This is where DC dumps all the insane ideas they'd never let into anything mainstream "serious" I'm almost certain the producers use this show to gauge what they can get away with
I think the difference is normally inconsistencies and absurd entertaining things, this was only making the Batfamily look pathetic just for the sake of a joke in a chapter that isn't even that good that joke
They should already know how to fight without weapons and gadgets. How helpless are they in this universe that they need Harley Quinn to show them how? She can kill people with just her bare hands even though she usually uses a baseball bat.
I mean, it’s kind of obvious by looking at how Batman often breaks down and how Superman didn’t hesitated sending poison Ivy into phantom zone. Consider this show as a different universe and don’t take everything seriously.
1st season was good 2nd ok but it went downhill quickly after they made her a Mary Sue It’s ok when she is an underdog but not when she is just clowning person the pun on anyone by making them dumb
And because he’s going to grocery shop since he is cutting and clipping coupons so contently and his ass ain’t gonna train without some food up in this bitch
So let me get this straight: A group of vigilantes, one who was raised by the league of assassins, and another who was raised by batman, doesn't know how to fight hand to hand?!? What did the writers smoke to make the conclusion that Harley needed to teach them? They'd have gone to an expert martial artist who knew how to train them, way more brutally and effectively than Harley could ever dream of.
@@brandonfj5811 also really so because i pointed out this stuff is pure comedy make me a jerk? If this was some serious series then that critisim is valid but here not really
Eh, more like BAtfam don't have the mental state to use normal things to fight. It's either boxing with the fighters or gadgets specific to characters. Like, I never seen any heroes fight with improvised weapons here, that's Harley's best skill.
Like everyone has said, Harley teaching the Bat crew ANYTHING about fighting is like some wash out from America's Got Talent giving vocal coaching to a world class opera soprano soloist. Like it might have been funny if Harley was getting smoked in their sparring and she starting using dirty tricks like biting and clawing and nut kicking. That'd be funny. Little Damian tossing her around easily so she kicks him in the fork because she doesn't fight clean. But her being able to 1 v 2 Dick and Barbara in an unarmed fight... cut it out.
From what it looks like she's trying to teach them how to be more reliant on themselves and be more creative like with the belt, she showed them that it could be used as a weapon to strangle someone in a fight.
@@Jassiij27 I get it... but it doesn't really make sense. Nightwing has been fighting armed criminals on the streets since before Harley went to college. I feel like they wanted to show that Harley something unique that she could share the Bat crew. That unique thing imo wasn't her improv fighting style as much as it is her berserker, throw it all in the fire, rage when she fights. Bat crew are all trained and disciplined and strategic, Harley goes nuts and is willing to self destruct to get the win. Maybe that's something she could have shown... But the scene with her showing Batgirl how to use her belt as a garotte feels like me showing a classically trained artist that you can reverse the paint brush to make dots...
@CappyK sir....Batman was arrested, the Joker is the mayor and a soccer dad, Alfred was arrested, Talia is the new Bat Daddy, and Harley is apart of the Bat crew even though she does crazy stuff like lift her shirt up for her GF flying in a d*ck rocket ship. Nothing in this f*cking show makes sense😂 you just got to roll with it!
That’s crazzyyy last time I checked the so called “washout” has a degree in psychology has professional level gymnastics has a really high iq for someone so called “washout” also has professional martial arts training and yes she is a high level also was trained by the amazons and could lift a whole entire palm tree never seen the bat family do that with there bear hands but you know anywho rlly easy to prove Harley as more than a “washout”(and even if she wasn’t trained by the Amazons in this version she is still pretty strong)
@manuelnunez5595 This is how I feel when it comes to video games, especially the Batman ones. They make her so weak unless you're playing as her like in the Injustice games. Harley Quinn may be a goofy show, but it does her justice compared to video games and other shows.
I think everyone is missing a critical point here. See, the Bat family isn't just fighting without gear or Batman, but also without something much more expensive and critical: *Medical Coverage.* If someone gets badly injured, who is going to pay for it? You think they can afford insurance anymore? They're literally clipping coupons and renting out rooms in the mansion right now. They can't afford to maintain their gear or get injured. Harley is used to that mindset, the Bat family isn't.
The idea that Harley Quinn could have anything to teach the Batfamily about fighting is beyond stupid, but I'll let it slide because its not supposed to be a serious show.
@@Bloody_Carnagewhy would specially trained fighters need to be taught that ? Most of that is instinctive. Not to mention the fact that they don’t fight dirty is a form of restraint so if anything, it further makes it difficult for me to suspend my disbelief that Harley has any qualifications to teach either of them anything. Except possibly Barbara
She’s not teaching them how to fight she’s telling them villains don’t care to be fair they are more willing to use underhanded tactics in battle and they need to be more creative in combat to counter that
I guess, but shouldn't they already know that by now, especially dick Grayson since he been fighting criminals since he was robin? Frankly, I feel like this could have worked if it was just focusing solely on Barbara
@@dantewilson182she's teaching them how to fight "less heroic" with the mindset of putting their life on the line and how to be more resourceful in order to avoid getting dead or seriously injured
@@luigitrippitelli2333 I mean. The Bat Family members are used to fight being supported by Wayne technology. She teachez them to fight increasing their options around considering every posibility that a villain will use to kill them. For example here Harley defeated Nightwing by doing a tittie twister and Batgirl punching her close to her nipples. In order words, to play dirty and break the "heroic code" and that's something "kind"' from her
That's kinda the idea since he is Bruce's first protegé and his adoptive son, before Damian was even born, so he is more Bruce than Damian because he was raised by the League of Assasins
Why are some people in this thread crying about the Bat-family being spoiled children over-reliant on their gadgets? This is literally a show where the Joker is not only the Mayor of Gotham, but has a partner and kids, Clayface being a hammy theater actor and there is a Walmart-like store dedicated to super villains. Really?
Because comics are to be taken SERIOUSLY at ALL TIMES, and anything that parodies or pillories some people's precious fictional characters is taken as some kind of personal slight. They claim bad writing, or bad-faith attempts at ham-fisted diversity and representation, but the simple truth is they don't like their favourite fictional characters not doing exactly what they want all the time. Speaking as a guy who's been reading comics for nearly fifty bloody years now, some of our fanbase needs to lighten the fuck up...
I mean, all of these things did happen in the comics. The Joker does become mayor of Gotham and sends Batman to prison. Clayface is an actor who got turned into a sludge monster (which now I think about it, makes him basically the same character as Rita Farr from Doom Patrol). The Wal Mart thing tho, I havent seen. Anyway, people just take this comic shit too personally, although you'd have to admit it doesnt make sense that even this version of Batman wouldnt teach his team how to fight without gadgets. He may be a more comedic version of the character, but they still depicted him as competent, so why would the Batfamily not also be competent?
@@mattphillips3537 This right here bro. I think the op commenter should take some self reflecting and not take criticisms or even smack talk about their new favorite show too personally
@@ESTComicsEvolutions Robin was an heir to The League of Assassins and Batgirl has a police commissioner for a dad who was so overprotective he put Babs in self-defense classes since she was in elementary
@@brandonfj5811 not on this show, it's a different continuity. Damian references the league but considering that Talia last saw him as a toddler, likely means he wasn't there for long
Its interesting to read that people felt the show was saying the characters didn't already know hand to hand combat. I interpreted it as they knew how to but became lazy and dependant on gadgets, and thats why Harley is helping them to not rely on their gadgets. Which ever it is though, I still love the series! I feel a lot of people are critical of this show because we haven't been able to get good DC content in a while and this show is closer to what we want. So a lot of the fans are trying to push this show into a more serious direction to fufill the content we're desiring. However, this show is ment to be a comedy that makes fun of all the characters and plots. If we want better DC shows that are more serious and still character driven we need to support the writers strike and push production studios/their higher ups to trust/support their writers to make more shows/movies that are based the comicbook characters we love and not the watered down versions they're sending out to cater towards the general masses!
Yeah…this makes no sense. The Bat kids shouldn’t have to be taught by Harley Quinn how “everything’s a weapon.” That’s something Bruce would’ve already instilled into them.
@@jordanloux3883 Yet the same series also showed him getting trained in the Himalayas by ninjas how to fight. It’s wildly inconsistent with its own canon. There’s parody and then there’s sloppy writing.
Seems like Harley is just teaching them to fight dirty, but they should already be well prepared for that. Batgirl I can sort of get, but Nightwing is kind of pushing it.
She is teaching them how to fight "less-heroic" so they can be more resourcefull and creative by using anythin around them as a weapon with the mindset of being killed if they are unable to do it
@@1slayer959 hate to say it but I have to agree with you, s1-s2 of this show was great and really close to the source material even building off of topics that were brought up but never expanded in the DC universe. Now it seems like the writers are getting lazy and they're making a lot of these characters too "relatable" and a little whiny for the sake of trying to cater to a larger audience. That's like the biggest problem with DC writers right now, these characters aren't supposed to be super relatable, they're supposed to be extremely inspiring. Harley Quinn was inspiring in the first two seasons breaking out of her toxic relationship and moving on, batman has been growing from his decade old trauma, and so on. They did batman, and Harley Quinn really well but they flopped with a lot of other side characters as well. Like the show but they could do better.
@@yeetmeister3055 agreed. I'm not a reactionary hater of the show. Even nightwing being a pathetic emotional wreck in the first few seasons, while I felt, was pushing it, still worked. Here though. The show feels like it ran out of ways to prop up harley. So they nerfed the rest of the characters. Logic be damned.
Ok this is definitely something these writers pulled out of their ass. It’s not even a parody at this point. They all knew how to fight without relying on gear. Literally all three of them trained to be fighters and learned martial arts before they got the fancy bat gadgets Damien: Do I need to elaborate…? Batgirl: She literally learned martial arts/self defense techniques when she first started as a vigilante before joining Batman Nightwing: Adult Dick doesn’t know unarmed combat? Cmon. All three of them arguably know how to fight better unarmed then Harley who had no formal training because A) She was a psychiatrist and a gymnast in her past B) She was a lunatic following Joker for the rest of the time and definitely didn’t do much unarmed stuff because she was ironically using weapons and other gimmick crap. This is just more Harley wanking, but this time it doesn’t even make sense :/
Ok so newsflash. All the characters in this show are vastly different from the comics. In almost every way. You gotta stop connecting the versions from this show to the comics versions...
@@adamH.1 uhh news flash. The gadgets they used all require great amounts of skill and technique to use effectively. Even if we assume they all somehow. NEVER had hand to hand training. They should all still be way better then harley who had no training, but even uses a bat. Making the whole scene nonsensical. You need to learn to fight without weapons. Carrying THE poster boi of unga bunga weapons
I mean, it does make sense that they would rely on their gadgets and overtime lose their egde. Maybe they would not need to be taught by harley quinn, but it makes sense.
Nightwings gadget was literally a staff. That's no different from harleys bat. If anything it takes more edge. It's just poor writing to serve the plot
Ok while this is pretty funny, it makes no sense. Batman trained in all kinds of martial arts, and in turn trained his sidekicks in enough of them to at least put up a good enough fight with most enemies in hand to hand combat. Especially Nightwing more then Barbara, and Damian should be able to kick Harley's ass easy.
Oh please, original Harley has been closer to killing Batman then Joker ever was. I'd also point out, Harley did beat Nightwing already in another movie(her movie, still it was more on the serious side)
@@paulwayne8367 and that is the point of this scene. She is not fighting fair, or rather fighting the way any of them are use to. Also, does it matter if Batman lost in a sneak attack? He lost to her. If even Batman can lose to Harley, so can Nightwing(and in the movie I reference, she used low grade joker venom to beat nightwing).
@@emperium108There's a difference between a different way of fighting, and something unaccountable for like a sneak attack or a gun. Nightwing shouldn't lose this fast to Harley in a 1 on 1 fight. She's not up there with comic Bane or Deathstroke
@@emperium108 You’re telling me the hundreds of scumbags the Bat Family all bodied before this were fighting fair? That’s ridiculous. In hand to hand combat, Harley is no match for any of them, especially Dick. Yet for some reason, this is what the writers came up with after getting baked in a writer’s meeting.
Damian is capable because he was raised and trained by the League of Assasins. Barbara is basically a "newbie" as a crimefighter because up until Gotham was destroyed with the League of Injustice ruling the city, she was a college student but with talent in parkour. Dick is more capable than Barbara but he strictly follows what Batman taught also he kinda has difficulties working in group
@@nicolasdiez7688 Bottom line: they should all know how to fight hand to hand without weapons, and in the comics, they do. They’re all expert martial artists. Which is why this episode makes zero sense, even for a parody.
Hey quick question to the people angry about this: Have you ever read a comic? Like in your entire life? Comics have literally always adjusted the power levels of various characters to suit whatever story they want. I've seen characters who should NOT be able to beat Hulk, beat Hulk. It's still fun to see them do it. Harley Quinn is about Harley Quinn, and it's made her significantly more competent than you'd normally see her. The entire premise of the show is "What if Harley Quinn wasn't chained to the Joker?", and its conclusion is that she'd be far better off without him. Yes, it does this sometimes by making other characters less competent, but that's completely fine, and not indicative of any kind of cultural agenda or whatever you're worried about.
There’s a difference between adjusting power levels and nerfing characters. Even if the show is about Harley, there is no way you can expect us to believe that a clown with a bat, a psychology degree and gymnastics skills is a better hand to hand fighter than disciples of The freaking Batman, who’s one of the top hand to hand combatants in comics and would train his people rigorously. And ONE of them having been raised by The League of Assassins, a cult of evil ninjas. There’s parody and then there’s stupid writing. This is the latter.
Yeah there is. I can believe it easily because I just watched it happen. This show does the same thing to basically everyone *except* Harley, honestly- all of the villains have been made stupid, too, even Ivy isn't immune to Harley's stupidity rays. Harley Quinn is physically and mentally empowered here because it's her show and it's supposed to be an (exaggerated) look at how ditching her abusive relationship with the Joker gives her more agency. Her main weakness is now her desperate need for approval- the thing Joker took advantage of- rather than the fact that she's kinda just a crazy person with a bat. It is *not* supposed to be an accurate account of far stronger heroes beating Harley Quinn into paste like most of them probably could do, if it was their own comic, because relative power levels aren't the point of the show. (Sidenote: this all sorta ties into the way I've never gotten why people get so mad about feminist language/themes showing up in episodes. "Joker is kinda like an abusive boyfriend" is a feminist premise. Why are people watching the Feminist Harley Quinn show if they hate feminism)@@Jeff_Pryce
@@lovestruck5346 So, your response is “Yes, it is, because the writers told us so”. 😂 That’s my point exactly, it’s bad writing. So if you have the next episode feature Harley beating up Superman in a straight up fight with no Krypronite or power ups, I guess it’s okay because the writers said so. Lol No. You can make a parody while still keeping some of the core elements of the lore intact. A Nightwing and Batgirl who can’t fight is clown-level writing, as their hand to hand skills are like 50 percent of their shtick. They don’t have powers, but they make up for it with superb fighting abilities. The gadgets only do so much, they themselves are the weapons. They should be able to beat Harley no problem, or handle goons without weapons. You don’t take away what makes them who they are because “haha, it’s funny.” I’m all for feminism and empowerment, but you can do that without taking a steaming crap all over the lore of the world this show is coming from.
This makes absolutely no sense. Of course Batman would have taught them how to fight without weapons. He trains for every contingency and he would expect the same of his protégés. Besides that, wasn’t Damien raised by evil ninjas? He probably knew how to kill people with his bare hands by the time he was 4.
Wait, stop, my immersion broke. Why would Dick and Barbara need fighting lessons when previous episodes show them being capable of throwing hands without the need of their tech. Like I know rule of funny is a thing with the show, but that rule really only works when it plays off from the establish characterization of its cast. Like if the whole scene is really about Harley teaching the rule abiding Batfamily how to fight dirty THAN that is a joke warrented as its mocking the straight laced nature of the team Otherwise, this is just an unnecessary change that makes the characters WAY too ineffectual
Yes people this show ia not verry acurate, but people this show is based of the world in harley quins vieuw, She dousnt make sence therefor the story dousnt always make sence and isnt verry acurate. Idk if the creators intended it that way but that is how i see it.
Batman literally came up with the whole "use your surroundings as a weapon",and you're gonna tell me that a group of vigilantes trained and raised by this man don't know that? Yeap,this show got infinitely dumber.
Meh she really just teaching them how to fight dirty, they fight more traditional and with gadgets, harlequin is more hit first ask questions later and uses dirty tactics to win. So i can kinda get behind her beating them...altho its still kinda odd.
It's an alternate reality guys. One wear they're too dumb to just have Tara Strong do all the female voice. And Ivy and Clayface haven't been totally nerfed because all millenial/zoomer dc nerds are edgelord joker fans, who still quote the Dark Knight 11 years later.
A lot of people saying that this doesnt line up with previous iteratoons of the characters. th-cam.com/video/oyEjkwlJUw8/w-d-xo.htmlsi=fTGJGRDJcuxQKjGH Except literally everything shes saying is exactly how she gets the upperhand on Nightwing. So, this actually tracks, even if the characters are made more dumb for comedys sake.
The writers of the show had a potentially good gag scene here, but they ruined it by portraying the batfamily as usesless without their weapons. Nightwing has had to spar with Bruce in hand-to-hand combat with no gear in multiple training sessions, and Barbara is the daughter of Commissioner Gordon - am i seriously supposed to believe that neither him or one of his subordinates taught her basic self-defense on top of Bruce training her as batgirl? They should have blatantly emphasized the fact that Bruce being in jail means that their health insurance is on hold, so Alfred can no longer hop in the family limo to buy drugs in bulk off-the-counter
I don't find the piss poor quality of the writing here surprising at all. This show went to shit like 2 seasons ago from now, and was never even that great to begin with.
Everyone acting like this isn't what the show has ALWAYS been like. I'm sure next they'll do a whole episode about how "boring", "unrelatable", and "overpowered" they think Superman is.
this is the shit that makes this series annoying sometimes harely is the best at everything and everyone else sucks. it would be one thing if harley just gave them tips for making gadgets on the cheap or some dirty fighting technics but not there all worthless without here gadgets aparently inspite of the fact nightwings main gadget are 2 shot sticks
@JohnDoe-xj9nr firstly you claim i have no critical thinking while also accusing me of overcriticizing and taking it too seriously secondly i admit i may take this more seriously than other but that's because i actually give a fuck about art being good and not just way to numb ones self thirdly just because some thing is a light hatred comedy dose not excuse lack of effort in writing and finally i just think that this another effort to prop up a character by diminishing others and calling it parody witch it is not
I like how this is where the fandom draws the line of this series constant inconsistencies.
😂😂
This is where DC dumps all the insane ideas they'd never let into anything mainstream "serious"
I'm almost certain the producers use this show to gauge what they can get away with
Well they’d gotten better since season one.
Yes this is the line !!!!!! No further you shall not pass.........GAS
Batgirl was able not to die when she fought two faces goons and has taken self-defense classes why is she not able to fight?😂
I think the difference is normally inconsistencies and absurd entertaining things, this was only making the Batfamily look pathetic just for the sake of a joke in a chapter that isn't even that good that joke
They should already know how to fight without weapons and gadgets. How helpless are they in this universe that they need Harley Quinn to show them how? She can kill people with just her bare hands even though she usually uses a baseball bat.
I'm convinced you can have to the most creatively bankrupt writing staff for a show as long as someone says "it's not supposed to be serious"
I mean, it’s kind of obvious by looking at how Batman often breaks down and how Superman didn’t hesitated sending poison Ivy into phantom zone. Consider this show as a different universe and don’t take everything seriously.
@@gaeru0006you just proved his point
1st season was good 2nd ok but it went downhill quickly after they made her a Mary Sue
It’s ok when she is an underdog but not when she is just clowning person the pun on anyone by making them dumb
Si osea es extraño Bruce nunca les enseño a pelear sin armas?
While Dick and Babs are getting schooled. Damian is just sitting back. Due to the fact he was trained by League of Assassin's.
And because he’s going to grocery shop since he is cutting and clipping coupons so contently and his ass ain’t gonna train without some food up in this bitch
That means jack shit in this show
They already ignored his badass training back in the FIRST season
So let me get this straight: A group of vigilantes, one who was raised by the league of assassins, and another who was raised by batman, doesn't know how to fight hand to hand?!? What did the writers smoke to make the conclusion that Harley needed to teach them? They'd have gone to an expert martial artist who knew how to train them, way more brutally and effectively than Harley could ever dream of.
Dude this is comedy dont take it seriously
@@playerstation5624 So a valid criticism is somehow taken as a being excessively sincere?
@@brandonfj5811 no im saying this just for comedy and shouldn't be take it seriously i never say the critism wasn't valid
@@brandonfj5811 also really so because i pointed out this stuff is pure comedy make me a jerk? If this was some serious series then that critisim is valid but here not really
Eh, more like BAtfam don't have the mental state to use normal things to fight. It's either boxing with the fighters or gadgets specific to characters. Like, I never seen any heroes fight with improvised weapons here, that's Harley's best skill.
I’d question how Harley could so easily defeat Nightwing but I didn’t realise she was using tittie twisters.
Definitely a weak point for poor Nightwing.
Like everyone has said, Harley teaching the Bat crew ANYTHING about fighting is like some wash out from America's Got Talent giving vocal coaching to a world class opera soprano soloist. Like it might have been funny if Harley was getting smoked in their sparring and she starting using dirty tricks like biting and clawing and nut kicking. That'd be funny. Little Damian tossing her around easily so she kicks him in the fork because she doesn't fight clean. But her being able to 1 v 2 Dick and Barbara in an unarmed fight... cut it out.
From what it looks like she's trying to teach them how to be more reliant on themselves and be more creative like with the belt, she showed them that it could be used as a weapon to strangle someone in a fight.
@@Jassiij27 I get it... but it doesn't really make sense. Nightwing has been fighting armed criminals on the streets since before Harley went to college.
I feel like they wanted to show that Harley something unique that she could share the Bat crew. That unique thing imo wasn't her improv fighting style as much as it is her berserker, throw it all in the fire, rage when she fights. Bat crew are all trained and disciplined and strategic, Harley goes nuts and is willing to self destruct to get the win. Maybe that's something she could have shown...
But the scene with her showing Batgirl how to use her belt as a garotte feels like me showing a classically trained artist that you can reverse the paint brush to make dots...
@CappyK sir....Batman was arrested, the Joker is the mayor and a soccer dad, Alfred was arrested, Talia is the new Bat Daddy, and Harley is apart of the Bat crew even though she does crazy stuff like lift her shirt up for her GF flying in a d*ck rocket ship. Nothing in this f*cking show makes sense😂 you just got to roll with it!
That’s crazzyyy last time I checked the so called “washout” has a degree in psychology has professional level gymnastics has a really high iq for someone so called “washout” also has professional martial arts training and yes she is a high level also was trained by the amazons and could lift a whole entire palm tree never seen the bat family do that with there bear hands but you know anywho rlly easy to prove Harley as more than a “washout”(and even if she wasn’t trained by the Amazons in this version she is still pretty strong)
@manuelnunez5595 This is how I feel when it comes to video games, especially the Batman ones. They make her so weak unless you're playing as her like in the Injustice games. Harley Quinn may be a goofy show, but it does her justice compared to video games and other shows.
I think everyone is missing a critical point here. See, the Bat family isn't just fighting without gear or Batman, but also without something much more expensive and critical: *Medical Coverage.* If someone gets badly injured, who is going to pay for it? You think they can afford insurance anymore? They're literally clipping coupons and renting out rooms in the mansion right now. They can't afford to maintain their gear or get injured. Harley is used to that mindset, the Bat family isn't.
For real? They're doing that bad? I need to start watching the episodes again I just been looking at clips.
@@Jassiij27with Bruce in prison, a good chuck of the Wayne family income gone so they can’t afford to make any losses.
@damonlam9145 thanks for summarizing it for me.
@@Jassiij27 you're welcome
This really explains it, thanks G
Awesome, Harley's being a good fighting teacher.
The idea that Harley Quinn could have anything to teach the Batfamily about fighting is beyond stupid, but I'll let it slide because its not supposed to be a serious show.
Maybe Harley could teach them ways of fighting dirty
@@Bloody_Carnage Now That makes a lot more sense.
@@Bloody_Carnagebecause somehow they already don't know that.
@@Bloody_Carnagewhy would specially trained fighters need to be taught that ? Most of that is instinctive. Not to mention the fact that they don’t fight dirty is a form of restraint so if anything, it further makes it difficult for me to suspend my disbelief that Harley has any qualifications to teach either of them anything. Except possibly Barbara
But it's making a lot of sense realistically, which is why it's 'seriously' funny, except it's not that bad, because weapons are reasonably helpful
She’s not teaching them how to fight she’s telling them villains don’t care to be fair they are more willing to use underhanded tactics in battle and they need to be more creative in combat to counter that
I guess, but shouldn't they already know that by now, especially dick Grayson since he been fighting criminals since he was robin? Frankly, I feel like this could have worked if it was just focusing solely on Barbara
So she's teaching them to fight? That's basically what she's doing, teaching them something they already should know.
@@dantewilson182she's teaching them how to fight "less heroic" with the mindset of putting their life on the line and how to be more resourceful in order to avoid getting dead or seriously injured
@@nicolasdiez7688so like... What they should already know?
@@luigitrippitelli2333 I mean. The Bat Family members are used to fight being supported by Wayne technology. She teachez them to fight increasing their options around considering every posibility that a villain will use to kill them. For example here Harley defeated Nightwing by doing a tittie twister and Batgirl punching her close to her nipples. In order words, to play dirty and break the "heroic code" and that's something "kind"' from her
They made Dick look a lot like Bruce Wayne in this version.
That's kinda the idea since he is Bruce's first protegé and his adoptive son, before Damian was even born, so he is more Bruce than Damian because he was raised by the League of Assasins
Why are some people in this thread crying about the Bat-family being spoiled children over-reliant on their gadgets? This is literally a show where the Joker is not only the Mayor of Gotham, but has a partner and kids, Clayface being a hammy theater actor and there is a Walmart-like store dedicated to super villains. Really?
Because comics are to be taken SERIOUSLY at ALL TIMES, and anything that parodies or pillories some people's precious fictional characters is taken as some kind of personal slight. They claim bad writing, or bad-faith attempts at ham-fisted diversity and representation, but the simple truth is they don't like their favourite fictional characters not doing exactly what they want all the time.
Speaking as a guy who's been reading comics for nearly fifty bloody years now, some of our fanbase needs to lighten the fuck up...
I mean, all of these things did happen in the comics. The Joker does become mayor of Gotham and sends Batman to prison. Clayface is an actor who got turned into a sludge monster (which now I think about it, makes him basically the same character as Rita Farr from Doom Patrol). The Wal Mart thing tho, I havent seen. Anyway, people just take this comic shit too personally, although you'd have to admit it doesnt make sense that even this version of Batman wouldnt teach his team how to fight without gadgets. He may be a more comedic version of the character, but they still depicted him as competent, so why would the Batfamily not also be competent?
It’s just annoying when a character is automatically more competent than other characters solely because they’re the main character of the story.
@@mattphillips3537 This right here bro. I think the op commenter should take some self reflecting and not take criticisms or even smack talk about their new favorite show too personally
People don't like having their favorite characters shit on just because it's another character's show.
I don't get how they're barely learning to fight hand-to-hand combat when they had one of the greatest martial artists in the world training them
Without money, without Alfred, there is no one to clean the wounds of depression due to lack of resources.
Didn’t know I was better at fighting than nightwing and batgirl. Thanks DC
You think they would know this already?
The show is making it so they don't: that they rely on it. Since it's all about Harley it can't be how cool they are
@@AmiMizuno2 Seems like an odd choice.
Batgirl & Robin are newer members
@@ESTComicsEvolutions Robin was an heir to The League of Assassins and Batgirl has a police commissioner for a dad who was so overprotective he put Babs in self-defense classes since she was in elementary
@@brandonfj5811 not on this show, it's a different continuity. Damian references the league but considering that Talia last saw him as a toddler, likely means he wasn't there for long
This makes sense since the bat family are just rich
Im sure bruce thought the sidekicks how to use the environment as a weapon, i mean raz al ghul made sure he learned that in batman begins
Its interesting to read that people felt the show was saying the characters didn't already know hand to hand combat. I interpreted it as they knew how to but became lazy and dependant on gadgets, and thats why Harley is helping them to not rely on their gadgets. Which ever it is though, I still love the series!
I feel a lot of people are critical of this show because we haven't been able to get good DC content in a while and this show is closer to what we want. So a lot of the fans are trying to push this show into a more serious direction to fufill the content we're desiring. However, this show is ment to be a comedy that makes fun of all the characters and plots. If we want better DC shows that are more serious and still character driven we need to support the writers strike and push production studios/their higher ups to trust/support their writers to make more shows/movies that are based the comicbook characters we love and not the watered down versions they're sending out to cater towards the general masses!
I'm glad Tim, Jason, Steph, and Cass aren't here to see this.
*Amateur clown takes down 2 protégés trained by Batman…* 💀
0:57 is this a reference to flatline?
Redhood: 🤦🏻
HOW DID HARLEY GET THIS MUCH TRAINING
I get taking liberties to be funny, but why make Nightwing bad at fighting?
You just said that you got taking liberties to be funny.
They made Damian bad at fighting in season one.
You answered your own question because it's "funny"
@@dionlackey798 it's more confusing, I mean Batman can still fight why can't the rest of them?
@@howdigethere7843 because it's "funny"
Yeah…this makes no sense. The Bat kids shouldn’t have to be taught by Harley Quinn how “everything’s a weapon.” That’s something Bruce would’ve already instilled into them.
The series implies that this Bruce mostly relies on his tech over skills.
@@jordanloux3883 Yet the same series also showed him getting trained in the Himalayas by ninjas how to fight. It’s wildly inconsistent with its own canon. There’s parody and then there’s sloppy writing.
At 0:19 to 0:22 Final Fight and other fighting game mechanics In a nutshell
you'd wonder how these haven't died yet fight knowing these things.
Seems like Harley is just teaching them to fight dirty, but they should already be well prepared for that. Batgirl I can sort of get, but Nightwing is kind of pushing it.
She is teaching them how to fight "less-heroic" so they can be more resourcefull and creative by using anythin around them as a weapon with the mindset of being killed if they are unable to do it
@@nicolasdiez7688 no she isn't.
This is just bad writing
@@1slayer959 hate to say it but I have to agree with you, s1-s2 of this show was great and really close to the source material even building off of topics that were brought up but never expanded in the DC universe. Now it seems like the writers are getting lazy and they're making a lot of these characters too "relatable" and a little whiny for the sake of trying to cater to a larger audience. That's like the biggest problem with DC writers right now, these characters aren't supposed to be super relatable, they're supposed to be extremely inspiring. Harley Quinn was inspiring in the first two seasons breaking out of her toxic relationship and moving on, batman has been growing from his decade old trauma, and so on. They did batman, and Harley Quinn really well but they flopped with a lot of other side characters as well. Like the show but they could do better.
@@yeetmeister3055 agreed. I'm not a reactionary hater of the show.
Even nightwing being a pathetic emotional wreck in the first few seasons, while I felt, was pushing it, still worked.
Here though. The show feels like it ran out of ways to prop up harley. So they nerfed the rest of the characters. Logic be damned.
Weakest Bat-family ever be like:
Ok this is definitely something these writers pulled out of their ass. It’s not even a parody at this point.
They all knew how to fight without relying on gear. Literally all three of them trained to be fighters and learned martial arts before they got the fancy bat gadgets
Damien: Do I need to elaborate…?
Batgirl: She literally learned martial arts/self defense techniques when she first started as a vigilante before joining Batman
Nightwing: Adult Dick doesn’t know unarmed combat? Cmon.
All three of them arguably know how to fight better unarmed then Harley who had no formal training because A) She was a psychiatrist and a gymnast in her past B) She was a lunatic following Joker for the rest of the time and definitely didn’t do much unarmed stuff because she was ironically using weapons and other gimmick crap.
This is just more Harley wanking, but this time it doesn’t even make sense :/
Ok so newsflash. All the characters in this show are vastly different from the comics. In almost every way. You gotta stop connecting the versions from this show to the comics versions...
@@adamH.1 uhh news flash.
The gadgets they used all require great amounts of skill and technique to use effectively.
Even if we assume they all somehow. NEVER had hand to hand training.
They should all still be way better then harley who had no training, but even uses a bat. Making the whole scene nonsensical.
You need to learn to fight without weapons.
Carrying THE poster boi of unga bunga weapons
Dude Richard Grayson emo. 😂😂😂😂😂
I mean, it does make sense that they would rely on their gadgets and overtime lose their egde. Maybe they would not need to be taught by harley quinn, but it makes sense.
Nightwings gadget was literally a staff. That's no different from harleys bat. If anything it takes more edge.
It's just poor writing to serve the plot
Ok while this is pretty funny, it makes no sense. Batman trained in all kinds of martial arts, and in turn trained his sidekicks in enough of them to at least put up a good enough fight with most enemies in hand to hand combat. Especially Nightwing more then Barbara, and Damian should be able to kick Harley's ass easy.
Harley actually could teach them how to fight villains better if they'd listen.
Beside the fact that they should already know, WHO IS DAMIAN'S GF? Or in this show at least.
Might be flatline
What series.
I'm so happy I'm not the only one upset over this bullshit scene.
Harley quinn teaching batfamily how to fight so waht is next solomon grundy teaching pysics
Okay this Parody is getting a little annoying, Nightwing would kick Harley ass with or without gear
Oh please, original Harley has been closer to killing Batman then Joker ever was. I'd also point out, Harley did beat Nightwing already in another movie(her movie, still it was more on the serious side)
@@emperium108 I don't think Harley ever best Batman in a fair no sneak attack combat that how Harley usually fights
@@paulwayne8367 and that is the point of this scene. She is not fighting fair, or rather fighting the way any of them are use to. Also, does it matter if Batman lost in a sneak attack? He lost to her. If even Batman can lose to Harley, so can Nightwing(and in the movie I reference, she used low grade joker venom to beat nightwing).
@@emperium108There's a difference between a different way of fighting, and something unaccountable for like a sneak attack or a gun. Nightwing shouldn't lose this fast to Harley in a 1 on 1 fight. She's not up there with comic Bane or Deathstroke
@@emperium108 You’re telling me the hundreds of scumbags the Bat Family all bodied before this were fighting fair? That’s ridiculous. In hand to hand combat, Harley is no match for any of them, especially Dick. Yet for some reason, this is what the writers came up with after getting baked in a writer’s meeting.
Well she has a good point about anything being a weapon
Who misses Female Wedgies from this show?
Why are people analyzing a comedy nobody did this for robot chicken.
I refuse to believe the BatFamily are useless without their Wayne tech
Even more that Harley is basically superior to them
Damian is capable because he was raised and trained by the League of Assasins.
Barbara is basically a "newbie" as a crimefighter because up until Gotham was destroyed with the League of Injustice ruling the city, she was a college student but with talent in parkour.
Dick is more capable than Barbara but he strictly follows what Batman taught also he kinda has difficulties working in group
@@nicolasdiez7688 Bottom line: they should all know how to fight hand to hand without weapons, and in the comics, they do. They’re all expert martial artists. Which is why this episode makes zero sense, even for a parody.
DID BABS SAY SHE MET AMALEE?!
Hey quick question to the people angry about this: Have you ever read a comic? Like in your entire life?
Comics have literally always adjusted the power levels of various characters to suit whatever story they want. I've seen characters who should NOT be able to beat Hulk, beat Hulk. It's still fun to see them do it.
Harley Quinn is about Harley Quinn, and it's made her significantly more competent than you'd normally see her. The entire premise of the show is "What if Harley Quinn wasn't chained to the Joker?", and its conclusion is that she'd be far better off without him. Yes, it does this sometimes by making other characters less competent, but that's completely fine, and not indicative of any kind of cultural agenda or whatever you're worried about.
There’s a difference between adjusting power levels and nerfing characters. Even if the show is about Harley, there is no way you can expect us to believe that a clown with a bat, a psychology degree and gymnastics skills is a better hand to hand fighter than disciples of The freaking Batman, who’s one of the top hand to hand combatants in comics and would train his people rigorously. And ONE of them having been raised by The League of Assassins, a cult of evil ninjas.
There’s parody and then there’s stupid writing. This is the latter.
Yeah there is. I can believe it easily because I just watched it happen. This show does the same thing to basically everyone *except* Harley, honestly- all of the villains have been made stupid, too, even Ivy isn't immune to Harley's stupidity rays.
Harley Quinn is physically and mentally empowered here because it's her show and it's supposed to be an (exaggerated) look at how ditching her abusive relationship with the Joker gives her more agency. Her main weakness is now her desperate need for approval- the thing Joker took advantage of- rather than the fact that she's kinda just a crazy person with a bat.
It is *not* supposed to be an accurate account of far stronger heroes beating Harley Quinn into paste like most of them probably could do, if it was their own comic, because relative power levels aren't the point of the show.
(Sidenote: this all sorta ties into the way I've never gotten why people get so mad about feminist language/themes showing up in episodes. "Joker is kinda like an abusive boyfriend" is a feminist premise. Why are people watching the Feminist Harley Quinn show if they hate feminism)@@Jeff_Pryce
@@lovestruck5346 So, your response is “Yes, it is, because the writers told us so”. 😂 That’s my point exactly, it’s bad writing. So if you have the next episode feature Harley beating up Superman in a straight up fight with no Krypronite or power ups, I guess it’s okay because the writers said so. Lol No.
You can make a parody while still keeping some of the core elements of the lore intact. A Nightwing and Batgirl who can’t fight is clown-level writing, as their hand to hand skills are like 50 percent of their shtick. They don’t have powers, but they make up for it with superb fighting abilities. The gadgets only do so much, they themselves are the weapons. They should be able to beat Harley no problem, or handle goons without weapons. You don’t take away what makes them who they are because “haha, it’s funny.”
I’m all for feminism and empowerment, but you can do that without taking a steaming crap all over the lore of the world this show is coming from.
Didn't Batgirl fight without weapons in the other season
She did, while Batman was basically absent because he was recovering
But the writers probably forgot about that
She's mama Harley
Too bad Cassandra isn't there...
Imagine jason todd body slams harley unstop
Todd is dead for many years at this point in this continuity
@@Angyali he's still alive
@@silverstrike5904 No, he's not. Joker said in a flashback at Season 2 Episode 6
@@Angyali and then he got ressurected
@@silverstrike5904 no, dick was ressurected in the final episode of the season.
This makes absolutely no sense. Of course Batman would have taught them how to fight without weapons. He trains for every contingency and he would expect the same of his protégés. Besides that, wasn’t Damien raised by evil ninjas? He probably knew how to kill people with his bare hands by the time he was 4.
Your telling me these batman protégé’s can’t fight worth a shit without their toys?? 😑
It's funny, except weapons are reasonably helpful
Wait, stop, my immersion broke.
Why would Dick and Barbara need fighting lessons when previous episodes show them being capable of throwing hands without the need of their tech.
Like I know rule of funny is a thing with the show, but that rule really only works when it plays off from the establish characterization of its cast.
Like if the whole scene is really about Harley teaching the rule abiding Batfamily how to fight dirty THAN that is a joke warrented as its mocking the straight laced nature of the team
Otherwise, this is just an unnecessary change that makes the characters WAY too ineffectual
Maybe it's better that Bruce didn't see this...
Yes people this show ia not verry acurate, but people this show is based of the world in harley quins vieuw, She dousnt make sence therefor the story dousnt always make sence and isnt verry acurate. Idk if the creators intended it that way but that is how i see it.
Batman literally came up with the whole "use your surroundings as a weapon",and you're gonna tell me that a group of vigilantes trained and raised by this man don't know that? Yeap,this show got infinitely dumber.
Meh she really just teaching them how to fight dirty, they fight more traditional and with gadgets, harlequin is more hit first ask questions later and uses dirty tactics to win. So i can kinda get behind her beating them...altho its still kinda odd.
Bro they trully nerf
It's an alternate reality guys. One wear they're too dumb to just have Tara Strong do all the female voice. And Ivy and Clayface haven't been totally nerfed because all millenial/zoomer dc nerds are edgelord joker fans, who still quote the Dark Knight 11 years later.
either way harley could beat them even with there weapon
People in these comments don't know what a parody series is
They know what quality is and this ain't it
A lot of people saying that this doesnt line up with previous iteratoons of the characters.
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Except literally everything shes saying is exactly how she gets the upperhand on Nightwing.
So, this actually tracks, even if the characters are made more dumb for comedys sake.
That’s bullshit that’s bullshit. It’s bullshit that they don’t know how to fight. I hate how the show just ruins the bat family.
The writers of the show had a potentially good gag scene here, but they ruined it by portraying the batfamily as usesless without their weapons.
Nightwing has had to spar with Bruce in hand-to-hand combat with no gear in multiple training sessions, and Barbara is the daughter of Commissioner Gordon - am i seriously supposed to believe that neither him or one of his subordinates taught her basic self-defense on top of Bruce training her as batgirl?
They should have blatantly emphasized the fact that Bruce being in jail means that their health insurance is on hold, so Alfred can no longer hop in the family limo to buy drugs in bulk off-the-counter
I don't find the piss poor quality of the writing here surprising at all. This show went to shit like 2 seasons ago from now, and was never even that great to begin with.
Mad because this isn't velma
@@Axel_Kasai What?
See I like when this show makes Harley stronger, but it does annoy me when they make other characters weaker.
This is nonsense
This is absolute nonsense
Everyone acting like this isn't what the show has ALWAYS been like. I'm sure next they'll do a whole episode about how "boring", "unrelatable", and "overpowered" they think Superman is.
I think this show is starting to get old and bad
The novelty is running out
this is the shit that makes this series annoying sometimes harely is the best at everything and everyone else sucks. it would be one thing if harley just gave them tips for making gadgets on the cheap or some dirty fighting technics but not there all worthless without here gadgets aparently inspite of the fact nightwings main gadget are 2 shot sticks
@JohnDoe-xj9nr firstly you claim i have no critical thinking while also accusing me of overcriticizing and taking it too seriously
secondly i admit i may take this more seriously than other but that's because i actually give a fuck about art being good and not just way to numb ones self
thirdly just because some thing is a light hatred comedy dose not excuse lack of effort in writing
and finally i just think that this another effort to prop up a character by diminishing others and calling it parody witch it is not
I like the idea of her showing em how to cheaply make gadgets, that makes more sense
No. Yet again, characters are made dumb, inconsistent, and incompetent to give a crazy lady with a baseball bat any chance.
I love the nerd rage here
Lighten up you weirdos its a stupid cartoon
Smarten up, dunce, it IS a stupid cartoon and we’re all pointing it out.
Are they poor now? Why damian using vouchers
Talia cut their funding
to be fair on that one... they depend on batmans fund and since hes in jail + talia the one in charge now
This series really hates the bat family
Like bad