The Father Who Killed His Family's 'Murderer'
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 19 พ.ค. 2022
- Think about this for one moment…
What would it take for you to take someone's life?
What would that person have done to cause you to risk it all and enact revenge by making them pay the ultimate price?
As you watch this video, you have a choice. You can easily ignore the questions I just asked and go about your life like nothing of the sort will ever happen.
But in 2002, a certain Russian Architect and family man named Vitali Kaleyov, did not have that luxury.
With the neck breaking speed of a jumbo jet in freefall, the same questions I asked a few seconds ago crashed at his feet, and after 2 years, the answers he chose to give shocked the entire world.
Tragedy pushed Vitali Kaleyov to his limit and made him commit one of the most controversial acts of murder in recent history.
A murder that split public opinion in two distinct factions with polar-opposite answers to this particular question;
Was Vitali Kaleyov's murderous act justified?
Welcome or Welcome back to twisted minds. My name is James and today, we are going to deep dive into the controversial, vengeful and absolutely tragic case of Vitaly Kaleyov. - บันเทิง
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Nothing is more dangerous than a person who has nothing left to lose.
Reddit tier comment
A man who has nothing to lose but on a mission of vengance is just a nightmare walking.
joker type beat
"The most dangerous creation of any society is the man who has nothing to lose." - James Baldwin. They will literally continue fighting until the end because there is nothing else. The reference is about a person who has taken everything from another person.
@@larajones175 This man saw his guiding light fade, and decided fuck it if im treading through hell it will not be alone that for sure.
It's bad enough to lose one person, but to lose three including your kids has to be truly hellish.
Something similar happed to one Slovak politician with his family. His wife, adult daugher and son went to Africa for holiday and the plane crashed there. He was left alone as 50+yrs old his age . He didnt kill anyone.
@@lucialieskovska6182 yes, and those reaponsible did not repeatedly refuse to apologize and add salt to his wound. It's a different situation with different circumstances so don't be sulky.
Damn. Zo trove sERIOUSLY=TH0,
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@Annabelle that's not an excuse for murder because of "no apology"....pathetic....he's a pathetic excuse of a man and anyone who supports him is a pathetic excuse for a human being
@@annabelle3510 idiotic statement
In my opinion, Skyguide added insult to injury by not taking responsibility and apologizing to the families for the tragedy. Clearly they were at fault and they caused the death of their employee by not giving him the chance to succeed with all the obstacles that night.
What a heartbreaking story. I hope Vitally is in much better spirits today, as well as all the family members of the victims. God rest their precious souls.
Talking about adding insult to injury how about wanting to pay the man to shut him up because that idiot company Skyguide don't want to accept responsibility and apologize to the victims' families for the tragedy and they know the whole tragedy was clearly their fault but that's just it creeps never want to accept responsibility and apologize for things that's clearly their fault and clearly they did cause the death of one of their own employees all because they didn't want to accept responsibility and that whole wanting to pay the father off seems like they could've gotten in trouble for that cause they're like offering him a bribe to shut him up and I can't understand why go after the employee of the company and kill him when it should have been the damn company he went after cause they're more at fault for it happening why put all the blame on that one employee and kill him for it like it was all his fault and I don't know it for a fact all I know is what I read in another comment but if it's true and that company Skyguide is still in operation they shouldn't be cause that whole disaster should've have gotten them shutdown if they're still in operational till this very day cause innocent lives were lost on that day of the tragedy and they refused to accept responsibility and then they cause one of their own to lose his life I mean that company caused nothing but disaster and if they're still in operation what a crook!
Yea the company is at fault and not that murdering mus lim animal, which only obeyed the law if its primitive culture. Blood for blood
@@fayewitt9881 15:25 dam this part really tear me up, you can tell how much he really love his family and especially little Diana
Nelson's innocence doesn't mean they caused his death.
Vitaly is a murderer. His family is beter of without him.
I think you missed the part where he had engineered 8 massive spheres placed "scattered" near the site of the crash in honor of his family, his daughter, representing the 8 pearls of her necklace that he found with her body that tragic day.
Wait...... that was from this case? Holy wow. Journalists did a terrible job of keeping up with what happened. I didn't realize that story, and this case were connected.
Omg that was a lot for one air control officer...
Wow. You can tell he put a lot of thought into getting his revenge. Obsessed over it. Idk if I could justify him murdering someone but I def sympathize with the poor guy. I might have done something like it. I can only imagine the grief he must have felt. Some people go their whole lives without finding that kind of love and to have it snatched away by some assholes negligence is maddening. It was really sad hearing about his daughter and her necklace. This is a tough one. Thx for sharing that tho
Thou shall not kill.....revenge is for god not us,its hard to obey this law,but we must.😊
@@whynot9771 Well them tell god to stop those misfortunes on happening rather than enacting stupid laws that are too hard to follow...
This whole story is just heartbreaking. Skyguide was definitely to blame. I don’t understand why they couldn’t just apologize. If they had, the outcome may have been different. I agree with Vitaliy. I’m sorry but if my whole family died and no one would accept blame or even show some sympathy I would be plotting a murder too. I don’t know if I could go through with it. But I would imagine it. A lot.
If they apologized it would be them taking responsibility and would open them up to lawsuits for wrongful death, etc. So they just lied instead and covered it up. They should be shut down entirely and the people in charge should be in prison.
It's big business.
Think about the huge automobile manufacturers.
They will discover some defective part and if they do the math and it will only cause the deaths of a percentage of people that will cost them less then a recall of all the cars, they won't say a word and people will die.
@@tigerkitten8352 I never thought about that. Thank you. But wasn’t there a way they could empathize with the families without taking responsibility? No one at Skyguide felt bad? That’s a lot of deaths on their hands.
@@luvmenow33 You are absolutely right. I have heard this before. People disgust me with their lack of regard for human life. If one person dies it effects so many others. When it comes down to it, it’s always about money.
@@tigerkitten8352
would have been cheaper than facing death threats from the victims and lawsuits, easily could have rectified it earlier and yes I saw and heard the whole case
When his daughter was found with a pink dress, dressed up for her dad, that broke me RIP
Same and the pearls💔💔
😢 as a father to a eight year old daughter I can’t imagine the pain he must have been endured and still is I would have done the same
🙏🏼 pray for the lost souls 🙏
@@AmarjeetSingh-qy3dl ah yes I did too have a 8 yr old daughter and yeah those times are memorable but 10 thru 12 are crucial year's, I don't know what I did wrong but somehow I lost my best friend my daughter to boy's at 13. And believe me as a father the things I found on her phone 💔 and we apparently had a bond that couldn't be broken. She is going on 15 now we don't really speak I'm very disappointed and pissed she turned out just like the rest of them..her mother deal's with her now
@@GSX-R_BOY blame yourself
This is a really sad and unfortunate story. I am a father of two myself and I occasionaly work overseas, away from my family, so I understood how Vitaly felt when the tragedy happened. Those skyguide's managers were the true evil. If only they unveiled the truth and apologized beforehand, the murder probably could be avoided.
The fact that controller did not come up about what exactly happened that night makes him just as guilty in my opinion. Why would he not reveal the negligence committed by his company that night straight away? Don't the families deserve an apology/compensation? it is probably due to fear for his job, for himself or guilt over something.
Personally I have no sympathy for Kaloyev. He stabbed a man to death in front of his wife and children for the mistakes of his employer. He should have served life in prison for that. Any sympathy for his families loss went when he decided to destroy another family.
@@maxpowerii7368 I have no empathy for killers. None. Regardless of the situation, I would have supported the death penalty in this case. I just feel that death would be the most humane form of punishment for this individual. Before being given the needle, bullet, electric chair, or noose, he could be given the chance to redeem himself before God before his death. Nothing more.
@maxpowerii7368 Finally, someone said the right thing about that case
@@cnnw3929 if you have no empathy for killers, then you shouldn't have any empathy for that Dane either, given how he killed dozens of children with his gross negigence
The fact he was able to move on from this at all is incredible. It’s not like he was able to come home to one of his kids, or at least his wife… but he came home to nobody. And to think he’s not the only person that lost all of his children on this flight. After what he went through it’s hard to believe he was in a fully healthy frame of mind again for a very long time.
Hes a muslim. They have no sentimental feelings for women. For them they are breeding cattle. It was just about his ptide and his family honour
The fact he was able to move on makes it all the more tragic that Nielsen never could.
Sometimes.. Justice comes to burst out all the violence that one keeps on his/her vessel
I have mixed reaction over this. On one side, I'm glad that he finally move on, on the other, I'm sickened to his indifference of him killing Nielsen despite him being innocent and some people who idolized him as hero
@@kentadran that's brown people's understanding of justice shown in mob killings and necklacings
A guy in Texas was recently released with no charges after murdering the man that molested his daughter. Fingers crossed that more empathy is taken in this situation moving forward
I feel so much empathy for people like that. If someone ever touched my child idk what I would do
Whereas a minor molested was convicted to 15 years in prison for mudering her rapist.
The guy in Texas was justified. He's, like most people who do this, are not a danger to society as a whole, just a danger to anyone who harms or kills their loved ones.
@@lauralee5226 I know exactly what I would do if that happened to my daughter…
I remember that Texas story. That father was fully justified.
The way they described the little girls death and how he collected the 8 pearls... and then how they said he promised his wife the botanical of Spain only for.her to die in a corn field. This was so heart wrenching.
It do not justifice killing a man in front of wife and children. It was not his fault, he was alone😢
Exactly!! I cried so much😭😭😭😭
Heart breaking !
@TM From Denmark I'm confused where I said it was justified? All o said was that part of the story made me fuckong sad. Don't be a social justice warrior
@@maudforman1342 l personally think it was sad for both families who one has lost a husband and father n the other lost a wife , daughter n son .... and all the other families who lost their lives , my heart is sad for all concerned , let's hope a lot is learnt from this air disaster and prevents another disaster in the sky ! I agree with your comments !
I cried watching this, there were so many victims and vitalli and Peter both suffered greatly. I hope today he has found peace, but I know he’ll always love his beautiful wife and 2 beautiful kids, even though he had no choice but to move on. Lots of love to this brave, strong man. Nobody deserved this, he just wanted an apology and for the company to apologize, he wasn’t asking for their money, he wanted something that costs nothing, not set things right for his family and the other victims that had their fate sealed on that crash.
@@mooncricket8192 you obviously don’t know what you’re talking about, I wasn’t complaining here at all, I was praising this man and feeling empathy for him. Go back to school you used “want some cheese with that whine” wrong. Go harass someone else pedophile, go watch some child p0rn
Can't imagine the pain he went through, not only did he lose his entire family but discovered and saw his children remain. I feel for Peter’s family too. I wish he was understanding and has shown empathy. RIP TO ALL THE VICTIMS.
I just wanna know who the dude that went to sleep was. I hope he knows that if we were to evaluate the level of blame, he and the company are up there. Him for the actual behaviour and the company for the way they handled things afterwards. I can't imagine how the people from that company could even look into the eyes of those families. I wouldn't be able too sleep at night.
@@nataliasophia32 they have no morals, everything is about money for them.
How the company completly refused to accept responsability publicly but then offered that money to Vitaly basically admiting to his face that it was their fault but not publicly and thinking that money would replace that loss is frankly astonoshing, they had all the chance to mitigate that horrible situation but they made it worse, i don´t know if i could have done what Vitaly did in his situation, but i certainly would wish i could...
I'm starting to really hate this A-holes videos. With a click bait title like "The Father Who Killed His Family's Murderer", I was excited to watch. But it turned out this the man this father murdered was not in fact a murderer but instead an over worked, perhaps under qualified employee who made a horrible mistake.
How all of you are backing this father is mind boggling to me. I remember when this story came out, I was disgusted by this father and felt no pity for him, only his family. Now I'm disgusted by all of you too. What has this world come to.
Down voted for the Click Bait and will never watch another one of Twisted Minds videos because of their inability to critically think.
He killed the wrong person, though. It wasn't Peter's fault that Skyguide had maintenance on the communications equipment that night, or that his colleague literally slept on the job. Nor was he to blame for the disgusting arrogance of the executives at Skyguide. This man was happily awaiting the arrival of his beloved family one moment, and was hurled into unimaginable grief the next. I cried for him watching this video. But it would have been easier for me to empathize with him killing anyone, if he had waited until he knew what happened and who was to blame. He murdered a random guy who just went to work that day and actually did his job the best way he possibly could with the extremely limited options he had. He inflicted the same grief on an innocent family that had been inflicted on him. And he himself is arrogant enough to say that his innocent victim is nothing to him, and minimize the grief of the family who lost a father, husband, son and brother. You'd think he'd be able to show some remorse and empathy to those people whose lives HE shattered, after what he'd been through himself.
This is more on the part of the lawyers that they hire.
Because if they did they would lose millions and would be faced with a lot of lawsuits. They refused to say sorry because they didn’t want to lose money
@@Kari.F. One man lost his family then murdered a man in front of his family, and most here sympathize with the murderer. They care more about the coward Vitali who is a grown man than they do about Peters children, who're just kids and had to witness their father being viciously murdered. These commentators have no morals.
PS this channel is absolute sheiit....total click bait with a title like ""The Father Who Killed His Family's Murderer". A better title would be "A murderous father kills man in front of his children"
Peter’s coworker is truly the one to blame here. My guy had to pick up his slack and was overwhelmed. He didn’t deserve to die for that.
The leadership of Skyguide is to blame, as well as the colleague
It was company policy fault ..
If it was his fault his wife and kid should have been taken as well Amen !
It was basically everyones fault there. Peter shouldnt have allowed his coworker to go rest. The company shouldve had a better maintenance plan set in place. And the company owners shouldve have taken responsibilities for what happened from the beginning.
@@humanbean1424 Allowed his colleague to rest? Peter had 0 authority over other workers. Nor did he have any obligation or responsibility to do their work. Yet, he did everything he could to do both of their jobs in order to prevent the crash, while also battling against maintenance that shut down many of his vital functions.
As a Father myself... I understand his anger.
I read Peter had to go through extensive therapy and anti depressants because of the immense guilt from the tradegy, so clearly he had empathy. Idk what happened with the encounter between the two men, but being that Vitaly just hunted him down and randomly showed up on his property, I'm getting the hunch that he was not acting rationally or mentally stable, so I can see Nielsen feeling alarmed and concerned and unsure of Vitaly's intentions, especially with his family nearby.
Agree. This material is so biased and doesn't do Peter any good. It sounds as if he carelessly went on a vacation, and was disrespectful towards the heroic Vitaly.
When you try to get more of Peter's perspective, he was f-ed by crappy company he worked for, took all the blame for them, went through therapy and such, and one day encountered a crazed bumpkin at his property with a knife, gruesome photos of dead kids and speaking foreign language. Like you said, he was very right to be alarmed.
And Peter's wife and kids? They saw this stranger stab their husband/dad to death, and the justice system let him walk free after 3 years. And then he returned home, welcomed as a hero, and ran for public office. Such justice...
@@czossosnkowy Vitaly got justice and of course people are gonna be biased in his favor. I'd probably do the same if someone slaughtered my family. And Peter Nielsen KNEW that what he was doing in letting his co-worker take a break was illegal yet still chose to tolerate it. All it would have taken from Peter Nielsen to save his own life was an apology but instead he decided to be arrogant, and slapped away Kaloyev's wrist when Kaloyev was showing a picture of his children.
@@dod-iw6hjYeah dummy, I don't think he was there to have coffee with Peter and talk when he brought a knife with him. Also literally the only evidence of Peter behaving in any sort of way or throwing the pictures are the words of the murderer. I'm not going to trust the guy that goes to his house with a knife to "talk to him and make him apologize". It is in his absolute benefit to show his actions as justified.
@@dod-iw6hjAlso it's more complex than that. His co-worker was his supervisor. You don't know the situation at that time, if he raised a complaint, he would probably be the one fired by that shitty corrupt company. Probably replaced by a person more like the supervisor to cause bigger accidents.
@@classonbread5757 I'm fine with trusting the words of a man who lost literally everything important to him. What reason would he have to lie?
“When you lose everything, you have nothing to lose.” I don’t know who said it but it applies to this situation.
“When you got nothin you got nothin to lose.” Bob Dylan, Like A Rolling Stone
@@nhmooytis7058 " Freedom is just another word for nuthin left to Lose" Janis Joplin, Me And Bobby McGee
@@zoey9764 Janis sang it but Kris Kristofferson wrote it!
Skyguide definitely is to blame on this. Poor dad. What's heart breaking is that the company refused to even apologize. RIP to the family.
He is NOT a "poor dad". He is a murderer!
Those stupid Swiss maintenance workers shouldn't have interfered with Peter's responsibility to maintain proper communication with the pilots. They're as guilty as Skyguide themselves!
Poor dad?? Poor killer, you mean.
His actions were not evil. It was a sign of botched vigilantism against Skyguide. The execs were the real villains as they refused to take responsibility. Nielsen was the wrong guy.
@@appleturnover519 He did absolutely nothing wrong disposing of that garbage
Seems to me the most culpable person here was the "unnamed colleague" who was asleep and left Peter to sort out a mess with half his systems down.
I know how this Poor Man feels, My Husband was murdered almost 6yrs ago and we'd been together since I was 14, I was 51 when he was taken from me. Rest in peace My Love 💓
You don't look 57 on this pic tho
My condolence, rest indeed.
Oh, shame on me, forgot to tell you my biggest condolences!
OMG I’m so sorry ❤️
@@Uros_06_ Thank you, that was very kind of you to say!! Our Eldest Child is 40, we started young
Wow, that is such a case of "everything that could go wrong did go wrong". What an absolute mess. Skyguide killed not only Vitaly's family, the other passengers and aircraft staff, but also Peter.
Reminds me of titanic
Well that didn't really kill Peter but okay.
@@adventuregames424 One man lost his family then murdered a man in front of his family, and most here sympathize with the murderer. They care more about the coward Vitali who is a grown man than they do about Peters children, who're just kids and had to witness their father being viciously murdered. These commentators have no morals.
PS this channel is absolute sheiit....total click bait with a title like ""The Father Who Killed His Family's Murderer". A better title would be "A murderous father kills man in front of his children"
They killed everyone. Corporate greed at its worst
@@simrdownmon6431 exactly. The amount of people backing the lunatics actions is baffling to me. He should have spent the rest of his life in prison and he was instead treated like he did some heroic thing.
This story is so sad. The husband lost his family and a family lost its husband. It was Skyguide's fault. But definitely not the fault of the lone airtraffic controller.
What makes this extremely tragic is that both Vitali's family and Peter's family were victims of skyguide running from accountability. If skyguide had sufficient staff on board and the secondary air controller was doing his job the planes wouldn't have collided. If skyguide hadn't covered up their error Vitali would not have held Peter accountable for the situation or go through so much trouble to find him. A Father left without his family and another family left without their Father. I feel especially for peter and his family since more than a few of us know what it's like to work for an irresponsible company who consistently overload their employees with work and responsibility past guidlines. The guy did his best on his own when everything went wrong because of the company and his coworker's negligence. Then he got k*lled when the company did no one knows what to keep him silent by a man who had lost access to all logic and reason because of his grief. All this could have been avoided if they had told the truth!
R.I.P to Peter Nielson, Vitali's family and my heart goes out to all the victims of this tragic event.
Of all the jobs in the world to not take off and take a long nap,I would think air traffic controller is one.
How about that Peter never throwing the co worker who caused this under the proverbial bus.
Nielsen participated in unsafe behaviour. He didn't say to his co worker to do his job, he didn't notify anyone about him doing the job for two people, he kept silence for a year without coming clean and telling people what really happened. He was a part of that company and he acted irresponsibly as well.
@@BillMorganChannelIt was his supervisor, he was in a tough spot. Blame the organization for letting leniency kick in.
@@CrystaliaVt was his boss, he would be screwed. He was doing 2 people's jobs to keep himself and others alive and not in the hands of nobody because his boss is sleeping. He seems like the victim here.
exactly.... two families ruined for irresponsible greed
This poor, poor man! He suffered the hardship and loneliness to provide for his family, and was eagerly waiting for them to join him for a lovingly-organised holiday, a well-deserved one for all, yet everything shattered that night. He wasn't even being informed properly of what happened. Just a random reporter broke the news to him, just like that. How can anyone get over this pain? Nothing can make this right, but a proper acknowledgement of what he had gone through from the guilty party would have helped a little bit.
the "poor" man is a murderer
@@andyisdead Mmm, I agree with both you and DKM..... That he was driven to his actions by a company that failed everyone, including the murdered man.
I am shocked that such negligence could be tolerated by such an esteemed European state and tolerated by neigbouring states is a real eyeopener.
I agree though that Peter Neilsen could have tried to defuse the situation.....he must have known that such an encounter was inevitable eventually.
Why on earth did he collude with his co-operator to "take a long break".... Maybe because he had had the same "favour" the night before?
On a night when maintenance were limiting communications? Will we ever know? Just so sad for all concerned.
@@andyisdead his actions were justified until further info came out, but in most people's minds at the state of the killing it was justified, they only knew he was the one that was working when it happened and they knew it had something to do with the atc but to what extent they didn't
Family is a burden. He should have enjoyed his freedom.
You actually believe that report. Lol shutting down communications lines while planes are in the air, and 1 man controlling all the flights ffs
The entire story was so compelling and heartbreaking, The family's tombstone is testimony to the grief and sorrow Vitali suffered. An amazing story, although very sad!
Nice virtue signaling for likes, well done....V
Hes a muslim. They know no sentimental feelings for women. They are only bree ding cattle for them. It was about his pride and his family honour
@@karlscher5170 You have NO proof of that STOP spreading LIES.
Such a heartbreaking story.
All these poor people..adults and children whose precious lives were lost..from what really amounts to a mix of horrendous circumstances.
R.I.P to all those that lost their lives..and peace and healing to all their friends and family.
This is a hard watch. The Dad kept pics of mame bodies of his kids as a reminder of the inevitable vengeance he would commit. I teared up so much for the dad. I don't know what to think about him. He was left completely broken.
I'm sorry, but his whole demeanor tells me he's kind of a psycho himself. Just because he had a family and loved them to bits doesn't exclude the possibility of him being a psycopath. For instance, you have the case of Richard "The Iceman" Kuklinski. He would brutally kill hundreds of people at night-time but during day-time he would be the most loving father and husband (nobody ever imagined he would be a ruthless hitman since he seemed to be such a nice person).
@@georgezee5173 by that logic the Dane is also a psycho. Loving father but also chose to be negligent and allowed dozens of kids to die in a plane collision
@@dod-iw6hj So you're comparing a negligent person that provoked an accident to someone who planned a murder for months and kepts pictures of dead bodies with himself. OK mate
as a pilot, this is pretty crazy to hear about. i dont fly planes nearly this large but spotting other aircraft is much harder than you might think, ive definitely had a couple close calls myself. fun fact: most midair accidents occur on nice sunny days with no clouds
I wish you the best in your job 👍
Is that because pilots are less vigilant on sunny days, or because the data is skewed since planes can’t go out in all weather
"fun" fact :/
@@Creepystalker102 for many of these pilots (airline pilots) bad weather isn't an issue since they and their aircraft are rated to fly in such weather, and in such cases ATC is extra vigilant about traffic avoidance, but on nice sunny days you're just right, pilots are less vigilant and oftentimes when something is flying towards you you have no idea until maybe 15 seconds before it happens. hard to spot a little dot on a bright background
@@artisthusnatalal3099 why thank you!
My heart breaks for the victims and their families. There were a lot of things that should have happened, but didn't. The way that company dismissed those grieving only escalated the situation. I'm SHOCKED that they arrested him years later right as he was about to attend the memorial held years after he was released. It's beyond disgusting.
Disgusting? He killed an innocent man. The pilot was at fault. Vitaly was just a pussy.
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I'm starting to really hate this A-holes videos. With a click bait title like "The Father Who Killed His Family's Murderer", I was excited to watch. But it turned out the man this father murdered was not in fact a murderer but instead an over worked, perhaps under qualified employee who made a horrible mistake.
How all of you are backing this father is mind boggling to me. I remember when this story came out, I was disgusted by this father and felt no pity for him, only his family. Now I'm disgusted by all of you too. What has this world come to.
Down voted for the Click Bait and will never watch another one of Twisted Minds videos because of his inability to critically think.
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@@lilskrepi P?
At first I was sitting here thinking very few things justified murder, but the absolute Hell that this man went through, I honestly couldn’t tell you that I wouldn’t do the same. If SkyGuide would’ve at least apologized for the accident and the deaths, this probably wound not have happened.
As a German, I remember this catastrophe well, and I am surprised how much the events as I had memorized them, differ from this report. I remember that the press reported the Swiss controller could not be reached because he was on the phone in a private conversation.
Nothing about the phone system maintenance shutdown, nothing about the colleague who went for a sleep.
Und doch feiern die ganzen primitiven hier den moslem als Helden, der seine familienehre durch mord wiederherstellt. Abschaum
Strange. Never heard about what you write here. I followed the whole case here in Switzerland from day one and I am surprised how every detail in this video corresponds to the results of the investigation published at the time. In my opinion, the Management of Skyguide should have been sentenced much more severe. They tolerated that sometimes a Skycontoller took a break during nightshift which was absolutely illegal. This combined with the maintance on the phone and other systems let to the overwhelming of the Skycontroller with two simple tasks if managed by two Skycontrollers. The arrogance of the management also contributed to the anger of Vitaly. Skygiude has shown in other cases of near collisions and miscommunications a lack of professionalism years ago. I've never heard anything negative in recent years and I hope that they have managed to lift their standarts.
I think all that man was seeking was someone to say, "I am sorry, truly sorry, please forgive me". Had that man said it, and then tried to reason the issues with him on that fateful day, it would have been a completely different story.
The issue with most people is, they cant find themselves in another person's shoes.
@@abeyabraham4738 I also think that that would have made a difference and I don't undestand how the management could behave like this towards a man who lost his family.
I would blame that on crony capitalism. Had that company apologised, it would mean instant losses, job cuts and probably even a shut down of operations. Imagine all that equipment and software being rendered useless, and their contracts voided, in just one apology. Millions of dollars in investment, probably from private and public enterprises, down the drain. The management would have wieghed the options and would have been pressured not to offer public apologies at that time. So money is the root of all evil here, just as how Jesus said it.
Well the plain russian dont understand capitalism like the west. I have worked with them and I can tell you this, they will die for you. They come off as rude and brut, but they are mostly good honest hard working people. Yes, some do have a bit of a drinking problem :).
Turning to the story, may God bless all of them, and I hope he finds peace with his Maker and meets his family and those 45 children again in his next life.
Somehow, his story reminds me of Job from the bible, where Job was blessed again in his later years after the period of tribulation. I view this whole story as a spiritual subject, where events spiralled out of human hands, and the only human intervention possible was forgiveness, love and compassion. Had that been exhibited from either parties, this would have been completely different and an even greater story.
However, as the bible says, God will make all bad things good, he became a national hero and a person of great importance in his society both in his profession and community. He got all the promises mentioned in the bible. I believe he had strong Christian faith, and his wife too (the part where she prayed for a daughter and finally got one after 7 years), so God gave him exactly what was promised to a believer. So in short, i would say, If money stops anyone from doing the right thing as per his or her concience, they should remind themselves the verse: money is the root of all evil.
Oh wow I can’t even imagine losing my family like that. It would destroy me.
Y'all feel sorry for the old coward who lost his family but not the kids that witnessed their father being murdered. Disgusting.
I'm starting to really hate this A-holes videos. With a click bait title like "The Father Who Killed His Family's Murderer", I was excited to watch. But it turned out the man this father murdered was not in fact a murderer but instead an over worked, perhaps under qualified employee who made a horrible mistake.
If Peter was a loved one of mine, Vitali would be a dead mofo. How all of you are backing this father is mind boggling to me. I remember when this story came out, I was disgusted by this father and felt no pity for him, only his family. Now I'm disgusted by all of you too. What has this world come to.
Down voted for the Click Bait and will never watch another one of Twisted Minds videos because of his inability to critically think.
Yeah. I can't imagine being a child and seeing my Father brutally murdered either.
Intentional short-staffing, poorly scheduled maintenance, sounds like most jobs I’ve worked at. The difference is, when something goes wrong with air traffic control, PLANES CRASH INTO EACH OTHER. Sounds like SkyGuide was at fault, not the one guy who got dumped on.
Having said that, Vitali is a murderer. He should either be in a psychiatric facility or prison for the rest of his life. He hunted down and killed an innocent man who actually, in the face of adversity from his employer’s and co-worker’s bullshit, tried to resolve the situation and save the people on the planes, including Vitaly’s family. The fact that he only served 4 years and then got showered with honors and praise when he got out is a travesty of justice comparable to the SkyGuide officials getting off with a slap on the wrist.
Give the guy a little break... He lost his family in a split second
@@robogreek3157 you tell that to the face of Peter's family
@@robogreek3157 nahh dismissing a whole murder talking bout "give that man a break" is crazy 💀💀
I absolutely agree. He should have NEVER gotten the kind of praise he recieved. I mean he killed a guy and suffered severe loss, but why in the world does that make him an honor citizen. and i wouldn't even be that mad at the situation if he didn't say this vile shit that was cited in the end of the video. Horrifying.
Hell, I'd apologize to the man even if I had nothing to do with the incident.
My Grandfather was an air traffic controller. He said you haven't finished giving instructions to an air craft until you have confirmed they have actually complied. You never assume they have, that's how people die.
Just because he can play chess doesn't mean he is mentally fit to stand trial. It just means he is really fucking good at chess and he *was* so that is stupid of them to use that against him. 😖
I thought that as well when it was mentioned.
Why no mention of the children who witnessed their father being murdered by the coward Vitali?
I'm starting to really hate this A-holes videos. With a click bait title like "The Father Who Killed His Family's Murderer", I was excited to watch. But it turned out the man this cowardly father murdered was not in fact a murderer but instead an over worked, perhaps under qualified employee who made a horrible mistake.
If Peter was a loved one of mine, Vitali would be a dead mofo. How all of you are backing this father is mind boggling to me. I remember when this story came out, I was disgusted by this father and felt no pity for him, only his family. Now I'm disgusted by all of you too. What has this world come to.
Down voted for the Click Bait and will never watch another one of Twisted Minds videos because of his inability to critically think.
They wanted him to stand trial no matter what. Obviously the poor man wasn't in his right mind. Than they wanted him to pay them back for incarcerating him?!!!!
I do feel he was in the wrong, he killed another person who I feel wasn't 100% guilty, but THAT....😡
Right that’s what I was thinking 🤔
Y'all are tripping .. peter was guilty .. all of that sky business was guilty.... This guy is a true hero .....
As a father of two small children...I little girl and boy...as a husband...this made me bawl like a wounded animal. I have a thick skin and have never shed tears like this watching a TH-cam video. My empathy for this man and ALL of the victims and living family members of those children absolutely broke me. Life is SO precious. Listen to your children every day no matter what they have to say, if u dont have children do the same for your loved ones and friends. Love those who love you. Whatever happened in the broken pieces of this man's heart is not for anyone to judge. I pray to every God I can think of that none of us are EVER forced into his position.
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This story is so tragic. It reminds me of the same tragedy that happened when
Boeing certified an unsafe aircraft that took the lives of hundreds none of them went to prison.
Thank you, Sir and respect to you for your very moving comment.
I did too, god bless you, thanks for sharing.
Absolutely Matthew. Absolutely.
Life is precious? Yet you understood what he did? Seems Peter Neilsen's life and his family aren't precious? Try telling his wife and children.
He was a dangerous sociopath out of control.
This is a fear of mine, to have a beautiful family and be so blessed and then one day have it all taken away. I sympathise with his grief, I would have probably done the same.
Dont let that fear rule you. Go and have a family and allow God to do the needful protection.
There are worser things than death. As an example, a divorce is far worse, when you never get to see your loved ones anymore, or when your loved ones are sick. Death is only a begining. He will meet his family and those 45 children again if he finds forgiveness from God. Thats a
that's how life works
Exact same thoughts. I would have too. How do you live and start over after all of it? When you quite literally had it all.
@@babysherl493 yes, how do you rebuild and go one when you had it all??
@@babysherl493 and @Ash Leigh,
Let me give you an example. My son was building something on lego. Each time he completed it, it broke, and he continued to remake it with improvements everytime it broke till he finally made the unbreakable model that he intended. What happened to that russian guy is unfortunate but we have to wake up and start all over again with full trust in the all mighty.
LESSON: Learn to apologise and say sorry sincerely if you are at fault.
Some people are hard to do this because of their selfish egos.
An apology is much more complicated than you think. If a company faces possible lawsuits that could cost their executives jail sentences or a hefty settlement, then they are not going to apologize easily. An apology could be used as an admission of guilt.
@@integratedhatespreader so much for that controller
@@integratedhatespreader You don't always need to accept guilt or accountability to say sorry. You can say sorry in many different ways. Personally If i lost my entire family and i see everyone saying a particular person is responsible, and that person doesn't apologize nor show any empathy and seems to be living their life normally, i would lose my mind too.
It wasn't Peter's fault, at all. But i also sympathize with Vitaly. He wasn't in a right frame of mind and i blame the media for instigating that. I also blame Peter's company or management and his co-workers. Many things went wrong that night which let to this unfortunate incident. If everything had been revealed, if only they had made people realise that no one was at fault, that it was just an unfortunate incident, things would have been a lot different. But no, people, especially the media had to look for a bad guy and poor Peter became the scapegoat. May he RIP. And may everyone involved also be at peace.
LESSON : Dont Murder a man thats not Guilty of this Disaster.
And the Controller was in deep pain for what happens.
The Media is Guilty off making him the scapegoat
*« LESSON: Learn to apologise and say sorry sincerely if you are at fault.»* Especially if a crazy foreigner is threatening you with a knife...
I am in tears. The deep ,deep agony of a father.
Hes a muslim. They don't have sentimental feelings towards women
@@karlscher5170are you serious right now how do you know that? Unless you Muslim yourself or know someone that is you don’t have no right to spread lies shame on you
@@karlscher5170 Lol what? You seem to have horrible knowledge about Islam
@@kanalmimi "Lol what?" Spoken like a true scholar. For islam women are mere breed ing cattle. Prophet muhammed had a dozen of them ,se x sla ves and ra ped a 9 year old child.
@@eveelee4152 only muslims are allowed to speak about islam? How convenient.
Man this one made me cry. I don't even have kids and I'm not married, but I can't even imagine that kind of heartbreaking loss. I remember this crash too since I'm an aviation buff. So horrible.
Well good for you partner. No wife or kids? I'd say you are well off compared to your peers. Wrap it up. Make sure she is on birth controle. Dont let any woman move into your house/apartment. Don't pay for some woman's kids. Don't ever get married. Be fully aware that you are the prize for these women. Your present and future resources and money are the prize for these women.Your pension when you retire is the prize for these women. They want to have a free ride in life and do not want to have to work for it. Please remember. YOU ARE THE PRIZE. Make no mistake. There is a target on you and they will try to take advantage of you. Tread carefully. Good luck.
I'm an aviation nerf
@@poopy69 lmao
What about the kids that had to witness their own father being murdered by the coward VItali? You mention nothing of them.
I'm starting to really hate this A-holes videos. With a click bait title like "The Father Who Killed His Family's Murderer", I was excited to watch. But it turned out the man this father murdered was not in fact a murderer but instead an over worked, perhaps under qualified employee who made a horrible mistake.
If Peter was a loved one of mine, Vitali would be a dead mofo. How all of you are backing this father is mind boggling to me. I remember when this story came out, I was disgusted by this father and felt no pity for him, only his family. Now I'm disgusted by all of you too. What has this world come to.
Down voted for the Click Bait and will never watch another one of Twisted Minds videos because of his inability to critically think.
i wanna have kids in the future and and i just cant imagine being him
Never underestimate the love of a father.
I find beauty in this sad tale. The passionate father that loved family more than anything? I wish I had a father that cared that deeply.
@@tinabarrette963 way to make this about you bruh
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@@Tenchi707 I think it's reasonable to feel that way, it's a sad dad world
@@Tenchi707 this is exactly why Tina B feels this way ppl like you your a weird one. Anyone who's father wasn't present can relate. It's obvious your Pops was not around bc it's clear you weren't raised with anything that a man (father) teaches his children you are clueless ASL and have 0 comprehension skills. It's Tina B comment she can feel however she wants.
I can understand WHY he did what he did. When my 9 yr old niece was killed by a driver falling asleep at the wheel almost 2 years ago I wanted him to hurt. I wanted him to understand the pain he put my family through. I didn't want him dead, and seeing him in court I could see just how much this accident affected him. He apologized and said if he could take it back he would. THAT is what Peter should've done. Vitaliy was wrong to murder someone, but I understand his mental state after such a loss.
You DON'T KNOW what Peter did or did not. You have no clue of what happened. You're basing your opinion solely on a murederer's account, a person who spent months and thousands of dollars in planning this killing. He went to Peter's house with a knife for a reason. Maybe Peter actually apologised to him, but at that point his fate was already sealed by this person that was clearly out of his mind.
@@georgezee5173on that case the converse can be true to.
All they had to do was say they were sorry. To be caring and compassionate. I don't blame him. They drove him mad.
This one killed me. How that guy didn't kill himself from grief is beyond me. How in the world did they ask him to pay for his incarceration????? This whole story is so complex. That other guy who took the nap... He HAS to be tormented. Im gonna take a leave of absence after this one. It was too much. Great job though.
I'm starting to really hate this A-holes videos. With a click bait title like "The Father Who Killed His Family's Murderer", I was excited to watch. But it turned out the man this father murdered was not in fact a murderer but instead an over worked, perhaps under qualified employee who made a horrible mistake.
How all of you are backing this father is mind boggling to me. I remember when this story came out, I was disgusted by this father and felt no pity for him, only his family. Now I'm disgusted by all of you too. What has this world come to.
Down voted for the Click Bait and will never watch another one of Twisted Minds videos because of his inability to critically think.
Lol leave of absence? You must be European lol
@@emp9413 can’t you take that in the US?
@@susanagarcia9646 and in Canada.
@@jadems01 oh really? I was not aware of that. Thank you!
Man. As a father myself, this was so painful to watch
make me wonder if the ..wife.. or .. son... of peter neilson ..wants to end the life of vitaly kaleyov?
@@vortexart5587 I doubt it they're probably more pissed at sky guide they made it seem like it was his fault from jump instead of just apologizing I don't blame Vitaliy he was literally traumatized and went through temporary insanity then after the truth finally came out the people responsible still didn't get punish I think Vitaliy actions is what exposed everything then sky guide apologized years after the fact way too late to save their air controller a simple apology would've changed the outcome but no they were protecting themselves from being sued so put the blame on Peter in such a devious way and had Peter had some empathy maybe he'd be alive too he was an asshole.
Love what you did with the CC; it's fantastic
Your presentation of story made me wailing. Very carefully told so well made video.
This story is haunting. A tragedy. I understand his actions, though, his anger was taken out on the wrong person. There were many to blame. This story will stay with me, forever
Amen brother
*@NaniNoLovYou.* I feel the same. It is extremely tragic.
Ballad of Vitaly - Song by American rock band Delta Spirit
In the German sky there once was a plane
It carried 71 children and their mothers to Spain
Well, this plane was sure somethin'
It was full of young Russians
Proudly to gander at topics discussin'
Now Pete the Swiss was doublin' shifts
Jugglin' the iron controlled by his lips
Not a minute too soon children fell to their doom
Struck dead in the air, orphan a father or two
He just laid in the alley
Now orphan Vitaly met a young girl, married her quickly
Was so damn in love that they had their two kids
Had a great job, construction in Spain
They were goin' to see Papa from Caucasus mountain range
Now that damn Swissman crashed them into a plane
I will find where he lives, speak to his face
With the blood in my eyes, he will see my pain
Many weeks passed, for fear of a suit
The airline said nothin', Vitaly turned blue
For the killin' they done, no apology made
Is it 'cause we are Russian you treat us this way?
Through a friend that he new Vitaly found Pete
He came to his doorstep expectin' to speak
But Pete blew him off, threw down the pictures Vi brought
Pictures of the three most important he lost
As the pictures fell down
Re-enacting the day
Vitaly's eye blackened
No human remained
Well, so much can be said
For a man in his shoes
There's no glamour in vengeance
There's only this rule
That the lives that you lost
Can never come back
And the deed in return
Is worse than the act
Blinded by love and the pain of his loss
He could not remember the act of assault
He awoke in his room all covered in blood
The cops they'd come knockin', they knew what he'd done
The government leaned
Vitaly was free
They called him the hero, a man above kings
A shadow of man, they were praising his deed
He was alone, killed a father of three
No deed that he did could make him complete
It could have been different if only Pete said
I'm sorry for killin' the few joys you had
But now there's nothin' for Vitaly to do
But step off a cliff or hang in the noose
Robbed of forgiveness that he could've gave
There's no man left to save
It's horrible, and a sad ending from every perspective
tossing his children pictures on the ground and saying he doesnt give a flying F about what happened to him, makes this careless classic westerner a good target for a vengeance. Vitaly did right thing
This one was tough. Peter and Vitali were both victims. It’s a shame that Vitali misplaced grief caused the story to be even more tragic.
The PI should've also been held responsible.For not getting the name of the guy sleeping.
The fact that peter practically spit in Vitali’s face was enough for me
If what Vitali said was true. Peter should’ve been sympathetic and explained the situation to Vitali. Not smacking the photos to the ground. I feel really bad for Peters family.
@@donseavey3704 And who was only one to witness this? Vitali. Wouldn't be the first time a killer or Vitali himself lied.
@@goldman77700 yes, a planned killing without any camera evidence will be easily crafted by the killer so it looks justified. but nothing you can expect from a man desperate for vengeance for his family.
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im still curious how the man resposible for supervising the night in the company still not getting charged heavily for only deploying a single person on the night shift
Man this really teared me up. I can only imagine the pain losing the person you love and your kids 😢😢😢
this entire case is why vigilante justice is illegal.
God, this case is so heartbreaking, I can't even begin to imagine how this has affected him and the other victims.
Rip to his family, rip to Peter and those affected by this disaster.
Jesus Christ is the truth reach out
@@ElegyVio the only truth
Fk Peter. Got exaclty what he deserved. However Vitali should of just went for his family and kept Peter alive
@@ElegyVio Seek the Truth and the truth shall set you free.. Islam is God's Truth, His Words, the Qur'an is God's Truth, read it and attain felicity and peace here and Hereafter.. :)
@@ElegyVio jesus has nothing to do with this
The wrong man died. The one who took a nap and the company were to blame entirely, not Peter. The one who took a nap should have been arrested for involuntary manslaughter of everyone on those 2 planes and of Peter since his actions directly caused Peter's death.
The nap was company policy. Controllers were allowed to take “long breaks.” The scheduled maintenance was company policy also. The company’s policies and procedures killed the passengers on both flights.
That's exactly what I believe!
@@minini5571 both the company and the napper! The guy who took the nap should have known the weight of responsibility he placed on peter. You dont go to work to sleep.
@@heels-villeshoerepairs8613 This case is directly personal to my family and comments like these are really ignorant because you don’t have a clue. They are allowed to nap, the company were obliged to have had enough staff on shift. I feel awful for the family of the air traffic controller who probably still have to hear people try and place the blame on him. In reality, the whole thing was a bizarre butterfly effect of errors from several parties-it is pointless to try and blame someone all these years later.
Agreed.
I'm starting to really hate this A-holes videos. With a click bait title like "The Father Who Killed His Family's Murderer", I was excited to watch. But it turned out the man this father murdered was not in fact a murderer but instead an over worked, perhaps under qualified employee who made a horrible mistake.
If Peter was a loved one of mine, Vitali would be a dead mofo. How all of you are backing this father is mind boggling to me. I remember when this story came out, I was disgusted by this father and felt no pity for him, only his family. Now I'm disgusted by all of you too. What has this world come to.
Down voted for the Click Bait and will never watch another one of Twisted Minds videos because of his inability to critically think.
That poor man. Absolutely heartbreaking.
Hes a muslim. He was only angry that someone destroyed his 'property'.
@@karlscher5170 they were Christian. Nice try with your Islamophobia.
@@MB-nb7yq islamophobua is a bs word invented by islamists
@@MB-nb7yq How do you know? Online it says they were from a muslim region. I don't know myself, just trying to find out.
Vitaly should have located the sleepy ATC as he totally neglected his duties. The sleepy ATC is the one to blame.
What an incredible, complicated and truly heartbreaking story. As far as I’m concerned, the unnamed air traffic controller that took the long nap thereby vacating his post, as as well as Sky Guide, were 100% culpable for the disaster. As a husband and father, its not hard to imagine the depth of grief Vitali experienced as a result of his tremendous loss. Had Sky Guide accepted responsibility and not protected the unnamed air traffic controller, perhaps the outcome would have been different. I am not a violent person. Nor do I believe in taking someone’s life, but knowing how much my family means to me, and if no one was accepting responsibility or offered an apology, I think I would take the same desperate and drastic action to uphold my commitment to family as Vitali. To all those who lost their life due to human negligence, I hope you are resting in peace. 🙏
I'm starting to really hate this A-holes videos. With a click bait title like "The Father Who Killed His Family's Murderer", I was excited to watch. But it turned out the man this father murdered was not in fact a murderer but instead an over worked, perhaps under qualified employee who made a horrible mistake.
If Peter was a loved one of mine, Vitali would be a dead mofo. How all of you are backing this father is mind boggling to me. I remember when this story came out, I was disgusted by this father and felt no pity for him, only his family. Now I'm disgusted by all of you too. What has this world come to.
Down voted for the Click Bait and will never watch another one of Twisted Minds videos because of his inability to critically think.
@@CarlosReyes-ye5ks troll
@@MiThreeSunz 😄haha
@@CarlosReyes-ye5ks laughing troll 🤣
Beautifully said.
Why couldn't they just take responsibility & apologize sooner? 😞 This was so unnecessary it could have all gone differently.
Because doing so would have put the spotlight in their practices and would have probably led to a decrease in stock prices.
They most likely told Peter something like "Shut up, do not speak to anybody, go away. Do this and we will keep paying you and not throw you to the wolves"
With him out of the picture they let the court of public opinion judge Peter and take some of the heat off of themselves.
I think Peter did bear some of the responsibility but only in as much as he let his buddy go for a nap. The major culprit is Skyguide in allowing these practices.
Peter's work mate is guilty of a dereliction of duty at the very least and should probably face some prison time imho.
They might have to pay huge fines and suffer consequences if they admitted it was their fault
27:40 "It took u this long?"
What a badass loving father.
First of all, my deepest sympathies and condolences to Vitaly and the other victims families.
SkyGuide is the culprit IMO. Peter should not have been alone that night, especially since there was maintenance going on. Only two controllers is bad enough. You can clearly see the Swiss cheese model lining up (no pun intended!) after watching numerous air crash investigations. I feel so sorry for them.
exactly right...
Exactly. And the computers were on maintenance as well and not working properly, so it was hard for Peter to use that. Leaving him alone, faulty computers, and not learning from past mistakes to train new pilots are all the factors that went into this, and peter got the blame for it and ultimately got murdered. He was very shaken up about the situation too. I feel for vitaly and the victims families but Peter didn't deserve this.
Initially I completely understood Vitaliy but after hearing the whole story, I just feel bad for Peter as well. He tried to do his job with the limited resources given to him. The fact that he was killed infront of his wife and kid is also sad
So is finding your wife and children's mutilated bodies
@@bbcbandit5695 let’s what you would do if you were in a situation of this caliber. With very limited resources and doing it solo it’s almost impossible.
@@bbcbandit5695 according to the guy who went crazy with grief! Duuuhhhh...
@@cheshirecat6518 no according to their actions. He knew they were to blame yet remained silent. Silence is compliance and anyone with any ounce of compassion would give answers or an apology to those who lost their children not just his family but 40+ other children and passengers.
@@suedecris2450 call my colleague back?
42:53 - You didn't mention that the monument, large silver balls connected by a steal cable represents his daughter's broken pearl necklace mentioned in this video. Some of the balls are connected by a steal cable and some lay apart with a hole through them so that it looks like a scattered pearl necklace. They also planted 71 birch trees, one for each victim at the site.
It's quite a powerful monument to his child that will be there for many decades to come.
I didn’t know that but wondered what that was so that you for clarifying that.
I was wondering about that...
I thought ball and chain.
It would be nice to think it represented the girl. What represented the other 46 kids?
@@timwhite4885 dont forget who clarified this for you. The shows presenter would be a better clarification . Yet the clarification surely would be public records on this monument. Clarifications then surely would be a certain FACT.... yes?
Thank you so much for the information
That poor poor father. The responsible company was SICKENING. Guess Peter should have apologized. Horrible, for everyone.
All together, this is a very sad story. Perfectly narrated, thank you.
This was brilliant coverage of this story.
My heart was broken for that man. His grief was tangible. That poor poor man.
Why no mention of the children who witnessed their father being murdered by the coward Vitali?
I'm starting to really hate this A-holes videos. With a click bait title like "The Father Who Killed His Family's Murderer", I was excited to watch. But it turned out the man this father murdered was not in fact a murderer but instead an over worked, perhaps under qualified employee who made a horrible mistake.
If Peter was a loved one of mine, Vitali would be a dead mofo. How all of you are backing this father is mind boggling to me. I remember when this story came out, I was disgusted by this father and felt no pity for him, only his family. Now I'm disgusted by all of you too. What has this world come to.
Down voted for the Click Bait and will never watch another one of Twisted Minds videos because of his inability to critically think.
When the company offered to pay the compensation money, it wasn't only an insult to Vitaly, it was an insult to me as well... as someone who lost a family member from a car crash and didnt receive any apology for the loss, I could empathize this man. This breaks my heart💔
I'm so sorry for your loss.... 🙏🙏
When tact and class is absent from someone psyche (even when they're in "professional mode") expect any and everything foul. Most folk will go through the regular run of the mill motions, until their motions are met with what's unexpected. Most will rather blow smoke, and deceive, only to insult those that they do not know. Being that they're use to expecting what they would rather or maybe what they're use to.
@@junglekutz5625 You ain't lying!!!; I agree ... Humanity and compassion is a lost emotion....
It's not an insult. It's an act of condolence.
Hope you are healing. Agree with you.
Hey man this is the best video and murder stories that really make sense that you made. Great job. We can learn a lot from what happened. 👍
While I can understand the motivation of the father: I is a terrible thing calling the man in charge a "murderer". He was a human being, left alone with an overwhelming task with lousy equipment and being left to do a two man job. Peter was a family man as well and I am very sure he suffered very much after the accident. And there is absolutely nothing "heroic" about this murder.
This was one of the most sad air crash investigations I ever watched. One can't even begin to comprehend the terror, fear and shock those on the plane felt specially the children
I think it was sudden. The pilots themselves didn't see the other plane coming till too late
I don't believe most of them had much time to think about it.
It was darker than usual because there wasn’t any moonlight due to the clouds ☁️. They wouldn’t have seen each other. It happened so suddenly I doubt any of the victims knew what was happening. They would all have perished instantly…thankfully. Very 😢. May they all Rest In Peace 💔❤️
I'm living very close to Überlingen and the Swiss border and while I was barely 3 years old when that plane crash happened, I remember the years after when German and Swiss authorities tried to figure out what happened. You could hear about this almost daily in regional media. As I'm living closeby, I even often drove past the accident site.
When I was older and decided to take a full look onto the story (as I was too young to fully comprehend it back then), I honestly was close to crying. This entire story is truely heartwrenching - from the deaths on the planes to the murder of Peter. RIP to all of them.
It's bad enough to lose one person, but what makes it worse is losing your entire family in one night. That must have been hell for Vitaly
Dude literally got merc'd cause his coworker was LITERALLY sleeping on the job.
My soul aches for this man's loss. I couldn't imagine losing my children and partner in one fell swoop. I would have lost my mind too. It's natural to want someone to blame and going after them gives purpose to a man with no other reason to live.
It's hard for me to fault the man at all. I don't have children and the family member I'm closest too is my mom. I value her deeply and might lose my mind if someone killed her.
He was clearly emotionally destroyed and there should have been some checks and balances to ensure he got help. I don't think it was the victims fault either.
Edit: oof. I'm not an emotional person but this made me cry.
Why would it be the victims fault?! What are u talking about? What victims are u talking about?
@Jane Smith well no shit he purposely killed someone
He still took the life of another person. He's just as vile and disgusting as the employee who went to sleep and the managers of skylines. He is not a hero. Doesn't matter if someone kills your family, that doesn't give you the right to take the law into your own hands and murder someone. I worry about people like you that think it's okay for Vitaly to murder someone just bc some tragic event happened. Life doesn't work like that. You don't get to kill people and not get punished. In my opinion he should be rotting in jail till the day he dies.
he was a killer
Ty. I’ve never heard of this sad tragic accident but to lose one is tragedy but to lose your whole family Swipe is every parents nightmare. He lives with these nightmares & want justice of their ill responsibility.
Listening to the details of how he lost his family pulled at my heart strings hard. I can't even begin to imagine the mental hell this man went through during that time.
I heard Peter's story. I will admit. Both Peter and the father were victims. The father lost his family while Peter was blamed for everything, when it wasn't his fault.
Vitali should have gone after Rossier.
It was absolutely his fault. He may not have been alone to blame, but his irresponsible decisions led to so many deaths. He was incredibly unprofessional and incompetent. That's not a job you can take so lightly. He never should have been working alone, but he allowed that to happen.
@@jackashe3971 to Peter or what the other guy said?
@@williambush3494 Peter. He had a responsibility to say "NO" if his coworker wanted to sleep on the job. I would never let that happen knowing how many lives are at stake with that job. It's not a job you can take so lightly. He didn't just make one mistake, but a series of bad judgement calls, due to not taking it seriously. He should know what could happen more than most. What he did was unconcionable. Though, that ceo was a piece of human garbage, too.
yeah
I was so upset to hear the full detail of Peter and his solo night with his sleeping co-worker & a dead phone. I can't count how many times I said "shit". Such tragedy could've been prevented. Horrible timing in that one night. I blame the sleeping co-worker and skyguide.
Peter did all he could. I feel for him
I feel for him too wish he was bit more efficient and soft hearted probably he got frustrated the time was wrong I feel Vitali too he waa a strong hardworking person mourning his family so it's ok for him to react that way
A typical IT guy, good in computers but bad in dealing with people
@@rasesvari What do you mean "react"? Vitali had planned the murder for months. That day he was carrying the murder weapon for a reason. "Reaction"... Yeah, we can totally trust good old Vitali's account on what went down that day. Let's pretend he wasn't obsessed with killing Peter in the first place.
@@georgezee5173 even if he was obesseed it's ok I understand it's ok to be obesseed to kill someone who according to you has taken life of mass and most importantly your Dearest ones
All I can say is wow that is one of your best stories yet with such detail amazing
My heart aches so badly for his pain. I cant even imagine how hard it must be to loose your whole happy family after being so obsessedly and wholeheartedly in love with all of them
Skyguide handled the situation very badly. I cannot blame the guy. He doesn't have a twisted mind, he has a normal mind but Skyguide drove him to the brinks of insanity.
Skyguide is to blame, a simple apology would have changed the outcome.
I agree.
doesn't justify what Vitaliy did to Peter and his family...one was an accident the other was a premeditated conscious choice, big difference...
@@paulreider8321 Peter should have come out and pointed the finger at his companies short comings instead of being part of hiding it from all those innocent families, no doubt he was rewarded well but the 40 pieces of silver never pay off
@@m4rkscott He "should have" but didn't therefore Vitali has permission to murder him? There was an investigation of the crash underway, and following that a full report would be released. Nothing was being hidden from anyone. Peter was an air traffic controller, and one piece of the puzzle. He didn't even know the full truth.
Corporations will hardly ever admit to fault of any violent outcome. They disgustingly believe that, because they have money, they have the right to state their innocence. The mindset of all narcissistic individuals. They believe they are above reproach and above the law. I am honestly amazed that there are not more outcomes like this heartbroken man. I don’t know if I could go as far as he did, but until put in that situation, we will never know.
You did a great job, young man, of narrating this sorrowful story. I’m sure it was quite difficult for you as hard as it was quite difficult for your viewers to watch. Honestly, I’m glad he did what he did as they deserved worse. At the end of their lives, those who are guilty will eventually pay the price for their horrific misdeeds. In the end, no one can avoid justice.
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It was an accident. They admitted guilt when they paid him off.
@@busterbiloxi3833 It was an accident waiting to happen. It was gross negligence and depraved indifference. ATC is a mission critical business. I have worked in telecomm for many years.
There is always redundancy for the reasons provided in this video. It is extremely simple to have separate voice lines bypass the PBX, KSU, and/or VoIP systems (even in 2002). Consequently Peter Nielsen was not as culpable as Skyguide's management.
@@poohbeartube "Non-peak time" did not mean that all means of averting a disaster should have been shut down. Agreed, it was an accident waiting to happen. The problem is there were no real consequences to deter Skyguide's reckless practices.
@@loralieisa I agree. Eventually there were consequences for Skyguide's reckless practices. Further research reveals a September 2007 BBC article titled "Four guilty over Swiss air crash".
A Swiss court has found four employees of an air traffic control firm guilty of manslaughter over the deaths of 71 people in a mid-air collision in 2002.
Three of the four managers convicted were given suspended prison terms and the fourth was ordered to pay a fine.
Another four employees of the Skyguide firm were cleared of any wrongdoing.
Prosecutors had said a "culture of negligence" at the firm contributed to the mid-air collision, which killed mostly Russian children.
The charter aircraft carrying Russian children to a holiday in Spain collided with a cargo plane in Swiss airspace on 1 July 2002. The wreckage came down in Germany.
'Organisational deficiencies'
All eight men on trial had maintained their innocence. Seven had continued working for Skyguide until the time of the verdict.
*The BBC's Imogen Foulkes, in Berne, says it is significant that the four Skyguide employees acquitted were all air traffic controllers - rather than managers.*
*She says this shows the judges backed the prosecution's view that the managers at Skyguide were responsible for introducing negligent, potentially dangerous working practices.*
Two separate investigations have already found what were described as organisational deficiencies within Skyguide. These deficiencies were said to have contributed to the accident.
Controller stabbed
The trial revealed that minutes before the crash a single air traffic controller was in charge of 15 planes: He made 118 radio contacts with them, and he was guiding a plane into land.
Technical repairs were being carried out and some radar systems were not working.
The air traffic controller in question was later stabbed and killed by the father of two of the children who died.
At the time, Skyguide insisted that having just one air traffic controller on duty was normal - but it has since outlawed the practice, and provided financial compensation to some of the bereaved families.
when you mentioned them boarding a plane, i realized you were talking about uberlingen. i knew about the murder but this goes into a lot more detail. nice video!
Everything about this case is absolutely heartbreakingly tragic
My heart weeps for the victims of the crash and Skyguide were disgusting in not accepting responsibility and apologizing. While I don't condemn Vitali's emotions and his need to confront Peter Nielsen, I can't condone murdering him in front of his own family. There were so many factors that came into the crash like the other air traffic controller taking a nap and the maintenance work. Peter bled to death in front of his children so now his children would most likely want that same type of revenge against Vitali.
That what I was thinking. I feel bad for Peter's family, whom the murderer of their loved one only served 3 years in prison, then got to rebuild his life.
@@Jonkin715 vitallis life will never be rebuild tho, they got atleast their other still
@@TankedPk he’s literally already remarried with another family while peter, a completely innocent man, was brutally murdered in front of his family
Yeah- sharing some thoughts. We don't know how truthful was Vitali's description
of Peter's rude indifference. He brought the knife beforehand, so that speaks.
If a stranger showed at your residence, who knows what your state of mind would be, not to regard the stranger as a crackpot?
There is no human being that didn't regret how they treated another
at the wrong time and in the wrong state of mind ( lacking empathy ). Peter, was not privy to the story of how devastated Vitali was, as we were, watching the history of his family.
The solo act at the air traffic controls was on the company's
end regarding responsibility- all the way up the management ladder.
Lastly, how can a company allow for communications to be shut off
when hundreds of lives may depend on it 24 hrs.? A slow air traffic period
is moot, since 2 incidences occurred at the same time. You can't play Russian roulette ( no pun intended ) with the lives of passengers. How can they not implement a back up communications system?
RIP for all lives lost and the surviving loved ones.
I'm starting to really hate this A-holes videos. With a click bait title like "The Father Who Killed His Family's Murderer", I was excited to watch. But it turned out the man this father murdered was not in fact a murderer but instead an over worked, perhaps under qualified employee who made a horrible mistake.
If Peter was a loved one of mine, Vitali would be a dead mofo. How anyone backs this murderous father Vitali is mind boggling to me. I remember when this story came out, I was disgusted by this father and felt no pity for him, only his family. Now I'm disgusted by this YouTUber. What has this world come to.
Down voted for the Click Bait and will never watch another one of Twisted Minds videos because of his inability to critically think.
I can’t imagine this mans pain and grief. I hope he found peace.
The fact that the death of their employee and the death of the families could have been pervented is sad
I can empathize with the father. They would not even apologize, and the the air traffic controller showed the the upmost disrespect....
Never heard this story before.. definitely one of the most heartbreaking things I've ever heard.
I pray that he receives Jesus christ in his heart. He will find peace and he will find purpose in all this he went through.
There’s a movie if you feel like crying
@@shamirquinones8607 wat is the title
Wouldn't say I am on his side, but he could hardly be blamed for this outcome. He was eaten away by his grief caused by a situation where everything that could go wrong, went wrong. He definitely is not a hero, since he killed an innocent man basically. Even if he was an "idiot" he did not deserve to die for being one. A tragedy that should never have happened.
I firmly believe that had Skyguide would've took responsibility, Peter wouldn't have gotten murdered.
@@Jonkin715 True. Then again the tragedy was caused by negligence and companies usually don't accept negligence on their part unless they are already in court.
Why no mention of the children who witnessed their father being murdered by the coward Vitali?
I'm starting to really hate this A-holes videos. With a click bait title like "The Father Who Killed His Family's Murderer", I was excited to watch. But it turned out the man this father murdered was not in fact a murderer but instead an over worked, perhaps under qualified employee who made a horrible mistake.
If Peter was a loved one of mine, Vitali would be a dead mofo. How all of you are backing this father is mind boggling to me. I remember when this story came out, I was disgusted by this father and felt no pity for him, only his family. Now I'm disgusted by all of you too. What has this world come to.
Down voted for the Click Bait and will never watch another one of Twisted Minds videos because of his inability to critically think.
@Fires And Flowers Them apologizing means accepting their fault. Which they didn't want sadly.
I couldn't make it half way through this story just too sad, knowing what was going to happen and thinking about my own Daughter. So sad.
Worth watching, even it happened long time ago. Well reported. Thank you for your effort doing this video documentary.
As someone living in Switzerland I am disgusted how everything in this shitty country is about money. So many lifes lost but Skyguide didnt care cause the didnt want aynthing 2 do with it. Absolute disgrace.
Wow. What a tale. This just shows and proves how corporate greed and arrogance cost the lives of so many people. Shame on Skyguide.
The tomb of Vitali's family is so impressive, and his deep love for them is remarkable. What a man would do for his family. It's incredible.
I do feel bad for Peter and his family. He was simply a hard working man, who was trying to provide for his family.
This story is depressing all around.
The fact that he murdered an innocent man, a father whose children will grow up to see the murderer of their father run free and without punishment is sickening enough.
What makes it even more disturbing is how many people feel empathy for the monster who slaughtered Peter Neilsen - the same people who don't feel any empathy for Peter and his family.
I wonder what they would say, if Peter's children would set out on a similar quest for venegance to kill the murderer of their father. Would it also be justified in their eyes?
In my opinion he is a filty Coward that run away after murder Peter.
Peter should have gone to prison. At least his killer served 3 years.
@@user-me7iw6ft8zwtf are u dumb it was an accident there where only 2 employees at work it was the companies fault he didnt go out and stab anyone and he didnt cause the accident hence why its called and accident...🤦♂️
@@user-me7iw6ft8z you go to prison when you caused an accident on purpose not for mistakes.
"I wonder what they would say, if Peter's children would set out on a similar quest for venegance to kill the murderer of their father. Would it also be justified in their eyes?"
Yes. I sympathize with Vitaly but if Peter Nielsen's kids went out to kill him, I'd understand
Liam Neeson: I will find you, and I will....
Vitaly: Hold my beer.
Give the man a medal, not for the killing but for finding the truth
A medal for killing also
He didn’t find the truth though? The police doing the investigation found out the truth. All he did was conduct his own investigation in which he concluded Peter was to blame. The results of the police investigation would have been released whether or not Vitali had murdered Peter or not. Technically he did the opposite of finding the truth.
Ive listened and have read a lot of disturbing cases involving families but this one hit me the hardest.
I think its because Vitalys actions sound like something both my mother and father would do if they lost my brother and I.
Except my parents most likely would've just chosen violence.
Skyguide is at fault here, they could've just told the families then the media the truth instead of trying to ignore the situation.
Many of us have family who would retaliate like this.
You dont say youre at fault while before investigation is over.
Peter was still responsible in a sense for not reporting his shitty colleague to the authorities. His negligence contributed to those deaths because he was a coward who was too lazy to do the right thing.
Only thing that should have changed is Vitali killing the CEO and other technician instead of Peter.
There was absolutely no justice served in this situation, All off those in charge at that company should have gotten life in prison! I imagine that judge has a pretty fat bank account! The only person who served prison time was the man who lost everything!! I would have done the same thing if was him