Kanye was never good...
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 มิ.ย. 2024
- Is it possible that we never actually knew Kanye like we think we did?
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The most uncanny thing about kanyes career is seeing himself turn his album narratives from progressive conscious, to semi conscious, to only self aware, to half assed, consciously dealing with problems, to unconsciously ignore those problems and to ultimately abandon all sorts of consciousness in favor of songs of "all vanity and no humanity". Seeing a backpack rapper with a classic conscious album abandon it on all fronts is just reality shattering
Exactly; First album Kanye was entertaining, although mediocre; Second album Kanye is all about "Money is what makes you socially relevant" Third album Kanye and beyond is just him talking about how he is "God's chosen messenger and that buying is horrifically looking shoes will have you walking the path of Jesus"
@@yokuzo11 first album was médiocre?!???!????!!?
@@yokuzo11bro nobody is reading your bs after the first line
@@antoninbaklouti3307 - Yea he lost me 😭 also I’m not gonna pretend I don’t like Yeezys
Conscious is not when someone says they are or raps about something you agree with. He did bang all to prove consciousness
Drake v Kendrick video feeling like waiting on GTA6
FD tryna be Jay Electronica 😂
Bro for real I am patiently waiting but I daily keep checking to see if it's done yet lol
You spelled "Tyler Perry" wrong
Elder Scrolls 6 type beat.
Right 😆
Missed the chance to title this “Kanye was never G.O.O.D.”
😂😂😂
Facts 😂
Hella lol
He going to change it now.
Kudos!
12:00 I'd like to add that Kanye much like drake, doesn't truly like women.. he likes the aesthetics and image of women in relation to his social position. He doesn't like women as actual human beings
❤ facts.
Yeah… I get the sense that he’s like that as well. His ego can’t be checked by anyone, that’s a very dangerous mindset to be in. I hope he finds inner peace before he self destructs 🙏
this isnt a drake or kanye thing. this is a hip hop thing.
Lennon
Bowie
Ye
Page
Polanski
Weisntein
Tons of rappers/producers
Tons of film directors/producers
The eccence of entertainment industry
If you really stand on the moral principle then one is left with nothing to watch or listen to.
@@EverythingsoknowSexism and misogy are not hip-hop things, however they exist in hip hop and in other places.
Seeing Kanye throw his hat in the ring during the Kendrick/Drake beef and then everyone unanimously agreeing to ignore it was one of the funniest things to happen in Hip Hop
lol I didn’t even hear about this till today
seen the title and stopped everything I was doing. time to be messy
facts lol im like what else he going to dig on kanye
Me too, only the “everything” I dropped was watching other rap beef videos 😂
Thats the whole point of such titles
lets get it
SAME so excited haha
Like Kanye said, "can't tell me nothing." That much wealth, popularity and influence mixed with drugs, mental illness and personal tragedy are keys to creating a bubble of yes people that won't be able to help.
"Just a difficult mental state to be in" is a crazy take from a MHP perspective.
He is right. Bi polar makes your highly neurotic, but it doesn't color your character with uber narcissistic racism and all the insanity that is Kanye
Only furthering the lack of respect for mental health in the black community.
A wise person once said to me "Mental health isn't your fault but it IS your responsibility".
Exactly why the problem is as bad is it in America. It has to be addressed collectively
Thank you. You don't get to blame an addiction for being a sexist.
Truly absorbing this phrase is so important for so many people. Being hurt or traumatized and then expecting other people to be okay with being mistreated and/or expecting those around you to heal you is so common.
With great ADHD comes great...ly reduced productivity?
Marcus Parks?
On the "delayed brain injury" thing: I have a friend who was horrible jumped, robbed and injured. Both sides of his skull were caved in (the police said he fell, by the way, but that's another, much angrier story) he survived but barley.
I can recall a few months after his recovery he seemed fine. His memory was sh!t but besides that I didn't noticed too much difference. Today, roughly 6 years after his brain injury, he's a different person entirely. He doesn't seem even able to laugh or be expressive in any way. He just kinda sits and listens to people. Doesn't seem to have any strong opinions about anything. He was always a Tupac fanatic and I told him I thought Kendrick Lamar was better than Pac, expecting a spirited debate, but he just kinda shrugged. It's sad. Not to mention he was the poster child for charm. He's literally the guy who taught me how to talk to women. The Last we spoke he said how lonely he was and how he envied my nightlife. I couldn't believe what I was hearing.
What I'm getting at is delayed reaction to TBI is definitely a thing I've witnessed first hand.
sorry to hear that about your friend, wish him and you the best
Lots of studies on this. Can happen in early life too.
Damn that’s depressing but good youre still rockin with him also gives good insight into a lot of my clients who’ve experienced TBIs prior to meeting me, often much earlier in life. 1 guy I work with is practically paralyzed but with intermittent mobility. His provider & partner claim (medical) marijuana has been a game changer for him, as evidenced by brain scans not just anecdotes or improved mood but that too although he just takes it at night before bed anyways. I’ve had adverse affects from it myself; exacerbated anxiety, paranoia, etc. so I’m typically not an advocate of it for mental health exclusive issues but undeniably effective in TBI, CTE related symptoms including drastic decrease in physical paralysis! hopefully ur friend can find some treatment options that work for him or just gratitude & contentment for life now
I am not an empath, but I could feel your sadness through the screen. I'm so sorry that happened to your friend. That's terrible. And I'm sorry you lost your friend, at least the person he used to be.
I hope things get better for you and your friend in any way it can ❤️🩹
I grew up with a bipolar father. I can smell these things from miles away, since I learned to feel those behaviours since very young. With kanye, my alarm goes wild. But also with young kanye. I know you said in the beginning, that you cant justify everything with being bipolar. But I can tell you, that those actions discussed are easily linked to it, I can feel it.
Same, and yeah, it doesn’t excuse their actions, but it certainly explains their actions. It doesn’t mean you give them a pass, but at least you can understand what is going on with them.
As a person with bipolar disorder, I empathize with Kanye. Having BD can 100% make you act like an asshole during manic episodes because your perception of what is appropriate becomes so warped. Whenever I come out of a manic episode there’s this terrible comedown from having all that energy & anger & being hypersexual & I’m trying to navigate that while simultaneously cleaning up whatever messes manic me made. It’s not an excuse to harm others. My therapist helps me check myself sometimes & I’m learning to fix my behavior. Ijs I can imagine that having fans & yes men constantly validating your behavior would make it hard to see when you’re wrong because you can’t actually trust your own feelings.
🙏🏾🥺
Sending you love and light ❤️ praying for healing less and less episodes for you ❤️
Becoming a Kanye West in 2020 is like exploring the ruins of a once great city it's sad
I became a Ye fan at 2022, months before the "WLM shirt". Imagine that...
Same shit happened to me in 2019
Becoming a Kanye West? Did you turn into him or something? lmao
Thankfully I became a Kanye Fan before the Donda Rollout and got to experience what Kanye Might have been if he'd gotten atleast 10%of his shit together
@urhomiesapien Kanye West is literally one of the greatest rappers in modern mainstream times. He's lyrically on par with his old self and shows he can adapt to rapping with modern rappers. He's a crazy genius will forever be consistent one of the GOATs.
Bro almost spit out my water when I saw "Metro gave Kanye an unplugged controller" 😅
IKR!
When was this in the video?
@@89RealThe 1:05 right at the beginning lol
Crazy Work🤣🤣
Some of these comments are works of art lmao
13:52 I believe one can be socially aware and choose to date white women. However, the issue arises when a Black man or woman flaunts their white partner as if they are a trophy from a carnival. This not only appears frivolous to us but also diminishes the dignity of that individual in the process.
But what if the head is so good she’s on honor roll…
Very well said Sir 👏🏾
@@directordank😂😂 I can’t with this
That's fascinating considering if he where with a black women and did the same thing you would probably be congratulating him and if not u someone else in the community would have I find it funny how people consider themselves conscious but then get offended when someone who loves someone else from a different place and or culture is expressing it in the public eye people start to feel away. Kanye never said oh I love white women and f black women and I don't think we as a community should be telling people how to express their love if it's not affecting or hurting anyone else. Except your group conscience ego but I noticed this trend with black men who talk good about the white women there with ppl legit act like the man said I don't like blk women instantly disallowing a lot of black men from talking about black issues due to who they happen to be with 🙄 u can't call it self conscious and be bothered by that, specifically other aspects of Kanye are a lot more troubling than his dating history and lack there of, of black women in his past this is like when people focus on Joe biden's gaffs instead of looking at the policies he's actually putting out there.
saying bipolar is “just a difficult mental state to be in” is incredibly ignorant and really minimizes the challenges and struggle that come with it. my father was diagnosed in his 50’s (super uncommon) after a 2 week period of having severe changes to his personality, belief system, etc. within 2 weeks lost literally everything. if he stops taking his meds it’s a very short time until he’s unrecognizable. it effects everybody differently.
i’m not defending Kanye, i don’t know the personal/intimate details of his life, but bipolar could definitely be reasoning to behave in ways that he does. it’s absolutely not a pass, but it has to be recognized.
given how much care you put into your research and opinions, the confidence you have making a comment that belittles such a complex disorder baffles me.
He doesn't do any research this content is opinion based period
Yup when I heard this I immediately recoiled. Kanye 1000% exhibits manic symptoms and to sweep that under the rug as inconsequential is just wrong
he’s not talking about that subject probably because he isn’t comfortable discussing it, and what he said was a simple understatement. he’s making the smart choice to not talk about something he doesn’t know much about and isn’t comfortable talking about.
@@notyourdaughter666saying it’s an understatement is an understatement. it’s a very realistic explanation of his behavior, and if true would mostly defeat the purpose of all of the other arguments. you can’t dismiss an potential argument because you’re not educated on the subject, you get educated or bring someone on who is educated
My dad is the same, as is a former best friend. I have subclinical traits (diagnosed with MDD). It is wild how quickly a person can deteriorate, and become almost unrecognisable. My dad lost his job twice due to his behaviour when manic. He is a kind, loving, empathetic man, but when he gets into a hypomanic or manic state... the rage he feels is unreal. He believes the dumbest shit, too, stuff he derides when he's stable. Bipolar is extremely serious.
thank god, my feed was so dry i actually used spotify at work
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Hey, me too lol 😄
Dear mother of gawd !
So im not the only one who be wasting my sub watching yt instead?😭
THE FEELING!! 😂
"YO DOT I GOT YA" KILLS ME EVERY TIME. As a bipolar nigga myself I know kanye is cooking inside, didn't get that clout he wanted lmao
The fact that Kanye in the middle of all his insanity and problems knew who the right guy to support was, just makes Drake's fans look even worse
@@DoomroarI don't think he did. Some of the lyrics in the song were dissing Kendrick, but they were replaced at the last minute.
@@blunteastwood that’s a lie
Like Dot even needed him 🙄
@@blunteastwoodYou just made that up.
It’s shame what kanye turned out to be. He legit got me to question my casual homophobia in high school
I looked up to him so much since highschool. I also wasn’t gangster or hood, I was a nerdy black kid that watched anime.
Having to let kanye go was hard, but we just don’t need him anymore
The thing I don't get is people trying to dissect Kanye pretty much just say thing's he's already said himself...and then act like they are exposing something groundbreaking.... it's kinda unsettling
Kanye is human and honest, he has flaws, which is what is good, he feels like a real human. Instead, 90% of the people at the same level feel like they have strings behind them. So, I honestly couldn't care more about his controversial statements, everybody had something stupid to say at some point.
I think part of the "George Bush doesn't care about black people" thing that got me is that he seemed to be psyching himself up for it. I don't know, maybe it was because he knew it might go too far but I remember feeling in the moment and years afterwards "holy shit, there's a young black guy just like me who got up and said what I've been wanting to yell for a long time now." It's amazing how far that good will carried him since he really didn't say anything else so radical after that.
He's said a lot but people and the media choose to ignore it all. Even during his slavery rant there was a lot of positive commentary and it all was ignored.
@@KareemDaKing I watched that entire video and I don't remember anything positive from it. I don't think it was as terrible as people made it at the time, but certainly nothing positive.
@@KareemDaKing I mean, maybe you're seeing something I'm not, but at best it's the usual black elite and hotep nonsense dialed up to an 11. And with the company he keeps I think even calling it that is generous.
He did and still doing but for different groups
He backtracked that statement on some talk show iirc, so, yeah, that thing doesn't have much weight to it.
"when was the last time he said something significant in favor of black people?"
Hot damn, this really hit me hard.
"Beyonce had the best video of all time" was certainly something significant in favor of black people.
@@blunteastwoodno it isn’t
@@a1ntcry1noveru well it kind of was, as his point was to highlight how the accomplishments of Black People are too easily ignored
@@xjtreex is that how he really meant it though? That's what we thought he was saying, but maybe not
George bush doesn’t care about black people
I'm at 22:30. That little goofy grin is fascinating to me, because it's exactly the same face my brother, who also has bipolar, makes when he's manic and is trying to wind people up. It's almost like he wants the energy in the room to match his own heightened energy. That little goofy grin ALWAYS precedes the most obnoxious, tailored to make me angry, nonsense I'll hear all month. It's weird. My brother chooses not to manage his bipolar because he believes he doesn't need to and the more I hear about Kanye, the harder it is not to map one onto the other. I don't know how to explain the way that it feels like I can see the, i don't know, *flavor* of the assholery change when my brother's going through an episode. It is absolutely impossible to draw a hard line between what is "him" and what is attributable to his mental illness, but that little grin reminds me so, SO much of days when ALL he wants to do is make everyone else as excited and upset and loud as he's feeling.
He has been like this since he was little, it's always been how he picked on me, but like I said the *flavor* of it 100% changed when he got older and the family bipolar definitely kicked in. I have no attachment to Kanye, at all. I mourn the relationship I used to have with my brother and how I'll probably never get that back because he doesn't care enough to do anything about it. I WANT to be able to blame it on the illness, and to just say he has no agency in being an asshole, because how else can I hope to get him back? He's my brother.
Praying for your brother's mental health & that yall can get yall relationship back...
My issue is that Kanye thinks he is special because he liked things beyond what he saw the black people around him enjoying.
But this only tells me that his social bubble was as narrow as his view of black people. But its something you see a lot in the American pysche, othering people, even those who look like you.
Africans exist, Afrolatinos exist, Black Europeans exist…their music is listened to and loved by alot of people, they also listen to “eccletic” music outside of their own. Granted a lot of black europeans have a direct tie to their african or carribean cultures in the home and in their social circles (so maybe this is what was missing??).
He is not special for his taste, he is not a genius for merging the genres.
He was just the first in american hiphop to scream it from the rooftops.
Thank god RadikoolS and FD on youtube two professional psychiatrists who have spent 100's of hours talking with kanye have the capability to tell us all what kanye thinks and feels about things and why now we can do a formal well informed diagnosis on his character and backstory.
I think saying he's not special for merging pop and hip hop and pushing it to the mainstream isnt the greatest take it requires a mindset alot of people dont have, although again I dont have the ability to exist inside his head
This might be a video title and thumbnail that doesn't need to be changed 5 times lmao
Which is unfortunate, in a way 😅
I sent the thumb nail shot to my friend immediately 😂
Most of us were literally undergrads when College Dropout dropped. We were just as immature as he was and assumed he'd grow out of it. But nah...
I was in 4th grade when “Get Well Soon” came out. . I got a full ride to a huge university. Graduated. I honestly attribute some of that to College Dropout, Lupe Fiasco, The Cosby Show, and The College Center on BET hosted by Julissa. Thanks Kanye.
@ville__u went full Robert Downey jr eh ?
@@lovedavantlamour301wait give me a run down what RDJ did I never knew he was a really weird guy
@CuntyFernandoAlonso I'm pretty sure they're referencing Tropic Thunder, "never go full r*t*rd"
I was older and I think thats why I never bought his act. I liked some of his music fo sho. But disliked his persona and never saw him as deep or conscious the way younger ppl did
For my final project in my Podcast class, I used the same clip from Drink Champs where he literally boasted about using backpackers to come up. From that clip alone, I concluded that he was always an imposter and Old Kanye never existed. I was finally able to let him go.
What'd he do with backpackers?
He said that to get under Talib's skin they were beefing, I'm not sure if it was a 100% honest statement,
@@danrandy1884we started the term backpack rap because of him.
Thats such a fragile take. Do you lament the fact he used Rocafella, Jay Z, 808s, used fashion, used beats, used artists to come up each time? He's a collaborator with outputs that result in net positives for all involved.
Let him “go”? What were you holding on to ya psychopath lol
there's one line on Yeezus that's very telling: "soon as you like you, make 'em un-like you"
22:18 "he just knows the thing to say that will piss people off and bring him attention."
Am I misremembering that you were a teacher before? Because this is so real, and it perfectly fits: Kanye is THAT KID; the one you get every few semesters who just KNOWS how to get at you and derail the classroom. It's ALL about Kanye, and the minute it isn't, he does or says something stupid to make sure it is again.
yup
I know he's said he's worked as a youth counselor before
even the style in his music videos are often just a trend-copy from what was popular at the time, something actually the youtube king captain disillusion pointed out in a small joke in one of his videos back then. now in comparison with ur comment, it just shows that the man only always wants to be in everyones convo and does everything he can to stay relevant in media...i really think him being on his latest right wing rode is just the old way of trying to piss everyone off. and appearantly hes a friggin s.a.-ist too so yea...
@madlovee what's the captain disillusion video where he mentioned kanye if you remember ?
Fun fact: the reason his X/Twitter account was removed is almost certainly because he posted a certain yacht photo of Elon Musk.
Psych RN here. I’ve heard you say this on a few occasions, but Bipolar I absolutely can cause someone to adopt beliefs they wouldn’t if they weren’t manic. Kanye is really a textbook case of bipolar and none of his antics surprise me. I meet people every day who have bizarre opinions - often influenced by current events and conspiracies - which resolve with treatment. It is not just a “difficult state of mind to be in” it can seemingly completely alter someone’s personality and judgement. These episodes can last months or years, either because they’re inconsistently treated or untreated or because they have a chronic condition. Recognizing this shouldn’t equal giving him a pass.
As someone with Bipolar Disorder 1 I agree. Mania and psychosis are no joke, you literally are not capable of making ration decisions or understanding the world around you rationally. I have an Aunt who is also bipolar 1 and she hasn't been in touch with reality in decades. It doesn't justify the harmful things he says and does but it does explain it.
The idea of being completely separate from reality frightens me so much, it ruins lives so easily. If I know anyone with bipolar 1, I'm not aware/have never seen them in their rough place, but I am very familiar with schizophrenia.
Ime when people have a "break from reality" with schizotypal disorders, there's an important bit of truth under all the out of control pattern matching. Like, you can talk to a person and figure out there's a real thing bothering them - they're just kinda speaking Dr. Bronners language so it's harder to understand.
Is bipolar 1 totally different? (Genuine question)
Honestly…I think we all think / know how much mania can distort reality, I think it’s just media savvy to condemn.
10/10 if, and this is a big IF Kanye were to have a massive come to Jesus moment and said “on god, I was tripping ya’ll”, the lines would blur a bit and some leeway would be given.
As a bipolar person who's been psychotic, thank you!
I agree, I have bipolar disorder and was arrested and institutionalized twice for manic episodes in public. I had many beliefs that I now find so ridiculous, and even problematic! It can change everything about a person! Love the videos tho!!
i'd argue his taylor swift interruption moment was him trying to do something in service of black people. at least in his own head at the time. Not sure it succeeded in being received that way by anyone else though
Exactly my thoughts!
All skin folk ain’t kin folk. He cares more about his community back home (Chicago) than black people nationwide, and I can still respect it. Not every POC lack agency.
Tbh I think he's just trying too hard to phase into the whole edge lord, cool-weird, cult rap following. See Saul Williams, Death Grips, etc. It's just too late now and comes off as pretentious. Bro is too rich, and as we used to say back in the day, he's just too commercial now to be punk rock🤷🏽
Bullshit, that was Kanye making shit about Kanye and using two women as props.
That part, Kanye has literally told everyone in his lyrics who he truly is. He never claimed to be the good guy in any situation. People put that on him
Or, other artists are just better at weirdo Rap🥸
It's individuals like Kanye that make it hard for me to separate art from the artist. Personally speaking. At one point can you not look away from all the bs?
I don't think it's possible to separate art from artist. Art is one of the deepest, most pure representations of individuality that there is. The truth is, abhorrent people can also have truly beautiful art inside of them. It's one of the complexities of life that you just have to deal with. I'm not going to deprive myself of the art I love just because the person is awful. The exception is if I monetarily contribute to living artists that do bad things with said money, Ala JK Rowling. (I say all this not really in regards to West, but there's other people like him for me[Wagner, Charlie Parker etc])
@@trombonegamer14well said
@@trombonegamer14You're 100% entitled to your opinion & perspective. For me it becomes hard to tolerate when these creative & talented individuals, use their influence & platforms to express vitriol and bigotry, or as a mask to hide their darker halfs until it eventually gets uncovered.
It's almost like said art I appreciated becomes tainted, cause either they're hiding who they really are or they've become so far removed from the individual they once were.
Have a nice day
I seperate art from the artist once the artist is dead. If the artist displays behavior wild enough for me to make note of it in the first place, I'm not gonna further their legacy by participating in media they created.
Yall can say you have limited engagement with the artist, only engaging with the art, but their career grows nonetheless. Penny by Penny. Listen by listen.
I feel this as I was heavy into the metal community a few years ago. Many liked black metal and would have band shirts of Burzum and other BM fans that wore merch that had ties to neo Nazis and pos ppl. I still don’t understand how ppl buy like burzum shit when varg is a literal murderer, Neo Nazi, and burned multiple religious places.
Man, I'm just going to go in for a long comment here with no concern of formalism.
Major Ex-Kanye fan. Those first five albums from The College Dropout to My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy War as a teenager and still is some of the most important music I've ever heard. They radically change the way my brain thought of music and directly influenced the way I thought about art within my own sensibilities and was my entryway into rap music.
It's ironic that much this is about Kanye's possible need to be accepted within white communities because Kanye's attempts to bring conscious rap on his first two albums was the direct influence on me developing and appreciation for Gil Scott-Heron, a figure that appears frequently throughout that original run of albums. Across the original Trilogy of albums (the college dropout, late registration, and graduation), the Persona Kanye created on those albums often blended complex psychological self-analysis with genuinely unique political and religious observations that were fascinating for someone with such a major platform to be doing.
Recently, during all of the shit show with what spoken about in this video and the much stranger alleged shit like the obsession with Adolf Hitler that apparently goes back decades, I began to wonder if I was using a subconscious bigotry to influence the way I was reading Kanye as "above" other contemporaries rap artists, something I still think about to this day and combat directly. While that part of my psychology I'm dealing on my own, re-listening to those albums, especially late registration, remind me why Kanye was such a special artist what is his connection with Blackness and him trying to deal with it. He did get a major film composer / Rock producer to create orchestral Arrangements, but several songs are based around Gil Scott-Heron, Curtis Mayfield, or Bill Withers samples. Many of the sounds coming off that record are still deeply seeped within soul, r&b, and gospel while mixing the orchestral elements in inspired ways. It breathes a strong sociopolitical disconnect with the structure of society with the government distrust of heard him say, the intersection of drugs and African-American culture in crack music, the influence of money in romantic relationships on gold digger, and the fucking blood diamond trade with diamonds from Sierra Leone intertwined with emotionally vulnerable moments like Roses and Hey Mama. How the fuck could a guy that has a song describing crack being made to stop radical black political thought that then sieges into an emotionally vulnerable song about the death of his grandmother could become the dude talking about bleached assholes and wearing a white lives matter t-shirt?
At this point, the only logical conclusion is the one that FD is implying here that's the most difficult to think about; Kanye always had these issues and the conscious hip-hop Persona was itself a form of kayfabe that began breaking after the death of his mother and would completely shatter away with the release of the life of Pablo. He never truly cared about the politics, just the way it made him present as an extreme surreal contrarian. Which fucking hurts
Complex conversations about some of the people I'm going to mention here, but you wouldn't get figures like Donald Glover, Vince Staples, or Thundercat who often talked about Black masculinity and society as a whole in ways that are very untraditional but still talk to some previous tradition partly without Kanye ( although George Clinton would be a more appropriate influence on Thundercat and Childish gambino, and aspects of fly in the milk do need to be brought to mind). Even if figures like him existed before (De La Soul and A Tribe Called Quest really come to mind), he somehow weaponized the Michael Jackson type of Popstar mentality to selling it. Kanye, no matter how much the original Persona was bulshit or real honesty, quite radically deconstructed things like Blackness, masculinity, and to a lesser degree neurodiversity in the 21st century. That two-part video by FD stands as one of my favorite video essays of all time because it understands so well what made Kanye such an important figure and the absolute horror of watching someone you have such a strong parasocial relationship with just go so downhill. This feels like a proper epilogue to that two-parter as it finally tackles a possible we ignored; there never was a true "old Kanye," just us as fans putting our own anxieties and disconnect from society into this man.
Old Kanye Is Dead, Long Live Old Kanye.
I think you get it. It's very complex and full of nuance. Actually every thing kanye is, is art. It's all one huge body of art. People don't understand how that type of artist mind works. I think he's in a constant mindset of creativity and expression always trying to get people to think in new and unique ways. He wants people to think and question him and everything around them. It's very intriguing. It's all art
o.o
As someone who follows F.D. but doesn't listen to Kanye (or even much rap beyond what I liked of Eminem back in school, yes boo me) I really appreciate the insight of your comment! Thank you
Thank you for your excellent comment Riley, which I will give a reply to as a white Irish (actually Irish) boy, not that I will be able to add that much.
My favourite Kayne album is Yeezus because I can't really relate to its sadness and loneliness and hope and faith in the power of art. I dont really consider it a hip hop album though, or only barely. It's more an art-punk album. That's not some weird anti-black or anti-hip hop comment, I just mean that there are almost no traditional hip hop beats on it. It should probably be grouped along with Death Grips and Clipping as "hip-hop derived punk" or "art-hop" or something like that. Danny Brown and JPEGMafia I still class as hip hop.
Life of Pablo - Ultra Light Beam is nearly his best song and then after that it's all shite. The bleached asshole was basically the end of him as an artist worthy of your attention, as has been said numerous times here.
You've just encouraged me to go back and listen to the original trilogy again. Love your historical analysis of the samples. But I won't be able to take it seriously because like you said the politics are probably all performative, whereas yeezus is art that you can really believe in.
I don't listen to Kanye but I don't think the conscious hip-hop was kayfabe for him, it was...
You ever been in a relationship where you don't feel it right off the bat, but your partner does and you want to keep at it to see your feelings develop to make it mutual?
That was my first relationship; it never happened and the fallout was horrible, but I'd like to think it wasn't for lack of trying on my part.
I really don't know much of Kanye except that he strikes me as the coddled Asperger's Syndrome/autistic kid with an ego, and what I just described with my relationship is how he seems to have felt for the black community: he tried but deep down he was hooked on white culture (as I assume he experienced from a privileged upbringing)
Hey F.D., I think you should do a video on what being an Oreo is and how some black kids grow up feeling like they don’t belong in their community. This is really important because I feel like this topic is nowhere near as talked about, investigated, or analyzed as others. I think you could touch on the inherent toxicity of “culture” as well, how the conception of culture can allow for exploitation and hierarchy to foster. Though we’re not a monolith, and black people are a vary vast and varied group of people, there is, in my opinion, a dominant culture that even affects black people who’re on the fringes. We need to interrogate what that dominant culture is, where it came from, etc. Like I said in another comment, conservatism is a big issue, and patriarchy doesn’t just negatively affect black girls and women but black boys and men in many harmful and equally severe ways. Both groups also internalize these ideas and hurt those within the community who don’t perform properly. We need to talk about this because simply telling black people who feel burned by their community or who’re suffering from trauma related to being teased or called an “Oreo” by their peers that they’re merely suffering from anti-blackness isn’t enough. Especially if that anti-blackness is rooted in something tangible. To be frank, we can be cruel to each other, but that goes for any community living under a world dominated by HIERARCHY. We need to talk about why we feel to need to body-shame or mock someone in the first place, why that’s a part of our culture. We need to talk about why ableism is so rampant in not just this community but in all communities. We need to talk about how not just white supremacy but our own behaviors can cause other black folks to want to distance themselves from us. Sure, systems of oppression and material conditions play a large part in our division and the pathologies that we individually possess, but I’m not gonna lie, we’re fucking brutal towards each other. Men are socialized to go after things and define their worth based on their sexual virility. Women are socialized to be meek, submissive, and take care of the children, among other things. As a result, I’ve seen girls during my adolescence and women presently judge boys and men for not living up the standards they grew up believing that boys should live up to. You and others have constantly stated how important it is for people to let go of the past. And yet no one is willing to ask why the past had to be that way in the first place? When a black kid gets mocked, repeatedly rejected and brutalized by his black peers for not reaching certain standards of masculinity or even “blackness”, of course they’re going to want to distance themselves or even hurt those same people. We are capable of being mini-oppressors. We have to confront why we feel the need to dominate others in the first place. We are not a good people dawg, seriously. Please read this. I’ve heard you use dusty to describe the manosphere types and would sometimes apply a sweeping generalization to all “black girls don’t like me” comments. But I’m not a MRA but someone who’s trying to be an anarchist. I just don’t want you to read my pleas for nuance and a deeper investigation into why we act like this, how bullying or ostracism might have a part to play in this, how Puritanism, which has affected the Left, makes us downplay the need for sex and human contact, etc. as misogynistic cringe. We like to use the phrase “hurt people hurt people”, but when it comes down to why we get hurt in the first place, we suddenly change our tune and become beacons of toxic positivity. This is not a normal world we’re living in, and we have to learn to start embracing the weird kids for fuck’s sake and stop calling them corny. Like what the fuck is wrong with us?
We need to give people a chance.
One more time for the peeps in the back! This topic needs to be not just part of the discussion, but actually acknowledged and confronted! Too many people say they know they're part of the problem, or even say they aren't at all, but are so quick to turn around, shut down, dismiss and invalidate those who are struggling with ostracization by using "Mental Health is a personal responsibility" or "I went through struggles to and came out fine" to those same people that are lacking the support or personal skills to overcome the challenges they are facing. I think it's self-destructive and hypocritical on both a personal and social level and more people need to seriously be thinking about this, not just handwave it as deflection or distraction from whatever they personally consider "real issues". Those who are struggling with isolation, and any period, especially those in oppressed communities and social groups, should be met with patience and compassion simply because they are human, not contempt and annoyance for being someone or behaving in ways we find undesirable or irritable. Wish I could add something actually useful to this discussion cuz this is something I've been observing for a while and the giant looming cloud of anti-blackness that hangs over this is unfathomably wide-reaching.
Thank you for talking about this and I hope others see it as well as a situation to take to heart. It's a real community killer.
If you ever thought kanye wasn’t a terrible person, you were working really hard to feel that way. He never hid it.
😂😂yep ,when I saw him dating amber I was like yeah he has a problem and then kim confirmed it.
Hearing 2024 Kanye say 'yo dot I got you' reads like a neo-nazi defending Mel Brooks films.
this is so fucking funny
Him and Kendrick believe the same things
Kendrick and Kanye are not too far off from each other artistically or mentally. Yall just pick and choose
@@RADIOACTIVEYOUTH I must have missed all of the times Kendrick condoned Hitler or blamed black people for slavery.
I was in highschool when Kanye dropped graduation. At the very least, Slowjams is in every one of my spotify yearly wraped lists but at a certain point you've got to death of the author the shit out of someone and accept that no matter how talented they are they dont deserve a platform to make the world a worse place.
@@RADIOACTIVEYOUTHgive some examples.
28:36 as a different black or a nerdy black girl it does take work not to be anti black. It’s really depends on how your parents speak about other black people and finding black friends with your interests, it makes you feel less ostracized.
Yeah I just try to blend as much as I can
@jessinthecomments What black people don’t talk about, or aren’t cognizant of, or don’t have the words to express & certainly don’t teach our children is that that “You Can Only Be ONE thing/set of things, You’re Not Being Black Enough” mentality that a lot of us caught from black peers is a *leave-over* from Slavery & Jim Crow.
When we were only allowed very limited existences, opportunities & lanes for expression. On a micro level this is expressed as “You don’t see a lot of black skydivers, Olympic swimmers, golfers.” The reason being we did not have the means, the allowance of opportunity &/or the shepherding to those avenues.
So when we develop resentment at Other Black People for maybe giving us a hard time for having divergent interests it is especially damaging. Because what really are upset about is the legacy of how we were pigeon-holed and typecast by a sabotaging system.
We are just conned into enmity for what’s out in front of our eyes rather than the underlying root.
We see this type of thing when we sometimes have friction with the Asian community & their social standing. When ofc the Model Minority archetype was fabricated by white folks to use Asians as anti-blackcraft missiles.
And again, we see this lack of cognizance or appropriate words or just disinterest/misunderstanding the need to educate by black parents raising mixed-race/light skinned children. Who are not explaining to them how the world treats them in relation to full/dark blacks people & where resentment can stem from.
Thus, like the different black/black nerd you describe, they become disillusioned with black folks and are now available to be used as Mixed Race/Light Skinned anti-blackcraft missiles.
Agreed, but its blk ppl that make you feel that way. Being smart or nerdy doesn't make you any less blk but they sure do make us feel like that...Im adopted and ppl would say oh that makes sense, your parent are yt, right? Im like NO, i had a mom who was super into science fiction and a dad who was an uber nerd(rip) so yeah they raised a huge dork 😂
Yup! Ive had to unlearn and get rid of a lot of antiblack thoughts in my life! I thought because i like anime and metal music and grew up in the suburbs, I shouldve at least been light skinned! Of course i unlearned my internalized rasicm, but it is real!!
And it doesn't help if you have trouble socializing. Can do a lot of damage.
Growing up as a Black American outside of poverty or the inner city doesn't make that individual become anti black; even if they were teased as a child by other black people. Malcolm X, and many other prominent black leaders didn't grow up in poor neighborhoods and inner cities. But all black children grow up in a country where violence and nonphysical assaults are constantly directed towards us. Likewise , there are many Black people who grew up in poor inner cities, and country towns, who exhibit anti-blackness. Ye and Owens choose to be the way that they are, not because they don't fit in with Black people, but because of self hate. They have internalized racism so deeply, that they see themselves as inferior, and hope that their actions will cause their oppressors to accept them
It's not about fitting in with other black people, it's about an internalized inferiority. The American Black community is diverse, and that doesn't make someone anti black or feel superior to other black people. Because in the end, I can enjoy listening to the Red Hot Chili Peppers while driving my hybrid SUV, but the police will only see another.....on the road.
I'm a white dude who's loved hip-hop since the late 90s, got introduced to the genre through Camp Lo's Luchini, and nearly exclusively listened to underground hip-hop for years (Pretty much until one of my friends forced me to listen to Hate It or Love It and I learned radio stuff can be good too sometimes). My only exposure to Kanye growing up was through my other white friends in highschool reciting me his cringiest lines cause that's the stuff they resonated with. It's been a hell of a journey seeing Kanye get more and more public with his eccentrcities and hearing some people I respect talk about how good Kanye used to be and many reasons why him downspiraling was/is just "a phase" and I always just gotta be like, you're saying "I'm colder than an elf on a sleigh" and shit like the PHD line among many many others makes this dude lauded? Really? I don't know how to explain it but I could just never buy this dude as a legetimate conscious rapper when he was constantly spouting these wack-ass lines. That's not to say conscious rappers cant be self aggrandizing every now and then, but like, there's am obvious difference between "i got a big dick" and "I'm trying to help". I can't think of any other backpacker or whatever rapper I've listened to that's vapidly boosted themselves as much as Kanye has without it being like an obvious tongue in cheek point of the song.
Even with all that, I can't even really say this video justifies my feelings I've had over the years cause apparently this shit runs way deeper than I ever expected lol. It's much deeper than "he's got wack bars and he's been fakin' it" This video is good as hell and adds a lot of context to these nebulous feelings I've had about the dude over the years.
Thanks for what you said about bipolar disorder. Having bipolar disorder was pretty rough during those kanye nazi months where people just flat out blamed his ideological shift on a fricken mood disorder.. Dude was a nazi for way longer than Charlie Sheen was winning. Can't blame that on a mood disorder. We don't turn nazi, we get really super duper sad or extremely energetic... We don't turn into nazis..
The conversation that was being had around bipolar disorder at that time was HARD to listen to. Sometimes you can't help but internalize some of those things and wonder "to the people I know think the same things about me?"
Just shows the people excusing Kanye at the time didn't really care about his mental health. Just wanted to point and laugh, and justify it after the fact so they didn't have to feel bad or think twice before doing it again.
than again, all mood disorders are different for different people, and i’m assuming you didn’t lose your own mother to a decision you made (moving to LA). Along with the weight of having the entire media waiting and watching for you to mess up.
@@soarsoverearth mood disorders don't cause you to become a nazi. Don't care how much trauma you've gone through. There's always an example of someone who went through similar stuff and made different choices
He's since said he was misdiagnosed and was extremely drugged to keep his behaviour in check. 🤷🏾♂️ n funny how everyone pointed to his alleged bipolar disorder but he's never done that himself in the heat of controversy lol. As far as the nazi thing, hey. If that's what u think he is, I don't got the energy to argue against it at this point lol. I will say it's extremely similar to when he cosigned Trump & once u get down to the why that was the case, the Hitler thing isn't a surprise. But Kanye makes no effort to make himself more understandable so it is what it is lol
It's crazy hearing the weird stuff Kanye used to say ON AIR back in the late 2000s/ early 2010s, without much damage to his career at the time. Seems like it's more damaging now to establish a pattern in his beliefs than it actually was at the time. Never look for reasons to defend your favorite people, let your favorite people become your favorite through the behavior they display. If you gotta defend them, you're already doing too much.
Yeah, I've been listening to Kanye since he came out and I have been Paying Attention to him and what he said that entire time.
Only thing that surprised me is that anyone was surprised by his last 5 years. He was always crazy crazy, but he kept it under the lid. His eyes gave it away to me.
It's not unusual for different kinds of guys to say different things.
If he's truly bipolar combined with a strange egotistical personality with enablers you can see why he's off the deep end.
I have somewhat watched a few of those Kardashian shows were Kim was talking about how the old Kanye isn't coming back.
Because no one gaf, majority of us just listened to the music and bought the clothing, it wasn't until maybe like the late 2010s people started being conscious about celebrities and only recently to a t, if they weren't flat out sex offenders no one gaf and sometimes they didn't and don't gaf.
I think part of it is that egotism and things like that are baked into hiphop. So things like 'I think I'm a god' read more like that 'I'm the greatest mfer alive' mindset rappers are expected to have than a guy being so manic he literally thinks he's a deity
It's funny because many many many Kanye fans can attest to having spent a lot of time on the internet defending him from critics. Now, granted, some of that criticism was really not warranted and overblown, and obviously some of it even racist, so pushing back against it is obviously something you're going to feel an urge to do because you see somebody saying some wild shit and instinctively you wanna correct them or call them out for it. But it felt like something that was almost routine for Kanye fans, almost as if it was a point of pride to spend hours of your day defending a man who doesn't know you at all.
I think this primarily has to do with people's connection to music. Kanye sold himself on his genuineness, how he was never anything but himself no matter how many warts he had or how many critics piled on him. And that made people grew attached to his music in a way that, genuinely, I've only seen for a handful of rappers, and really none to the same degree. So that always results in people getting overly defensive and doing too much, because they can't separate what they like from themselves, so they take any attack on what they like/the people who make it as an attack on themselves as well. This is also the reason why many can't separate the art from the artist.
I had to click the ragebait title but you can't really believe that shit lol that's crazy
One thing I hate about left vs right politics is the need to categorize people into "good" or "bad." When you introspect and observe reality you'll realize that we are all kind of crappy people. Humility and forgiveness are core pillars to building a better society.
exactly. it’s important to note that both sides have equally scummy people in them. i’m left leaning, and i will acknowledge that there are some really crappy leftists who will lie and cheat to get what they want, who hide behind facades, who only hold the beliefs to impress others, the same as you’ll find on the right. the ONLY difference is their beliefs and values, and even then, they vary within themselves. it’s a very large spectrum, and there’s assholes across all of it.
So when someone consistently, and knowingly, commits actions and spews rhetoric that actively brings harm to other people, particularly already at-risk populations, genuinely, what do you call them? Just flawed?
@@6lacksappho456 I call them human. Most people aren't the villain in their mind movies. We all want to think of ourselves as the hero.
@@evildave7687 Oh okay 💀, got it.
Nah, Kanye was super nervous when he said George Bush didn’t care about black people. You could hear the tremble in his voice. 😂
The one thing that has always stuck with me about Kanye now is from an old story an ex of mine told me in 2021 - she knew a girl who was in sex work in NYC, and circa 2009-10, she got invited back to Kanye's apartment for... well, reasons. And what that girl found so strange was that in the pre-(insert disclaimer here), where a proprietor gets to know her client, Kanye kept showing off a bunch of weird, predominantly European fashion and art and music that he had collected. And he was so excited to share it and try to find someone who might know more about that... and when said girl ran out of ways to say 'that's interesting', his demeanor abruptly shifted and they got to (insert disclaimer here).
I remember not being remotely surprised that my ex told me that. Maybe it's tied to neurodivergence, maybe it's tied to trying to find someone who shares your weird idiosyncrasies and struggling within/without community (this was post Taylor Swift episode at the VMAs and his mother dying and the Amber Rose breakup, so this was a very isolated version of Kanye), but the tryhard weird streak has been there for a decade plus. And when it came out that he wanted to name the 2018 album 'ye' HITLER and had to be talked off the edge... again, none of this feels surprising.
For all that his behaviour and views are repulsive and have been for a long time, he seems like a deeply lonely person.
A surprising amount of higher class sex work is just sitting there while a lonely rich man talks at you, that's not just a Kanye thing. But it's definitely not surprising he's one of those
Kanye was (prolly still is) the black Holden Caulfield, end of story.
There’s background behind the original name for ‘ye’. He was trying to self sabotage his career. There’s videos out that explain it more
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Basically, he wanted to be rich, famous and applauded in order to do whatever he wants and not be accountable to anything or anyone.
Glad to see the video back up.
Dawg been told us to wait til he get his money right
THIS
Lol damn. Truer words.....
He stayed true to his word... that's commendable 🍂
Yeah, okay. I'll be listening to Tori Amos' chord progressions in the meantime😂
The porn addiction is a really vital piece to tracking his trip through the rightwing pipeline. People like Nick Fuentes and others in the Theocratic Fascism type zones gobble up dudes with porn addictions and mold that guilt into a Christian guilt, then into the zionism and antisemitism type shit associated with them. It all makes sense now. I was pretty young when Kanye was coming up, but I remember looking at him funny ever since he said that paparazzi was worse than nazis in his opinion on Flashing Lights. It has really all come together!
Ooh I never thought about this connection. The accessibility of porn that objectifies marginalized people as sex objects leads to addiction and shame that these rightwing folks hone into. Their “Christian” rhetoric never challenges the idea that marginalized people are objects but instead, reinforces this incel thought pattern that claims that your porn addiction is to be blamed by the actions of the people they think to be objects - they’re the one’s stopping you from getting what “you deserve” which made you turn to porn.
Very interesting point!
That line was in 2007. He's been like that for a while.
says the leftard
There are a lot of ways to go down some of these parts, they're interconnected.
He aint say that shit. He said he hates them more than the notzees.
caught this one one Nebula, back here for another watch. love your work, FD!
28:45 That lady's "Jesus Christ, Candace" was just perfect. I mean even growing up in white church, I still learned what a call and response is. It's pretty fundamental to like, every church service I've ever seen or participated in.
I was working at the Medieval Times gift shop right around the time “Late Registration” came out. Kanye, with posse in tow, stopped by every register demanding he be given things for free. Using that all too familiar line of nepotists and c-listers, “Do you know who I am?” It spoke volumes about him, and I was never able to take him as genuine ever since.
Best retort to "Do you know who I am" is _"Do I care?"_
@@bazzfromthebackground3696 I always liked the retort where someone declares they don't care if they're an even bigger figure, they still have to pay. e.g. "I don't care if you're the President of the United States, that's still gonna be $10.50."
I like the reply “I do now”. But you gotta be capable of delivering it right to make it burn properly. But I always favour subtlety in my retorts. It might not hit as hard in the moment but the burn lasts way longer and leaves a permanent mark on their subconscious when delivered properly.
@Mextazectaces Damn bro. The saying "all our heroes have feet of clay" seems appropriate here.
Sucks to hear these things, but unfortunately not too surprising at this point.
i can’t believe people say that irl
South Park released the "Fishsticks" episode in 2009 and used Kanye basically as a narrative device to stand-in as the one person who didn't understand the "fish dicks" pun. They basically painted him as shallow, self-obsessed, unable to relate to other people, and lashing out violently at anything he doesn't understand.
15 years later and it feels as eerily prescient as it did at the VMA's that took place a few months after the episode...
I deadass remember that episode 😂
They also predicted that Carlos Mencia wasn't funny
What about the EP where south park "killed Ye" by giving cartman medication?
@@TheDCbizwasn’t that Jlo? Either way I need to watch this asap
Gay Fish😂
Being bipolar is no excuse for gross behavior. My mom was bipolar and she grew up in Kentucky being born in 1952. So by the time it developed in the late 60’s early 70’s they still didn’t have great medical knowledge; especially for black people.
She still went on to getting her Masters degree in education, raised 3 amazing kids, and was a beloved educator.
Yes she had issues in wanting to take her meds..because that’s what the illness does to you. But she damn sure wasn’t out here bashing races and different people. She was somehow still responsible and took care of her business being a single mom of 3 with a debilitating mental illness.
That woman was AMAZING
glad to see this one reappear in my watch later. started it before work and it was gone when I got home. banger so far
Watched first thing on Nebula, watching again on TH-cam and commenting to feed the algorithm. Never stop FD.
You pay this guy and he can’t even like or comment
😂😂😂
@@mykalmcdo😂
Ugh, I was deep in my FD itch man. 38 mins should hold me over till your Drake/Kendrick essay.
FOR REAL I've been waiting for that to drop for damn near two months
Commenting to feed the algorithm! Love your videos
Glad this is back I didn’t get a chance to see it last week. Waiting on the Battle Rap video. I’ve been getting into battle leagues lately and wanna start actively following matches and watching them with the boys
Always happy to see serious Kanye discussion. Being a fan of his work feels more and more lonely as time goes on (for valid reasons)
Ill say this, as one of those percieved 'white' Black kids.
I had a ton of self-hatred for myself growing up and it was largely even internalized by my parents as long as I did well in school to eventually become something. I think what helped me out back then was actually having a black girlfriend who actually made me feel not alone in that disconnect and slowly it changed my perspective on others including myself. I definitely resented being Black and 'being one of the good ones' but it started to click that I did good for myself. So I started actually carrying myself with that energy through the end of HS and finished College without too much debt. Working at a decent job and I do feel more positive.
That kind of anti-blackness; Its something you either dig out of to see yourself as worth something or you wallow endlessly searching for validation to prove yourself in the eyes of others. If you like yourself, itll be harder to change but if you value too much of how others see you, youll never be satisfied. Then you become a Candace or a Kanye whos so disconnected they can only go back on what know works.
Interesting self analysis. It makes me think about the deep roots of racialized trauma and all the ways we need to bend ourselves in order to grit and bear this reality.
Healing also happens in relationships, so the more we connect with others the more we are able to form new understandings of self. To be outcast can create a sense of self loathing that can manifest in pretty awful ways.
Kanye is a poster child for internalized racism and it makes me sad.
Do you think that maybe if you were surrounding by adults that mirror this type of black you would have not fallen into that whole in the first place?
@@o._c. People like FD? Yeah it would have helped but honestly its very difficult to understate how pervasive that feeling can be. Every success is because you are expected to be, but every failure will feel like all eyes on you to watch as if you're a lost investment. It was in school with other kids judging you, it was what teachers teach with whitewashed books, it's in culture with people who don't recon that everyone's human and some just aren't lucky in capitalism at all.
It was that kind of toxic mindset of "working twice as hard to end up having half the pay" for me.
I was in a similar boat growing up. I had two black parents with masters degrees and went to predominantly white schools for elementary-middle, all the while I heard my parents subtly speaking down on black culture all the time. It wasn’t until the past couple of years that I realized I had internalized a lot of anti-blackness and subconscious prejudice for black people, but going to an HBCU has helped me tremendously.
The thing I always remember is that Kanye was in an SNL sketch about his tendency to interrupt awards shows BEFORE the Taylor Swift thing. He's a remarkably consistent person, we just couldn't see the signs that maybe those aspects of his personality were waiting to come out
Dude I love your stuff. Keep it up and appreciate your efforts in making these hip hop treatises
Subscribed to nebula when I saw this got taken down. Gunna have to watch it again here for the algorithm, thank you FD.
Soft rebuttal: His one Sway interview calling out homophobia in Hip Hop.
This wasn't a case of the broken clock. Kanye is genuinely sober, thoughtful and contemplative. It's the only time I've seen him cast himself as the perpetrator. It might be the only time I've seen a celeb cast himself as a perpetrator. He notes how his behavior is harmful, self-reflects as to why he did it. What combination of internal qualities and external factors led him to this life choice. Then rejects the part of him that did it so he can make the world a better place for queer folk. And invites the rest of Hip Hop to do the same.
It's definitely the last time he was this thoughtful in an interview and w/o a chip on his shoulder.
...so, 2005?
Yeahh no definitely seems like a case of the broken clock
FD really fighting my inner Kanye fan 😂
💯. I'm totally aware and still listening 😞😑😑😑😑
@@grandlotus2 I keep giving his music a chance, I must be a masochist at this point.
@@KinggDC I know I am
@@KinggDC I hate being a kanye fan, it.....
not that amazing anymore..
@@NeoEvanA.R.T it hasn’t been amazing since I was in highschool before all the maga hat bullshit and before he told Jay Z to call him on stage.
Great Commentary Bruh. Appreciate You. Blessed Life Fam 🙏🏽💪🏽
Glad you got the vid back!
His mom nurtured and advocated for a very quiet, shy kid to pursue his dreams. Now he feels the need to show her he’s independent and her work wasn’t in vain. When his mother passed he became a contrarian; he became obsessed w conflict due to his loss of stabilization. 808’s was sonically a mess. It’s only so beautiful bc he’s a savant. It reflects his attitude;disruptive, layered and filled w anomaly. The hate he spews now shows insularity wealth has afforded him. No one has reminded him that demonstrably false ideas are not under attack, they are just wrong.
His mom’s career as an educator should be inspected as well. Think about it, he came out w the whole hood-preppy look, there was mostly likely some respectability politics he was raised w that have only grown throughout his life
i fully agree with this
That sums it up. Contrarian, he doesn't seem to believe most of the controversial ideas he says. He just wants to defy
Definitely. His mother’s death really ushered in an era of unhinged contrarian-ness for Kanye.
I actually agree because 808s is the one year album i like (and definitely recognize it’s influence) but i dont like it as much as his other work
This honestly makes so much sense. It explains why Doja, Logic and other rappers that grew up in white spaces view their old rap -that they used to push them into star dom- with such "distaste"
It's so sad. They parade in blackness until stardom so they can throw away blackness for the whiteness they always wanted .
Logic definitely doesn't fall into that category. He sold out with everybody/COADM era but his heart is in the roots of boom bap and old hip hop. And he grew up in a mainly black atmosphere, he just gets perceived as white cuz he's so light skin
@@ceefahie Logic is white lmaoo
That self-hatred is crazy
He grew up in Gaithersburg MD. Not exactly the Chocolate City DC Is/was but racially diverse nonetheless. I agree with the first part of what you said tho@@ceefahie
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Just got to this-very much appreciate your commentary and analysis across the board, F.D.!! Killing it.
First time here. Nice refreshing perspective. Well done. Will be back. Thank you
It is really interesting to hear you say that Kanye was considered a woke rapper. I listened to Mos Def, Common, and Talib Kweli but never considered Kanye to be in the same category. I always associated him with being an ego-centered rapper, minus the violence. I saw him in the same way I would come to see J. Cole, a normal dude rapping about his thoughts.
Regarding bipolar, while it doesn’t make you a racist, it can feed into conspiratorial and erratic thinking (it’s often paired with schizophrenia for that reason). One of the worst things you can be is a mentally ill person who is told they’re brilliant because those are the ones who double down on conspiracies and stop taking their meds because they won’t believe anyone knows more about anything than them and, if they feel they don’t need medication or “normal” thought, they don’t.
Sometimes, in service of protecting the self-esteem of neuro-diverse black boys from a culture that would tear them down, parents fail to humble them and overprotect them. It’s hard to balance and that would be my assessment of Kanye.
i dont think kanye ever considered himself "woke" hes always been a vain person and has called himself that, him and drake actually actually have a lot in common
I agree with you describing J Cole as a guy rapping about his thoughts. However, Kanye was brilliant was a child which was shown in his documentary. Many people who struggle with mental illness especially bipolar disorder & schizophrenia are very talented but due to their illness it can hinder it. Donda West was very supportive of him but she was also honest. Kanye’s bad decisions and antiblack tendencies are the cause his own doing unfortunately.
@@user-td2zx2jy3c Is he any more brilliant than R. Kelly? We have to stop acting like bi-polar and schizophrenia automatically make you a savant. Both run in my family and some people are brilliant, some are not regardless of mental health. The issue is if you’re brilliant and everyone keeps telling you that to make a profit or cover your flaws. R. Kelly and Kanye are both surrounded by yes-men. Kanye acts like every smart, neuro-diverse black boy with social issues I’ve ever worked with. The difference is whether their parents and people around them focus more on their brilliance or more on their maladaptive social behaviors. Often, with black boys, to shield their self-esteem, parents focus less on that maladaptive behavior and Kanye gives those vibes. I am not blaming his parents for his behavior. I am saying that fame brought out his worst tendencies. Is he was a normal dude, he’d just be that really annoying uncle at family events that starts fights with everyone.
Woke wasn't even a thing back then, it was called conscious hip-hop. I think he was probably more supposed to be bridging the gap between conscious and commercial than wanting to be strictly pigeonholed as conscious.
A good example is the song All Falls Down off his first album, where he uses a play on the word "conscious", by talking about being self-conscious and that driving him to be materialistic, which he acknowledges in the song is ultimately a form of mental slavery. This was a very common theme in conscious lyrics, but as Kanye says "we all self-conscious, I'm just the first to admit it".
Other evidence of his early adjacency to conscious hip-hop not mention by FD is that he produced Get By by Talib Kweli, which was a fucking banger. And signed Common as one of the first people on GOOD Music, and exec produced his whole next album. This was a pretty big deal at the time because Common was almost considered underground.
Bipolar can definitely turn you into a racist if part of your obsessions ends up rolling on religion and spirituality, which Kanye's notably did, because of the proliferation of racism within religious institutions and dogma over the past 2000 years, and their recontextualization of old world texts projected onto modern understandings of language.
There is a lot of stuff about black people and having no souls, or black souls making peoples skin change color, etc in there.
There's a zine called "why misogynists make great informants" talking about how sexism is often one of the biggest tells of an informant, yet how people will let it slide. It's almost like an "acceptable" form of bigotry. I thought there was so many parallels to this history of kanye, highly recommend a read, it's pretty short
Edit: you can find this piece online. Just look up the title. It's written by courtney desiree morris
Sexism is definitely the most acceptable bigotry among men and some women, you see it a lot especially with hip hop discourse. There are genuinely people who think beating your wife is the least evil evil thing you can do (and that’s not a dig at Kendrick, Drake was talking out of his ass)
Where can I get this zine?
@@AliveBoldTV if you look up the title, theres a website with the full text! It's on truthout and by courtney desiree morris. I dont wanna post a link here in case it gets blocked but yeah!
@Fenilee also interested if you could share please. Identifying these “tells” makes the work of community creation easer
@@AliveBoldTV Look up the title and it pops up. Why Misogynists Make Great Informants. It's by Courtney Desiree Morris. There's a version on truthout, but there are also other sites that host it as well
thank god i left this in my watch later 🙏
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Glad this is back! Missed the video first time around
It surprises me people didn't realize this. I mean the dude has a giant ego, doesn't regulate his emotions, doesn't cope appropiatelu, and is too afraid of an objective assessment of himself. Plus, he's sexist and objectifies women.
Most people don’t. The rest of us knew and accepted this since 2015
He also was trying to copy ODB when he interrupted the award Swift was accepting
Idk abt the sexist stuff dawg
He treats objects like women man!
I hope you don't listen to hip hop cause you just described every rapper
Even back when everyone loved Kanye all I could wonder is "Why did he use a song about a woman being good to her man to make a song about women being trash?"
The man hasn't even changed, he's just become more obvious as the internet grew.
which song is that?
@@bleachjazz1726gold digger samples i got a woman by ray charles
@@bleachjazz1726 Gold Digger, it is built around a sample of "I Got a Woman" by Ray Charles where he sings "she give me money when I'm in need"
But Kanye tries desperately to fit it into a "women be shoppin" narrative going so far as to have the music video start with Jamie Foxx singing "She take my money..."
Pure divorced dude energy right there, that's so _bitter_ of him 😓
@@radishfestGold Digger came out way before his marriage
Glad this came up - TH-cam unsubbed me to almost everyone - so grateful i found you again (my memory is bad since covid & i have a hard time recalling who im subbed to).❤❤
Oh hey I stumbled here because the other day I took an edible and unblocked him on Spotify and decided to give Dark Fantasy and 808s a listen for the first time in years and I kid you not actually listening to the lyrics of Dark Fantasy made me feel like someone hit me over the head really hard. Bipolar and Schizophrenia run in my family, I myself have OCD, Anxiety, and Depression. I know how severe mental illness really transforms people. But also it's still just insane to see the contradiction in lyrics, especially listening to the early albums. He really was transformative for the '00s.
Hiding in the backroom watching this at 1.5 pretending I can't see how busy it is out on the floor
If I worked with you I'd be mad but understanding of this lol
Watching anything at 1.5 is legitimately insane
Good for you. You deserve a break once in a while too. I support this.😂
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This was such a great video. I never thought much about the Sway interview moment beyond "Wow, that was hilarious". But him saying "It ain't Ralph though", perfectly sums up your point. Sway tries to encourage Ye to invest into the community that has been down since 03-04 and his response is to downplay them. He essentially said to Sway "What can y'all give me?"
People with glasses always think they spitting deep. Bruh move it along
Phenomenal video F.D, I loved when you were on The Deprogram Podcast!
i think your point abt kanye's antisemitism is great. he's not abt the NOI, his antisemitism actually comes from anti blackness i think. he's very focused on the idea of jews as elites/manipulators, but almost exclusively as damaging white/american hegemonic culture.
♡ a jewish sociologist
This is was a perfect analysis. Deserves more thumbs up!
I dont think Kanye actually thinks through the implications of the things he says.
Lol
I think it comes from him realizing that he was being used for their benefit. He woke up to the whole "we don't control everything, but if you say something about us we will ruin your career and prevent you from getting a job etc etc". They started NWA (Jerry Heller) which started the gangster rap movement and has decimated their culture to this day. I think I would be upset to.
You missed the whole point. His antisemitism comes from hating Zionists and what they believe, but if you identify with them too good job for making yourself known.
If I didn’t think Kanye was finished before, I knew he was washed when he did the Like That Remix and nobody batted an eye lol
He flopped on many remixes before like that. Throw some d's comes to mind. There's more i forgot from that graduation era.
kanye did not release a Not like Us remix at all he did a like that remix because the producer of the song reached out to him to do so
Ain’t nobody finished boy. Mfs always come back around when the fire goes out 😂
You can tell who’s a hip-hop fan by these comments.
Thanks for pointing out the older interviews of kanye - i had never seen some of those before
This was my first time watching one of your videos (it was recommended) and holy shit, I’m a new fan. You’re so insightful, and also respectful and considerate of people. I appreciate you and your content. Looking forward to watching all of your catalog
Thank you for saying this. Knowing that your audience is primarily men makes this 1000x’s better because they will not listen to me when I tell them that Kanye is not “great” or “genius” for being a unafraid to be a brazen contrarian. Anyone can do that, but we choose not to because we’re sane, reasonable, and not crying out for attention and that’s a good thing. 🤷🏽♀️
saying kanye wasnt a genius atleast one point in his life is just objectively wrong, he's not a great person but you cant discredit everything
I think he was always ahead of the curve artistically. That wasn't hype. But I've never trust him as a spokesperson or representative of anything. I don't why people (usually men) do that.
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@@ronaldorobertson4697 talented, yes. genius no
Kanye was a genius when it came to making music in the past. Only in music was he that anybody acting as if he was a genius outside of that is delulu.
Kanye wasn’t ever really conscious, he just came up in a time where if you weren’t gangsta rap you were conscious and as that changed the true Kanye was revealed
That explains why he gets more credit than he deserves for being a "visionary" or thinker ahead of his time.
Best example is insane people giving him crazy "credit" for exposing the current conflict in the middle east.
People are just marrying the 2 but those rants were self-serving, shallow, hateful tirades.
What real truth bombs or knowledge did he drop?
Kanye music was definitely conscious.
kanye was conscious rapper, all falls down what rapper was rapping about being insecure.
This is a terrible take
He was def conscious at some point in his music fromJesus Walks to All Falls dow and Diamonds from Sierra Leone. His old MTV interview with Swae about the rampant culture of homophobia in rap back in 05. He wasn't always so reactionary
Wait…. The video doesn’t show on your channel and it was claiming it was private… but now it works in my Watch Later? Is this some ghost video?
It's under "unlisted", meaning that you csn see it if you either have a link or had it in a playlist or watchlater, but you can't find it on the actual channel because it's hidden to avoid potential negative traffic.
Nice to see it back up!
I’m a Gen Xer from the bay and the sway interview was the moment I completely left Ye alone. The Bay is where hip hop got independent spirit. The fact that Kanye was telling a Bay legend he only saw success through the eyes of white people was heartbreaking. Musically he had fallen off for me by then. But I didn’t have a problem with him or his character until after that. Then slavery was a choice was the point of no return.
Need a 'Lupe Fiasco is Underappreciated' video, sir
That’s never going to happen
That's my boi.
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@@Renegade-kf8fp why
I think Lupe gets the right amount of praise from the people that matter. His new joints are boring. Good emcee though.
i love your retrospectives on kanye sm
Youre extremely well spoken and talented, thank you for producing content. Im greatful for your channel❤
i love mike myers' face after he drops that. he's just in total shock lmao
as a white boy who went through the whole "saying wildly offensive shit is actually just a haha funny" phase as a very isolated teenager I found that my days spent spewing right-wing talking points and outright hatred under the thin facade of comedy and eventual rejection of those ideas to be a really formative moment in my devlopment and people like you (not you specifically cuz this was like nearly 10 years ago now but I'm pretty sure youll have a similar impact on some of the younger generations) who make this sort of informative left-wing thought pieces had a pretty big hand in that, so thanks for that or something idk this has little to do with the video but I fealt like saying it... yeah.... bye
If you start to think for yourself and get in touch with your emotions, you'll discover that all of the extremes are kinda shit. But the first step is to go outside and talk with real people. You'll constantly live in that bubble at home with extreme opinions coming left and right at you but we often forget that there's a real world out there and being angry will only bring harm to yourself and won't change anything. This is almost a form of self-abuse to stay at home on the internet and listen to all these political and extreme statements.
I agree that isolation like that is self abuse and that you shouldn't blindly follow what people on the internet say and should form your own opinions and world view, and of course you should go outside and make friends. I just don't agree that extremes are wholly bad (also I wouldn't call this video/content-creator extreme unless you deem anything beyond the status quo as such) or that anger is entirely harmful, I mean every product we consume comes at the cost of someone thousands of miles away suffering and often dying and I think everyone should be angry about that if we want to have a chance at stopping it, the devices you and I typed these on have likely had someone die to harvest the materials, someone suffer to put it together, those people will be payed pennies while those at the top will get millions. But anyway one more thing I've found that my political bubble as you call it has largely followed me into the real world with most of my friends having similar views to me and the ones who don't really don't care when I go into my more extreme rhetoric in fact arguing over those things have been a bonding experience for us so it's not like you can't exist outside of the internet with extreme ideologys both on the left and sadly with groups like neo nazis on the right.
@@w花bthe “extreme” left outside of deeply online takes like “Pol Pot did nothing wrong” is good actually
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@@Jus-Listen do you even know what the extreme left is? You have a weekend because of the extreme left
The Drake v Kendrick video gonna be bigger than Avengers: Endgame
The new background looks really good!