exactly how I load mine that break over with any wetness is a no go for sure. this is the best way. curious what you and others think about possibly damaging the hydraulics when loading and unloading?
Nice, it does work well. I don't think it damages the hydraulics. Hydraulic cylinders and valves undergo a lot more shock load than that on excavators and skid steers I'd say. I don't worry about it at all.
I load my KX040 in mine. I back up the ramps. Blade towards the front of the trailer, boom and bucket towards the rear. I don’t tilt the trailer. Blade towards front of the trailer distributes the weight just right. Unloading is a breeze. Drive right out forward. Backing in isn’t as sketchy as it sounds. It’s really easy. My PJ trailer has the support jacks that just drop down to the ground.
I just uploaded a newer video of putting my kx040 in the trailer. Backed on like you mentioned. It's a little tight and I always prefer to use my equipment trailer. But sometimes I have to make due.
@@NealORussa you either back in or back out. I still find the weight distribution and ride is much better. I’d also rather drive out forward like I said previously. With the length of my trailer at 14 feet, the cab sits directly over the axles.
I've got a Lamar 7x14 low profile and I load my equipment similarly except it has built in rear jacks that drop down to stabilize it. I have rigged up a wireless remote too and for loading and spreading it's a lifesaver! I need to do a video like this of loading my CAT 305CR (11k lbs) because I couldn't seem to find many pics or video of anything larger than a 3.5 ton mini in a dump trailer. It BARELY fits width wise at 6.5' but tows great. I back it on and run tongue heavy on a Ram 3500 DRW. Tows surprisingly well!
Thanks for the reply! I am a bit afraid of putting a larger machine in my trailer mainly due to the thin wall tube on the back that my ramp mounts are welded to. I have beefed it up by adding 1/4" angle iron between the thin tube and ramp mount, but I think I'll stick to my equipment trailer for the big ex. I thought about adding jacks to my trailer, but i dont really have a good way to do it without them dragging badly while tailgating rock. And the wood blocks were cheap lol!
Going to try this, unloaded my little e10 and it was definitely puckering. That leaning it does when get on the ramps is not a feeling i see myself getting used to.
Good video, I like the idea of the trailer and ramps on the same plain. I load my mini and Bobcat into my dump all the time and that little drop makes me tense every time!
The dump trailer has a d ring in each corner. But honestly they are welded to the bed floor, which is just think 10 or 12 gauge plate. For my chains though, I use 4, 4' long chains with a large log hook on one end and a chain hook on the other. Then I use ratchet binders with the mini's and snap binders with the ctl. The 4' chains are a HUGE improvement over lugging around 10' or 20' full length chains.
Thanks for the video Neal. I have a 16' gooseneck dump bed trailer. I tried to load my KX 033-4 into it and it was tight enough that I couldn't turn the house around. Using your tipping the bed down method to load, I think I would feel better about backing out of the trailer. I'll give it a try and let you know how it worked.
@@NealORussa Well Neal, I gave it a try and it worked great! My first attempt at loading before I learned your method wasn't pleasant. Raising the bed and using the blocks of wood made all the difference in the world. Thanks again for the tip, I appreciate it.
@@duanemorrison6173 I've just purchased a KX033 and I'm getting ready to buy a dump trailer. Would you mind sharing what model you have and if you'd recommend it? Mine won't be gooseneck. My assumption is a low profile 16' 14K is appropriate but would love your feedback.
@@justin8360 I have a 2017 Ironbull 16' gooseneck dump trailer. It is a triple axel 21000#. I like Ironbull, I have a 24' hydraulic tilt flat bed 24000# trailer, also triple axel. Diamond C is a better brand but are really pricey. My trailers serve me well.
Mine is 6x14 and that kx71-3 fit fine. I'm sure you could probably get a 35 in a 12'er. Just make sure it has 14k axles and not 10k. You'd be overloading it on 10k.
That's a good method, you make me a little nervous sitting down behind that heavy excavator while it slowly tilts towards you. I would probably stand back and watch it.
Nice video, Neal! Is this the 91-3 or 121-3 excavator? And I guess this is a 14ft trailer? I got a kx040 (same size as the 121) and wonder if it would fit in a 12 foot dump trailer (with the bucket resting in front of the box).
Thanks eagle! That is a kx71-3. It is a 14'x7' trailer. I would probably try a kx121, but I do not want to try with my kx161 because I'm nervous about the strength of the rear beam where the ramps attach. As far as fitment, if you are able to swing a little you can spin the house and swivel the boom at the tree pivot and put the bucket in the corner of the trailer instead of straight down the middle. That would help you with space to get far enough forward with the tracks for weight over the axles. I've also heard of guys hauling the larger machines in dump trailers backwards so the boom faces the rear. But that would also make it a little tongue heavy on the truck.
@@NealORussa Great tips! hadn't considered the twisty setup and trying to put the bucket in the corner. I'm guessing the other big option is to load with the blade behind , which allows the whole machine to move forward a lot more. But it will be tight either way :)
How is the tongue weight, I load blade forward and bucket in the rear corner of the tailgate, feels like I have too much tongue weight. I will have to give this a try! Thanks for the great video.
Thanks for the comment Eric! I feel the tongue weight it good when hauling like this. Each machine and trailer might be a little different though. But tilting the trailer to load is the way to go! I even started doing it when loading my skid steer as well.
You seem like a really nice guy, so I want not to say anything negative... but that was just loony. Seriously, you were putting the dump up while sitting right behind the machine.. you understand it can just slide backwards... If that bed was new, or wet, or you had steel tracks, that unit would be off the back of the trailer before you could get the dump down. I hope others see this comment so they don't do the same. I realize that going over the breakover Feels unnerving, but it's only momentarily. On the way out, put the bucket on the ground so you can let it tilt forward and not slam the ramps. There's No Cleating on the steel floor of a dump trailer to keep the unit from sliding down ~
Thanks for the comment. I'm not afraid of the break over but moreso the stress it puts on truck and hitch and transmission when loading and unloading into a dump trailer. I agree sitting behind it probably wasn't the best for this video, but if you do the calcs with friction factor of rubber on steel and the weight of machine and slope angle, it isn't sliding anywhere. Wet or dry. I have a similar video of doing this with a larger kx040 machine and in that video I do all the lifting and lowering from the seat of the machine with my wireless remote.
exactly how I load mine that break over with any wetness is a no go for sure. this is the best way. curious what you and others think about possibly damaging the hydraulics when loading and unloading?
Nice, it does work well. I don't think it damages the hydraulics. Hydraulic cylinders and valves undergo a lot more shock load than that on excavators and skid steers I'd say. I don't worry about it at all.
I load my KX040 in mine. I back up the ramps. Blade towards the front of the trailer, boom and bucket towards the rear. I don’t tilt the trailer. Blade towards front of the trailer distributes the weight just right. Unloading is a breeze. Drive right out forward. Backing in isn’t as sketchy as it sounds. It’s really easy. My PJ trailer has the support jacks that just drop down to the ground.
I just uploaded a newer video of putting my kx040 in the trailer. Backed on like you mentioned. It's a little tight and I always prefer to use my equipment trailer. But sometimes I have to make due.
@@NealORussa you either back in or back out. I still find the weight distribution and ride is much better. I’d also rather drive out forward like I said previously. With the length of my trailer at 14 feet, the cab sits directly over the axles.
I've got a Lamar 7x14 low profile and I load my equipment similarly except it has built in rear jacks that drop down to stabilize it. I have rigged up a wireless remote too and for loading and spreading it's a lifesaver! I need to do a video like this of loading my CAT 305CR (11k lbs) because I couldn't seem to find many pics or video of anything larger than a 3.5 ton mini in a dump trailer. It BARELY fits width wise at 6.5' but tows great. I back it on and run tongue heavy on a Ram 3500 DRW. Tows surprisingly well!
Thanks for the reply! I am a bit afraid of putting a larger machine in my trailer mainly due to the thin wall tube on the back that my ramp mounts are welded to. I have beefed it up by adding 1/4" angle iron between the thin tube and ramp mount, but I think I'll stick to my equipment trailer for the big ex. I thought about adding jacks to my trailer, but i dont really have a good way to do it without them dragging badly while tailgating rock. And the wood blocks were cheap lol!
Saaaweet. I envy the remote. For me it's hand pumpin. Getting out of that tilted cabine is going to be a struggle, lol.
This is the wireless remote i got. It's awesome! amzn.to/3SmxLu9
Going to try this, unloaded my little e10 and it was definitely puckering. That leaning it does when get on the ramps is not a feeling i see myself getting used to.
Thanks James! I think this is definitely the way to go if your trailer doesnt have drop jacks.
Good video, I like the idea of the trailer and ramps on the same plain. I load my mini and Bobcat into my dump all the time and that little drop makes me tense every time!
Thanks Sean! Definitely give it a try and let us know. I think it's a lot better on the truck and trailer as well.
How do you strap/chain it down in the trailer? Are there hook points in the dump bed?
The dump trailer has a d ring in each corner. But honestly they are welded to the bed floor, which is just think 10 or 12 gauge plate.
For my chains though, I use 4, 4' long chains with a large log hook on one end and a chain hook on the other. Then I use ratchet binders with the mini's and snap binders with the ctl. The 4' chains are a HUGE improvement over lugging around 10' or 20' full length chains.
Will have to try this approach next time I load mine. New Subscriber, good content man.
Good deal let us know how it works for you! I'll check out your channel too, thanks!
Thanks for the video Neal. I have a 16' gooseneck dump bed trailer. I tried to load my KX 033-4 into it and it was tight enough that I couldn't turn the house around. Using your tipping the bed down method to load, I think I would feel better about backing out of the trailer. I'll give it a try and let you know how it worked.
Awesome, yes definitely report back, and if you don't have a wireless remote for your trailer yet, I definitely recommend one!
@@NealORussa Well Neal, I gave it a try and it worked great! My first attempt at loading before I learned your method wasn't pleasant. Raising the bed and using the blocks of wood made all the difference in the world. Thanks again for the tip, I appreciate it.
@@duanemorrison6173 awesome Duane! Great to hear, work safe and have fun!
@@duanemorrison6173 I've just purchased a KX033 and I'm getting ready to buy a dump trailer. Would you mind sharing what model you have and if you'd recommend it? Mine won't be gooseneck. My assumption is a low profile 16' 14K is appropriate but would love your feedback.
@@justin8360 I have a 2017 Ironbull 16' gooseneck dump trailer. It is a triple axel 21000#. I like Ironbull, I have a 24' hydraulic tilt flat bed 24000# trailer, also triple axel. Diamond C is a better brand but are really pricey. My trailers serve me well.
Thanks Neal!
Hey l have a 6×12 dump trailer, will a Kubota u35-4 fit inside. Thanks
Mine is 6x14 and that kx71-3 fit fine. I'm sure you could probably get a 35 in a 12'er. Just make sure it has 14k axles and not 10k. You'd be overloading it on 10k.
That's a good method, you make me a little nervous sitting down behind that heavy excavator while it slowly tilts towards you. I would probably stand back and watch it.
Yeah. Especially if the bed had dry gravel or sand residue in it. That angle looked like a little grit and it would slide right out.
Thanks for the comment, definitely a good idea!
Nice video, Neal! Is this the 91-3 or 121-3 excavator? And I guess this is a 14ft trailer? I got a kx040 (same size as the 121) and wonder if it would fit in a 12 foot dump trailer (with the bucket resting in front of the box).
Thanks eagle! That is a kx71-3. It is a 14'x7' trailer. I would probably try a kx121, but I do not want to try with my kx161 because I'm nervous about the strength of the rear beam where the ramps attach.
As far as fitment, if you are able to swing a little you can spin the house and swivel the boom at the tree pivot and put the bucket in the corner of the trailer instead of straight down the middle. That would help you with space to get far enough forward with the tracks for weight over the axles.
I've also heard of guys hauling the larger machines in dump trailers backwards so the boom faces the rear. But that would also make it a little tongue heavy on the truck.
@@NealORussa Great tips! hadn't considered the twisty setup and trying to put the bucket in the corner. I'm guessing the other big option is to load with the blade behind , which allows the whole machine to move forward a lot more. But it will be tight either way :)
14' is a must. I wish I had "stepped up" and bought a 16'.
How is the tongue weight, I load blade forward and bucket in the rear corner of the tailgate, feels like I have too much tongue weight. I will have to give this a try! Thanks for the great video.
Thanks for the comment Eric! I feel the tongue weight it good when hauling like this. Each machine and trailer might be a little different though. But tilting the trailer to load is the way to go! I even started doing it when loading my skid steer as well.
Beautiful! That's the way to do it!
It sure is! Makes it easy especially with the wireless remote!
Nice!
Done with common sense and care
No problem with that !
Thanks for the comment!
I will give that a try when load CTL tomorrow
Awesome let us know how it goes! What size CTL do you have?
@@NealORussa 325 G
sweet, I have been thinking about a 317, but may stay with asv and get the new rt40. Right now I think I need to stay in the smaller class.
if you decide to sell let me know
Will do! It's always hard to part with a piece of equipment because I feel like once I do, I need it the next day!
You seem like a really nice guy, so I want not to say anything negative... but that was just loony.
Seriously, you were putting the dump up while sitting right behind the machine.. you understand it can just slide backwards...
If that bed was new, or wet, or you had steel tracks, that unit would be off the back of the trailer before you could get the dump down.
I hope others see this comment so they don't do the same. I realize that going over the breakover Feels unnerving, but it's only momentarily.
On the way out, put the bucket on the ground so you can let it tilt forward and not slam the ramps.
There's No Cleating on the steel floor of a dump trailer to keep the unit from sliding down ~
Thanks for the comment. I'm not afraid of the break over but moreso the stress it puts on truck and hitch and transmission when loading and unloading into a dump trailer. I agree sitting behind it probably wasn't the best for this video, but if you do the calcs with friction factor of rubber on steel and the weight of machine and slope angle, it isn't sliding anywhere. Wet or dry. I have a similar video of doing this with a larger kx040 machine and in that video I do all the lifting and lowering from the seat of the machine with my wireless remote.