit unnecessary. But when one country starts losing then it's enemies really want to seek revenge, even if that means mass killing civilians.
1960’s: There’s a war every 10 years. 2020: “Looking around uncomfortably 19 years into our current war” Oh that’s terrible.
Not many deaths on the US side in the middle east. It has a much lower population density, and is generally extremely open. Add onto that how much technology has increased and it's a much more one sided.
But it doesn't matter how one sided it is, the US can't win. You can't win a war on an ideology.
I laughed too hard at this truth, sad laughed
@@lost4468yt You can't win a war on ideology? Of course you can, it's called national resistance against occupying forces. Works almost every time, and is very motivating. The problem with the US's recent wars is that they have no sincere ideology, only profiteering and protecting Israel. If they wanted to spread democracy, they could start with their Gulf Arab allies.
You can't get new missiles if you don't use the ones you have.
@@slm3913
What do you have to say about Biden finally ending the Afghanistan conflict???
theres so many bits that just hit hard. but you really have to appreciate that these people are having open and honest conversations. it isnt like now where every issue is a line in the sand and brands you as part of a faction.
thank you so very much for sharing this
Damn man I did 15 yrs in the army and these people are talking just like we talk today .... nothing has changed man ... I'll be honest Iraq and Afghan fucked me up ... and for what ??? Really what was accomplished
I'm so sorry. I know you felt you were doing the right thing at the time. Even though it didn't work out the way you hoped, I still thank you for your service and let's hope someday people will realize the futility of it all and end these wars.
A lot of people made a lot of money but did not serve in any of these wars. One in particular had a problem with Bone Spurs
We accomplished leaving these countries in shambles, leaving the mess for weak governments and militant groups to pick up the pieces and inadvertently create ISIS. God bless America!
@Michael Shipman Does he have to get old to see it? I am 39 years old and I've seen my high school classmates fight and die in Europe, Africa, and the Middle East. This shit never stops with them, its never enough to be rich and powerful when you have a tiny penis
@John Johnson my brother- chill. This discussion isn't about Vietnam. It's about the war in Afghanistan and about 815's comment about his time served.
That woman with the puffed hair, my God. The ones who are the most vocal on fighting wars are precisely those who don’t have to go there.
True, but was she wrong?
@@MarcusKiner yes
@@calzabbath about what?
@@MarcusKiner about everything
If communism doesn’t work, how does it spread.
I would love to see these kinds of conversations and interviews of the public today, with everything that has gone on in the past few years. Unfortunately, that seems quite hard to come by.
It’s moments like these we need to not forget. History will repeat itself, it’s inevitable from a statistical stand point. The best thing we can do is REMEMBER what has happened to prevent what could happen again.
"Old men declare war but the young must fight and die"- Unknown
Digging shrapnel out of his leg from a mortar and had the GM stamp on it.
Unreal
Carlo Dilallo my dad knows a guy that served as Guatemalan Special Forces (I think it’s called kaibil or somtething) and he used to fight the rebels in Guatemala in the 70’s to 80’s. He said one day they ambushed their camp and he said they found American goods. Cigarettes, alcohol, guns, clothes, from jackets to underwear. Shit like Fruit of the Loom, Hanes, water resistant boots, Marlboro (which was and still is extremely expensive in Guatemala) porn magazines, guns stamped with Made In USA, and American dollars. His squad took pictures of everything that was on the camp. He said they were baffled at how some shitty indigenous people that lived in the jungle (where there aren’t even bathrooms) had better supplies than Guatemalan special forces. Fast forward to ‘90 something he illegally immigrates from Guatemala to the US with his family. A couple months living in the US him and his family get caught by ICE and are readying to deport him. He talks to a judge and tells him he served as special forces in Guatemala and has information and proof on the US government funding the rebels that killed so many Guatemalans and that he was gonna talk to a journalist if they sent him back to Guatemala . He was let go, given money and citizenship along with family. He now lives peacefully in the US with his family. He could have been bullshitting me but when he told me I could swear he was telling the truth. Anyways I share this since that one dude mentioned that he was about to be killed by his enemies with American goods.
@@jamesbombss5777 holy fuck that sounds unreal dude
Watermelon Dave wow man. I don’t doubt it.
Tarry Hesticles I know man, it’s nuts. I found this article a while back. It’s about the exact same time when my dads friend told me it happened. It’s a good read. www.nytimes.com/1981/12/04/world/guatemalan-army-and-leftist-rebels-locked-in-war.html
I think it would have been scrap metal from a car used as shrapnel, I could be wrong.
Very interesting video. Great post
My dad was a Vietnam veteran and I had asked him about his experiences once. He never said a word about it. Years after I had my own experiences in both Afghanistan and Iraq, I told him I finally understood why he never said anything about his time in 'Nam. After his passing this February, I found his photo album and not only did I find he kept every letter I sent him from my posts both overseas and stateside, but I found photos of himself he took during his time overseas. I got to see a side of my father that I never knew existed that mirrored my own life in service. It haunts me, but I found a deep sense of relief and peace at the same time.
You reminded me of the song “the box” by randy Travis.
Fake comment you just copied from one the other comments on this video
@@youtubeistryingtocensorme Show me where else this was said. Asshole.
No offense, your dad sounded like a deadbeat if he wouldn’t talk to you and it took him dying for you to get to know who he really was lol
Family of fascists and invaders
Scary an sad to see, that nothing has changed ever since.
same lies
same arguments
same politics
same wars
So true :(
It's not that humanity doesn't know these things are wrong, it's that we let it happen. We obey the government like blind dogs.
Yet we sit back and do nothing about it. In 1776 the people took a stand a fought the tyranny and won. Just imagine what they could today
Something has changed. We gave up on protesting wars in countries on the other side of the planet.
Hegelian Dialektics
Thank you 🙏
"they are supposed to make cars"
thanks David for sharing these perspectives with us.
You guys really make me laugh with your comments. Maybe try serving others for a change. Volunteer, help little old ladies, something.
Damn I was born in March of ‘01
@@jrg5315 A 9/11 year baby. Do you realize that many of the young men that went to Vietnam were your age? 21?
Oh, so you're a murdered but on a better payrole? Man your dad failed as a father.
Honestly man how could you be that stupid
I'm curious as to what you would tell your son nowadays? Would you tell him the same thing about the marines that your dad told you about the army? Just wondering
It’s so weird seeing all the older folks agreeing with the youth. You don’t see that a lot today
Every time a young guy said something I was waiting for an older one to disagree or try and argue but it was very civilized and everyone seemed to be on the same page regarding Vietnam
Because todays youth is ignorant and doesn't know how to have a conversation. They're all self entitled, "you owe me", "I'm offended" crybabies. Back then, an 18 year old was a grown man or a grown woman. Somewhere along the way, intelligence and common sense has died.
@@NKdidit.24 you just proved my point, all you’re doing is whining like a little bitch about ‘kids these days’
People didn't buy into the propaganda like they do today.
@@fastfreeks they were probably saying that in the 60’s too
@@Superbl0bby For sure. Probably goes back thousands of years. That's why the founders wanted a small gov and no standing army as well as the 2nd although the 2nd came later 1791 after people in government tried to disarm the newly formed American citizens. They knew the dangers of democracy, oligarchy, dictatorship or any form of government for that matter. They knew it's only a matter of time before the government is filled with corruption and tries to control every aspect of our lives, as government is just words on paper enforced by flawed people. That's why we have a constitution to put limits on government but that's just paper as some have said recently "it isn't absolute". They are right it's only as strong as the people are willing to uphold it.
It’s interesting hearing these opinions especially “every ten years this country has to have a war” so true.
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5:28 someone shoulda been applauding her action in that situation. She was standing up in intimate situation with confidence. Very admirable.
Watching footage from this era always makes me realise how much more articulate and honest people used to be when talking about their opinion on things, even if it was controversial. Contrasts pretty harshly with our culture today.
@@WontonDestruction I don’t know if that’s true, but online the most outrageous statements get the most views so it looks that way
@@lucamne27 you must live a very boring life if that qualifies as controversial for you
@@WontonDestruction what is that personal attack? It doesn’t even make sense.
I was trying to politely tell you that the belief that the past was better and that people were fundamentally different is an extremely common cognitive bias. In the present you are exposed to tons of bullshit everyday, shit that does not get remembered 30 years later.
To believe that human discourse would fundamentally change in 50 years doesn’t make any sense.
@@lucamne27 mate if you think human discourse hasn't changed at all in the last 10 years post social media, let alone the last 50, then you're not paying attention
"The only ones that gain anything from our tax laws are the very wealthy or the very poor... we support the country, yet we have the least to say about it."
Fascinating to see an old guy from the 60s utter the same words I have been saying my whole life. Nothing ever changes.
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Exactly. It's so interesting and sad how we are still having these same conversations.
Thank for digging this up from the dustbin of history
I love debates; and the especially great ones are ALWAYS about hot topics with serious people. You can't get personally upset, you can't tear down the other's character, you can only say what you think, and at best, why you think it.
"....your politicians get their cut too you know..." Great, timeless line! Thank you 💕
I like they guy that said they had a reason for WW2 and wars before that. Korea was the first war we fought interfering in other people’s affairs. We got lucky with that one, but it really had the same immoral ground that Vietnam, and every war after it had. We haven’t fought a moral war for 75 years now.
Waaaa! I watched this and felt dejavu. 2021 or 1969. Saying the same things about the same things. I am a VN combat veteran that is totally disabled with PTSD. A FMF Corpsman ‘69 - ‘70. NOTHING has changed except 1 thing: the draft. I can only conclude: We haven’t learned anything…………………..
........and we never will. As long as politicians lie and start wars, there are always those who will be influenced enough to join up and die. i.e. Vietnam & Iraq. History 100% repeats itself because the few are always fucking the many so the few can stay in power and make millions.
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