How to make your Sequential Rev2 "Binaural"
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- Check out Peter Dyer's Rev2 Binaural Preset Pack "Mammoth Pads":
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Let's make a patch. The Sequential Prophet Rev2 keyboard and module have been quietly binaural-capable since release. Here we'll explore what binaural means regarding a synth, and how to make your patches truly stereo (binaural) for a richer wider stereo image.
Peter, thank you so much for doing the legwork to discover and demonstrate this REV2 capability. It's like paying a whole new synth! Yes, I'm 2 years late to the party and my REV2 has been sitting largely unloved in my keyboard rack for ages - superseded by the likes of my Prophet 10 and OB-X8. Interestingly enough, it was the Version 2.0 OB-X8 OS that dropped this week from Sequential/Oberheim that prompted me to look at binaural capabilities of the REV2. As you're probably aware, V2 of the OB-X8 firmware has a new "Instant Binaural" feature, and it sounds brilliant! Unfortunately, it also cuts the meager 8-voice polyphony on the OB-X8 down to 4 binaural voices 😥. Thanks for giving my REV2 a new lease on life. REV2 and OB-X8 both in binaural mode are an ambient/epic dream team! Mammoth Pads sound set purchased and installed! Cheers!
Hi! thanks for checking out the soundset, and im so glad to hear you benefited from the info. Enjoy!
Aaah... I finally learned how to hard pan the layers on the REV 2...It was an issue that was puzzling me for a long time...Thanks for the tip. I used to create the binaural effect by just using the two Left outputs of the A&B pair of outputs. It works fine as well and is kind of a quicker method (if you have easy access to the back of the synth). But overall...what a great synth. It can do so many things and despite its fame, its true potential remains underated.
Absolutely brilliant Peter. I've owned almost every Sequential synth (among many others) and this is why the Rev2 is one of my favorites: true stereo architecture! I love the core tone of the Prophet 5 & 6 and the OB-6, but like you said, there's no way to get true stereo out of them. The only real way to do it is to track them twice with slightly different settings, then pan the two takes apart. Huge wast of time. I was REALLY hoping the new Prophet 10 reissue would allow for this, but it's still cramming everything through a MONO output, unlike the original double manual Prophet 10. huge missed opportunity! Anyway, great stuff here!
thanks for watching! yea, it'd be convenient on the other boards.
@@peterkeys88 Thanks for this technique, just bought a Rev 2 and it sounds crazy!
The things I had no idea my rev2 could do. And here i was just 48 hours ago mulling picking up an Udo. Just wow.
This is not a rag on the Super6 - it sounds sublime. I was trying not to GAS, and discovered something new about my Rev2 on the way. Thanks for watching!
Nice vid, Peter! Love stereophonic/binaural patches on Rev2!... you can get such huge sound. +/-32 is actually the full value needed for hard pan... of course more works as well for hard pan, but as reference point, that's where it clips, so if you wanna scale back, that's where the action happens.
Thanks! Yea, super huge right?! I can't go back after hearing it that wide. Interesting on the +/-32 value, thanks for the tip!
Nice tip - thank you!
Really love the Rev2 - having a Rev2 really calms the GAS for getting a new polysynth!
honestly my rev2 has saved me so much money I should cut dave smith another check
This is awesome, thanks for the clear instructions!
thanks!
Just got a Rev2, and this was the first thing I tried. It sounds AMAZING. Thank you so much!
great! Enjoy the stereo-ness, and thanks for watching
Really valuable and clear tutorial, thank you so much!
happy to share tips i discover! thanks for watching
So I guess I’m gonna buy the 8 voice expansion now
Oh yes, i forgot to mention mine is a 16voice. Not required but advantageous, especially doing this. It’s a great upgrade IMO if you use a Rev2.
ahaha me too!
damn this is cool. I've been sending each output to different filters in a modular rack which are modulated separetely by an LFO, to get this kind of variation. Never thought of doing it using the split A/B
yea, this could save you that step, enjoy!
Just got my Rev2 today and discovered your video - thanks for sharing your brains!
happy to! thanks
My Rev 2 has just become my new favourite synth in my set up and I've lots. Thank you so much mate.
thanks, happy to share! I enjoy mine too.
Amazing idea! Thank you for sharing this!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Thanks for that Peter -good job! Will be picking up the Preset Pack
thanks for the support Roy!
Thanks, friend - it sound fantastic! Gonna go to my Rev2 now and try this out. You are awesome ;)
happy to share tips, enjoy!
Thank you so much for this! I was having a lot of trouble falling in love with the Rev 2, but this video and a couple of others opened my eyes to the possibilities!
great!
what other vids/guides helped you learn more?
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I so want to try this. Thanks again!
give it a try! Extra stereo
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It's a big one!
This is just breathtaking, I absolutely love it, thank you for the tip!👍👍👍
thanks for watching!
ok hold on this sounds amazing! What a simple idea also, so effective.
glad i could share!
this sound huge, i was thinking about the rev 2 as my first poly synth but then decided on the Roland juno X, after this video i'm kinda changing my mind again lol
haha, im sure youll enjoy either. The best synth is the one that you have in front of you IMO
Thanks for this. Great video!
thanks for watching!
Thanks !!! This brings this Synth to a new level
i totally agree. thanks for watching!
Great procedure.I have a slightly different approach which saves me a MOD slot: The REV2 has 2 stereo outputs, Main A and B. The manual says that if no cables are connected to B, then A carries both Layers. If you also connect cables to B, then layer A is output at Main A and layer B at Main B. Say that I have 4 free mixer inputs (instead of 2 like in your examples) and pan the pairs accordingly hard left and hard right (in my case, an X32 where each song has its dedicated scene), then the result is also binaural, without sacrificing a MOD slot or doing any other edits. Correct me if I'm wrong. I guess the effects section might sound better stereo-wise with your approach.
Yes, that works, though you have to have a 4 channel mixer with pans ready. Whatever works and feels good for the situation is the right choice IMO!
great idea, great work, great man!!
thank you for this!!
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Thanks for watching, and I'm glad you got something out of it.
I always liked the pan spread feature on the sequential prophet 6 but yes, unless you're playing chords it can sound a little funny. The new 3rd wave PPG remake allows you to pan any of the layers as well, that's 4 part multi timberal with 24 voices
thanks for watching. The new 3rd Wave is awesome
thank you for this. super simple concept but makes a world of a difference on my rev2!
agreed! Enjoy and thanks for watching
Never mind I figured it out. Wow that was such a useful tutorial! Thanks
Thanks, Glad it helped!
Very nice Peter, also well explained. I wish the Prophet 10 could do this.
Thanks! Oh me too, but it wouldn’t be a true reissue if they did.
@@peterkeys88 the vintage 10 had multiple outputs too ;-)
thanks for the tip ... bought your patches
Thanks for the support Josef, i hope you enjoy them!
Sounds incredible!
Have to try that with mine. Thanks :)
highly encouraged!
brilliant idea!
happy to share! It takes a sec to set up but once you get the hang of it, its faster. Enjoy!
Great tip man...keep them coming !!!!! REV2 16V is a workhorse synth Beast !!!!
thanks, happy to share! It is a beast
Very helpful tutorial! Will attempt with the Prophet 12 (if possible) Thx!
Its practically the same on P12 ( I worked on that board, and adore it)! Set pan spread to 0. DC to pan -127 and +127, and then stack A/B.
This was a great tutorial. Looking forward to trying it out as it sounds amazing! Cheers!
thanks for watching!
Thank you so much for this wonderful trick !!! 👍
All my other synths sound so dull now...
happy to share the info! Yes, going back to regular stereo or mono after hearing it extra-wide is pretty difficult.
when i want a wider image on some of my other hardware i'll use an external pedal like a Strymon Deco, Volante, BigSky, etc. Or in the box, Polyverse Music has a free widener plugin called Wider.
Makes a great pretext to buy the 16 voice or the 8 voice expansion. The UDO only goes to 6 voices.
I’ll be expanding mine soon after hearing this.
nice, enjoy! I like having my 16 voice
me too
Genius!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Yep, I have a Prophet 12, and the same deal here. 😁
Love my P12! Nice
Hi Peter, truely valuable, inspiring material on your channel, thanks. I guess your Mammoth package comes with all binaural settings already programmed?
Im pleased to hear that! And yes, the mammoth pad patches all have this set up already, and sound very wide.
Owned my rev 2 since 2018 and had no idea you could hold the edit button to quickly double the layers.
Looking forward to experimenting with this. I've recently been doing a lot of analog style patches in Vital specifically because it supports this kind of binaural modulation. Would love to do it in hardware!
Also looking forward to mismatching the gated sequencer (on no gate mode) on each channel (like 7 steps on the left and 9 on the right) and then knocking the BPMs out to introduce some really subtle offsets in pitch variation in the stereo field. I've been using the gated sequencer to controll LFO rates recently to introduce a little more drift and it would probably sound fantastic in stereo like this.
@@shadowseal22 sounds like a good plan, nice!
I think I like the pan spread better. It's more unpredictable and tickles the ears more for everyday use hehe. Must be hard to mix like you said
It has it's uses, either method has its strengths IMO
Very interesting!
sounds amazing!
thanks!
Great video! If you have a second could you please explain the advantages of having save edit B off? New to this synth and still trying to get my head around it. Thanks 🙂
Save Edit B saves the state of the "Edit Layer B" button when a patch is saved. If its unlit then the panel is editing layer A. If lit, then Layer B. If you hold it until it blinks, then the panel edits both layer A and B simultaneously. If you are using a layered patch like this, i find it useful to have it stay in the blinking mode, so its always editing both layers when i pull up a patch. If you have "Save edit B" off in globals, then regardless of what state the "edit layer B" button is in when you save it, then it defaults back to unlit (only edit layer A). They both have their uses.
Nice! Are you using the 8 voice or 16 voice for this?
Very cool!
thanks Rory!
Excellent video, thanks!
thanks for watching!
Someone else explained this recently, and it sounds gorgeous. However, it would be more intuitive if the Pan Spread knob could be used for left/right panning in the Fixed mode. Wasting one of only 8 mod slots wouldn‘t be necessary.
I agree, but that is the architecture we're limited to. I enjoy the sound as well!
I hope one day a Rev 3 of this basically timeless synth will be released with:
- more space for firmware updates,
- the ‘vintage knob‘,
- at least 32 mod slots,
- two FX engines with more kinds of reverb,
- easier fixed panning,
- maybe even a real HPF?
Cool! Thanx!!
happy to share tips!
💎💎💎 very dope!
thanks ChyllWill!
Great stuff!!
Glad you enjoyed it
Great tip! thank you
Happy to share!
Question: How do YOU figure these things out? I'm amazed at how deep you dive into this thing!
Hi Kenni, thanks very much! I've been a beta tester and patch maker with Sequential for a long time, so I'm accustomed to their workflow well, but also I've spent a lot of time playing, goofing around, and exploring synths - which I strongly believe enables discovery. It's also fun!
Hey Peter! Thanks for the tips -- I learned a couple things I didn't know about my rev2: specifically that I could hold and press edit layer b to modify both layers. I don't know how I've managed to read and forget that in 3 passes through the manual. Time to read it again! Quick question -- what midi keyboard are you using and would you buy it again?
Happy to share, glad you learned something. I forget the hotkeys too sometimes. I'm using a Prophet XL as a midi controller, or hook up the rev2 module via USB and run it from other keyboards.
@@peterkeys88 thanks for sharing. How is the key-bed on the XL compared to the rev2? When I start to hammer on the rev2 like I would a piano, it bottoms out with that plastic clanky sound. I try to avoid this, but sometimes during really fast chord movements it's hard to avoid.
@@xil.sanctified the XL is much nicer - it's not "weighted" mind you (called semi-weighted, but like all boards labeled that it isn't really weighted to me). The PXL is massively smoother to play than the cheaper keybeds, very nice while not weighing a ton. I've hit that with the Rev2, Prologue, sub37, etc. It's the necessary evil to get that lower price point I'm afraid. I don't have answers, just sympathy, hah.
@@peterkeys88 sounds like we need to petition DSI for a premium keybed compatible with the aforementioned DSI models! or...if the aftermarket demand would warrant a side project like this, perhaps we should make that happen ;D
Thanks Peter! This is Awesome!
What it’s means about the output’s connectivity?
Do I have to use both A outputs (L/R) and B outputs (L/R) simultaneously to make it work? Or I might missed something?
thanks! As for the outputs, i prefer to use only outputs A. If you follow the guide in the beginning to disable multimode, then you should be good to have everything coming out of outputs A, and be enjoying the benefits of the binaural effects.
@@peterkeys88 Great! Thank you pal 🙏🏽
Cool, I finally have a good enough reason to push me into buying that extra 8 voices for me ol` Rev 2 at last, shweeeet
great, yes its definitely more pleasing with 16 voices in general.
Thank you!
happy to share!
Am I missing something? All the slots you said to go to were completely wrong on my REV 2. Have I missed the latest update?
hopefully this got resolved?
I figured out which slots they were in but still in totally different places for some weird reason. Was thinking about running the update to fix it but I’ve got so many sounds programmed already I don’t want to lose ‘em :)
Great video, thanks!
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hallo, ho did u make the 4:33 minute patch? can u share some intruccions here? pls:D
oh so u got them on sale hahah my bad, but i still ant to kno ho u made that patch u,u
@@souvlak1 Hi, it is using all of the LFO's and looping aux envelopes (which makes them LFOs) to keep things moving in subtle ways at all times. Assign them to interseting things like wave shape, cutoff, fine tune, lfo speed, lfo rates, etc. You can get fairely "modular" with all of those elements which is fun. Glad you liked it
Does this work for every sound after that you press?
Yes, for any single layer sound, you can do this method and get a wider sider by using both layers.
Nice! Anyone know if this can be done on the Prophet '08?
Great. What, then, has to be “set back to normal” after this, to make the Rev2 function as normal, after experimenting with this effect?
To revert, go to the mod matrix and remove the DC mod assingments on both layers (A/B). This could be done by reducing the value to 0, or changing the source or destination to "none". If you want to use the traditional pan spread, then turnt he pan spread knob up and youll be back to the alternating left and right panning.
Do I have the half of voices after this? Btw. can I play only 4 voices on this patch with an rev2-8 for example?
yes, it cuts the voices in half, since one is going Left and the other going Right simultaneously. If you have an 8 voice Rev2, then it'd be a 4 voice patch. The preset library shared in this video has both binaural, and regular versions in case you have an 8 voice and don't want to half the voices.
@@peterkeys88 thanks a lot. Better get a 16 voice 😊❤️
@@ashesnandroid5750 i do enjoy my 16! Especially on poly sounds with really long tails. If you have an 8 voice, the upgrade kit is an easy install.
Can you do this with both the 16voice one and the 8voicd one sorry noob question
Hi, yes you can. It cuts the voices in half for either since you are using a voice per stereo side. So 16 voices = 8 playable voices. And 8 = 4.
@@peterkeys88 thank you!
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Really useful information, helps my buying decisions. If you make a binaural library you might get rich. ({-;) sub.
I did make one, it's available on my website. I use it all the time myself. It really sings with a 16-voice rev2, but also works with an 8voice. Thanks for watching. www.peterdyer.net/product-page/mammoth-pads-for-prophet-rev2
@@peterkeys88 I missed it on your site, will recheck it. Can we use it on a 8 voice?
@@Sam_Utah Yes, it works fine on an 8voice, but since it cuts your voice count in half using both timbres for the ultrawide binaural effect, then a 16-voice becomes an 8-voice, and an 8voice becomes a 4-voice which can be limiting. There's also an export in there for regular non-binaural use, which also sounds great, just not as superwide - still wide though!
Could you do a side by side vs the take 5? As they are pretty close price wise
Hey man, I would go for the rev 2 ,I researched poly synth for 3 months straight starting with the Take5, then prophet 5 6 and 10 and OB6 and I snubbed the rev 2 at first as it is DCO however .....I explored the rev2 reviews and it has so much capability, its a no brainer. Spend a little more and you will be well rewarded. From a price point there is no other poly that can really compete, Novation is excellent but Novation owners have been switching to the rev2.
Hmm.. does the P08 also let you edit both layers at the same time and hard pan them?... time to try it out on mine.
I haven't touched a P08 in a a long time, so I'm not sure what settings it has. If i recall you hold down Edit Layer B just like the Rev2. Not sure about pan settings.
@@peterkeys88 Yes - the P08 is very similar to the rev2 with being able to edit both layers at the same time, but for panning you have to use a mod slot. I tried it out anyway with good effect - takes a bit of planning.
@@HyperionSynth Oh great, glad it can be applied to P08. I had one for a long time before i got a Rev2, but it's been years. Hard to remember
Great, I've been doing this kind of thing with the Prophet 12 for a long time... so the Super 6, while being a really cool synth, didn't sell me via the "binaural" feature.
Indeed, also a quiet feature/hack on our P12's! The super6 still looks great, and kudos to them for making it a single button to do. It's especially great on these boards with high voice counts. I would love to see other brands pick up a binaural button like the Super-6 to make the process a faster one. Novation Summit has polyphonic Unison Spread value in a menu that's similar, but also takes some dialing in.
Would you have to do this with every patch?
Yes, it's not a global setting, but per patch setting.
can you achieve binaural with the Prophet 6?
not polyphonically, but yes, in unison mode. Turn on Unison. Hold Unison to show how many voices are on in that made, and then press the "tens" button to increase the amount. 2 is a good start. Set Pan spread clockwise to the max. Now you have two seperate voices on each side playing at the same time. You can increase the difference between them by increasing the "Slop" amount.
Can you do phase shifting with de digital delay setting wet 100% and no feedback and small time amount on left the right side delay wet 100 and 0 time?
It should work in theorie but i dont know how the delay colors, destroys the sound
Stereo Trick from Dan Worall with voxengo delay:
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Hi, no the delay times do not go short enough to do phase shifting like that with the digital or analog emulation delays. But there is a phaser, flanger, and chorus effect available.
I've run into phase cancelling by doing it that way on other synths, so i prefer the width using this layer stacking method instead which is discrete per side.
@@peterkeys88 yeah dan yoused between 1-10 ms
Is this the 16 voice version?
yes, mines a 16, but it also works with an 8 in the same way.
Nice trick. Its not UDO true binaural... but a nice effect.
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Great. What, then, has to be “set back to normal” after this, to make the Rev2 function as normal, after experimenting with this effect?
the simplest way would be to reduce the "DC" mod slot back to 0, and press the layer button so that its just one layer again (no B).