For the latest 5-stars, every best cons is at C2. Hoyo saw with Raiden that dolphins and low spenders tried to get her C2, a good stopping point. Whales/leviathans will almost always pull for higher cons but the additional revenue of low spenders trying for a cons was deemed a success for Hoyoverse.
For sure! A broken C6 or C4 is out of most players’ reach. C2 still requires 3 copies, but it seems more plausible that you could get it if you just spent x amount for that one last copy or the next rerun. And heck, if C2, then why not try going for the weapon just to max x character’s potential as much I can? Like a dangling carrot for low spenders or dolphins to chase :o
When the beta leaked her constellations, the C2 and C4 were switched and I was definitely planning on getting her C0. But after they changed it and made the C2 what it is I just went for it. I have no doubts that it was a huge success for them lol
@@CumEater Ikr, her kit is already so broken but Her Cons make her absurdly broken, her damage just keeps getting higher in Every con. She's literally 2nd Bennet of the game.Have energy recharge, has resistance to interruption, can increase her damage through chakra system, has free Noblesse oblige in her elemental skill, Free electro bonus from her passive, can fit into sh!t ton of team comps. Perfect Archon.
Speaking of Zhongli’s C2, I was surprised to learn that this constellation is actually somewhat viable from rotation perspective. It basically allows you to start any fight with his Q, bypassing long casting times of Hold E + Q combo, which is considered a DPS loss. And spamming (when built accordingly) Planet Befall every 12 or so seconds is kinda juicy, not gonna lie. And hey! Albedo’s C2 gives him a cute flower!!! Definitely ‘most broken’ tier material.
Not really, it's a bait. In most bost fights it takes the enemy a while to even start anyway. Or you can do it in between. Venti in my opinion is more worth.
@@chaosinfernoid9008 in the grand scheme of things, all 5* constellations are bait, but, in my opinion, gaining access to a more smooth rotation in Zhongli teams is a nice bonus, expecially if you use him often.
@@TheCheeseman1983 exactly not! And that's why it is so surprising. Zhongli can easily be built as Burst DPS, but only with C2 it is viable. It is written in full detail on KQM Zhongli Guide.
Wait so people were angry at C2 Raiden cause it was so early??? Or cause it was so op in general? Because hating it cause it's so early like... Makes no sense. If you're not gonna spend it doesn't change anything for you anyways, but it does make saving up for it way easier and if you want to spend a bit you don't have to spend much to get it. Raiden is super strong on c0 already so like-
Back when she was released, people thought Raiden was a main DPS with a lil bit of utility, only to realize her pre C2 personal damage was very mediocre which gave an early sentiment of her being bad overall at C0 and therefore NEEDING her C2 to be an actual unit. Of course once people started to fiddle with her more, they realized how broken that "little bit of utility" actually was, found out rational team etc, and realized how good she was even with "meh" damage, so the sentiment didn't last.
If you think she's strong it's c0 then you have no idea how ludicrously strong she is at C2. That being said people are just upset about it because it made them actually spend money
For many people, it's better to have something *definitely* out of your reach (C6) than having something dangled in front of your eyes and then telling you you're gonna need to spend "just a few hundred bucks" to get it
It's funny how you have to decide whether you get 2 character constellations or just one copy of their signature weapon depending on your luck. In Raiden's case it's pretty obvious which one is better value.
@@rottingmaggots In terms of a strict power to primogem value, I would argue yes. Although that extra power might be unnecessary to clear the abyss, so it could go both ways. This is coming from someone with a C3 Raiden and I don’t usually pull for 5* constellations.
Funny thing with C2 Klee is that it wasn't deemed as broken before because there was only Jean and Sucrose who can reliably suck up the mines towards enemies, which was wonky and a hassle. You sometimes have to rely on enemy stepping on the mines to apply it as well. But now we have Kazuha who can suck those mines and apply that defense reduction reliably, and add Kazuha's own VV shred + buffs, it amounts to ridiculous damage amplification for the whole team, most notably on mono-pyro setups. They pretty much indirectly buffed C2 Klee via Kazuha and its abusable and borken AF now.
As a klee main with c2, It works so well when I'm playing klee with friends. All I gotta do is spam the heck out of my jumpy and hope they keep walking into them while my high level friends just attack with their strong characters. Note: I have a level 70 klee that does barely 1k dmg with dodoco tales boost, so I mostly just rely on my friends in coop and elemental reactions in solo. That doesn't stop me from being a klee main tho and the fact she is my only character that does 1k XD
There’s no shame in letting ur friends carry you! You’re most definitely pre AR55 from the sounds of this post so I hope you can improve your builds soon and hope you’re having fun playing the game c:
I think early powerful constellations are pretty beneficial, honestly. It absolutely does entice you more to spend, but for those who do it feels like a nice boost early on rather than a painful slog through mediocre trinkets until you reach an actual upgrade, like with Xiao. It makes no sense for constellations to start out weak and improve linearly as you go down, as that would be bad for everyone. Throw a strong one in there at 1 or 2, make it feel worth it and not like wasted pity.
yes it’s definitely nice but it’s also important to consider the sheer dps increase. when an “early” constellation is literally game breaking people will feel the need to pull more, and since in-game primogem sources are limited they will likely spend actual money. but it is not an early constellation, as none of them are, just due to the amount of primogems (and real life money) you have to spend to even get a single copy. since it’s not gigawhale worthy it feels like it should have been part of her initial kit, but it’s not. it’s clearly just bait to get people who only have the resources for “early” constellations to still spend tons of money because of how rewarding it is even if they had never even spent any before. if it was a c6, nobody would feel pressured to get the constellation because it would feel out of reach and excessive, but oh well it’s just a c2 might as well get it. might be silly and pull for c3 for burst damage too
@@witchhazel8648 Never go for constellation for 5 star. Even though it feels tempting to go for that c2, that 30% dmg increase, I think c1 is as far as I go unless I get lucky.
You don't need cons for any five star. Not even five star weapons for that matter. Or even five star characters in the first place. Game is braindead toddler levels of easy, everything dies in half a rotation with a mediocre team built in 1.0 and it will always be that way. Until there's an actual challenge in the game, nothing is worth even doing in this game. In fact events and exploring are pretty pointless too, as all you get is primos to pull with and materials to upgrade, when it's not needed. As a "game", it makes no goddamn sense. If any other game adopted this philosophy it'd die in a week. I don't get the support this shit gets, it makes billions yet can't implement an endgame for people that want it so everyone is happy because of "anxiety" 🙄
As someone who has C3 Eula on my main and accidentally got her at C0 on my alt in her rerun, I can confirm that her C2 makes a massive difference if you're using her as a hypercarry. You can keep pale flames buff up 100% of the time and never have to worry about being able to properly set up your burst. Plus more mini-nuke.
@@cutee1703 She can do the highest single numbers but my Hu Tao seems to kill a little quicker. Eula is still my favorite though and is criminally underrated.
@@cutee1703 in terms of actual damage in a full team shes on the lower end of 5 star dpses, but unlike someone like ayaka and ganyu she has a lot of potential to get better if they ever release physical specific supports. her lack of reaction really inhibits her from the constant high damage of other characters.
I started properly playing in 2.3 and I just loved the design of itto I was also fairly new at the time and didn't know the wishes would be that limited so I grinded and kept pulling on the itto banner and managed to get C2 his weapon and C6 Gorou nowadays I'm way more careful and would rather roll for more characters than constellations but I don't regret C2 itto at all he's a lot of investment but I think it was worth it overall since I do a lot of damage in the abyss I'm now looking forward to next patch since I can add Albedo to this team and have the ultimate Geo team
I joined 2.3 too and got Qiqi. I'm actually greatful that I did because I didn't unlock Inazuma up until a month later and since then Qiqi has been my only standard banner character. I've been winning 7 50/50s since 2.4.
I still use him in Abyss and he's still great. Only complain is his noodle arms. They did his body dirty. AlHaitham is a hot daddy with buff arms why they didn't do the same to Itto 🥲
Eyy a fellow Itto lover! I would love to c2 him but I only just got him and his weapon last rerun so gonna wait for his next rerun. In my case I find it difficult to build many characters so I'm considering getting cons for my mains instead but it depends if I like the future characters. Good luck and hope you got Albedo! Happy to get him and now my mono geo team is complete
I like your topic, I have also noticed that Hoyo is trying to increase character's capabilities in c2 + increasing the c3 skill for dolphin's satisfaction. This is their way of selling the characters. Like for Nilou and Nahida, (spoiler), we can say that they have very good C2s and will further increase their capabilities at c3 to c6.
Nahida C2 is like utterly broken if you look at what her purpose is. Crit on reactions, like wth man thats insane on Dendro, given that this specific element is all abt reactions
adding onto this: I’d put nilou’s c2 about where shenhe’s is. with shit loads of hp and even without her signature weapon, it means you don’t really need to be running deepwood dreams in your party. as someone who absolutely whaled on her for c6 and her weapon, that extra res decreases makes her absolutely shred enemies
solid game knowledge made this video really, really good. and I agree about constellations, I value ones that decrease cooldowns, increase durations, add charges, etc. because they change the gameplay however slightly over just a boring old damage increase
making C2 strong instead only C6 is good IMO Yes, I know it is designed to trick you pay more, but as if the rest of the game hasn't already done that =))) now what makes me say it's good is how fast some character gets rerun recently, so you can get your hand on C2 "easier"
@@chaosinfernoid9008 technically, f2p can get a 5 stars character every 2 patches (90 pull) and a guarantee their character every 4 patches (180 pull) and this math is at your worst luck that needs 90 pull for a 5 stars character so with careful planning, you can get c2 without spending any money in their second rerun (if you got that character during their first banner)
@@mikofanboy9711 good point, but who would spend 180 wishes more just on a single character as a f2p? that seems kinda a waste in all honesty, even if the character is so ‘broken’ whatsoever
@@xaurui because they like them? 5 stars is not necessary to clear the game so f2p spend their wishes on characters they like (this includes their con) Being free to play in a gacha game always mean you have to accept that you can't collect everyone right away, meaning being a collector is already not a option, so instead of trying to get everyone, they can focus on 1 or 2 characters they like and unlock their con via saving and rerun ---- Also, 180 is the worst luck possible Normally, nobody gonna actually hit the 180 mark while pulling :v
I actually really love powerful C2 five stars. The reason is I'm not a whale and I'm probably never ever ever going to get a C6. Characters like shen pretty much operate the way I want them to with their C6 and that just feels bad. It feels so bad that I'm probably never going to get her because I'll have that looming in the background. The strong C6 five stars should have been reserved for the standard banner.
I do like c1/2 being broken because I can get those on reruns. In my case: I unlocked Hu Tao and Raiden on their first banner, Homa and englufing in the second and C1 Hu Tao on the third while now saving for Raiden. This way even after having her lv 90, triple crowded with a great set I still know there's room for improving and more important: I know it's double.
I see Raiden's C2 in a different way. C2 is broken. But is it necessary? No. Might be just me but I think her damage is already good enough, and even better than some other units for on field, with just C0 and The Catch. After all we have a broken Emblem set, her burst mechanics and passive all for increasing burst damage. And you stand on Bennett's Circle as well. You have Xiangling and Xingqiu. So why would I even be tempted by a C2 that's overkill. C2 is probably just for that Hypercarry Raiden.
C0 is completely enough, well atleast for what we have now (spiral abyss). If theres no endgame content other than that, or mihoyo not planning to add the floor, then c2 is definitely unnecessary
C2 Klee is too low in your ranking, it may not seem like much, but that’s a huge DPS increase for the full team Klee usually plays in mono pyro team w Klee Kazuha Benny and Xiangling, so Xiangling also gains a huge boost Also it has good uptime cuz Klee has 2 charges for her Jumpy Dumpty As a Klee main, I suggest every single Klee owner pulls for C2 I’d say it should be on par with Ayaka’s C2 Though C2 Ayala unlocks her melt build with sunfire Jean and this shit is really powerful too
The only 5 star (aside from the standard ones) I have with C2 are the archons. Yes, when I got C2 zhongli, I decided to get C2 Raiden and Venti's cons as well. Zhongli C1 was also my first limited 5 star constellation, which was purely by luck and then I saved up for his c2.
The reason many 5* now have good C3s is because they realized, probably with data, that C2 is the stopping point for many people. For example, if you luck into C1 your FOMO really kicks in if you know the next constellation will be one of the best. As a BP+Bless player constellations don't interest me, as I would rather have another 5*, than 10-25% more damage. But for low-spenders, I think, having a good C2 is much nicer than packing everything into the C6.
I really appreciate good early cons. It feels like you're actually getting something for all the money or time you're spending on this game. C2 is 300 dollars on a good day and 500 on a bad day (USD). That's a lot of freaking money for a character. For my free to plays, if you are getting cons bless you and your patient soul. That has to have taken so long. My instant gratification brain could never. I personally don't roll for cons. Cyno broke the rule for me to get a C1 as I had spare primos sitting around but if you're paying cash like that... It should feel rewarding.
as someone who as a C2 kazuha, it really is OP like the swirl damage and the buff he gives is just wow, I didn't even plan to get him to C2, I was pulling for heizhou and he showed up twice in a row
Since C2 Ayaka sub-bursts count towards the ICD on her burst, having C2 actually allows Ayaka to melt most of her big burst ticks. Which is strong and also completely impossible if the enemy decides to move. It's an interesting aspect tho imo
kokomi c2 is amazing in co-op because no one ever wants to get near your jellyfish also the only time i've won 3 50/50's in a row was getting c2 klee so i may be bias in thinking it's an amazing constellation and worth getting if you use her as a main dps. makes spiral abyss mad easy and getting 80k charged shots with no reactions is always fun. can't wait to go for her (quite literal) C4 >:)
@@bsplashing You have excellent taste, friend. Ayaka is the only other character I’ve whaled on, took her to C6. No regrets, I wanted her since 1.0 and she’s still one of my favorites to play, alongside Raiden (and Keqing and Ganyu).
I rolled on raiden on her first banner, liked her, then saw her c2 and was like "yeah, no way"... i ended up pulling for it on her rerun, got really lucky as a f2p
I got C2 from not having her in 160 pulls on the current Raiden rerun. I knew abt the brokenness as C2 unit but I mainly got her becuz I wanted Sara cons and my luck didnt fail me somehow
I once met a super-helpful Zhongli player. He was C2 at least, judging by the supplementary shields he was providing us. I asked for a Kokomi (I usually do) when fighting Raiden weekly boss, and here he was removing the need for a healer. His shields were strong, and he was sending meteors down so frequently!! Mr Zhongli user if you read this, know that I am super stoked for your presence and assistance!
Those late 5 stars are straight predatory method. By putting strong early cons, it urges low spender to spend more. Right now, i won't get early cons if it's benefits only at it's character dmg. But i'll pull if it works like somekind of buff for my roster like C2 Kazuha, or game changing mechanics like C1 Hu Tao (and that's still if i love the character so much).
It would be great to see similar video, but just considering constelations overall, C1-C6 and how much more broken do the characters get with them all.
11:10 not only is it broken as is, Cyno's C1 increases his attack speed, which further solidifies his C2's brokennes... Mihoyo really making 5 stars have their power locked behind cons a lot lately...
(just a technical thing: could you lower the bg music a tiny bit? at minute 9 it was kinda distracting... thank you for the video tho, it was interesting, although I don't think I'll ever pull for a C2 of a 5* lol I only have Diluc up there just because he loves me that much apparently)
Eula's C2 is amazing! Especially with C1 and Pale Flame P4 as you can have 100% uptime on both the C1 buff and Pale Flame buff. Not to mention a fully charged skill hits hard and reduces physical defense. Being able to use it more often makes overworld even more trivial. You did her dirty here.
I certainly prefer the "all or nothing" mentallity with constellations. I would rather a few characters needing me to spend very heavily to pull all copies than almost always feeling obligated to add another copy or two to already premium characters to get all functionality out of them. C6 being broken makes some kind of sense(or as much sens as anythign can make within the context of gacha), it feels like a reward that not many will really see and so isn't something taken into that much account when evaluating the character. From my perspective as someone who has no issues spending, feeling a need for another copy or two for some 5*'s is annoying, but most players save and budget and plan for 5*'s, I can't imagine how shit it feels to go through that and then need to pull multiple copies to get full use out of the character.
As a diehard Xiao main (he’s the reason I started playing Genshin to begin with lol), I actually appreciate his c2 for a pretty unusual reason lol. I have always paired him with Jean (even before I had her at C4) but her energy gain is abysmal. So I chain Xiao’s skill and then funnel all the particles to Jean. Because of Xiao’s C2 I’m able to reliably refill BOTH of their bursts at the exact same time AND have the added benefit of activating Jean’s C2! I don’t have Faruzan yet, but hopefully I can figure out a smooth triple Anemo rotation when I do
Personally C2 isn't effective whale-bait for me. For me C2-C6 on event 5* is the same thing, so for all I care they could all say "Auto-Clear Abyss with 36*" What I do dislike is having gameplay features locked behind them, but stuff like Raiden's C2 doesn't really matter to me. Especially since despite the opinion at the time, C0 is still great. Great C1s bother me more because it's an easier sell (just skip one character or "just" spend like 150€) and I have seen people pull C1s in a single multi, which makes me jealous and salty because it gives that feeling of "It could've been me" Personally for me a new character, even a 4* one, is worth more than any constallation. I tend to get bored of playing a character around the same time as I reach Friendship 10. My biggest regret is still getting C1 HuTao, just because 90% of the time I need to use Pyro nowadays, I'll choose Yomiya due to her being easier to use and I haven't played her as much.
Yoimiya c3 haver here! Yoi's c2 can stack actually! My current Yoi has 46.6 pyro dmg bonus. I did an experiment when I got her c2, and instead of just capping at 71.6 (+25), it went up to 91.6. (which is actually less than it should be, 96.6). She has 64.3 crit rate, and she crits pretty often, almost every other hit.
6:55 onwards.... That background music, it sounds so familiar. Which game was it from? I can't seem to recall. EDIT: Nevermind, I just remembered it. It's from Ragnarok Battle Offline. The track is called "Sanctuary of the Sleeping Dead".
Yelans cons are cracked and Nilous C6 is insane it is 30% crit rate and 60% damage for a con. That is like a free crit rate and crit damage artifact you get to use at the same time without using up an artifact slot. That is a decent damage increase while having free artifact slots for HP and EM.
I got Zhongli C2 for co-op but it ended up being really comfy for having a quick option to get a shield Made using trial C0 Zhongli in an event feel less smooth to me when I used his burst and didn’t get shielded
Something you're not considering for Yoimiya's C2 is that it adds additional Pyro damage, along with her A2 passive. With all this Pyro damage bonus added to her kit, it makes it more favourable to run an EM sands with ATK goblet for her Vape comps, without losing out on DPS potential from the normal ATK/DMG/CRIT setup.
Kazuha's C1, C2, and C6 are all pretty amazing imo. I spent $100 for C1 on his 1st banner and then had 200 wishes saved for his second (also wanted Heizou cons at the time) my luck with Heizou cons was bad, however my Kazuha luck was insane. I got him to C5 in 200 wishes + converted starglitter, won every 50/50. Then I was on the fence about spending to try for C6, but did it anyway. Only $100 + $70 for C6 is pretty nice imo. C6 is quite fun and makes using him as a DPS much easier. I still have him on a VV set with a good amount of EM substats and an ATK, Anemo, Crit, set up with Jade Cutter though. I don't bother switching between support and DPS setup since everything dies anyway.
I like very strong early constellations just for the fact that you could get lucky(like my friend who wont shut up about it) where you get 2-3 copies of the character in a 10 pull. Also it being an early constellation means that if a dedicated f2p players really likes a character, they dont need to get forced to either wait for a long time to get enough primogems and reruns the get to the state they want or use their real money to get what they want
I fully agree. I understand that it's a bit of a bait for people to spend, but it's just really nice for low spenders and people who get lucky. Getting multiple copies in a 10 pull is amazing, but if the constellations are garbage then there's not much point to it. Good early constellations make it feel very rewarding
@@Akai93 i agree, I got C0 and C1 Raiden in the same 10pull and honestly, even if C1 isnt the best, it still felt amazing as F2P to even be able to get low cons for 5*s Which is why I agree with early cons being good. It gives F2P players a goal that is accessible if you have the luck or dedication for it, becuz C6 is almost unreachable without swiping and C2 is far more accessible
i got kazuha back in the first golden apple arhipelago. i really liked his design and concept, with his skill and burst, never really liked sucrose and never got venti. he has never left my party ever since. i was f2p back then. After we got to inazuma i was so happy with my kazuha ive started to look into ways to make both him and my team stronger. ive read his c1 and liked the skill reset, but c2 was what i needed to get to over 1000 em. ever since childe rererun ive saved all of my primos for c2 kazuha, getting some welkins in the process to speed up the process. ive had so many wishes for kazuha rerun that i was still left with over 150 and decidd to get yae miko and her weapon last patch. long story short. im so happy with my c2 kazuha and he makes the game look 10 times easier when i play genshin. although ive noticed he has some trouble with climbing, he always slips down. i dont know what that is all about
I will say that Yae Miko's c2 is much stronger than you're giving it credit for. It's not just increasing electro damage, or adding additional damage, it's changing her base damage modifier, which results in a solid jump in damage per E shot. The added range is just icing on the cake. For reference, at talent level 10 the totems base damage goes from 170 -> 213. Factoring in that this is applied anywhere between 10-15 times depending on your rotation, this adds up pretty fast.
@@doggypoofy1390 Maybe some people's are. My Yae is C6, so my totem damage goes hard. Currently: - 24,000 without reactions - 26,117 with Guilded dreams active - 44,413 on Aggravate - 87,988 with a full team + Aggravate. (I can push these numbers higher) My ult doesn't exactly tickle, but with the same setup, each Tenko Thunderbolt hits for 67k~. Around 250k damage intotal on a 22 second cooldown. I only wish Yaes c6 applied to her ult as well. Would have been dope.
Great video. While I do plan to roll raiden whenever she’s reran I’m NGL while C2 is busted… I’d rather roll for EL because aesthetic yes I’m a naginata fan design wise
I was actually just thinking about some of the C1 characters I own, and whether I wanna go for c2 or not lol. Definitely kazuha and most likely itto, because he has 100% energy recharge. I got a nice crit ratio from artifacts, but sadly that domain wasn't too nice to me so he has no ER. It's very, very underwhelming. Probably Yoimiya but she's c0 atm and I still haven't gotten raiden but c2 is just a dream for now. I got 2 Cynos in a ten pull so I take its meant for me to go to c2
I wouldn't recommend it on Yoimiya. She already gets so much bonus DMG from her skill and artifact set that 25% Pyro dmg isn't much of an improvement, not to mention that you need to get the useless C1 as well. C2 is about a 10% total damage increase.
You know another reason why people love to pull constellation for Raiden is because her C3 already up her burst lvl by 3 (which in this case is what make her deal so much dmg) that's why most people will continue to pull for her C3 after getting C2 because that's literally what will make her so OP. Also not to mention C6 Sara literally up the electro dmg bonus of the party members by 60% as well
How a refresh on zhongli shield (that actually doesn't break) be so much better than free Childe free Energy? Like if you are playing Xingqiu you doesn't need him at 200 ER if Tartaglia actually does as a battery, allowing him permaQ+ occasionally energy for the team
I have c2 Venti, and I feel like this was made for early 1.0 Genshin days when they were still learning how to make 5* characters. I think they conceived Venti at first as a possible baby's first DPS for early game. All his c2+ cons read like small personal damage spikes and improvement of his battery. That's why the weird phys dmg shred, just in case you wanted to play shotgun Venti like phys Fischl. Or the triple charged arrows of his c1. It's a pointless cons tree for support swirl EM Ventis. Now about his c2 shred and after me using it a lot, again, it's definitely made for his personal dmg since you do E-Q with him, so you activate the second shred and hopefully the lighter mobs might get sucked while in the air. Now using it with Xiao is... doable, sure, but with the team rotations and burst animations it's way less than 10 seconds of shred you're getting for Xiao's burst. You can get a little improvement in the first plunges but that's it. The anemo shred isn't even that high (just 12%) and worse than c6 anemo traveler or c4 Jean (which most of us don't have lol), to add insult to injury. I don't regret getting it because my Venti is DPS build and his green ticks look a little thicker, but it's disappointing and difficult to use as a buffer for other anemos. Maybe it works better with Heizou since his attacks are faster and continuous? Sadly Heizou didn't want to come home so I can't test this yet
they came up with venti during a time where support wasnt even considered to be useful. i mean if you look at the tier lists from 1.0 bennett is b or c tier. now that the community has matured, hoyoverse can actually sell support and people will pay for it
@@Hoolahups I don't think that's the case. You're confusing what the community found useful on early AR (a lot of DPS and surviving simpler enemies) with the foundations Hoyo was already setting up. VV shred and Benny buff always existed but it didn't matter back then when you couldn't even farm artifacts and you didn't need to be that insanely strong. EM wasn't even a stat people wanted in general, and Venti's best build used to be atk/anemo/crit. Even today, Venti isn't a support either. He's an off-field sub-DPS with some utility, which isn't what Hoyo expected on 1.0 probably but they approved this kind of build by making Elegy for even more team buffs and changing the EM meta for swirls (granted, that was done more for Kazuha, but it changed other anemos' builds and especially Sucrose and Venti's damage forever, and it made Venti's cons kinda irrelevant)
@@caparashon well of course hoyoverse intended him to be support/subdps, but I don't think anyone would deny that it would make much more sense if he got the support aspects of kazuha. Mihoyo knew though that they couldn't sell support right off the bat, I mean they couldn't even sell kazuha on his first run because the community wasn't matured yet. I mean if you look at 5 stars, kazuha was the first true support, and shenhe was the first 5 star support to be well received on launch. It's just hard to not throw in the little dps boosts for your first characters constellations because at the time all people wanted was bigger damage from the constellations.
@@Hoolahups Dude, you just lost me. You changed the subject, my point was that BACK IN 1.X the abyss meta was different and the players' needs were different and there was no need for supports beyond some healers. IMHO Kazuha's passive was maybe made with 2.x in mind most likely, just like we got EM Inazuman characters before dendro, or maybe as an afterthought to make him sell over other anemos. Also sorry, you lost me at Kazuha as a real support? What the fuck? The guy's also a sub-DPS! He makes an absurd personal damage and he can delete almost anything on exploration with just one element, even as a full EM build. Hell, his c6 even make him a possible main DPS for whales. I guess some people just use him as a buffer/shredder and switch to their cracked hypercarry but you cannot be serious by saying he's the first true support. He's not. He's not like a Shenhe or a Gorou or a Sara, and that's what makes him top tier: he can do so many things including damage
Genshin is the first gacha game I've ever played that has entire kits locked behind SSR duplicates. Most other gachas are small multipliers but you have the entire kit unlocked on the first copy. So the mere fact there's discussions about wether duplicates are necessary or not is just insane to me. Predatory doesn't begin to describe it
@@mk007__ there's a difference between perfectly viable and a complete package. Think of it like getting Darth Vader with only his Lightsaber and force pull/ push. Force Lightning and force choke not included. That's the problem here. Most gachas just increase the dmg or make them more efficient at something like backstabbing etc. Genshin RIPS OUT aspects of a character design and then sells it back to you in their constellations. Their still functional, but feel nowhere near as fun without their extra copies
@@PlatinumO You could literally clear Abyss constantly with only 4*, so there's no debate here. Call me a white knight or anything, but there's no excuse of "blah blah can't beat mission boss waaaah waaaaah", since they're all pretty easy to beat if you have built them enough. With that being said, in order to C6 your 4*, you need to gacha. So imagine you actually land your 5* that's better than any C6 4*.
I prefer the power being gated behind lower cons. Doesn't matter for me lol, I am a very low spender and my only con is my keqing c1, but it makes big dps increases more achieveable in the long run for low spenders
I would say low spenders seem to have more fun playing genshin but lately I've seen both whales and low spenders get bored with the game and end up quitting. I do think whales get bored faster though.
For me broken c2 are great! (As long the characters is funtional at c0) because it givss you something else to look forward to after you have min/maxed your favorites. My exemple: After one year of maining Raiden and still loving her, I first farmed a good set, then triple crowned her, then the engulfing at the rerun (at hard pity) and now finally her c2 for free with a bit of saving and a lot of luck. I did also main Hu Tao, but after c1 I dont feel like having much space to grow left unfortunately.
Now that faruzan is out xiaos c2 is quite okay actually. You can dash and then switch to faruzan so that she can catch the energy and xiao still gets enough
Is far much better to have a c2 strong and be able to actually unlock it then a c6 which almost nobody will want to give for (only if you are rich) . Mihoyo did well by doing that , early constellation is tempting and affordable for most of the players then c6 which means more money in Mihoyo pocket , so , is a win/win for both sides.
I understand the frustration of having a significantly weaker character because you have c0 instead of everyone having c2 but those early cons being fun and interesting makes things like accidental back to back 5 stars actually exciting opposed to characters to like Albedo and Yoimiya who I got 2 in a single 10 pull for each and those c1s are just so boring that it was impossible to even really be excited by it. So tldr, I like the OP cons as long as long as the c0 character is competent, which someone like Raiden is.
@@Ratheil i feel like there should be a good balance between character value and potential at C0 as well as proper power in their constellations to reward going for them. Because locking too much power behind cons will upset people who cant afford to get multiple copies, where as if cons are too weak, no one would bother going for them. But the balance to get this right is quite difficult to find
Itto c2 for me is incredibly broken, thanks to it, i never have to worry about not having my burst up at all times, and given that he is absolutely broken as a dps, with his ult hitting 50-100k a hit, with the last hit at 80-140k, its really good. And ushi hitting 200k casually is really nice too.
This is a bit late for me to comment, but I personally think Nilou and Nahida's C2's are pretty busted. Nilou's shreds hydro once the sequence is finished and additionally shreds Dendro when making bloom reactions. Nahida's leaked kit shows that her C2 let's bloom reactions and Nilou's Bountiful Cores crit though they're locked at rates of 20 cr and 100 cd, and shreds def if you do the quicken reactions
I'd say Eula's C2 is more useful in case you are late on her rotation, and allows you some leeway to maximize her damage. It really more gives you a margin of error rather than a damage boost.
yelan and kazuha are my highest cons (both c2 with sig) and i have kokomi+hutao c1 because one is my fav and the other is just broken!! got yelans c2 so i can play her with hutao properly with no xingqiu (because i like zhongli+kazuha combo w her) and i got kazuha from c0 to c2 on his rerun as i enjoy playing him a lot especially with hutao and she loves em!! next one might be nahida and i might get c1 shenhe for my ayaka team too :)
None of the content in Genshin ask for constellations. The content is so easy, getting base c0 of any 5* can 36* abyss (which has been the endgame for the last 2 years). Throwing money for a c2 for your 15-20mins of "fun" is pretty stupid. And I am saying this as one of these stupid people and have stopped spending ever since.
@@iLAGnDC but you gotta look at things on their perspective, maybe they enjoy faster clear times and want better dps so they can enjoy the game the way THEY like it.
@@iLAGnDC I say let they play the game how they feel like it and it is a sp game if they think that con will make them have fun then let them get it I know u can clean anything with c0 5 star but have then con will change a unit all together like zhongli he c2 turn him to a good support why he c6 make him to a min healing and I feel more I can list but he came into my mind
@@demonluck999 They can play the game how they want to but I can say what I think too. They can either ignore it, agree but do it anyway or just not do it. Throwing money at this game is stupid.
Since I’m f2p I’m working towards raiden’s c2 gradually. I got c0 on 1st banner, pulled c1 on 2nd and now I’m hoping to pull c2 on next rerun :D Weapon maybe on the 4th banner 😆
I got C2 from not having her on her current rerun, Ill go for weapon next rerun. As fully F2P person with some mildly concerning luck, this didnt take more than 160 pulls. But even as a C1 unit (I never got to play her as C0 cuz I got C0 and C1 in the same 10pull) she was already satisfactory for DMG and utility
NO C1's ARE CONSIDERED. I really don't think I can say this in enough places. I will still get comments.
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But qiqi’s C1!! it’s so good!!1!1!1,
Can you do this for C6 4 stars, or something like this.
man wait till you see nahida's C2
But can you do one for C1s?
For the latest 5-stars, every best cons is at C2. Hoyo saw with Raiden that dolphins and low spenders tried to get her C2, a good stopping point. Whales/leviathans will almost always pull for higher cons but the additional revenue of low spenders trying for a cons was deemed a success for Hoyoverse.
For sure! A broken C6 or C4 is out of most players’ reach. C2 still requires 3 copies, but it seems more plausible that you could get it if you just spent x amount for that one last copy or the next rerun. And heck, if C2, then why not try going for the weapon just to max x character’s potential as much I can?
Like a dangling carrot for low spenders or dolphins to chase :o
C3 increases damage even more lol.
When the beta leaked her constellations, the C2 and C4 were switched and I was definitely planning on getting her C0. But after they changed it and made the C2 what it is I just went for it. I have no doubts that it was a huge success for them lol
@@backyardtortoise. c2 is a way bigger increase than c3 but c3 is still very good
@@CumEater Ikr, her kit is already so broken but Her Cons make her absurdly broken, her damage just keeps getting higher in Every con. She's literally 2nd Bennet of the game.Have energy recharge, has resistance to interruption, can increase her damage through chakra system, has free Noblesse oblige in her elemental skill, Free electro bonus from her passive, can fit into sh!t ton of team comps. Perfect Archon.
Speaking of Zhongli’s C2, I was surprised to learn that this constellation is actually somewhat viable from rotation perspective. It basically allows you to start any fight with his Q, bypassing long casting times of Hold E + Q combo, which is considered a DPS loss. And spamming (when built accordingly) Planet Befall every 12 or so seconds is kinda juicy, not gonna lie.
And hey! Albedo’s C2 gives him a cute flower!!! Definitely ‘most broken’ tier material.
Not really, it's a bait. In most bost fights it takes the enemy a while to even start anyway. Or you can do it in between. Venti in my opinion is more worth.
@@chaosinfernoid9008 in the grand scheme of things, all 5* constellations are bait, but, in my opinion, gaining access to a more smooth rotation in Zhongli teams is a nice bonus, expecially if you use him often.
A Zhongli rotation is just hold E, swap out. His C2 is just for co-op.
Yea I love Zhongli C2. Both useful in single or coop mode specially when you use him as DPS.
@@TheCheeseman1983 exactly not! And that's why it is so surprising. Zhongli can easily be built as Burst DPS, but only with C2 it is viable. It is written in full detail on KQM Zhongli Guide.
Yoimiya c2= 25% pyro dmg bonus
Keqing c6= 24% electro dmg bonus
JUSTICE FOR KEQING
She's standard
@@animestream1013 that makes her harder to get
@@animestream1013 yeah, I'd be ok with it if it was non standard C4 vs a standard C6, but still being edged out by a C2? that's not even fair anymore
And its not even always 24% since its difficult to tell when the dmg is getting stacks, so at most you are getting 12% most of the times ☠
childe who doesnt get anything from entire C6:
Wait so people were angry at C2 Raiden cause it was so early??? Or cause it was so op in general? Because hating it cause it's so early like... Makes no sense. If you're not gonna spend it doesn't change anything for you anyways, but it does make saving up for it way easier and if you want to spend a bit you don't have to spend much to get it. Raiden is super strong on c0 already so like-
Back when she was released, people thought Raiden was a main DPS with a lil bit of utility, only to realize her pre C2 personal damage was very mediocre which gave an early sentiment of her being bad overall at C0 and therefore NEEDING her C2 to be an actual unit. Of course once people started to fiddle with her more, they realized how broken that "little bit of utility" actually was, found out rational team etc, and realized how good she was even with "meh" damage, so the sentiment didn't last.
If you think she's strong it's c0 then you have no idea how ludicrously strong she is at C2. That being said people are just upset about it because it made them actually spend money
Majority of people thought pre-C2 Raiden's damage was meh and that you need C2 and above to play her as DPS
For many people, it's better to have something *definitely* out of your reach (C6) than having something dangled in front of your eyes and then telling you you're gonna need to spend "just a few hundred bucks" to get it
Her C2 was originally her C4 when leakers first datamined her kit, but later before she was released they swapped them around.
It's funny how you have to decide whether you get 2 character constellations or just one copy of their signature weapon depending on your luck.
In Raiden's case it's pretty obvious which one is better value.
Not for me 😭 which is better???
Catch is insane on Raiden to the point that she doesn’t want her sig if she has The Catch.
@@hexi9595 Catch is super good on Raiden. But it’s definitely not on par with Engulfing Lightning
@@rottingmaggots In terms of a strict power to primogem value, I would argue yes. Although that extra power might be unnecessary to clear the abyss, so it could go both ways. This is coming from someone with a C3 Raiden and I don’t usually pull for 5* constellations.
Go for the weapon
Funny thing with C2 Klee is that it wasn't deemed as broken before because there was only Jean and Sucrose who can reliably suck up the mines towards enemies, which was wonky and a hassle. You sometimes have to rely on enemy stepping on the mines to apply it as well.
But now we have Kazuha who can suck those mines and apply that defense reduction reliably, and add Kazuha's own VV shred + buffs, it amounts to ridiculous damage amplification for the whole team, most notably on mono-pyro setups. They pretty much indirectly buffed C2 Klee via Kazuha and its abusable and borken AF now.
So that's why they gave Klee and Kazuha a rerun together...
Anemo Traveler can suck them up too, right?
As a klee main with c2, It works so well when I'm playing klee with friends. All I gotta do is spam the heck out of my jumpy and hope they keep walking into them while my high level friends just attack with their strong characters.
Note: I have a level 70 klee that does barely 1k dmg with dodoco tales boost, so I mostly just rely on my friends in coop and elemental reactions in solo. That doesn't stop me from being a klee main tho and the fact she is my only character that does 1k XD
There’s no shame in letting ur friends carry you! You’re most definitely pre AR55 from the sounds of this post so I hope you can improve your builds soon and hope you’re having fun playing the game c:
Honestly that sounds super cool and like fun ^^ I’m a Klee main who spams jumpy dumptys because idk why xd (C0)
@@urlocalhamster5492 o
How are you a Klee main with only lvl 70 Klee?
albedo's c2 gives you a tiny yellow flower floating around you so 10/10 broken
Agreed
Explain, I don't get it
I think early powerful constellations are pretty beneficial, honestly. It absolutely does entice you more to spend, but for those who do it feels like a nice boost early on rather than a painful slog through mediocre trinkets until you reach an actual upgrade, like with Xiao. It makes no sense for constellations to start out weak and improve linearly as you go down, as that would be bad for everyone. Throw a strong one in there at 1 or 2, make it feel worth it and not like wasted pity.
yes it’s definitely nice but it’s also important to consider the sheer dps increase. when an “early” constellation is literally game breaking people will feel the need to pull more, and since in-game primogem sources are limited they will likely spend actual money. but it is not an early constellation, as none of them are, just due to the amount of primogems (and real life money) you have to spend to even get a single copy. since it’s not gigawhale worthy it feels like it should have been part of her initial kit, but it’s not. it’s clearly just bait to get people who only have the resources for “early” constellations to still spend tons of money because of how rewarding it is even if they had never even spent any before. if it was a c6, nobody would feel pressured to get the constellation because it would feel out of reach and excessive, but oh well it’s just a c2 might as well get it. might be silly and pull for c3 for burst damage too
@@witchhazel8648 Never go for constellation for 5 star. Even though it feels tempting to go for that c2, that 30% dmg increase, I think c1 is as far as I go unless I get lucky.
You don't need cons for any five star. Not even five star weapons for that matter. Or even five star characters in the first place. Game is braindead toddler levels of easy, everything dies in half a rotation with a mediocre team built in 1.0 and it will always be that way. Until there's an actual challenge in the game, nothing is worth even doing in this game. In fact events and exploring are pretty pointless too, as all you get is primos to pull with and materials to upgrade, when it's not needed. As a "game", it makes no goddamn sense. If any other game adopted this philosophy it'd die in a week. I don't get the support this shit gets, it makes billions yet can't implement an endgame for people that want it so everyone is happy because of "anxiety" 🙄
@@taylon5200 Nice copypasta, loser
@@taylon5200 this comment is a whole load of circus i won’t even try and digesting
As someone who has C3 Eula on my main and accidentally got her at C0 on my alt in her rerun, I can confirm that her C2 makes a massive difference if you're using her as a hypercarry. You can keep pale flames buff up 100% of the time and never have to worry about being able to properly set up your burst. Plus more mini-nuke.
I want Eula 😢 isn’t she the top dmg dealer in the game??
@@cutee1703 She can do the highest single numbers but my Hu Tao seems to kill a little quicker. Eula is still my favorite though and is criminally underrated.
@@cutee1703 in terms of actual damage in a full team shes on the lower end of 5 star dpses, but unlike someone like ayaka and ganyu she has a lot of potential to get better if they ever release physical specific supports. her lack of reaction really inhibits her from the constant high damage of other characters.
I started properly playing in 2.3 and I just loved the design of itto I was also fairly new at the time and didn't know the wishes would be that limited so I grinded and kept pulling on the itto banner and managed to get C2 his weapon and C6 Gorou nowadays I'm way more careful and would rather roll for more characters than constellations but I don't regret C2 itto at all he's a lot of investment but I think it was worth it overall since I do a lot of damage in the abyss I'm now looking forward to next patch since I can add Albedo to this team and have the ultimate Geo team
Or work, earn enough to get both. :P
I joined 2.3 too and got Qiqi. I'm actually greatful that I did because I didn't unlock Inazuma up until a month later and since then Qiqi has been my only standard banner character. I've been winning 7 50/50s since 2.4.
I still use him in Abyss and he's still great. Only complain is his noodle arms. They did his body dirty. AlHaitham is a hot daddy with buff arms why they didn't do the same to Itto 🥲
Eyy a fellow Itto lover! I would love to c2 him but I only just got him and his weapon last rerun so gonna wait for his next rerun. In my case I find it difficult to build many characters so I'm considering getting cons for my mains instead but it depends if I like the future characters. Good luck and hope you got Albedo! Happy to get him and now my mono geo team is complete
I like your topic, I have also noticed that Hoyo is trying to increase character's capabilities in c2 + increasing the c3 skill for dolphin's satisfaction. This is their way of selling the characters. Like for Nilou and Nahida, (spoiler), we can say that they have very good C2s and will further increase their capabilities at c3 to c6.
Nahida C2 is like utterly broken if you look at what her purpose is. Crit on reactions, like wth man thats insane on Dendro, given that this specific element is all abt reactions
As a constellation considerer, this is really helpful for me. A perfect time even.
adding onto this: I’d put nilou’s c2 about where shenhe’s is. with shit loads of hp and even without her signature weapon, it means you don’t really need to be running deepwood dreams in your party.
as someone who absolutely whaled on her for c6 and her weapon, that extra res decreases makes her absolutely shred enemies
solid game knowledge made this video really, really good. and I agree about constellations, I value ones that decrease cooldowns, increase durations, add charges, etc. because they change the gameplay however slightly over just a boring old damage increase
making C2 strong instead only C6 is good IMO
Yes, I know it is designed to trick you pay more, but as if the rest of the game hasn't already done that =)))
now what makes me say it's good is how fast some character gets rerun recently, so you can get your hand on C2 "easier"
Yeah it's for "low" spenders obviously.
@@chaosinfernoid9008 technically, f2p can get a 5 stars character every 2 patches (90 pull) and a guarantee their character every 4 patches (180 pull)
and this math is at your worst luck that needs 90 pull for a 5 stars character
so with careful planning, you can get c2 without spending any money in their second rerun (if you got that character during their first banner)
@@mikofanboy9711 yup, thats how im getting my C2 raiden when she comes back in a couple Patches.
@@mikofanboy9711 good point, but who would spend 180 wishes more just on a single character as a f2p? that seems kinda a waste in all honesty, even if the character is so ‘broken’ whatsoever
@@xaurui because they like them?
5 stars is not necessary to clear the game so f2p spend their wishes on characters they like (this includes their con)
Being free to play in a gacha game always mean you have to accept that you can't collect everyone right away, meaning being a collector is already not a option, so instead of trying to get everyone, they can focus on 1 or 2 characters they like and unlock their con via saving and rerun
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Also, 180 is the worst luck possible
Normally, nobody gonna actually hit the 180 mark while pulling :v
Holyyy the quality of this video is actually broken! Great job man, and to the editor who puts a lot of work!
Kazuha c2 is easily the best
I actually really love powerful C2 five stars. The reason is I'm not a whale and I'm probably never ever ever going to get a C6. Characters like shen pretty much operate the way I want them to with their C6 and that just feels bad. It feels so bad that I'm probably never going to get her because I'll have that looming in the background. The strong C6 five stars should have been reserved for the standard banner.
I do like c1/2 being broken because I can get those on reruns. In my case: I unlocked Hu Tao and Raiden on their first banner, Homa and englufing in the second and C1 Hu Tao on the third while now saving for Raiden. This way even after having her lv 90, triple crowded with a great set I still know there's room for improving and more important: I know it's double.
I see Raiden's C2 in a different way. C2 is broken. But is it necessary? No. Might be just me but I think her damage is already good enough, and even better than some other units for on field, with just C0 and The Catch. After all we have a broken Emblem set, her burst mechanics and passive all for increasing burst damage. And you stand on Bennett's Circle as well. You have Xiangling and Xingqiu. So why would I even be tempted by a C2 that's overkill.
C2 is probably just for that Hypercarry Raiden.
C0 is completely enough, well atleast for what we have now (spiral abyss). If theres no endgame content other than that, or mihoyo not planning to add the floor, then c2 is definitely unnecessary
@@Mavis549 True. i even Hypercarried with Raiden earlier even at C0.
Cons for any 5* aren’t necessary too not only raiden
Yo the video was fantastic and all but I just wanted to give you props for the RBO music. One of my favorite games and game soundtracks.
man ur videos are really high quality thx dude, I have covid rn so this is very calming
Ok, was not expecting Ragnarok Battle Offline OST on Genshin videos. 10/10
Thanks for this.
Childe and Jean are my only 5*star C1s, with Childe being my 1st fully natural 5*star.
C2 Klee is too low in your ranking, it may not seem like much, but that’s a huge DPS increase for the full team
Klee usually plays in mono pyro team w Klee Kazuha Benny and Xiangling, so Xiangling also gains a huge boost
Also it has good uptime cuz Klee has 2 charges for her Jumpy Dumpty
As a Klee main, I suggest every single Klee owner pulls for C2
I’d say it should be on par with Ayaka’s C2
Though C2 Ayala unlocks her melt build with sunfire Jean and this shit is really powerful too
The only 5 star (aside from the standard ones) I have with C2 are the archons. Yes, when I got C2 zhongli, I decided to get C2 Raiden and Venti's cons as well. Zhongli C1 was also my first limited 5 star constellation, which was purely by luck and then I saved up for his c2.
The reason many 5* now have good C3s is because they realized, probably with data, that C2 is the stopping point for many people.
For example, if you luck into C1 your FOMO really kicks in if you know the next constellation will be one of the best.
As a BP+Bless player constellations don't interest me, as I would rather have another 5*, than 10-25% more damage. But for low-spenders, I think, having a good C2 is much nicer than packing everything into the C6.
I really appreciate good early cons. It feels like you're actually getting something for all the money or time you're spending on this game. C2 is 300 dollars on a good day and 500 on a bad day (USD). That's a lot of freaking money for a character. For my free to plays, if you are getting cons bless you and your patient soul. That has to have taken so long. My instant gratification brain could never. I personally don't roll for cons. Cyno broke the rule for me to get a C1 as I had spare primos sitting around but if you're paying cash like that... It should feel rewarding.
as someone who as a C2 kazuha, it really is OP like the swirl damage and the buff he gives is just wow, I didn't even plan to get him to C2, I was pulling for heizhou and he showed up twice in a row
Since C2 Ayaka sub-bursts count towards the ICD on her burst, having C2 actually allows Ayaka to melt most of her big burst ticks. Which is strong and also completely impossible if the enemy decides to move. It's an interesting aspect tho imo
Ayaka's burst applies so much cryo I think u can only really melt on a pyro hypostesis or smth
@@davidecimino7112 I think Xiangling with on-field Klee in her burst is enough
@@Ironsuaba At that point just don't use klee and melt with Xiangling which is a 2x multiplier instead of a 1.5x xD
You also get to unlock the ayaka hutao team which is kinda busted
kokomi c2 is amazing in co-op because no one ever wants to get near your jellyfish
also the only time i've won 3 50/50's in a row was getting c2 klee so i may be bias in thinking it's an amazing constellation and worth getting if you use her as a main dps. makes spiral abyss mad easy and getting 80k charged shots with no reactions is always fun. can't wait to go for her (quite literal) C4 >:)
Not all people use c2 kokomi but it's c0 kokomi is f2p
I have c2 raiden shogun i got engulfing
I love Raiden, straight whaling to C3 on her first banner. I really enjoy it
Same. Went to C3 and got Engulfing Lightning. Still one of my favorites to play!
she’s very satisfying to play at C3R1 but definitely predatory
@@witchhazel8648 Heck yeah, she’s predatory. She can hunt me anytime!
Same but me with Ayaka. Whaling c3 bcos i love her
@@bsplashing You have excellent taste, friend. Ayaka is the only other character I’ve whaled on, took her to C6. No regrets, I wanted her since 1.0 and she’s still one of my favorites to play, alongside Raiden (and Keqing and Ganyu).
I rolled on raiden on her first banner, liked her, then saw her c2 and was like "yeah, no way"... i ended up pulling for it on her rerun, got really lucky as a f2p
I got C2 from not having her in 160 pulls on the current Raiden rerun. I knew abt the brokenness as C2 unit but I mainly got her becuz I wanted Sara cons and my luck didnt fail me somehow
I once met a super-helpful Zhongli player. He was C2 at least, judging by the supplementary shields he was providing us. I asked for a Kokomi (I usually do) when fighting Raiden weekly boss, and here he was removing the need for a healer. His shields were strong, and he was sending meteors down so frequently!! Mr Zhongli user if you read this, know that I am super stoked for your presence and assistance!
I know the songs you used. That's some good taste for gaming music. Ragnarok Battle Offline OST is amazing.
Always love to hear others appreciate those soundtracks as well! especially RBO, a hidden gem even among the already small group of RO fans.
The editing and content is fire 🔥
Those late 5 stars are straight predatory method. By putting strong early cons, it urges low spender to spend more. Right now, i won't get early cons if it's benefits only at it's character dmg. But i'll pull if it works like somekind of buff for my roster like C2 Kazuha, or game changing mechanics like C1 Hu Tao (and that's still if i love the character so much).
It would be great to see similar video, but just considering constelations overall, C1-C6 and how much more broken do the characters get with them all.
Yelan on top for sure
11:10 not only is it broken as is, Cyno's C1 increases his attack speed, which further solidifies his C2's brokennes... Mihoyo really making 5 stars have their power locked behind cons a lot lately...
(just a technical thing: could you lower the bg music a tiny bit? at minute 9 it was kinda distracting... thank you for the video tho, it was interesting, although I don't think I'll ever pull for a C2 of a 5* lol I only have Diluc up there just because he loves me that much apparently)
Eula's C2 is amazing! Especially with C1 and Pale Flame P4 as you can have 100% uptime on both the C1 buff and Pale Flame buff.
Not to mention a fully charged skill hits hard and reduces physical defense. Being able to use it more often makes overworld even more trivial. You did her dirty here.
I certainly prefer the "all or nothing" mentallity with constellations. I would rather a few characters needing me to spend very heavily to pull all copies than almost always feeling obligated to add another copy or two to already premium characters to get all functionality out of them. C6 being broken makes some kind of sense(or as much sens as anythign can make within the context of gacha), it feels like a reward that not many will really see and so isn't something taken into that much account when evaluating the character. From my perspective as someone who has no issues spending, feeling a need for another copy or two for some 5*'s is annoying, but most players save and budget and plan for 5*'s, I can't imagine how shit it feels to go through that and then need to pull multiple copies to get full use out of the character.
As a diehard Xiao main (he’s the reason I started playing Genshin to begin with lol), I actually appreciate his c2 for a pretty unusual reason lol. I have always paired him with Jean (even before I had her at C4) but her energy gain is abysmal. So I chain Xiao’s skill and then funnel all the particles to Jean. Because of Xiao’s C2 I’m able to reliably refill BOTH of their bursts at the exact same time AND have the added benefit of activating Jean’s C2! I don’t have Faruzan yet, but hopefully I can figure out a smooth triple Anemo rotation when I do
I love this kind of video, kinda refreshing
Personally C2 isn't effective whale-bait for me. For me C2-C6 on event 5* is the same thing, so for all I care they could all say "Auto-Clear Abyss with 36*"
What I do dislike is having gameplay features locked behind them, but stuff like Raiden's C2 doesn't really matter to me. Especially since despite the opinion at the time, C0 is still great.
Great C1s bother me more because it's an easier sell (just skip one character or "just" spend like 150€) and I have seen people pull C1s in a single multi, which makes me jealous and salty because it gives that feeling of "It could've been me"
Personally for me a new character, even a 4* one, is worth more than any constallation.
I tend to get bored of playing a character around the same time as I reach Friendship 10.
My biggest regret is still getting C1 HuTao, just because 90% of the time I need to use Pyro nowadays, I'll choose Yomiya due to her being easier to use and I haven't played her as much.
I wish there was a way to trade in characters for primos because I definitely have regrets for some of the 5 stars I pulled 🤣
Yoimiya c3 haver here!
Yoi's c2 can stack actually! My current Yoi has 46.6 pyro dmg bonus. I did an experiment when I got her c2, and instead of just capping at 71.6 (+25), it went up to 91.6. (which is actually less than it should be, 96.6). She has 64.3 crit rate, and she crits pretty often, almost every other hit.
6:55 onwards.... That background music, it sounds so familiar. Which game was it from? I can't seem to recall. EDIT: Nevermind, I just remembered it. It's from Ragnarok Battle Offline. The track is called "Sanctuary of the Sleeping Dead".
You got it! The second was also from RBO as well
The editing is so silky, love this kinda video
I like it, it's something to look forward to. I say that as a bp/welkin player.
Yelans cons are cracked and Nilous C6 is insane it is 30% crit rate and 60% damage for a con. That is like a free crit rate and crit damage artifact you get to use at the same time without using up an artifact slot. That is a decent damage increase while having free artifact slots for HP and EM.
Funny how Ratheil actively avoided trying to pronounce Tighnari's name, which is completely understandable lol
I'm that lonely guy at a party meme saying "They didn't know I have c2 Raiden"
Good video! :)
Can you do an updated "How many C(x)s are broken since we've gotten a lot more characters lately?"
Amazing video idea and the editing is fantastic I'm here for a sub
I got Zhongli C2 for co-op but it ended up being really comfy for having a quick option to get a shield
Made using trial C0 Zhongli in an event feel less smooth to me when I used his burst and didn’t get shielded
i liked when characters had constellations like ganyu and xiao because then i wasnt delusional, wanting to get c2 with my f2p primogems
Having bad constellations and therefore not needing them also has its perks for helping with resisting temptation as F2P
Great vid! You should do a c1 edition imo!
Something you're not considering for Yoimiya's C2 is that it adds additional Pyro damage, along with her A2 passive.
With all this Pyro damage bonus added to her kit, it makes it more favourable to run an EM sands with ATK goblet for her Vape comps, without losing out on DPS potential from the normal ATK/DMG/CRIT setup.
Kazuha's C1, C2, and C6 are all pretty amazing imo.
I spent $100 for C1 on his 1st banner and then had 200 wishes saved for his second (also wanted Heizou cons at the time) my luck with Heizou cons was bad, however my Kazuha luck was insane. I got him to C5 in 200 wishes + converted starglitter, won every 50/50. Then I was on the fence about spending to try for C6, but did it anyway. Only $100 + $70 for C6 is pretty nice imo.
C6 is quite fun and makes using him as a DPS much easier. I still have him on a VV set with a good amount of EM substats and an ATK, Anemo, Crit, set up with Jade Cutter though. I don't bother switching between support and DPS setup since everything dies anyway.
His c1 and c6 aren't that good
@@fr3941 c1 can make up for lack of ER
@@hellohororo1075 just go sac sword or fav sword
@@geniusaitoolfinder Pass, that would be an EM loss.
Edit: I have C2, that's why I'm saying that
@@hellohororo1075 yeah it would be pointless if you already have c1 im saying c1 isnt good to aim for
I like very strong early constellations just for the fact that you could get lucky(like my friend who wont shut up about it) where you get 2-3 copies of the character in a 10 pull. Also it being an early constellation means that if a dedicated f2p players really likes a character, they dont need to get forced to either wait for a long time to get enough primogems and reruns the get to the state they want or use their real money to get what they want
I fully agree. I understand that it's a bit of a bait for people to spend, but it's just really nice for low spenders and people who get lucky. Getting multiple copies in a 10 pull is amazing, but if the constellations are garbage then there's not much point to it. Good early constellations make it feel very rewarding
@@Akai93 i agree, I got C0 and C1 Raiden in the same 10pull and honestly, even if C1 isnt the best, it still felt amazing as F2P to even be able to get low cons for 5*s
Which is why I agree with early cons being good. It gives F2P players a goal that is accessible if you have the luck or dedication for it, becuz C6 is almost unreachable without swiping and C2 is far more accessible
i got kazuha back in the first golden apple arhipelago. i really liked his design and concept, with his skill and burst, never really liked sucrose and never got venti. he has never left my party ever since. i was f2p back then. After we got to inazuma i was so happy with my kazuha ive started to look into ways to make both him and my team stronger. ive read his c1 and liked the skill reset, but c2 was what i needed to get to over 1000 em. ever since childe rererun ive saved all of my primos for c2 kazuha, getting some welkins in the process to speed up the process. ive had so many wishes for kazuha rerun that i was still left with over 150 and decidd to get yae miko and her weapon last patch.
long story short. im so happy with my c2 kazuha and he makes the game look 10 times easier when i play genshin. although ive noticed he has some trouble with climbing, he always slips down. i dont know what that is all about
AAAHHHH THE BACKGROUND MUSIC AT 1:15 IS SO FAMILIAR BUT I JUST CANT REMEMBER IT PLEASE HELP IM LOSING MY MIND
100% getting raiden c2 when she comes back
i heard shes getting a rerun in 3.3 with scara (smc tho)
same
Such quality content.
I will say that Yae Miko's c2 is much stronger than you're giving it credit for. It's not just increasing electro damage, or adding additional damage, it's changing her base damage modifier, which results in a solid jump in damage per E shot. The added range is just icing on the cake.
For reference, at talent level 10 the totems base damage goes from 170 -> 213. Factoring in that this is applied anywhere between 10-15 times depending on your rotation, this adds up pretty fast.
sp 25% more totem dmg, like 12% total(q is from 50 to 80% total yae dps). Eh. Decent.
@@doggypoofy1390 Maybe some people's are. My Yae is C6, so my totem damage goes hard.
Currently:
- 24,000 without reactions
- 26,117 with Guilded dreams active
- 44,413 on Aggravate
- 87,988 with a full team + Aggravate. (I can push these numbers higher)
My ult doesn't exactly tickle, but with the same setup, each Tenko Thunderbolt hits for 67k~. Around 250k damage intotal on a 22 second cooldown. I only wish Yaes c6 applied to her ult as well. Would have been dope.
the song playing was from ragnarok battle offline, right?
Great video. While I do plan to roll raiden whenever she’s reran I’m NGL while C2 is busted… I’d rather roll for EL because aesthetic yes I’m a naginata fan design wise
You don't mention that Kazuha's EM buff is for the on field char + Kazuha, not party wide, like Sucrose.
I was actually just thinking about some of the C1 characters I own, and whether I wanna go for c2 or not lol. Definitely kazuha and most likely itto, because he has 100% energy recharge. I got a nice crit ratio from artifacts, but sadly that domain wasn't too nice to me so he has no ER. It's very, very underwhelming. Probably Yoimiya but she's c0 atm and I still haven't gotten raiden but c2 is just a dream for now. I got 2 Cynos in a ten pull so I take its meant for me to go to c2
I wouldn't recommend it on Yoimiya. She already gets so much bonus DMG from her skill and artifact set that 25% Pyro dmg isn't much of an improvement, not to mention that you need to get the useless C1 as well. C2 is about a 10% total damage increase.
You know another reason why people love to pull constellation for Raiden is because her C3 already up her burst lvl by 3 (which in this case is what make her deal so much dmg) that's why most people will continue to pull for her C3 after getting C2 because that's literally what will make her so OP. Also not to mention C6 Sara literally up the electro dmg bonus of the party members by 60% as well
When you will make 2024 version of this video
Eula c2 is so strong cause it allows you to get more stacks and dmg for the lower cd resulting in way more DPS
I understand the dolphin bait of significant boosts or changes to playstyle, but I think it's bearable only if the C0 playstyle is still worthwhile.
How a refresh on zhongli shield (that actually doesn't break) be so much better than free Childe free Energy? Like if you are playing Xingqiu you doesn't need him at 200 ER if Tartaglia actually does as a battery, allowing him permaQ+ occasionally energy for the team
I have c2 Venti, and I feel like this was made for early 1.0 Genshin days when they were still learning how to make 5* characters. I think they conceived Venti at first as a possible baby's first DPS for early game. All his c2+ cons read like small personal damage spikes and improvement of his battery. That's why the weird phys dmg shred, just in case you wanted to play shotgun Venti like phys Fischl. Or the triple charged arrows of his c1. It's a pointless cons tree for support swirl EM Ventis.
Now about his c2 shred and after me using it a lot, again, it's definitely made for his personal dmg since you do E-Q with him, so you activate the second shred and hopefully the lighter mobs might get sucked while in the air. Now using it with Xiao is... doable, sure, but with the team rotations and burst animations it's way less than 10 seconds of shred you're getting for Xiao's burst. You can get a little improvement in the first plunges but that's it. The anemo shred isn't even that high (just 12%) and worse than c6 anemo traveler or c4 Jean (which most of us don't have lol), to add insult to injury. I don't regret getting it because my Venti is DPS build and his green ticks look a little thicker, but it's disappointing and difficult to use as a buffer for other anemos. Maybe it works better with Heizou since his attacks are faster and continuous? Sadly Heizou didn't want to come home so I can't test this yet
they came up with venti during a time where support wasnt even considered to be useful. i mean if you look at the tier lists from 1.0 bennett is b or c tier. now that the community has matured, hoyoverse can actually sell support and people will pay for it
@@Hoolahups I don't think that's the case. You're confusing what the community found useful on early AR (a lot of DPS and surviving simpler enemies) with the foundations Hoyo was already setting up. VV shred and Benny buff always existed but it didn't matter back then when you couldn't even farm artifacts and you didn't need to be that insanely strong. EM wasn't even a stat people wanted in general, and Venti's best build used to be atk/anemo/crit.
Even today, Venti isn't a support either. He's an off-field sub-DPS with some utility, which isn't what Hoyo expected on 1.0 probably but they approved this kind of build by making Elegy for even more team buffs and changing the EM meta for swirls (granted, that was done more for Kazuha, but it changed other anemos' builds and especially Sucrose and Venti's damage forever, and it made Venti's cons kinda irrelevant)
@@caparashon well of course hoyoverse intended him to be support/subdps, but I don't think anyone would deny that it would make much more sense if he got the support aspects of kazuha. Mihoyo knew though that they couldn't sell support right off the bat, I mean they couldn't even sell kazuha on his first run because the community wasn't matured yet. I mean if you look at 5 stars, kazuha was the first true support, and shenhe was the first 5 star support to be well received on launch. It's just hard to not throw in the little dps boosts for your first characters constellations because at the time all people wanted was bigger damage from the constellations.
@@Hoolahups Dude, you just lost me. You changed the subject, my point was that BACK IN 1.X the abyss meta was different and the players' needs were different and there was no need for supports beyond some healers. IMHO Kazuha's passive was maybe made with 2.x in mind most likely, just like we got EM Inazuman characters before dendro, or maybe as an afterthought to make him sell over other anemos.
Also sorry, you lost me at Kazuha as a real support? What the fuck? The guy's also a sub-DPS! He makes an absurd personal damage and he can delete almost anything on exploration with just one element, even as a full EM build. Hell, his c6 even make him a possible main DPS for whales. I guess some people just use him as a buffer/shredder and switch to their cracked hypercarry but you cannot be serious by saying he's the first true support. He's not. He's not like a Shenhe or a Gorou or a Sara, and that's what makes him top tier: he can do so many things including damage
Genshin is the first gacha game I've ever played that has entire kits locked behind SSR duplicates. Most other gachas are small multipliers but you have the entire kit unlocked on the first copy.
So the mere fact there's discussions about wether duplicates are necessary or not is just insane to me. Predatory doesn't begin to describe it
? most 5* are perfectly viable at C0 tho. Their entire kits aren't locked behind cons, cons enhance the abilities they already have
@@mk007__ there's a difference between perfectly viable and a complete package.
Think of it like getting Darth Vader with only his Lightsaber and force pull/ push. Force Lightning and force choke not included.
That's the problem here. Most gachas just increase the dmg or make them more efficient at something like backstabbing etc.
Genshin RIPS OUT aspects of a character design and then sells it back to you in their constellations. Their still functional, but feel nowhere near as fun without their extra copies
It is also pretty sad how normalized people seem to be taking it. Like it is perfectly fine and nothing to worry about at all
I pray you never play Honkai then because LMFAO
@@PlatinumO You could literally clear Abyss constantly with only 4*, so there's no debate here. Call me a white knight or anything, but there's no excuse of "blah blah can't beat mission boss waaaah waaaaah", since they're all pretty easy to beat if you have built them enough. With that being said, in order to C6 your 4*, you need to gacha. So imagine you actually land your 5* that's better than any C6 4*.
I prefer the power being gated behind lower cons. Doesn't matter for me lol, I am a very low spender and my only con is my keqing c1, but it makes big dps increases more achieveable in the long run for low spenders
I would say low spenders seem to have more fun playing genshin but lately I've seen both whales and low spenders get bored with the game and end up quitting. I do think whales get bored faster though.
@@joeyisabsb1 mhm! i'm really enjoying the game rn though! the key is taking lots of breaks, whenever you burn out.
Got c2 Kazuha on his first banner run, I was the only one on earth who predicted how busted he was going to be.
yae c2 actually makes her eskill to level 4 at max which is a major dmg increase since c0-c1 can only reach level 3
Song name for second half?
Raiden goes from mom punch to gigachad punch
For me broken c2 are great! (As long the characters is funtional at c0) because it givss you something else to look forward to after you have min/maxed your favorites.
My exemple: After one year of maining Raiden and still loving her, I first farmed a good set, then triple crowned her, then the engulfing at the rerun (at hard pity) and now finally her c2 for free with a bit of saving and a lot of luck. I did also main Hu Tao, but after c1 I dont feel like having much space to grow left unfortunately.
Now that faruzan is out xiaos c2 is quite okay actually. You can dash and then switch to faruzan so that she can catch the energy and xiao still gets enough
Is far much better to have a c2 strong and be able to actually unlock it then a c6 which almost nobody will want to give for (only if you are rich) . Mihoyo did well by doing that , early constellation is tempting and affordable for most of the players then c6 which means more money in Mihoyo pocket , so , is a win/win for both sides.
I understand the frustration of having a significantly weaker character because you have c0 instead of everyone having c2 but those early cons being fun and interesting makes things like accidental back to back 5 stars actually exciting opposed to characters to like Albedo and Yoimiya who I got 2 in a single 10 pull for each and those c1s are just so boring that it was impossible to even really be excited by it.
So tldr, I like the OP cons as long as long as the c0 character is competent, which someone like Raiden is.
@@Ratheil i feel like there should be a good balance between character value and potential at C0 as well as proper power in their constellations to reward going for them. Because locking too much power behind cons will upset people who cant afford to get multiple copies, where as if cons are too weak, no one would bother going for them. But the balance to get this right is quite difficult to find
We should have this series (but mainly this video) for hsr.. cause I swear everytime I new Hsr five star comes out everyone says it’s broken
Itto c2 for me is incredibly broken, thanks to it, i never have to worry about not having my burst up at all times, and given that he is absolutely broken as a dps, with his ult hitting 50-100k a hit, with the last hit at 80-140k, its really good. And ushi hitting 200k casually is really nice too.
True
What about a namecard art tierlist
Early powerful cons are good because if you want a 4* in a banner where you have the 5*, get the 5* con is not gonna hurt you to much.
Timestamps
0:26 Venti
0:55 Klee
1:41 Childe
2:10 Zhongli
3:01 Albedo
3:51 Ganyu
4:37 Xiao
4:50 Hu Tao
5:10 Eula
5:31 Kazuha
6:03 Ayaka
6:30 Yoimiya
6:52 Raiden Shogun
7:41 Kokomi
8:03 Itto
8:41 Shenhe
9:12 Yae Miko
9:48 Ayato
10:19 Yelan
10:47 Tighnari
11:04 Cyno
Whats the song called that starts when klee comes and ends whith yoimiya
the c2 for Nilou is just amazing i had to get it for my Yelan
This is a bit late for me to comment, but I personally think Nilou and Nahida's C2's are pretty busted. Nilou's shreds hydro once the sequence is finished and additionally shreds Dendro when making bloom reactions. Nahida's leaked kit shows that her C2 let's bloom reactions and Nilou's Bountiful Cores crit though they're locked at rates of 20 cr and 100 cd, and shreds def if you do the quicken reactions
I'd say Eula's C2 is more useful in case you are late on her rotation, and allows you some leeway to maximize her damage. It really more gives you a margin of error rather than a damage boost.
yelan and kazuha are my highest cons (both c2 with sig) and i have kokomi+hutao c1 because one is my fav and the other is just broken!! got yelans c2 so i can play her with hutao properly with no xingqiu (because i like zhongli+kazuha combo w her) and i got kazuha from c0 to c2 on his rerun as i enjoy playing him a lot especially with hutao and she loves em!! next one might be nahida and i might get c1 shenhe for my ayaka team too :)
thank you soo much i was just thinking abt raiden c2 if i should get it
None of the content in Genshin ask for constellations. The content is so easy, getting base c0 of any 5* can 36* abyss (which has been the endgame for the last 2 years). Throwing money for a c2 for your 15-20mins of "fun" is pretty stupid. And I am saying this as one of these stupid people and have stopped spending ever since.
@@iLAGnDC but you gotta look at things on their perspective, maybe they enjoy faster clear times and want better dps so they can enjoy the game the way THEY like it.
@@iLAGnDC I say let they play the game how they feel like it and it is a sp game if they think that con will make them have fun then let them get it I know u can clean anything with c0 5 star but have then con will change a unit all together like zhongli he c2 turn him to a good support why he c6 make him to a min healing and I feel more I can list but he came into my mind
@@emptyallen3334 Trying to justify stupid things does not make the thing any less stupid.
@@demonluck999 They can play the game how they want to but I can say what I think too. They can either ignore it, agree but do it anyway or just not do it. Throwing money at this game is stupid.
Isnt c2 eula a good constellation? With low cd, she can actually benefit a lot more from the pale flame 4 piece set
It does make it possible to keep pale flame’s effect up 100% of the time. Unfortunately, KQM is bias against Eula, so people think it’s bad.
Since I’m f2p I’m working towards raiden’s c2 gradually. I got c0 on 1st banner, pulled c1 on 2nd and now I’m hoping to pull c2 on next rerun :D
Weapon maybe on the 4th banner 😆
I got C2 from not having her on her current rerun, Ill go for weapon next rerun. As fully F2P person with some mildly concerning luck, this didnt take more than 160 pulls. But even as a C1 unit (I never got to play her as C0 cuz I got C0 and C1 in the same 10pull) she was already satisfactory for DMG and utility