How to Grip a Pistol: Tips & Tricks
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Because defensive shooting requires protectors to shoot accurately and quickly under stress, how a gun is held becomes very important. In this video I will give some simple tricks that will allow shooters to reduce muzzle flip and run the pistol flat absorbing recoil. The secret is not in gripping the pistol tightly, rather it is in the proper biomechanics, grip pressures, and contact points.
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these 2 videos taught me more than any other shooting video I've ever seen
Thanks Thomas! wow.
@@WarriorPoetSociety does your thumb not get caught under the slide? What if your in a situation when your running and accidentally get your hand cut open from thw slide
Same for me - best tutorials for grip and arm position on TH-cam, hands down!
Same here! I practiced this at home and went to the range today. My shots were center grouped. It's the pinky finger, I swear!
Absolutely brother. I as well have gained a tremendous amount of info and help from watching this video.
Just returned from the range...rolled the arms in, and found a nice cozy home for the pinky. Fantastic results!!!
Craig
+c cope awesome!
One of the best grip video I've ever seen. Well explained in a clear in an interesting way. Please do more videos. A video on sight pitcher and trigger control please. Top man John.
Thank you Daniel!
Never ever thought about the position of my elbows making such a difference
+Charles Driggers HUGE difference. Enjoy!
I know. That trick was what I've been missing. I don't think I would have sold my last pistol if had seen this video earlier. (I sold it because it had a crooked barrell. 😁
Ditto Thomas Fedrich... these two videos need to be mandatory for any sort of firearms training class. WPS is the best channel out there.
Absolutely love the pinky technique! I can feel the power of having something to press against. I have learned so much today from watching both your videos on gun grips . Rolling the arms and shoulders in, head slightly forward, and the mindset. I'm that 70 year old woman that no one would ever assume was dangerous but by God, you're making me that way! Thanks!
These two videos saved me from failing my LEO qualification. After I shot hundreds and hundreds of rounds of ammunition trying every single brand on the market shooting every single day trying to figure out what I am doing wrong getting more and more frustrated I finally found this video and the prior video. Thanks to this gentleman and his last video in this video I am now shooting at 25 yards put in 12 rounds with then a golf ball size area on the target.I am now very confident when I take my qualification exam in July. I can’t thank you enough for making these videos.
Out of respect for cops not correction officers 😂 I wish you guys had guys like our prophet John Lovell at your disposal I’d gladly pay my tickets for that.
good tips
Mrgunsngear Channel indeed! lol
Zack Childress i see what you did there lol
yeah
I want to thank you for this. I tried a few of these grip ideas (ekspecially the pinkie thing) and tightened my groupings up.
happy to help!!!
it would be interesting to see how your grip would change using a smaller compact pistol like a S&W M&P Shield 9mm.
+Warren Ray it doesn't change at all, but on reloads I always pinch the mess out of my hand
John Lovell and Warren Ray -- Yes true it shouldn't matter, however when gripping an XDmod2 9 3in, it does give some trouble with left hand stability. but practice and power through. 😉
I would just get a better gun like a G19 or VP9...
Would a left handed shooter have the same grip?
@@quiet2766 I'm left handed reverse what he tells you to the letter it will look exactly the same tried in front of a mirror for a while to see how my body and shoulders arms looked
Im glad I found this video, very useful information. Thanks for sharing.
Nice video with helpful information... Thank you
Does anyone find that the slide doesn’t lock back sometimes with this support hand grip?
a mistake I was doing is press in the upper part of the gu,n, now I focus more in the grip (down) and got way better results.
Thank you, sensei! I have watched numerous videos about shooting and pistol grip, and this is the first time that I have seen the physics of the grip explained so clearly.
took this to the range... most consistent accuracy yet. going to be watching this and practicing more
so glad my friend! See you on the range!
thanks sir!
Thanks from Brazil, fantastic videos!
Big fan. But I only have one arm. Would love to see a video of tips for one handed shooting. Especially on keeping the gun steady.
Also, sometimes it looked like the left thumb was on the slide. Wouldn't that hurt if your thumb isn't placed perfectly?
I love your trigger pulling sound effects. Great content - incredibly informative and entertaining in unexpected ways. Thanks for doing what you do to educate viewers like myself. I especially appreciate the biblical injections you include.
That is quite possibly the best grip tutorial I have ever watched. I've practiced, witnessed, and even been instructed on gripping, but have never had anyone mention "camming in the elbows" now I have one more thing to practice. I imagine this will be the next step in the evolution of shooting. Elbow position just seems to get skimmed over, or overlooked for the most part.
Thanks stu!
+John Lovell just like a handshake: firm but relaxed. No death grips! You'll lose trigger control.
I just came across this video and i believe I might have just received the diagnostic for my missed shots thank you for going into as much detail as you did differently gonna try these adjustments to improve my accuracy
Silly as it is, just the term "Sympathetic contractions," helped clear so many things up. A lot of what you're saying is directly relatable to what I do as a percussion teacher. Good stuff!
Thanks John! I have been trying thumbs forward but wasn't happy with it but after watching this and doing some dry practice I can't wait to hit the range and try elbows out.
how'd it work out?
I never was a good pistol shooter until some guy years ago told me about elbows out. It made so much sense compared to me locking my elbows as they used to teach us. I hope it worked out well for you.
Yea, John with crappy trigger control. Tell me another one, John. LOL
my accuracy has went through the roof with your tips. groupings have never been so tight before
3:59 I’m pretty sure that’s what that kid from T. rex arms does with his finger for grip. If it works, it works👍
Great video.
Your tips may be 3 years old but they are right on for me for my M9a3. If I do a full finger wrap with my left hand and keep my left index finger putting hard pressure on the left frame,pivoting hand forward, and pivoting my elbows tilting the pistol CW I can usually do the 3" bull at 10 yards consistently. That may not be good for those who have been doing this for years but I just started pistol shooting 2 months ago. And I'll be 82 in Dec. Trying to work out procedure in my mind ... let's see .... Grip then Draw, Slap & Wrap (left palm & wrap fingers with no gap), and Pivot left hand down, Pressure with left index finger. Rotate left elbow, squeeze left hand, relax RH a little and apply pressure pressure on trigger. I know ... if I do it enough it will come automatically.
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one more great tip brother... still waiting to be able to order them warrior poets polos !! 😉
So sorry, I know. We were talking about them last night. We'll get to them
BangSwitch I wouldn't mind getting one either cause I always need a polo for work lol.
John Lovell been watchin your videos just started, where are you based out of ?
Just watched both of the grip videos, and I've been told before "do this, do that" but you are the first to EVER go into the why of it all. This helps so much when I can understand the purpose of gripping and managing the forces and leverage. Thank you, Mr. Lovell.
Just re-watched these for the first time in a couple of years. Really outstanding explanations and demonstrations. Thanks!
could you do a video on proper grip of the single stack 9mm's ? ... 43,pps, shield, ect ect .. so many people carrying them now ,buying for their wife ect,and no good TH-cam vids on how to properly grip and shoot these small pistols , and possibly explain the best ways to overcome the shortcomings ..
+Josh B my grip for my 43 is identical
Also left index finger goes way forward closer to the muzzle.....kind of scary....This is Julie’s hubby.Eric
This 5 year old video is a great lesson for me a new shooter. Just picked a gun for the first time. It has helped me for my qualifications.
That logo looks a lot like the Heavens Gate symbol from the game Far Cry 5
I like this shoulder and elbow trick especially for women. I help teach women. Should they work on STRENGTHENING THESE MUSCLE GROUPS. IT HAS Helped ME CAUSE I AM ABOUT YOUR SIZE. NOT A HUGE GUY
A whole lot of light bulbs lit up throughout these two videos, and a whole lot of connections made as I watched and acted along. Wow...thank you for these insights and recommendations. I am a relatively new shooter and I will be practicing these approaches. I’m consistently low and left and now I have some great safeguards to implement. Man, I feel like the pinky trick will really benefit with the P365 to firm it up even more...I can feel it. Thank you so much. I’ll be trying all of this out on Tuesday at the range.
Ok this video was messing with me until I saw John walk it back a little bit on James Yeager's channel. If you have good trigger finger discipline GRIP THAT GUN AS HARD AS YOU CAN! (The video is called "50 reasons why John Lovell is wrong" it's at 14:22)
I just got done watching this and pt 1, Thank ya John.... I thought I had a good grip but I've noticed on my training video's that I have a LOT of muzzle flip!
Soooooo. Thanks again
I was target shooting 2day with my ruger 57 & i have kinda small hands,im 5'8 & weigh about 145 & the 57's grip is a tad big for me,anyways while i was working on my grip,after poppin iff a few rounds with any of my hanguns,my index finger get sore & i have actually brought blood out if my index tip,i dont know how,but it has happened a few times to me,but i regripped my pistola & why,i dunno but i used my middle finger(lefty here) i positioned my index down the length as if pointing it at my target & used my middle finger,dayum,no awkwardness at all,no blood after 2 full mags released & i hit my target way more times than ever b4,it just felt right,so with that,do u have any pointers on this method or corrections i need to attend in order to use my index finger,ir is it(as most say) tiz up 2 the beholder on proper position? Just curious if there are anyone out there in patriot land with these same issues(being a lefty,bleeding index,awkward using all the normal techniques i been watching & reading on)?ANY INFO WOULD BE MOST APPRECIATED.
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Hi John, love the videos!
I noticed when I grip the pistol (I'm RH) my left index finger likes to grab the front of the trigger guard and pull the gun into my right hand...is this bad, good, or indifferent? I'm still quite a novice so I don't want to develop bad habits. Thanks in advance!
Best physiology of a proper pistol grip I've ever seen.
Anatomy
You would not believe the difference this video made in my shooting. I'm an official camberer... cammer... whatever the word, it works. I now don't have the tight grip trigger pull problem I've always had. It's like all my pistols automagically started shooting straight... because they, not I, didn't before. (Using 8 year old's lack of ownership wording there.)
I came here for John's hair.....wasn't disappointed 😃🇺🇲🇺🇲
Im a competitive shooter and accidentally stumbled across your page one day. Been hooked ever since. Love your stuff!! Your tips are spot on. Anyone who say’s they’re not is frankly an idiot. I was fortunate to learn how to shoot from a 7 time world champion shooter named Ted Bonnet who taught that exact method. Awesome stuff man and thanks for sharing your knowledge because I’ve grown to be a big fan. I now subscribe to your network channel as well. Go Army 💪🏼🍻
The strong grip keeps the trigger pull more stable for me. I practice isolating finger movement. Not hard to do with a little practice. Musicians do it all the time. Still need arm, forearm, shoulder, etc, to form that strong frame, but grip stabilizes the trigger pull. Of course a good trigger pull is very important, but I am talking about small movement cause by the trigger finger. My stronger grip helps me. Hell, I even use the front of the trigger guard for my support hand index finger! OH NO LOL! Only on certain pistols but man I can lock down recoil!
I say hooah. After watching dozens of videos of how to grip it properly i ended up shooting so bad i could not qualify at all. Missing most of the shots. Than after relaxing my grip and watching this video i went back to shooting 40 out of 40. Sometimes simpler is better. Thank you for your advise and thank you for your service.
I have this odd, potentially bad habit that has started recently... as I practice drawing, I find my index finger of my off hand ends up over the trigger guard....why is that? Is it bad? Is it subjective? It isn't something I've always done, and very unsure why that has started recently... I haven't changed anything...very confused!
Rupterd a tendon in my index finger. Still haven't really gotten my groove back when I shoot. Especially pistols
Do you have any students complain of slide bite when trying to achieve this technique? I have big hands and it seems like my trigger hand wants to ride up on the slide when trying to get my support hand high enough. I carry a G19. Just started carrying and really learning how to shoot correctly. Also just found your channel. By far the best instructional videos I've seen on TH-cam!
I'm ALWAYS amused when WPS vids open w 4 spaced shots, & exactly ONE spent shell hits concrete.
Michael Shapiro the other three shots were fired from ghost guns clearly
Great Video. These techniques work even better with addition of thumb assist like the Gas Pedal brand thumb assist. Gets more leverage, relaxes trigger hand even more and allows virtually any elbow or arm position.
Great video. This might be tough to ask in a comment but when you grip the pistol, is the back of the pistol grip facing more towards the v between your thumb and hand or slightly more towards your wrist. I've started to hold more towards the wrist but gripping the pistol like that is not nearly as comfortable (if I don't I tend to pull shots to the left). Its probably masking 20 other mistakes I'm making lol.
That is always where I mess up..... over gripping the gun...... I kept wondering why the harder I grabbed it the worse I would shoot..... this is the first video I've found that made since and will definitely be applying this...... most of the time it's deceiving when you watch people gripping the pistol it always looks like they are gripping it hard
This has been the most helpful video that I’ve watched for pistol grip and control.
The next day I went to the range and I drastically improved my Point of Aim, Point of Impact, AND speed.
I wanted to say thank you so much.
Strange with torque in. It pull my pink from the grip. Ask my wife to pull the slide back and it flip higher.... Am i missing anything?
John! I watch your Pistol 1 video and am trying to get my grip down and was having some trouble. This video explains the Fulcrum point better. Is there a way you could edit this into the Pistol 1 video?
I don't know if that grip would work too well on a compact handgun 19 Smith & Wesson whatever I have a 19 my pinky would never fit under my other fingers and twisting my elbows out and up like that just does not feel natural at all, I can say I can hold my own at the range but I don't think all that extra effort in trying to work that muscle memory on twisting those elbows out and such is really worth it but good video thank you keep them coming very informative. I do enjoy your vids keepem coming brother.
Great tip! But when I shoot a gen 4 glock 19 with extended slide release, the high left thumb always accidentally raises the slide release and makes slide lock back while there are still rounds left in the magzine. Do you have any suggestions for me? Thanks.
No bullshit dude. I just watched a gun control add before this vid with some celebrities talking about the NRA’s dangerous agenda.
What a great video!
I have a question: Is it ever okay to pull the trigger with your right middle finger? I find that right index finger provides extra "stability" on the right side of the gun.
Thank you in advance.
Hi, Which of the 2 guns has a more comfortable grip for medium size hand ? the glock 19 or the CZ P-01
what pistol sights do you recommend and could it effect the way you shoot with the pistol by making it seem more accurate?
Chk that....I meant leftTHUMB very forward!
I'll be trying this tomorrow. thanks brother
Question. For a left handed shooter. What is the best right hand position? If you just mirror the right hand method your thumb is really close to the ejection port. I always drop the thumb lower and keep everything else the same but have always wondered if that’s the best technique.
I wonder if this group works better for Glock frames. I tried this with my vp9 and it just dont seem to hold right. Maybe I just need to try it more because I know John knows his stuff!!!
This is exactly the video I was looking for! I'm going to try these things next time, hopefully it will improve my bad shooting by a lot... Thank you!
Learn something new everyday.. thanks!
The pinky finger grip works well..
I've been using that Pinky technique since this video came out . Holy rusted metal batman does it work.
this video is a couple years old, but I keep revisiting it as I continue to train. I seen to struggle with my G43, I have fairly large hands, and not sure if this is to small of a gun, or just need to get my muscle memory in gear.
Awesome teaching very good information!!!!!!
Keep it coming!!!
I broke my left elbow and can't fully straighten it so it feels awkward but I do feel the increase in pressure and it sure helps, but it keeps me from completely straightening my right arm. I've always been a great shot but It drives me crazy I can't run a mag dry on target like these guys
What about smaller guns...I target shoot with a Ruger lcp2 22lr...still figuring out the best grip
The elbow trick works for me. It also makes it easier for me to now pick up my dot on my rmr. The pink thing I can’t get down but I like the elbow trick for sure. @warriorpoet thanks!
Upbeat and informative! By the way........how can I get a t-shirt?
My go to for first time shooters asking to go shoot guns.. 4 rules of shooting these 2 videos, recoil management and how to shoot and ar15/m4 by john..
I have a training question for ya. I have cross dominant eyesight (left eye dominant, right hand) and am curious how I should align my sights with my dominant eye when I present my handgun. I can reliably present to my non-dominant eye side and be on target just from muscle memory, but this might not always work when it matters most. Is there a better way to present so I can get the gun to my dominant side without losing that 1 sec it takes to move it over after presenting on my weak eye side?
I like the elbow idea but how do you get your wrists to line up like that? When I try that my muzzle is lowered to a 30 or 45 degree angle from sight picture.
How much thumb pressure are you using with your RIGHT Hand?
Pinky thing makes more sense anyway. You have more grip strength in your ring finger and pinky that the rest of your fingers. This is way when sword or staff fighting your grip comes from lower three fingers while thumb and pointer finger are used to movement and direction control.
I think its important to be able to cross reference instructors with experience, because if they all mention certain points, those points are evidently the key to a certain skill. When I watch your videos I hear many of those same key points , friction and leverage in this one, but you manage to communicate in a way thats more concise and practical than most other things I've read heard or seen. Bravo for that
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Could you do an update on this for all of us new shooters with sub-compacts? Love the idea of the pinky trick but not so much room on a small size gun.
John, what’s your opinion on lighter recoil springs to reduce felt recoil and flip? Is it worth the reliability risk?
Anything wrong with using this grip, but wrapping the support hand index along the front of the trigger guard? It seems to help with leverage and keeping that index out of the way so to speak.
Tis true, my sister has been shooting forever but she didnt keep her arms tight while trying to shoot a .45 ( she wasnt used to) and the gun came back and smacked herself in the head. Shes ok though.
I did see from this video that i should probably stop keeping one hand under the grip while my other hand holds the gun..dont know why i do it and why noone told me to stop but i didnt see you do it so i shouldnt so it. Might help
in the thumb forward grip the slide can’t ever cut your thumbs when it cycles??
You seem like a great enthusiastic instructor!
I would definitely be able to learn from your instruction.
Light hearted with Accurate training.
You allow me to be a peacock and fly!
Is it possible to put to much pressure on the slide with your support hand to cause shots to not hit poa? I’m right handed and I catch myself putting too much thumb pressure on the slide. Thanks!
What's a good practice tool for repeating trigger pulling. I shoot a Glock 19 gen 3
I been learning to shoot with my right hand I have a S&W MP Shield chambered in 40 Cal bought a couple of new ProMag for it & about 3 round in I had a slide bite ouch + it did not help matters any when these mags were jamming bummers, so I ended my shoot early Any shooter will tell you real quick to keep thumbs under the beaver tail at all times. I am waiting for some replacement mags to come I will give it another go. I figure my slide bite will be heal by then :) Thanks for the tips I look forward to using them soon
In the last video they said the wrist needs to be locked out. Are there any tricks to keeping the wrist locked out without basically pointing at the ground?
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I love the grip that gets built by using the weakside trigger finger to hook the guard, but it was messing with my splits because of the trigger finger bumping into it. Going to play with the pinky for it a bit.
Why don't they make the frame have a thumb tab that sticks out on the left side of the gun so your lead thumb rests on a downward pressure point???
I bolt my pistol to my hands. Excellent grip and nobody can take my weapon
I really enjoy your videos . Very good training and tips !!Thank you
Fantastic breakdown! I'm going to practice rolling the elbows (you said in, but I think you meant out?). Thanks brother.
The "pinky grip" doesn't appear to work with a subcompact pistols (e.g. Glock 26 M&P9c) or single stack (Glock 43, Shield). Can you address smaller framed pistols in Part 3 or 4? I'd think the fundamentals would be the same, but maybe some minor adjustments.
+Ben Turcotte yep, no pinky for the tiny stuff, and yes 'out'. #instructorfail
I had the same problem using the pinky thing with the LCP haha. But other than that, everything else is working wonders. I used to be a weaver guy xD I started to realize that wasn’t actually very practical.