Depends on how the truck is spec'd out. My 23 Tremor F350 has the 12K GVWR package which gives me the 4200lb payload. Rides like a dump truck. My 2020 F350 had like 2900 lb payload and was much more comfortable. For me I think the biggest benefit of the Tremor is getting the front LSD and the trail turn assist.
I just purchased a 2023 F250 Limited and had my dealership changed out the front valance for a Tremor valance but the factory brackets now show. Can they be easily removed or cutoff?
Is this a set up that you would recommend to someone who will tow with it majority of the time? I’d like the improved ride quality. But I want to make sure there’s no loss in capability and payload capacity
The rear springs in this system are softer than stock, so for trucks that tow we just add in this airbag kit to maintain full capacity without giving up the 13" of rear wheel travel like a normal airbag kit would: www.cjcoffroad.com/collections/ford-air-bags/products/full-travel-f250-350-17-22-srw-airbag-kit
Assuming both trucks are on 37s, roof height is 86” for the 4.5/5.5” and 84” for the level height system. The level height kit has a 60.5” bed rail height and the 4.5/5.5 system has a 62.5” bed rail height.
Where did you put the wheel weights? I have 17s on my f350 and the wheel weights hit my calipers. Run them further in? But then it’s just static balanced correct? Thank you any response is appreciated
@@CJCOffRoad thank you for the response. my truck is at the shop as i type this, what are the cons of a static balance will my tires wear faster? I have 17in method wheels and 35in Toyo A/T would it be worth selling this set up i just bought to get a larger rim? Wish i knew before i ordered them didn’t even think about caliper clearance
We're working to figure out a solution long term. For the time being, we're using ForScan to disable it since it's a 2023 only feature. 2024 no longer has auto leveling headlights.
As a temporary solution, we're fixing the sensors at the factory ride height position so they sit at the proper angle. There will be a more permanent solution coming however.
I have a 2024 F350 Tremor and I am trying to find out if I can put on 35/12.50R20 Falken AT4W tires on 20x9 wheels with a -12 offset with no suspension changes and no trimming or rubbing??
What’s the your recommendation for wheel offset for a 2023 f350 want 17” methods race wheels and 37s? Do the hub caps fit with the new axles? I’ll be running Carli pin top system.
To fit 37s on a Super Duty, we typically recommend around 0 offset to +18 offset on a 8.5-9.5” wide wheel. For reference, 0 offset gives a slight poke, while +18 is flush with the fender flares on a Tremor package truck. The hub caps fit perfectly!
Since these Carli systems change spring rates and increase travel dramatically, we turn off the on board scales using ForScan as they no longer read accurately.
Nice build! So you know how big of tires I can go with out any modifications on my 2023 F250 Lariat factory high? Any info it'll be appreciated. Thank you! Keep up the nice work!
I just got my 2023 F250 lariat Tremor crew cab 6.7 HO which I absolutely love on Saturday. I have a set of 20x10 -18 offset wheels riding on 37 x 12.5 nitto mud terrains that I kept from my 2021 F250 STX/FX4 on a readylift 4” suspension that I traded in. Will the 3.5 Back Country allow me to put these on or will I have to wait for the 5.5 system to come out? What’s the ETA for that system to come out as well, always love your guys videos. Please advise and thanks!
Actually, with an offset that aggressive you'll even be tight on the 4.5" if you want to actually flex the truck out. We usually recommend no more than -12.
Thanks for replying CJC I’m a huge fan. I would have made a mistake going with the 3.5 setup. You saved me from buying a lift two times rather that buying the right 1 once!!!
These new 10 speed Fords do just fine with the factory gears and 37s! The TCM does a much better job of learning and adapting shift points based on the new tire size than previous trucks.
What is the measurement of the carli track bar with the tremor on a 23? I just installed your kit on my 23 and the tires look like it sticks out further on the passenger side.
The track bar should be 37-5/16” for a 2.5” lift or 37-7/16” for a 4.5” lift. Keep in mind though that proper track bar length should center the axle through the full wheel travel, and not center it at ride height.
@@CJCOffRoad but this is a 23 Tremor and it’s not rated at a 2.5 or 4.5. Your site shows a 3.5 with the tremor getting only a 1.5. What’s the measurement of y’all’s 23 model tremor track bar?
@@CJCOffRoad but this is a 23 Tremor and it’s not rated at a 2.5 or 4.5. Your site shows a 3.5 with the tremor getting only a 1.5. What’s the measurement of y’all’s 23 model tremor track bar?
Is there any word on when Carli will have their e-venture and other components available for the 23? It looked like a fairly long list of items not compatible
As of today (Jun 22) The radius arms, low mount stabilizer, and radius arm drops are not compatible. Radius arm drops are being welded now so we'll have those very soon, radius arms are in development, and the new front diff guard necessary to run the low mount stabilizer is on the way too. In about 3 months time we should have everything!
How much trimming do I need to do with this set up on 38x13.50r17 -12 offset? I can't decide which set up I wanna get. 4.5" is a little too high for my taste but if I can clear 38s with minimal or no trimming at all, might just get the 4.5" but really want to run 2.5" on 38s. Is that possible with minimal trimming?
You can run 38s on a 0 offset wheel at level height, but -12 will make for more trimming than we'd personally want to do on a new truck. Our shop Ford is leveled on 38s and works awesome after a basic trim job.
Do you have any videos on ram 3500 dually ? Or have any in the making? Not air ride? I have a 3500 dually and wanting to get ideas to do a simple good looking build
Oh yes, an additional $4,730 for a front shorter valance and a decal (that many will remove) by the time you add the Carli system.. absolutely necessary!! LOL
The trimmer option is a big deal. It gives a different approach angles for the front bumper and the rear bumper. Along with fuel tank, skid plates, transfer Case,
Hmm, generally 250 is for heavy towing and heavy payloads. But for vanity sake you turned it into a medium heavy duty raptor.. shoulda just got a trx with all that cash.
This truck can tow and haul just like factory with the addition of of a Full Travel bag kit. Why not have a truck that can go off road comfortably and tow? To us, it seems even better equipped to do the things a truck needs to do now.
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Nice to see a tire and wheel combo somewhat tucked in...
Why? These truck bodies are too narrow, get those tires out a little!
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I love that the Tyres are not sticking that much outside/zero trimming & it's not ott.
Great looking truck! Thanks for explaining why starting with a Tremor might be a good idea!
Very nice build!! Congrats to the owner☝🏻👍🏼. And to you guy’s as always.
Looks perfect. I'm thinking of leveling my Tremor.
Still waiting on Carli to do a kit with control arms on the 23 450s.
Nice shirt 👕 !
You guys are awesome !!!!
Nice build for sure!!!!
Nice setup! Would you recommend this on an FX4 config that needs to plow lightly in the winter? Also, what does this full setup cost?
Is there a benefit other than the front LSD to starting with a tremor, when you're replacing the tires and suspension?
This is what I want to know
Depends on how the truck is spec'd out. My 23 Tremor F350 has the 12K GVWR package which gives me the 4200lb payload. Rides like a dump truck. My 2020 F350 had like 2900 lb payload and was much more comfortable. For me I think the biggest benefit of the Tremor is getting the front LSD and the trail turn assist.
I was just thinking I wish CJC would post more vids ;)
I just purchased a 2023 F250 Limited and had my dealership changed out the front valance for a Tremor valance but the factory brackets now show. Can they be easily removed or cutoff?
Is this a set up that you would recommend to someone who will tow with it majority of the time? I’d like the improved ride quality. But I want to make sure there’s no loss in capability and payload capacity
The rear springs in this system are softer than stock, so for trucks that tow we just add in this airbag kit to maintain full capacity without giving up the 13" of rear wheel travel like a normal airbag kit would: www.cjcoffroad.com/collections/ford-air-bags/products/full-travel-f250-350-17-22-srw-airbag-kit
1) Is this this 3.5" or the 5.5" kit?
2) What is the offset on the wheels?
Great looking setup.
This is the level height (2.5/3.5) setup.
Do you know if you can put Carli shocks or suspension on a 1979 Ford F350???
Awesome!
Love the set up! Please forgive me but I’m new to understanding suspension. Why get the tremor package if you’re going to update suspension? Thanks
The Tremor package is just F-350 rear leaf packs and taller front coils, so nothing to keep!
So what I’m asking is there an advantage to getting the Tremor if you’re going to put the 3.5 Carli pin too? Thank you so much for replying.
Whats the overall height after this setup?
Assuming both trucks are on 37s, roof height is 86” for the 4.5/5.5” and 84” for the level height system. The level height kit has a 60.5” bed rail height and the 4.5/5.5 system has a 62.5” bed rail height.
Where did you put the wheel weights? I have 17s on my f350 and the wheel weights hit my calipers. Run them further in? But then it’s just static balanced correct? Thank you any response is appreciated
Up against the spokes, which you are correct makes it a static balance.
@@CJCOffRoad thank you for the response. my truck is at the shop as i type this, what are the cons of a static balance will my tires wear faster? I have 17in method wheels and 35in Toyo A/T would it be worth selling this set up i just bought to get a larger rim? Wish i knew before i ordered them didn’t even think about caliper clearance
There's no cons as the wheels are still balanced, it's just a different method of doing so.
What's the OEM suspension travel amounts?
Is there any way to get the pintop kit on a 2023 limited and keep the auto leveling headlight feature?
We're working to figure out a solution long term. For the time being, we're using ForScan to disable it since it's a 2023 only feature. 2024 no longer has auto leveling headlights.
Interesting, i didn’t know they cancelled that feature. Is there a way to re-aim the headlights lower?
As a temporary solution, we're fixing the sensors at the factory ride height position so they sit at the proper angle. There will be a more permanent solution coming however.
I have a 2024 F350 Tremor and I am trying to find out if I can put on 35/12.50R20 Falken AT4W tires on 20x9 wheels with a -12 offset with no suspension changes and no trimming or rubbing??
Nope + 12 or level it ya poor bastad
What’s the your recommendation for wheel offset for a 2023 f350 want 17” methods race wheels and 37s? Do the hub caps fit with the new axles? I’ll be running Carli pin top system.
To fit 37s on a Super Duty, we typically recommend around 0 offset to +18 offset on a 8.5-9.5” wide wheel. For reference, 0 offset gives a slight poke, while +18 is flush with the fender flares on a Tremor package truck.
The hub caps fit perfectly!
What will this do to the on board scales? Will the lift cause any issues with the electronics?
Since these Carli systems change spring rates and increase travel dramatically, we turn off the on board scales using ForScan as they no longer read accurately.
Nice build! So you know how big of tires I can go with out any modifications on my 2023 F250 Lariat factory high? Any info it'll be appreciated. Thank you! Keep up the nice work!
At stock height you can run 35s no problem, or 37s with a little trimming.
My 23 F350 has 34” tires from factory. A 35” tire would fit with no rubbing and will be my next tire when the stock tires wear out.
I just got my 2023 F250 lariat Tremor crew cab 6.7 HO which I absolutely love on Saturday. I have a set of 20x10 -18 offset wheels riding on 37 x 12.5 nitto mud terrains that I kept from my 2021 F250 STX/FX4 on a readylift 4” suspension that I traded in. Will the 3.5 Back Country allow me to put these on or will I have to wait for the 5.5 system to come out? What’s the ETA for that system to come out as well, always love your guys videos. Please advise and thanks!
Actually, with an offset that aggressive you'll even be tight on the 4.5" if you want to actually flex the truck out. We usually recommend no more than -12.
Thanks for replying CJC I’m a huge fan. I would have made a mistake going with the 3.5 setup. You saved me from buying a lift two times rather that buying the right 1 once!!!
With the rear being that high do you need a trac bar to reduce axle wrap with the 4.5/5.5 lift?
What’s a build like this cost? Using the same exact lift and everything like that?
We have all the pricing shown on our website: www.cjcoffroad.com/collections/carli-2023-ford-suspension-systems
With mickey Thompson making a 42x13.50r20LT. theoretically how much trimming would need to be done on a Ford 22/23' dominator upgrade kit
A LOT! There's nowhere for that tire to go at full compression unless you do some serious cutting.
Cost of labor at the cjc shop in long beach for a pin top system on a 22 tremor?
If you don't mind, shoot us an email as there's a lot of factors that influence pricing! Sales@cjcoffroad.com
The trophy hitch, what is different on the 23' vs 22' to make it be different
Carli is making a model that will fit 23+ and be reverse compatible.
Nice!
How would this build affect pulling a Momentum28G Toy Hauler, where the trailer is maxed out at 13,000 lbs? (I have a 2022 Diesel Tremor)
All you’d need is one of the airbag kits we sell!
What’s the pay load? Is it sacrificed?
We have multiple rear leaf and airbag options depending on needs to retain payload capacity.
What gears would you run with that set up?
These new 10 speed Fords do just fine with the factory gears and 37s! The TCM does a much better job of learning and adapting shift points based on the new tire size than previous trucks.
Hi just got a 23 Tremor Lariat... this is what I'm looking for... what's the cost on this please?
Here's a link to the systems that fit your truck so you can see pricing:
www.cjcoffroad.com/collections/2-5-systems
What is the measurement of the carli track bar with the tremor on a 23?
I just installed your kit on my 23 and the tires look like it sticks out further on the passenger side.
The track bar should be 37-5/16” for a 2.5” lift or 37-7/16” for a 4.5” lift. Keep in mind though that proper track bar length should center the axle through the full wheel travel, and not center it at ride height.
@@CJCOffRoad but this is a 23 Tremor and it’s not rated at a 2.5 or 4.5. Your site shows a 3.5 with the tremor getting only a 1.5. What’s the measurement of y’all’s 23 model tremor track bar?
@@CJCOffRoad but this is a 23 Tremor and it’s not rated at a 2.5 or 4.5. Your site shows a 3.5 with the tremor getting only a 1.5. What’s the measurement of y’all’s 23 model tremor track bar?
Question: can add 37s on a F250 with fx4 package without adding a lift?
As long as you do a little fender liner trimming, yes.
Is there any word on when Carli will have their e-venture and other components available for the 23? It looked like a fairly long list of items not compatible
As of today (Jun 22) The radius arms, low mount stabilizer, and radius arm drops are not compatible. Radius arm drops are being welded now so we'll have those very soon, radius arms are in development, and the new front diff guard necessary to run the low mount stabilizer is on the way too. In about 3 months time we should have everything!
So if hauling a fifth wheel camper, don’t get the sway bar?
5th wheels are fine since it isn't a high center of gravity. We just don't recommend them for large in bed campers.
Can you tell me the model wheels on this setup?
You don’t need a tremor for the electronic diff. Not sure why you would get the tremor still if you are going to mod the suspension anyway.
Exactly
I wanna see more 2000's F250 or F350
Does it fit thru a car wash??
It's going to be really close. Think it depends on tire. Leveled on 37s will be 84-86" I believe
So what do I need to know about 17s on a SD?
Clearance is VERY tight. Only some wheels fit, and they require static wheel balancing with the weights placed out of the path of the caliper.
Thank you.
@@CJCOffRoadcan you tell me if 17” Method 318 et0 will clear the calipers?
How much trimming do I need to do with this set up on 38x13.50r17 -12 offset? I can't decide which set up I wanna get. 4.5" is a little too high for my taste but if I can clear 38s with minimal or no trimming at all, might just get the 4.5" but really want to run 2.5" on 38s. Is that possible with minimal trimming?
You can run 38s on a 0 offset wheel at level height, but -12 will make for more trimming than we'd personally want to do on a new truck. Our shop Ford is leveled on 38s and works awesome after a basic trim job.
The total price of the truck and mods must be close to $130k USD
Do you have any videos on ram 3500 dually ? Or have any in the making? Not air ride? I have a 3500 dually and wanting to get ideas to do a simple good looking build
We have plenty! Air and non air both sit the same with these systems.
So where’s my set up for someone who does put the slide in camper in the bed of his truck?
Give this video a watch as it's all about that topic! th-cam.com/video/NAFdTvkxZvE/w-d-xo.html
Can someone tell me how much something like this would cost?
If you have to ask, you can’t afford it…
We have all parts pricing on our website! Just click the links in the description.
Yeah, waiting for the guy asking about gas mileage too.
For some reason, still looks stock to me
Oh yes, an additional $4,730 for a front shorter valance and a decal (that many will remove) by the time you add the Carli system.. absolutely necessary!! LOL
I just think those wheels are just too small for those tires. even the 18 inch wheels i have seen on 37s are too small but then you give up sidewall.
Yeah, too small, go 18s at least.
Big wheels just make a rough ass ride! I ditched my 20's for 18 's, and 35x12.50 12 plys👍
That Tremor sticker needs to vanish
I just debadged my FX4 and it looks much better
Yeah we’re not sure who decided on orange decals…
👍🏻 I drove straight home from the dealership, and immediately removed mine😂
The trimmer option is a big deal. It gives a different approach angles for the front bumper and the rear bumper. Along with fuel tank, skid plates, transfer
Case,
@@Leonardo-tj6up the Tremor package isn't the issue being debated.... it's the stupid orange color of the Tremor decals.
It needs LED taillights, what's up with Ford being so cheap. GM has LED taillights!
Hmm, generally 250 is for heavy towing and heavy payloads. But for vanity sake you turned it into a medium heavy duty raptor.. shoulda just got a trx with all that cash.
🤣 trx for towing?
This truck can tow and haul just like factory with the addition of of a Full Travel bag kit. Why not have a truck that can go off road comfortably and tow? To us, it seems even better equipped to do the things a truck needs to do now.
@@fergotticopy that jajajaja
That rear bumper has to go, yuck.
No 8 foot bed, no a man’s truck…….
I just can’t get past that awful looking front end.