What percentage of that story do you think might be true? Or, how many words could be removed without hurting it's accuracy? Tunnels? Really? Factories in China still have dirt floors? Who ever wrote this story must have seen that WWII prisoner of war movie where they dumped the excavated tunnel dirt into the flower beds. The motive, or reward for taking this journalistic license? Forty bucks! Which does not mean there is no truth to it. However, if this were a political matter, it would be complete fiction.
People like to insult China for being "cheap" but these factory employees risking their livelihoods are the sole reason many of us in the repair business can do what we do. We owe everything we have to those devoted strangers. I'm sure some of the things in this article have been embellished but I can say with certainty all of the key points are true. I know a few people who work in these factories in China and they have shared some interesting stories with me. I'm not so sure about the tunnels thing, but people do in fact hide parts and attempt to smuggle them out, and Apple really does have a security division that investigates leaks. As described in the article, they do this by infiltrating leaker circles and tracing back to the source. They are so concerned about leaks that they'll pay for an entire group of people to infiltrate street markets in Shenzhen but they won't let us buy parts directly from them. Perfect example of paying a dime to save a penny.
hill billy as an iPhone user this comment is even ironic to me you're trying to fan boy apple by trying to throw such a point which to you is so unrealistic as an apple fanboy that it's ironic that Samsung does actually let you buy nearly every part
@OneAboveAll Actually they would probably make more $$ by treating customers correctly and allowing "Right to Repair" to happen. Am I ever going to buy a new apple product? Nope. I have a cheap used iphone and ipad. Purchased used for pennies on the dollar. I refuse to purchase the newer products sense Apple treats repair centers like &hit....and their "Genius Bars" 100% suck and do not actually repair or attempt to recover data...but they will up-sell you to another machine costing well over a thousand dollars... With a big F-U!!! to that customer. We have a local guy that is extremely well trained, he used to be an authorized 'center' years ago...And he's having the same exact problem as Louis. He's been stone walled on getting his 'authorization ' back sense he actually tries to repair the customers Apple Gear, and not upsell to pimp out Apple Products. If Apple where to give 2 &hits about their end user? Then I would spend some $$ and get a new iphone or tablet, etc... But I know if that product would fail---I would be SOL in trying to recover data or get my device repaired by the dingbats at the "Genius Bars"... Thank God for people like Louis and Noal at our local repair center! Because what they might lack in "Factory"? They gain back with "Service"
Codi Lankford Holy shit, I just noticed how many subscribers he has. He deserves all of them, though, he really cares about what he does and cares about teaching others.
When CEO's, who make millions per year, decided to move their production to China, they were giving the IP to China, to think otherwise is naive/childish, they make those huge salaries under the premise they are wise enough not to make such stupid mistakes, and also, they were warned, but they incorrectly believed those warning them, just had their own interests in mind ( American middle class jobs).
It was a decent article, although I would have appreciated more sources/citations for $40. This video will make $15-$20 so it was only $20 to read the article which was worth it to satisfy my curiosity. If no one wants to pay for decent journalism, people will stop doing it.
Well, they're just [extremely offensive racial slur], so who cares?* *This statement is intended as snark and does not represent the actual opinions of myself. I am not at liberty to say if this is the opinion of Apple executives, but I life this were the opinion of Apple executives, I would not be surprised. Reading the previous statements will void your Apple warranties.
@@alaeriia01 No bigotry required, where exactly did you get this idea from that rich people give a single solitary fuck about the lives of any of us peasants of any race? Stop falling for that divide and conquer bullshit.
Just don’t make it painful to register. Please don’t make it painful to register. $39... yeah that is pretty painful, lucky for him he has so many good people on his twitch to donate in compensation.
Well... we know apple is costly because of the brand name, not the performance it provides, mostly. But this is just unbelievable . BTW love the channel.
Imagine you could take your Ford only to an authorized Ford service, you would not be able to buy after market parts or spare parts that are not coming from Fords supply chain. Imagine your local non-brand repair shop would not be able to read the diagnostic information from your car, because Ford won't sell them the proprietary reading device. Heck, Ford would even mandate the Ford branded oil or warranty void. etc, etc This is what Apple is doing! Why do we have to fight this same fight all over again until law makers start effing doing their jobs!?
It doesn't matter how much you pay them. Apple is not Chinese, therefore this is the "right thing" to do for the good of China as a whole. At least... this is how it's viewed BY the Chinese people and government in general. This is something I've been learning about over the past few years more and more, this whole cultural mentality that seems to be "China vs the world" from an outside perspective. (It bleeds over into online games in a nasty way, sometimes. Frustrating AF when you're instantly and automatically hated/viewed as the enemy just because you're not "one of them" just because of your origin, in-game behavior or skills/lack of not even counting.) The reason why the PRC doesn't pursue or enforce ANY laws regarding copyrights in cases like this is all tied to a very strong cultural loyalty that they've been enforcing for generations. There are countless examples of how they automatically group together any time it's "China vs". Foreign tourist gets robbed, tries to stop the thief who then yells to the crowd that they made a racial slur (which they didn't even know, not speaking a word of Chinese), and they are beaten by a mass crowd instantly. Man catches a pickpocket IN THE ACT, his hand still in the man's pocket, thief screams out that he is being attacked (since his arm is being held), man gets beaten, hospitalized. And many more cases. Why? Because they are not Chinese. Therefore they are the enemy. It's been so deeply engrained in their minds through upbringing and repeated propaganda that nobody would even THINK of doing anything else in that situation, for fear of being viewed as an enemy as well, and made the next target of said mob if you don't act viciously enough as part of it. Any sort of intellectual property theft from an outside source is considered honorable, because you are "bringing the power/money to China", basically. It's a huge "for the party" mentality that has been growing stronger and stronger over the past few years. I highly recommend checking out ADVChina for more info on that, as they've done some pretty awesome videos. (Also the first and longest-running TH-camrs from China, so good over-time perspective there, letting you compare their older stuff to current ones, drawing your own conclusions.)
According to a few people familiar with the matter, some people are familiar with the matter that the matter is familiar to some people - A person familiar with the matter. Seriously though, $40 for an article that doesn't have any sources other than "person familiar with the matter" seems like a bit much. Don't delay, be familiar with the matter today! Great video as always, Louis! Thank you!
That is likely because industrial machines that run macOS basically don't exist. Majority is Windows (old versions most of the time too) or Linux/Unix. In addition to that, the factories aren't just for Apple, rather they work for multiple corporations, so they can use whatever machines they want.
thunderbolt10031 Everyone’s talking about machinery - none of these machines will run a proper operating system. What they’re talking about with Windows 7 and later is for running CAD software which is almost exclusively developed for and run on Windows operating systems. CAD stands for computer assisted design and is where the bulk of the iPhone is designed and developed. From the physical assembly, to the circuit and pcb schematics. It’s all done in CAD and on Windows. This is why engineers don’t usually use macs.
InfernosReaper InfernosReaper most high end cad packages don’t support Mac, or if they do, the Mac version is almost always inferior to the pc version (think of Microsoft word for Mac lmao). Also cad is fucking hard to make. It’s probably one of the most difficult types of programs to make out there, which is why high end cad products will cost large engineering firms hundreds of thousands if not millions of dollars. I garuantee that over the life of the company Apple will have spent upwards of $10M on CAD packages.
Sounds like the USA and Canada need to start hammering on "Right To Repair" acts - open up parts and schematics after x amount of years, say 5 at most, or *ALL* sales get banned. No more mercy for these crooked megacorps. This is what happens when mega-businesses are let off the leash too damn much.
Right to schematics after 5 years max? It should be day one of product launch. After 5 years the majority of devices would be long sitting in a landfill.
or these company's can have schematic's available at launch or no further sales can be legally made and any illegal sales come with a fine of 10 times more than the msrp of the product for each unit sold.
About ad embarrassing as when Microsoft ran Hotmail on Unix servers for quite a few years. It fell apart when they migrated to Windows and they had to pause the project and revert. That was the moment MS finally realised Windows Server was a piece of crap and they got stuck into fixing it (to their credit, Windows 8 and above have been quite efficient on resources - if they could fix the crappy user experience, it'd possibly convince me to go back).
@@tin2001 Microsoft also started making gui-less server installs because their internal admins and devs wanted it so bad. It has been up and down with public availability, they don't really want to do it.
@@tin2001 windows 10 is the best OS they have made. You can make it crappy like windows 8 tiles. Or it is similar to windows 7 if yoi leave it alone. Its also fast. All gaming capability increased an extremely noticeable amount.
Usually when a news site has a paywall just to view a single article, I just leave the site and go to another one. Same with the sites that use AntiAdblockers.
Louis, I'm at a point where my career is taking off. I hit a ceiling and need to start my business. I have all the knowledge I need to do so. I admire you for having your own and I know you're gonna do great. Cheers! I wish you the best for all your effort and honesty. You do more for people than they deserve, since most people are trash
@@UndercastEsmeganitrospeed Then it's obviously not working. Nothing wrong with using old stuff in a offline environment where the usage is rather simple
I can't imagine that the staff that get caught stealing are simply shown the door... Perhaps the next phone housing color should be called "Blood red".
Someone should make a Louis out of context video. Just taking all the great one liners Louis says and make a mash up of it. It would be hilarious. You see a nerf gun fight and then out of nowhere a GTFO of my store we're closed.
To the viewer, if you don't watch anything else from this video, tune into 10:33 - 12:46. Our boy's got a piece of truth pie to hand out. Thanks for the video Louis, very interesting stuff you have shared. I was raised in Cupertino and Apple ruined my town. We don't live there anymore.
Pro-tip: next time, copy a sentence near the end of the free part, then do a web search with that sentence in quotes. In the meantime, I turned off my adblocker and let six minutes worth of ads run on this video. 16:05 - Apple wants to eat their cake and have it too. ¬_¬
In the 80s in Poland it was common practice of TV / HiFi manufacturers to include schematic into device's package (mostly it was folded into operation manual). Good old days :)
Manufacturers used to publish and sell schematics of their consumer electronics. They also sold parts for their devices. Third party companies like Sams Photofacts legally published and sold schematics. (I just looked - Sams is still selling schematics for consumer electronics. Just not Apple's.).
North Korea has a HUGE blackmarket for basic necessities such as groceries, clothing, and computing devices. The North Korean government is well aware of this underground market and they simply just institute a tax penalty to those caught. Apple has a HUGE blackmarket for repair parts, they deprive their employees of basic human rights, expose developing fetuses to X-ray radiation levels equivalent to upper atmosphere levels DAILY, makes their female employees strip off their bras, confiscates their employees private devices in the off chance they took a photo, infiltrate employees private lives to spy on what they say and who to, arrests and imprisons their slave labor employees for potentially life because they didn’t destroy a recycled motherboard... Only Apple could one-up the North Korean government on brutality and deplorable conditions... EVEN NORTH KOREA DOESNT NEED TO INSTALL SUICIDE NETS!!
25:48 Window XP embedded was being used on manufacturing equipment and in some cases able to be accessed from outside the network creating security issues thus requiring windows 7 or later.
That is one thing these greedy companies don't seem to get, if they actually paid and treated their employees well, their employees would return the favor in the form if doing their job well and doing other kinds of good for their employer.
Can you explain all the people that have done leaks or tried to give stuff to China, etc where the people we're well off? You think the people leaking stuff in the Trump administration are poor? Some people can't help themselves. You know the 1 or 2 people that like to gossip at work? Those would be the type of leakers. Some people can't help themselves. The people making Apple products at Foxconn are actually paid pretty good for China wages. You can't compare what they pay people in China to the U.S. Which is why products are made in China. China does have a big growing middle class that they used to not have before the tech industry went there.
I have a way to get around that "keep charging 'em" bit. Use a separate card on a bank account to charge it, when you start getting sat on, cancel the card and close the bank account.
As someone who does repair on audio equipment, the number of companies that won't disclose their schematics is bafflingly huge and it's incredibly annoying.
@4:16 “let me get a card that has easy chargebacks” hahaha I swear this is the story of my life, Bank of America is like a guarding dog. It’s just the third person’s money they’re guarding, not yours(the account holder). 🤣
The increased cost for all these security measures SURELY is more profitable than selling parts and giving them access to proprietary tools and schematics directly to repair shops... Or doing real repairs by themselves...
Just install browser agent switcher extension/addon and set it to Google Bot when viewing paywalled sites. Most of them allow Google Bot to access full content for SEO and search engine visibility.
Huh. I used to work for Jabil circuits, debugging assembly-line internet switching boards for a contract subbed from Lucent, in 1989-90 in MA. At the time, they were shifting into other markets to build on their automotive component business.
In the industry I am in, there are no published schematics available, only block diagrams. Part of my job was learning Eagle CAD and reverse engineering each board and writing repair and trouble shooting guides. It is a time consuming and expensive process, but when finished enables the repair. This is industrial electronics, not consumer electronics. Most equipment is worth more than my house several times over, so it is worth repairing. It is hard to get a return on investment for something consumer oriented such as a Macbook motherboard. Needless to say, I don't have the volume as Louis. It is interesting work as it is in robotics and motion control.
Imagine the margins a manufacturer needs to have in order to finance this kind of insane security measures. I am in the business of assembling PCBs in the automotive industry and the market is super competitive. We need to fund audits, but that scale sounds completely impossible compared to our profits in the industry.
@Louis Rossmann Employees at Foxconn (and Chinese factories in general) actually make a decent salary. It's just that housing is so crazy expensive near there due to how overcrowded it is, and that's why you see entire families living in tiny studio apartments.
When I bought my first computer in the late 1980's (when I was finally able to afford one) it came with detailed documentation - including a booklet just for troubleshooting, and schematics, just so that it could be repaired! None of the components had its markings sanded off, nor was any of the hardware obfuscated or in any way made hard to repair. Software was proprietary but that's another thing. Back then if your TV broke you took it to get repaired, just like your fridge, dishwasher, washing machine or VHS player. If you knew someone with the knowledge you could go to that person and give them a case of beer as thanks for fixing your stuff. Everyone was happy and you only threw away electronics that were beyond economic repair (which was almost never) or simply had reached its end of life. Only 10 years later this almost didn't exist any longer. Some due to advances in electronics like cheap ASIC's and complex surface mount technology that joe public hadn't figured out how to fix themselves (BGA etc) but the real problem was that schematics were getting harder to come by. In many fields they were still obligated to provide schematics, but they made them damn hard to find, often impossible if you didn't have the right connections and in only a few years the electronics section of the dumps (waste) outgrew the ones for white goods! (many of us made some real finds here before they clamped down on "stealing" garbage...) At some stage they outright stopped supplying schematics realising there was more money in making electronics that couldn't be repaired and everyone followed suit... :( I'm a firm believer of the right to repair. Heck, I even learned electronics just because I refused to throw away perfectly fine products that just had a dodgy power supply, or just a dry solder joint?! This is 2019 and almost everyone are talking about the environment and how we're killing the planet. Why aren't we changing the law to enforce not just the "right to repair" but the "required to be repaired"? This way we could force not just the electronics industry but also larger parts of the whole manufacturing industry to ensure that their products must be repairable - under the flag of environment so that they can't argue against it in general. Sadly this is just a wet dream because those who rule are being paid by those who manufacture, but if nobody at least try we'll never know? I'm never going to touch an Apple product in my life because what they are. I come from the UNIX world and I expect my hardware to run forever. I might not use Sun computers at home any longer but all of my Intel based computers can be repaired, including my laptops. There are no "security screws" keeping them from being opened, nor are any batteries glued in place. HP, Dell, Fujitsu - it doesn't matter. They can all be repaired and they have all excellent service departments that you can ask. I even got the schematics for my Fujitsu Lifebook when it broke down after 7 years so I could repair the motherboard myself! I'm surprised that so many people are using Apple products but they've managed to form some sort of religion and people will sadly pay for whatever they release - even though it's garbage, in a fancy package. You're doing a fantastic job Louis repairing people's broken phones and computers! (and even teaching them to do it themselves!) They should know better than buying this crap, but even crap deserves to be repaired. At least under the flag of the environment... I'm totally against all types of theft but leaking the schematics so people can repair their electronics isn't comparable to stealing components! I highly doubt people get paid for the schematics anyway, not in the same sense as selling stolen phones or components. If Apple did repair their own products this wouldn't be such a big issue, but they don't even do that - just plainly lie in order to sell people replacement products at full price... That's criminal! When the likes of John Deere starts to use the same business model as Apple claiming you're not allowed to repair your own damn tractors - it's about f-ing time to pull the hand break before screwdrivers and soldering irons are outlawed!?! We're not far away from it. Sorry for long rant but it's an important one imho.
Louis, I'm amazed that your haven't heard of Huaqiangbei (Hua Qiang Bei - pronounced 'Hwa Chun Bay') - it is 40 mins down the road from my factory in Shenzhen and is the largest electronics market in the world. There is no doubt that the parts you buy from China are coming from sellers in HQB. There is a separate section in HQB of about 4 buildings, around 6 levels each, with sellers of every phone part you can imagine. Have a look at the TH-cam videos made by Strange Parts. He made an iPhone and a new Samsung phone from parts bought at this market. Keep up the good fight!
Apple is screwed cause if you think about it. They know that they aren’t paying the employees good anyway, so I think foxcon and other company’s have Apple by the Balls......
I worked for Pegatron here in the US at their HP/ Asus repair site and they had the same types of security due to people stealing video cards. We had to have security with us to dump trash and couldnt wear any kinds of metal that would go off in detectors. I guess this type of security originated with apple in china, ya know since pegatron is a huge apple vendor over there.
Shout out to the real hero of this story, "one person familiar with the matter"
and their trusted colleagues, second and third person familiar with the matter.
What percentage of that story do you think might be true? Or, how many words could be removed without hurting it's accuracy?
Tunnels? Really? Factories in China still have dirt floors?
Who ever wrote this story must have seen that WWII prisoner of war movie where they dumped the excavated tunnel dirt into the flower beds.
The motive, or reward for taking this journalistic license? Forty bucks!
Which does not mean there is no truth to it.
However, if this were a political matter, it would be complete fiction.
I think it's the guy who made the tunnel behind the poster they didn't find yet.... Oops
I know Apple sucks, one person familiar with the matter said.
No, the real hero is Google for pronouncing the word "Audacious"
People like to insult China for being "cheap" but these factory employees risking their livelihoods are the sole reason many of us in the repair business can do what we do. We owe everything we have to those devoted strangers.
I'm sure some of the things in this article have been embellished but I can say with certainty all of the key points are true. I know a few people who work in these factories in China and they have shared some interesting stories with me. I'm not so sure about the tunnels thing, but people do in fact hide parts and attempt to smuggle them out, and Apple really does have a security division that investigates leaks. As described in the article, they do this by infiltrating leaker circles and tracing back to the source. They are so concerned about leaks that they'll pay for an entire group of people to infiltrate street markets in Shenzhen but they won't let us buy parts directly from them. Perfect example of paying a dime to save a penny.
To be fair the price tag coming from selling the past may be worth the risks
The black market, and demand wouldnt be as strong, if apple wasnt so anti repair.
yep if the shitty company of apple wasnt so anti repair we wouldnt be in this situation with the black market but theyll never let us repair our stuff
So, does Samsung sell you all the chips you need to fix your phone at the component level?
@@cardboardboxification yes
@@cardboardboxification or I think so, I remember Louie's showing there website to us about it
hill billy as an iPhone user this comment is even ironic to me you're trying to fan boy apple by trying to throw such a point which to you is so unrealistic as an apple fanboy that it's ironic that Samsung does actually let you buy nearly every part
Maybe if apple actually released schematics to repair shops and paid their employees fairly the "rampant" leak problem would ease up.
@Your Music Sucks! I guess that depend on your definition of "fairly" in the context.
@OneAboveAll Actually they would probably make more $$ by treating customers correctly and allowing "Right to Repair" to happen. Am I ever going to buy a new apple product? Nope. I have a cheap used iphone and ipad. Purchased used for pennies on the dollar. I refuse to purchase the newer products sense Apple treats repair centers like &hit....and their "Genius Bars" 100% suck and do not actually repair or attempt to recover data...but they will up-sell you to another machine costing well over a thousand dollars... With a big F-U!!! to that customer.
We have a local guy that is extremely well trained, he used to be an authorized 'center' years ago...And he's having the same exact problem as Louis. He's been stone walled on getting his 'authorization ' back sense he actually tries to repair the customers Apple Gear, and not upsell to pimp out Apple Products.
If Apple where to give 2 &hits about their end user? Then I would spend some $$ and get a new iphone or tablet, etc... But I know if that product would fail---I would be SOL in trying to recover data or get my device repaired by the dingbats at the "Genius Bars"... Thank God for people like Louis and Noal at our local repair center! Because what they might lack in "Factory"? They gain back with "Service"
@OneAboveAll and?
Exploit people is more lucrative than not, i think Apple's success is proof of that. Less exploitative oponents can't compete.
@Your Music Sucks! maybe in your country
I cant believe Louis Rossman has almost 1 mil subs with videos of just himself talking. No fancy effects or editing... just him. Bravo Louis!
Codi Lankford Holy shit, I just noticed how many subscribers he has. He deserves all of them, though, he really cares about what he does and cares about teaching others.
When CEO's, who make millions per year, decided to move their production to China, they were giving the IP to China, to think otherwise is naive/childish, they make those huge salaries under the premise they are wise enough not to make such stupid mistakes, and also, they were warned, but they incorrectly believed those warning them, just had their own interests in mind ( American middle class jobs).
$39.95 fucking hell
It was a decent article, although I would have appreciated more sources/citations for $40. This video will make $15-$20 so it was only $20 to read the article which was worth it to satisfy my curiosity. If no one wants to pay for decent journalism, people will stop doing it.
At least he can read whole(?) site for next 30days. It was nice article. Too bad there isn't buy this article only button amymore.
@@Tsiikki I agree, the article was nicely written and full of good information. It was an adacious work.
Now waiting for 'The Information' to file a DMCA claim because of Louis 'pirating' the article by showing it.
Louis Rossmann Yes crazy how they’re charging for news now but it was a OK article but not worth the $40
Commenting simply to honour your sacrifice in procuring that article for us Louis. Much love from the UK.
Gotta crack down on those leaks, but the suicide nets are OK with Apple inspectors.
This just goes to show where their focus is
Well, they're just [extremely offensive racial slur], so who cares?*
*This statement is intended as snark and does not represent the actual opinions of myself. I am not at liberty to say if this is the opinion of Apple executives, but I life this were the opinion of Apple executives, I would not be surprised. Reading the previous statements will void your Apple warranties.
@@alaeriia01 it's not about race it's about making money, someone ran some numbers and figured out this was the cheapest way to stop the most deaths.
@@King-fo3kj That too, although the callous disregard for human well-being makes me wonder whether there is some form of bigotry going on as well.
@@alaeriia01 No bigotry required, where exactly did you get this idea from that rich people give a single solitary fuck about the lives of any of us peasants of any race? Stop falling for that divide and conquer bullshit.
When I worked at Foxconn, someone tried to flush components down the toilet and they had an accomplice in the sewers trying to fish for them.
Nice
I heard most of the levels in Doom 2016, were based on Apple factory layouts... 😁
Source?
@@dudefingerboard It may take a while to get, we're trying to bribe the security to keep the mercenaries busy. 😂
kek
@@jfangx you made me spit my tea laughing while at work 🤣
Only the hell parts.
Just don’t make it painful to register. Please don’t make it painful to register.
$39... yeah that is pretty painful, lucky for him he has so many good people on his twitch to donate in compensation.
I can't imagine stuffing 30 or 40 of those screens in my bra: Louis Rossman - 2019
How can one person be so entertaining and so informative at the same time? Yay, Rossmann!
Well... we know apple is costly because of the brand name, not the performance it provides, mostly. But this is just unbelievable . BTW love the channel.
Did he just pay $40 for an article?
$20. The video will make $20. $15 if unlucky. $25 if lucky. So it will kinda pay for itself.
Oh okay. Forgive me please 🙏
@@rossmanngroup You're a blessing, sir. ❤
@@rossmanngroup you're a trooper m8 ty
Extortion by intellectual property capture.
Imagine you could take your Ford only to an authorized Ford service, you would not be able to buy after market parts or spare parts that are not coming from Fords supply chain. Imagine your local non-brand repair shop would not be able to read the diagnostic information from your car, because Ford won't sell them the proprietary reading device. Heck, Ford would even mandate the Ford branded oil or warranty void. etc, etc
This is what Apple is doing! Why do we have to fight this same fight all over again until law makers start effing doing their jobs!?
That's Tesla,,,,,
Would you buy such a Ford....🤨
@@MonzaRacer Yes, but Tesla is the opposite of apple in terms of screwing users.
It doesn't matter how much you pay them. Apple is not Chinese, therefore this is the "right thing" to do for the good of China as a whole. At least... this is how it's viewed BY the Chinese people and government in general. This is something I've been learning about over the past few years more and more, this whole cultural mentality that seems to be "China vs the world" from an outside perspective. (It bleeds over into online games in a nasty way, sometimes. Frustrating AF when you're instantly and automatically hated/viewed as the enemy just because you're not "one of them" just because of your origin, in-game behavior or skills/lack of not even counting.)
The reason why the PRC doesn't pursue or enforce ANY laws regarding copyrights in cases like this is all tied to a very strong cultural loyalty that they've been enforcing for generations. There are countless examples of how they automatically group together any time it's "China vs". Foreign tourist gets robbed, tries to stop the thief who then yells to the crowd that they made a racial slur (which they didn't even know, not speaking a word of Chinese), and they are beaten by a mass crowd instantly. Man catches a pickpocket IN THE ACT, his hand still in the man's pocket, thief screams out that he is being attacked (since his arm is being held), man gets beaten, hospitalized. And many more cases. Why? Because they are not Chinese. Therefore they are the enemy. It's been so deeply engrained in their minds through upbringing and repeated propaganda that nobody would even THINK of doing anything else in that situation, for fear of being viewed as an enemy as well, and made the next target of said mob if you don't act viciously enough as part of it.
Any sort of intellectual property theft from an outside source is considered honorable, because you are "bringing the power/money to China", basically. It's a huge "for the party" mentality that has been growing stronger and stronger over the past few years. I highly recommend checking out ADVChina for more info on that, as they've done some pretty awesome videos. (Also the first and longest-running TH-camrs from China, so good over-time perspective there, letting you compare their older stuff to current ones, drawing your own conclusions.)
@OneAboveAll Oh yeah! Good point! Another great channel to check out. :-)
Fascinating info here, man.
You're right, this is just business as usual in the PRC.
This couldn't be more accurate. I used to want to go there, but it's so bad now that you couldn't pay me up go to China. It's a hell hole now.
china is a dystopia there more succesful and maniluating and abusing there own people then the soviets could have dreamed
According to a few people familiar with the matter, some people are familiar with the matter that the matter is familiar to some people - A person familiar with the matter.
Seriously though, $40 for an article that doesn't have any sources other than "person familiar with the matter" seems like a bit much.
Don't delay, be familiar with the matter today!
Great video as always, Louis! Thank you!
When you gotta write 8 pages for a college paper
Holy crap, that pause at 23:06... And that aneurysm at 25:38! Oh my God this is pure gold!
~ 26min > Use windows 7 or later > More secure than Apple OS is what Apple is saying > LOL
That is likely because industrial machines that run macOS basically don't exist. Majority is Windows (old versions most of the time too) or Linux/Unix. In addition to that, the factories aren't just for Apple, rather they work for multiple corporations, so they can use whatever machines they want.
thunderbolt10031 Everyone’s talking about machinery - none of these machines will run a proper operating system.
What they’re talking about with Windows 7 and later is for running CAD software which is almost exclusively developed for and run on Windows operating systems.
CAD stands for computer assisted design and is where the bulk of the iPhone is designed and developed. From the physical assembly, to the circuit and pcb schematics. It’s all done in CAD and on Windows.
This is why engineers don’t usually use macs.
@@kand198 You know it's really not that hard to make a CAD program for Mac OS right? It's just CAD. It's not friggin' magic.
InfernosReaper InfernosReaper most high end cad packages don’t support Mac, or if they do, the Mac version is almost always inferior to the pc version (think of Microsoft word for Mac lmao).
Also cad is fucking hard to make. It’s probably one of the most difficult types of programs to make out there, which is why high end cad products will cost large engineering firms hundreds of thousands if not millions of dollars.
I garuantee that over the life of the company Apple will have spent upwards of $10M on CAD packages.
Foxconn also has other customers like: Nokia, HP, Dell etc..
That's really cool that you paid the sub fee to read the article to us. YOU ROCK!
Sounds like the USA and Canada need to start hammering on "Right To Repair" acts - open up parts and schematics after x amount of years, say 5 at most, or *ALL* sales get banned. No more mercy for these crooked megacorps. This is what happens when mega-businesses are let off the leash too damn much.
The problem is that megacorps have much more money to buy politicians to write laws for their merit than ordinary people.
Right to schematics after 5 years max? It should be day one of product launch. After 5 years the majority of devices would be long sitting in a landfill.
or these company's can have schematic's available at launch or no further sales can be legally made and any illegal sales come with a fine of 10 times more than the msrp of the product for each unit sold.
So apple uses Windows 7 or above instead of mac os? Heh thats kinda funny
About ad embarrassing as when Microsoft ran Hotmail on Unix servers for quite a few years. It fell apart when they migrated to Windows and they had to pause the project and revert. That was the moment MS finally realised Windows Server was a piece of crap and they got stuck into fixing it (to their credit, Windows 8 and above have been quite efficient on resources - if they could fix the crappy user experience, it'd possibly convince me to go back).
gotta get those huge profits xD
@@tin2001 Microsoft also started making gui-less server installs because their internal admins and devs wanted it so bad. It has been up and down with public availability, they don't really want to do it.
@@tin2001 windows 10 is the best OS they have made. You can make it crappy like windows 8 tiles. Or it is similar to windows 7 if yoi leave it alone. Its also fast. All gaming capability increased an extremely noticeable amount.
Ha, when Apple tells you to use their own iMac devices they mandate that the cameras are covered with a special sticker
Usually when a news site has a paywall just to view a single article, I just leave the site and go to another one. Same with the sites that use AntiAdblockers.
archive.is also bypasses
Antiadblock is the most retarded thing ever, we need antiadblockblock
@@theodiscusgaming3909 but then we'll end up with anti-anti-antiAdBlockers. When will it end?!
Disable JavaScript on those sites.
Yup, best practice.
Louis, I'm at a point where my career is taking off. I hit a ceiling and need to start my business. I have all the knowledge I need to do so. I admire you for having your own and I know you're gonna do great. Cheers! I wish you the best for all your effort and honesty. You do more for people than they deserve, since most people are trash
a lot of factories can't/refuse to keep up with the times. A cabinet factory I worked at was using Windows ME.
some places use the latest version of ......... MS-DOS
No need to fix something that works
@@ulle500 That's how companies get hacked, by using that mentality
@@UndercastEsmeganitrospeed Then it's obviously not working. Nothing wrong with using old stuff in a offline environment where the usage is rather simple
" '...make employees wear skin-tight suits', Ok, Harvey Weinstein" HAHAHAHA
Mr. Rossman, you are a gift to humanity.
Your views on alot of different topics are well thought out and quite convincing 👌🏻
Shared on youtube so free for us, thanks Louis!
I can't imagine that the staff that get caught stealing are simply shown the door... Perhaps the next phone housing color should be called "Blood red".
30:50 I like how you channeled Bob Ross's voice when you told Apple to ":suck it".
18:16 Fine ass girl walks past the shop.
I liked this video, according to one person familiar with the matter.
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Anonymous sources familiar with Rolands thinking say he greatly enjoyed the video
Someone should make a Louis out of context video. Just taking all the great one liners Louis says and make a mash up of it. It would be hilarious. You see a nerf gun fight and then out of nowhere a GTFO of my store we're closed.
To the viewer, if you don't watch anything else from this video, tune into 10:33 - 12:46. Our boy's got a piece of truth pie to hand out.
Thanks for the video Louis, very interesting stuff you have shared. I was raised in Cupertino and Apple ruined my town. We don't live there anymore.
Spending 39 for us? Louis you are our hero.
Pro-tip: next time, copy a sentence near the end of the free part, then do a web search with that sentence in quotes. In the meantime, I turned off my adblocker and let six minutes worth of ads run on this video.
16:05 - Apple wants to eat their cake and have it too. ¬_¬
and force othe rpeople to throw the poorly made cake up and by a new one
In the 80s in Poland it was common practice of TV / HiFi manufacturers to include schematic into device's package (mostly it was folded into operation manual). Good old days :)
Seriously, registering for a $40 month paper? Just to see what they said in the field?
You rock! (Many other reasons too. Thanks for the teaching!!)
Man, I fucking respect the shit out of you, keep being you, please never change.
The Foxconn workers have to buy an Apple bra... $999.
That was interesting! Thanks for bearing the brunt of the cost, so that we could learn with you.
Louis, if you ever quit the repair business you should get a job as an audiobook narrator.
As a tech nerd, I dont think any leaks are unintentional for the last 10 years. The amount of press it gets seems like more of a benefit.
Sirdan is the stuffed intestine/stomach looking stuff, and Kokoretsi was the large cylinder of roasted intestine on skewer.
Nice one Louis... 30:06 onwards was priceless 👍 👍
I am thankful when I do have a schematic and learn to be more patient when I don't as I have to reverse engineer without one.
“So suck it” needs to be the Rossman version of “stay classy San Diego “ or I guess in this case “stay classy Cupertino”
"i went to a NYC public school...don't judge me"...as a produce of the same system, that is the most truth you have ever said
Lol “as a produce” literally driving the point home
"Because that would be morally wrong" You fuggen cracked me up with that
Manufacturers used to publish and sell schematics of their consumer electronics. They also sold parts for their devices. Third party companies like Sams Photofacts legally published and sold schematics. (I just looked - Sams is still selling schematics for consumer electronics. Just not Apple's.).
"let me get the easy charge back card.." Fucking killed me XD XD
Thank you for sharing that entire article to 24k+ people for free. Lmao
I tried to have a broken heart for Apple, but then I bust out laughing. I couldn't sustain the act.
North Korea has a HUGE blackmarket for basic necessities such as groceries, clothing, and computing devices. The North Korean government is well aware of this underground market and they simply just institute a tax penalty to those caught.
Apple has a HUGE blackmarket for repair parts, they deprive their employees of basic human rights, expose developing fetuses to X-ray radiation levels equivalent to upper atmosphere levels DAILY, makes their female employees strip off their bras, confiscates their employees private devices in the off chance they took a photo, infiltrate employees private lives to spy on what they say and who to, arrests and imprisons their slave labor employees for potentially life because they didn’t destroy a recycled motherboard...
Only Apple could one-up the North Korean government on brutality and deplorable conditions... EVEN NORTH KOREA DOESNT NEED TO INSTALL SUICIDE NETS!!
Outsourcing? How's that working for you Apple? Ohhh, too bad. I feel so bad for you.
Apple has had problems of this kind since first outsourcing but refuses to change.
"You guys are worth it" Thank you Louis! So are you!
25:48 Window XP embedded was being used on manufacturing equipment and in some cases able to be accessed from outside the network creating security issues thus requiring windows 7 or later.
Pay your people well, and they will treat you well!! You won't have to worry about "tunnels"...
That is one thing these greedy companies don't seem to get, if they actually paid and treated their employees well, their employees would return the favor in the form if doing their job well and doing other kinds of good for their employer.
Can you explain all the people that have done leaks or tried to give stuff to China, etc where the people we're well off? You think the people leaking stuff in the Trump administration are poor? Some people can't help themselves. You know the 1 or 2 people that like to gossip at work? Those would be the type of leakers. Some people can't help themselves. The people making Apple products at Foxconn are actually paid pretty good for China wages. You can't compare what they pay people in China to the U.S. Which is why products are made in China. China does have a big growing middle class that they used to not have before the tech industry went there.
Thanks Louis! I always learn something!
I have a way to get around that "keep charging 'em" bit. Use a separate card on a bank account to charge it, when you start getting sat on, cancel the card and close the bank account.
As someone who does repair on audio equipment, the number of companies that won't disclose their schematics is bafflingly huge and it's incredibly annoying.
@4:16 “let me get a card that has easy chargebacks” hahaha I swear this is the story of my life, Bank of America is like a guarding dog. It’s just the third person’s money they’re guarding, not yours(the account holder). 🤣
The increased cost for all these security measures SURELY is more profitable than selling parts and giving them access to proprietary tools and schematics directly to repair shops... Or doing real repairs by themselves...
Just install browser agent switcher extension/addon and set it to Google Bot when viewing paywalled sites. Most of them allow Google Bot to access full content for SEO and search engine visibility.
"More than secure than what?" They were probably running Windows XP. :D
Huh. I used to work for Jabil circuits, debugging assembly-line internet switching boards for a contract subbed from Lucent, in 1989-90 in MA. At the time, they were shifting into other markets to build on their automotive component business.
When you said $40 I nearly died. It was a decent article though.
Well $20, since he will make ~$15-20 from this video.
@@Hopeofmen that's still a lot for 1 article
@@deadgenesis5188 You get access to all of their articles, it's not just one.
I thought of Shawshank literally exactly when you said it lmfao
27:55 that’s a burn without even realizing it LoL
In today's video: Louis pays 40$ to yell at a screen that he can't read
Louis, it reminds me of the Gibson video, play authentic by Mark Agnesi, same sort of story...
Ha! I did a word search for Gibson and here you are. You are so correct. Gibson really did it this time. Good point.
Smuggling out one part before release can pay more than a year of salary?
If it was me, I'd try for sure.
In the industry I am in, there are no published schematics available, only block diagrams. Part of my job was learning Eagle CAD and reverse engineering each board and writing repair and trouble shooting guides. It is a time consuming and expensive process, but when finished enables the repair. This is industrial electronics, not consumer electronics. Most equipment is worth more than my house several times over, so it is worth repairing. It is hard to get a return on investment for something consumer oriented such as a Macbook motherboard. Needless to say, I don't have the volume as Louis. It is interesting work as it is in robotics and motion control.
pay scales aside, the metal bra issue was also there in the Austin, TX plant for mac pros
FYI you can look at the page source to read the article.
Imagine the margins a manufacturer needs to have in order to finance this kind of insane security measures. I am in the business of assembling PCBs in the automotive industry and the market is super competitive. We need to fund audits, but that scale sounds completely impossible compared to our profits in the industry.
Louis is the real MVP
Love it man! keep fighting the good fight!
@Louis Rossmann Employees at Foxconn (and Chinese factories in general) actually make a decent salary. It's just that housing is so crazy expensive near there due to how overcrowded it is, and that's why you see entire families living in tiny studio apartments.
When I bought my first computer in the late 1980's (when I was finally able to afford one) it came with detailed documentation - including a booklet just for troubleshooting, and schematics, just so that it could be repaired! None of the components had its markings sanded off, nor was any of the hardware obfuscated or in any way made hard to repair. Software was proprietary but that's another thing. Back then if your TV broke you took it to get repaired, just like your fridge, dishwasher, washing machine or VHS player. If you knew someone with the knowledge you could go to that person and give them a case of beer as thanks for fixing your stuff. Everyone was happy and you only threw away electronics that were beyond economic repair (which was almost never) or simply had reached its end of life. Only 10 years later this almost didn't exist any longer. Some due to advances in electronics like cheap ASIC's and complex surface mount technology that joe public hadn't figured out how to fix themselves (BGA etc) but the real problem was that schematics were getting harder to come by. In many fields they were still obligated to provide schematics, but they made them damn hard to find, often impossible if you didn't have the right connections and in only a few years the electronics section of the dumps (waste) outgrew the ones for white goods! (many of us made some real finds here before they clamped down on "stealing" garbage...)
At some stage they outright stopped supplying schematics realising there was more money in making electronics that couldn't be repaired and everyone followed suit... :(
I'm a firm believer of the right to repair. Heck, I even learned electronics just because I refused to throw away perfectly fine products that just had a dodgy power supply, or just a dry solder joint?!
This is 2019 and almost everyone are talking about the environment and how we're killing the planet. Why aren't we changing the law to enforce not just the "right to repair" but the "required to be repaired"? This way we could force not just the electronics industry but also larger parts of the whole manufacturing industry to ensure that their products must be repairable - under the flag of environment so that they can't argue against it in general. Sadly this is just a wet dream because those who rule are being paid by those who manufacture, but if nobody at least try we'll never know?
I'm never going to touch an Apple product in my life because what they are. I come from the UNIX world and I expect my hardware to run forever. I might not use Sun computers at home any longer but all of my Intel based computers can be repaired, including my laptops. There are no "security screws" keeping them from being opened, nor are any batteries glued in place. HP, Dell, Fujitsu - it doesn't matter. They can all be repaired and they have all excellent service departments that you can ask. I even got the schematics for my Fujitsu Lifebook when it broke down after 7 years so I could repair the motherboard myself!
I'm surprised that so many people are using Apple products but they've managed to form some sort of religion and people will sadly pay for whatever they release - even though it's garbage, in a fancy package.
You're doing a fantastic job Louis repairing people's broken phones and computers! (and even teaching them to do it themselves!) They should know better than buying this crap, but even crap deserves to be repaired. At least under the flag of the environment... I'm totally against all types of theft but leaking the schematics so people can repair their electronics isn't comparable to stealing components! I highly doubt people get paid for the schematics anyway, not in the same sense as selling stolen phones or components. If Apple did repair their own products this wouldn't be such a big issue, but they don't even do that - just plainly lie in order to sell people replacement products at full price... That's criminal!
When the likes of John Deere starts to use the same business model as Apple claiming you're not allowed to repair your own damn tractors - it's about f-ing time to pull the hand break before screwdrivers and soldering irons are outlawed!?! We're not far away from it. Sorry for long rant but it's an important one imho.
Ironic Apple article covering leaks of confidential security procedures to address leaks of schematics.
" WE MAKE YOUR S@#$ FOR PENNIES I dare you to fine us and make you own phone" LOLZ
Stephen Jay Gould went to a NYC public school too. (Do a quick search if you are not familiar with his work.)
Louis, I'm amazed that your haven't heard of Huaqiangbei (Hua Qiang Bei - pronounced 'Hwa Chun Bay') - it is 40 mins down the road from my factory in Shenzhen and is the largest electronics market in the world. There is no doubt that the parts you buy from China are coming from sellers in HQB. There is a separate section in HQB of about 4 buildings, around 6 levels each, with sellers of every phone part you can imagine. Have a look at the TH-cam videos made by Strange Parts. He made an iPhone and a new Samsung phone from parts bought at this market. Keep up the good fight!
One minute in, and you're already giving massive burns. Ouch.
So Apple has a private police force like Monsanto.
Yeah... It's more than my old heart can take, hearing of Apple and just how *hard* it is for them to keep everything under wraps. Right...
Win 7 is more secure than XP...
More secure than their own OS!
Apple is screwed cause if you think about it. They know that they aren’t paying the employees good anyway, so I think foxcon and other company’s have Apple by the Balls......
By a prepaid card and load it with only the monies you need.
The ending of the video is satisfying :)
Get the Privacy extension Lewis it helps for those things
I hope the investment in the article was worth it! Thanks for the read!
When he said "we're worth it", did anyone think in their head of the Wayne's World catchphrase "we're not worthy!"?
One of your funniest vids in a long time
Hey man, I am concerned that you are not allowed to share this article in a video. Just saying. Love your content ❤️
Why not, its fair use policy, he reads it, comments on it with the audience and continues ^^
Louis Rossmann spent 40 dollars, so we wouldn't have to, just to bring us the first ever installment of: "Fuck Apple Storytime".
THAT is dedication.
I worked for Pegatron here in the US at their HP/ Asus repair site and they had the same types of security due to people stealing video cards. We had to have security with us to dump trash and couldnt wear any kinds of metal that would go off in detectors. I guess this type of security originated with apple in china, ya know since pegatron is a huge apple vendor over there.