Nemo always has the RECEIPTS when he makes a claim about something a church leader has said. He cites his sources more than gen conf talks do! Really enjoyed this guest appearance y'all. Lots of ideas talked about here: what does common consent mean in actual practice - when disagreeing with policy is not kosher? What would a young prophet be like? And my favorite, what could the church be if it cared more about building community under a "big tent" philosophy rather than using orthodoxy as a gatekeeping baton.
I’ve seen opposed votes in Utah before. It sent audible shockwaves through the congregation. The woman who opposed was taken into a meeting after sacrament meeting ended and the ward ostracized her thereafter. She was opposing the calling of another woman to the position of young women’s leader. She had her reasons obviously but no one cared to figure out why and the person assumed the calling anyway.
I really appreciate Nemo’s honesty. It wasn’t until he mentioned the superiority complex growing up Mormon that I realized I still suffer from it as an exmo.
The worst thing about living in a Mormon- dominated area (near Idaho Falls) is the obnoxious superiority of Mormons, especially the men. I just can't stand them. I've never before dealt with such open sexism/misogyny in my life. There passive aggression here qualifies as a Mormon pastime. Hopefully we're moving away soon!
I absolutely loved this interview. My great great whatever grandmother was 19 and left her whole family, to marry the 49 yrold missionary who converted her two months after her trek from Nauvoo to Utah as his third wife. Part of my healing with my transition out has been understanding and grieving that I would have been English not American without Mormonism. Also tanners statements at 18:40 this is a really succinct phrasing of this thank you so much 😎👏
2:30-4:06 I really appreciate hearing Nemo's experience as to why he remains a member because I've struggled with a similar battle. I like to joke that I'm still "legally mormon" when people ask if I'm still active (I'm not) since I haven't officially resigned. Growing up as a gnc butch lesbian in Idaho, I decided that coming to terms with the trauma I've endured and sharing my story with members and non-members alike gives me the unique opportunity to help further push boundaries (and maybe raise a little hell lol) in the institution I was raised in, as well as further educate others on the harmful cultures that have developed within the church. Anyway, I really respect you guys for bringing these topics to light. I know how much time, energy, research, etc. it takes to have these kinds of constructive discussions on such a public platform. Nice vid!
Just starting but what Nemo says about his ward being "an apologists dream" is fascinating to me. for a little while John Dehlin would talk on his podcast about a sort of pseudo secular, "reform mormonism" in the way ashkenazi jewish tradition has a reform strain, and it sounds like the further away you are from utah the more that sort of vision actually becomes accessible.
I got drunk for unrelated reasons, got home, ready to sleep, then you guys uploaded. Now I keep spacing out and thinking I want to touch your beautiful hair. I'll be very ashamed of this comment in the morning but drunk me wants you both to know you are gorgeous inside and out and your vids make me happy. Gn.
I joined the church a long time ago in England (Ipswich) when I was stationed there as a young member of the US Air Force. The Mormons I knew in the UK were great people and really were my family for the two years I was there. I have to tell you, even though I was young and not very wise, I'd never have joined the church had I known about the rock in the hat origin of the BOM, and many of the other I have learned in the past 10 years. I'm sure the missionaries still don't teach the real truth about the church, or even the things in the Gospel Topics Essays that the church now admits to. I left the church in 2005, and all I can say is life is great as an apostate!
I actually just got done with Devo at BYU-I a few hours ago. A Seventy came to talk and I was baffled at how many times he blatantly lied about church history in order to promote faith. He also fake cried multiple times and it's so weird to think about how obvious it all is, yet everyone there acts like the man is a god
I’m not British but I like the break from US focus in this space…saying this I’ve seen a few aussies in the exmormon space lately. It’s a lonely world when your an exmormon in Australia. All my people I was friends with and all my family are active mormons wife excepted.
I'm basically a Utah Mormon, but so nuanced at this point that I may as well be exmo AND atheist. I attend sacrament meeting to support my TBM partner. It's an uncomfortable balance. My ancestors came from England and Wales, as well as Germany and Norway.
I was a cult recruiter in the London mission from 2003-2005. I was mostly in Essex or in London. The wards outside of London were dying back then, I can only imagine what it's like now. The best ward was in Wembley (London). It was extremely diverse, and people were very close. Most of the leaders were persons of colour as well! If I had to go back to church, I'd go there.
Oxford Ward sounds very similar to my experience at UC Berkeley student and family ward. There is a freedom of belief there that I haven't experienced in wards in Utah. The Oakland stake also tries to do open forums and meetings addressing difficult questions. The wards, however, are labeled as troubled wards among missionaries and the general authorities, it was not uncommon to hear them scoff at ward members who chose to pray to heavenly father and mother or try to have less literal takes to the mythology of church history.
I actually think Nemo has a great point, and is something I've also realized lately. You see, trying to get people to leave the church is actually an unintelligent thing to do imo, and it's bc if all the intelligent and/or good people leave, then all that's left are the fundamentalist/psychotic mission president people. And no matter what we do the church is still going to exist and exert influence. Our efforts would be much better spent helping people to be more rational and authentic/transparent in the church, rather than getting to them to leave. Idk if that made sense Edit: in other words we should strive to minimize the cultish behavior rather than eliminate it
I think for a lot of people, there’s not a way for them to stay in the church without being harmed by doing so. We should encourage people to do whatever they need/want to do to live their best lives, and I think that involves leaving more often than not. It’s hard to deconstruct harmful conditioning and religious trauma when you’re constantly being retraumatized, which is the case for a lot of people.
@@ZelphOntheShelf oh yeah I agree and I get it. However, I am surprised to see that there seems to be a rather large amount of young members who are engaging with the religion in a much healthier way. For example, here at Rexburg, basically no rules are being enforced anymore, except for wearing shorts and flip-flops, as well as mohawks. It's actually really weird tbh. All of the faculty is just ignoring the opinions of the GA in regards to those kinda of rules. Everyone has beards and long hair and tattered jeans, as well as a decent amount of tattoos. I just wanna say that I'm not disagreeing you guys, I'm just saying that in all actuality, we gotta be realistic and pragmatic in that the church won't go away, and that we might want to consider that when engaging with certain people In my experience, all of my trauma from the church came from: 1. Blatant indoctrination at a young age. No actual agency. 2. High fundamentalist beliefs about the history and the POTC being a prophet, as well as a fixation on ordinances being necessary rather than symbolic. 3. The blatant lies about the history in comparison to the truth. If we can help whittle down the fundamentalism, the church won't really have very traumatizing aspects about it. The reason it's traumatizing is bc you are given no actual choices, and you aren't allowed to question. If the church as a whole was like Nemo's ward then there really wouldn't be very much trauma. Believing Joseph Smith was a prophet is harmless if you can simultaneously recognize that he succumbed to his own sexual desires, and you reject half his teachings
@@ZelphOntheShelf keep in mind that this is just my opinion at the moment. I'm always learning and growing. I think you are guys are great even though I disagree on some things, though I agree with most. I really resonate with you mission experience. I served in Argentina and had an absolute psycho as a president. I met a lot of apostles and learned how controlling and egotistical they are as well. Anyway, keep on with the good work 👍
Interesting that you mentioned Dan Jones. He's my third great grandfather. My father learned Welsh and translated numerous publications of Dan Jones. He just published On Trial in the Welsh Press, which outlines all of the arguments against the church in the 18040's and 1850's and Dan Jones' answers to them. It should be really interesting to read
I currently live in new york and i feel like it's a mix of those experiences. Theres a lot of exposure to other people, but there are also wards and such that don't have as much exposure. I've seen both ends as my stake is full of people who've all grown up together and been to the same church/school/stake all the same, but my own ward is very spread out. I don't believe there could ever possibly be something like that where people can openly oppose things, but many people in my ward are comfortable enough and exposed enough to things that it's a far less toxic environment. I feel like mormonism has the potential to be moderate, but it takes openness and straying away from the cult-like culture.
On my mission, they told us that "sacred" tithing funds were used to subsidize the missionary program. I, too, wouldn't be surprised if they were lying and actually were making money off it.
I used to live in Witney near Oxford when the Oxford LDS Church was split between a Branch and a Ward. I was the Branch President and shared the Meeting House with the Bishop of the Ward. I was, therefore, very interested to hear the comments about the current Oxford Ward.
It's interesting watching this in Oxford as well. I definitely agree it's an apologetic ward, I left the church after I first moved here, but was also pulled to Oxford because I couldn't face the church anywhere else after the progessiveness of Britannia in London. Completely out of the church in Oxford now and everywhere else and not having to live with double think is wonderful.
I once had a “salad” made of Oreos, cool whip, pudding, and canned oranges and green grapes. At least those were the things I could identify. It was served on the salad table, with the salads. Green Jello salad would have been refreshing. I have stories of snicker salad. I think it’s the same as Oreo salad but with candy instead.
I converted in 2019. Still active in the church, but I want to leave. The problem is that I immersed myself in it so much that all of my friends are in the church. I have nobody outside of it except for my family. I know I have to leave eventually. I just don't have a plan yet.
Turned out my second counselor in the bishopric have been having an inappropriate (emotional affair) relationship with someone very close to me's wife. But at the same time he raised issues about this affair to the state president they had already decided that this second counselor should be the next Bishop in the ward and so they also put a gag order on discussing it.... So when he was called as Bishop I totally opposed his ass, but it was very difficult for me to do, it was like my my brain blew up seriously, I disassociate, but within a few weeks I actually realized the whole mysterium of the church ended for me, I don't go anymore I don't believe most of what they say. What did they do you might ask?, The Stake president had put a gag order on the topic and we weren't supposed to talk about it or tell anybody, so when we opposed he brought us in and chewed our asses out (individually), took away my friend's Temple recommend and threatened that he do the same to me if I didn't keep quiet. Well I didn't keep quiet and a few months later when I moved that stake president tried to hold my records and wouldn't transfer them to the new Ward because they were trying to impose a disciplinary council LOL to kick me out of the church. They really didn't need to I left anyway
I really respect and appreciate Nemo. He simply keeps the leadership honest. The Church of Jesus Christ of LDS likes to have a reputation to be honest, so..as a former member growing up as a teen in the 1970's I have never seen such a good thorough auditing of it's origins through to contemporary history. (*Given also the internet). The LDS religion does have many good and sound teachings, however to make exclusive claims of the ultimate truth and only way back to God flies in the face of numerous truth claims.
@@NEMOTHEMORMON yes! It's mostly American professors on sabbatical and military. I'd estimate approximately 15% of the ward are Cambridge academics, the cambs YSA group has dissolved almost completely. My dad was a professor and bishop, he just stepped down and left the church along with five or six other families. It's hemorrhaging members rn, mostly American military at this point
@@ZelphOntheShelf She could at least wear a small tiara and white gloves for the broadcasts. That would add some campness and ridiculousness to the proceedings.
When it comes to spending money non-members seem rather blind. I don't know everything about the church's finances, if the church purchases all that's needed to help the needy, those who are not numbered among the needy will become the needy. At the beginning of the pandemic people began buying more food and supplies than before hand, that resulted in more people struggling to obtain food and supplies. Non-members act as if money alone is a solution, most problems in the world require more than money that the church doesn't possess to be solved. Helping the homeless as an example, we require people qualified in building homes, land and the building organisation's time. The church has no control over what else is needed, all the church can do is purchase required substances to solve the problem, then again, the needy are not the only people who require the substances.
Awesome Nemo. I'm from Bristol the UK but living in New Zealand and "Me Too" I have a difficult relationship with the church. The good and bad in the church is like a smoothie. It's almost impossible to separate the two.
In Utah if you voted opposed on sustaining the new second counselor in the primary presidency they would hear you out in private and carry on as before. If you voted opposed on sustaining the first presidency and the twelve they would have your temple recomend by the end of the day. After all sustaining the 15 is in the recomend interview. Depending on the leadership after you said your piece behind closed doors they would probably quietly release you from all your callings, and put out one of those quiet notices to auxiliary leaders that brother so-and-so is not to be called on to offer prayers, and if you didn't change your tune in fairly short order it's totally plausible that you would have a "court of love" within a few weeks time. But in reality the attract/repel forces of "the bubble" are strong enough in Utah that any one with a mind to vote opposed on the 15 will have been pushed away and/or chosen to stop participating before it ever got to the point of showing up to actually cast a vote to oppose.
British is everyone in The U.K. Few people would object to being called British. British people outside England ( Scots, Welsh, Northern Irish) might though be slightly bothered about being called English, because it's not accurate. They would understand though that foreigners might make mistakes and not make an issue out of it.
I hate apologetics from all religions in general, I would prefer people to just let each other believe what they wish to believe. From what I've seen members in America say and general history of America the church seems more controling of people. The history of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints doesn't bother me, it doesn't matter what church someone is a member of, they all have controversial issues in their history. There's a man called Ole Ivar Lovaas who founded an organisation that did things far more harmful and controversial compared to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Ole Ivar Lovaas is the founder of both Gay Conversion Therapy and Applied Behaviour Analysis Therapy. If you look at what autistic people have to say about ABA and the history of ABA, the churches don't seem to have controversial issues at all. Ole Ivar Lovaas was American, America seems so obsessed with controling other people.
What don’t we get? That Mormonism’s claims are true despite an abundance of evidence demonstrating otherwise? That middle aged religious leaders coercing children into marriage was actually ok with God? That racism was either acceptable collateral damage to God for restoring His church or that it came directly from him? I would argue that as we’ve been in the mindset you’re in-where we looked at people like us and mocked them, void of compassion, in the same way you now do-and you apparently haven’t been where we are, at least not in a way that led to an increase in understanding and empathy-that it is you who does not understand.
@@ZelphOntheShelf everyone is brain washed one way or another in this white mans world. I brain wash my kids to be kind, love one another, and help people. Basically the teachings of Jesus Christ. Imagine if everyone was brain washed to Love God and love their neighbours?? Maybe you’ll love all LDS members??
@@kareemhetaraka-brown1259 What about the billions of dollars they have? It's disgusting. First they send out missionaries to get people to join so they can collect 10% of their income like a pyramid scheme. Then they hoard billions instead of using it to end world hunger, end malaria, e.t.c That is evil to me.
That guy isn’t a Mormon he posts videos against the church 😂 I’m not a member either but he can’t say he’s a Mormon just because he was born into the church are you trying to tell us he gives the church tithing money and goes there every Sunday even when he doesn’t believe in it if he does then he’s wasting his time
I LOVE you guys, but i'm begging you... Could you please script your videos? They turn out really long, repetitive and a bit boring if you don't. Not this one un particular but in general. SCRIPT YOUR VIDEOS !!!!!
Haha, yeah. For the kind of content you guys make, I feel like it generally doesn't make sense to script it. Especially when you're interviewing someone! Some videos/channels need scripts. Not this one. Imo.
Just a heads up, 15:00 is a very jarring volume change for headphones. Appreciate the content, keep it up :)
It’s all my fault! Thanks for noting that.
Sam :)
@@ZelphOntheShelf I could never be mad at you guys, you're doing great!
Ow.
@@emophase2224 I’m not mad
Nemo always has the RECEIPTS when he makes a claim about something a church leader has said. He cites his sources more than gen conf talks do!
Really enjoyed this guest appearance y'all.
Lots of ideas talked about here: what does common consent mean in actual practice - when disagreeing with policy is not kosher? What would a young prophet be like? And my favorite, what could the church be if it cared more about building community under a "big tent" philosophy rather than using orthodoxy as a gatekeeping baton.
Thank you very much for having me on your show, it was a pleasure!
ANY TIME! 💜
I’ve seen opposed votes in Utah before. It sent audible shockwaves through the congregation. The woman who opposed was taken into a meeting after sacrament meeting ended and the ward ostracized her thereafter. She was opposing the calling of another woman to the position of young women’s leader. She had her reasons obviously but no one cared to figure out why and the person assumed the calling anyway.
I really appreciate Nemo’s honesty. It wasn’t until he mentioned the superiority complex growing up Mormon that I realized I still suffer from it as an exmo.
The worst thing about living in a Mormon- dominated area (near Idaho Falls) is the obnoxious superiority of Mormons, especially the men. I just can't stand them. I've never before dealt with such open sexism/misogyny in my life.
There passive aggression here qualifies as a Mormon pastime.
Hopefully we're moving away soon!
I absolutely loved this interview. My great great whatever grandmother was 19 and left her whole family, to marry the 49 yrold missionary who converted her two months after her trek from Nauvoo to Utah as his third wife. Part of my healing with my transition out has been understanding and grieving that I would have been English not American without Mormonism.
Also tanners statements at 18:40 this is a really succinct phrasing of this thank you so much 😎👏
2:30-4:06 I really appreciate hearing Nemo's experience as to why he remains a member because I've struggled with a similar battle. I like to joke that I'm still "legally mormon" when people ask if I'm still active (I'm not) since I haven't officially resigned. Growing up as a gnc butch lesbian in Idaho, I decided that coming to terms with the trauma I've endured and sharing my story with members and non-members alike gives me the unique opportunity to help further push boundaries (and maybe raise a little hell lol) in the institution I was raised in, as well as further educate others on the harmful cultures that have developed within the church.
Anyway, I really respect you guys for bringing these topics to light. I know how much time, energy, research, etc. it takes to have these kinds of constructive discussions on such a public platform. Nice vid!
Just starting but what Nemo says about his ward being "an apologists dream" is fascinating to me. for a little while John Dehlin would talk on his podcast about a sort of pseudo secular, "reform mormonism" in the way ashkenazi jewish tradition has a reform strain, and it sounds like the further away you are from utah the more that sort of vision actually becomes accessible.
I got drunk for unrelated reasons, got home, ready to sleep, then you guys uploaded. Now I keep spacing out and thinking I want to touch your beautiful hair. I'll be very ashamed of this comment in the morning but drunk me wants you both to know you are gorgeous inside and out and your vids make me happy. Gn.
I absolutely love Nemo and his content. This video is full of humor and I’m barely in. Thank you so much, great interview :)
Fascinating to hear about my local ward, thank you for this!
I love Zelph on the shelf and memo. What a solid collaboration. We. Want. More!
I joined the church a long time ago in England (Ipswich) when I was stationed there as a young member of the US Air Force. The Mormons I knew in the UK were great people and really were my family for the two years I was there. I have to tell you, even though I was young and not very wise, I'd never have joined the church had I known about the rock in the hat origin of the BOM, and many of the other I have learned in the past 10 years. I'm sure the missionaries still don't teach the real truth about the church, or even the things in the Gospel Topics Essays that the church now admits to. I left the church in 2005, and all I can say is life is great as an apostate!
Congratulations 👍
I love Nemo! Thanks for having him on!! This was a great interview.
Daniel the Tapir the background, making his cameo appearance! Douglas, you are a brilliant and courageous man! Thank you for sharing your experience.
Actually, that's a horse!
@@miguelthealpaca8971 correct.
Brilliant interview! Thank you 🙏!
I actually just got done with Devo at BYU-I a few hours ago. A Seventy came to talk and I was baffled at how many times he blatantly lied about church history in order to promote faith. He also fake cried multiple times and it's so weird to think about how obvious it all is, yet everyone there acts like the man is a god
That's a complete lie!
The LDS church was exciting in the 1960s and early 1970s when I attended. Correlation killed the excitement.
I’m not British but I like the break from US focus in this space…saying this I’ve seen a few aussies in the exmormon space lately.
It’s a lonely world when your an exmormon in Australia. All my people I was friends with and all my family are active mormons wife excepted.
I'm basically a Utah Mormon, but so nuanced at this point that I may as well be exmo AND atheist. I attend sacrament meeting to support my TBM partner. It's an uncomfortable balance. My ancestors came from England and Wales, as well as Germany and Norway.
The financial information that has been coming out about the church blows my mind and infuriates me
I was a cult recruiter in the London mission from 2003-2005. I was mostly in Essex or in London. The wards outside of London were dying back then, I can only imagine what it's like now.
The best ward was in Wembley (London). It was extremely diverse, and people were very close. Most of the leaders were persons of colour as well! If I had to go back to church, I'd go there.
Awesome video guys! Thank you! Nice crossover haha
Oxford Ward sounds very similar to my experience at UC Berkeley student and family ward. There is a freedom of belief there that I haven't experienced in wards in Utah. The Oakland stake also tries to do open forums and meetings addressing difficult questions. The wards, however, are labeled as troubled wards among missionaries and the general authorities, it was not uncommon to hear them scoff at ward members who chose to pray to heavenly father and mother or try to have less literal takes to the mythology of church history.
I actually think Nemo has a great point, and is something I've also realized lately. You see, trying to get people to leave the church is actually an unintelligent thing to do imo, and it's bc if all the intelligent and/or good people leave, then all that's left are the fundamentalist/psychotic mission president people. And no matter what we do the church is still going to exist and exert influence. Our efforts would be much better spent helping people to be more rational and authentic/transparent in the church, rather than getting to them to leave. Idk if that made sense
Edit: in other words we should strive to minimize the cultish behavior rather than eliminate it
I think for a lot of people, there’s not a way for them to stay in the church without being harmed by doing so. We should encourage people to do whatever they need/want to do to live their best lives, and I think that involves leaving more often than not. It’s hard to deconstruct harmful conditioning and religious trauma when you’re constantly being retraumatized, which is the case for a lot of people.
@@ZelphOntheShelf oh yeah I agree and I get it. However, I am surprised to see that there seems to be a rather large amount of young members who are engaging with the religion in a much healthier way. For example, here at Rexburg, basically no rules are being enforced anymore, except for wearing shorts and flip-flops, as well as mohawks. It's actually really weird tbh. All of the faculty is just ignoring the opinions of the GA in regards to those kinda of rules. Everyone has beards and long hair and tattered jeans, as well as a decent amount of tattoos.
I just wanna say that I'm not disagreeing you guys, I'm just saying that in all actuality, we gotta be realistic and pragmatic in that the church won't go away, and that we might want to consider that when engaging with certain people
In my experience, all of my trauma from the church came from:
1. Blatant indoctrination at a young age. No actual agency.
2. High fundamentalist beliefs about the history and the POTC being a prophet, as well as a fixation on ordinances being necessary rather than symbolic.
3. The blatant lies about the history in comparison to the truth.
If we can help whittle down the fundamentalism, the church won't really have very traumatizing aspects about it. The reason it's traumatizing is bc you are given no actual choices, and you aren't allowed to question. If the church as a whole was like Nemo's ward then there really wouldn't be very much trauma. Believing Joseph Smith was a prophet is harmless if you can simultaneously recognize that he succumbed to his own sexual desires, and you reject half his teachings
@@ZelphOntheShelf keep in mind that this is just my opinion at the moment. I'm always learning and growing. I think you are guys are great even though I disagree on some things, though I agree with most. I really resonate with you mission experience. I served in Argentina and had an absolute psycho as a president. I met a lot of apostles and learned how controlling and egotistical they are as well. Anyway, keep on with the good work 👍
Interesting that you mentioned Dan Jones. He's my third great grandfather. My father learned Welsh and translated numerous publications of Dan Jones. He just published On Trial in the Welsh Press, which outlines all of the arguments against the church in the 18040's and 1850's and Dan Jones' answers to them. It should be really interesting to read
I'm culturally Mormon with lots of British ancestry. My great great grandmother was one of those girls forced (or convinced) into polygamy.
I currently live in new york and i feel like it's a mix of those experiences. Theres a lot of exposure to other people, but there are also wards and such that don't have as much exposure. I've seen both ends as my stake is full of people who've all grown up together and been to the same church/school/stake all the same, but my own ward is very spread out. I don't believe there could ever possibly be something like that where people can openly oppose things, but many people in my ward are comfortable enough and exposed enough to things that it's a far less toxic environment. I feel like mormonism has the potential to be moderate, but it takes openness and straying away from the cult-like culture.
On my mission, they told us that "sacred" tithing funds were used to subsidize the missionary program. I, too, wouldn't be surprised if they were lying and actually were making money off it.
Hes doing all this in my old stake, im out of church now but god i want to see this happening
I love it and I watch the Nemo the Mormon often. He’s great Job! 😊. Thanks for sharing!
Jesus buys low and sells high hahaha
I hope Netflix picks up Nemo’s life as a comedy show. Telling authorities the way it is and then say yep Nemo, carry on mate.
I used to live in Witney near Oxford when the Oxford LDS Church was split between a Branch and a Ward.
I was the Branch President and shared the Meeting House with the Bishop of the Ward. I was, therefore, very interested to hear the comments about the current Oxford Ward.
It's interesting watching this in Oxford as well. I definitely agree it's an apologetic ward, I left the church after I first moved here, but was also pulled to Oxford because I couldn't face the church anywhere else after the progessiveness of Britannia in London. Completely out of the church in Oxford now and everywhere else and not having to live with double think is wonderful.
Nemo is perfect at witty British humor. Love it ❤️. Smart.
It's great to see a wonderful young couple, who have embarked on
that quest 'for TRUTH' in this 'world of 'Darkness'!!!!!🙂
I once had a “salad” made of Oreos, cool whip, pudding, and canned oranges and green grapes. At least those were the things I could identify. It was served on the salad table, with the salads. Green Jello salad would have been refreshing. I have stories of snicker salad. I think it’s the same as Oreo salad but with candy instead.
I've never heard about the British missionary thing! Tell me more! :)
I would attend church and give people alternative view but I don’t want them to teach my kids and they’re still under the age of 10 so
i think that's an entirely legitimate reason!
I converted in 2019. Still active in the church, but I want to leave. The problem is that I immersed myself in it so much that all of my friends are in the church. I have nobody outside of it except for my family. I know I have to leave eventually. I just don't have a plan yet.
Good to start exploring new social settings even if it’s scary! You got this!
Make some friends outside of church then leave. Through work, tennis, pottery, dog walking..whatever.
What a great interview.
Turned out my second counselor in the bishopric have been having an inappropriate (emotional affair) relationship with someone very close to me's wife. But at the same time he raised issues about this affair to the state president they had already decided that this second counselor should be the next Bishop in the ward and so they also put a gag order on discussing it.... So when he was called as Bishop I totally opposed his ass, but it was very difficult for me to do, it was like my my brain blew up seriously, I disassociate, but within a few weeks I actually realized the whole mysterium of the church ended for me, I don't go anymore I don't believe most of what they say.
What did they do you might ask?, The Stake president had put a gag order on the topic and we weren't supposed to talk about it or tell anybody, so when we opposed he brought us in and chewed our asses out (individually), took away my friend's Temple recommend and threatened that he do the same to me if I didn't keep quiet. Well I didn't keep quiet and a few months later when I moved that stake president tried to hold my records and wouldn't transfer them to the new Ward because they were trying to impose a disciplinary council LOL to kick me out of the church. They really didn't need to I left anyway
Wow!
I really respect and appreciate Nemo. He simply keeps the leadership honest. The Church of Jesus Christ of LDS likes to have a reputation to be honest, so..as a former member growing up as a teen in the 1970's I have never seen such a good thorough auditing of it's origins through to contemporary history. (*Given also the internet).
The LDS religion does have many good and sound teachings, however to make exclusive claims of the ultimate truth and only way back to God flies in the face of numerous truth claims.
The layers are controlling it all!
I love English Mormans we must support them and help them grow with birth rates
I'm from Cambridge ward, which interestingly sounds absolutely nothing like Oxford ward.
Fascinating! Do you get the high turn over of foreign academics?
@@NEMOTHEMORMON yes! It's mostly American professors on sabbatical and military. I'd estimate approximately 15% of the ward are Cambridge academics, the cambs YSA group has dissolved almost completely. My dad was a professor and bishop, he just stepped down and left the church along with five or six other families. It's hemorrhaging members rn, mostly American military at this point
Yay! Nemo rocks! I
Nemo is the best thing to ever come out of Mormonism!
I think there a many just like NEMO, great with honesty to relate truth and facts about the Mormon Church. I love it.
Wait, what did wendy nelson say?
To put an exclamation mark after anything a prophet has said and a question mark after anything “the world” ways INCLUDING SCIENTISTS
Basically to distrust everyone and everything except the prophet. Really culty stuff
This makes me feel proud to be British. Samantha is quite refined and could be a minor Royal.
Hahaha wow!
@@ZelphOntheShelf She could at least wear a small tiara and white gloves for the broadcasts.
That would add some campness and ridiculousness to the proceedings.
When it comes to spending money non-members seem rather blind.
I don't know everything about the church's finances, if the church purchases all that's needed to help the needy, those who are not numbered among the needy will become the needy. At the beginning of the pandemic people began buying more food and supplies than before hand, that resulted in more people struggling to obtain food and supplies.
Non-members act as if money alone is a solution, most problems in the world require more than money that the church doesn't possess to be solved. Helping the homeless as an example, we require people qualified in building homes, land and the building organisation's time.
The church has no control over what else is needed, all the church can do is purchase required substances to solve the problem, then again, the needy are not the only people who require the substances.
Amazing that the LDS. Hutch Ensign Peak Fund has $ 400 BILLION!!! m I wrong??? Please, let this be wrong!😳
That's devastating.
Awesome Nemo. I'm from Bristol the UK but living in New Zealand and "Me Too" I have a difficult relationship with the church. The good and bad in the church is like a smoothie. It's almost impossible to separate the two.
In Utah if you voted opposed on sustaining the new second counselor in the primary presidency they would hear you out in private and carry on as before.
If you voted opposed on sustaining the first presidency and the twelve they would have your temple recomend by the end of the day. After all sustaining the 15 is in the recomend interview.
Depending on the leadership after you said your piece behind closed doors they would probably quietly release you from all your callings, and put out one of those quiet notices to auxiliary leaders that brother so-and-so is not to be called on to offer prayers, and if you didn't change your tune in fairly short order it's totally plausible that you would have a "court of love" within a few weeks time.
But in reality the attract/repel forces of "the bubble" are strong enough in Utah that any one with a mind to vote opposed on the 15 will have been pushed away and/or chosen to stop participating before it ever got to the point of showing up to actually cast a vote to oppose.
I thought it was my phone yo turn up your microphones!!!
Normalize dissent! Yes Nemo!
"British" = Greater England. It jars on those of us who aren't English
British is everyone in The U.K.
Few people would object to being called British.
British people outside England ( Scots, Welsh, Northern Irish) might though be slightly bothered about being called English, because it's not accurate. They would understand though that foreigners might make mistakes and not make an issue out of it.
@@ThemanyfacesofegoI responded to comments made by two people who are from the UK, from England.
Nice!
Joel & Lea or Leah 2 cute Britts compare US to Great Brittany funny stuff😁
It frustrates me that people like Nemo stay in the church.
I stay at church and am having an impact . I keep sane by asking questions that are designed to provoke discussion and honest enquiry .
Why does it frustrate you?
Can I ask why it makes you uncomfortable?
I hate apologetics from all religions in general, I would prefer people to just let each other believe what they wish to believe.
From what I've seen members in America say and general history of America the church seems more controling of people.
The history of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints doesn't bother me, it doesn't matter what church someone is a member of, they all have controversial issues in their history.
There's a man called Ole Ivar Lovaas who founded an organisation that did things far more harmful and controversial compared to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
Ole Ivar Lovaas is the founder of both Gay Conversion Therapy and Applied Behaviour Analysis Therapy. If you look at what autistic people have to say about ABA and the history of ABA, the churches don't seem to have controversial issues at all.
Ole Ivar Lovaas was American, America seems so obsessed with controling other people.
Haha Gentiles. You’ll never get it
What don’t we get? That Mormonism’s claims are true despite an abundance of evidence demonstrating otherwise? That middle aged religious leaders coercing children into marriage was actually ok with God? That racism was either acceptable collateral damage to God for restoring His church or that it came directly from him?
I would argue that as we’ve been in the mindset you’re in-where we looked at people like us and mocked them, void of compassion, in the same way you now do-and you apparently haven’t been where we are, at least not in a way that led to an increase in understanding and empathy-that it is you who does not understand.
@@ZelphOntheShelf everyone is brain washed one way or another in this white mans world. I brain wash my kids to be kind, love one another, and help people. Basically the teachings of Jesus Christ. Imagine if everyone was brain washed to Love God and love their neighbours?? Maybe you’ll love all LDS members??
@@kareemhetaraka-brown1259 What about the billions of dollars they have? It's disgusting. First they send out missionaries to get people to join so they can collect 10% of their income like a pyramid scheme. Then they hoard billions instead of using it to end world hunger, end malaria, e.t.c That is evil to me.
That guy isn’t a Mormon he posts videos against the church 😂 I’m not a member either but he can’t say he’s a Mormon just because he was born into the church are you trying to tell us he gives the church tithing money and goes there every Sunday even when he doesn’t believe in it if he does then he’s wasting his time
Prophets for Profit
Exactly, it's sickening.
I LOVE you guys, but i'm begging you... Could you please script your videos? They turn out really long, repetitive and a bit boring if you don't. Not this one un particular but in general. SCRIPT YOUR VIDEOS !!!!!
Like it’s easy!
It's just part of the job.
I like it because it’s not scripted!
We don’t get paid enough to have enough time for that 🙈
Haha, yeah. For the kind of content you guys make, I feel like it generally doesn't make sense to script it. Especially when you're interviewing someone! Some videos/channels need scripts. Not this one. Imo.