It did make it unique but i think having integrated bootcamps. If the pt standards stay the same will be better for future units. Maybe increase the run distance for pfts to 4.5 miles
@@svenvanwier7196 no test shows that Numerous militaries use women All the ones bette then america does They lost to Vietnam But badisllt it’s like this Any dude in the military who literally can’t handle being around women Is clearly not qualified and has no business being in the military He sucks and fails to meet standard Bring in women in As one of the easiest ways to weed out a bunch of the dudes who have no business being in the military and will commit a good half the warcrime Like if you can’t be trusted not to grape a fellow somdier Your gonna kill a bunch of kids And you should be In jail Not the army Any somdier who’s like women can’t serve Should be kicked out
@@felixuchies4688 except in the infantry you can't have a lighter pack because you still need to haul weapon systems and ammo. The standard weight is the standard weight either you can haul it or you're not an infantryman. Anything lighter means you are sacrificing mission critical gear, ammo, or weapons systems.
@@lait3967 except you are in the military and have a chance of seeing combat, if I was at war I'd want everyone there who passed the standard test and not the "standard" test
No one mentions that on marches, girls get their day packs (30lbs of gear) and guys get their rucks (60-70lbs of gear). This is why they're ahead of the guys, cause they're not exhausted
And she was instantly made a special forces desk warrior🙏🙏 im so glad they make it worse for our men who just joined to kill and be bad ass and are instead given worse instruction to compensate for the useless women who make up a large part of our fighting force🙏🙏🙏 this will definitely not have a lasting and bad effect on our military. Also frick whoever promotes women just because shes a women and pass up on the guys who actually want a carear.
@@td5046yes that was in 2006 I think. The black female soldier apparently witnessed her superior officer sleeping around whilst in Iraq. Sad that the case unsolved to this day.
I remember a study was done with women's integration into combat roles. There was a platoon of all men, mixed, all women. They were given all standard infantry jobs such as tabbing however many miles, full kit, then carrying out unit attacks etc. The teams were then ranked. All men first, then the mixed team, then the all women. I'm sure there are some top notch female infantry soldiers/marines, as long as they can carry their weight and do their job to the same standards I'm not fussed
I was a combat MOS. When we did cls (combat life saving) almost none of the women were even able to drag me in full kit, I only weigh 165lbs without kit.
Not really. Females have a different standard. And youre not really training with the females at all. I was in an integrated company, and i saw the females marching sometimes and we got gassed together but thats about it. Basic training is a very small and insignificant part of any military career. Especially as combat arms. Your rifle companys are still all male
@Naturally toasty the standard has always been different for females. Until recently females have not been involved in combat roles. The one thing that has not changed is the combat standards. Both males and females must complete the same physical and academic standards. Which is why if you are actually in an infantry company you will very rarely see a female. People who have not served do not understand the difference between basic training. Which every marine goes through including the technical jobs such as cyber or airwing where the physical fitness really doesnt matter. Combat training is very very different. The marine corps infantry is not getting soft, and if you arent actively holding an 03 mos you have no idea what the fuck you're talking about
When I went thru OSUT at Benning in summer 2020, every girl in my troop either failed a “mandatory to pass” PT test or ruck. They all got pushed through for the sake of numbers. Mind you they recycled all the guys that barely didn’t cut it.
@@lonnieknight9187I’m army not marines but isn’t it that anyone west of the Mississippi goes there? Could be wrong since I am a soldier and not a marine.
@@Yochillbruh0hthey have just made changes (as this Marine references) so I'm not clear on new policies, but previously, ALL female Marines were trained at Parris Island.
@@mountainmangaming808 yet they and females in school too they get less cuz there weaker it's just factual. We are stronger so we get worse I think it's bs and they should just pick a number on between and stick with it and not have such a huge gap I remember looking at the requirements and it was just like why??? Why? Why? I get we are bigger but holy fucking shit.
So I was actually a part of that cycle. I was Plt 2001, and the girls were Plt 2000, so I lived on the deck on top of theirs. The only reason that the girls were at the front was so they could set the pace. All the platoons were the same distance from each other as any other company on a hike. Some females arrived at the barracks without their packs. Didn't see that from any guys.
I remember about 6-7 years ago I went through basic warrior week with females. We were dragging ammo cans in the prone under some barbed wire and some female recruit grabbed my ankle to get some leverage, I look back to confirm this and I used that wooks helmet like a step stool and kept goin 😂.
You should be court martialled. I never thought id see a man LITERALLY using a fellow marine as a stepping stone. This is just the definition of toxic masculinity and IT IS NOT OK.
I remember females training in cali with us at MCT. They weren't used to the cali heat and hills that we had. I remember going up hills with most females holding the male's packs for support. We didnt complain and were happy to help. But our sergeants weren't having it.
As a recently prior drill instructor. That story is cap, You walk as a company and you have to stop for mandatory break’s regardless of who you are. Your whole team can be fired and disciplined if something happened and they found out you didnt stop. In the case of ssgt smiley, a kid dies, and now hes facing jail time
Army, when we did our ruck march and shoot there were only about 2 or 3 females who didn't lag behind, me and a couple other guys fell back to try and get all the females to keep going and to not stop because all of them were crying so much during the ruck... It was only 4 or 5 miles full kit😶
There's a standard for a reason, it should be the same regardless of sex, if you can't meet it, you can't join We can't have exceptions just because they aren't strong enough to keep up, giving them lighter standards will be dangerous not just for them, but others around them
Yet the standard changes depending on age. A 30 year old marine does not have to run as fast as an 18 year old, and must do more pushups. Both still have the same combat expectation. Almost like the standards are based on what we can reasonably expect from a person. Forcing women to meet a standard they physically can't would effectively bar many from service. That's fewer bodies that can fight for our country. Would you rather 50 men or 50 men + 50 women? But I know what you'll say. Because this isn't about standards, it's misogyny.
@@virgiecarter4493there is some truth in there. Best way to tell is the discrepancies between age requirements and sex requirements. I’m only familiar with the Army one and it’s not easy to differentiate it. At the end of the day if a person can do the required and realist basics (being able to drag a body, climb a fence, etc.), so be it.
@@virgiecarter4493it should be MOS dependent. There were many guys and girls who didn’t meet standards when I was in active duty and we were a combat MOS. The standards are hard to fail in my opinion. However, I will say if your MOS is working on a desk then okay different standards seems reasonable. I was a combat MOS and we got on both men and women who couldn’t meet the standards because they were a danger to us. You also have to consider other aspects of training as more important than the PT test. For example, CLS. Most men were able to easily carry me during that training, and I only weigh 165lbs. Almost all women couldn’t even drag me.
😂 they gave them a head start they do that all the time because they don't want to demoralize the females 😂 and when the guys catch up they force them to stop 😂
The female platoon is usually up in the front when hiking. We have the same weight, but they usually have a few of them fall out by the end of every hike. PT standards are different, but not by much, that's it. Give these women the respect they deserve. They are part of the few and the proud.
I went to bootcamp at Paris Island on FEB 23 2020. I was 2nd BN H CO plt 2034. We had a sister platoon, 2036. The first in H CO history. We all did the same training but the females did theirs separately at their own pace. Those female DI’s are ruthless😂😂
I've seen integrated training companies for the infantry and none of the females could actually pass the standard for infantrymen, especially on hikes. In the infantry you either haul all your gear, ammo, and weapons systems or you're not in the infantry doesn't matter the sex. The mission is the mission and needs to be done to and above the standard or else you're sacrificing mission critical gear, or sacrificing other guys lives because they have to haul extra weight and gear that others are incapable of carrying.
No they need to put Parris Island back the way it was and females need to be trained in San Diego. Parris Island is male only and this side of the Mississippi at that
even if it did, the men carried 60-70lb bags, while the females carried 30lb bags lol, and good chance the men got beasted the entire time stopping, going etc
To any woman in this comment section who wants to go into the Marines or any branch of the military, ignore some of these comments, you can fight for this country wonderfully.
Someone needs to do the paperwork. Or our laundry I guess...other than that female marines are useless. Known many and all were trash...luckily I was in a recon b.n and didn't have to deal with them nasty wooks on the daily.
Wtf 😂 as a woman, this sounds ridiculous to me. I understand that men are genetically stronger than women, but anyone should be able to easily do at least 20 push-ups with not much training.
So we’re not gonna talk about how much slack they’re given compared to the men?In the spirit of equality, everyone should have the same standards to meet.
RIP Marine Corps. The army couldn’t kill you, but DIE did. I remember MCT. I remember the ladies couldn’t handle the load they had to Cary because it really messed with their hips.
When I went through in 2018 we were the first company to dip our toe into “integrated training”. We didn’t do anything together per se but we’d do some of the things at the same time as them but segregated completely, except for the hike (I believe it was either a 7 or 10k). We had about 1 female for each 3 male recruits and after the first hour it had completely failed and separated into males about 1k ahead of the females. The issue was there was a news reporter who was going to take a picture at the end of the hike, so we had to slow down for the last click or so in order for them to catch back up and reintegrate. One of the biggest horse and pony shows I’ve seen in the Marines.
Sounds like this time in fire academy when we were doing an air consumption test and the person with the most time on air was the one girl in the class. which for those that don’t know is you see how much time you have on a single air tank while doing basically a circuit workout but every thing is firefighting related chopping a power pole laying on the ground with an ax, simulating hose pulls by dragging tires on a rope, flipping tractor tires, hitting tires with sledge hammers,climbing stairs with a high rise pack, etc.. all in full gear on air. The instructors were fucking with us because come to find out my company commander was right there when she did her test and she went through one full rotation and when she got back to chopping a power pole for 3 minutes which is what you start out on she couldn’t even pick up the ax, so they let her just walk around until she ran out of air while the men got to actually keep doing the air consumption test. Another giant coincidence is when you look around the class room of other graduating classes, there is always one woman in the graduating class. We started out with four women and graduated with one. Might be a coincidence or it might be they give women special treatment. 3 of the girls failed written test which if you ask me seems like the one thing they should’ve actually been good at. Almost like they failed on purpose because it was too physically demanding. 🤔😂
It's become universal in a lot countries, it's not just the US that's implementing females into combat roles, or the military in general, most countries implement females fully into combat, and support roles.
I understand the universal trend. But integrating male and females is just incorporating problems. Did the Spartans go into battle with their woman. Nope. Why would my beloved Marine Corps. That’s weakening the quality of future Marines…
In the army, when you have to ruck back from Vic Forge. The females quite literally couldn’t keep up. Every single one of them feel behind the whole company, and the van would just drive them to the front and drop them off. That happened like 3 times that I can remember, it’s bullshit in my opinion
I was in an all male company and at the time there were few integrated companies. The integrated companies had it very different and they looked way easier
Straight cap😂💀 I was never integrated with females during my boot camp but when I met the marine females at my school house or during the fleet they couldn’t even hold a pull-up or anytime we would do a company hike all the females would drop out but for the females that did manage to do over 5 pull-ups or stay in during the hikes good on you.
Pffff...😂 miles ahead...riiiight. Back in '00 P.I. the only females I saw was on the range....We had to do a pit working party for all the female rifle range UNQ's 😂
😂😂😂 I joined in 06 and same, females only at the range, my best friend and I joined on the buddy program and were the only 2 to shoot expert in the whole platoon😂 Sdi made us sit in front of the plt and eat whopper cheese burgers as promised to all recruits who shot expert.
She seriously needs to join the “🧢in Hall of Fame” because she’s leaving out a lot of pertinent details that would put everything in perspective as to the real reason why the women were really ahead of the men. REALTALK TRUESTORY 🧢🧢🧢🤫🤫🤫👀👀👀
The reason they were in the front was to set the pace, in boot camp they always put the slow one up front to set the pace of everyone so that nobody falls out, also there packs they where on hikes are lighter
@@valentinabeta2104ost female Marines I worked with in the fleet literally couldn't do 1 pull up. I'm not exaggerating. I don't know why females keep pretending they're stronger than men. It's a scientific fact men are stronger. Not doubting there's badass females out there. But just generally speaking, most female Marines would always slow down the men in training and especially on deployments, that's just a fact.
In our company we had a sister platoon. No pt with them, barely any integration. We only saw them when we were formed up in the morning and let me tell you, never have I seen a more disrespectful and undisciplined group of people in the world. It was crazy that nothing ever changed with them.
@@str8shooter159 In all honesty, if he had been my drill instructor at Fort Polk in 1968 I would have hated his guts. Later, when I was in Vietnam, I realized that the drill sergeants were just doing their jobs and trying their best to prepare us raw recruits for the rigors (both psychological & pbysical) of war. I realized then that I owed those men a profound debt of gratitude. They were just trying to help us to survive in an extremely hostile environment. A much belated THANK YOU to your uncle and the others (Sgt. Willie Sims of D/3/2) for a job well done. It was extremely tough training - but necessary because Fort Polk sent more soldiers to Vietnam than any other training facility. THIS WE'LL DEFEND 🇺🇸
Well the thing is tho they lowered the standards for women to train with the men and while each man is carrying a 140+ lbs of extra shit they were all probably walking with your basic 40lb pack and rifle 😂
That never happened. OCS and TBS have been integrated for years and the DIs always thought the companies with female platoons were the easier ones to run because the humps were slower. It’s physics.
Cap, I have worked with loads of female marines, and have met one that could keep up, and she was still average compared to the rest of us( she was built like a dude tho) I’m a infantry machinegunner 0331, rah
Reminds me of an article that said men are better at sprints and running fast but women are better at staying at the same pace longer something to do with it being more necessary for women to be able to walk longer distances because of pregnancy and survival and men being better at sprints because of hunting and other reasons i kinda forgot what the article said but its interesting
I can tell you from experience hiking (staying at the same pace for long distances) with women marines, that cannot be true. Every hike I did with women marines, there would be multiple that would fall out with next to none for the men.
@@Latinblood59 I googled it again and though I couldn't find the exact article as last time i got a generated response that was compiled from multiple articles that said: "According to a study of over two million marathon results, women are 18% better at keeping a steady pace than men. Another study found that women are 18.33% better at keeping a consistent pace. Women may also be better at maintaining a steady pace over longer distances. They may be less likely to experience burnout. Mental resilience may also play a role in running over 100 miles. " Perhaps it's just like that when their lives depend on it or maybe it's different with marines or the studies wasn't conducted properly 🤷♀️ I honestly don't know I'm not the one who did the study. You can do your own research on it and compare it to what you experienced in the marines
Either those boys were told to intentionally let the girls get a head start on them, or you’re a liar. There’s no way you trailed them. Especially not you.
I wonder if it was like some of the stories and experiences I had, girls get to ruck without getting smoked for not maintaining proper distance. For example, we did an 8mile ruck with 60lbs. Girls did it with 40. We barely beat them, despite being smoked three times for not maintaining formation. Meanwhile the girls just rucked until everyone finished. No smoke session, no instructor stopping the whole formation and doing mountain climbers while the chubbies and pencil necks caught up.
Why must the women train with the men? What was wrong with the women attending their own bootcamp? I bet the DIs aren't going to be nearly as brutal as they were when it was all male. Time will prove that this kakamamie idea is detrimental to mission readyness and morale. Semper Fi! 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Men will whine about this because it will will eventually eliminate the myths of the past that has held back all of humanity by dividing instead of accepting.
@@MarcoSnipes not you .. the other guy .. it is a weird comment . Probably implying that women either get raped/fucked in the military and are worthless or sumn ..
In all fairness boot camp isn’t any less tough for the females we all go through the same. Difference is men are genetically stronger but it was still equally hard for both
No, guys, I'll tell you this, as a marine myself. When I did boot camp, I was in M Co. (Which, at the time, was the only Co to have only males) For the most part of the training was though and really exhausting, we did not have any privileges or special permission, not a single complement. Then, for medical reasons, I was dropped right in the crucible, and I really had a bad time hating myself for being so weak. I was dropped to N Co. Which is a Mix gender Co. as the vast majority of training companies. I was nervous to fail again, but I was surprised at how easy it was. Female recruits were slow as hell, and for hikes, they were ahead of us because the command let them do it that way so that they wouldn't fall out. It was surprisingly easier than the one in M Co. On hikes, female marines rarely get ahead of males because anatomically, their hips are fragile to take long steps, so they have to chop their steps. She is bullshiting you guys.
A girl only has to do like 7 pull-ups or 53 push-ups to max out those events while men have to do double, nearly triple that amount to even get full points for those events. For men it’s like fucking 20 pull-ups or 87 push-ups
3rd Battelion kilo company 12/December/98. What helped me stay focus was that there was no women in my platoon. The things that could be said and done then made me stronger than I thought I could be than. No disrespect but that hard-core shit made me a MARINE
The guys stopped so they wouldn't pass the women. We had this issue when I was in bootcamp. 4th battalion did the crucible at the same time as we did. On the hump back, we had to stop and march in place so the females could gain distance. We would then catch up and repeat the process. I wish that we could've kept going. The marching in place made things more difficult.
See, this makes sense to why she said what she said. I heard that and was like “ain’t no way that happened” lol. I didn’t see women during my bootcamp other than church on Sundays, so I didn’t deal with this.
Its not that i have anything against women, its just the fact that a drill instructor would never say this and that men have naturally better physical capabilities than women. I'm calling cap on her story.
Not gonna lie, the only thing that changed was that they don’t have their own battalion anymore, we have brother and sister companies that would match up for training events, I was in Delta 1st BN and every mayor event we had November 4th BN with us doing the training, now it’s just the three BNs
Nope. Many recruits develop issues on humps like shin splints, heat exhaustion, heat cramps, and heat stroke. Having sturdier bones and proper hydration/electrolytes helps to avoid issues.
Going 13 weeks without being around females was something that made usmc bootcamp unique in my opinion
I was in the army my boot camp was 15 weeks with no females. 🤨 I was a combat engineer, so it was osut, but it was 15 weeks of bct.
It did make it unique but i think having integrated bootcamps. If the pt standards stay the same will be better for future units. Maybe increase the run distance for pfts to 4.5 miles
@@mrbrianbrush I believe test show that for combat units separation is better.
Don't think it matters for POGs
@@svenvanwier7196 no test shows that
Numerous militaries use women
All the ones bette then america does
They lost to Vietnam
But badisllt it’s like this
Any dude in the military who literally can’t handle being around women
Is clearly not qualified and has no business being in the military
He sucks and fails to meet standard
Bring in women in
As one of the easiest ways to weed out a bunch of the dudes who have no business being in the military and will commit a good half the warcrime
Like if you can’t be trusted not to grape a fellow somdier
Your gonna kill a bunch of kids
And you should be In jail
Not the army
Any somdier who’s like women can’t serve
Should be kicked out
@@svenvanwier7196 yeah femal pt standards being lower in combat MOSs is a slap in the face to our professional warfighting ethos.
Did every thing together but had easier standards
Yeah their packs are lighter because they're smaller, kinda appropriately proportional.
I agree the experiences are vastly different tho
Yeah, no shit. They’re females. If you want them to perform that their best, you need to have a standard that’s appropriate for them.
@@felixuchies4688 except in the infantry you can't have a lighter pack because you still need to haul weapon systems and ammo. The standard weight is the standard weight either you can haul it or you're not an infantryman. Anything lighter means you are sacrificing mission critical gear, ammo, or weapons systems.
@@lait3967 except you are in the military and have a chance of seeing combat, if I was at war I'd want everyone there who passed the standard test and not the "standard" test
A drill instructor would never say that
The only time we ever got praise was when we took drill.
A female drill instructor would
Drill instructor was killing the female Senior DI.. brownie points.
He would if he wanna hit
Shut up bro
No one mentions that on marches, girls get their day packs (30lbs of gear) and guys get their rucks (60-70lbs of gear). This is why they're ahead of the guys, cause they're not exhausted
that's weird because as a female marine i had a ruck packed with the same gear list as males
Idk how it is in the marines, but in basic everyone had to have and do the same shit, no exceptions. Unless you were on a profile or sum
Yes, my sisters whole platoon did basic for the army carrying 50 pounds each sex.
@@LilyH.R. no they did not carry 50 lbs. nice try tho
@@justwatching8357 Did that comment hurt you?
I'm going to call major cap on that
More likely the drill instructions where playing stop and go with the male recruit
@@Brandon579JB they had to be screaming “STOP FIX IT” every five minutes 😂😂😂
Oh no it's true , they make women's standards so low that they can pass even with a broken leg
I mean its probably true because their packs are lighter. Ergo, they dont need to stop.
It’s the same with shorter males being placed in the front so that they set the pace so no one should really get left behind
And then everyone clapped
And she was instantly made a special forces desk warrior🙏🙏 im so glad they make it worse for our men who just joined to kill and be bad ass and are instead given worse instruction to compensate for the useless women who make up a large part of our fighting force🙏🙏🙏 this will definitely not have a lasting and bad effect on our military.
Also frick whoever promotes women just because shes a women and pass up on the guys who actually want a carear.
@@pablo4yu You need to touch grass…
Lmao
Spelled cap wrong
Lmfaooooooooo😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I'll take Shit that never happened for $500 Alex
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Anyone here remember the black female soldier who was raped and killed by her superior officer? Or the female soldier who was domed by her own squad?
@@td5046 Love how no one above answered you…
@@td5046yes that was in 2006 I think. The black female soldier apparently witnessed her superior officer sleeping around whilst in Iraq. Sad that the case unsolved to this day.
I remember a study was done with women's integration into combat roles. There was a platoon of all men, mixed, all women. They were given all standard infantry jobs such as tabbing however many miles, full kit, then carrying out unit attacks etc. The teams were then ranked. All men first, then the mixed team, then the all women. I'm sure there are some top notch female infantry soldiers/marines, as long as they can carry their weight and do their job to the same standards I'm not fussed
I was a combat MOS. When we did cls (combat life saving) almost none of the women were even able to drag me in full kit, I only weigh 165lbs without kit.
So they dropped the standards in the us marines.....shit
Not really. Females have a different standard. And youre not really training with the females at all. I was in an integrated company, and i saw the females marching sometimes and we got gassed together but thats about it. Basic training is a very small and insignificant part of any military career. Especially as combat arms. Your rifle companys are still all male
Yep , women are passing ranger school too 🤣
They get special treatment
@@codyswanson784 thats the point
@@codyswanson784 so the standard is switched for the females you admit. Got it
@Naturally toasty the standard has always been different for females. Until recently females have not been involved in combat roles. The one thing that has not changed is the combat standards. Both males and females must complete the same physical and academic standards. Which is why if you are actually in an infantry company you will very rarely see a female. People who have not served do not understand the difference between basic training. Which every marine goes through including the technical jobs such as cyber or airwing where the physical fitness really doesnt matter. Combat training is very very different. The marine corps infantry is not getting soft, and if you arent actively holding an 03 mos you have no idea what the fuck you're talking about
When I went thru OSUT at Benning in summer 2020, every girl in my troop either failed a “mandatory to pass” PT test or ruck. They all got pushed through for the sake of numbers. Mind you they recycled all the guys that barely didn’t cut it.
Thats facts in scouts they all got passed, or had hip fractures
Stupid, don’t you mean Fort Moore. Lol still can’t believe they changed the name
I went through in 2002. There were so many guys that didn't make it they had to make a whole new platoon of drop outs and recycles.
Dont care, thats the army.
Most of the females at MCT also got pushed through.
I went to west coast for boot and we had a female platoon. They most definitely got it easier
Females in camp Pendleton? Since when
@@lonnieknight9187I’m army not marines but isn’t it that anyone west of the Mississippi goes there? Could be wrong since I am a soldier and not a marine.
@@Yochillbruh0hthey have just made changes (as this Marine references) so I'm not clear on new policies, but previously, ALL female Marines were trained at Parris Island.
They put the slow hikers in the front, lol dumb wook
🤣🤣🤣
Not wook! 😂
Yea ask her about the standards.... I wanna hear the lies
she still cant do more pushups than me
I bet she can
@@mountainmangaming808 easy standards pal
@@mountainmangaming808 yet they and females in school too they get less cuz there weaker it's just factual. We are stronger so we get worse I think it's bs and they should just pick a number on between and stick with it and not have such a huge gap I remember looking at the requirements and it was just like why??? Why? Why? I get we are bigger but holy fucking shit.
@@mountainmangaming808 how much do you wanna bet?
@@jash2091 i bet my life.
So I was actually a part of that cycle. I was Plt 2001, and the girls were Plt 2000, so I lived on the deck on top of theirs. The only reason that the girls were at the front was so they could set the pace. All the platoons were the same distance from each other as any other company on a hike. Some females arrived at the barracks without their packs. Didn't see that from any guys.
She said she was the first integrated Oscar company on Paris island? If so, that was my company. I was 4015, she would have been 4019.
@@virgiecarter4493 She said she was with the first integration of Hotel, 2nd Battalion
@@alexpiggford2757 yeah, I noticed that as soon as I hit send, then my phone wouldn't load so I couldn't delete it
I remember about 6-7 years ago I went through basic warrior week with females. We were dragging ammo cans in the prone under some barbed wire and some female recruit grabbed my ankle to get some leverage, I look back to confirm this and I used that wooks helmet like a step stool and kept goin 😂.
Hahaha 😂😂😂
😂fuckin legend😂
Adapt n overcome !!! Good job 👏 👍 Leather neck..ooo rah. Semper FI muh-fukka.
I'm dead af
You should be court martialled. I never thought id see a man LITERALLY using a fellow marine as a stepping stone. This is just the definition of toxic masculinity and IT IS NOT OK.
I remember females training in cali with us at MCT. They weren't used to the cali heat and hills that we had. I remember going up hills with most females holding the male's packs for support. We didnt complain and were happy to help. But our sergeants weren't having it.
That was kind of you to help! A lot of dickheads would’ve just made fun of them.
Wanna be Marine. That’s you
@@zipper978 what makes you say that
As a recently prior drill instructor. That story is cap,
You walk as a company and you have to stop for mandatory break’s regardless of who you are. Your whole team can be fired and disciplined if something happened and they found out you didnt stop. In the case of ssgt smiley, a kid dies, and now hes facing jail time
Army, when we did our ruck march and shoot there were only about 2 or 3 females who didn't lag behind, me and a couple other guys fell back to try and get all the females to keep going and to not stop because all of them were crying so much during the ruck... It was only 4 or 5 miles full kit😶
There's a standard for a reason, it should be the same regardless of sex, if you can't meet it, you can't join
We can't have exceptions just because they aren't strong enough to keep up, giving them lighter standards will be dangerous not just for them, but others around them
We would either have no female marines, or weak male marines.
Yet the standard changes depending on age. A 30 year old marine does not have to run as fast as an 18 year old, and must do more pushups. Both still have the same combat expectation. Almost like the standards are based on what we can reasonably expect from a person. Forcing women to meet a standard they physically can't would effectively bar many from service. That's fewer bodies that can fight for our country. Would you rather 50 men or 50 men + 50 women? But I know what you'll say. Because this isn't about standards, it's misogyny.
Girls scream gender pay gap(which is phony and been debunked). Well, how about gender you didnt pull your weight gap?
@@virgiecarter4493there is some truth in there. Best way to tell is the discrepancies between age requirements and sex requirements.
I’m only familiar with the Army one and it’s not easy to differentiate it.
At the end of the day if a person can do the required and realist basics (being able to drag a body, climb a fence, etc.), so be it.
@@virgiecarter4493it should be MOS dependent. There were many guys and girls who didn’t meet standards when I was in active duty and we were a combat MOS. The standards are hard to fail in my opinion. However, I will say if your MOS is working on a desk then okay different standards seems reasonable. I was a combat MOS and we got on both men and women who couldn’t meet the standards because they were a danger to us. You also have to consider other aspects of training as more important than the PT test. For example, CLS. Most men were able to easily carry me during that training, and I only weigh 165lbs. Almost all women couldn’t even drag me.
I just knew the comments were gunna be a bunch of dudes with 12 minute mile times shitting on her lol.
Aww here comes femcel.
“they just stopped and we didn’t” yeah because they were doing push ups with their rucks on while you were leisurely walking with your day back
Yeah no way in hell were the males falling behind exhausted while the females were chilling ahead lmao
😂 they gave them a head start they do that all the time because they don't want to demoralize the females 😂 and when the guys catch up they force them to stop 😂
Damn that’s really sad💀
They should walk side by side to boost each other moral.
Hell march (24km and above)are not timed in Singapore.
Never needed females and males to train together in boot camp. Always needed respect and dignity in the fleet.
The female platoon is usually up in the front when hiking. We have the same weight, but they usually have a few of them fall out by the end of every hike. PT standards are different, but not by much, that's it. Give these women the respect they deserve. They are part of the few and the proud.
They need to earn and keep their worth
Thank you. Most of these comments are repulsive.
I went to bootcamp at Paris Island on FEB 23 2020. I was 2nd BN H CO plt 2034. We had a sister platoon, 2036. The first in H CO history. We all did the same training but the females did theirs separately at their own pace. Those female DI’s are ruthless😂😂
I've seen integrated training companies for the infantry and none of the females could actually pass the standard for infantrymen, especially on hikes. In the infantry you either haul all your gear, ammo, and weapons systems or you're not in the infantry doesn't matter the sex. The mission is the mission and needs to be done to and above the standard or else you're sacrificing mission critical gear, or sacrificing other guys lives because they have to haul extra weight and gear that others are incapable of carrying.
There shouldn't be a male or female boot camp. There should only be ONE with the same standards. I approve of this video
Siiiiiiiiimp.
I bet you never went yourself did you? I did.
The ladies didn’t keep up.
No they need to put Parris Island back the way it was and females need to be trained in San Diego. Parris Island is male only and this side of the Mississippi at that
They put the females in the front to create the pace of the hike. Putting the slowest in the front per usual…
I’ll take $500 for shit that never happened Alex
even if it did, the men carried 60-70lb bags, while the females carried 30lb bags lol, and good chance the men got beasted the entire time stopping, going etc
To any woman in this comment section who wants to go into the Marines or any branch of the military, ignore some of these comments, you can fight for this country wonderfully.
Of course she can, but she wont be taken seriously, and deep down you know why.
Someone needs to do the paperwork. Or our laundry I guess...other than that female marines are useless. Known many and all were trash...luckily I was in a recon b.n and didn't have to deal with them nasty wooks on the daily.
@@PentaRausmisogyny, right?
Simp
Opha Mae Johnson was the start of the downfall of the Marine Corps
Lowering the standards is motivation now guys
Glad somebody else said it
Passing the old army pt test I believe was 12 push ups for female and 42 for males. That’s all you need to know
Wtf 😂 as a woman, this sounds ridiculous to me. I understand that men are genetically stronger than women, but anyone should be able to easily do at least 20 push-ups with not much training.
Most of the females fell out of the first hike in MCT at Pendleton bruh and it was only a 5k
Facts
So we’re not gonna talk about how much slack they’re given compared to the men?In the spirit of equality, everyone should have the same standards to meet.
RIP Marine Corps. The army couldn’t kill you, but DIE did.
I remember MCT. I remember the ladies couldn’t handle the load they had to Cary because it really messed with their hips.
The guys were behind to get a better view
When I went through in 2018 we were the first company to dip our toe into “integrated training”. We didn’t do anything together per se but we’d do some of the things at the same time as them but segregated completely, except for the hike (I believe it was either a 7 or 10k). We had about 1 female for each 3 male recruits and after the first hour it had completely failed and separated into males about 1k ahead of the females. The issue was there was a news reporter who was going to take a picture at the end of the hike, so we had to slow down for the last click or so in order for them to catch back up and reintegrate. One of the biggest horse and pony shows I’ve seen in the Marines.
Sounds like this time in fire academy when we were doing an air consumption test and the person with the most time on air was the one girl in the class. which for those that don’t know is you see how much time you have on a single air tank while doing basically a circuit workout but every thing is firefighting related chopping a power pole laying on the ground with an ax, simulating hose pulls by dragging tires on a rope, flipping tractor tires, hitting tires with sledge hammers,climbing stairs with a high rise pack, etc.. all in full gear on air. The instructors were fucking with us because come to find out my company commander was right there when she did her test and she went through one full rotation and when she got back to chopping a power pole for 3 minutes which is what you start out on she couldn’t even pick up the ax, so they let her just walk around until she ran out of air while the men got to actually keep doing the air consumption test. Another giant coincidence is when you look around the class room of other graduating classes, there is always one woman in the graduating class.
We started out with four women and graduated with one. Might be a coincidence or it might be they give women special treatment. 3 of the girls failed written test which if you ask me seems like the one thing they should’ve actually been good at. Almost like they failed on purpose because it was too physically demanding. 🤔😂
I am so concerned for the future of America it’s sickening….
It's become universal in a lot countries, it's not just the US that's implementing females into combat roles, or the military in general, most countries implement females fully into combat, and support roles.
I understand the universal trend. But integrating male and females is just incorporating problems. Did the Spartans go into battle with their woman. Nope. Why would my beloved Marine Corps. That’s weakening the quality of future Marines…
In the army, when you have to ruck back from Vic Forge. The females quite literally couldn’t keep up. Every single one of them feel behind the whole company, and the van would just drive them to the front and drop them off. That happened like 3 times that I can remember, it’s bullshit in my opinion
Yup and they cried all the way
@@Suckondeese yeah, and my tall ass was in back breathing all the dirt and bullshit and had to tough it out
I was in an all male company and at the time there were few integrated companies. The integrated companies had it very different and they looked way easier
You aren’t a real marine
@@zipper978 i mean ok. Dont see how not. More of a marine than any pog
@@the_mexican_pyro you were in the new soft Corps.
@Feature0311 Cool story pog
This will be a fatal mistake…
Didn’t they teach you to wear your caps in Basic?
Pet peeve of mine. Also saluting indoors or saluting without a cover
not during PT events, considering they’re at the football field on camp pendleton in this video
Straight cap😂💀 I was never integrated with females during my boot camp but when I met the marine females at my school house or during the fleet they couldn’t even hold a pull-up or anytime we would do a company hike all the females would drop out but for the females that did manage to do over 5 pull-ups or stay in during the hikes good on you.
Met her during land nav, she’s a super awesome person and marine rah hotel company
She's saying that male Marines are soft.. she thinks that she's a hardass
Just another nail in the coffin of the Corps . They have pussifed it so much that even a man in his 50s could go through it
FIRST MARINE TO FALL OUT OF A HIKE
"OPHA MAY JOHNSON, 1918 SIR!!!!"
She is nowhere as physically competent as a man
No, but the point is that they were mentally.
@@soulren394no they weren't and aren't. They didn't go through nearly as much as the male Marines I promise
So now that they do everything together do the males get to hang on the bar instead of pull ups?
😂
Imagine not taking a break before you walk up on the enemy
This is why you can’t miss leg day
Pffff...😂 miles ahead...riiiight. Back in '00 P.I. the only females I saw was on the range....We had to do a pit working party for all the female rifle range UNQ's 😂
😂😂😂 I joined in 06 and same,
females only at the range, my best friend and I joined on the buddy program and were the only 2 to shoot expert in the whole platoon😂 Sdi made us sit in front of the plt and eat whopper cheese burgers as promised to all recruits who shot expert.
3rd btn plt 3084 fs
The standards will drop, watch....
She seriously needs to join the “🧢in Hall of Fame” because she’s leaving out a lot of pertinent details that would put everything in perspective as to the real reason why the women were really ahead of the men. REALTALK TRUESTORY 🧢🧢🧢🤫🤫🤫👀👀👀
The reason they were in the front was to set the pace, in boot camp they always put the slow one up front to set the pace of everyone so that nobody falls out, also there packs they where on hikes are lighter
That's all great, but they still lowered the requirements just so she could pass. Had they held her to equal standards, she wouldn't be a Marine.
if you’re talking pft I can pass all of the male requirements and exceed them and Im sure a lot of women can too
@@valentinabeta2104ost female Marines I worked with in the fleet literally couldn't do 1 pull up. I'm not exaggerating. I don't know why females keep pretending they're stronger than men. It's a scientific fact men are stronger. Not doubting there's badass females out there. But just generally speaking, most female Marines would always slow down the men in training and especially on deployments, that's just a fact.
Girl push ups are different from normal push-ups
No, they just have less to do as a minimum
@@jamesparker7528yah like this death march lol females carrying 50% less then men
They don't allow those
I was with Hotel Company, the last iteration to be non integrated. Glad to have not had it integrated honestly
You guys really showed your true colors in these comments damn. To every woman who has served, thank you for your service.
In our company we had a sister platoon. No pt with them, barely any integration. We only saw them when we were formed up in the morning and let me tell you, never have I seen a more disrespectful and undisciplined group of people in the world. It was crazy that nothing ever changed with them.
Hmmmmm....
I sure wish that I had girls in my company when I did basic training at Fort Polk (Tigerland), Louisiana in 1968.
My uncle was a drill sargent at Fort Polk in 1968. His name was Alvin Johnson.
@@str8shooter159
In all honesty, if he had been my drill instructor at Fort Polk in 1968 I would have hated his guts.
Later, when I was in Vietnam, I realized that the drill sergeants were just doing their jobs and trying their best to prepare us raw recruits for the rigors (both psychological & pbysical) of war.
I realized then that I owed those men a profound debt of gratitude. They were just trying to help us to survive in an extremely hostile environment.
A much belated THANK YOU to your uncle and the others (Sgt. Willie Sims of D/3/2) for a job well done.
It was extremely tough training - but necessary because Fort Polk sent more soldiers to Vietnam than any other training facility.
THIS WE'LL DEFEND
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Well the thing is tho they lowered the standards for women to train with the men and while each man is carrying a 140+ lbs of extra shit they were all probably walking with your basic 40lb pack and rifle 😂
That never happened. OCS and TBS have been integrated for years and the DIs always thought the companies with female platoons were the easier ones to run because the humps were slower. It’s physics.
Cap, I have worked with loads of female marines, and have met one that could keep up, and she was still average compared to the rest of us( she was built like a dude tho) I’m a infantry machinegunner 0331, rah
She definitely got passed around. At least 30-40 bodies
Digital footprint man, digital footprint.
i would hope to be the next
Incel
You’re lying. Real number is 50. I was there. Even the drill instructors was tapping it
Is it possible for a man to look at a women without thinking about how many times shes been fucked?
Reminds me of an article that said men are better at sprints and running fast but women are better at staying at the same pace longer something to do with it being more necessary for women to be able to walk longer distances because of pregnancy and survival and men being better at sprints because of hunting and other reasons i kinda forgot what the article said but its interesting
I can tell you from experience hiking (staying at the same pace for long distances) with women marines, that cannot be true. Every hike I did with women marines, there would be multiple that would fall out with next to none for the men.
@@Latinblood59 I googled it again and though I couldn't find the exact article as last time i got a generated response that was compiled from multiple articles that said: "According to a study of over two million marathon results, women are 18% better at keeping a steady pace than men. Another study found that women are 18.33% better at keeping a consistent pace.
Women may also be better at maintaining a steady pace over longer distances. They may be less likely to experience burnout. Mental resilience may also play a role in running over 100 miles. " Perhaps it's just like that when their lives depend on it or maybe it's different with marines or the studies wasn't conducted properly 🤷♀️ I honestly don't know I'm not the one who did the study. You can do your own research on it and compare it to what you experienced in the marines
It’s the same in the Army. Men and Women train together. Only thing not together is the barracks room(s) you all sleep in.
Why tf are we not wearing our covers outside?
Standards dropped smh.
Either those boys were told to intentionally let the girls get a head start on them, or you’re a liar. There’s no way you trailed them. Especially not you.
Yeah for sure 😂
I wonder if it was like some of the stories and experiences I had, girls get to ruck without getting smoked for not maintaining proper distance. For example, we did an 8mile ruck with 60lbs. Girls did it with 40. We barely beat them, despite being smoked three times for not maintaining formation. Meanwhile the girls just rucked until everyone finished. No smoke session, no instructor stopping the whole formation and doing mountain climbers while the chubbies and pencil necks caught up.
I am smashing the doubt button right now. If it happened then they weren't carrying any gear
Integration is a disgrace
Hah. You asshurt?
Why must the women train with the men? What was wrong with the women attending their own bootcamp? I bet the DIs aren't going to be nearly as brutal as they were when it was all male. Time will prove that this kakamamie idea is detrimental to mission readyness and morale. Semper Fi! 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Men will whine about this because it will will eventually eliminate the myths of the past that has held back all of humanity by dividing instead of accepting.
Just like The Tortoise and The Hare. The tortoise stuck to the job until it was done.
Yeah she’s not telling the truth there bud
@@GeneralRubicon And you know this because…
I don ' t think lieing is good i was alwas told not to.
We train with males but we have lower requirements because we are female, one day the requirements will be exactly the same, such as pull-ups.
Pure cap.
I honestly couldn’t agree with you more!lol,smfh REALTALK TRUESTORY 😅😅😅😂😂😂👊🏽👊🏽👊🏽🚀🚀🚀🚀🚀
yall will say and do anything to downplay women in the military, but i don't see any of you enlisting yourselves.
30" to the left...together...the mold still builds champions..
We got pregnant immediately.... Part of female training
What?
@@MarcoSnipesignore lol. Probably some incel who doesn't understand how military actually works anyways 😂
@@nobitanobi3475 me or the other guy
@@MarcoSnipes not you .. the other guy .. it is a weird comment . Probably implying that women either get raped/fucked in the military and are worthless or sumn ..
Similar to female fire fighters. If they don’t have strength to hoist a big, injured person out of danger, why are they taking up space??
In all fairness boot camp isn’t any less tough for the females we all go through the same. Difference is men are genetically stronger but it was still equally hard for both
It’s so much easier to be at the front of the march, they didn’t see all gaps they were creating behind them
No, guys, I'll tell you this, as a marine myself. When I did boot camp, I was in M Co. (Which, at the time, was the only Co to have only males) For the most part of the training was though and really exhausting, we did not have any privileges or special permission, not a single complement. Then, for medical reasons, I was dropped right in the crucible, and I really had a bad time hating myself for being so weak. I was dropped to N Co. Which is a Mix gender Co. as the vast majority of training companies. I was nervous to fail again, but I was surprised at how easy it was. Female recruits were slow as hell, and for hikes, they were ahead of us because the command let them do it that way so that they wouldn't fall out. It was surprisingly easier than the one in M Co. On hikes, female marines rarely get ahead of males because anatomically, their hips are fragile to take long steps, so they have to chop their steps. She is bullshiting you guys.
Case of the men working smarter not harder
Do your thing. No hate. I am proud of my service. It was different in my day. Y’all will have your fights, y’all will have your time in the sun.
I was 1st integration of MC bootcamp at Parris island. They kept the female's up front because they were slower.
male and female marines should not be integrated and training together. that’s a no from me dawg.
A girl only has to do like 7 pull-ups or 53 push-ups to max out those events while men have to do double, nearly triple that amount to even get full points for those events. For men it’s like fucking 20 pull-ups or 87 push-ups
3rd Battelion kilo company 12/December/98. What helped me stay focus was that there was no women in my platoon. The things that could be said and done then made me stronger than I thought I could be than. No disrespect but that hard-core shit made me a MARINE
The guys stopped so they wouldn't pass the women. We had this issue when I was in bootcamp. 4th battalion did the crucible at the same time as we did. On the hump back, we had to stop and march in place so the females could gain distance. We would then catch up and repeat the process. I wish that we could've kept going. The marching in place made things more difficult.
See, this makes sense to why she said what she said. I heard that and was like “ain’t no way that happened” lol. I didn’t see women during my bootcamp other than church on Sundays, so I didn’t deal with this.
The most scariest thing that im deadly scared of:
Marine female
Its not that i have anything against women, its just the fact that a drill instructor would never say this and that men have naturally better physical capabilities than women. I'm calling cap on her story.
Yes but the male rucksack is heavier.... plus female standards are different than men
Not gonna lie, the only thing that changed was that they don’t have their own battalion anymore, we have brother and sister companies that would match up for training events, I was in Delta 1st BN and every mayor event we had November 4th BN with us doing the training, now it’s just the three BNs
Women have a high pain tolerance i would assume over distance thats more valuable than muscle mass/ bone density
Nope. Many recruits develop issues on humps like shin splints, heat exhaustion, heat cramps, and heat stroke.
Having sturdier bones and proper hydration/electrolytes helps to avoid issues.