I tried doing full body with supersets to failure every other day. 1st day had to go puke between sets. After that got used to it but basically after gym I didn’t have energy for anything unless I ate like 1500kcal sulprus (pretty hard without energy to cook).
@@SzambiarzXDand that’s exactly the reason why mike advocates resting 72 hours ( 3days) in between workout and at a minimum 48 hours( 2 days). And mind you this is with a workout program that consist of around 5 sets total per session and split program not a full body one...so rest rest and rest your body needs it.
Rest has to be proportioned to the stress applied to the muscle. If we want high intensity we need to rest a lot, jones wasn’t following his same principles
@@dhiraaribnal-azwar7840 if you feel pain on your legs after 4 days, what the heck are you training every two? You need to compensate in order to over compensate
@@lauraashley1you work, cut the grass, shovel snow, take out the trash and spend time with your spouse if you have one. How much extra time do you have? Learn to play the drums for cardio, two birds with one stone.. Just my 2.5 cents
@@matthewmartinez5907I do the same thing. It's not hard to structure, but it's important to decide what body parts you want to prioritize, as by the end you might be pretty worn
I do the same. I workout once a week on Saturdays. So far I'm still improving! I am doing a different full body program alternating so first Saturday it's full body workout A to failure and then the next Saturday is full body workout B to failure, then back to A, etc. It's great because I can keep it up 52 weeks a year and never get off the program. Slow and steady wins the race.
I’m all for full-body workouts. So many benefits, but only if you are going for yourself. If you are a professional i.e body builder or a strong person. Splits are the way as you do need more recovery, you also have time to go 5-6 times a week. You only need to do 8-10 exercises with heavy weights or body weight. Hit each body part in one day for 2 or 3 days a week and you can keep it consistent. For example I do quads 1 exercise hamstrings 1 exercise calves 1 exercise chest 2 exercises back 2 exercises shoulders 2 exercises abs 1 exercise You can superset some exercises to save time if you wanted to fit in biceps and triceps. I don’t mainly because I train heavy so my biceps and triceps get enough work from heavy back and chest exercises. Focus on enjoying the process and eating to fuel your workouts and get 6-8 hours sleep every night. Keep it simple and you will see results everything is too complicated mainly due to people wanting more money from you. I hope this helps someone and keep up the hard work, it does pay off. Also if you feel sore or tired just take another rest day and eat/drink loads, your body will be fine!
Let me explain to hopefully help out. I do squats to hit my quads which is 1 exercise and for shoulders I do lateral raises and shoulder press which is 2 exercises hitting the middle and front delt. The rear delt is getting hit mainly by my back exercises. You can also do a Y-Raise with a band or cable to hit your 3 shoulder heads. Hope this makes sense now. @@buddyogun2247
JT watched a vid of J meadows today and that's wt he said : ur way to train should be based on ur capacity to recover. Can't remember if it was for naties I guess..
Alot of people would hear this information and attempt to apply it, without any or negative results. What most dont understand is the biggest variable here is the intensity that Mike applied, many average gym goers cant comprehend what this man means when "a single set to failure of 8 reps" some of you dont have the mental fortitude to do that, thats why a P,P,L or bro split works.
Unless your a competitive bodybuilder frying your cns is ridiculous especially if it effects you at home also if your fully employed in a manual job no way is your body recovering, its all very well if you dont work or retired, as lee haney always quoted stimulate dont annihilate, you can still train hard without killing yourselves
Mike's personal split routine had him doing an average of 18 sets to failure per workout day. That's about 36 sets over two workouts done over 3-4 days and 60-80 a week. Jones and Darden stuck with total body but ended up using two different total body workouts 2-3 times per week with 8-12 exercises each for 1-2 sets. For example, they would do pulldowns in one workout and rows in the other, biceps in one and forearms in the other, shoulder presses in one and lateral raises in the other. That is basically what the consolidation routine is as well.
Im getting stronger and looking better by doing mikes split , I’m resting 1 or even 2 consecutive days and I’m feeling/looking much better. I used to train 2 to even 4 or 5 consecutive days and was always exhausted.
Anyone actually employing the degree of intensity advocated by Jones for MAXIMUM muscle recovery and overcompensation would be physically incapable of performing that workout three days per week. The cumulative stress on the nervous system would lead to unbelievable systemic fatigue in a matter of MAYBE 2-3 weeks for even an elite-level trainer. Muscle recovery and overcompensation (growth) isn’t really THAT taxing on a relatively fit person. It is the systemic fatigue of the autonomous nervous system that requires so much attention. Jones was a bona fide genius, but Mike was the chief exponent and practitioner of Jone’s ideas. Mike simply used superior logic and an actual understanding of human physiology (along with a respectable amount of Deca and amphetamine) to expand Jone’s ideas to a greater extent.
I do one high intensity set of 15 reps per exercise in a minimalist full body workout three days a week. I used to do endurance training with three sets knowing I wouldn't gain much muscle but my performance would be peak. When I switched to one high intensity set I gained more muscle but subsequently lost some peak performance.
Did it for 2 months and got so many gains my shoulders went from pressing 50s to now 60s but I’ve encountered so many people that say 1 to 3 sets is not enough so now I just do 1 month training different body parts each day for 6 days hitting every muscle 20 set per week and 1 month training hiit going twice a week upper and lower , just to keep my muscles in a constant state of shock
@@iridescent880 it's recommended to not train consecutive days to allow your CNS and muscles to recover. At the moment i have a different split which is push/pull but the same principles apply of course. Using any HIT type training, for me personally i have found 2 times a week generally to be a good baseline (not necessarily optimal!), but im 42 years old. If you're in the 20s, you can train more no doubt and still get that recovery in
@@iridescent880 sure, its also very personal how hard you train, your training level, recovery ability. Many factors that require tailoring to your specific situation. If you can train hard every single time 3 times a week for 5 or so weeks straight. It sounds like it fits you. In this case im taking into account 1 deload week per 5 weeks of hard training.
I've been doing HIT training almost a year now with great results. There is no way I can produce that kind of high intensity, that I could do a whole body workout and still be living afterwards. Especially now that I'm getting into much heavier weights now, it much more taxing on my body.
When I played football , my coach ran a 3 day- a - week full body routines during summer training , it works but if you dont have the nutrition or supplements to back it up , you were definitely going to feel the consequences … but , if done correctly ??!! Like the kool aid man once said “ O Yeeeaaahhh “ 💪😂
Key here would be splitting the volume up within 6 or 7 days. Basically it almost seems a trivial amount of exercise comparatively. You have to judge your sessions on a weekly basis rather than daily, because the full depth of fatigue is only realized once every 6 or 7 days.
I was there, he's right. Jones advocated strongly to do full body workouts until you are ready to vomit. I found that to be to much mental overload and unable to recovery.
I couldn’t imagine doing a full body HIT workout. I do Mikes OG split from heavy duty 1 which is full body split into 2 days and it really pushes you to the brink in every aspect.
@@RamonMsancheztwice a week that extra rest day really does bring you back feeling extra motivated and energetic even the next day as your enjoy and benifiting mentally i do active rest day inbetween cardio plyo work
After a full work day, getting my workouts in which are always splits, Im already pretty well spent and still have a family to meet the needs of. I couldnt imagine hitting a full body workout after work. I would be completely depleted and good for nothing the rest of the evening.
I do full body workouts 3 days a week and getting in better shape older I get Turning 50 this year and I have no problem at all smashing all the muscles 3 days a week and I do this with a physical job on top but I've conditioned my body over 30 years of this. Mind you I obviously don't train to Metzers intensity
I had stopped working out for yrs then I got back to it. I've been working out for a year now. I only lift twice maybe max three times a week. I do 1 to 2 sets as many as possible till failure. And I've gain alot of muscle. My problem was I wasn't taking enough protein cause I was trying to do the true natural diet. Nut eversince I continued with my work out routine and implemented more protein into my diet I'm starting to see more mass. My point is working out hard and resting more works just make sure you consume enough protein or all that hard work won't give you much gains only strength
@NrecapsAnimeSeries honestly since I had yrs without lifting I started from the bottom. I currently do just dumbbells 40lb. For each exercise I do one to two sets for biceps curls I rep 24-25 to failure. Hammer curls 20 reps to failure, bench 50 to failure, back 40 to failure, shoulders 24 to failure you get my point. I try to do as many reps as possible until I feel that I can't and I keep going. It's been working out great for me.
@@gustavoalonsolopezwolf9098 I am doing the same, I am following mike menters rest protocol with just a little bit of twist. I do upper and lower body split. 2 times a week and cutting right now. It feels like I am still growing big. I do cardio 10 minute on rest days. I do go to absolute failure even cross that.
@NrecapsAnimeSeries yeah lifting till failure and resting 2 days a week or even 3 has done wonders for me. Before I used to work out 6 days a week but I would always feel tired. I do need to work more on my legs though I Mainly focus on upper body but legs are important too
Arthur Jones : Obi wan Mike Menzter : Anakin Menzter didn’t listen well; he was training 3x a week - over training. Should’ve backed down to one to two times. There’s one cns despite several muscles.
Be clear, Arthur Jones and Mike Mentzer had the same level of intensity (Jones taught Mentzer HIT). Jones’s full body routine consisted of 14 exercises with 2 exercises per body part . Even at 1 set per exercise it is a 2 hour routine. Mike chose to essentially Push Pull Legs the routine. However, we/us can also do Full Body with 1 exercise per body part (7 exercises per workout) and be done in an hour, 3 times a week. You do not have to abandon full body completely. Pick your poison.
Some body parts take longer to recover than other body parts. I broken my body into ten body parts resting 2-3 days depending on the body part. This adds up to doing 3-4 body parts per day training every day. After 12, the cycle repeats Even though you are training every day, you are not overtraining because each body part has 2-3 days of rest
I do full body and I at one point felt fatigued so all I did was back off a little bit and I feel better. I prefer a full body routine 3 days a week anyways. Also I noticed that after I backed off the throttle a little bit and also after taking a week off that I’m bigger and stronger now
Mine too! It depends on the individual. For me, my workouts are shorter and more intense and I usually take one week off once a month where I will just focus on active recovery just take the week off completely. That has helped me big time.
Wrong, mike is not the Only one who advocates Hit training, Dorian Yates 7 time Mr O is also advocating Hit training infact until this day dorian still speaking things up in all of the podcast hes in to.
I did a full body hit workout yesterday, though it was just 1 set to concentric failure, i was so tired that i slept until evening. I have insane amount of soreness all over my body even now. I had to skip my MMA session today as i can't bend my back because i took deadlift to failure. I dont know why my glutes, neck and some areas of my forearms are also sore.
i do full body workout but i train only the basic exercises 5 exercises i grow and get bigger sometimes its okey and i train only 40 minutes 3times a week if you train full body and do 15 exercies for sure its wrong :D haha
Each muscle group ONE time a week(9-12 sets TO FAILURE) has provided me (age 55) more growth than I ever experienced in my younger days(2 muscle groups per workout 2 times per week) !Steroids are the difference.Natural training will not produce the same growth. That's just the truth.
I employ a full-body routine. Typically consists of 12-16 total sets. I work out 5 days a week, which allows me to go a little heavier on different muscle groups depending on the day. Some days I’ll do more sets of lower body exercises, chest/shoulders, arms, back. But everything will get at least 3 sets, every workout. I don’t often tell people this because it is so different, & it can be an annoying debate to have, but I do this to save time. It’s only 45 min, 5 days a week.
Exactly just train the way you want and benefit from , I personally prefer listening to the likes of Lee labrada., Lee haney etc lol showing my age now😂, but everyone's different I now train 3 days a week chest and triceps-mon, back and biceps, Wednesday, and shoulders and legs Friday, I train to failure but only when form breaks down not beyond failure, my cns thanks me for it also age and recovery come into factor as I'm 65 and still in full time work so recovery is key
As you get stronger, you may find that the demands of the total body workout is just too much. I found that that happened after about five months of following Jone's program. My training partner and I were using Nautilus equipment, and we saw our strength almost double by that time. We were using the entire stack on quite a few machines (we even had to pin a 45 lb plate to the stack of certain pieces of equipment). By the time we got to the eighth or ninth exercise, working towards completing twelve, our hands and legs were trembling. We then decided to shift to a two-way split, still working three days a week. We continued to progress and felt a lot better (albeit, we were still sore most of the time). Unfortunately, we started to add more and more volume, with more exercises, and lost sight of the fact that, as we were getting stronger, we needed to allow for more recovery. This mistake is what ended up derailing our efforts... after which we just abandoned the weights.
Arthur Jones doesn’t appear to have any actual experience with any form of workout routine. The basic concept of his idea vs split days seems ludicrous to me but if it was the norm, Metzler was a genius on top of being an elite athlete.
So here's my question if I am supposed to do bicep workout should I just do one exercise which has one set or should I do more exercises of the bicep workout with single sets on the same day?
Everyone has a different body type and in my case I do what works for my body. I have tried many different types of workouts and sets and now I just concentrate on form and tension and changing the types of exercises every other week so my muscles feel a difference on the workouts. I’m not a body builder just staying lean and alive. Best of luck to all of you out there trying to figure things out. Just keep going and don’t get frustrated, just do what works for you 💪
This makes absolutely no sense tbh. How can you limit fatigue by training even harder when you couldn't even take a full body 3x a week? These roided guys say whatever shit they want and people listen.
Does Mike talk about push pull legs somewhere? Because as far as I've seen he does chest and back arms and shoulders and legs, is there some kind of benefit or is it an individual preference
When he was coaching Dorian Yates, he prescribed him a PPL routine (you can find this routine in the book The Wisdom of Mike Mentzer written by John Little). However, in his last book, Mike's ideal routine is Chest-Back, Legs, Shoulders-Arms, and Legs again. I've tried both routines and concluded that PPL is better for me since the recovery is easier. When I train Chest and Back in the first workout, I have to insert a Leg session in between Chest-Back and Shoulders-Arms workouts because training chest fatigues triceps-front delts and training back fatigues biceps-rear delts.
@@nemanjamarkovic2444 you can disagree all you want but it doesn't make it any less true. People can focus on not making one side bigger than another or even equalizing certain size differences. The problem is that most of the symmetry comes from the shape of the muscle itself which is entirely a genetic trait.
not really. steroids help mostly with recovery time, so if what you are saying is true, then people on gear would be the ones most affected after a week of not training. However, that is not case So, you, as a natural, would greatly benefit in strength and size gains when waiting 4-7 days between workouts, so that you ensure that your body has recovered properly.
@@brunojuarez1883this is nonsense. Steroids will put muscle on you no matter what. There are a couple of exceptions but someone that is on as much stuff as Mentzer will get away with anything. For naturals frequency and volume are very important. You will not make long term progress on this nonsense program (if you're very weak and frail you can gain muscle as a beginner but as soon as you reach the intermediate stage or even earlier you will stop growing completely and might even regress).
This goes against everything Mentzer talked about Why would he say train a body part hard then rest it for an extended period of time But then go and train each body part 3 x a week on a full body I feel full body would work fine but you still need to train hard and rest longer Full body in this case would probably be better doing only 2 x a week
Jones sounds like a person who has never done manual labor…. Bro, if half your body is toast you’re really gonna want that other half to take up the slack. Even as a person who does full body workouts primarily, I know that is silliness to suggest that recovery is the reason for it. It’s because you can stimulate growth without destroying any one group. And you don’t need to. If health is your goal, just get the blood flowing and move on to more important things in life 👍👍
I do boxing with gym. I workout 6 day straight. In my gym workout i do full body workout. 3 days for gym , 3 days for boxing training. I am also losing weight. Someone give me advise is it good for me?
Depends how you feel sometimes ya don’t wanna over Do it especially making weight you lose too much strength so depends on timing phase of training your on , and age .
I train high intensity heavy and light I do my style been training since 1976 I am now international classic pro natty champion Still Competing 58 years old
Mike’s program actually is ideal for a natural lifter. a natural lifter needs far more recovery time than someone taking gear. Mike addresses this fact.
@joehadenough1642 Sir, a natural lifter needs more overload for adaptation than Mike suggests. Long cardio sessions, two-a-days, plyometrics, its a lot of work. Even on rest days 30min of cardio min. I know from experience. You gotta work if you wanna be a cover girl 💃💪🫢
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A full body workout with Mike's level intensity will leave demolished after a single workout
I tried doing full body with supersets to failure every other day. 1st day had to go puke between sets. After that got used to it but basically after gym I didn’t have energy for anything unless I ate like 1500kcal sulprus (pretty hard without energy to cook).
@@SzambiarzXDand that’s exactly the reason why mike advocates resting 72 hours ( 3days) in between workout and at a minimum 48 hours( 2 days). And mind you this is with a workout program that consist of around 5 sets total per session and split program not a full body one...so rest rest and rest your body needs it.
@@Anonymous-dh4fl ATM I’m doing back+arms,rest,legs+shoulders,rest,chest+arms,rest and making much more progress
I would definitely divide the sessions upper/lower.
Meth
Rest has to be proportioned to the stress applied to the muscle. If we want high intensity we need to rest a lot, jones wasn’t following his same principles
Wdym Jones wasn't following his same principals
@@dhiraaribnal-azwar7840 if you feel pain on your legs after 4 days, what the heck are you training every two? You need to compensate in order to over compensate
@@_antonhit Yep .
If you are doing only one set you can train the next day.
@@zemm9003 do one set of a marathon of 100km and tell me you’re ready the next day
take the week out of the equation. Train full body every 4 or 5 days. Why does everything have to be squeezed into a 7 day period?
And then what the other days?Train full body once and not train at all until 4/5 days later for 1x full body again?
Yes. You can do some light cardio or walking in between@@lauraashley1
@@lauraashley1one day per week
@@lauraashley1yes 😊
@@lauraashley1you work, cut the grass, shovel snow, take out the trash and spend time with your spouse if you have one. How much extra time do you have? Learn to play the drums for cardio, two birds with one stone.. Just my 2.5 cents
Makes logical sense.
Does it though? 🤔
You don’t train as hard as he does. Full body 3-4 x a week is fine
@@Alecks_Martynwell you don’t maybe😂😂
@@gotomychanneltoseemyname harder
I’ve been doing Full body HIT once a week and I’m getting stronger , I’m natural so I feel I need more recovery
you do!
Whats your workout day look like? Just once a week?
@@matthewmartinez5907I do the same thing. It's not hard to structure, but it's important to decide what body parts you want to prioritize, as by the end you might be pretty worn
It's a good start but after a while you'll need more
I do the same. I workout once a week on Saturdays. So far I'm still improving! I am doing a different full body program alternating so first Saturday it's full body workout A to failure and then the next Saturday is full body workout B to failure, then back to A, etc. It's great because I can keep it up 52 weeks a year and never get off the program. Slow and steady wins the race.
Strange he never considered doing full body workouts twice a week instead of 3 times, dropping the Wednesday workout.
Mentzer's consolidation routine is in some respects a full body workout about twice a week (he recommends about twice every 8-14 days though).
he train 1 or also 2 days per week!!!!
That's what I was thinking too!😂
@@md.asadullaholi 👍😉
Because he was fooled by the bb in the sport
I’m all for full-body workouts. So many benefits, but only if you are going for yourself. If you are a professional i.e body builder or a strong person. Splits are the way as you do need more recovery, you also have time to go 5-6 times a week.
You only need to do 8-10 exercises with heavy weights or body weight. Hit each body part in one day for 2 or 3 days a week and you can keep it consistent. For example I do
quads 1 exercise
hamstrings 1 exercise
calves 1 exercise
chest 2 exercises
back 2 exercises
shoulders 2 exercises
abs 1 exercise
You can superset some exercises to save time if you wanted to fit in biceps and triceps. I don’t mainly because I train heavy so my biceps and triceps get enough work from heavy back and chest exercises.
Focus on enjoying the process and eating to fuel your workouts and get 6-8 hours sleep every night. Keep it simple and you will see results everything is too complicated mainly due to people wanting more money from you.
I hope this helps someone and keep up the hard work, it does pay off. Also if you feel sore or tired just take another rest day and eat/drink loads, your body will be fine!
Quads 1 shoulders 2??? Makes 0 sense
Let me explain to hopefully help out. I do squats to hit my quads which is 1 exercise and for shoulders I do lateral raises and shoulder press which is 2 exercises hitting the middle and front delt. The rear delt is getting hit mainly by my back exercises. You can also do a Y-Raise with a band or cable to hit your 3 shoulder heads. Hope this makes sense now. @@buddyogun2247
Full body once or twice a week, 20-30 minute workout. Only 20-60 minutes of all out intensity exercise a week and I’m getting jacked!
Sure you are scrawny.
Takes 30 mins just to do 1 exercise.
How to finish a full body in 20m?
@@smsm-kf3gl Imposible
IT'S POSSIBLE FOR SURE .I have also gained muscle by Working out 2-3 times per week.It all depends On diet@@ThirdoptionJCSU
Thats why conjugate works so well 👌🏿
Always listen to the jacked dude about matters involving getting jacked
Not so fast!!! he could be on that shit!!
@@buckeyes1995blahahahaha
Not really 😂 it's not that simple
Arthur sd, " You don't ask a Race Horse how to participate in a Horse Race".
Jacked dude is probably on steroids so unless you take them too I would take everything said with a grain of salt
If you cant recover completly so train 2 days of week
JT watched a vid of J meadows today and that's wt he said : ur way to train should be based on ur capacity to recover. Can't remember if it was for naties I guess..
Alot of people would hear this information and attempt to apply it, without any or negative results. What most dont understand is the biggest variable here is the intensity that Mike applied, many average gym goers cant comprehend what this man means when "a single set to failure of 8 reps" some of you dont have the mental fortitude to do that, thats why a P,P,L or bro split works.
Unless your a competitive bodybuilder frying your cns is ridiculous especially if it effects you at home also if your fully employed in a manual job no way is your body recovering, its all very well if you dont work or retired, as lee haney always quoted stimulate dont annihilate, you can still train hard without killing yourselves
@@barrybarnett731 agreed. Very good points
I agree with Mike. Rest comes first
Mike's personal split routine had him doing an average of 18 sets to failure per workout day. That's about 36 sets over two workouts done over 3-4 days and 60-80 a week. Jones and Darden stuck with total body but ended up using two different total body workouts 2-3 times per week with 8-12 exercises each for 1-2 sets. For example, they would do pulldowns in one workout and rows in the other, biceps in one and forearms in the other, shoulder presses in one and lateral raises in the other. That is basically what the consolidation routine is as well.
Im getting stronger and looking better by doing mikes split , I’m resting 1 or even 2 consecutive days and I’m feeling/looking much better. I used to train 2 to even 4 or 5 consecutive days and was always exhausted.
I’d recommend doing the full 72 hour rest he suggests. The third day really makes a difference.
I still don’t the resting part
Let’s just say I do Chest and back today right? So the next day tuesday I do Legs?
Anyone actually employing the degree of intensity advocated by Jones for MAXIMUM muscle recovery and overcompensation would be physically incapable of performing that workout three days per week. The cumulative stress on the nervous system would lead to unbelievable systemic fatigue in a matter of MAYBE 2-3 weeks for even an elite-level trainer.
Muscle recovery and overcompensation (growth) isn’t really THAT taxing on a relatively fit person. It is the systemic fatigue of the autonomous nervous system that requires so much attention.
Jones was a bona fide genius, but Mike was the chief exponent and practitioner of Jone’s ideas. Mike simply used superior logic and an actual understanding of human physiology (along with a respectable amount of Deca and amphetamine) to expand Jone’s ideas to a greater extent.
Mike was correct here .
Ok boss
@@buddyogun2247Alright !
I do one high intensity set of 15 reps per exercise in a minimalist full body workout three days a week. I used to do endurance training with three sets knowing I wouldn't gain much muscle but my performance would be peak. When I switched to one high intensity set I gained more muscle but subsequently lost some peak performance.
I tried full body and couldn't sustain it. Squats wiped me out.
I do high intensity full body workout every Wednesday, for the last 12 months. I now cant wipe my ass. I have to use a bidet
Lol I hear ya man so u saying ur too bulky after 12 months to wipe your butt 😂God Almighty bless you man 🙏🤗
List your sets and reps...thank you. You only workout once s week ?
How much muscle you gain my boi
Selfie stick works, too. IYKYK
you train one day perr eek?
Mike had the physique of a Greek God!
The End!
and the brain of a scientist.
This "greek god" nonsense is stupid. Those unrealistic sculptures you've seen don't relate at all.
Yeah with steroids lmao
I agree with jones
And that is why 2 days a week of full body HIT is all you will ever need
at that point just do boxing bro 😂
Bro facts
Did it for 2 months and got so many gains my shoulders went from pressing 50s to now 60s but I’ve encountered so many people that say 1 to 3 sets is not enough so now I just do 1 month training different body parts each day for 6 days hitting every muscle 20 set per week and 1 month training hiit going twice a week upper and lower , just to keep my muscles in a constant state of shock
I recognize this, i changed to upper lower split and it's much better
How many days a week? On consecutive days?
@@iridescent880 it's recommended to not train consecutive days to allow your CNS and muscles to recover.
At the moment i have a different split which is push/pull but the same principles apply of course.
Using any HIT type training, for me personally i have found 2 times a week generally to be a good baseline (not necessarily optimal!), but im 42 years old. If you're in the 20s, you can train more no doubt and still get that recovery in
@@Cenot4ph so would a 3 day upper lower do the trick? I find 3 day full body is more taxing the heavier it gets.
@@iridescent880 sure, its also very personal how hard you train, your training level, recovery ability. Many factors that require tailoring to your specific situation.
If you can train hard every single time 3 times a week for 5 or so weeks straight. It sounds like it fits you.
In this case im taking into account 1 deload week per 5 weeks of hard training.
When I do chest and back, it takes me out.
I've been doing HIT training almost a year now with great results. There is no way I can produce that kind of high intensity, that I could do a whole body workout and still be living afterwards. Especially now that I'm getting into much heavier weights now, it much more taxing on my body.
The correct answer was go from 3 days a week down to 2 days a week, even 1 day, if necessary
Probably why I get sick when I feel like I’m back on the groove in the gym working out daily
When I played football , my coach ran a 3 day- a - week full body routines during summer training , it works but if you dont have the nutrition or supplements to back it up , you were definitely going to feel the consequences … but , if done correctly ??!! Like the kool aid man once said “ O Yeeeaaahhh “ 💪😂
@lawof1860
What kind of supplements ?
I train upper body on monday and lower on tuesday and it works great
Some people can't even handle one of those things but college, work, and gym
Or continue doing full body and add 1-2 more days of rest as needed
Key here would be splitting the volume up within 6 or 7 days. Basically it almost seems a trivial amount of exercise comparatively. You have to judge your sessions on a weekly basis rather than daily, because the full depth of fatigue is only realized once every 6 or 7 days.
I was there, he's right. Jones advocated strongly to do full body workouts until you are ready to vomit. I found that to be to much mental overload and unable to recovery.
I couldn’t imagine doing a full body HIT workout. I do Mikes OG split from heavy duty 1 which is full body split into 2 days and it really pushes you to the brink in every aspect.
Split routine is much better. I like a 4 day split. Training each group once per week.
twice.
@@RamonMsancheztwice a week that extra rest day really does bring you back feeling extra motivated and energetic even the next day as your enjoy and benifiting mentally i do active rest day inbetween cardio plyo work
Tom platz was also a high intensity athlete
But also high volume (?)
Why not just go less per week, so full bidy once a week instead of 3 times a week?
So Mike broke with art, then Dorian broke with Mike,
After a full work day, getting my workouts in which are always splits, Im already pretty well spent and still have a family to meet the needs of. I couldnt imagine hitting a full body workout after work. I would be completely depleted and good for nothing the rest of the evening.
Understandable
Yep family life always come first although some obsessed people think the opposite
This guy could have taken the place of Arnold Schwarzenegger..in Hollywood ,he a very good looking man...better looking than Arnold...
😂😂😂😂 yo this guy clear never had the work ethics arnold did hes even telling u to do less arnolds work out where gruesome and long in comparison
@@musclemadnesstop glazing Arnold
@@vets923 why would I do that what dtfu
I do full body workouts 3 days a week and getting in better shape older I get
Turning 50 this year and I have no problem at all smashing all the muscles 3 days a week and I do this with a physical job on top but I've conditioned my body over 30 years of this. Mind you I obviously don't train to Metzers intensity
You do what is good for you.
I'm in Mike's camp
I had stopped working out for yrs then I got back to it. I've been working out for a year now. I only lift twice maybe max three times a week. I do 1 to 2 sets as many as possible till failure. And I've gain alot of muscle. My problem was I wasn't taking enough protein cause I was trying to do the true natural diet. Nut eversince I continued with my work out routine and implemented more protein into my diet I'm starting to see more mass. My point is working out hard and resting more works just make sure you consume enough protein or all that hard work won't give you much gains only strength
What about weight, it is heavy or in middle. What's your average rep range goes to?
@NrecapsAnimeSeries honestly since I had yrs without lifting I started from the bottom. I currently do just dumbbells 40lb. For each exercise I do one to two sets for biceps curls I rep 24-25 to failure. Hammer curls 20 reps to failure, bench 50 to failure, back 40 to failure, shoulders 24 to failure you get my point. I try to do as many reps as possible until I feel that I can't and I keep going. It's been working out great for me.
I am gonna move up to 50lbs now since the 40lb feels kinda light
@@gustavoalonsolopezwolf9098 I am doing the same, I am following mike menters rest protocol with just a little bit of twist. I do upper and lower body split. 2 times a week and cutting right now. It feels like I am still growing big. I do cardio 10 minute on rest days. I do go to absolute failure even cross that.
@NrecapsAnimeSeries yeah lifting till failure and resting 2 days a week or even 3 has done wonders for me. Before I used to work out 6 days a week but I would always feel tired. I do need to work more on my legs though I Mainly focus on upper body but legs are important too
MM probably did way to much reps to failure & volume within each of those Fullbody Workouts.
Arthur Jones : Obi wan
Mike Menzter : Anakin
Menzter didn’t listen well; he was training 3x a week - over training. Should’ve backed down to one to two times. There’s one cns despite several muscles.
You underestimate my power!
Body building is sport , exercise ,gym, is body requirement like food.
4x bro split for the win lawls
Mike really needed to work on his work capacity it seems
Be clear, Arthur Jones and Mike Mentzer had the same level of intensity (Jones taught Mentzer HIT). Jones’s full body routine consisted of 14 exercises with 2 exercises per body part . Even at 1 set per exercise it is a 2 hour routine. Mike chose to essentially Push Pull Legs the routine. However, we/us can also do Full Body with 1 exercise per body part (7 exercises per workout) and be done in an hour, 3 times a week. You do not have to abandon full body completely. Pick your poison.
What are the 7 exercises?
i do hit but im doing 3 sets to failure just once a week,
Some body parts take longer to recover than other body parts. I broken my body into ten body parts resting 2-3 days depending on the body part.
This adds up to doing 3-4 body parts per day training every day. After 12, the cycle repeats
Even though you are training every day, you are not overtraining because each body part has 2-3 days of rest
i dont like the "it all recovers at once"like the legs do not recover at the same rate as the forearms for example
Y’all are ganna think I’m crazy but the best splits are bi/tri, chest/shoulder, abs/back, and legs
Push pull legs is also a great split. It worked for me when I was a regular to the gym
Yes, I think you're crazy
full body 2x a week is best
chest/back, legs, and delts/arms. Abs every workout
So you only split your upper body,
I do full body and I at one point felt fatigued so all I did was back off a little bit and I feel better. I prefer a full body routine 3 days a week anyways. Also I noticed that after I backed off the throttle a little bit and also after taking a week off that I’m bigger and stronger now
My recovery is better on full body, matter of individual response ?
Mine too! It depends on the individual. For me, my workouts are shorter and more intense and I usually take one week off once a month where I will just focus on active recovery just take the week off completely. That has helped me big time.
Wrong, mike is not the Only one who advocates Hit training, Dorian Yates 7 time Mr O is also advocating Hit training infact until this day dorian still speaking things up in all of the podcast hes in to.
I did a full body hit workout yesterday, though it was just 1 set to concentric failure, i was so tired that i slept until evening. I have insane amount of soreness all over my body even now. I had to skip my MMA session today as i can't bend my back because i took deadlift to failure. I dont know why my glutes, neck and some areas of my forearms are also sore.
Lemme see. Mentzer body vs other guys body...hmm..who would I rather look like
everyone's genetic and stamina is different😅
i do full body workout but i train only the basic exercises 5 exercises i grow and get bigger sometimes its okey and i train only 40 minutes 3times a week if you train full body and do 15 exercies for sure its wrong :D haha
Each muscle group ONE time a week(9-12 sets TO FAILURE) has provided me (age 55) more growth than I ever experienced in my younger days(2 muscle groups per workout 2 times per week) !Steroids are the difference.Natural training will not produce the same growth. That's just the truth.
why not full-body twice a week then?
Torso and limbs split. FTW
Basically said gym ain't life
I employ a full-body routine. Typically consists of 12-16 total sets. I work out 5 days a week, which allows me to go a little heavier on different muscle groups depending on the day. Some days I’ll do more sets of lower body exercises, chest/shoulders, arms, back. But everything will get at least 3 sets, every workout.
I don’t often tell people this because it is so different, & it can be an annoying debate to have, but I do this to save time. It’s only 45 min, 5 days a week.
You’re still overtraining. With full body exercise you can lift once or twice a week for 20-30 minutes and grow like a mad man
5days a week the same muscles??? 😂
This could actually work depending on the exercise selection.
@@Nman22222grow like a girl most likely. Weakling stopping other people what to do. I bet you struggle benching 135.
How many times a week should this workout be performed?
True
I agree
I’ve never heard of someone doing a full body workout regularly. Sure on occasion, but as part of a routine would diminish all of your energy.
Experimentei fazer hoje pra fugir da rotina, estou acabado mano. Voltando pro meu push, pull, legs e upper
True i tried fullbody yesterday boy im exhausted. Going back to my torso and limbs split 2 on 2 off repeat.
Guys everything will work as soon as u r on juice
Full body 2x a week
Yep. Sometimes I even go 7 or 8 days in between lifts and still get bigger and stronger every workout
@@Nman22222this is because you're super weak.
@@Nman22222one day perr week?
There is no perfect method to working out. Just gotta get in there and see what gets YOU results.
Exactly just train the way you want and benefit from , I personally prefer listening to the likes of Lee labrada., Lee haney etc lol showing my age now😂, but everyone's different I now train 3 days a week chest and triceps-mon, back and biceps, Wednesday, and shoulders and legs Friday, I train to failure but only when form breaks down not beyond failure, my cns thanks me for it also age and recovery come into factor as I'm 65 and still in full time work so recovery is key
So like day 1 legs/upper body then rest day 2 then day 3 upper body/legs then rest day 4? And just follow the cycle ?
As you get stronger, you may find that the demands of the total body workout is just too much. I found that that happened after about five months of following Jone's program. My training partner and I were using Nautilus equipment, and we saw our strength almost double by that time. We were using the entire stack on quite a few machines (we even had to pin a 45 lb plate to the stack of certain pieces of equipment). By the time we got to the eighth or ninth exercise, working towards completing twelve, our hands and legs were trembling. We then decided to shift to a two-way split, still working three days a week. We continued to progress and felt a lot better (albeit, we were still sore most of the time). Unfortunately, we started to add more and more volume, with more exercises, and lost sight of the fact that, as we were getting stronger, we needed to allow for more recovery. This mistake is what ended up derailing our efforts... after which we just abandoned the weights.
Soooo "intense" just means train to failure every set?
Arthur Jones doesn’t appear to have any actual experience with any form of workout routine. The basic concept of his idea vs split days seems ludicrous to me but if it was the norm, Metzler was a genius on top of being an elite athlete.
Only natural athletes can speak.
So here's my question if I am supposed to do bicep workout should I just do one exercise which has one set or should I do more exercises of the bicep workout with single sets on the same day?
If u can get enough stress into the biceps with 1 set thats enough to grow...
Everyone has a different body type and in my case I do what works for my body. I have tried many different types of workouts and sets and now I just concentrate on form and tension and changing the types of exercises every other week so my muscles feel a difference on the workouts.
I’m not a body builder just staying lean and alive.
Best of luck to all of you out there trying to figure things out. Just keep going and don’t get frustrated, just do what works for you 💪
Changing exercises every other week is a noob thing , you have to change it every 4-8 weeks, i.e when you feel no more pump /you’re bored etc
He later went back on that tho, he stated that the best his body looked and felt at one point was when he was doin 3 days a week lol
I see what he mean's!
This makes absolutely no sense tbh. How can you limit fatigue by training even harder when you couldn't even take a full body 3x a week? These roided guys say whatever shit they want and people listen.
That is a fact.
Does Mike talk about push pull legs somewhere? Because as far as I've seen he does chest and back arms and shoulders and legs, is there some kind of benefit or is it an individual preference
When he was coaching Dorian Yates, he prescribed him a PPL routine (you can find this routine in the book The Wisdom of Mike Mentzer written by John Little). However, in his last book, Mike's ideal routine is Chest-Back, Legs, Shoulders-Arms, and Legs again. I've tried both routines and concluded that PPL is better for me since the recovery is easier. When I train Chest and Back in the first workout, I have to insert a Leg session in between Chest-Back and Shoulders-Arms workouts because training chest fatigues triceps-front delts and training back fatigues biceps-rear delts.
@@efea.6178 can you please send me that ppl routine? Also how many rest days are there in between the workouts
@@gaarauchiha7151i can send you the book he mentioned if you want, just let me know how you want it sent to you.
@@1__ofthem_1s like an online version of the book?
@@gaarauchiha7151I think it was push, pull, lower, rest, push, pull, rest, lower, repeat
Makes sanse he is the only person till this day with hes level of symetry
Symmetry is 95% genetics.
@@zemm9003 would disagree all people have a bigger left or right but becaus of focused training the inbalance goes away
@@nemanjamarkovic2444 you can disagree all you want but it doesn't make it any less true. People can focus on not making one side bigger than another or even equalizing certain size differences. The problem is that most of the symmetry comes from the shape of the muscle itself which is entirely a genetic trait.
@@zemm9003 how does it feel to be wrong kid?
This all works with people on anabolic... Me' as natural' if stop training for a week and keeping diet' I lose mass.
not really. steroids help mostly with recovery time, so if what you are saying is true, then people on gear would be the ones most affected after a week of not training. However, that is not case
So, you, as a natural, would greatly benefit in strength and size gains when waiting 4-7 days between workouts, so that you ensure that your body has recovered properly.
@@brunojuarez1883 u wrong. Just check it out.
Yep.
@@brunojuarez1883this is nonsense. Steroids will put muscle on you no matter what. There are a couple of exceptions but someone that is on as much stuff as Mentzer will get away with anything. For naturals frequency and volume are very important. You will not make long term progress on this nonsense program (if you're very weak and frail you can gain muscle as a beginner but as soon as you reach the intermediate stage or even earlier you will stop growing completely and might even regress).
Did u say steriods help mostly with recovery time 😂😂😂😂 wow yh thats why people take them to recovery quicker thats the main benefit 😅 😄
Dead at 49
👉Logic!👈
This goes against everything Mentzer talked about
Why would he say train a body part hard then rest it for an extended period of time
But then go and train each body part 3 x a week on a full body
I feel full body would work fine but you still need to train hard and rest longer
Full body in this case would probably be better doing only 2 x a week
Interesting
Aurthur Jones did say you shouldn't train HIT more than 1 total hour per week. Sounds like Mike didn't get the memo....
Yet look at other people and arnold? You still can gain size wether you take a day off or not, mike just did it the lazy way
Jones sounds like a person who has never done manual labor…. Bro, if half your body is toast you’re really gonna want that other half to take up the slack. Even as a person who does full body workouts primarily, I know that is silliness to suggest that recovery is the reason for it. It’s because you can stimulate growth without destroying any one group. And you don’t need to. If health is your goal, just get the blood flowing and move on to more important things in life 👍👍
I do boxing with gym. I workout 6 day straight. In my gym workout i do full body workout. 3 days for gym , 3 days for boxing training. I am also losing weight. Someone give me advise is it good for me?
Depends how you feel sometimes ya don’t wanna over Do it especially making weight you lose too much strength so depends on timing phase of training your on , and age .
I train high intensity heavy and light I do my style been training since 1976 I am now international classic pro natty champion Still Competing 58 years old
Do the math
How about ,Paul quad zilla
Stop listening to people who take gear when you DON'T
Mike’s program actually is ideal for a natural lifter. a natural lifter needs far more recovery time than someone taking gear. Mike addresses this fact.
@joehadenough1642 Sir, a natural lifter needs more overload for adaptation than Mike suggests. Long cardio sessions, two-a-days, plyometrics, its a lot of work. Even on rest days 30min of cardio min. I know from experience. You gotta work if you wanna be a cover girl 💃💪🫢
The only thing that conflicts with mike is he wants a whole work out routine in 1 hour or less. Very difficult to do.
HIT 5x a week if u on 💉