Hello Steve, well from an old guy that used to build woodstoves they’ve come along way, but I do still love the simplicity of my central boiler 5648👍🇺🇸
That was some awesome content for folks with boilers!! Perks of this community. You won’t have to split so much wood know. I would say that was money well spent!! Well done Steve!👊🏻
Thanks Todd! I love splitting and burning but I hate all the smoke off the boiler and I"m not a big fan of late night and early morning trips to the boiler in sub zero temps!
Cutting your wood consumption in half after cleaning that baffle was amazing. Installing the boiler commander, we will see how this works for you. Nice job Steve.
Hi there great video. I have a Heat Master MF5000 and must say I'm less than impressed with it. This thing goes through about 35 face cord of wood each season and smokes like crazy. I would be very interested to see the results of the Boiler commander you installed. If it does what you say it's supposed to that would be a great option.
hello sir-i don't run a wood boiler but i would like to...,just a question...shouldn't the woodpile be protected from sparks...thinking maybe some metal on that side of storage shed? dunno..just my two cents
I have a Portage and Main. The way the stoves are designed the smoke has to make an 180 degree turn and then another 90 degree turn before going up the chimney. I've never seen sparks in 5 years. But a few people have also asked me if my wood pile is too close to my boiler.
Have to keep an eye on it for sure but If you tried to light one of those big chunks on fire with a match you'd be hard pressed. Part of what I'm trying to do with these upgrades is turn it into a cool old man with a pipe and less of a fire breathing dragon!
Great video. I like that grate idea. It seems my wood burns more prominently in the back against back wall anyway. Heading over to see what he offers. Thank you.
@@outdoorsinthe608 Find a used one man. I'm sure they are all over market place like they are here. You're very intuitive and resourceful if you needed to make any minor repairs to one prior to firing it up. I wish I could have had one here since I started burning wood over a decade ago... total game changer!!!!!
Watching the fire in a steam locomotive running at 200 psi when wet pine slab wood was thrown on I realised the firebox temperature rapidly dried the wood allowing it to burn hot like dry wood. I had an Orlan gasification boiler for 12 years until we moved . It worked well burning 20lbs/hour of dry hardwood.
hi there interesting ,don't know if it would work on my homemade boiler . and not quite sure what it does , but thanks for showing it . i pit some steel plates similar the heat made them take a whole shape , best to all john
Not a bad price if you get longer burn time. I switched from a hardy stove to a g200. Amazed at how long of burn time I get and how little wood I'm burning. Have jot filled it over halfway yet even on nights in low teens. Dry wood small splits no problem keeping it lit.
Most of the time it is much lower but as I understand it you are trying to get it to burn off the gasses and particulate. Your gasser does that internally so you don't see it.
I can't believe you had to use the tractor to get that baffle out 🤦♂️ i bet the thing started breathing right away after that!!! My gasser, im learning after running it for 7 weeks now, they like to be rubbed the right way, or they can be very very finicky. I actually jammed mine up on a warm day trying to burn 2 wheelbarrow full of Amazon boxes, cause its Christmas and we have ALOT more stuff coming to the house for some reason 😂😂. It was in upper 60s that day, house wasnt pulling much and the fine ash jammed up my air tubes preventing it from pushing fire into the reaction chamber. It ran for almost 3 hours at 17% efficiency burned up almost 12 hours worth of wood in 3 hours too😂 Did a bit of soul searching on the Central boiler Facebook group and figured out my problems. I learned alot from others asking questions with similar issue, and every answer was always air flow related. I digress, 😂 i think your mods are gonna help you tremendously, my water temp is also set at 185, with a 20° differential. You've almost got yours set up like a gasser now with the new charge tube. Im interested is seeing the results throughout the season. Ill quit rambling, 4 cups of coffee in already 🎉 Stay warm brother ✌️
It's a learning curve for sure. I'm 7 years in, some of us learn slower than others! Coffee in the morning and whiskey at night, I think I only make sense around lunch time LOL!
Doesn't the Inkbird pair with your phone only when your phone isn't paired with another WIFI network? If that is the case, your phone will only receive data when paired with the Inkbird. All of these tools you have purchased we use in the electric beer brewing space. By appearances what this does is replace the Heatmaster on-board computer regulating system with a PID based system which has the capacity to learn the dynamics of the application. No doubt the basic system that Heatmaster uses for regulating burn and temp could use improvement. The only thing they require is the yearly sample for warranty.
Interesting. This is basically doing what high end down draft gasifiers do. Modulation I’m sure will help but the whole principle of the combustion design in the conventional chunk wood boiler is wrong and most inefficient way to burn chunk wood. What I think will help any of these style boilers is to add a large water insulated storage tank (in other energy storage systems they would be known as batteries, heat sink, accumulators, etc.) and let boiler fire wide open or at least a lot longer than normal charging storage tank. Hot, long burn fires burn clean and extract more heat out of the wood. Granted these boilers are not designed to burn as clean as if they were designed with refractory but I think it would make a difference.
That's what we're trying to get out of it. I can't believe now that I've used the boiler commander for a few weeks how clean it burns. The inventor Joe Borgerding was talking about a hot water storage tank like you were saying mostly to take the shock off the floor heat. Might look at that next. Thanks for watching!
So basically the box is only recieving the command of call for heat from the fan signal. The PID controller is only reading the stack temp. This would mean the purpose of the controller is to figure out the best process between call for heat from the fan signal and a 700* desired stack temp. If I had to guess from you blurring out the open controller on the bench, I'd say it has an Arduino or Rasperry pi controller inside. Not all of us hillbillys are idiots.
I think thats pretty accurate. You can set the desired stack temp as well. Ideally you can lower the stack temp for longer burn times. I dropped mine to 650 and keep an eye out for build up or color of particulate in the top chamber to see how low I can go.
66 YEAR OLD MAN HERE! IM JUST MARRIED TO STEFFY, IM NOT STEFFY. ok, i kinda see what your doing here. your making your boiler able to be controlled by your phone over wifi! i do NOT understand why the center of the video image had the blur masking on it. it could NOT have been to hide it from the manufacturers as you already showed that main unit. ive been using wood boilers since the early 1990s , starting with a taylor brand. that one had tubes you had to clean out. ill NEVER UNDERSTAND WHY, anyone wants to control their devices with a cell phone! does everyone understand that everything that happens when using a cell phone is not only recorded to be used against you by government 3 letter agencies, but everything you can imagine is being used as "data" to be sold to anyone and everyone willing to pay for that data. that the computer circuitry in these devices WILL GO BAD at some point, or be destroyed or hacked. just give me a good ole manually controlled boiler. even in extreme northern Minnesota and northern Wisconsin, i NEVER had to fill the boiler more than once every 24 hours, even in minus 30 degrees outside temps! ive NEVER had a shortage of wood, and i do NOT split the wood that i do NOT have to! i only split the pieces i can NOT handle easily!! i do cut all my own wood, i do NOT have to buy wood. im originally from Arkansas so im an old hillbilly that was raised cutting and splitting firewood that was our ONLY source of heat home built fireplace, and cook stove in winter. my great grandmother only had a wood cookstove for cooking year round, so i had to split that stuff pretty fine.
Cell phone does not control it as much as monitor it. I can see on my phone if it is up to temp. If it is early in the morning I don't have to run out and fill it. It also tracks how fast it heats back up in a graph. If the graph doesn't look right I can tell that I need to fix something (usually needs cleaned) The contents of the BC was blurred out per it's inventor's request.
I was looking forward to seeing inside the box. Expecting to see a PID controller like on a pellet smoker, but you ruined the video by blurring that whole area out.
So sad. Blurred out per manufactures request. You'll have to find someone else to share your misery with. I will not loose any sleep over your disappointment.
How does this thing work? why do you blurr the images, it makes me suspicious. Show me the guts of the box, I want to see professionalism, otherwise it's just a big empty box. We've all been scammed, You have to prove you aren't just another scammer.
I need to prove nothing to you. I don't make these and I don't sell them so I have nothing to gain either way. The man who makes them asked me to blur it out. I suspect you buy food from the store without accusing them of scamming you if they don't share the recipe. I make videos for people such as yourself to watch for free. I paid for this unit. The money I make off this video won't cover the shipping. If anyone is getting short changed its me.
Hey Steve , nice install . Always like doing business with people that have good customer support . Can’t wait to hear how this works . Have a great week . 👍🏻🪵🪵
Thanks for watching. You can check out Boiler Commander at boilercommander.com/
Hello Steve, well from an old guy that used to build woodstoves they’ve come along way, but I do still love the simplicity of my central boiler 5648👍🇺🇸
Simpler sure sounds good to me! Do you ever think about building stoves again? I'd like to build one.
That was some awesome content for folks with boilers!! Perks of this community. You won’t have to split so much wood know. I would say that was money well spent!! Well done Steve!👊🏻
Thanks Todd! I love splitting and burning but I hate all the smoke off the boiler and I"m not a big fan of late night and early morning trips to the boiler in sub zero temps!
Cutting your wood consumption in half after cleaning that baffle was amazing. Installing the boiler commander, we will see how this works for you. Nice job Steve.
I'm going to have to find something else to do with my time LOL!
Nice work Steve. That boiler is great. Huge improvement for sure!
Thanks 👍
2:28 I bought a Portage and Main unit, 7 years ago, and I feel this sentiment.
Now I see allot of really good education videos on manufactures websites but not when I bought this one!
Now that was very interesting and I can see why you were on the phone with him so much. That’s a lot to learn!!
Who says you can't teach an old dog new tricks!
I don't have a boiler but that was a good video. Thanks for taking the time to make it
Thanks for watching!
Hi there great video. I have a Heat Master MF5000 and must say I'm less than impressed with it. This thing goes through about 35 face cord of wood each season and smokes like crazy. I would be very interested to see the results of the Boiler commander you installed. If it does what you say it's supposed to that would be a great option.
So far so good. Working on a video that explains what it does a little better and my experience so far. Should be out in about 2 weeks.
hello sir-i don't run a wood boiler but i would like to...,just a question...shouldn't the woodpile be protected from sparks...thinking maybe some metal on that side of storage shed? dunno..just my two cents
I have a Portage and Main. The way the stoves are designed the smoke has to make an 180 degree turn and then another 90 degree turn before going up the chimney. I've never seen sparks in 5 years. But a few people have also asked me if my wood pile is too close to my boiler.
Have to keep an eye on it for sure but If you tried to light one of those big chunks on fire with a match you'd be hard pressed. Part of what I'm trying to do with these upgrades is turn it into a cool old man with a pipe and less of a fire breathing dragon!
mostly I worry about what comes out the door if I open it at the "wrong" time. I've heard allot of good things about P&M boilers.
Great video. I like that grate idea. It seems my wood burns more prominently in the back against back wall anyway. Heading over to see what he offers. Thank you.
I love it, big improvement!
Did you build the grate I also have a heatmaster definitely following this I think it will definitely help
I did. The video before this one shows how. I would have built it shorter and in two pieces so it was easier to get it in and out!
There’s that magic smoke again 😂 Pretty cool very interesting! I would like to get a boiler someday.👍👍
One trick pony LOL!
@@outdoorsinthe608 Find a used one man. I'm sure they are all over market place like they are here. You're very intuitive and resourceful if you needed to make any minor repairs to one prior to firing it up. I wish I could have had one here since I started burning wood over a decade ago... total game changer!!!!!
Watching the fire in a steam locomotive running at 200 psi when wet pine slab wood was thrown on I realised the firebox temperature rapidly dried the wood allowing it to burn hot like dry wood. I had an Orlan gasification boiler for 12 years until we moved . It worked well burning 20lbs/hour of dry hardwood.
This one likes dry wood for sure but it does ok with a little green stuff. Seems like it uses allot of heat to dry it.
Hello. New subscriber to your channel. We are going to be in the market for an outside wood burner. Thanks for the video!
Thanks for the sub!
hi there interesting ,don't know if it would work on my homemade boiler . and not quite sure what it does , but thanks for showing it . i pit some steel plates similar the heat made them take a whole shape , best to all john
Thanks John!
I'll be building mine as well and have the same thoughts of running this for a controller compared to conventional methods.
Very interesting Steve!
Well done!! 👊🏻🔥🪵
Thanks 👍
Where did you get the grate with the snorkel?
Was it purchasable or was it custom built?
I built it myself. There is a video before this one that shows it. I believe Boiler Commander will be selling them soon.
Not a bad price if you get longer burn time. I switched from a hardy stove to a g200. Amazed at how long of burn time I get and how little wood I'm burning. Have jot filled it over halfway yet even on nights in low teens. Dry wood small splits no problem keeping it lit.
Thats awesome! None of us need the practice!
Keep us updated please. Thanks
Will do!
What is the exact model of Inkbird you have ?
308 Wifi
308 wifi
@@upinsmokefirewoodthanks 😅
Hopefully you'll see more of the same improvements. Look forward to seeing the results.
So far so good!
Thanks, been looking for that info. Thanks again.
No problem 👍
What’s the reason for 700 degree stack temp? I run a gasifier and I’m lucky to get 250 degree stack temp, seems like a lot of heat lost out the stack.
Most of the time it is much lower but as I understand it you are trying to get it to burn off the gasses and particulate. Your gasser does that internally so you don't see it.
Nice and good luck !
Thanks! You too!
Stack temp at 750 is a whole lot of waste heat which could be used to pre heat the return water.
It doesn't stay there for long enough to do anything. Most of the time it's much lower
How much do they cost. Thanks
right around $1000 for the unit itself.
Thanks god bless
Thank you too
why did you blur out what's in the boiler commander box?
Maunufacture likes to keep the mystery alive!
Couldn’t you recover that 750 deg exhaust through a small radiator and pump?
It's only that hot for a short amount of time to be sure it's burning as much as possible/ Most of the time it's in the 200's
I can't believe you had to use the tractor to get that baffle out 🤦♂️ i bet the thing started breathing right away after that!!!
My gasser, im learning after running it for 7 weeks now, they like to be rubbed the right way, or they can be very very finicky.
I actually jammed mine up on a warm day trying to burn 2 wheelbarrow full of Amazon boxes, cause its Christmas and we have ALOT more stuff coming to the house for some reason 😂😂.
It was in upper 60s that day, house wasnt pulling much and the fine ash jammed up my air tubes preventing it from pushing fire into the reaction chamber. It ran for almost 3 hours at 17% efficiency burned up almost 12 hours worth of wood in 3 hours too😂 Did a bit of soul searching on the Central boiler Facebook group and figured out my problems. I learned alot from others asking questions with similar issue, and every answer was always air flow related.
I digress, 😂 i think your mods are gonna help you tremendously, my water temp is also set at 185, with a 20° differential. You've almost got yours set up like a gasser now with the new charge tube. Im interested is seeing the results throughout the season.
Ill quit rambling, 4 cups of coffee in already 🎉
Stay warm brother ✌️
It's a learning curve for sure. I'm 7 years in, some of us learn slower than others! Coffee in the morning and whiskey at night, I think I only make sense around lunch time LOL!
Doesn't the Inkbird pair with your phone only when your phone isn't paired with another WIFI network? If that is the case, your phone will only receive data when paired with the Inkbird. All of these tools you have purchased we use in the electric beer brewing space. By appearances what this does is replace the Heatmaster on-board computer regulating system with a PID based system which has the capacity to learn the dynamics of the application. No doubt the basic system that Heatmaster uses for regulating burn and temp could use improvement. The only thing they require is the yearly sample for warranty.
I believe the Inkbird and our phone only have to be on the same wifi to paired (don't quote me on that)
How much was it?
Depends on the setup but the Commander itself was $1000 and under $200 for Inkbird
Interesting. This is basically doing what high end down draft gasifiers do. Modulation I’m sure will help but the whole principle of the combustion design in the conventional chunk wood boiler is wrong and most inefficient way to burn chunk wood. What I think will help any of these style boilers is to add a large water insulated storage tank (in other energy storage systems they would be known as batteries, heat sink, accumulators, etc.) and let boiler fire wide open or at least a lot longer than normal charging storage tank. Hot, long burn fires burn clean and extract more heat out of the wood. Granted these boilers are not designed to burn as clean as if they were designed with refractory but I think it would make a difference.
That's what we're trying to get out of it. I can't believe now that I've used the boiler commander for a few weeks how clean it burns. The inventor Joe Borgerding was talking about a hot water storage tank like you were saying mostly to take the shock off the floor heat. Might look at that next. Thanks for watching!
Crown royal makes them in there stoves already
Seems like a good idea
Thanks for the video for those of us who don’t have 1. I’ve got an old Hardy. 31years old. Nice upgrade for sure
So basically the box is only recieving the command of call for heat from the fan signal. The PID controller is only reading the stack temp. This would mean the purpose of the controller is to figure out the best process between call for heat from the fan signal and a 700* desired stack temp. If I had to guess from you blurring out the open controller on the bench, I'd say it has an Arduino or Rasperry pi controller inside. Not all of us hillbillys are idiots.
I think thats pretty accurate. You can set the desired stack temp as well. Ideally you can lower the stack temp for longer burn times. I dropped mine to 650 and keep an eye out for build up or color of particulate in the top chamber to see how low I can go.
66 YEAR OLD MAN HERE! IM JUST MARRIED TO STEFFY, IM NOT STEFFY.
ok, i kinda see what your doing here. your making your boiler able to be controlled by your phone over wifi! i do NOT understand why the center of the video image had the blur masking on it. it could NOT have been to hide it from the manufacturers as you already showed that main unit.
ive been using wood boilers since the early 1990s , starting with a taylor brand. that one had tubes you had to clean out.
ill NEVER UNDERSTAND WHY, anyone wants to control their devices with a cell phone!
does everyone understand that everything that happens when using a cell phone is not only recorded to be used against you by government 3 letter agencies, but everything you can imagine is being used as "data" to be sold to anyone and everyone willing to pay for that data. that the computer circuitry in these devices WILL GO BAD at some point, or be destroyed or hacked.
just give me a good ole manually controlled boiler. even in extreme northern Minnesota and northern Wisconsin, i NEVER had to fill the boiler more than once every 24 hours, even in minus 30 degrees outside temps!
ive NEVER had a shortage of wood, and i do NOT split the wood that i do NOT have to! i only split the pieces i can NOT handle easily!!
i do cut all my own wood, i do NOT have to buy wood. im originally from Arkansas so im an old hillbilly that was raised cutting and splitting firewood that was our ONLY source of heat home built fireplace, and cook stove in winter. my great grandmother only had a wood cookstove for cooking year round, so i had to split that stuff pretty fine.
Cell phone does not control it as much as monitor it. I can see on my phone if it is up to temp. If it is early in the morning I don't have to run out and fill it. It also tracks how fast it heats back up in a graph. If the graph doesn't look right I can tell that I need to fix something (usually needs cleaned) The contents of the BC was blurred out per it's inventor's request.
That's a lot of I's and me's.😂
I was looking forward to seeing inside the box. Expecting to see a PID controller like on a pellet smoker, but you ruined the video by blurring that whole area out.
So sad. Blurred out per manufactures request. You'll have to find someone else to share your misery with. I will not loose any sleep over your disappointment.
How does this thing work? why do you blurr the images, it makes me suspicious. Show me the guts of the box, I want to see professionalism, otherwise it's just a big empty box. We've all been scammed, You have to prove you aren't just another scammer.
I need to prove nothing to you. I don't make these and I don't sell them so I have nothing to gain either way. The man who makes them asked me to blur it out. I suspect you buy food from the store without accusing them of scamming you if they don't share the recipe. I make videos for people such as yourself to watch for free. I paid for this unit. The money I make off this video won't cover the shipping. If anyone is getting short changed its me.
Hey Steve , nice install . Always like doing business with people that have good customer support . Can’t wait to hear how this works . Have a great week . 👍🏻🪵🪵
Thanks Del, Joe was very helpful and really interested in my success!