Which Inks are Safe for Celluloid Pens? Brian Goes on a Deep Dive!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 3 มิ.ย. 2024
- Sit back and relax as Brian goes on one of his signature deep dives down the rabbit hole of celluloid - an often-mysterious fountain pen material that can have a complicated relationship with certain types of ink. Originally from Goulet Pencast Episode 37: • Dangerous & Frozen Ink...
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TIMESTAMPS:
00:00 The Question
00:38 Context
02:33 Brian's quick answer
03:00 Brian's long answer
04:54 Visconti celluloids
07:15 Cellulose habits
10:00 PH, dye factors, ink brands
14:30 Brian's conclusions
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I am soooo tempted to send Brian a "Hang on while I overthink this" t-shirt.
I'd buy one for myself if you decide to sell them.
Celluloid is EXPLOSIVE ! They used to use this in the ‘20s , ‘30s . It will burn Really Good !
Saturation usually has to do with color intensity. The more intense the color, the more likely it is to stain. Paler, softer colors are less likely.
There is TH-cam channel called
@An Ink Guy. He does all kind of test and basically lets you know the effects on ink/paper/cleaning/ thousands of ink reviewed. highly suggest it when looking at in-depth review for a specific ink.
He has got a fantastic channel. Sadly his computer died on him and he has to save for a new one.
I rarely buy an ink without consulting his channel. Certainly if it is not local to me and costs a lot to ship.
Noodler's Baystate Blue stained my sink when I was cleaning one of the fountain pens and the stains never went away. To be clear that ink is my prefered one, and I'm fond of it. But I learned the hard way the meaning of different materials that Noodler's use to make it as they say not to mix it with other inks
I like how Drew had to go through pen case after pen case to find the pen.
Yeah I forgot which one had my Viscontis in it! - Drew
@@Gouletpens If only I had a case for every brand. One can only dream.....
My personal rule of thumb is to use ink from the same company, when in doubt, Pelikan 4001 is always my first choice. Thanks for the video. Best regards.
honest answer thanks
I want to see the glow stick experiment! That’s a crazy result!
I believe it was the Will it Write: Halloween Edition video. Check the Goulet channel playlists.
From my own experience, Parker Quink does not play nice in the converter sac of Pilot Metropolitan pens. It rots the rubber in a matter of a few days. Replacing the converter was an easy and cheap fix, but I've ditched Quink from my ink collection as I didn't want to take the risk with any of my more expensive pens.
Maybe there is a fault in your converter. I have had my pilot met, since last mother's Day, I use Parker's quick, and have had nil issues with it.
Quink is a poor ink in general. I used Quink Blue to write my university notes, and after five years most of them were unreadable. The ink just faded so badly. Different notebooks from different manufacturers all faded to a significant degree, so it wasn't just a specific weird paper reacting with the pigments in the ink.
I use Quink permanent blue-black and I haven’t had a fading problem. I have had fading issues with the ordinary blue and blue-black that weren’t permanent.
Unless you are bottle fill the barrel, there should not be any problem. Yes, ink will stain the celluloid. If the section of your pen is made of celluloid, it will stain if you dip the section to fill a converter through the nib. Fill the converter first then attach it to the feed.
Vintage celluloid pens have to be filled through the nib and pass through the section so you can’t fill the sac first. So do you recommend using pelikan 4001 ink on celluloid pens.
Any of the vintage pens had dark or black sections to alleviate the stain of ink. Some of the pens that had the same celluloid used for the section as on the rest of the pen will have staining from filling.
I do not know if Pelikan 4001 ink will or will not stain celluloid. I would wipe the section as quickly as possible to minimize staining. If the hole to fill the pen is located lower on the feed, away from the section, do not go past the fill hole, just enough to cover the hole.
@@bonnieshapiro3511 I've had some luck with the Waterman inks not staining the vintage celluloid pens. Granted, I tend to use Serenity Blue, Inspired Blue, and Intense Black mainly.
I would avoid going near red or purple inks because it can prematurely age the rubber sacs, regardless of brand. That was some advice from my grandfather when he first introduced me to them.
*Bay State has entered the chat*
I have three real limited edition celluloid pens. Two ASC’s and an Omas. I will only use Pilot and Waterman inks. I wipe off the section immediately after filling them. I have had no problems with my pens.
My Franklin christoph ice pen is stained from iroshizuku asa-ga ink. Bummed
Hey Brian. I have an Omas Paragon piston filler fountain pen that after using Montblanc blue, and Dupont blue ink (because the Omas ink wasn’t available), the nib block threads were melted. My other 3 Omas Paragons (same year, model, different colors), were inked with only Omas ink (that the Omas rep recommended for the pen), with no problem. There was one other ink that he recommended, but I can’t recall the brand/type. You can always ask the manufacturer what to use to be safe, or someone who has the same pen to get their experiences.
I'm definitely not the demographic for this hahahah Sure, I don't have enough money yet to feel comfortable buying a pen for over $30. But even if I had, I don't have the patience to clean my pens as often as I should. I don't want to care if the material needs special care. Also, I love to experiment so I like to have great pens for a lower price like Preppy and be able to do what I want with them. Right now I'm using Ecoline in one of my Preppy pens and Aqualine (a much cheaper Brazilian dupe of Ecoline) in another. They are dye-based and not permanent so I'm not worried. They might have a type of alcohol or not. They don't disclose their ingredients but it has been a couple of months and my pens are fine. I even tried diluted acrylic ink before in my $1 Daiso pen. That I don't recommend. I was able to save the pen but even liquid acrylic is acrylic, it will always dry like a sort of plastic.
De Atramentis Document Ink Turquoise stained the entirety of the inside of the Opus 88 Halo clear barrel. I even used the Goulet pen cleaning solution and it didn’t fully come off. I don’t mind though, it’s not a very expensive pen.
As discussed on the question of Noodler’s Bay State Blue - which I LOVE ❤️ - I won’t use it in an expensive celluloid pen. But all others I’ll use. AND keep your celluloid pen in a Goulet Pen RickShaw sleeve, especially the yellow, “NO YOU CANNOT USE MY PEN” one. Unpaid advertisement! 😉
You can not just drop a bomb like “we put glow stick fluid in a pen and it will destroy your pen” and not give more back story, and maybe another video. Because now I am overly tempted to do something that is clearly a bad idea.
Look in the channel playlists for Will it Write. Should be the Halloween Edition video. And now I need to rewatch it lol
In the heyday of the 'real' Parker 51 in the forties and fifties--not the cheap imitation today--Parker sold '51' ink separate from their regular Quink line, and it stated on the boxes and bottles that it was ONLY for use in the '51'. Had something to do with that innovative feed and hooded nib, with a changed drying time.
The formula for that one was alkaline based and had alcohol in it, hence why not to use it in any other pen. The pen labeled for its use was able to handle it.
It takes 19 minutes to say ink is safe for celluoid
Always wanted to ask (speaking of stains), pens with a white section (like Pelikan M600) can be inked with the nib submerged? Or instead it must be inked directly into the converter to prevent staining? White is a very traitor color
Does ALL green ink have blue pigments in it? That sounds very unlikely. Why wouldn't ink makers use green pigments?
I believe it has to. Blue and yellow make green. There’s no other way to make it.
@@Instaraxx Of course there is. Chemical elements don't come only in 'primary colors'. Gold added to glass makes red (cranberry) glass. Copper Carbonate (Malachite) is a green mineral. In fact, actually finding pigments that ARE primary colors is hard. Go to a paint store and look at what they use to mix colors. Not 3 primary colors and black; more like 20 pigments.
@@Instaraxx You are thinking of how it works with light, it's a bit different with pigments. There are single pigments for all sorts of colours.