save your vitriol for House of Dragon which was pure garbage. A soap opera with dragons and even they were boring. Power of the Ring is an epic in comparison and season two is better than season One. House of the Dragon was terrible throughout. You are just wrong about all of this and your crude language and referrences are in appropriate and not at all amusing. Big thumbs down on this review.
@@proletariatprincess1 S2 of House of the Dragon had a sh*tty last episode. Felt like 2 more episodes were missing because it was just a setup for nothing.... Hell S1 did a better Job of HotD.
@@asherking159 I Just finished LOTR since some time again and some hours after it I came to a conclusion. Rings of Power fans didn't cry when Frodo said goodbye to Sam, Merry and Pippin. Because if they did, they would know what a shitshow Rings of Power is.
It's really a tragedy that the Dwarves are all evidently vegetarians and cant feed themselves without their fields of crops that would toootally definitely grow just fine under ground. If only the dwarves were notoriously meat eaters who could raise animals for sustenance and feed their population without having to rely on manufactured sunlight(which would totally work no problem, it totally makes sense). If only Dwarves were also known for hording massive stores of wealth they mined out of their backyard that they could use to barter for food and materials from their neighbors...if only if only...
The Barrow Wights weren't even there yet. The Witch King necromances them to unlife later on, and Sauron hasn't even made the 9 rings yet, and without the rings, there's no nazgul, or witch king. Also, the Dark Wizard doesn't even make sense, the Wizards are Maiar, and none of them have left Valinor yet. They come from the west, not meteors.
@@CTimmerman Just one made bad guys. Morgoth, and yes, he corrupts a number of Maiar to his service. Chief among them was Sauron, but the lesser Maiar are known by another name, Balrog.
Also Galadriel is wielding the Ring of Adamant, like, literally, in this very scene. I don't know about you, but, I would think one of the Three being with this company of Elves would offer them, you know, "protection, concealment from evil, and preservation," all that, and stuff. Apparently, the writers forgot that their show is called Rings of Power, or that they had any already made.
Of course, all you're doing is comparing the show to Tolkien canon, which the show left behind after about 10 seconds of the very first episode. But does any of what you said go against this? The barrow-wights' origin is actually uncertain - all we know is that they were evil spirits that the Witch-king eventually sent to the Barrow Downs. In RoP, Elrond and Galadriel aren't passing through the Barrow Downs - they're going through some evil forest. So, it could be that this forest was infested by the kind of spirits that the Witch-king later commanded to take over the tombs on the Barrow Downs. When it comes to the other Istari, Tolkien originally wrote that the Five Wizards all arrived together in the Third Age. But he later changed his mind and said the Blue Wizards arrived in the Second Age - before the other three. So again, introducing the "Dark Wizard" to this story doesn't conflict with Tolkien canon. Of course, if The Stranger turns out to be Gandalf, then that would be as non-canonical as many, many other aspects of RoP that you could have highlighted. But whether it's canon or not isn't the point here - it's whether the storytelling itself is any good. And RoP fails miserably at that test.
His works are published and people have copies. No matter what the public thinks what Tolkien's works are, they are out there for people to read. Modern audience may not read books but future generations will remember Tolkien for who he was as an author.
@@DarkHourYT this is not Star Wars. There are books here. There is literature and the canon is complete. They need to come to my house and burn my books.
Again like the south pacific cargo cults that sargon pointed out about star wars and everything they make today, they know vaugly how to make it look like the lord of the rings, but they don't understand how it works. Or what made it special. It's made by simple people, for simple people...
Yeah very good point that exactly how it feels to watch..it is literally the worst show in the history of television..thats not an insult its the truth
@@RedRingedMK I haven’t watched it, but lots of people agree with you. I liked the first theee LOTR movies. I watched a couple more, but they’re all crap. Just done for the money.
I like how the horse just come to Isildur like how the raft just come to Galadriel after she swim across the middle of the ocean for a few days. This is peek plot armor contrivancies.
is it really so unbelievable that, in a fantasy universe where some horses (Mearas) are intelligent enough to understand human speech, a horse can find his way back to where he last found his rider and somehow follow the tracks from there? Not to mention, in the history of middle earth, the Mearas are supposed to be descended from the horses of Numenor, ie Isildur's horse, although there are different versions of their ancestry. I just really dont think this is where we draw the line on our suspension of disbelief, but you do you Also Aragorn's horse finds him washed up along a river bank after he vanishes off the edge of a cliff. A shorter distance sure but same principle. The horse goes out looking for his rider, finds him, wakes him up. We gonna start calling that unbelievably bad writing too or does that get a pass
Came here from The Drinker and you didn't disappoint. Holy shit I'm glad I've never actually watched this travesty, but you've earned a new sub from me!
It's been a fair few decades since I read LOTR, but I'm fairly sure that the Eagles were among the very first sentient creatures in Middle Earth they before the elves. They are not just big birds they're intelligent creatures with a kind of society and hierarchy. It makes no sense why one would randomly show up in Numenor screech and fly off. I'm so glad I stopped watching this show 30 minutes into episode 1 of season 1. Watching a whole episode or season of this tripe would fill me with anger and frustration. I am grateful to those who sacrifice their time and test their patience to provide these humorous critiques so that I can actually laugh at the absurdity.
The rolled r's is actually how it is supposed to be in Tolkien's stuff. Most r's were rolled in English, historically. *Not* rolling r's is actually a very recent, *very* unique feature of contemporary English. Look up a recording of a British person born in the 19th century speaking (like in a 1960's BBC interview for example). Many r's are rolled in Scots. The actress is Welsh, and the Welsh language has rolled r's, too. The show is absolute ga~r~bage though, in any event💀💀💀💀💀
The rolling of R's is jarring and moronic because they only do it for names and that's not how accents work. You don't turn a language that took countless generations to evolve on and off like a light switch throughout a sentence. Only current-year pretentious dorks think pronouncing a single word with a foreign accent makes them sound cultured and worldly.
I think they do it because that's how Tolkien pronounced "Mordor" in an interview. I think if he'd realised at the time what it would lead to, he would have destroyed the tapes and maybe the interviewer.
9:25 That was my first thought when I saw the those cave-ins. They're dwarves. Digging is their thing. It would be child's play to reopening those holes.
If you actually read Tolkien letter 43 it says “ I’ve always imagine the people of middle Earth as a bunch of doe eyed theatre students who have just stepped out of a Salon”
Yes thats 100% true ... Absolute evil villains dont exist anymore everybody has to be morally grey even pure heroes dont exist in "modern" medie ... Ill just stick to manga and anime
@roronoadzoro9429 Tolkien didn't deal in grey areas. He very much wrote and believed in moral absolutes. That's the fundamental issue with this show. If you make changes to character appearance, dialogue, it's not a huge deal. But to abandon the spirit of Tolkien's writing is a bad choice. That's why Peter Jackson's trilogy was so successful. He didn't do that.
@@roronoadzoro9429 if you're referring to Sauron, he isnt in the least bit morally grey in the show. He is still pure evil, and if you think otherwise then you bought into his deception
@@morganlefaye5699 yeah man, Jackson, the guy who cut the scouring of the Shire, definitely didn't also sacrifice any of Tolkien's spirit for the sake of adapting his work to the screen. There definitely weren't tons of people who sounded exactly like you when the movies came out except they were criticizing Jackson's work then. History is a loop.
nobody has noticed how the swamp monster had huge fangs and teeth? there is no way you get eaten by that creature and get out of his belly without any wound.
Because of the very limited rights Amazon has to J.R.R. Tolkien’s material, this show could only ever be fan fiction, and, like most fan fiction, it’s a sloppy imitation that misses the point of the original work entirely.
No I don't think the rights are the problem. They could have just chosen way less characters to portray and actually made them interesting, that's it. I literally don't feel anything for any of the characters in this series ,they are completely soulles
@@daesdemona6173 They certainly *could* have written other, better characters in Middle Earth and told some good stories, but they still would have been disconnected from the canonical stories of Tolkien because they have to be - they don’t have those rights. So, again, it could only ever have been fan fiction.
There's enough information in the appendices (which is what they have the rights to use) to not have written things in a contradictory fashion both to the timeline and internally to the story. The appendices were perfect story starters or writing prompts, if you will.
Possibly you are missing something. That this idiocy was not corrected from one year to the next, shows that developers want to replace art with content. This deliberate dumbing down is intended to also dumb down the audience. That way art and artists can be replaced by mindless content for mindless viewers. We won't have to achieve or excel or progress or advance any more. We won't have to strive to meet ideals. That's too hard. We can all become happy vegetables.
The writing credits on this show are stacked. Incredibly so in some cases. It's the showrunners that completely came out of nowhere. "Start spreading the term" holy inflated ego The showrunners got the job most likely due to their recommendation from JJ Abrams. They also seemed pretty passionate about the project, they spoke elvish in the pitch meeting apparently, but that isn't enough to explain why two guys with literally zero credits were given a billion dollar franchise. It's insane how Abrams has that much influence. Anyways point is you're placing the blame on the wrong people
@@DarkHourYT Jason Cahill, Gennifer Hutchison, and Justin Doble to name the more notable ones. There are some talented people in the writing rooms, that is a fact. If you want to argue whether their work is good or not, fine, or how much they contributed to their work, couldnt tell you I wasnt in the room, and each episode typically has a different writer, but I really think you're under-crediting these people like it's the first time they've ever put a pen to paper when they could easily write circles around both you and me and have the proof to back it up. My point is that if anyone in the production is unqualified to be there, it is the showrunners, not the writers.
@@asherking159 Jason Cahill wrote two episodes Gennifer Hutchinson co wrote two episodes and was an executive producer for season 1 only Justin Doble wrote 3 episodes for season 1 . 2 of the 3 you mentioned have literally nothing to do with the writing room this season and the last one barely.
The Rings of Power is basically a low rent version representation of Tolkien's vision, occurring in a mirror universe where everything is guaranteed to turn to shit.
05:55 -- Remember how it was established in The Hobbit that trolls are sentient, speak fluent Westron, and turn to stone in the sunlight? I guess no one involved here read The Hobbit.
Tolkien himself (sort of) retconned this. Olog-hai only speak in black speech and don’t turn to stone in sunlight. Is this troll an Olog-hai? He fits the description better than normal trolls, but Sauron created Olog-hai in the late third age, thousands of years after RoP takes place, so he technically shouldn’t be, but this show already does so much to mess with the timeline that it’s not unbelievable this is just another casualty of that. If it’s done for the sake of something cool later then I’m all for it. Remains to be seen. Could just be a “oh oh *points at screen* I know that thing!” moment without any substance
@@midlandredux Tolkien retconned that, Olog-Hai are the only intelligent trolls. There are different breeds, the ones in the hobbit are mountain trolls and they’re dim witted. Mordor made a special breed of hill troll which is more intelligent.
-The Black Forest is (I hope, cause else it's just a stupid thing the show made up) a play on the Ered Gorgoroth, given that in the Lore, Ered Gorgoroth (the Mountains of Terror) were infested with giant spiders and none entered there return alive. Aside Beren, the mortal man who fell in love with Luthien Tenuviel whom he saw dancing in a meadow of flowers (which coincidentally is how JRR met and fell in love with Edith), which is another slap in the face because the track from Bear mccreary is called "Shelob"...so now when you watch the movie Return of the King and see Shelob's eye scar, Dumbdur did it! -Tar Miriel going with white is done as a jab at the people online who argued against the casting of Amanda Waller. IN the lore, the way Tolkien describes her is: "fairer than Silver, or Ivory or Pearls". So what better way to 'shut up' people complaining online about the interpretation that 'fair' means 'skintone' by chosing fair as 'prettier' and literally drape her in silver ivory pearls -Fun fact a lot of animals can talk in Tolkien's world (like the bird that told Bard of laketown where to shoot Smaug), so if the Eagle of Manwë was there to 'choose' a real ruler and NOT Pharazon...why did it not speak up? Because the Great Eagles are capable of speech. -While the interpretation of Bombadil's...interesting. I recall from the book he's an aloof nature spirit living in the Old Forest near the Shire. So what's he doing in the Easteling land of Rhún? And why is he teaching Istari in the SECOND AGE when they should be active in the third age! -The fact the Barrow-Wights are here, during the Barrow Downs, is concerning, because in Lore (getting tired of me saying that yet?) they were infested by evil spirits (therefor creating the Barrow-Wights of the Barrow Downs) when the Witch-King of Angmar (yes, the 'I have the strongest Ring of the Nine, No MAN can Kill me'...THAT WITCH-KING) commanded them just to further destroy the kingdom of Arnor (which last capital was Cardolan)...so why are there spirits here? If these are evil spirits, why did the Witch King infest the graves...since they're already infested... -the Mud Monster is called "one of the fouler things than Orcs hidden in the deep places of the Earth" (you know, like the Watcher and other monstrosities). So "deep places" means 'foot deep' in a swamp somewhere. -Galadriel (the real one, not this Karrrren rrrrrolling herrrr rrrrrrs) with Nenya could level Dol Guldur with a mere gesture. Just saying, she was already a 'girlboss' but actually a girl, not this...whatever this shit is. But at least Feminem the Slim Lady moth lady...wasn't in this...oh wait
03:54 -- The most powerful people in this pre-industrial society are meeting in a grubby tavern instead of dining in a hall with the finest, freshest food and drink prepared by trustworthy servants? Is this Numenor or Springfield, Illinois?
tl;dr: rant about why the youtuber's analysis of this scene is garbage and that you have been sold a lie First of all, I want to start by directly refuting the youtubers disingenuous description of the scene. They were not discussing a coup in view of loyal soldiers to the queen, there was *one* soldier, he was off duty, and *hiding behind a pillar mostly out of sight eavesdropping* This is what I find so frustrating about videos like these. Most of you dont even watch the show and just enjoy shitting on it, sure, more power to you, genuinely I mean that, but it opens the door for guys like this to exaggerate issues or just straight up fabricate problems in the show just so he has more content to shit on, and none of you even notice because it's established in your minds the show is capable of being just that bad. This is no different than cinema sins cringe and I'm hoping most of you realize this eventually just like you did with cinema sins. Now to refute the comment I'm replying under. I can tell you with 100% certainty this commenter has not seen the show for themself, because Valandil, the soldier loyal to the Queen, walks up to the table and comments on how it is odd that they are dining in such a grubby tavern. That is literally the first thing he says (after greeting Isildur's sister). "You know, I thought Guilds-folk preferred to keep to the more fashionable part of town. What are you doing in the Old Quarter?" You are correct in assuming it is odd, commentor, because it is. That is what the show is conveying to you. Pharazon rebuttles with "We came here to bury a King." an obvious lie hidden within a truth, but Pharazon wasn't aware Valandil was eavesdropping, but it gives more credence as to why they're discussing the coup in this tavern at all, and the subtext of it. It's convenient under this guise and also builds on Pharazon and his cohorts vile nature. They are using the previous King's death as a springboard to advance their own political power. They're not really there to honor his death, but to discuss ways to usurp his Queen. Some of you may say "Dumb of them to do it in public still!" well when Pharazon's son walks up to Valandil and Valandil postures in a threatening stance towards him, all of the folk in the tavern turn or stand to face Valandil in retaliation, which should've told you that all these people are loyal to Pharazon if they're willing to defend his son like that. So to fully deconstruct this scene, they are discussing a coup in a tavern full of people loyal to Pharazon under the guise of being in that area due to the King's burial. Valandil has no ability to arrest them for treason here, which is meant to show you how weak the Queen's power and her influence on her people is, so when Pharazon does seize the throne later in the episode, it is believable. This is what I mean. The youtuber either intentionally misconstrued this entire scene to sell the narrative that it's shit and that every character is a moron and the writers are too, or he completely was not paying attention to not even just the subtext of the scene, but also the actual words of dialogue that were being spoken. This the type of guy to complain about "show dont tell!!!" then still miss the point even when the show is spelling it out for him. Kind of an aside, but did you know some of the writers/producers of RoP come from shows like Fringe, Breaking bad and Better Call Saul, Stranger Things, and The Sopranos? But no man they all must be dumb as bricks making the worst thing ever. Do you still think it's dumb they would discuss a coup at all not behind closed doors? If you think that well then that still negates this comment complaining about not being in a dining hall. It would be even more dumb to do it there. There are 100% scenes in this show worthy of criticism and being absolutely torn apart. This is not one of them, and neither are most of the other scenes in this video. It is padded out with fabricated, psuedo-intellectual nonsense for the sake of selling you content. If someone wants me to, and if given the time it would take, I would go step by step and explain why most every other scene analysis in this video is also hot garbage. You all are being farmed by low effort youtubers. I am too technically since I'm here engaging with it
I appreciate how this commentary is strictly about how bad the show is just from a storytelling perspective. There's no angst about ruining Tolkein's legacy. Just an objective perspective of this show being a complete dumpster fire all on it's own. Who keeps hiring these writters?! Did no one even go to film school!?!
9:05 actually this is something fairly common under Socialist rule. Being Polish I would say we learned about governments doing similar things IRL even 1st hand. Still weird to think Dwarves would have Socialist government... heh.
First of all Cześć. You'd think dwarves would actually be a meritocracy through and through. You dig the best you're rewarded with more jewels, metal, etc.
@@DarkHourYT Yup, Siemanko :D And yes: I always imagined them as highly pragmatic and meritocratic. Likely with appreciation for both raw strength and ingenuity in terms of technology. Hard to say if they would have any strong similarity to real life political scheme, but I would imagine that due to also being rather strongly family oriented (even in a wider family) they would likely follow semi-monarchical structure with indeed a King in the center but also various clans co-ruling with likely own domains with own secrets (trade or otherwise) and influence. Ugh, it is painful since Dwarf culture in many setting and Tolkien especially are VERY intriguing and easy to make both complex and interesting - while still making sense in universe. Like: I did once talk at length with some other RPG enthusiasts about any possibility of Black Dwarves aside literal supernatural curse as it happens in DnD for example. What I came with was: well what about Volcano Dwarves or at least ones living in caverns with immense natural Lava flow in vast caverns? Not only being dark-skinned would be very logical but also imagine all the possibilities for different capabilities in technology! Heh.. making them mundane, or even worse: stupid, is frankly a sin.
13:21 I think the comment here misses the point. Canonically Elves roll their r's so the actress is doing as directed. Tolkien says his use of R in their language "represents a trilled r in all positions; the sound was not lost before consonants". The problem is that she, and almost everyone else in the show pronounces it very self consciously and awkwardly in a way you would not expect from someone speaking their own language (Galadriel even rolls her r awkwardly when saying her own name in s1). The result is jarring precisely because it doesn't sound like eg a native Spanish speaker, but like a Brit poorly imitating their accent
@@DarkHourYT thats right, or perhaps only use it for names of people and places. Which is another thing that takes you out of the scene - why is it sauRrron but not paRrrty? Is this the way the language works, the character's accent, what is it?
Morfydd Clarke is Welsh and a Welsh speaker, so I think it is safe to assume she is very, very comfortable rolling R's (a feature of Welsh phonology). This makes me think the sheer awkwardness of the rolled R's comes down to the direction 💀
@@triciacarr5019race mixing has nothing to do with fast travel. It is from groups immigrating. You think people are just like popping over to Africa on a weekend flight and getting knocked up and then coming home? Most of the black population in the US came here on sailing ships. Transportation makes mass immigration easier but it doesn't cause it, and in the right circumstances they will immigrate anyway. A lot of the people entering the US and Europe are walking there, or sailing on small boats. To create an ethnically diverse population you need a significant number of people of different genetic backgrounds to move into a region. And they need to keep coming in, or the groups need to maintain strict separation and not interbreed, or over a few generations they will all just be the same color but a few shades darker than they were before the immigrants came. Where exactly in Middle Earth did the Asian and Black elves immigrate from? Or are we just going to pretend that the gods created life in a pleasingly diverse spectrum of features and just kind of mixed them all together at random all over the world?
@@justforever96 Did not mean ‘mixing’ as you took it. Meant, you don’t get a New York street, with people from all over the globe (NOT their ancestors, themselves) without modern transport. Way to step on the punchline of my “oh wait they DO have game ‘fast travel’” joke…
What bothers me the most about that is that they won't have that same diversity in media portraying, let's say Nazis... Or African slaves in America. So long as it's some type of living creature described as having exclusively fair and pale skin, there will always be diversity inclusions UNLESS the characters are either supposed to be exclusively black or exclusively "bad".
"What kind of deranged mountain goat thinks sitting on a food reserve while his whole population dies..." Well, we could look to the reign of Luis XV of France, who is widely suspected of aggravating the famines suffered at the time to jack up the price of the grain reserves he controlled. He was also the guy who said "After me, the deluge!" and the next to last king. Suffice to say, the popularity of monarchical forms of government didn't survive him...
Suspected. That's the operative word. He also had a ton of people who really hated him and wanted anything to inflame the peasantry against him. Rumors like that usually appear in any famine situation anyway. Don't believe everything you read just because it confirms your own biases. Half of "history" is bullshit and speculation anyway. In the cases I do know of where grain reserves were not used, it usually had more to do with uncertainty how long the famine would be and whether the need would be even more desperate later, or just a failure to find adequate transportation to distribute the stuff. How exactly do you hand out thousands of tons of grain to millions of people? Where do you get the carts, and the workers, who keeps track of distribution and who had gotten what? But yes much easier to just say it was an evil plot to inflate the grain prices. Because super high prices that no one can actually afford is always the best way to get profits.
16:49 Hi! I actually have an answer to that! It's not necessarily each barrow wights blade can kill their respective wight, rather the Barrow Downs are the graves of men who fought against Angmar. Angmar was a nation that was led by the Witch King and he used wights as soldiers. The men enchanted their blades with essentially anti-wight magic, but after being buried the Witch King thought it'd be a funny f-u to make them into wights. So yes, while it does seem mighty convientent, the show isn't too far off the mark lore-wise...! ...However... That does point out something else that's painful to realize. The Witch King made the barrow wights...you know, the guy who was turned into a wraith by one of the rings of power? The ones that uh...haven't been forged yet..?
They could've said in the script a little better like "the blades buried here are enchanted to hurt them" these are basics of writing give the audience the information in the most efficient way
@@DarkHourYT at 30:27 in episode 4, right after they kill the wights, Elrond says, "According to lore, only the blades with which they were buried will return such creatures to rest." Did you even watch this show man? He literally almost turns straight to the camera and says that, I felt like I was being talked down to by the writers, like I wasnt smart enough to figure that out unless they verbally explained it to me then and there, but somehow even that was not enough for you I guess. Like that scene is so stilted and awkward because the actors clearly aren't comfortable fighting with cgi monsters, and Elrond literally expositing lore to the audience right after killing the wights is borderline hilarious (this was your idea too apparently, but yeah you're so much more competent than these writers lmao), and yet your critique is hung up on a detail you actually got wrong because you weren't paying attention. Come on man
and to reply to the original comment, Galadriel implies Sauron is the one who raised the wights. Which makes sense, they happened to be buried where the elves would send their messengers through, thereby allowing him more time to continue forging the rings. It's just to fit in with their whole "Sauron is awakening evil all across middle earth to further incentivize people rely on his rings to save them" thing they've got going. Sauron creating problems then selling people the solution. I think the Witch King angle is way cooler too, and without it the blades being able to kill the wights lacks its irony, but I can see what they're going for. It's not without purpose, up to you if you think it was the correct creative decision or not
@@asherking159 at 16:49 you'll hear that i ask "how do the elves know which specfic blade each one was buried with?" Did you even watch my video man? I literally talk right to you and explain my issue with this line. Turns out that it's cause it's poorly explained in the show itself but yeah your observation skills are so much better than mine that you can't even figure that out.
@@DarkHourYT oh yep, fair enough. Shouldve watched that part of your video if I wanted to talk about this with full context, I just was so taken out by all the previous bad takes I tapped out of the video at around 10 mins I think we actually agree on this scene. That was wrong of me to assume you made such an oblivious mistake here. My bad. Still doesn't change my other criticisms of this video from the parts I did watch though.
The industry was worried about AI writing scripts. I can safely say this show would be better if AI wrote the script. Seriously Payne and McKay need to be stopped.
You do a good job digging up all these random clips to emphasize your points. That must take a lot of work. I know very successful creators who mostly just use the same exact clips over and over, i appreciate that you actually put in the effort to get some variety.
That isn't even nearly true. The people who wrote this have quite a ways to go before they could be considered smart enough to be called dumbasses. As it stands they're beneath window lickers, because even those are completely sentient.
I found your channel after hearing the Critical Drinker call her Galadridumb and credited you for it. Funny stuff. Great start to your channel! Best of luck to you!
Just came across this channel. This is pure genius. I want to clip some of this and share it on a channel. I have to let other people see this cause this is amazing. Whoever owes the channel. Let me know if that’s cool thanks.
I watched BSUP yesterday and seeing you before on other channels I thought you must have more subs already. Congrats on the 10k! Keep up the good work!
You know a lot of people think I'm more established then I actually am because I'm on things like Open Bar. I just made it a habit of punching above my weight class. But I appreciate that you're here now.
How can this be a 1 billion show ... 70% of that to buy off the critics, 25% to the visual effects and the remaining 5% to practical effects and wages?
The blades were forged by the Dunedain for the wars against the Witch King of Angmar. That's why Pippins sword works on the WK in TROTK. I'm sure the show didn't explain that though.
TIME LINE!!!!! the war against the WKoA hasn't even happened yet!!! This show is ridiculous. What's sad is seeing otherwise intelligent, creative, even writers of fiction, defend this miscarriage.
It began with the forging of the Great Rings. Three were given to the Black Lives Matter, immortal, wisest and fairest of all beings. Seven to the Transgender-Lords, great miners and craftsmen of the mountain halls. And nine, nine rings were gifted to the race of LGBTQ+, who above all else desire power. For within these rings was bound the strength and the will to govern each race. But they were all of them deceived, for another ring was made. Deep in the land of Mordor, in the Fires of Mount White, the Dark Lord White Straight guy forged a master ring, and into this ring he poured his cruelty, his malice and his will to dominate all life.
Drinker, Platoon, Cynic and Echo have all helped give me much larger platform so I felt it fitting to say thank you with all four of them on. I was nervous I didn't want to come off as sappy or anything but those guys are as authentic as it comes
I submitted a 1/2 star on rotten tomatoes. I also suggested that Bezos look into the finances of his entertainment directors. See if anyone bought a super yacht (or large amounts of cryptocurrency?) to find out where the rest of his 1/2 billion went . Sure didn't go into writing or plot development. Do some of the scenery shots look like enlarged photos to anyone else?
This is an AI script. You can list the shows and movies it was given to “scrape”. Stop talking about “writers” and “billion $”. All of this is Amazon talking points.
The question is: will the ai get better and take in the bad critic and learn from it and produce better and better shows? Maybe by season 4 of rings of powers things will start to make sense or we are just brain washed.. AI will eventually take over everything and no, no jobs are safe. everything you can apply to human labor can be handled by AI combined with robotics so what we will experience in the future is mass unemployment, has already started in the IT industry. then we are introduced into a contribution society to try to maintain some form of structure in the consumption society we have created because currency is the last thing we want to abandon, but even money's value will eventually become insignificant when it is given out every month freely. Some countries will ofc handle the big change better then others but its important that the change is incredible fast, we cant linger with one fot in the value and the other in freedom (if we do, there will be chaos). The longer the gap remains open the more the population divides.
I knew this was a dumbass show @ season 1 episode 1. They climb an icesheet, enter an ice cave so cold that even the torches fail to give off heat. Still no characters can produce 1 steamy breath. Nice going Amazon.
Moronatar is beautiful. I would have gone Dissabetes. And I just call the sister “Boobs”. Least they have boobs in the show. Most of the time these days they just get taped up. I stand for boob representation! Barrow-Wights are the bodies of men presumably inhabited by spirits of long-slain Avari, spirits who refused the summons to the Halls of Mandos. The lore is completely ignored here. Barrow blades were originally wrought by smiths of Arthedain in the middle of the Third Age as daggers for use in the wars with Angmar. They are blades used to fight the Wights, not carried by them. They were buried in a barrow in Tyrn Gorthad along with the last prince of Cardolan, who fell in battle with Angmar. So it is ridiculous to assume that the Barrow-Wights’ own blades would be the only weapons that could kill them. Barrow-blades had not yet been forged. You should be able to to destroy the vessel that contains the spirits. Fire usually does the trick.
"You have not seen the things that I have seen" dialogue improved by ChatGPT as follows Galadriel: "You deem that you have seen much, Elrond, but the shadows I have known are deeper still." Elrond: "My years have not been idle, Lady. I have borne witness to many griefs and dark tidings, long have I walked the paths of sorrow." Galadriel: "Yet the darkness that I speak of is older than the stones beneath our feet, wrought in the ancient fires of the world’s first malice. You have not gazed into the void as I have, nor felt its cold touch upon your spirit. Your trials, though great, have not led you to the depths where I have wandered." Now seriously, just let ChatGPT write the next 3 seasons.
So many haters the rings of power is the best cinema ever produced. Especially That scene guyladriel Become bowmaster, that she surpassed the legendary legolas himself. i literally cry in that scene What a show!
umm.. she was already better than legolas because she was born female presenting and had to put up with that horrid elven patriarchy that was just brought about because of silly magic from the grey havens and even had to go thru the humiliation ritual of marrying that chud celeborn.... and her real bae sauron had to teach celebrimbor about alloys so ha elvish men... wow.. i took that joke a little too far
@@DarkHourYT BSUP and Echo Chamberlain's before that I believe! You were with TLP each time, I remember that part for certain. Edit* I'm a bit late to drinker's stuff, only fell into all of this in recent months.
@@DarkHourYT Nice, and congratulations, man! The riffing is great - the general vibe feels like the 48 Hours movies to me but I can't really pinpoint exactly why
The reason this entire series is such a shame is that with that money and with as little quality entertainment there is, this had such great potential. They HAD to ruin it just like they have ruined every other IP. As a life-long nerd, they've infected every.. single.. F'n IP I grew up loving. Star Wars, Star Trek, Doctor Who, Marvel, DC, Indiana Jones, Lord of the Rings.. every great IP. All for "the message". What they fail to understand is that we play video games and watch movies and series to escape from whatever the latest political message is. I'm certain that, they just can't help themselves.
Political messages were always present in these, you just didnt realize it because you were a *child* . Lucas has straight up said verbally that Nixon and the Vietnam war directly inspired his original trilogy, and there are clear parallels to Bush's administration in the prequels. I'm sorry to eviscerate your childhood like this, but you gotta face reality man. And if you weren't a child when some of these came out and still didnt realize it, yikes dude
@@asherking159 Loosely using modern goings on as a basis for a story and injecting modern politics directly into entertainment are two totally different things. Inspired by and directly using aren’t the same thing. Back then, people didn’t want to or need to know every actor’s and director’s political beliefs and were left to draw their own conclusions. It’s called nuance, look it up.
@@prongATO here we go. Always the same here. Shifting the goalposts from "Pure escapism absent of the latest political message" to "No no, back then it was nuanced and loosely based, so it was okay." First off, you're wrong, Lucas could not have been more on the nose about his politics. They're called stormtroopers ffs. Also I would just love to point out one of your beloved franchises, Star Trek, was so far ahead of its time back in the 60's on minority representation in pop culture. I can guarantee you there were people who sounded exactly like you back then too, complaining about "the message" Secondly, your statement "Loosely using modern goings on as a basis for a story and injecting modern politics directly into entertainment are two totally different things" is incorrect. You just described the exact same thing but applied different connotations to it, making one sound positive and the other negative. "Back then, people didn’t want to or need to know every actor’s and director’s political beliefs and were left to draw their own conclusions." It's the same shit different day man. You've just gotten older and have learned to recognize these things better, and instead of going back and re-examining what the political climate looked like in the 70's or 80's, it's a lot easier to pinpoint modern politics that are fresh in your mind. I agree with you that most of these franchises have been absolutely run into the ground and suck now, but "the message" is not the reason why
Amazon is an online shop. They don’t care about making a good show, or streaming service. They want to sell shit to people. That being said, I’ve not watched a single episode of this show. All the recaps out there, but not one episode. From day one of its announcement, I knew it was going to be butchered, utterly. It is my favorite universe, I know the lore as if it were actual history (the intention of Tolkien of the lore was for one to read it through the eyes of a historian). They had the ability to make a great show, without a doubt. They didn’t care to. Cause controversy, media reels, and article headlines with “Amazon’s..” as the first word of the article.
save your vitriol for House of Dragon which was pure garbage. A soap opera with dragons and even they were boring.
Power of the Ring is an epic in comparison and season two is better than season One.
House of the Dragon was terrible throughout.
You are just wrong about all of this and your crude language and referrences are in appropriate and not at all amusing.
Big thumbs down on this review.
I found the new pin of shame
big thumbs down LOL he showed you! Mister!
@@proletariatprincess1 S2 of House of the Dragon had a sh*tty last episode. Felt like 2 more episodes were missing because it was just a setup for nothing.... Hell S1 did a better Job of HotD.
I'll just assume that you're the kind of person that only pay attention to a show when there's some big noises and moves on screen.
He used naughty words!?
And yet you watch HotD - which shows sex, boobs and graphic violence constantly 😂 It's like a South Park joke come to life
Money laundering is a complicated business.
Check the commercial in the first video. I did on RoP
This there is no way you can convince me Bezzos paid a billion dolars for this and is ok with it.
mindless drones copy pasting this exact comment under any video about RoP. Have an original thought
@@asherking159 I Just finished LOTR since some time again and some hours after it I came to a conclusion.
Rings of Power fans didn't cry when Frodo said goodbye to Sam, Merry and Pippin.
Because if they did, they would know what a shitshow Rings of Power is.
It involves pretending to actually do something
Rings of Power is nothing less than a criminal act against Tolkien's legacy and, moreover, the art of storytelling.
It breaks so many narrative rules
It's a knowing evisceration of the source material for sure
So are the Jackson films you adore
@@aithjawcraig9876 Christopher Tolkien used the word ''eviscerated'' to describe the New Line films
PJ is a gentle directorial yacht
It's really a tragedy that the Dwarves are all evidently vegetarians and cant feed themselves without their fields of crops that would toootally definitely grow just fine under ground.
If only the dwarves were notoriously meat eaters who could raise animals for sustenance and feed their population without having to rely on manufactured sunlight(which would totally work no problem, it totally makes sense).
If only Dwarves were also known for hording massive stores of wealth they mined out of their backyard that they could use to barter for food and materials from their neighbors...if only if only...
Vegan dwarves were Tolkien's vision didn't you know?
Mushrooms are vegan, and bats carry disease.
Roaring fires, malt beeeeeer! Ripe meat off the bone!
Underground farming is known for its beef.
@@CTimmerman Maybe they lit a match and the methane explosion caused the light tubes or whatever to collapse.
The Barrow Wights weren't even there yet. The Witch King necromances them to unlife later on, and Sauron hasn't even made the 9 rings yet, and without the rings, there's no nazgul, or witch king.
Also, the Dark Wizard doesn't even make sense, the Wizards are Maiar, and none of them have left Valinor yet. They come from the west, not meteors.
Maybe some Valar made some bad boys.
@@CTimmerman Just one made bad guys. Morgoth, and yes, he corrupts a number of Maiar to his service. Chief among them was Sauron, but the lesser Maiar are known by another name, Balrog.
Trying to make any sense of this mess is just pointless. It looks good though.
Also Galadriel is wielding the Ring of Adamant, like, literally, in this very scene. I don't know about you, but, I would think one of the Three being with this company of Elves would offer them, you know, "protection, concealment from evil, and preservation," all that, and stuff. Apparently, the writers forgot that their show is called Rings of Power, or that they had any already made.
Of course, all you're doing is comparing the show to Tolkien canon, which the show left behind after about 10 seconds of the very first episode. But does any of what you said go against this? The barrow-wights' origin is actually uncertain - all we know is that they were evil spirits that the Witch-king eventually sent to the Barrow Downs. In RoP, Elrond and Galadriel aren't passing through the Barrow Downs - they're going through some evil forest. So, it could be that this forest was infested by the kind of spirits that the Witch-king later commanded to take over the tombs on the Barrow Downs. When it comes to the other Istari, Tolkien originally wrote that the Five Wizards all arrived together in the Third Age. But he later changed his mind and said the Blue Wizards arrived in the Second Age - before the other three. So again, introducing the "Dark Wizard" to this story doesn't conflict with Tolkien canon. Of course, if The Stranger turns out to be Gandalf, then that would be as non-canonical as many, many other aspects of RoP that you could have highlighted. But whether it's canon or not isn't the point here - it's whether the storytelling itself is any good. And RoP fails miserably at that test.
Tolkien's legacy is intact. Just as a turd can never scratch a diamond, this show can never marr Tolkien's work.
Yeah but unfortunately you'll always know that diamond touched that turd no matter how many times you wash it
His works are published and people have copies. No matter what the public thinks what Tolkien's works are, they are out there for people to read. Modern audience may not read books but future generations will remember Tolkien for who he was as an author.
Just because i know have read the books in 2 languages f this show its so bad
True sir but it can stain a diamon. 🦉
@@DarkHourYT this is not Star Wars. There are books here. There is literature and the canon is complete. They need to come to my house and burn my books.
The power of one
The power of maaaaaaaaany...
Oh wait.. wrong universe... same garbage
I laugh so hard at your commentary. This channel deserves way more subscribers.
Why does it seem like this show is nothing but pointless filler? It's all just content. There's nothing of value here.
That is how it feels
Again like the south pacific cargo cults that sargon pointed out about star wars and everything they make today, they know vaugly how to make it look like the lord of the rings, but they don't understand how it works. Or what made it special.
It's made by simple people, for simple people...
Yeah very good point that exactly how it feels to watch..it is literally the worst show in the history of television..thats not an insult its the truth
If there was, there'd be a book about it.
@@CTimmerman and I guarantee the show runners have never read the books. Or even watched the Peter Jackson trilogy.
word assemblers is so apt...well put!
@@captainmojo25 gotta get it on Urban Dictionary
How does something worse than the acolyte exist 😭
I don’t know acolyte is pretty terrible and never even seen 1 second of it.
Why didn't the Eagle just say who he thinks should be the monarch? It's not like they don't talk.
We know the Eagle can talks, any one who look it up know they can, but do the writers of the show know they can?
Whisper ~ I don't think they know the eagles talk. Don't tell them! The eagles will say some kind of woke shit 🤣
Anyone watching would think the Eagle approved of the evil king! Man, these writers sck
"Wakanda of the Shire and the Spears of Power" is the best thing on Amazon in years. I can't wait to see the South Park version!
They are the best for about a year i used to open every video with a South Park clip
Wakanda of the Shire 😂😂😂😂
@@theophrastus3.056 you guys are too hung up on the race thing. The made up characters and plots are the problem
@@RedRingedMK I haven’t watched it, but lots of people agree with you. I liked the first theee LOTR movies. I watched a couple more, but they’re all crap. Just done for the money.
lulz🤣
I like how the horse just come to Isildur like how the raft just come to Galadriel after she swim across the middle of the ocean for a few days. This is peek plot armor contrivancies.
It's some of the most unbelievable bad writing
is it really so unbelievable that, in a fantasy universe where some horses (Mearas) are intelligent enough to understand human speech, a horse can find his way back to where he last found his rider and somehow follow the tracks from there?
Not to mention, in the history of middle earth, the Mearas are supposed to be descended from the horses of Numenor, ie Isildur's horse, although there are different versions of their ancestry. I just really dont think this is where we draw the line on our suspension of disbelief, but you do you
Also Aragorn's horse finds him washed up along a river bank after he vanishes off the edge of a cliff. A shorter distance sure but same principle. The horse goes out looking for his rider, finds him, wakes him up. We gonna start calling that unbelievably bad writing too or does that get a pass
My god, instant sub. This was music to my ears. Brilliant humor as well.
Came here from The Drinker and you didn't disappoint. Holy shit I'm glad I've never actually watched this travesty, but you've earned a new sub from me!
Glad to not disappoint. Had this been a year ago I may have.
It's been a fair few decades since I read LOTR, but I'm fairly sure that the Eagles were among the very first sentient creatures in Middle Earth they before the elves.
They are not just big birds they're intelligent creatures with a kind of society and hierarchy.
It makes no sense why one would randomly show up in Numenor screech and fly off.
I'm so glad I stopped watching this show 30 minutes into episode 1 of season 1.
Watching a whole episode or season of this tripe would fill me with anger and frustration.
I am grateful to those who sacrifice their time and test their patience to provide these humorous critiques so that I can actually laugh at the absurdity.
Bro I read the trilogy every couple of years. U want to borrow my copy? It's the deluxe edition with all the maps and appendixes.
Morfyd Clarke's whispering and mumbling her lines is like watching Steven Seagal in his straight-to-dvd movies
I would pay to see Seagal say "There is a tempest in me."
@@Kyle-sr6jm He will just get a dub-over after running out of breath after 2 syllables
Seagal deserves an Oscar in comparsion
Steven Seagall can play every role on the rings of power and win the hearts of many.
No ts the bitch face and rrrrrrs elrrrrrrrond it’s cringe
"KARENdriel wants to speak to the manager, my Lord"...
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Random Ork
So I originally tried to say it that way. But it just didn't sound right
@@DarkHourYT nice try though 😎😉
"War is not hell. War is war and hell is hell and of the two war is alot worse."
The rolled r's is actually how it is supposed to be in Tolkien's stuff. Most r's were rolled in English, historically. *Not* rolling r's is actually a very recent, *very* unique feature of contemporary English. Look up a recording of a British person born in the 19th century speaking (like in a 1960's BBC interview for example). Many r's are rolled in Scots. The actress is Welsh, and the Welsh language has rolled r's, too.
The show is absolute ga~r~bage though, in any event💀💀💀💀💀
The rolling of R's is jarring and moronic because they only do it for names and that's not how accents work. You don't turn a language that took countless generations to evolve on and off like a light switch throughout a sentence. Only current-year pretentious dorks think pronouncing a single word with a foreign accent makes them sound cultured and worldly.
You have not lived till youve said Elrond Hubbard while rolling your Rs though
"current year pretentious dorks".
From God's mouth to your ear.
I'm in this picture and I don't like it
I think they do it because that's how Tolkien pronounced "Mordor" in an interview. I think if he'd realised at the time what it would lead to, he would have destroyed the tapes and maybe the interviewer.
@@jkdbuck7670 Pronounce it rolling the R's 😂
9:25 That was my first thought when I saw the those cave-ins. They're dwarves. Digging is their thing. It would be child's play to reopening those holes.
If you actually read Tolkien letter 43 it says “ I’ve always imagine the people of middle Earth as a bunch of doe eyed theatre students who have just stepped out of a Salon”
I'm so happy to find this online and know that I'm not the only Tolkien fan that's just completely heartbroken by this.
All of the classic traditional franchises and characters HAVE to be subversed. It's deliberate.
Yes thats 100% true ... Absolute evil villains dont exist anymore everybody has to be morally grey even pure heroes dont exist in "modern" medie ... Ill just stick to manga and anime
@roronoadzoro9429 Tolkien didn't deal in grey areas. He very much wrote and believed in moral absolutes. That's the fundamental issue with this show. If you make changes to character appearance, dialogue, it's not a huge deal. But to abandon the spirit of Tolkien's writing is a bad choice. That's why Peter Jackson's trilogy was so successful. He didn't do that.
@@roronoadzoro9429 if you're referring to Sauron, he isnt in the least bit morally grey in the show. He is still pure evil, and if you think otherwise then you bought into his deception
@@morganlefaye5699 yeah man, Jackson, the guy who cut the scouring of the Shire, definitely didn't also sacrifice any of Tolkien's spirit for the sake of adapting his work to the screen. There definitely weren't tons of people who sounded exactly like you when the movies came out except they were criticizing Jackson's work then.
History is a loop.
@asherking159 You completely lost me with the second half of that response
nobody has noticed how the swamp monster had huge fangs and teeth? there is no way you get eaten by that creature and get out of his belly without any wound.
at this point the orcs and the elves should work together to kill Sauron.
COMPLETE INSULT TO TOLKIEN
I love how almost all of the characters are racially ambiguous
Because of the very limited rights Amazon has to J.R.R. Tolkien’s material, this show could only ever be fan fiction, and, like most fan fiction, it’s a sloppy imitation that misses the point of the original work entirely.
They shouldn't even be trying then
No I don't think the rights are the problem. They could have just chosen way less characters to portray and actually made them interesting, that's it. I literally don't feel anything for any of the characters in this series ,they are completely soulles
@@daesdemona6173 Oh I feel something for them. Contempt.
@@daesdemona6173 They certainly *could* have written other, better characters in Middle Earth and told some good stories, but they still would have been disconnected from the canonical stories of Tolkien because they have to be - they don’t have those rights. So, again, it could only ever have been fan fiction.
There's enough information in the appendices (which is what they have the rights to use) to not have written things in a contradictory fashion both to the timeline and internally to the story. The appendices were perfect story starters or writing prompts, if you will.
Possibly you are missing something. That this idiocy was not corrected from one year to the next, shows that developers want to replace art with content. This deliberate dumbing down is intended to also dumb down the audience. That way art and artists can be replaced by mindless content for mindless viewers. We won't have to achieve or excel or progress or advance any more. We won't have to strive to meet ideals. That's too hard. We can all become happy vegetables.
that's a cool plan and all but it only works if people actually watch it
I really like the term "Word Assembler". It accurately describes what these people do, much more than "writer".
Start spreading the term
The writing credits on this show are stacked. Incredibly so in some cases. It's the showrunners that completely came out of nowhere. "Start spreading the term" holy inflated ego
The showrunners got the job most likely due to their recommendation from JJ Abrams. They also seemed pretty passionate about the project, they spoke elvish in the pitch meeting apparently, but that isn't enough to explain why two guys with literally zero credits were given a billion dollar franchise. It's insane how Abrams has that much influence.
Anyways point is you're placing the blame on the wrong people
@@asherking159 please point out these stacked writing rooms
@@DarkHourYT Jason Cahill, Gennifer Hutchison, and Justin Doble to name the more notable ones. There are some talented people in the writing rooms, that is a fact. If you want to argue whether their work is good or not, fine, or how much they contributed to their work, couldnt tell you I wasnt in the room, and each episode typically has a different writer, but I really think you're under-crediting these people like it's the first time they've ever put a pen to paper when they could easily write circles around both you and me and have the proof to back it up.
My point is that if anyone in the production is unqualified to be there, it is the showrunners, not the writers.
@@asherking159 Jason Cahill wrote two episodes
Gennifer Hutchinson co wrote two episodes and was an executive producer for season 1 only
Justin Doble wrote 3 episodes for season 1 .
2 of the 3 you mentioned have literally nothing to do with the writing room this season and the last one barely.
The Rings of Power is basically a low rent version representation of Tolkien's vision, occurring in a mirror universe where everything is guaranteed to turn to shit.
it is the Orc version probably.
@@florpodesta561 Leave it to companies like Amazon and Disney to take a franchise that people truly love and f@#$ it up with their woke agenda crap.
05:55 -- Remember how it was established in The Hobbit that trolls are sentient, speak fluent Westron, and turn to stone in the sunlight? I guess no one involved here read The Hobbit.
@@midlandredux they skimmed the wiki
You give them too much credit
I doubt they read anything.
Tolkien himself (sort of) retconned this. Olog-hai only speak in black speech and don’t turn to stone in sunlight. Is this troll an Olog-hai? He fits the description better than normal trolls, but Sauron created Olog-hai in the late third age, thousands of years after RoP takes place, so he technically shouldn’t be, but this show already does so much to mess with the timeline that it’s not unbelievable this is just another casualty of that.
If it’s done for the sake of something cool later then I’m all for it. Remains to be seen. Could just be a “oh oh *points at screen* I know that thing!” moment without any substance
@@midlandredux Tolkien retconned that, Olog-Hai are the only intelligent trolls. There are different breeds, the ones in the hobbit are mountain trolls and they’re dim witted. Mordor made a special breed of hill troll which is more intelligent.
Absolutely hilarious dude. Great video. The only good thing about this show is getting great content like this.
-The Black Forest is (I hope, cause else it's just a stupid thing the show made up) a play on the Ered Gorgoroth, given that in the Lore, Ered Gorgoroth (the Mountains of Terror) were infested with giant spiders and none entered there return alive. Aside Beren, the mortal man who fell in love with Luthien Tenuviel whom he saw dancing in a meadow of flowers (which coincidentally is how JRR met and fell in love with Edith), which is another slap in the face because the track from Bear mccreary is called "Shelob"...so now when you watch the movie Return of the King and see Shelob's eye scar, Dumbdur did it!
-Tar Miriel going with white is done as a jab at the people online who argued against the casting of Amanda Waller. IN the lore, the way Tolkien describes her is: "fairer than Silver, or Ivory or Pearls". So what better way to 'shut up' people complaining online about the interpretation that 'fair' means 'skintone' by chosing fair as 'prettier' and literally drape her in silver ivory pearls
-Fun fact a lot of animals can talk in Tolkien's world (like the bird that told Bard of laketown where to shoot Smaug), so if the Eagle of Manwë was there to 'choose' a real ruler and NOT Pharazon...why did it not speak up? Because the Great Eagles are capable of speech.
-While the interpretation of Bombadil's...interesting. I recall from the book he's an aloof nature spirit living in the Old Forest near the Shire. So what's he doing in the Easteling land of Rhún? And why is he teaching Istari in the SECOND AGE when they should be active in the third age!
-The fact the Barrow-Wights are here, during the Barrow Downs, is concerning, because in Lore (getting tired of me saying that yet?) they were infested by evil spirits (therefor creating the Barrow-Wights of the Barrow Downs) when the Witch-King of Angmar (yes, the 'I have the strongest Ring of the Nine, No MAN can Kill me'...THAT WITCH-KING) commanded them just to further destroy the kingdom of Arnor (which last capital was Cardolan)...so why are there spirits here? If these are evil spirits, why did the Witch King infest the graves...since they're already infested...
-the Mud Monster is called "one of the fouler things than Orcs hidden in the deep places of the Earth" (you know, like the Watcher and other monstrosities). So "deep places" means 'foot deep' in a swamp somewhere.
-Galadriel (the real one, not this Karrrren rrrrrolling herrrr rrrrrrs) with Nenya could level Dol Guldur with a mere gesture. Just saying, she was already a 'girlboss' but actually a girl, not this...whatever this shit is.
But at least Feminem the Slim Lady moth lady...wasn't in this...oh wait
I might need to hire you as a lore consultant
@@DarkHourYT you'd be better of finding someone else. I'm entry level
@@LightingbladeShen that's better than me I've seen the movies and listen to my friend Little Platoon
There are better lore folks then platoon. @@DarkHourYT
@@DarkHourYT it's better than the writers
Absolutely brilliant video and breakdown. Very witty names and fantastic use of humor had me rolling.
Thank you. I did similar videos for Acolyte. Commercials and everything that's where it all started for that
Your nicknames for people (esp. rice paper and bagel) had me rollin. Keep up the great content.
The best part besides the commercials is coming up with names
@@DarkHourYT Yup, you have to do something to keep yourself distracted and sane.
Very well done .., quite liked the nicknames for these characters .. right on the nose !!
So I do that because with minor characters I often forget or they didn't even have names so instead of breaking the process I just use nicknames
03:54 -- The most powerful people in this pre-industrial society are meeting in a grubby tavern instead of dining in a hall with the finest, freshest food and drink prepared by trustworthy servants? Is this Numenor or Springfield, Illinois?
@@midlandredux would that make Mordor Detroit?
@@DarkHourYTrhun
@@DarkHourYT Would that make Eowyn RoboCop?
@@CTimmerman 🤔
tl;dr: rant about why the youtuber's analysis of this scene is garbage and that you have been sold a lie
First of all, I want to start by directly refuting the youtubers disingenuous description of the scene. They were not discussing a coup in view of loyal soldiers to the queen, there was *one* soldier, he was off duty, and *hiding behind a pillar mostly out of sight eavesdropping*
This is what I find so frustrating about videos like these. Most of you dont even watch the show and just enjoy shitting on it, sure, more power to you, genuinely I mean that, but it opens the door for guys like this to exaggerate issues or just straight up fabricate problems in the show just so he has more content to shit on, and none of you even notice because it's established in your minds the show is capable of being just that bad. This is no different than cinema sins cringe and I'm hoping most of you realize this eventually just like you did with cinema sins.
Now to refute the comment I'm replying under. I can tell you with 100% certainty this commenter has not seen the show for themself, because Valandil, the soldier loyal to the Queen, walks up to the table and comments on how it is odd that they are dining in such a grubby tavern. That is literally the first thing he says (after greeting Isildur's sister).
"You know, I thought Guilds-folk preferred to keep to the more fashionable part of town. What are you doing in the Old Quarter?"
You are correct in assuming it is odd, commentor, because it is. That is what the show is conveying to you.
Pharazon rebuttles with "We came here to bury a King." an obvious lie hidden within a truth, but Pharazon wasn't aware Valandil was eavesdropping, but it gives more credence as to why they're discussing the coup in this tavern at all, and the subtext of it. It's convenient under this guise and also builds on Pharazon and his cohorts vile nature. They are using the previous King's death as a springboard to advance their own political power. They're not really there to honor his death, but to discuss ways to usurp his Queen.
Some of you may say "Dumb of them to do it in public still!" well when Pharazon's son walks up to Valandil and Valandil postures in a threatening stance towards him, all of the folk in the tavern turn or stand to face Valandil in retaliation, which should've told you that all these people are loyal to Pharazon if they're willing to defend his son like that.
So to fully deconstruct this scene, they are discussing a coup in a tavern full of people loyal to Pharazon under the guise of being in that area due to the King's burial. Valandil has no ability to arrest them for treason here, which is meant to show you how weak the Queen's power and her influence on her people is, so when Pharazon does seize the throne later in the episode, it is believable.
This is what I mean. The youtuber either intentionally misconstrued this entire scene to sell the narrative that it's shit and that every character is a moron and the writers are too, or he completely was not paying attention to not even just the subtext of the scene, but also the actual words of dialogue that were being spoken. This the type of guy to complain about "show dont tell!!!" then still miss the point even when the show is spelling it out for him.
Kind of an aside, but did you know some of the writers/producers of RoP come from shows like Fringe, Breaking bad and Better Call Saul, Stranger Things, and The Sopranos? But no man they all must be dumb as bricks making the worst thing ever.
Do you still think it's dumb they would discuss a coup at all not behind closed doors? If you think that well then that still negates this comment complaining about not being in a dining hall. It would be even more dumb to do it there.
There are 100% scenes in this show worthy of criticism and being absolutely torn apart. This is not one of them, and neither are most of the other scenes in this video. It is padded out with fabricated, psuedo-intellectual nonsense for the sake of selling you content. If someone wants me to, and if given the time it would take, I would go step by step and explain why most every other scene analysis in this video is also hot garbage.
You all are being farmed by low effort youtubers. I am too technically since I'm here engaging with it
I try to like the show, but there are sooo many times when I have to say aloud "this is poorly written by either very stupid or very careless people"
Great review. Very entertaining. I’m subscribing.
I appreciate how this commentary is strictly about how bad the show is just from a storytelling perspective. There's no angst about ruining Tolkein's legacy. Just an objective perspective of this show being a complete dumpster fire all on it's own. Who keeps hiring these writters?! Did no one even go to film school!?!
@@Did-Eye-Ask word assemblers*
@@Did-Eye-Ask but yeah I figured that was the best approach
Pretty sure the writers were hired from Craigslist.
So they were paid with a used coffee table?
They didn't even hire actors that look like their characters. The failed right at the beginning.
Yeah someone Elrond looked younger as an older elf in the beginning of fellowship
9:05 actually this is something fairly common under Socialist rule.
Being Polish I would say we learned about governments doing similar things IRL even 1st hand.
Still weird to think Dwarves would have Socialist government... heh.
First of all Cześć. You'd think dwarves would actually be a meritocracy through and through. You dig the best you're rewarded with more jewels, metal, etc.
@@DarkHourYT Yup, Siemanko :D
And yes: I always imagined them as highly pragmatic and meritocratic. Likely with appreciation for both raw strength and ingenuity in terms of technology.
Hard to say if they would have any strong similarity to real life political scheme, but I would imagine that due to also being rather strongly family oriented (even in a wider family) they would likely follow semi-monarchical structure with indeed a King in the center but also various clans co-ruling with likely own domains with own secrets (trade or otherwise) and influence.
Ugh, it is painful since Dwarf culture in many setting and Tolkien especially are VERY intriguing and easy to make both complex and interesting - while still making sense in universe. Like: I did once talk at length with some other RPG enthusiasts about any possibility of Black Dwarves aside literal supernatural curse as it happens in DnD for example. What I came with was: well what about Volcano Dwarves or at least ones living in caverns with immense natural Lava flow in vast caverns? Not only being dark-skinned would be very logical but also imagine all the possibilities for different capabilities in technology! Heh.. making them mundane, or even worse: stupid, is frankly a sin.
You ain’t gotta bring Rufio into this travesty. He didn’t deserve that at all.
Ru-fi-ooooooooooo! Bangarang!
13:21 I think the comment here misses the point. Canonically Elves roll their r's so the actress is doing as directed. Tolkien says his use of R in their language "represents a trilled r in all positions; the sound was not lost before consonants".
The problem is that she, and almost everyone else in the show pronounces it very self consciously and awkwardly in a way you would not expect from someone speaking their own language (Galadriel even rolls her r awkwardly when saying her own name in s1).
The result is jarring precisely because it doesn't sound like eg a native Spanish speaker, but like a Brit poorly imitating their accent
They also only use it for Sauron really.
@@DarkHourYT thats right, or perhaps only use it for names of people and places. Which is another thing that takes you out of the scene - why is it sauRrron but not paRrrty? Is this the way the language works, the character's accent, what is it?
Morfydd Clarke is Welsh and a Welsh speaker, so I think it is safe to assume she is very, very comfortable rolling R's (a feature of Welsh phonology). This makes me think the sheer awkwardness of the rolled R's comes down to the direction 💀
@@fropbinglecram8321 this sounds right to me!
I am Asian but wtf is with the Asian elf? Omg that really takes me out of the show
Exactly! You don’t get modern metropolitan mixing of races without fast means of travel!
Oh. Wait…
@@triciacarr5019race mixing has nothing to do with fast travel. It is from groups immigrating. You think people are just like popping over to Africa on a weekend flight and getting knocked up and then coming home? Most of the black population in the US came here on sailing ships. Transportation makes mass immigration easier but it doesn't cause it, and in the right circumstances they will immigrate anyway. A lot of the people entering the US and Europe are walking there, or sailing on small boats. To create an ethnically diverse population you need a significant number of people of different genetic backgrounds to move into a region. And they need to keep coming in, or the groups need to maintain strict separation and not interbreed, or over a few generations they will all just be the same color but a few shades darker than they were before the immigrants came. Where exactly in Middle Earth did the Asian and Black elves immigrate from? Or are we just going to pretend that the gods created life in a pleasingly diverse spectrum of features and just kind of mixed them all together at random all over the world?
@@justforever96 Did not mean ‘mixing’ as you took it. Meant, you don’t get a New York street, with people from all over the globe (NOT their ancestors, themselves) without modern transport.
Way to step on the punchline of my “oh wait they DO have game ‘fast travel’” joke…
What bothers me the most about that is that they won't have that same diversity in media portraying, let's say Nazis... Or African slaves in America.
So long as it's some type of living creature described as having exclusively fair and pale skin, there will always be diversity inclusions UNLESS the characters are either supposed to be exclusively black or exclusively "bad".
"What kind of deranged mountain goat thinks sitting on a food reserve while his whole population dies..." Well, we could look to the reign of Luis XV of France, who is widely suspected of aggravating the famines suffered at the time to jack up the price of the grain reserves he controlled. He was also the guy who said "After me, the deluge!" and the next to last king. Suffice to say, the popularity of monarchical forms of government didn't survive him...
@@LuisNunes-ps4sl he was Le chèvre de montagne
@@DarkHourYT Not that the numbskulls writing this dreck ever heard the story, ofc, unless their families made a few bucks off the deals back then 😉😉
Suspected. That's the operative word. He also had a ton of people who really hated him and wanted anything to inflame the peasantry against him. Rumors like that usually appear in any famine situation anyway. Don't believe everything you read just because it confirms your own biases. Half of "history" is bullshit and speculation anyway.
In the cases I do know of where grain reserves were not used, it usually had more to do with uncertainty how long the famine would be and whether the need would be even more desperate later, or just a failure to find adequate transportation to distribute the stuff. How exactly do you hand out thousands of tons of grain to millions of people? Where do you get the carts, and the workers, who keeps track of distribution and who had gotten what? But yes much easier to just say it was an evil plot to inflate the grain prices. Because super high prices that no one can actually afford is always the best way to get profits.
"Talentless narcissist who follow corporate agendas" Spot on!
The tiny cutscene from Vacation, with them swimming in the fetid pool, was gold.
16:49 Hi! I actually have an answer to that! It's not necessarily each barrow wights blade can kill their respective wight, rather the Barrow Downs are the graves of men who fought against Angmar. Angmar was a nation that was led by the Witch King and he used wights as soldiers. The men enchanted their blades with essentially anti-wight magic, but after being buried the Witch King thought it'd be a funny f-u to make them into wights. So yes, while it does seem mighty convientent, the show isn't too far off the mark lore-wise...!
...However...
That does point out something else that's painful to realize. The Witch King made the barrow wights...you know, the guy who was turned into a wraith by one of the rings of power? The ones that uh...haven't been forged yet..?
They could've said in the script a little better like "the blades buried here are enchanted to hurt them" these are basics of writing give the audience the information in the most efficient way
@@DarkHourYT at 30:27 in episode 4, right after they kill the wights, Elrond says, "According to lore, only the blades with which they were buried will return such creatures to rest." Did you even watch this show man? He literally almost turns straight to the camera and says that, I felt like I was being talked down to by the writers, like I wasnt smart enough to figure that out unless they verbally explained it to me then and there, but somehow even that was not enough for you I guess.
Like that scene is so stilted and awkward because the actors clearly aren't comfortable fighting with cgi monsters, and Elrond literally expositing lore to the audience right after killing the wights is borderline hilarious (this was your idea too apparently, but yeah you're so much more competent than these writers lmao), and yet your critique is hung up on a detail you actually got wrong because you weren't paying attention. Come on man
and to reply to the original comment, Galadriel implies Sauron is the one who raised the wights. Which makes sense, they happened to be buried where the elves would send their messengers through, thereby allowing him more time to continue forging the rings. It's just to fit in with their whole "Sauron is awakening evil all across middle earth to further incentivize people rely on his rings to save them" thing they've got going. Sauron creating problems then selling people the solution.
I think the Witch King angle is way cooler too, and without it the blades being able to kill the wights lacks its irony, but I can see what they're going for. It's not without purpose, up to you if you think it was the correct creative decision or not
@@asherking159 at 16:49 you'll hear that i ask "how do the elves know which specfic blade each one was buried with?" Did you even watch my video man? I literally talk right to you and explain my issue with this line. Turns out that it's cause it's poorly explained in the show itself but yeah your observation skills are so much better than mine that you can't even figure that out.
@@DarkHourYT oh yep, fair enough. Shouldve watched that part of your video if I wanted to talk about this with full context, I just was so taken out by all the previous bad takes I tapped out of the video at around 10 mins
I think we actually agree on this scene. That was wrong of me to assume you made such an oblivious mistake here. My bad. Still doesn't change my other criticisms of this video from the parts I did watch though.
I billion dollars yeah right. It cost hundred bucks at best
Your humor is the only thing that makes Rings of Power even mildly interesting. I couldn't get past Rice Paper without laughing.
Much appreciated I do try to make these as entertaining as I can
“The word assemblers” is a great way to put it.
I made that up I think like a year ago?
The industry was worried about AI writing scripts. I can safely say this show would be better if AI wrote the script. Seriously Payne and McKay need to be stopped.
You do a good job digging up all these random clips to emphasize your points. That must take a lot of work. I know very successful creators who mostly just use the same exact clips over and over, i appreciate that you actually put in the effort to get some variety.
@@justforever96 thank you quality is key
😂😂😂he just leaves them so they could go back to discussing their coup?
Subbed bc of the livestream that‘s going on just now.
Great content and comforting voice.
Keep up the good work. 🙏🤩💯
It's a baritone the best vocal range 😆
That isn't even nearly true. The people who wrote this have quite a ways to go before they could be considered smart enough to be called dumbasses. As it stands they're beneath window lickers, because even those are completely sentient.
I’m dying laughing at all your nicknames! I’m following immediately
TROP...
Made for the mentally challenged.
Aka the Modern audience
I found your channel after hearing the Critical Drinker call her Galadridumb and credited you for it. Funny stuff. Great start to your channel! Best of luck to you!
Thank you man yeah that was a bit of a shock for Drinker to FINALLY admit he's been ripping me off 😂
You can smell the stupidity of the writer's faces through the internet
Just came across this channel. This is pure genius. I want to clip some of this and share it on a channel. I have to let other people see this cause this is amazing. Whoever owes the channel. Let me know if that’s cool thanks.
Omfg is this show TRYING to be as terrible as possible
I just found my new favorite tv critic. Thanks Ring of Powers
Aww shucks
I watched BSUP yesterday and seeing you before on other channels I thought you must have more subs already. Congrats on the 10k! Keep up the good work!
You know a lot of people think I'm more established then I actually am because I'm on things like Open Bar. I just made it a habit of punching above my weight class. But I appreciate that you're here now.
I am waiting the episode where the harfoots will perform racial purification resulting what we see in the original movie
jesus christ man
How can this be a 1 billion show ... 70% of that to buy off the critics, 25% to the visual effects and the remaining 5% to practical effects and wages?
The blades were forged by the Dunedain for the wars against the Witch King of Angmar. That's why Pippins sword works on the WK in TROTK. I'm sure the show didn't explain that though.
The show barely even said what happened in the scene
@@DarkHourYT I gave up on it already this season. They had better lore with the appendices than all this bs.
@@derikc24 well I'll be Adar and bear the burden for you.
TIME LINE!!!!! the war against the WKoA hasn't even happened yet!!! This show is ridiculous. What's sad is seeing otherwise intelligent, creative, even writers of fiction, defend this miscarriage.
BRILLANT!!!
Critical Drinker recommended you and he was right - you are good 👍
I'm literally going to watch this show through multiple TH-cam channels instead of actually watching the show. Cry about it.
My heart fills with joy when I see a man working so hard. Keep it up.
Told you I would show up.
one of the most accurate and funny roasts out there
I try to be to the point in a round about way
It began with the forging of the Great Rings. Three were given to the Black Lives Matter, immortal, wisest and fairest of all beings. Seven to the Transgender-Lords, great miners and craftsmen of the mountain halls. And nine, nine rings were gifted to the race of LGBTQ+, who above all else desire power. For within these rings was bound the strength and the will to govern each race. But they were all of them deceived, for another ring was made. Deep in the land of Mordor, in the Fires of Mount White, the Dark Lord White Straight guy forged a master ring, and into this ring he poured his cruelty, his malice and his will to dominate all life.
Got to hear about you from the pod with the critic and platoon. Awesome video I'm subbed now. Yall hit the button
Drinker, Platoon, Cynic and Echo have all helped give me much larger platform so I felt it fitting to say thank you with all four of them on. I was nervous I didn't want to come off as sappy or anything but those guys are as authentic as it comes
I submitted a 1/2 star on rotten tomatoes. I also suggested that Bezos look into the finances of his entertainment directors. See if anyone bought a super yacht (or large amounts of cryptocurrency?) to find out where the rest of his 1/2 billion went . Sure didn't go into writing or plot development. Do some of the scenery shots look like enlarged photos to anyone else?
Good work. Well edited and presented.
This is an AI script. You can list the shows and movies it was given to “scrape”. Stop talking about “writers” and “billion $”. All of this is Amazon talking points.
I'm not even sure if what you just said is English.
The question is: will the ai get better and take in the bad critic and learn from it and produce better and better shows? Maybe by season 4 of rings of powers things will start to make sense or we are just brain washed.. AI will eventually take over everything and no, no jobs are safe. everything you can apply to human labor can be handled by AI combined with robotics so what we will experience in the future is mass unemployment, has already started in the IT industry. then we are introduced into a contribution society to try to maintain some form of structure in the consumption society we have created because currency is the last thing we want to abandon, but even money's value will eventually become insignificant when it is given out every month freely. Some countries will ofc handle the big change better then others but its important that the change is incredible fast, we cant linger with one fot in the value and the other in freedom (if we do, there will be chaos). The longer the gap remains open the more the population divides.
@@mikemike87650 that is a good question, it would depend on the AI being fed the critique.
@@Pdotta1 season 2 is atleast less bad then the first season? its to early to say 😀 maybe some feeding going on.
@@Pdotta1 I think AI learn because episode 5 was actually pretty ok?
I knew this was a dumbass show @ season 1 episode 1. They climb an icesheet, enter an ice cave so cold that even the torches fail to give off heat. Still no characters can produce 1 steamy breath. Nice going Amazon.
Moronatar is beautiful. I would have gone Dissabetes. And I just call the sister “Boobs”. Least they have boobs in the show. Most of the time these days they just get taped up.
I stand for boob representation!
Barrow-Wights are the bodies of men presumably inhabited by spirits of long-slain Avari, spirits who refused the summons to the Halls of Mandos. The lore is completely ignored here.
Barrow blades were originally wrought by smiths of Arthedain in the middle of the Third Age as daggers for use in the wars with Angmar. They are blades used to fight the Wights, not carried by them. They were buried in a barrow in Tyrn Gorthad along with the last prince of Cardolan, who fell in battle with Angmar. So it is ridiculous to assume that the Barrow-Wights’ own blades would be the only weapons that could kill them. Barrow-blades had not yet been forged.
You should be able to to destroy the vessel that contains the spirits. Fire usually does the trick.
Bewbs
I miss single mom strong leader boobs where did she/they go?
This made my day. Subscribing meow
Edit: I am Navajo, how do I know Diné (Navajo tribe) you have to be from the southwest most likely AZ
I'm actually from New Jersey. I just trained the accent out over the years.
Hardest 6 hrs EVER… and I don’t mean this show
You got hard for this? Call your doctor.😂
What do you mean
@@jasongarcia2140 him watching me with his wife, mother and daughter.
lmao yeah wait wtf does this guy even mean I'm so curious
@@darthkek1953 man was rock solid all 6 hours hahaha
I gotta say, I do believe that was the best mid stream ad I've ever seen. 10/10 did not skip over it.
I had some bangers during Acolyte to and the next video is gonna have a really special one
I use StringHair and Tumbleweed. Why Bagel?
Cause she's Poppy Seed Bagel and she's doughy
@@DarkHourYT Oh, that’s good. I’ve had to avoid poppy seeds for so long, I forgot they put them on bagels (it’s a droog test thing)
"You have not seen the things that I have seen" dialogue improved by ChatGPT as follows
Galadriel: "You deem that you have seen much, Elrond, but the shadows I have known are deeper still."
Elrond: "My years have not been idle, Lady. I have borne witness to many griefs and dark tidings, long have I walked the paths of sorrow."
Galadriel: "Yet the darkness that I speak of is older than the stones beneath our feet, wrought in the ancient fires of the world’s first malice. You have not gazed into the void as I have, nor felt its cold touch upon your spirit. Your trials, though great, have not led you to the depths where I have wandered."
Now seriously, just let ChatGPT write the next 3 seasons.
So many haters the rings of power is the best cinema ever produced. Especially That scene guyladriel Become bowmaster, that she surpassed the legendary legolas himself. i literally cry in that scene What a show!
umm.. she was already better than legolas because she was born female presenting and had to put up with that horrid elven patriarchy that was just brought about because of silly magic from the grey havens and even had to go thru the humiliation ritual of marrying that chud celeborn.... and her real bae sauron had to teach celebrimbor about alloys so ha elvish men... wow.. i took that joke a little too far
Oh, come on…… you don’t have to sugar coat it!?! Tell us how you really feel?!? Lmao
This portrayal of Tolkien's world couldn't be worse even if Kamala and the federal government made it. Probably.
Good metaphor, considering that Kamala is already considering super woke
Buy a pint to the Drinker.
Saw you on a panel - love your takes. Subscribed, sir!
@@Tru3_Detective oh which one if you don't mind me asking? Open Bar, BSUP, and the Echo Chamber are my three most frequent
@@DarkHourYT BSUP and Echo Chamberlain's before that I believe! You were with TLP each time, I remember that part for certain.
Edit* I'm a bit late to drinker's stuff, only fell into all of this in recent months.
@@Tru3_Detective I'm the producer of BSUP now. You'll see me pretty much every week over there
@@DarkHourYT Nice, and congratulations, man! The riffing is great - the general vibe feels like the 48 Hours movies to me but I can't really pinpoint exactly why
So, they go from Mordor the Pelargir in les then 1 episode... that's weeks of travel...
I snorted coffee out my nose when you said 'Moronotaur'....well done
I bounce between the two Moron and Moronatar
The reason this entire series is such a shame is that with that money and with as little quality entertainment there is, this had such great potential. They HAD to ruin it just like they have ruined every other IP. As a life-long nerd, they've infected every.. single.. F'n IP I grew up loving. Star Wars, Star Trek, Doctor Who, Marvel, DC, Indiana Jones, Lord of the Rings.. every great IP. All for "the message". What they fail to understand is that we play video games and watch movies and series to escape from whatever the latest political message is. I'm certain that, they just can't help themselves.
Political messages were always present in these, you just didnt realize it because you were a *child* . Lucas has straight up said verbally that Nixon and the Vietnam war directly inspired his original trilogy, and there are clear parallels to Bush's administration in the prequels. I'm sorry to eviscerate your childhood like this, but you gotta face reality man. And if you weren't a child when some of these came out and still didnt realize it, yikes dude
@@asherking159 Loosely using modern goings on as a basis for a story and injecting modern politics directly into entertainment are two totally different things. Inspired by and directly using aren’t the same thing. Back then, people didn’t want to or need to know every actor’s and director’s political beliefs and were left to draw their own conclusions. It’s called nuance, look it up.
@@prongATO here we go. Always the same here. Shifting the goalposts from "Pure escapism absent of the latest political message" to "No no, back then it was nuanced and loosely based, so it was okay." First off, you're wrong, Lucas could not have been more on the nose about his politics. They're called stormtroopers ffs. Also I would just love to point out one of your beloved franchises, Star Trek, was so far ahead of its time back in the 60's on minority representation in pop culture. I can guarantee you there were people who sounded exactly like you back then too, complaining about "the message"
Secondly, your statement "Loosely using modern goings on as a basis for a story and injecting modern politics directly into entertainment are two totally different things" is incorrect. You just described the exact same thing but applied different connotations to it, making one sound positive and the other negative.
"Back then, people didn’t want to or need to know every actor’s and director’s political beliefs and were left to draw their own conclusions."
It's the same shit different day man. You've just gotten older and have learned to recognize these things better, and instead of going back and re-examining what the political climate looked like in the 70's or 80's, it's a lot easier to pinpoint modern politics that are fresh in your mind.
I agree with you that most of these franchises have been absolutely run into the ground and suck now, but "the message" is not the reason why
Celebrimbor- "...these will be rings of power". Hey, did he just say the thing! Damn, these writers are just to subtle for us mere mortals to follow.
Amazon is an online shop. They don’t care about making a good show, or streaming service. They want to sell shit to people.
That being said, I’ve not watched a single episode of this show. All the recaps out there, but not one episode.
From day one of its announcement, I knew it was going to be butchered, utterly.
It is my favorite universe, I know the lore as if it were actual history (the intention of Tolkien of the lore was for one to read it through the eyes of a historian).
They had the ability to make a great show, without a doubt. They didn’t care to. Cause controversy, media reels, and article headlines with “Amazon’s..” as the first word of the article.