Super good information, thank you for your time to explain us. When i buid my buggy 3 years ago, i didn't know that, and my buggy at 50-80 km/h it's very hard to keep it straight. So, next time, when i will remake the front i'll try make it bețter. Thank you for your lessons Best regards
@@DougBugBuilder when ever will be that upgrade, now, for off-road at low speed, it's no problem. Maybe, next time the front suspensions will break. Maybe 😀😀😀
Thanks, I've always kept them in pretty good shape. Some of these now are just shelf queens. But that RC10 has many many miles on him. But he's been rebuilt countless times.
look at those gold AE shocks! 👍 good vid, i'm actually working on building steering arms for the knuckles/spindles i made for my rail. my rack is very narrow so i'm using a "draglink" i guess.....maybe it's called an idler link?? but it allows for the tie rods to be the same length as the arms... we'll see if it works. gotta do some homework on ackermann before i weld anything up... edit: oh! and i really like the 90* shock angle at full bump on that RC10, so many people get this wrong and build in "decreasing rate" shock angle! always should be at 90* at full bump so spring rate increases linearly throughout range of motion, solid axle or A-arm. keep the vids coming!
So glad you noticed the shocks. But to really nerd out I'll point out that those are actually "Kyosho Gold" shocks. Back in the day I thought those were better. I used the RC10 suspension a lot to get design ideas. They're setup is really good. Simple, but geometrically perfect!
I really enjoy when you bring out the RC models to explain things. Probably easier on you as well, instead of messing with the heavy real world suspension haha
Good general explanation of a misunderstood topic within the car guy community without using any complex math. I've had conversations on bump steer and other suspension topics with car guys and most don't get it. Even when drawing pictures and making mockups (or pulling out RC cars) a donut has less glazing than their eyes.
Yeah, I'm actually careful when talking to people to try and not nerd out to much. Actually when the wife and I are out I generally have a rule that I don't talk about Baja's or fabrication unless asked. Otherwise I'll go on and on and I think I get to a point where I lose people. That's what's nice about this channel, it's all like minded people.
@@DougBugBuilder hey Doug did you ever figure out your broken axle issue? It looked like to me from the video you need to shorten up the limiting strap a bit, looked to have a bit too much droop. Take care buddy.
@@chuckingram5966 Yeah, I ordered CV axles. 😉 They're backordered though, so we might not see them for awhile. Honestly on the old axles I think it was a mixture of not pulling in the clutch in the air and a little to much droop.
These R/C cars bring back great 80s memories. Back in the day my brother and myself started out with the frog and Blackfoot. They were basically the same. I also had a monster beater as well. I put a extra set of wheels on it. Had a total of 8 rims and tires. Starting in the mid 90s we advanced to the RC 10. My brother started racing locally here in Tampa. He eventually ended up with a 50/50 sponsorship with Team Associated. I found it amazing how life like the RC 10 cars and trucks were to.real life. They had angel degree blocks and so on. They even had alignment racks to set toe and camber. I.dont know if you remember the yokomo 4WD. That car was so advanced even by today's standards. Great info video. Thanks for bringing back the great memories.
I followed the same path. Started with Tamiya and eventually got an RC10 when I was ready to be serious. I had a Frog too. It was a weird car, but actually ran really well. I think the birth of Monster trucks made us all want a Blackfoot or Monster Beetle (Beater). 😂
A video on steering ackerman would be awesome as well. I'm going to bet you've accounted for it on the boug and it would be cool to see how you tackled that while designing!
Funny to see that, with the RC10, all the Ackermann is actually inboard! At least the little bit it actually has. Goes to show the Ackermann geometry doesn't need to be 100% correct, especially for off-road purposes, where nothing ever goes straight and front grip is an option 🤣.
@@DougBugBuilder And even in real life you hear cars squeaking their tires in the parking lots, so even the manufacturers get it "wrong". Read: not high on the priority list.
Still Have my Tamiya RC More or less a Volkswagen Chassis .......The Off Road Trucks use what's Called a Swing Set System because of the travel they are getting. now a days. Haven't Seen the pups lately...they doin well?
If I remember you have the SRB F150. The dogs are well. They weren't in this video, but they had a good clip at the end of the last video. Trucks with swing set suspension have some of the coolest steering geometry to control bump. I've watched videos of guys building them and they're quite intricate.
Caster angles of 7-10 degrees are very common. The higher it is the more it will try to center. Because off road vehicles see a lot of angled driving surfaces I didn't want to go to high. So I built mine at 8 degrees and it's been pretty good.
The RC cars showed the problem greatly with their exaggerated toe changes. Smaller size makes it easier to see both sides at the same time. That's not as easy full scale.
Building a Buggy and taking an RC Car from the Competition Section as a template is a great Idea.
Yeah, it was easier to design having something to look at and take ideas from.
Super good information, thank you for your time to explain us.
When i buid my buggy 3 years ago, i didn't know that, and my buggy at 50-80 km/h it's very hard to keep it straight.
So, next time, when i will remake the front i'll try make it bețter.
Thank you for your lessons
Best regards
If you built it the first time, you can build it better.
Every time I take something apart I try to put it back together "Slightly Better"
@@DougBugBuilder when ever will be that upgrade, now, for off-road at low speed, it's no problem.
Maybe, next time the front suspensions will break.
Maybe
😀😀😀
very nice vintage RC car in perfect condition. It's obvious, you take care of your toys, whatever their size…
Thanks, I've always kept them in pretty good shape. Some of these now are just shelf queens. But that RC10 has many many miles on him. But he's been rebuilt countless times.
You have learned a lot since your early RC car day's. Must feel good to build and drive your dream machine.
It feels great Greg! 😁
look at those gold AE shocks! 👍 good vid, i'm actually working on building steering arms for the knuckles/spindles i made for my rail. my rack is very narrow so i'm using a "draglink" i guess.....maybe it's called an idler link?? but it allows for the tie rods to be the same length as the arms... we'll see if it works. gotta do some homework on ackermann before i weld anything up... edit: oh! and i really like the 90* shock angle at full bump on that RC10, so many people get this wrong and build in "decreasing rate" shock angle! always should be at 90* at full bump so spring rate increases linearly throughout range of motion, solid axle or A-arm. keep the vids coming!
So glad you noticed the shocks. But to really nerd out I'll point out that those are actually "Kyosho Gold" shocks. Back in the day I thought those were better.
I used the RC10 suspension a lot to get design ideas. They're setup is really good. Simple, but geometrically perfect!
Hey man,
very interesting video.
✌️Peace from Melbourne Australia.
Hey Kevin, good to hear from ya. ✌
I really enjoy when you bring out the RC models to explain things. Probably easier on you as well, instead of messing with the heavy real world suspension haha
You're right, it's so much easier. Not nearly as heavy as the real thing. 😁
Good general explanation of a misunderstood topic within the car guy community without using any complex math. I've had conversations on bump steer and other suspension topics with car guys and most don't get it. Even when drawing pictures and making mockups (or pulling out RC cars) a donut has less glazing than their eyes.
Yeah, I'm actually careful when talking to people to try and not nerd out to much. Actually when the wife and I are out I generally have a rule that I don't talk about Baja's or fabrication unless asked. Otherwise I'll go on and on and I think I get to a point where I lose people.
That's what's nice about this channel, it's all like minded people.
lol nice explanation! I remember when you did all that mock up and adjusting your suspension and steering geometry. Definitely paid off!
Thanks, it did pay off. Everything seems to work in harmony with the other components.
@@DougBugBuilder hey Doug did you ever figure out your broken axle issue? It looked like to me from the video you need to shorten up the limiting strap a bit, looked to have a bit too much droop. Take care buddy.
@@chuckingram5966 Yeah, I ordered CV axles. 😉 They're backordered though, so we might not see them for awhile. Honestly on the old axles I think it was a mixture of not pulling in the clutch in the air and a little to much droop.
An hour late, but I’m here now! 👍🏻💪🏻
Better late than never. ✌
These R/C cars bring back great 80s memories. Back in the day my brother and myself started out with the frog and Blackfoot. They were basically the same. I also had a monster beater as well. I put a extra set of wheels on it. Had a total of 8 rims and tires. Starting in the mid 90s we advanced to the RC 10. My brother started racing locally here in Tampa. He eventually ended up with a 50/50 sponsorship with Team Associated. I found it amazing how life like the RC 10 cars and trucks were to.real life. They had angel degree blocks and so on. They even had alignment racks to set toe and camber. I.dont know if you remember the yokomo 4WD. That car was so advanced even by today's standards. Great info video. Thanks for bringing back the great memories.
I followed the same path. Started with Tamiya and eventually got an RC10 when I was ready to be serious. I had a Frog too. It was a weird car, but actually ran really well. I think the birth of Monster trucks made us all want a Blackfoot or Monster Beetle (Beater). 😂
interresting explanation 👍👍💯💯💯
Thanks! 😃
Really good explanation and demonstration. Please do more videos like this for other considerations when designing suspension setups
Thanks, I'll try to do that.
A video on steering ackerman would be awesome as well. I'm going to bet you've accounted for it on the boug and it would be cool to see how you tackled that while designing!
Actually did one a couple years ago, here it is.
th-cam.com/video/ZYJKWZIxP7s/w-d-xo.html
You illustrated bunp steer better than most. Thank you for taking the time to do so and share
Glad you liked it, thanks for the comment.
Funny to see that, with the RC10, all the Ackermann is actually inboard!
At least the little bit it actually has.
Goes to show the Ackermann geometry doesn't need to be 100% correct, especially for off-road purposes, where nothing ever goes straight and front grip is an option 🤣.
I agree, I think once it hits the dirt it's all slippin and slidin anyways.
@@DougBugBuilder And even in real life you hear cars squeaking their tires in the parking lots, so even the manufacturers get it "wrong".
Read: not high on the priority list.
Very educational
Thanks!
Very informative!!
Thanks!
Still Have my Tamiya RC More or less a Volkswagen Chassis .......The Off Road Trucks use what's Called a Swing Set System because of the travel they are getting. now a days. Haven't Seen the pups lately...they doin well?
If I remember you have the SRB F150.
The dogs are well. They weren't in this video, but they had a good clip at the end of the last video.
Trucks with swing set suspension have some of the coolest steering geometry to control bump. I've watched videos of guys building them and they're quite intricate.
@@DougBugBuilder Search NTD Racing on You Tube..hes building a Truck Used Bend
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How did you figure out what to set your cast or at
Caster angles of 7-10 degrees are very common. The higher it is the more it will try to center. Because off road vehicles see a lot of angled driving surfaces I didn't want to go to high. So I built mine at 8 degrees and it's been pretty good.
The RC cars showed the problem greatly with their exaggerated toe changes. Smaller size makes it easier to see both sides at the same time. That's not as easy full scale.
Yeah, the RC cars are perfect for showing things like this. And I just like showing my RC cars.
Check out Africa rat rods, he shows this stuff with plywood.