3:20 the overlords werent in his control group, he just wasnt using control groups - thats just a clickbox around whateve units was available and overlords was floating above it
11:12 the biggest tip for me was the TPM. If anyone has watched Bronze League Heroes, you know what that means. 😂 Love the show Harstem! Keep up the good work!
@Christian S but what if it's Alt account at lower league? Hamster just tell them that opponent barcode is Florencio but he's on alt account which means it could be anywhere below like master 1
Yeah, i think by season 3 he shouldn't fall for it still. If a player does the same cheese every game they get good at it, especially something simple as sending out a probe at the right time.
There's a real bias towards getting good quickly at playing aggro and cheese too, because you're in and out of games much faster. We see this with card games all the time. You know that you've won very early, or you know that you've lost very early, so reaching either point is comparatively quick meaning you can get more practiced at it than other playstyles get the chance to become good at theirs.
About game 3: It is funny that I've built the Dark shrine as a bait (In don't think that I've built a single DT at all) to force out more cannons against Immortals. It also tricked Harstem too. And I wasn't up a base, the 3nd one in the corner didn't had workers because I had to react to constant Void spam. And yeah my opponent do cannon rush every single time. He was really pissed of after he loosed this game. Edit: I watched the segment again. It almost like that Harstem guessed the red player.
@@ingainloggningsnamn same. Plat 2. But he was a one trick pony. Looking into his mach history and his build orders he doing nothing else just cannon rushing. You can see the end result. If it goes well, he won, if something messes up his rush he loose.
Imo Irene and GGG should be in joint 3rd place and Serral 4th (like how it worked in season 2) but I could understand not wanting to go to the trouble of an extra tiebreaker episode. If Astrea wins it'll be fitting for a Protoss to end the Reign of the Swarm.
18 points today. 2 really good guesses. And two that weren’t. I need to be more consistent. . . . Round 1: S2 (9 points) - Initially, I was going to guess much higher. Red’s APM over 300 and seeing eggs in control groups?!?! But then…the eggs were overlords. And then the amount of minerals being floated. And I’ve spiked over 300 APM and been stuck in Silver. Round 2: S2 (0 points) - I feel like this was a blocked cheese that turned into a snoozefest, with slow production and not much going on. I was about to throw in the towel after the first round, I’m glad I didn’t. Round 3: P1 (2 points) - Unlike the previous game, this was not a snoozefest. There was stuff going on, and the cannon rusher was still active. It’s definitely somewhere between gold and diamond. Astrea’s reaction to this round was my reaction to Round 2. Round 4: G2 (7 points) - I just feel this was between the two previous rounds. I was wrong. Next Week: I predict next week’s winner will be a Dutch man named Kevin.
I can see harstem going in to the tournament cannon rushing astrea because he said he didn't have a good response and then faking because he knows that astrea remembers that he said he didn't have a good response against it thus mind gaming himself out of a cannon rush and losing a map when he could have just cannon rushed
Dear Harstem, I have a fan request: you coach/manager... TLO (pause for cheering)... I think he would be a great guest for an interview, rank roulette - or if I'm to dream big: a show match.
i never saw u guys be more bad then the 2nd guess xD i was arguing between bronce and silver and was SHOCKED u guys said platin xD they nedver moved away workers, the terran had 2k with 50 supply ... when one of the players just build 20 regular units a move he would have won ... it was a SILVER HIGH and probably i would have guessed silver 3 since i not expected bronce to send repalys but it felt very bronce xD
Just wanted to ask Harstem or Hamster or anyone who knows, but in the form with all the individual scores, what does the points in brackets mean and what do the points outside of the brackets mean when looking at the points in the standings? And which is more significant of the two?
As terrible as I normally am at this game (usually in the 15ish points) I have to gloat on a 0,0,1,0 score. I have to quit watching now as I have reached the pinnacle of rank roulette proficiency and it is only downhill from here.
For the round 2 how u know if a player is bottom gold or less is The turret and planetary for no purpose at all . Terran low gold like turret for turret .
I did pretty good this time I went Plat 2, Gold 1, Plat 2, Diamond 3. 10 points. I’m pretty happy with that. I was very close to Astreas Plat 2 strategy lol
I was shocked by cannon rusher being plat2. Just the fact that you can do 2probe, one hiding first pylon+cannon and then showing up wins games so much in master that it's hard to imagine it being below dia. Red going 4 cannons above cliff at nat was probably the weakest part. But reasonable proxy nexus into recall and that start of cr really fooled me to think it could be up to m2.
I would add 5 points to each for that mirror matchup rankings, its obviously TvT > PvP > ZvZ, TvT actually looks like a game of starcraft, not like a 2 drunkards trying to stab each other with a knife
My guesses: 1. Diamond 2 - 2 2. Gold 2 - 6, I think this guy is silver 1 or gold 3 after seeing that rank honestly, not in a smurf like way but just I don't think he's staying in silver 2 for very long 3. Diamond 2 - 10, Wow I really don't like that red player, offensive GGs are the dumbest things ever. 4. Masters 3 - 14
Not sure if it's because they are too busy talking but they are missing so many obvious give-aways. IIRC I would have won every single round they played so far. The micro-tells generally make it quite easy to roughly tell apart the leagues. I think instead they have a tendency to overfocus on "this build makes sense". But a diamond and gold player can easily have somewhat similar builds as each other whereas the unit movement will look very different.
It's not a spoiler. A secret strategy intended to procure a win doesn't necessarily succeed. In other words, a strategy to win is not necessarily a strategy that has won.
That fourth game pisses me off... How is he diamond 2!? Doing a cheese and not even microing the 3!!! fighting units he has. Wtf man... That game gave me 6 points and that is how I ended up at 10.
3:20 the overlords werent in his control group, he just wasnt using control groups - thats just a clickbox around whateve units was available and overlords was floating above it
11:12 the biggest tip for me was the TPM. If anyone has watched Bronze League Heroes, you know what that means. 😂 Love the show Harstem! Keep up the good work!
Since covid trying out sc2. Then watching esports. Then watching casts. Harstem had become the face of sc2
The final challenge should be guesing the rank of someone playing against Florencio.
Would just be low masters or high diamond though 🙂
@@ChristianSandviknes That's only clear if you show Florencio's user name though.
@Christian S but what if it's Alt account at lower league?
Hamster just tell them that opponent barcode is Florencio but he's on alt account which means it could be anywhere below like master 1
Harstem was off this episode. His guesses are usually so on point. It's rare my guesses are better but this episode i crushed it by comparison.
you were sure he was dedicated cannon rushers yet surprised by his good timing for his level.
Yeah, i think by season 3 he shouldn't fall for it still. If a player does the same cheese every game they get good at it, especially something simple as sending out a probe at the right time.
One trick ponys get really far in the ladder sometimes
If you have a 60-70% winrate with a build but lose if it doesnt work you will still climb high
There's a real bias towards getting good quickly at playing aggro and cheese too, because you're in and out of games much faster. We see this with card games all the time. You know that you've won very early, or you know that you've lost very early, so reaching either point is comparatively quick meaning you can get more practiced at it than other playstyles get the chance to become good at theirs.
About game 3: It is funny that I've built the Dark shrine as a bait (In don't think that I've built a single DT at all) to force out more cannons against Immortals. It also tricked Harstem too. And I wasn't up a base, the 3nd one in the corner didn't had workers because I had to react to constant Void spam. And yeah my opponent do cannon rush every single time. He was really pissed of after he loosed this game.
Edit: I watched the segment again. It almost like that Harstem guessed the red player.
I guessed Masters 2. I haven't seen the results yet, only that Astrea thought Plat 2 lol
LOoooooooool he was right!
What rank was the cannon rusher though? I was also thinking of him. :P
@@ingainloggningsnamn same. Plat 2. But he was a one trick pony. Looking into his mach history and his build orders he doing nothing else just cannon rushing. You can see the end result. If it goes well, he won, if something messes up his rush he loose.
Imo Irene and GGG should be in joint 3rd place and Serral 4th (like how it worked in season 2) but I could understand not wanting to go to the trouble of an extra tiebreaker episode. If Astrea wins it'll be fitting for a Protoss to end the Reign of the Swarm.
I'm looking forward to a final where Astrea guesses plat 2 every time and wins.
18 points today. 2 really good guesses. And two that weren’t. I need to be more consistent.
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Round 1: S2 (9 points) - Initially, I was going to guess much higher. Red’s APM over 300 and seeing eggs in control groups?!?! But then…the eggs were overlords. And then the amount of minerals being floated. And I’ve spiked over 300 APM and been stuck in Silver.
Round 2: S2 (0 points) - I feel like this was a blocked cheese that turned into a snoozefest, with slow production and not much going on. I was about to throw in the towel after the first round, I’m glad I didn’t.
Round 3: P1 (2 points) - Unlike the previous game, this was not a snoozefest. There was stuff going on, and the cannon rusher was still active. It’s definitely somewhere between gold and diamond. Astrea’s reaction to this round was my reaction to Round 2.
Round 4: G2 (7 points) - I just feel this was between the two previous rounds. I was wrong.
Next Week: I predict next week’s winner will be a Dutch man named Kevin.
Damn... Harsh on them replays today xD
Can we please get last season's community winner on the show as well please?
This is why i keep refreshing youtube
Been going through some rough times and this made my day for sure (I'm the toss from the second game). Thanks!
Plantary at natural is always gold or lower.
I run into it semi-regularly at Plat 1/Diamond 3. Of course I'm in NA so my games are probably 2 leagues higher than it should be everywhere else.
@@SaulGoodman3D2049 you are down in both mules and 150 gas with that strategy. You are pretty behind already.
Go Astrea~!
A traitor to the captain. We’ll have you walking the plank by tomorrow.
@@ZerglingLover yarr
Would love to see Tasteless!
I can see harstem going in to the tournament cannon rushing astrea because he said he didn't have a good response and then faking because he knows that astrea remembers that he said he didn't have a good response against it thus mind gaming himself out of a cannon rush and losing a map when he could have just cannon rushed
Dear Harstem, I have a fan request: you coach/manager... TLO (pause for cheering)... I think he would be a great guest for an interview, rank roulette - or if I'm to dream big: a show match.
In case you missed it, he was on last season! th-cam.com/video/zGeoceSBjqM/w-d-xo.html
planetery as second base 2 cc chilling in the base... Only ravens.... plat 2 obviously lol
Lets go harstem!
14:46 LETS GOOOOO!
i shrieked when i saw those marines fight those tanks and that lib...........
i never saw u guys be more bad then the 2nd guess xD i was arguing between bronce and silver and was SHOCKED u guys said platin xD they nedver moved away workers, the terran had 2k with 50 supply ... when one of the players just build 20 regular units a move he would have won ... it was a SILVER HIGH and probably i would have guessed silver 3 since i not expected bronce to send repalys but it felt very bronce xD
I agree, personally I think both players turtling with towers was very obvious :)
I can juggle, but only small round objects
what's the logic behind starting with a 2 point penalty for being off by 1 rank?
There is more of a reward for guessing the exact league that way.
Yup mcanning up next 👍🏻 the all time record holder he had Smth insane 4 or 6 points lol
You're a content MACHINE!
Just wanted to ask Harstem or Hamster or anyone who knows, but in the form with all the individual scores, what does the points in brackets mean and what do the points outside of the brackets mean when looking at the points in the standings? And which is more significant of the two?
It's their worst score which is used as a tiebreaker ^^
Astrea straight just has ultra instincts. Never played before and did amazing!!,
As terrible as I normally am at this game (usually in the 15ish points) I have to gloat on a 0,0,1,0 score. I have to quit watching now as I have reached the pinnacle of rank roulette proficiency and it is only downhill from here.
Peaked!
For the round 2 how u know if a player is bottom gold or less is The turret and planetary for no purpose at all . Terran low gold like turret for turret .
I still remember when Ketroc beat InControl (rip) with a planetary in his natural and mass ravens. It can get you to GM maybe lol
I did pretty good this time I went Plat 2, Gold 1, Plat 2, Diamond 3. 10 points. I’m pretty happy with that. I was very close to Astreas Plat 2 strategy lol
I wish we could really see how some of these games end. Perhaps something at the end of the video or notes in video description.
On that second game, I feel like just spending your money even if it's on cannons it should have carried you to a higher rank than that.
I was shocked by cannon rusher being plat2. Just the fact that you can do 2probe, one hiding first pylon+cannon and then showing up wins games so much in master that it's hard to imagine it being below dia. Red going 4 cannons above cliff at nat was probably the weakest part. But reasonable proxy nexus into recall and that start of cr really fooled me to think it could be up to m2.
Can you add info about who won each game after each round.
HOLY CRAP! No way of proving it, but for the first time in 3 seasons, I got a perfect score 🤘🤣
random detection in the main means its not above silver
I would add 5 points to each for that mirror matchup rankings, its obviously TvT > PvP > ZvZ, TvT actually looks like a game of starcraft, not like a 2 drunkards trying to stab each other with a knife
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I feel pretty good about that.
Whoooo! One of my favorite players!!
"this is a very tricky one" - I need percentage of games about which he says that. Easy ones are in minority I feel.
6*4=28 very nice kevin
My guesses:
1. Diamond 2 - 2
2. Gold 2 - 6, I think this guy is silver 1 or gold 3 after seeing that rank honestly, not in a smurf like way but just I don't think he's staying in silver 2 for very long
3. Diamond 2 - 10, Wow I really don't like that red player, offensive GGs are the dumbest things ever.
4. Masters 3 - 14
Beat the Captain, congrats ^^
@@hamster_designs Thanks \o/
My Guesses: D3 0,S2 0,D1 5,G1 6. Total= 11 (paused and locked in right after replays even though I wanted to change before the reveals)
Wait, it's all Plat2? Always has been.
The last game hmm it's NA server so I'm going to with Masters 2.
lol, when in doubt plat 2 :D
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Last game is master 2, i know the player lol
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Not sure if it's because they are too busy talking but they are missing so many obvious give-aways. IIRC I would have won every single round they played so far. The micro-tells generally make it quite easy to roughly tell apart the leagues. I think instead they have a tendency to overfocus on "this build makes sense". But a diamond and gold player can easily have somewhat similar builds as each other whereas the unit movement will look very different.
I think it's Diamond 2
Is the secret strategy somehow related to spoiling the video in the title? :p
It's not a spoiler. A secret strategy intended to procure a win doesn't necessarily succeed. In other words, a strategy to win is not necessarily a strategy that has won.
USA! USA! USA! USA!
That fourth game pisses me off... How is he diamond 2!? Doing a cheese and not even microing the 3!!! fighting units he has. Wtf man... That game gave me 6 points and that is how I ended up at 10.
TvT is the worst mirror matchup? What blasphemy!
What? Round 2 was obviously silver come on!
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