SPOILERS FOR THE HUGE MISTAKE (i warned you never say i didnt warn you) I checked the replay, ByuN had EIGHT siege tanks walled in to his main because of the way the factories were laid out. They were stuck because he....didn't open the other supply depot on the ramp. Literally all he had to do to let them out was lower the second depot 🤣
Day9 once said, "If you're opponent is doing something weird, just go fucking kill them." Serral took that, and modified it to say, "When you're opponent is doing something completely standard, nothing out of the ordinary, just go fucking kill them anyway."
Hea, man, I have been watching your casts for years. I quit Starcraft ling ago. You are the only Starcraft creator I still watch. I really enjoy your content. Perfect blend of meme and mastery (of casting).
Man that first game, wow just wow. How did he even hold on so long! Just shows to show how good Byun is, sure he lost both, but still he fought without 8 siege tanks, most terrans would simply die.
Game 1: After Serral transitioned into ling/bane/hydra he was just playing with his food. Game 2: Brenda gave Serral a good slap and told him to stop messing around & eat your damn Terran-shaped broccoli.
@@TehJumpingJawa Yeah sure mate, he took the gas of off one of the greatest SC2 players ever. Sure mate, whatever makes you sleep at night. Second game Byun got rightly owned for not scouting and keeping tabs on Serral, I don't understand how pro players can be so lazy sometimes, like it baffles my mind. It's easily what made Innovation such a menace, clean cut solid play every game all games.
@@tobiasL1991 not scouting early game is a gamble pros throw that allows them to get ahead, or to do very specific timing attacks. You could see in game 2 that byun was looking to do some kind of very early timing attack with skipping the reaper for fast stim and early tanks. Kinda bit him in the butt tho, cause serral scouted the greedy CC first, and instantly plopped down the roach warren.
@@theSleepyLamp You say this, but I see pros loose virtually every game they don't scout, maybe my sample size is warped but still, it never looks like a good idea.
THE FIRST GAME : is it me or this is litterally one of the best macro game EVER by Serral (and we have to consider hes playing against one of th best too)
SEE?! I say it all the time. You KNOW byun and Maru are going to play peekaboo with drops until you want to kill your self so why not throw up several zoning spores? Seral says I agree.
Yep, literally even if it's not economically or tempo efficient the reduction on attention needed and the time given during drops more than makes up for it.
Nooo you need those 500 minerals that could have been like 20 zerglings. Not having to worry about drops that can easily do way more mineral damage is not wort it reeeeee.
I don't think you can, but you can use it to heal your own units. Could be wrong, but I know when you neural a Ghost you can't use it to launch your opponents nukes.
Honest question cause I don't play SC2 much, but wouldn't Banshees be a decent counter to Lurkers if you see your opponent go so heavily on them like Serral did in the middle of the first match? Are they so cost inefficient that it's not worth building 3 or 4 of them to keep with the army to be a constant threat to the lurkers?
I think banshees might buy some time but lurkers require hydras anyway, and with banshees being so fragile they'd just get shredded by the hydras. Ghosts are much more consistent against lurkers I think theoretically. Plus with infestors already seen on the field in that game, I think the banshees would be even worse? Just theorising here ofc
No, banshee's are incredibly fragile and dont do a whole lot of damage for the fire rate. Lurkers also require hydra's to be produced so zerg will always have anti air. This is why you see terrans use liberators instead since they are longer range, higher damage and have more health. This is also combined with tanks and ghosts.
Ok so there is a lot of answers to this question. Banshees are extremely fragile. All it takes is getting caught once with a fungal chain and they are all dead. Its compounded by the fact that Byun, as much as we love him, is stubborn as all hell and if it doesnt start with "M" he scoffs at anytime he has to build anything else.
@@benmark2353 Ghosts don't counter Lurkers. I don't know who started this meme but that's ridiculous: Lurker attack always cancel Ghost snipeshot. If we follow this logic we can say that marine counters Lurkers because if marines are split perfectly and/or Lurkers are attacking in the other direction than marines will kill Lurkers. Tanks are soft counter to Lurkers. Lurkers still can kill tanks because Lurkers siege/unsiege 4 times faster than tank, but if there is a critical mass of tanks and they are sieged then Lurkers would have to go the other direction. Liberators (even after range upgrade) are not counters to Lurkers because Lurkers siege/unsiege much faster than Libs and thus Lib will never be able to fire at Lurker unless Zerg go afk. In TvZ Liberators are not even good enough as area-denial tool since their damage was overnerfed. Ghosts counter things that counter Siege Tanks, like Vipers and Ultras. Ghosts also kinda counter their own counter which is Infestor which is not a good design... Thus the need for the Ghosts.
Ugh, first game shows what is wrong with TvZ lategame: as a Terran you have no option but endure attack after attack, and even off-creep Terran have no other option but to run from baneling river. Also Zerg can just hemorrhage Terran's supply by constantly switching attack vector abusing the fact that Terran can not re-position his army in time. To defeat Zerg in late game you need to sit behind wall of planetary fortresses and repel attack after attack until map runs out of resources. And I don't think that this is fun gameplay for Zerg either
I don't know in 1 v 1 if the entire nydus cannal destroy you lose all units... I onyl ever lost my nydus in the campaign and when I built it back I had access to my army... but I would like to know for sure, lol
Please excuse my rants. Anyone else thinks fungals need to be nerfed? It's hard to miss. It's successful most of the time, renders Terran useless and there's no counter except late game ghosts. A burrowed infestor is practically invincible. Roach ravager openings have no equal from the other races. They are usually successful while Voidray, Glaves, Battlecruiser and Bunker rushes are usually unsuccessful.
Yes, yes they do. Zerg in the hands of the best players is always an eyeroll to watch. They have so many options to what they do can, unit comps, creep, unbeatable economy, pooping out entire Armies in one wave of Larva... I understand that Zerg is hard macro but ffs their only weakness is unit cost effectiveness, which is offset by their income. Parasitic Bomb and every Viper ability is digusting. I don't know any ability in the game that does as much damage as a SINGLE Viper parasitic bombing Vikings, Phoenixes... or one Carrier and flying corruptors ontop of the carriers so that the Parasitic Bomb kills all of the Interceptors in a second (Looking at you, Dark...). Abduct being able to steel Motherships, rendering them free kills... Everyone copes about Ghosts being required to play against Zerg, but Infestors and Vipers out here literally countering everything, Vipers being the most supply efficient unit in the game. Three of the BEST abilities in the game and the ONLY energy unit that can Consume to restore energy. Lmao. Ghosts were required because everything Terran has loses to Vipers/Infestors. Bio ball? Blinding Cloud, Fungal = win ... Parasitic Bomb on the medivacs to make them use 400 APM to split them before they all explode Tanks? Blinding Clouds = win Sky-terran? Abduct/Parasitic Bomb/Fungal = win Ghosts? Burrow Fungal... or if you're Serral, Neural into EMP'ing them back... Thors? Abduct, Fungal, Blinding Clouds = win Same for Protoss. They get fucked by Vipers/Infestors too. And yeah - Roach Ravagers do well because Terran has to have Marauders ready or Several tanks (because 1 or 2 just get Corrosive Bile'd kekw), where everything Terran/Toss do early game is countered by Zerg pressing their Queen button a bunch. Thankfully Toss goes Stargate early most times so Roach/Ravager is less effective against them.
@casey ryan-hannum he clearly mentioned in the hand of the best. It's true that zerg is op against both terran and protoss. Too many options and huge economy to rebuilt in the blink of an eye. Their speed is also absurd while the 2 others races are so slow. Industry for instant telephone anywhere for free... and the list goes on.
No. 1) Ghosts aren't late game, never really were but especially after the emp change they're straight mid game units now. 2) Infestor range is still small and they require a huge investment. 3) Terran bio/tank early easily matches roach ravager, it's just that an all in is obviously stronger than an opponent who's macroing up. 4) You're comparing cheese to an all in, of course it's not the same.
@@wicem4 Terran has just as much if not more options, they just always want to stick to the strongest ones and those aren't always the best answer to a situation.
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SPOILERS FOR THE HUGE MISTAKE (i warned you never say i didnt warn you)
I checked the replay, ByuN had EIGHT siege tanks walled in to his main because of the way the factories were laid out. They were stuck because he....didn't open the other supply depot on the ramp. Literally all he had to do to let them out was lower the second depot 🤣
We've all been there
I guess im a pro too ahaha
That’s why I read comments after seeing the video…
1. Reduce spoilers
2. the icing on the cake 😊
@10:44 " And the Winged hussars arrived!"
"They popped out like they were warped in." xD
Thank you for making these videos. They make my day better and I’ve learned so much about the game from them. You’re the best, keep it up!
Seeeeeeerral! I missed most of his matches in this tournament live, great to see one of them here.
ByuN, the highest ranked Bronze League Hero, shows us how terran can warp in a bunch of siege tanks.
> ByuN, the highest ranked Bronze League Hero
Thanks for that. Made me laugh out loud.
Day9 once said, "If you're opponent is doing something weird, just go fucking kill them."
Serral took that, and modified it to say, "When you're opponent is doing something completely standard, nothing out of the ordinary, just go fucking kill them anyway."
CC first without scout is not that standard. I think mostly Byun does that, surprisingly
@@habarvaz well it's standard for Byun, and honestly recently a lot of terrans have not been scouting.
The first game hold till the very end is so scary, it seems so hard to kill him !
Hea, man, I have been watching your casts for years. I quit Starcraft ling ago. You are the only Starcraft creator I still watch. I really enjoy your content. Perfect blend of meme and mastery (of casting).
Those tanks came in like they own the place
Man that first game, wow just wow.
How did he even hold on so long!
Just shows to show how good Byun is, sure he lost both, but still he fought without 8 siege tanks, most terrans would simply die.
Game 1: After Serral transitioned into ling/bane/hydra he was just playing with his food.
Game 2: Brenda gave Serral a good slap and told him to stop messing around & eat your damn Terran-shaped broccoli.
@@TehJumpingJawa Yeah sure mate, he took the gas of off one of the greatest SC2 players ever. Sure mate, whatever makes you sleep at night.
Second game Byun got rightly owned for not scouting and keeping tabs on Serral, I don't understand how pro players can be so lazy sometimes, like it baffles my mind. It's easily what made Innovation such a menace, clean cut solid play every game all games.
IMO, byun improved alot in this game, he spread tanks etc.
@@tobiasL1991 not scouting early game is a gamble pros throw that allows them to get ahead, or to do very specific timing attacks. You could see in game 2 that byun was looking to do some kind of very early timing attack with skipping the reaper for fast stim and early tanks. Kinda bit him in the butt tho, cause serral scouted the greedy CC first, and instantly plopped down the roach warren.
@@theSleepyLamp You say this, but I see pros loose virtually every game they don't scout, maybe my sample size is warped but still, it never looks like a good idea.
THE FIRST GAME : is it me or this is litterally one of the best macro game EVER by Serral (and we have to consider hes playing against one of th best too)
You can see the tanks stuck on the top left at 9:32.
SEE?! I say it all the time. You KNOW byun and Maru are going to play peekaboo with drops until you want to kill your self so why not throw up several zoning spores? Seral says I agree.
Yep, literally even if it's not economically or tempo efficient the reduction on attention needed and the time given during drops more than makes up for it.
@@nfzeta128 I totally agree. 2-3 spores a long the edges of cliffs totally evens the playing field for zergs lack of air and anti air
Nooo you need those 500 minerals that could have been like 20 zerglings. Not having to worry about drops that can easily do way more mineral damage is not wort it reeeeee.
Nothing more satisfying than watching Byun get humbled. Serral is always there for me.
serrals macro really is just incredible
That first game was fantastic.
At 9:35 you can see the siege tanks being stucked
Always good to see a zerg punch a greedy terran in the mouth.
Thanks, winter!! Always, always good games for the fans ^^
A, I never get tired of
Serral winning :)
love the cards
Nydus defense bunker - or - F2 defense bunker?
5 more barracks late game can make zoning walls and make your tanks more portected and better, you use them as forward shield lines.
barrack dance..
If you neural parasite a medivac, can you drop out their forces?
I don't think you can, but you can use it to heal your own units. Could be wrong, but I know when you neural a Ghost you can't use it to launch your opponents nukes.
Honest question cause I don't play SC2 much, but wouldn't Banshees be a decent counter to Lurkers if you see your opponent go so heavily on them like Serral did in the middle of the first match? Are they so cost inefficient that it's not worth building 3 or 4 of them to keep with the army to be a constant threat to the lurkers?
I always think this too
I think banshees might buy some time but lurkers require hydras anyway, and with banshees being so fragile they'd just get shredded by the hydras. Ghosts are much more consistent against lurkers I think theoretically.
Plus with infestors already seen on the field in that game, I think the banshees would be even worse? Just theorising here ofc
No, banshee's are incredibly fragile and dont do a whole lot of damage for the fire rate. Lurkers also require hydra's to be produced so zerg will always have anti air. This is why you see terrans use liberators instead since they are longer range, higher damage and have more health. This is also combined with tanks and ghosts.
Ok so there is a lot of answers to this question. Banshees are extremely fragile. All it takes is getting caught once with a fungal chain and they are all dead. Its compounded by the fact that Byun, as much as we love him, is stubborn as all hell and if it doesnt start with "M" he scoffs at anytime he has to build anything else.
@@benmark2353 Ghosts don't counter Lurkers. I don't know who started this meme but that's ridiculous: Lurker attack always cancel Ghost snipeshot. If we follow this logic we can say that marine counters Lurkers because if marines are split perfectly and/or Lurkers are attacking in the other direction than marines will kill Lurkers.
Tanks are soft counter to Lurkers. Lurkers still can kill tanks because Lurkers siege/unsiege 4 times faster than tank, but if there is a critical mass of tanks and they are sieged then Lurkers would have to go the other direction.
Liberators (even after range upgrade) are not counters to Lurkers because Lurkers siege/unsiege much faster than Libs and thus Lib will never be able to fire at Lurker unless Zerg go afk. In TvZ Liberators are not even good enough as area-denial tool since their damage was overnerfed.
Ghosts counter things that counter Siege Tanks, like Vipers and Ultras. Ghosts also kinda counter their own counter which is Infestor which is not a good design...
Thus the need for the Ghosts.
Ugh, first game shows what is wrong with TvZ lategame: as a Terran you have no option but endure attack after attack, and even off-creep Terran have no other option but to run from baneling river.
Also Zerg can just hemorrhage Terran's supply by constantly switching attack vector abusing the fact that Terran can not re-position his army in time.
To defeat Zerg in late game you need to sit behind wall of planetary fortresses and repel attack after attack until map runs out of resources.
And I don't think that this is fun gameplay for Zerg either
10:44 I wote for the game of the year!
Serral gave his account to dark
2nd game to rogue :D
nah dark would have went hydras instead of straight lurkers in the first game.
1am new video let's gooooo 😅
Yo you wanna just do a whole zerg match from the POV of a queen?
I don't know in 1 v 1 if the entire nydus cannal destroy you lose all units... I onyl ever lost my nydus in the campaign and when I built it back I had access to my army... but I would like to know for sure, lol
You definitely lose all, happened to me a number of times in 2v2 when I played nydus swarm host, and my partner could not defend drops
THE GOATS!
A move op.
For the algorithm
Dear baby Jesus please bless my boy Byun wins.
👍👍
Please excuse my rants. Anyone else thinks fungals need to be nerfed? It's hard to miss. It's successful most of the time, renders Terran useless and there's no counter except late game ghosts. A burrowed infestor is practically invincible. Roach ravager openings have no equal from the other races. They are usually successful while Voidray, Glaves, Battlecruiser and Bunker rushes are usually unsuccessful.
Yes, yes they do. Zerg in the hands of the best players is always an eyeroll to watch. They have so many options to what they do can, unit comps, creep, unbeatable economy, pooping out entire Armies in one wave of Larva... I understand that Zerg is hard macro but ffs their only weakness is unit cost effectiveness, which is offset by their income.
Parasitic Bomb and every Viper ability is digusting. I don't know any ability in the game that does as much damage as a SINGLE Viper parasitic bombing Vikings, Phoenixes... or one Carrier and flying corruptors ontop of the carriers so that the Parasitic Bomb kills all of the Interceptors in a second (Looking at you, Dark...). Abduct being able to steel Motherships, rendering them free kills...
Everyone copes about Ghosts being required to play against Zerg, but Infestors and Vipers out here literally countering everything, Vipers being the most supply efficient unit in the game. Three of the BEST abilities in the game and the ONLY energy unit that can Consume to restore energy. Lmao. Ghosts were required because everything Terran has loses to Vipers/Infestors.
Bio ball? Blinding Cloud, Fungal = win ... Parasitic Bomb on the medivacs to make them use 400 APM to split them before they all explode
Tanks? Blinding Clouds = win
Sky-terran? Abduct/Parasitic Bomb/Fungal = win
Ghosts? Burrow Fungal... or if you're Serral, Neural into EMP'ing them back...
Thors? Abduct, Fungal, Blinding Clouds = win
Same for Protoss. They get fucked by Vipers/Infestors too.
And yeah - Roach Ravagers do well because Terran has to have Marauders ready or Several tanks (because 1 or 2 just get Corrosive Bile'd kekw), where everything Terran/Toss do early game is countered by Zerg pressing their Queen button a bunch. Thankfully Toss goes Stargate early most times so Roach/Ravager is less effective against them.
So I assume you two Zergs never lose to Terran right? You cracked the code?
@casey ryan-hannum he clearly mentioned in the hand of the best.
It's true that zerg is op against both terran and protoss. Too many options and huge economy to rebuilt in the blink of an eye. Their speed is also absurd while the 2 others races are so slow.
Industry for instant telephone anywhere for free... and the list goes on.
No.
1) Ghosts aren't late game, never really were but especially after the emp change they're straight mid game units now.
2) Infestor range is still small and they require a huge investment.
3) Terran bio/tank early easily matches roach ravager, it's just that an all in is obviously stronger than an opponent who's macroing up.
4) You're comparing cheese to an all in, of course it's not the same.
@@wicem4 Terran has just as much if not more options, they just always want to stick to the strongest ones and those aren't always the best answer to a situation.
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