I know the concept of a relationship with a woman MIGHT be a foreign concept to you guys, but there's a little known trope where a (usually attractive) woman ends up being the downfall of a powerful man with money. He makes exceptions for her, he turns a blind eye to her *usually* obvious flaws and issues, and everyone around them notices it but him. Now whether or not this makes it a better or worse movie is up for debate, but it is a very common trope, and I don't really think it flies in the face of Ace's trust issues.
Nah I understand it’s fair enough their relationship happened, I just wish I didn’t have to sit through it!😅 Casino was a top tier gangster movie with an almost entirely separate romance plot which made it way too long and was insufferable to watch J
What would the movie be without Ginger? What would Vegas be without the show girls and hookers? It would just be men sitting around the table playing poker and various sorts of scheming away from the table. What would male society be like without women for that matter? A long slow slide into death and darkness.
Well, here’s my thoughts: he’s a career man. He wants to make the Tangier as big as possible. He’s a professional, the best around at what he does. That’s always driven him. The conflict then is between him and Nicky. Ace wants to (sort of) go legit, Nicky wants to take advantage of the lack of organised crime in Vegas. Actually a really cool bit of conflict that I was 100% invested in and makes an excellent film. Since the Nicky and Ginger affair never amounts to anything, the ginger element becomes superfluous. I wouldn’t mind but it’s also infuriating to be audience to and has no material impact on the gripping Ace/Nicky story. It can be scrapped and the film then also happens to become a more palatable size at the same time. What do you reckon? J
I know the concept of a relationship with a woman MIGHT be a foreign concept to you guys, but there's a little known trope where a (usually attractive) woman ends up being the downfall of a powerful man with money. He makes exceptions for her, he turns a blind eye to her *usually* obvious flaws and issues, and everyone around them notices it but him. Now whether or not this makes it a better or worse movie is up for debate, but it is a very common trope, and I don't really think it flies in the face of Ace's trust issues.
Nah I understand it’s fair enough their relationship happened, I just wish I didn’t have to sit through it!😅 Casino was a top tier gangster movie with an almost entirely separate romance plot which made it way too long and was insufferable to watch
J
Also good to see you back here Locke 👍
What would the movie be without Ginger? What would Vegas be without the show girls and hookers?
It would just be men sitting around the table playing poker and various sorts of scheming away from the table.
What would male society be like without women for that matter? A long slow slide into death and darkness.
To be fair to Jambo, I don't think he was suggesting we chin off all women
Fred
@@MateNight Thanks! Enjoy your content guys, even if I don't alway see eye to eye. Always nice seeing another perspective.
...then what is the conflict for DeNiro's character? What is he doing it all for?
Well, here’s my thoughts: he’s a career man. He wants to make the Tangier as big as possible. He’s a professional, the best around at what he does. That’s always driven him.
The conflict then is between him and Nicky. Ace wants to (sort of) go legit, Nicky wants to take advantage of the lack of organised crime in Vegas. Actually a really cool bit of conflict that I was 100% invested in and makes an excellent film.
Since the Nicky and Ginger affair never amounts to anything, the ginger element becomes superfluous. I wouldn’t mind but it’s also infuriating to be audience to and has no material impact on the gripping Ace/Nicky story. It can be scrapped and the film then also happens to become a more palatable size at the same time.
What do you reckon?
J