My Stratoliner does the same thing though not as extreme. The rear follows a similar pattern. Luckily my tires wear out sufficiently quick that I can keep track of the situation. 😂
Spend $34k out the door on a new bike and Honda is STILL carrying forward brake problems and recalls from '01-'17... "Hey Honda!!!!,, All you have to do is sandwhich a piece of baloney between 2 slices of bread and squeeze how hard is that!!!" Brakes have been on things for 200 years now!!😅😅😅
so on page 13 on the honda goldwing (2021) it says brake recoil is normal...this happens alot coming off the highway ramp to me on front brake ..it recoils forward...any reason WHY this is NORMAL...there is plenty of braking power it just recoils forward then when in the city trAFFIC IF BRAKES normal...
@@Traxxion the front brake lever pulls forward ...back pressure ...the word recoil is how it is written in the manual..this is taken right from the manual ."The brake lever and pedal may recoil" slightly when applying the brakes. This is normal.
@@timaddams1880 I am 99% certain that is related to the Linked Brake System, and the Anti-Lock Brake System master control module energizing the system.
I just replaced my front brake pads on my 2018 Honda DCT Tour. I have owned it for about 8 months and ride it pretty hard. It has 10,600 miles on it. On the right side the inside pad was worn badly while the other 3 pads are in good shape just like your video. I replaced all 4 pads. After reading all the comments below I guess that it may not happen again but I think I will bring it to Honda's attention. I saved all 4 pads that I pulled off. I appreciate you putting out this video.
I just checked the pads on my 2022 the other day when I was doing a service on it. I have 5k miles and pad wear is good so far. There is just a bit more wear in the inner pads but not anything out of normal. I will keep an eye on them.
Just changed mine yesterday…right caliper inside pad ZERO pad left. Started hearing grinding and feeling vibration when applying front brakes, did a visual And it was easy to see outside pads, plenty of wear left there. Continued intermittently through the week so I figured I’d pull them. Sho-nuf, GONE! Easy enough to pull and check so that will be part of my regular maintenance plan. For ref: 2018DCT Tour w/airbag, 20k miles.
Hi max my 2018 had the same issue . On inspection I found the inner pad jamming in the calliper. A light file on the ears and it was fine . The new pads also fitted fine . I guess they had some out of spec pads. Hope this helps you guys
so watched the video, great vid, did and inspection this looked to be a problem on my bike too. dismantled both calipers to examine and measure pads. 19,000 kms on my bike. all 4 pads were worn the same amount. cleaned all and re-assembled.
Every motorcycle and truck I have ever owned has had uneven brake pad wear. Sticky calipers are very tricky to get right. I would look closely at corrosion on the Pistons. You can pop them out with an air gun and clean with steel wool and brake fluid. Never let anything other than brake fluid contact the square cut seal. Use very light coat of soap based hi-temp brake grease on reassembly.
These are brand new bikes. Pistons have been made of stainless steel for a long time on motorcycles so they don't corrode. The calipers post mount to the fork and don't float. This problem isn't maintenance related.
And... No do it yourselves should be so deep into brakes on a new wing that they have to remove the Pistons. 99% will never ever have the system bleed correctly ever again. Linked, ABS brake systems are not for home owners to work on.🎤
Opposing pistons are always applying pressure on the 2018+ Goldwing. There is never a possibility of imbalance. th-cam.com/video/z3IGITZ9zS8/w-d-xo.html
I just did a maintenance on my 2018 Goldwing and I was informed I have 30%-40% left on front and 20%!!! on rear. This shocked me because the bike has only 4K miles on it and I never had such problem on my other bikes. My last one was Indian Springfield with 16K miles on it and all pads were at 40% wear.
Radially mounted calipers must be centered exactly at the centerline of the brake disc. If they are not, uneven brake wear can be the result. This can be easily checked by a close inspection. I had the same issue with my 2016 Triumph Thruxton R. A smart mechanic at the Triumph dealer realigned the calipers to the brake disc. If there is some wiggle room where the calipers are mounted to the bottom of the fork leg, one can loosen the caliper bolts on each side, firmly squeeze the front brake leaver while retightening the calipers bolts...a two person job. Closely follow the caliper bolt torque specs. My thoughts.
Virtually all radiant mounted calipers are located on precision machined dowels. There is no alignment at all. Not even a tiny amount. They are perfectly aligned.
Read a pdf article and it says from a wing rider to engine brake more than needing to use your brakes often when slowing down, THEN use your brakes, or if your a manual rider, downshift.
35k on the bike. Replaced pads twice and both had excessive wear on the left inside pad. It was almost to the metal while the outer had 50% remaining. - Doug
@@Traxxion In both brake change-outs it was only the left-side-caliper inward (or inside) pad that had excessive wear. The other three pads were fine. I considered ONLY REPLACING the BAD-PAD but my safety-conscious-brain just wouldn't go for it. I replaced all four pads both times. I find no obstruction or problem with the pistons or pads; they seem to move just fine within the housing. I assume it is uneven pressure between the two sides of the left brake caliper. - Doug
@@dougwhite3059 I have heard of right calipers messing up, thanks for letting me know your bike is doing it on the left. I have only heard of inboard pads being eaten up though. Not sure what it means yet, but since the calipers are rigid mounted, it must mean that there is a tolerancing problem with the seal grooves. And note, it can be the OPPOSITE of what you might think. People think the worn pad has pistons sticking out. But it can be the unworn side is stuck and not moving out onto the rotor with proper pressure.
@@Traxxion Thanks, Max. I'll just replace the bad one when it gets low again. Big savings given the price of these pads. Hey! I love your sidestand pad! Works great. Can you work on a replacement foot pad for the 8,000 mile ones Honda uses? Mine wear out at the tip where the Honda metal curves up; way too soft. - Doug
Thanks for that demo, I am noticing excessive amount of brake dust on my rear wheel as well. I will have to check the pads all around. Very strange that you can't get 30K miles on a set of pads? I have 5500 on my bike and I am concerned, especially since the pad changes as quite expensive for the amount of wear. Keep up the good work,, and hope the hand is healing.
Max, Yamaha had a similar problem with the REAR Cal on the Royal Star bikes. They found that the Cal was not applying the same amount of pressure to the pads. the Solution was to shim one side of the cal so that the cal was then even on both sides . I dont know if this could be the same problem with the Wing or not but if you check with one of the long time V Star Royal Star forums they can shed more light on this problem. This would also be a Honda problem as I see it, Please keep up the great work. Mike/Turtle
I believe this is one that owners need to bring to their dealer's/Honda's attention so that it can be addressed. I think it is worthy of a product update or recall. It is BAD for a caliper to apply more pressure to one side of the pads. This can warp the rotor, and braking efficiency is significantly reduced.
@@Traxxion Max, Yamaha's reply to this problem was to place two flat washers behind the Caliper and that solved the problem . But if Honda's calipers are not floaters not sure what can be done. Mike/Turtle
@@robertcadiz5561 since the calipers are rigid mounted, it must mean that there is a tolerance problem with the seal grooves. And note, it can be the OPPOSITE of what you might think. People think the worn pad has pistons sticking out. But it can be the unworn side is stuck and not moving out onto the rotor with proper pressure.
@@Traxxion Max, I have to agree with you there being a fixed caliper would not cause the same problems Yamaha had so your thoughts about the un-even pressure seems to be the likely problem. hope it can be resolved soon.. mike/turtle
I just replaced my tire and checked my front brake pads. At 12,000 miles my front left inside pad has worn excessively more than the outer one. I figure it has maybe 2,000 miles left on it if that. The right side was even on both pads. I will go down to the local dealer and see what they recommend.
That's the problem... there's nothing you can "do". Honda needs to be made aware of this problem. You should take your bike for your dealer to see and document the problem.
I had a really bad cyst in the Lunate bone in my wrist. It's the middle bone. They had to cut it open, clean out the bone, then cut the head off of my radius and flip that up into the hole, as they need a big piece of bone with active blood supply. Then they filled the hole in my radius with donor bone. So that's why I have been "off the air" for a few weeks!
As expensive as those pads are they may be doing it on purpose. I would be interested to see if they ever cover this under warranty. (I seriously doubt it.) The good news; if it continues, there will be plenty of cheaper alternatives soon.
same thing happened on my 2013 gl1800B. I was surprised that the issue still happening in my 2018B
My Stratoliner does the same thing though not as extreme. The rear follows a similar pattern. Luckily my tires wear out sufficiently quick that I can keep track of the situation. 😂
Spend $34k out the door on a new bike and Honda is STILL carrying forward brake problems and recalls from '01-'17...
"Hey Honda!!!!,, All you have to do is sandwhich a piece of baloney between 2 slices of bread and squeeze how hard is that!!!" Brakes have been on things for 200 years now!!😅😅😅
Yep...I'm having the same problem...I have less than 5K miles on my bike and the brakes are squealing...
Great information. TY
You bet!
so on page 13 on the honda goldwing (2021) it says brake recoil is normal...this happens alot coming off the highway ramp to me on front brake ..it recoils forward...any reason WHY this is NORMAL...there is plenty of braking power it just recoils forward then when in the city trAFFIC IF BRAKES normal...
What do you mean by brake recoil?
@@Traxxion the front brake lever pulls forward ...back pressure ...the word recoil is how it is written in the manual..this is taken right from the manual ."The brake lever and pedal may recoil"
slightly when applying the brakes. This is
normal.
@@timaddams1880 I am 99% certain that is related to the Linked Brake System, and the Anti-Lock Brake System master control module energizing the system.
I just replaced my front brake pads on my 2018 Honda DCT Tour. I have owned it for about 8 months and ride it pretty hard. It has 10,600 miles on it. On the right side the inside pad was worn badly while the other 3 pads are in good shape just like your video. I replaced all 4 pads. After reading all the comments below I guess that it may not happen again but I think I will bring it to Honda's attention. I saved all 4 pads that I pulled off. I appreciate you putting out this video.
Please share my Channel with your Wing buddies!
My rear brake pads feel really loose. I just had my brakes done. They should be firm in place right?
They do "float" on a pin and in the caliper body. But there should be a spring on them that holds them from rattling.
I just checked the pads on my 2022 the other day when I was doing a service on it. I have 5k miles and pad wear is good so far. There is just a bit more wear in the inner pads but not anything out of normal. I will keep an eye on them.
Discovered this at twelve thousand miles on my first tire change. Fact of life. Pads don’t wear even. New Goldwings suck and Honda won’t come clean.
Just changed mine yesterday…right caliper inside pad ZERO pad left. Started hearing grinding and feeling vibration when applying front brakes, did a visual And it was easy to see outside pads, plenty of wear left there. Continued intermittently through the week so I figured I’d pull them. Sho-nuf, GONE! Easy enough to pull and check so that will be part of my regular maintenance plan.
For ref: 2018DCT Tour w/airbag, 20k miles.
What about the rear brakes?
I have never heard of a problem with the rear brakes, which further demonstrates it was defective front caliper parts causing this problem.
Hi max my 2018 had the same issue . On inspection I found the inner pad jamming in the calliper. A light file on the ears and it was fine . The new pads also fitted fine . I guess they had some out of spec pads. Hope this helps you guys
That would make good sense. Thanks for the tip!
so watched the video, great vid, did and inspection this looked to be a problem on my bike too. dismantled both calipers to examine and measure pads. 19,000 kms on my bike. all 4 pads were worn the same amount. cleaned all and re-assembled.
That's good news your bike is working properly!
I have the same problem on the Left Inner Pad at 7000 miles. Appointment with Honda next week.
Good luck!
Every motorcycle and truck I have ever owned has had uneven brake pad wear. Sticky calipers are very tricky to get right. I would look closely at corrosion on the Pistons. You can pop them out with an air gun and clean with steel wool and brake fluid. Never let anything other than brake fluid contact the square cut seal. Use very light coat of soap based hi-temp brake grease on reassembly.
These are brand new bikes. Pistons have been made of stainless steel for a long time on motorcycles so they don't corrode.
The calipers post mount to the fork and don't float.
This problem isn't maintenance related.
And... No do it yourselves should be so deep into brakes on a new wing that they have to remove the Pistons. 99% will never ever have the system bleed correctly ever again. Linked, ABS brake systems are not for home owners to work on.🎤
Goldwings have device that when the rear brake is used it applies the front also but only one side of each caliber, causing uneven wear. Normal
Your completely, totally wrong. You literally lack a shred of understanding how the brakes work on a Goldwing. But thanks for playing.
Opposing pistons are always applying pressure on the 2018+ Goldwing. There is never a possibility of imbalance.
th-cam.com/video/z3IGITZ9zS8/w-d-xo.html
I just did a maintenance on my 2018 Goldwing and I was informed I have 30%-40% left on front and 20%!!! on rear. This shocked me because the bike has only 4K miles on it and I never had such problem on my other bikes. My last one was Indian Springfield with 16K miles on it and all pads were at 40% wear.
Brake pad wear can vary wildly based on type of use... highway will get little wear, city will get lots of wear.
@@Traxxion Agreed. But in my case 4K is way too soon. And usually front wears more than rear, but not in that case
@@davaireport2479 I would change them all and watch what happens on the second set.
@@Traxxion Will do soon. Thank you!
My nephew goldwing 2018 has the same problem, only left front inner pad is in excessive wear. Is there a root cause?
My suspicion is defective tolerance on that caliper. Pistons fitting too tightly.
Great info Max.
Radially mounted calipers must be centered exactly at the centerline of the brake disc. If they are not, uneven brake wear can be the result. This can be easily checked by a close inspection. I had the same issue with my 2016 Triumph Thruxton R. A smart mechanic at the Triumph dealer realigned the calipers to the brake disc. If there is some wiggle room where the calipers are mounted to the bottom of the fork leg, one can loosen the caliper bolts on each side, firmly squeeze the front brake leaver while retightening the calipers bolts...a two person job. Closely follow the caliper bolt torque specs. My thoughts.
Virtually all radiant mounted calipers are located on precision machined dowels. There is no alignment at all. Not even a tiny amount. They are perfectly aligned.
Read a pdf article and it says from a wing rider to engine brake more than needing to use your brakes often when slowing down, THEN use your brakes, or if your a manual rider, downshift.
How and when you use your brakes isn't related to the problem of the brake pads wearing unevenly on one caliper.
@@Traxxion true. Just a simple thought out there for bikers :)
Max, I see you uploaded this about a year ago. Was there any further information on this issue or a fix that was implemented for the 2019-2020 bikes?
I have not heard. My best guess is that this is a bad batch of either calipers or pistons... where tolerance is too tight.
@@Traxxion gotcha! Thanks brother.
Max, I just saw this older video. When I do the brakes, do I have to replace the 2 caliper mounting bolts, or they can be re used?
I've never heard of anyone replacing the bolts. I would never replace mine, that's for sure.
35k on the bike. Replaced pads twice and both had excessive wear on the left inside pad. It was almost to the metal while the outer had 50% remaining. - Doug
Doug, was this on one caliper or both? Was it the inside right pad?
@@Traxxion In both brake change-outs it was only the left-side-caliper inward (or inside) pad that had excessive wear. The other three pads were fine.
I considered ONLY REPLACING the BAD-PAD but my safety-conscious-brain just wouldn't go for it. I replaced all four pads both times. I find no obstruction or problem with the pistons or pads; they seem to move just fine within the housing. I assume it is uneven pressure between the two sides of the left brake caliper. - Doug
@@dougwhite3059 I have heard of right calipers messing up, thanks for letting me know your bike is doing it on the left. I have only heard of inboard pads being eaten up though. Not sure what it means yet, but since the calipers are rigid mounted, it must mean that there is a tolerancing problem with the seal grooves. And note, it can be the OPPOSITE of what you might think. People think the worn pad has pistons sticking out. But it can be the unworn side is stuck and not moving out onto the rotor with proper pressure.
There is no reason to replace all oif the pads... it's safe to replace the worn pad.
@@Traxxion Thanks, Max. I'll just replace the bad one when it gets low again. Big savings given the price of these pads. Hey! I love your sidestand pad! Works great. Can you work on a replacement foot pad for the 8,000 mile ones Honda uses? Mine wear out at the tip where the Honda metal curves up; way too soft. - Doug
I hope Honda is looking into it.
Thanks for that demo, I am noticing excessive amount of brake dust on my rear wheel as well. I will have to check the pads all around. Very strange that you can't get 30K miles on a set of pads? I have 5500 on my bike and I am concerned, especially since the pad changes as quite expensive for the amount of wear. Keep up the good work,, and hope the hand is healing.
Hoping to be out of brace on Wednesday in time to stuff face on Thursday!
Max,
Yamaha had a similar problem with the REAR Cal on the Royal Star bikes. They found that the Cal was not applying the same amount of pressure to the pads. the Solution was to shim one side of the cal so that the cal was then even on both sides . I dont know if this could be the same problem with the Wing or not but if you check with one of the long time V Star Royal Star forums they can shed more light on this problem. This would also be a Honda problem as I see it, Please keep up the great work.
Mike/Turtle
I believe this is one that owners need to bring to their dealer's/Honda's attention so that it can be addressed. I think it is worthy of a product update or recall. It is BAD for a caliper to apply more pressure to one side of the pads. This can warp the rotor, and braking efficiency is significantly reduced.
@@Traxxion Max, Yamaha's reply to this problem was to place two flat washers behind the Caliper and that solved the problem . But if Honda's calipers are not floaters not sure what can be done.
Mike/Turtle
@@robertcadiz5561 since the calipers are rigid mounted, it must mean that there is a tolerance problem with the seal grooves. And note, it can be the OPPOSITE of what you might think. People think the worn pad has pistons sticking out. But it can be the unworn side is stuck and not moving out onto the rotor with proper pressure.
@@Traxxion Max, I have to agree with you there being a fixed caliper would not cause the same problems Yamaha had so your thoughts about the un-even pressure seems to be the likely problem. hope it can be resolved soon.. mike/turtle
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So sorry! I'm not advanced video maker.
I just replaced my tire and checked my front brake pads. At 12,000 miles my front left inside pad has worn excessively more than the outer one. I figure it has maybe 2,000 miles left on it if that. The right side was even on both pads. I will go down to the local dealer and see what they recommend.
That's the problem... there's nothing you can "do". Honda needs to be made aware of this problem. You should take your bike for your dealer to see and document the problem.
Max, what happened to your left wrist?
I had a really bad cyst in the Lunate bone in my wrist. It's the middle bone. They had to cut it open, clean out the bone, then cut the head off of my radius and flip that up into the hole, as they need a big piece of bone with active blood supply. Then they filled the hole in my radius with donor bone. So that's why I have been "off the air" for a few weeks!
where is Dr. Pepper when you need him? Those who have been around the road races courses of the 70s and 80s know who I am talking about.
Are the caliper slide pins properly lubricated?
EDIT: I didn't watch long enough, that's not the issue here.
As expensive as those pads are they may be doing it on purpose. I would be interested to see if they ever cover this under warranty. (I seriously doubt it.)
The good news; if it continues, there will be plenty of cheaper alternatives soon.