Yeah, because they all suck as players xD I remember a video from Holinka back in the day and he was keyboard turning while showing off some new arena or something.
@@nottomclancy2439 There's 3 blizz devs that I know of that are current/last season gladiators and have multiple glad titles. Of the ones I know, there's a feral druid, a ret paladin and a disc priest - I'm sure there's more.
@@dualmouseman i mean 3 out of what? Couple hundred devs? is not really alot. And is basically non-impactful, aka, blizz devs still dont play or just flat out suck at PvP, making it very hard to balance in both a fun and competetive way
DE: Cast on the move, can't be slowed, top damage and slows up to 80% (lasts up to 3 secs), sometimes up to 3 targets. SP: stand still with almost no mobility (and can be slowed at any point), slow 1 target with MF up to 50% (doing 0 damage) or sometimes with MFi up to only 70% (for 1,5 secs) Balance of all things
Blizzard keeps telling us that balance isn't possible and then you look at this garbage. I bet it is possible to at least make it SOMEWHAT PLAYABLE lol... DOGSHIT GAME.
As an SP main, its an annoyance. Everything rn has so much mobility, and yea priests do have stuff... but if we are slowed at all we cant move lol. It pains me so much, it didnt feel as bad till now
We heard your voices loud and clear, so we added a text line to the hero talent which states it restores 2 charge now, bug fixed, also evoker gets 10% dmg buff to compensate the long text
(Dev's note) we realize this has probably been very frustrating for evoker players, so we decided to add 30 days of game time to the account of any player with over 100 hours of play time on an evoker. Hugs and kisses!
As a DK, I can pretty much erase someone else's mobility. But I cant touch evoker. They get hover and it makes them completely immune to snare or deathgrip and it never seems to end. What is up with that?
Bro I hadnt played dragonflight and used to play dk before. Q'd into these dragons and was baffled by wtf was going on. DK's whole spiel is disrupting enemy movement but their immunity to that stuff feels like it never ends.
@@ilrichard im an afflock. I like seeing DK's suffer. Im not concerned about my matchup with other ranged classes. You spend the first 30 seconds completely unkiteable, completely immune to all of my damage, and inescapable with 200000 grips. its nice to see you suffer cause you have NO IDEA how frustrating it is to have a DK just ZUG across the arena @ you right from the opening bell, and be unable to do anything about it. 20 seconds of AMS from DK and horsemen, blanket silence on 45 second cd, anti magic zone, low cd interrupts, pet stun, ranged 70% snare, frost disorient and stun, and if you manage bysome miracl to get distance, its just an instant grip back. And while this is all happening, massive damage is being dropped into your face. You have no fucking idea how oppressive you are to DoT based casters, it literally makes the game unplayable. Cant CC you, cant out damage you, cant run from you.
truth be told, as much as i hate the garbage that is evokers and fmages brainless playstyle right now, the fact two casters can piss of melee is very much deserved right now considering literally every single other caster(except for ele shaman/arc mage perhaps) in the entire game right now has to sit and tank melee dmg because every melee has 5-6 gap closers vs. 1 (2 at most) escapes.
No that's not the issue it's the fact he has infinite mobility with cast while moving and 90% snare during his big cast. Otherwise your bad idea would make the class worthless in pvp but you'll say good because you don't really care about the game being healthy you just want to win all the time. Actual loser mentality
@@joeym3147 lol you sounds mad. Its a bug thats been in the game since vanilla. Blizz just doesn't know how to fix it. If you cant cast through a pillar why should we be able to channel through it? Might as well just remove pillars right?
@@ogChaaka it's not a bug lol its very easy to fix you add the conditional of obstruction or not. You just don't like how it works which is fine but you're an idiot for how you express it
Thank god you posted about this Ven. fighting dev/unholy has been a nightmare, even as a feral. If a FERAL of all specs can't keep up with someone what the fuck is going on.
I find it crazy that hunter, the class that should have thee most mobility out of all the classes, has the least. Everyone has 2-3 gap closers now but hunter still has one disengage. I’ve played hunter for years and just to beat a warrior now is a struggle with 2 charges a leap, roots etc
That and the fact he is a caster who literally do not cast. Its just instant orb into instant Ice lance and instant flurry and then you are dead. Flawless design from Blizz POV for sure.
I know fury does stupid damage, but playing with my rsham friend against hunters, prevokers and mages feels really, really bad. I dont know how they can leave the game in this state tbh
I think the game is back to a bit of rock paper scisors, I'm playing mage, evoker and shadow priest, and for example on the mage you can literally shit on most melees , but fighting a hunter or warlock feels miserable.
Dueling warriors as evoker felt so broken in pre patch. On aug they literally cannot catch you, having shroud and the anti kick pvp talent is just way too strong. Two of the best pvp talents in the game on the same class. Dumb.
@@hissoka3138 as a warlock. fighting most melee's feels miserable. ESPECIALLY DK's and warriors. Dk's its fucking ridiculous. like 20 seconds of AMS, 10000 grips, stuns, ranged 70% snare, blanket silence, interupts, an anti magic zone, and HUGE damage. Like, u get gripped, and literally cannot do anything but port and run for almost a full fucking minute, meanwhile he is bashing ur face in
@@estebanslavidastic4382and you can’t even run, bc you’re too snared. And if you port away, he will grip you back. And if you use your other port, he’ll grip right again. And you can’t really cast into his spamming damage and 1000 pets. And he’s always immune to your damage and CC. Dumb class that even the most mobile classes can’t scape
Why don't snares have DR? It's actually wild. Also in PvP you shouldn't be able to be reduced below 50% movement speed. They should add a PvP embellishment/gem to make that 75%. This is why PvP participation plummets because stuff like this goes live and Blizz doesn't fix it immediately. Many melee players don't reroll they just unsub when they can't play. PS - Evokers were a mistake. Just bad for the game.
The issue with the state of PvP right now, in my opinion, is that way too many abilities have built in CC outside of their intended button press. And most of the slows are so radical that it's down to a crawl, and if it was anymore of a slow it would technically be considered a root. I play Arms Warrior (and I'm not trying to sound elitist about my class choice, just making a point now), and if I want to slow someone it is a button I press that is specifically designed to slow them. It costs me that global cooldown to slow them. If I play, virtually any other class almost, the slow effect is built-in to 50% of my damage abilities, and slow as much as Hamstring or more. It makes me thing of this hero talent, that Slayer has, which causes charge to remove snares (with a cooldown before it can happen again). I tried playing with it. I am not lying when I tell you that within half a second of charging, I was slowed again. There is too much passive effects and non-conscious effects going on that almost makes any player seem like they know what they're doing -- in the example of an Invoker having 3 buttons to press to avoid/slow/CC the Warrior, for every 1 button the Warrior has to gap close. I realize all classes have their matchups that reminds people of rock/paper/scissor, and I'm keeping that in mind. What I experience as a Warrior into Devastation, Frost Mage, Hunter, might be equally as bad as what a Mage experience into a Hunter or a Warlock, but my point still stands on the general scope of how the design intent is behind abilities and their effects. If every, or close to every, slow effect had to be a conscious choice and not a side-effect of your DPS rotation, it would loosen up the global cooldown game and also reduce how massively explosive games can be, and people would be more conscious about their spell usage, positioning and so much else. It's a silly meta that's evolving, and I honestly don't see Blizzard making such radical changes to circumvent it, so at this point it's just a matter of living with it.
Hi, hunter here, I thought I'd mention this since you lumped us in with mage and deva, none of the hunter dps button have a slow connected to them. On top of that for our own mobility we only have a disengage and a 3min aspect of cheetah xD. Not saying hunter is weak btw just tired of the warr tears when you're playing one of the most oppressive classes that can stick on top of pretty much any range except devoker and obviously that normal and fine by you. Ask any other ranged how fun it for them to not be able to cast a single thing nor kite you all game.
@@dualmouseman it was never intended to be a class balance issue. It's much more a design discussion. You're right, Hunters are not as mobile as the others mentioned. Mages, Evokers, and even Warlocks to an extent, do not have issues with Warriors sticking to them. But again, it's not about that, like my post said as well, it can feel a lot like rock, paper, scissors. What you say about Hunters just speaks to my point. You consciously slow if that is your desired effect. Much like Warriors with Hamstring. Rogues auto slow, Mages auto slow, Druids auto slow, Evokers auto slow etc. And by auto slow I mean just by doing a DPS rotation they are also crowd controlling. Might as well bring mace spec back then.
@@Digirave Yeah tbh I do agree with you though, "auto slow" as you put it does suck and adds nothing meaningful or interesting to the gameplay, just annoyance ;p
@@dualmouseman good thing disengage removes all snares. There’s also masters call which removes and makes you immune to them. Stealth, scatter shot, 2 stuns, freezing trap, 2 defensive walls that also heal, insane dmg with enough range to avoid anyone that can be executed from Camo, tar trap that also roots, feign death, oh and one of the highest dmg abilities in the game rapid fire can be channeled through a pillar plus turtle plus another wall with pet sac plus exhil heal which also gives another wall lmao hunters are busted rn. People just think they are busted in solo shuffle they should try them in BGs or open world. There’s also bursting shot or high explosive trap for the memes of knocking people off cliffs 😂 Ngl Hunter has been shit in arena for awhile mostly but they shouldn’t be tanky, super high dmg, mobile and ranged dps that can’t be interrupted all at once. Gotta have some weakness. Its just as miserable trying to fight a hunter (good ones not all the fotm rerolls that fall over dead and only know how to do their burst rotation)
You have no idea how much relief I got seeing this video. I legit rage quit yesterday in solo shuffle against evokers. As a warrior it’s impossible lol.
Best part is, blizz will likely see complaints about this. Their way of fixing it will be: Oh looks like monks can't catch up to the dragons huh, let's give monks a little bit more mobility to conquer this issue - which then leads to the issue that monks has too much mobility for other ranged classes. So what do they do? well now they have to give them even more mobility/teleports/slows. This is on repeat and soon we're all gonna be flying spaceships in the arena (Except for warlocks though they forgot their mobility in MOP) But hey! soon we can all be dragons doublejumping as all classes so that's cool!
I tried enh yesterday all excited for the buffs, got kited across the whole BG by an undergeared dev evoker. I literally couldnt catch him.... Went back to my lock ASAP 😭
Yep, the buffs seem fun at first, and then you realise you just can't even touch anyone. Not even touch them, you can't even move half the time. Standing still waiting to die. That's what Enhance feels like.
Putting DR on slows would make this class harder to catch, they need to accept that adding this class is a massive mistake and remove it or rework the fuck out of it.
Doing my 1600 grind in blitz on my ww monk felt like I was slowed or rooted constantly, tigers lust would remove a root every 30 seconds but god damn using it and then getting rooted immediately after you just got out of a root is so infuriating.
Remember that blizzard removed cast and run lightning bolt, and KJC which actually slowed the warlock while move-casting. Yet they'll go and add stuff like this lol
To add insult to injury, I also play Recall talent, which allows me teleport to my original location once I finish Deep Breath. It is especially nasty in BGs.
Ive been away from retail for about 2 years, thought id give tww a try but after seeing this I think ill pass. Ty for posting this. You just saved me 80 euros.
Everyone just about frost mages, but U all forgot when FIREmages could basically stun lock someone without end with the right talent setup and fitting gear --- it was so fun to be able to destroy max lvl melees while I was levels below xD
Evokers are literally just demon hunters but casters… I still remember when DHs first came out. You couldn’t kite them but they could kite you forever + they have blur. I miss the days when kiting mechanics actually required brain powwr
I main a Fury Warrior. Played a solo shuffle the other day against Dev Evoker, MM Hunter, Frost Mage. I basically just sat in roots or slow walked to my target 90% of the game.
I got a solo shuffle with two devastation evokers, a frost mage and a marksman hunter as a wind walker monk I legit could not play the game. I’m glad I’m not the only one who thought this was insane!
Frost Mage is nothing like as busted as Dev. At least with Mage, you know it's 2 blocks, you know it's 4 or 5 blinks depending on the Alter Time useage. You know what the burst looks like, and how to avoid it. With Dev, nothing seems real. Nothing seems coordinated, burst is just the same spell but with a proc and some modifiers, and the stupid mobility literally never ends.
The issue is deep breath resets the CD on Hover. As someone whos been melee all expansion I find Frost Mage far worse than Dev Evoker but sticking to them is pretty hard.
Warriors literally can’t touch frost mages, evokers, or hunters meaning 25% of the classes they don’t have a fighting chance. But better nerf warriors some more. It’s oppressive when you literally can’t play the game and you’re stuck getting f@$ked the whole time. Warrior damage should be high because when one finally connects after 5 minutes of waddling around then it needs to make an impact.
Warriors smash everyone's face in and have a multitude of tools to get in range to smash face and stay there. The odd time you do manage to make some distance, they have defensives till they can get back in range to smash faces again. Seems like a skill issue to me.
How is a warrior stuck the whole time go read some tooltips dude and learn your spec what is probably fury faceroll spec 99% of being a good player is learn your class
Since you guys know how to play warrior then how do you fight something like frost mage or dev evoker in 3s and not get kiting and not die. Your always out of mobility, your always snared, both casters peel each other, you offer no cleave damage compared to everything else.
I'm a newish player, and I made my character as an evoker, tried battleground pvp for the first time this week & I feel like i'm doing something disgusting but as I've got no proper experience with other classes I can't say if it's op or not,. just feels wrong somehow '^^. "I did play a lot during vanilla-tbc., & returned very briefly for 2-3weeks during shadowlands . so technically not new but it was such a long time ago"
How you feel in this video is how a lot of PvP players have felt for years. Like why am I playing this. I did skip SL and DF and giving TWW a try but again Blizz... what are you doing??!!
The evoker archetype fits we've always had dragonkin type humanoids, but these abilities and powers just don't belong in wow. Evoker on all specs is an absolute monster. S tier every spec. Beyond outplaying if they have a brain.
bruv lol WHAT!? CoE lasts 12 seconds in pvp, its dispellable or removeable by like, almost every class, and its only a 50% snare unless you amplify curse which has a 1 minute cooldown.
I love fury war soo much but this exact video shows why i m thinking of making an mm hunter...frost mages aswell holy fck...might aswell just leave the arena...i was hyped to pump ww monk next to fury but it has the same exact issue soo no point 😅
When I play preservation evoker I feel as though I get CC'd so much more than when I play on my disc priest even when I play devastation evoker same situation more than when I'm on my warlock and warlock is the one class you don't won't to let be free casting.
I can confirm as a melee main (ret, fury, dk) playing against evok feels like you are playing against a character from a different game. It’s completely impossible to track everything they do and catching them in cc for cleave is basically impossible.
Warrior tried to leave the game, but you got him with a 90% snare.
this video definitely made me realize i will not be playing 2v2s this season, thanks for saving me the pain Ven
its fun, just dont play w heals unless youre feral, udk, afflock
Same. I’m saving myself the agony and frustration and I just won’t be playing.
2s should never be taken seriously
@@cloud3997 apparently neither should your opinions 🤷🏼♂️
Bros passing out 90% snares like he’s Oprah
Wow pvp is so fun!
90% Snare… 90% Snare… 90% Snare… 90% Snare… 90% Snare…
so true pal , and sad
Try to play enhancement shaman against all this cc
this is why I;ll never touch arena again. Need objectives at least
@@solarflare2199 :-/ ANd I just came back to WoW to try it out again...
@@random135246coward
No blizzard devs play PvP lol
Yeah, because they all suck as players xD I remember a video from Holinka back in the day and he was keyboard turning while showing off some new arena or something.
@@nottomclancy2439 There's 3 blizz devs that I know of that are current/last season gladiators and have multiple glad titles. Of the ones I know, there's a feral druid, a ret paladin and a disc priest - I'm sure there's more.
@@Kurnhelios Don't break his delusions... how is he going to feel superior and cope for his bad skills now that he's been hit with facts :O
@@dualmouseman i mean 3 out of what? Couple hundred devs? is not really alot. And is basically non-impactful, aka, blizz devs still dont play or just flat out suck at PvP, making it very hard to balance in both a fun and competetive way
@@purreb5518 that's the 3 he personally knows.... but whatever you gotta tell yourself to feel better :)
DE: Cast on the move, can't be slowed, top damage and slows up to 80% (lasts up to 3 secs), sometimes up to 3 targets.
SP: stand still with almost no mobility (and can be slowed at any point), slow 1 target with MF up to 50% (doing 0 damage) or sometimes with MFi up to only 70% (for 1,5 secs)
Balance of all things
Makes me cry
They cancel it each other out. Balance brought to the mobility force. As all things should be.
@@jeff230394 ???
Blizzard keeps telling us that balance isn't possible and then you look at this garbage. I bet it is possible to at least make it SOMEWHAT PLAYABLE lol...
DOGSHIT GAME.
As an SP main, its an annoyance. Everything rn has so much mobility, and yea priests do have stuff... but if we are slowed at all we cant move lol. It pains me so much, it didnt feel as bad till now
Clearly a class that does not belong to warcraft... just feels like an alien ..
I'm so sick of wow brining in new classes. just keep what we got add more races if you want
FACT!
The new classes play more like an action game and the old ones still feel like a tab target old school mmo.
@@rosemorningstar5368 Facts.
💯 does not belong in wow.
Two things that are broken :
1. Wow PvP devs
2. Refer to #1
devs and devs are broken, if you catch my drift. kek
How fucked is it when melee have to play pillar while casters sit center map
thats how its always been...?
I mean, as a melee sometimes you need to run pillar unless you’re playing against bad casters
@slugfest513 sure but the majority of my experience the last 17 years has been chasing casters around pillars, not the other way around
@@CPhrost don’t get me wrong, Evoker was a mistake
@@CPhrost casters usually want to kite out in the open, htat leaves them open to be healed and open to CC/hard switch to other targets
We heard your voices loud and clear, so we added a text line to the hero talent which states it restores 2 charge now, bug fixed, also evoker gets 10% dmg buff to compensate the long text
(Dev's note) we realize this has probably been very frustrating for evoker players, so we decided to add 30 days of game time to the account of any player with over 100 hours of play time on an evoker. Hugs and kisses!
Devastation evoker got disintegrate buff in PvE and 20% nerf in PvP. So nerfed by 10% total in PvP
In addition we are passing out a further 3% nerf to all warrior damage regardless of source
As a DK, I can pretty much erase someone else's mobility. But I cant touch evoker. They get hover and it makes them completely immune to snare or deathgrip and it never seems to end. What is up with that?
Bro I hadnt played dragonflight and used to play dk before. Q'd into these dragons and was baffled by wtf was going on. DK's whole spiel is disrupting enemy movement but their immunity to that stuff feels like it never ends.
Really how so ? I got gripped every time. Note that i copy Ven built. Evoker is not immune to grip.
good. Dk's are frickin stupid broken.
@@estebanslavidastic4382 not sure why that is good. If dks are so broken and can't even close distance on these guys, what chance do you have?
@@ilrichard im an afflock. I like seeing DK's suffer. Im not concerned about my matchup with other ranged classes.
You spend the first 30 seconds completely unkiteable, completely immune to all of my damage, and inescapable with 200000 grips.
its nice to see you suffer cause you have NO IDEA how frustrating it is to have a DK just ZUG across the arena @ you right from the opening bell, and be unable to do anything about it.
20 seconds of AMS from DK and horsemen, blanket silence on 45 second cd, anti magic zone, low cd interrupts, pet stun, ranged 70% snare, frost disorient and stun,
and if you manage bysome miracl to get distance, its just an instant grip back.
And while this is all happening, massive damage is being dropped into your face.
You have no fucking idea how oppressive you are to DoT based casters, it literally makes the game unplayable. Cant CC you, cant out damage you, cant run from you.
they remove the 70% slow from ret but then do this with evoker
What talent is it that rets have, didn’t think they used to have a snare, but it’s really annoying
high iq devs !
Paladin has bubbles.
It’s just way too relatable watching you trying to hit him on your monk 🤣
Watching ven rage at the evoler tech was the funniest shit. I felt that 100% man hahaha
Evokers and frost mages are infuriating as a melee
truth be told, as much as i hate the garbage that is evokers and fmages brainless playstyle right now, the fact two casters can piss of melee is very much deserved right now considering
literally every single other caster(except for ele shaman/arc mage perhaps) in the entire game right now has to sit and tank melee dmg because every melee has 5-6 gap closers vs. 1 (2 at most) escapes.
Pretty annoying as a resto druid too, Swapping in and out of form running away from these 2 but still in a constant wheelchair
Channeling through objects that would be los to casts needs to be fixed.
No that's not the issue it's the fact he has infinite mobility with cast while moving and 90% snare during his big cast. Otherwise your bad idea would make the class worthless in pvp but you'll say good because you don't really care about the game being healthy you just want to win all the time. Actual loser mentality
@@joeym3147 lol you sounds mad.
Its a bug thats been in the game since vanilla. Blizz just doesn't know how to fix it. If you cant cast through a pillar why should we be able to channel through it? Might as well just remove pillars right?
@@ogChaaka it's not a bug lol its very easy to fix you add the conditional of obstruction or not. You just don't like how it works which is fine but you're an idiot for how you express it
Thank god you posted about this Ven. fighting dev/unholy has been a nightmare, even as a feral. If a FERAL of all specs can't keep up with someone what the fuck is going on.
You know a spec is broken when youre able to completely shutdown a ww monk by kiting him
And I don’t feel Bad for ww at all 😂
@@SavageGameHawk😂😂
When I first fought an Evoker in Dragonflight as a Hunter I couldn't believe the mobility. Now in this expansion shooting a dragon seems futile
I find it crazy that hunter, the class that should have thee most mobility out of all the classes, has the least. Everyone has 2-3 gap closers now but hunter still has one disengage. I’ve played hunter for years and just to beat a warrior now is a struggle with 2 charges a leap, roots etc
@@martinolivares1567 Guys ele sham is a problem right now
@@martinolivares1567 trap, feign death, aspect of cheetah, knockback, multiple pvp talents + disengage...
@@martinolivares1567gotta Use your steel and tar traps. I can keep melee off me the whole entire game
@@MaxJansen-kw6qs in a real 3v3 scenario above 2400 you’re not getting away from a unholy dk shaman ret or any of the mele comps with a shaman
take a shot everytime venruki says "90 percent snare"
I really wanted to pvp this season, until I encountered a frost mage and he unlimited blinked kited me.
That and the fact he is a caster who literally do not cast. Its just instant orb into instant Ice lance and instant flurry and then you are dead. Flawless design from Blizz POV for sure.
Devs went all in with infinite kite in this season. Mages and evokers are insane
90% Snare
Haaha yeah sounds Like gladiatorLSA lol
How much snare??? 😅
my sleep paralysis demon for the next 2 weeks: 90% snare
Yeah this is some of the stupidest balance I have ever seen... I am glad I am not the only one who thinks Evoker as a whole is busted for PVP.
I know fury does stupid damage, but playing with my rsham friend against hunters, prevokers and mages feels really, really bad. I dont know how they can leave the game in this state tbh
I think the game is back to a bit of rock paper scisors, I'm playing mage, evoker and shadow priest, and for example on the mage you can literally shit on most melees , but fighting a hunter or warlock feels miserable.
@@hissoka3138 It does feel that way with classes.
Dueling warriors as evoker felt so broken in pre patch. On aug they literally cannot catch you, having shroud and the anti kick pvp talent is just way too strong. Two of the best pvp talents in the game on the same class. Dumb.
@@hissoka3138 as a warlock. fighting most melee's feels miserable. ESPECIALLY DK's and warriors.
Dk's its fucking ridiculous. like 20 seconds of AMS, 10000 grips, stuns, ranged 70% snare, blanket silence, interupts, an anti magic zone, and HUGE damage.
Like, u get gripped, and literally cannot do anything but port and run for almost a full fucking minute, meanwhile he is bashing ur face in
@@estebanslavidastic4382and you can’t even run, bc you’re too snared. And if you port away, he will grip you back. And if you use your other port, he’ll grip right again. And you can’t really cast into his spamming damage and 1000 pets. And he’s always immune to your damage and CC. Dumb class that even the most mobile classes can’t scape
" 90% snare"
Why don't snares have DR? It's actually wild. Also in PvP you shouldn't be able to be reduced below 50% movement speed. They should add a PvP embellishment/gem to make that 75%. This is why PvP participation plummets because stuff like this goes live and Blizz doesn't fix it immediately. Many melee players don't reroll they just unsub when they can't play.
PS - Evokers were a mistake. Just bad for the game.
Couldn't agree more.
Remember when a shaman casting while moving was a problem?
You would do everything you could to purge spiritwalkers because you knew how good it was. Now they hand it out to all the Down syndrome kids.
No snare or slow should ever be more than 70%
As a fury warrior I agree devoted evokers are broken
I agree the rogue snare is just as stupid.
50%****
3 charges of CC immunity is absurd too
50% max.
The issue with the state of PvP right now, in my opinion, is that way too many abilities have built in CC outside of their intended button press. And most of the slows are so radical that it's down to a crawl, and if it was anymore of a slow it would technically be considered a root.
I play Arms Warrior (and I'm not trying to sound elitist about my class choice, just making a point now), and if I want to slow someone it is a button I press that is specifically designed to slow them. It costs me that global cooldown to slow them. If I play, virtually any other class almost, the slow effect is built-in to 50% of my damage abilities, and slow as much as Hamstring or more.
It makes me thing of this hero talent, that Slayer has, which causes charge to remove snares (with a cooldown before it can happen again). I tried playing with it. I am not lying when I tell you that within half a second of charging, I was slowed again. There is too much passive effects and non-conscious effects going on that almost makes any player seem like they know what they're doing -- in the example of an Invoker having 3 buttons to press to avoid/slow/CC the Warrior, for every 1 button the Warrior has to gap close.
I realize all classes have their matchups that reminds people of rock/paper/scissor, and I'm keeping that in mind. What I experience as a Warrior into Devastation, Frost Mage, Hunter, might be equally as bad as what a Mage experience into a Hunter or a Warlock, but my point still stands on the general scope of how the design intent is behind abilities and their effects. If every, or close to every, slow effect had to be a conscious choice and not a side-effect of your DPS rotation, it would loosen up the global cooldown game and also reduce how massively explosive games can be, and people would be more conscious about their spell usage, positioning and so much else.
It's a silly meta that's evolving, and I honestly don't see Blizzard making such radical changes to circumvent it, so at this point it's just a matter of living with it.
Hi, hunter here, I thought I'd mention this since you lumped us in with mage and deva, none of the hunter dps button have a slow connected to them. On top of that for our own mobility we only have a disengage and a 3min aspect of cheetah xD. Not saying hunter is weak btw just tired of the warr tears when you're playing one of the most oppressive classes that can stick on top of pretty much any range except devoker and obviously that normal and fine by you. Ask any other ranged how fun it for them to not be able to cast a single thing nor kite you all game.
@@dualmouseman it was never intended to be a class balance issue. It's much more a design discussion. You're right, Hunters are not as mobile as the others mentioned. Mages, Evokers, and even Warlocks to an extent, do not have issues with Warriors sticking to them. But again, it's not about that, like my post said as well, it can feel a lot like rock, paper, scissors.
What you say about Hunters just speaks to my point. You consciously slow if that is your desired effect. Much like Warriors with Hamstring. Rogues auto slow, Mages auto slow, Druids auto slow, Evokers auto slow etc. And by auto slow I mean just by doing a DPS rotation they are also crowd controlling. Might as well bring mace spec back then.
@@Digirave Yeah tbh I do agree with you though, "auto slow" as you put it does suck and adds nothing meaningful or interesting to the gameplay, just annoyance ;p
@@dualmouseman good thing disengage removes all snares. There’s also masters call which removes and makes you immune to them. Stealth, scatter shot, 2 stuns, freezing trap, 2 defensive walls that also heal, insane dmg with enough range to avoid anyone that can be executed from Camo, tar trap that also roots, feign death, oh and one of the highest dmg abilities in the game rapid fire can be channeled through a pillar plus turtle plus another wall with pet sac plus exhil heal which also gives another wall lmao hunters are busted rn. People just think they are busted in solo shuffle they should try them in BGs or open world. There’s also bursting shot or high explosive trap for the memes of knocking people off cliffs 😂
Ngl Hunter has been shit in arena for awhile mostly but they shouldn’t be tanky, super high dmg, mobile and ranged dps that can’t be interrupted all at once. Gotta have some weakness. Its just as miserable trying to fight a hunter (good ones not all the fotm rerolls that fall over dead and only know how to do their burst rotation)
You have no idea how much relief I got seeing this video. I legit rage quit yesterday in solo shuffle against evokers. As a warrior it’s impossible lol.
Best part is, blizz will likely see complaints about this.
Their way of fixing it will be: Oh looks like monks can't catch up to the dragons huh, let's give monks a little bit more mobility to conquer this issue - which then leads to the issue that monks has too much mobility for other ranged classes. So what do they do? well now they have to give them even more mobility/teleports/slows.
This is on repeat and soon we're all gonna be flying spaceships in the arena (Except for warlocks though they forgot their mobility in MOP)
But hey! soon we can all be dragons doublejumping as all classes so that's cool!
I tried enh yesterday all excited for the buffs, got kited across the whole BG by an undergeared dev evoker. I literally couldnt catch him....
Went back to my lock ASAP 😭
Yep, the buffs seem fun at first, and then you realise you just can't even touch anyone. Not even touch them, you can't even move half the time. Standing still waiting to die. That's what Enhance feels like.
@@StrobeFireStudioseven warrior felt like that against an undergrared evoker. I couldn’t move or catch him, as he just melted me down for free
Lol its pvp their is no undergeared.
the funniest part of watching this is that Ven isn't even playing the the class that well. haha
They've got to nerf this crap. Or put some type of dr on slows. Perma slow at 90% is insane. Whoever let that pass needs to be evaluated
Putting DR on slows would make this class harder to catch, they need to accept that adding this class is a massive mistake and remove it or rework the fuck out of it.
Doing my 1600 grind in blitz on my ww monk felt like I was slowed or rooted constantly, tigers lust would remove a root every 30 seconds but god damn using it and then getting rooted immediately after you just got out of a root is so infuriating.
Rodeo is the best option
Remember that blizzard removed cast and run lightning bolt, and KJC which actually slowed the warlock while move-casting. Yet they'll go and add stuff like this lol
Im loving this, a class all zugzug players can’t just stay on top and smash
To add insult to injury, I also play Recall talent, which allows me teleport to my original location once I finish Deep Breath. It is especially nasty in BGs.
You just don't know how to play this game. you need more practice
sure buddy, I’m sure you and your network of multi expansion challengers rejects know
This priest is literally the drenched in sweat keyboard kid meme during the monk game.
Next time wife gets mad and me and then tries to walk away....90% snare.
That was me on my ww monk. I immediately logged off monk and on my frost mage. Suddenly, I started having fun again
Everytime Ven says 90% snare, take a shot
Ive been away from retail for about 2 years, thought id give tww a try but after seeing this I think ill pass. Ty for posting this. You just saved me 80 euros.
LOL love the frost mage excerpt honestly. Crazy you gotta do that
I can't help but listen to Ven during that entire monk game and think "this is literally what casters say 90% of the time they get into an arena"
That ending is so funny. My god.
Lets not forget your highest damage can be channeled while moving and also through los.
90% snare
Everyone just about frost mages, but U all forgot when FIREmages could basically stun lock someone without end with the right talent setup and fitting gear --- it was so fun to be able to destroy max lvl melees while I was levels below xD
the vocalization of the 90% snares was giving me PTSD as an arms warrior
The silence was so loud LOL
Evokers are literally just demon hunters but casters… I still remember when DHs first came out. You couldn’t kite them but they could kite you forever + they have blur. I miss the days when kiting mechanics actually required brain powwr
I main a Fury Warrior. Played a solo shuffle the other day against Dev Evoker, MM Hunter, Frost Mage. I basically just sat in roots or slow walked to my target 90% of the game.
I got a solo shuffle with two devastation evokers, a frost mage and a marksman hunter as a wind walker monk I legit could not play the game. I’m glad I’m not the only one who thought this was insane!
Oh my god that "90% snare" 😂😂
Frost Mage is nothing like as busted as Dev. At least with Mage, you know it's 2 blocks, you know it's 4 or 5 blinks depending on the Alter Time useage. You know what the burst looks like, and how to avoid it. With Dev, nothing seems real. Nothing seems coordinated, burst is just the same spell but with a proc and some modifiers, and the stupid mobility literally never ends.
Additionaly you can use the evoker racials to interrupt every charge if you time it correctly.
Best thing ever, i love it, 5 hovers and deepbreath and rescue... without thinking of cd
My brother and I are playing Hpal and Fury war. It’s a struggle haha! We just returned after 1 year break and it’s a different beast!
The issue is deep breath resets the CD on Hover. As someone whos been melee all expansion I find Frost Mage far worse than Dev Evoker but sticking to them is pretty hard.
My boss called me today and i just kept saying 90% snare until he hung up the phone
Warriors literally can’t touch frost mages, evokers, or hunters meaning 25% of the classes they don’t have a fighting chance. But better nerf warriors some more. It’s oppressive when you literally can’t play the game and you’re stuck getting f@$ked the whole time. Warrior damage should be high because when one finally connects after 5 minutes of waddling around then it needs to make an impact.
Warriors are still one of the best melees atm.
Warriors smash everyone's face in and have a multitude of tools to get in range to smash face and stay there. The odd time you do manage to make some distance, they have defensives till they can get back in range to smash faces again. Seems like a skill issue to me.
lol just lol. you have plenty tools if used properly to negate snares. you cant be an unstoppable recking ball every fucking expansion.
How is a warrior stuck the whole time go read some tooltips dude and learn your spec what is probably fury faceroll spec 99% of being a good player is learn your class
Since you guys know how to play warrior then how do you fight something like frost mage or dev evoker in 3s and not get kiting and not die. Your always out of mobility, your always snared, both casters peel each other, you offer no cleave damage compared to everything else.
imagine trying to deal with this as an arms warrior
Took the warrior almost 3 minutes to try and hide behind pillar against a ranged character. Truly a pvp experience.
Fighting a Devoker is like playin a ret simulator, slow for days.
I'm a newish player, and I made my character as an evoker, tried battleground pvp for the first time this week & I feel like i'm doing something disgusting but as I've got no proper experience with other classes I can't say if it's op or not,. just feels wrong somehow '^^.
"I did play a lot during vanilla-tbc., & returned very briefly for 2-3weeks during shadowlands . so technically not new but it was such a long time ago"
Ah… yeah the class that made me take a break from the game for a few weeks
This video is brought to you by 90 percent snare 🤣
Almost hit 1800, then versed evoker disc priest mage over and over, as a fury warrior I only connected for the length of Bladestorm and or stun.
Wait till venruki plays an arms warrior into all these classes.
Where's my snare? -Eminem
This is what it felt like when monk, and demon hunters first got introduced...all the mobility.
Now I understand melee players better (lock main since mop, used to hate them too)
How you feel in this video is how a lot of PvP players have felt for years. Like why am I playing this. I did skip SL and DF and giving TWW a try but again Blizz... what are you doing??!!
me and other ranged player had the same thoughts when introducing the monk
What was the percentage on that snare anyway?
The funniest thing is it's pretty much impossible to kite Monks now but Evokers still manage to do it.😂
Lmao I just found this out today on my Voker, I was like “why in the fuck is hover constantly up” lol. Come on Blizzard 😂
This is how the game should be played though. That war should be sitting on pillar. Not trying to chase and staying in middle to get freecasted on.
im name changing to 90%snare
At least someone is having fun :)
what a time to be alive where wow arena takes longer then league games
Fury warrior could have the SL S4 set bonus of charge on raging blow and STILL not catch Frost mages or Dev evokers right now
Bro can we have more 90 percent snare content 🙏😂😂😂
Wonder what kind of percentage the snare is?
The evoker archetype fits we've always had dragonkin type humanoids, but these abilities and powers just don't belong in wow.
Evoker on all specs is an absolute monster. S tier every spec. Beyond outplaying if they have a brain.
Just as frustrating as curse of exhaustion which lasts forever.
bruv lol WHAT!? CoE lasts 12 seconds in pvp, its dispellable or removeable by like, almost every class, and its only a 50% snare unless you amplify curse which has a 1 minute cooldown.
Makes me mis my afflock in early shadowlands. Everyone was cursed to a walk like this all the time.
Entire BGs just walking vs 1 aff lock
Finally, it's nice to see the Warriors not be in the top 100% of the time. The warriors have had their time.
This is what you get when you give each class like a bazillion abilities. Everyone can heal, snare , cc etc..
Ven enduring what Frost mage has done to melee since 2004.
Is insane the dractyr, 80% of arena is flying...
i didnt catch that... how many percent was the snare ?
Thought this video was gonna be about frost mage when I clicked
I love fury war soo much but this exact video shows why i m thinking of making an mm hunter...frost mages aswell holy fck...might aswell just leave the arena...i was hyped to pump ww monk next to fury but it has the same exact issue soo no point 😅
When I play preservation evoker I feel as though I get CC'd so much more than when I play on my disc priest even when I play devastation evoker same situation more than when I'm on my warlock and warlock is the one class you don't won't to let be free casting.
I can confirm as a melee main (ret, fury, dk) playing against evok feels like you are playing against a character from a different game. It’s completely impossible to track everything they do and catching them in cc for cleave is basically impossible.
They should just given them a cape with an S on it and let them fly around the arena like Superman!