As far as bagging, Making it more strategic is actually better in my opinion. I actually enjoy frontrunning just because I like to drive fast. To know that it’s actually more viable than before, I’m actually happy about that 👍🏽
I said this in a few othe replies but casuals who never touch this game in lounge or high VR are extremely misinformed on what bagging actually is. The change doesn't really matter either way, bagging will ALWAYS be secondary/Plan B to running. Except on a select few tracks.
i really like the fact that they nerfed bagging, but not to the extent of always getting a banana in 10th place even if youre not bagging. in my opinion, this is the perfect mix of the two.
Some people have already pointed that out, but the cat cruiser has 2 points of invicibility more that the teddy buggy. So its technicaly better, except that its a kart and not an ATV.
The kart vs atv argument has never been actually verified by any real metric so I wouldn’t worry about that. The hitbox size is real but it’s almost certainly worth the i frames you gain.
There are no differenve between kart and ATV exept the fact that character use their bike suit on them Also Teddy Buggy got a way smaller hitbox than catcruiser so thats why it has less i-frame And smaller hitbox is better not only to dodge the item but it also helps in certain shortcut because you are smaller Its kinda rare that I-frame matters
@@anonyme4881Hitboxes don't actually matter and nobody will convince me otherwise. You can use the smallest hitbox build and still get absolutely obliterated by items, believe me I know from many experiences.
@@geo3317 if hitbox never mattered at all every best mk8 player wouldnt use teddy buggy since it has 2 less i-frame than cat cruiser, making you more immune to item...... Just look at mk8 tournament, and its true for nearly all kart. Its not about item, its about taking shortcut and turn while taking the shortest path which tons of time involve getting extremly close to wall Also some shortcut are way easier with small hitbox like the mushroom gorge turn skip where you can easely get stuck and fall with a big kart
You're not the only one. I'm getting sick of it too. I barely watch JPGiviner's videos, because he uses the same character and the same vehicle combo in almost every single competitive Mario Kart video.
@@WillaRDash04same, it also doesn’t help that he pushes the whole “you *have* to use this specific combo or you lose” mentality, which just makes me think that using anything else will cause you to get targeted by the rest of the room and forced to lose for not following the hivemind
@@OtisCluck That's right. Besides, I lose more with Yoshi teddybuggy/cat-cruiser than with Rosalina cat-cruiser. Now it's like JPGiviner told me a lie about the best combo. Shortcat always say that we should play with our favorite character, because they're all fine and able to win. If we lose with our favorite, it means we play badly or had bad luck in the race. Shortcat won't say that we lose by the character which we use.
I just wanna put this out there. The Cat Cruiser is the exact same thing as the Teddybuggy except it has higher invincibility. So the Cat Cruiser is actually better.
Cat Cruiser is the same? Might switch to that then for when I'm maining Pauline, cause I hate the look of the Teddy bear. That's the problem with these Meta build vehicle parts, they look unattractive, I really wished we gotten kart parts from Tour
@@dantemustdie00 Yeah, that's why i prefer Peachette, City Tripper, Rollers, Peach Parasol. It's very similar to Yoshi Teddybuggy but it looks much better.
Thanks JPG! Are you going to address the slight meta change between Cat cruiser and Teddy buggy? Cat got a slight buff to invincibility. But teddy still “feels” way better.
I loved inside drift in MKWII and they came back in this game and they are pretty good. Thanks JPG for telling us this. I can play MK8DX with inside drifting bikes and won't lost "that" many races.
I used to use the Yoshi Bike, the Jet Bike and the Sport Bike. I never stopped using them until I realized Yoshi Teddybuggy was the best combo in the game.
I'd argue that the Rosalina, Waluigi, Bowser, and Wario weight classes still have their advantages right now. On tracks that favour speed like Moonview or bagging like Dry Dry Desert they will pull ahead of the Medium characters. Also shoutouts to the Baby Mario class for having to highest MT stat while losing the least amount of speed for it (still 4, yeesh).
Worth noting that the speed of your mini turbo boost is dependent on both the speed stat and the mini turbo stat. So by going with Yoshi, you lose 1 mini turbo, but gain 4 speed, and thus get better mini turbo boosts.
The fact that they lowkey made Peachette meta makes me so happy, its a nice dig to all those people hating on her inclusion, no wonder im seeing her online a lot lately compared to Diddy, Funky or Pauline.
I'm a bit disappointed that the meta hasn't changed the meta tires or glider much, so we're basically stuck with the same tires and gliders for a decade and for more, but I don't mind anymore. I'm glad that at least we got a better looking combo than waluigi wiggler.
For a person that is at 16000 VR I can say that this is reliable but I choose not to listen to it. I use funky Kong , flame rider and rollers for stats and Mario kart wii memories.
I actually still want bagging to be viable, I just want it to be much more strategic and the fact that now there is no guarentee to get a bullet or something it turns bagging into something you do only when you get commode, which is how I feel it should be
I actually really like the place the meta is in. I know this is a super casual mindset but I just like the look of Yoshi Teddybuggy so much more plus the variety in colours really makes races never feel like the same character is there. As for bagging, I'm just glad frontrunning isn't mostly an invalid way to play now. I knew bagging wouldn't be completely gone and that staying behind would still be the best strat for tracks like Cheese Land and Dry Dry Desert, there is more risk involved now which I think is a good place to have it.
An inside drift build that I’ve been seeing more and more is: Rosalina, Comet, GLA Tires, and Cloud Glider… From what I know, this is b/c mini turbo isn’t as critical for inside drift. It’s still the most important stat, but others are still very important, so it isn’t as wise to fully min max. Something that people might not know is that for inside drift, driving lines > mini turbos. If you give up a perfect line to get an ultra, that would be considered a mistake. Compared to the Yoshi meta build, you loose some mini turbo and acceleration in exchange for: significantly more speed, slightly more traction, and over double the weight and invincibility. That being said, the mini turbo stat is still very high and you will be getting ultras left and right. Same thing with acceleration, it’s still very good.
Tanooki Mario, Inkling Boy, and Villager Male are actually BETTER than Yoshi, Peach, Peachette, Daisy, and Birdo. Also, the Cat Cruiser is better than the Teddy Buggy. The thing is, traction stat is actually divided into two separate stats in the game: On-Road Traction and Off-Road Traction. Tanooki Mario, Inking Boy and Villager Male all have 7 On-Road Traction and 1 Off-Road Traction while Yoshi, Peach, Peachette, Daisy, and Birdo all have only 3 On-Road Traction and 3 Off-Road Traction. So While the Yoshi class has slightly better Off-Road Traction, the Tanooki Mario class has significantly better On-Road Traction and also has a better weight stat. As for the Cat Cruiser, it has all the same stats as the Teddy Buggy except for Invincibility Frames, which the Cat Cruiser has a stat of three vs the Teddy Buggy's 1. This means that the Cat Cruiser is objectively better. That being said, the only reason why almost everyone uses the Yoshi stat class, specifically Yoshi himself, with the Teddy Buggy is because it's what all the TH-camrs say to use.
If you are playing online, PLEASE just choose a combo you think looks cool or with your favourite character instead of the meta. Unless your combo is literally the worst one (or the second worst one) you will still be able to get first fairly often, if you are skilled. And if you are lacking that skill, playing the meta won’t change that. While in competitive tournaments, the meta does matter, in your average online match, you probably won’t go up against professionals. By not playing the meta online, you can help get more variety into lobbies, making the races more fun for everyone. And even if you *must* play meta, just don’t go Yoshi + Teddy Buggy, but maybe Birdo + Cat Cruiser. Still the same stats!
The vehicles aren't the issues, the lag trailing, shells doing absolutely nothing to others, and the unpredictable item boxes are annoying. I don't know how anyone enjoys worldwide. You literally get hit by 5 items which you don't even see on your screen most of the time.
I dont know why the popular opinion is anti-bagging. I think bagging provides a well needed variety to gameplay instead of front running every race which might as well be time trials. I like the skill ceiling of maximizing every power item you do or don't get. Even in 12th place it's good fun to blast through the course at speeds otherwise not possible and I think it's a good thing to allow players the choice to play in this way if they want to.
Casuals who never touch this game in lounge or high VR are extremely misinformed on what bagging actually is yet circlejerk each other. The change doesn't really matter either way, bagging will ALWAYS be secondary/a Plan B to running. Except on a select few tracks.
Sandbagging isn't necessarily bad, but when you have to go through the row of item boxes multiple times just to get power items and essentially stall the race, that's where I have a problem. You can sandbag, but you also have to race at the same time, and with what Nintendo has implemented in the latest patch, I think that will encourage drivers to not ultra sandbag. The only way to get rid of sandbagging is if you only make maps that are frontrunning maps, make the items less powerful, or you incentivize drivers to front run the race, like rewarding points each lap. I also think each vehicle should have its strengths and weaknesses. Have different classes of vehicles. I know they tried doing this in MKWii, but I think having something like inside drift with not a lot of straightaway speed would be a good balance. Inside drift can be viable on curvy tracks, but not on tracks with a lot of straights. A kart with its speed will have an advantage with straighter maps, but takes corners wider. That's probably how Nintendo should have handled MKWii in the first place, but I digress. Mario Kart typically sees 1, maybe 2 combos really dominate the meta, but I think it should be more than that, given how many vehicle combinations there are.
why do all players of nintendo games just only try to get the best stuff and look for the best this and that, its just all competitive competition. Its like nobody plays for fun
I think due to the slight mini turbo difference of the ink-striker and teddy buggy, the ink-striker should be the better combo due to its higher speed.
@@Just-Yosh1this is not a real thing. There’s never been any evidence to suggest atvs and Karts handle differently outside of the inconsistencies of the mushroom wheelie that atvs can have
I like what they did with bagging. I think it is a legit strategy that should stay viable and I enjoy doing it myself sometimes, however they were right to nerf it because before it felt like you could do it mindlessly. Making it harder to chain a lot of power items should make bagging a bit more skillful
The meta won’t stop me from using what I like. To me being good at a game means using what you’re comfortable with to win. If you play a game but you only do what other people do because it’s most effective, then are you really playing the game?
That's right. Rosalina Teddybuggy/Cat-cruiser is comfortable for me to win/survive. Yoshi Teddybuggy/Cat-cruiser sucks and is a good option to lose for me.
the gameplay matters more than the affects of your character to most people. If you concern yourself with aesthetics and can’t adapt to how the game is at a base level then you’re not really that into the game. It’s fine to play a game for reasons other than just winning but I find a lot of people get disillusioned with a game because they aren’t honest with their intentions. If someone wants to play a game to win in a way they find fun then that’s ok but you should fully acknowledge that you aren’t playing to win.
The change doesn't really matter either way, bagging will ALWAYS be secondary/a Plan B to running. Except on a select few tracks. Casuals who never touch this game in lounge or high VR are extremely misinformed on what bagging actually is
@@Mike-AlThe only issue I have with it is literally some tracks are win or lose based on bagging. Even without a shock on a track like Cheese-land no matter how big your lead is you still manage to fall behind. I feel like the distance based items should cap at a certain distance so people aren’t intentionally slowing down. The only issue with that is everyone is so close together than 1 blue shell can easily ruin your race. In a perfect world better driving would mean better results but currently even with the bagging nerf some tracks will never escape that.
Great Video JPG! Even though the Cat Cruiser has more invincibility than the Teddy Buggy in the most recent patch, I would still agree that Yoshi on the Teddy Buggy is the way to go!
It's pretty good that Nintendo chose to make the Middle-Weights the best, because that means Heavys and Light Chars are more viable in comparison. Back then when the Heavys dominated Mario Kart 8, Middleweights were okay and Lightweights were trash. So it's in the middle of those 3
Can someone explain why only the two karts are recommended? I thought the Standard Kart, Cat Cruiser, Prancer, Sneeker, The Duke, and the 300 SL Roadster all had the same stats as the Teddy Buggy - so why limit us to only that and the Cat Cruiser??
@@gamecubeplayer oh thanks. Someone should really consider updating the Mario Kart wiki then as it's completely wrong, it says these stats are the same in 8 deluxe
Birdo and Peachette are the same as Yoshi Kamek is the same as Luigi Petey is the same as Metal Mario but uses a large kart Wiggler is the same as Waluigi but uses a medium kart Funky is the same as Wario Pauline is the same as Rosalina Diddy is the same as Cat Peach
I’ve been a yoshi main since I started playing the game (about 5 years ago now, damn) and it’s really nice to see my boy finally getting some recognition
Until i die, I will only use Wiggler on the Wiggler. With also the added bonus of if their is a wiggler on the track, you instantly get a good placing.
for a brief period the best combo was mario with standard kart, gla tires and standard glider and i kinda wish it was still like that cause it was the funniest shit to beat everyone online with the most basic set. But as a Yoshi main i'm also happy that he's now meta material
I layed down in bed to chill for a bit. Pulled up youtube and saw this. Imediatly got out of bed to try a yoshi build out lmao. I was rockin waluigi up until now. My brother and his wife got me into this recently, so im still new to all of these BIG changes since mario kart 64 haha. Apreciate the video brother
Hot take, but I actually liked the old meta better then the new one. I am the kind of person that likes a combo to look good. Not saying that Waluigi wiggler was easy to look at, but it was at least a bit funny. Waluigi being probably the most meme character on the roster and him riding around on a wiggler had some comedic value. Yoshi teddybugy just don't look that great and has nothing else going for it. I know I will have to use it eventually when I hit a high enough VR were that extra stat boost is critical, but I do wish we got something else.
funky kong with mr scooty/biddy buggy has fairly similar stats to yoshi teddy buggy with the main stat differences being more speed and invincibility in exchange for worse miniturbo
The meta is cool in all but when comes to characters I don't use Yoshi. Why? Because he's not my cup of tea and I rather go as the characters I'm comfortable with like Metal Mario. But when it comes to the karts, I stick with meta.
I think Peach and Daisy are better than Yoshi despite them having the same stats because since their heads are smaller it would be easier to see items. That's why Waluigi was better than DK or Roy.
I would say that Tanooki Mario/Inkling Boy/Male Villager + pipe frame is the best combo. It has the same ground speed, weight, and mini-turbo as Yoshi + Teddy Buggy but is superior in terms of almost every other stat. The only stats where Yoshi + Teddy buggy exceeds it are air speed, anti-gravity speed, air handling, and traction. Air speed and air handling aren't super important since you don't do a lot of gliding on most tracks. The importance of anti-gravity speed depends very heavily on the track, but I believe the majority of tracks don't have huge amounts of anti-gravity. And traction is by far the least important stat IMO since it has literally no effect except on off-road.
I'd argue that Rosalina's weight class (Rosalina, Pauline, King Boo, Link) is better than all the midweights (including Yoshi's class) for certain maps with less tight turns and more boost panels, and it's also better for bagging. You lose 0.5 miniturbo to get an equivalent amount of extra speed. You also lose 0.5 acceleration but it's not very important and it's kinda compensated by that +0.75 invincibility (that reduces your chance of being Mario Karted). Worse handling by 0.5, but if you're a good driver you will barely feel the difference, also you have that +0.75 weight to push your opponents and to prevent them from messing up your lines (since most players use midweights). Overall, I think Rosalina's weight class requires more skill but it can definitely keep up with the midweights, if not even be better in the situations I previously described. Other than that, I think your video was well done and gave a great overview. As for bagging, I'm personally happy with the state it's in now and don't think it needs another nerf. Before the changes, bagging was already a strategy that required more skill than frontrunning (generally). Now the skill floor has been increased (and this will be felt especially at a not particularly competitive level), but it can certainly give exceptional results if you know what you are doing. I think frontrunning and bagging are both two valid strategies... and they actually complement each other since to really get the best results you have to be able to adopt one or the other strategy depending on the map and situation you find yourself in, and quickly switch between one and the other if necessary.
So is the waluigi wigglier nerf only affected when you get the booster pack, or is it in general? I would like to know because I have Mario kart but not the dlc and it would help understand what’s good now.
funky kong with mr scooty/biddy buggy has fairly similar stats to yoshi teddy buggy with the main stat differences being more speed and invincibility in exchange for worse miniturbo
I love how yoshi teddy bear is the best but there are still so many combos which are viable (I still wish Diddy Kong was added to one of the best classes like maybe he could have had Kamek stats but instead he's just Yoshi but with less speed but he's so cool so I don't care if he's not the best) my favorite vehicle is the City Tripper lol it's really cool
Giving my opinion here. Almost any combo can be good or even great but, for me, the best combo in the moment for 150cc is no doubth Yoshi, Teddy Buggy/Cat Cruiser, Roller Tires and Cloud Glider/Paper Glider and for 200cc since you dont want Speed but rather Mini-Turbo, Acceleration and Handling, the best combo Is Dry-Bone(r), Mr. Scooty, Roller Tires and Cloud/Paper Glider. The 200cc one has almost the same Accel, Handling AND Mini-Turbo as the combos with the best respective stats whitch is INSANE cause is almost like 3 max stats that are also the exact stats you want! Plus it gets a bonus cause yk, Dry-Bone(r) supremacy
Mini turbo stat is more important than any other stat in the game. Losing a single point in mini turbo would almost be worth one stat in every category.
I was surprised that they did no nerf to roller or the teddy buggy with the final wave, i know there will always be a meta and best build but i think they could have balanced it better, maybe they were too scared to create something like the Waluigi wiggler meta again by buffing something
is there a difference between the normal roller wheels and the azure roller wheels i was just wondering because i like things to match like using blue yoshi with teddy buggy but if it makes me slower then i wont use it
Most of the time I also use builds I like so I also throw in pieces like the land ship, Koopa clown, city tripper, Mach 8, silver arrow, sponge tires, and leaf tires on top of all the meta build and still find success online weather that’s worldwide or sometimes even in competitive
Yep! I'm already getting tired of seeing Yoshi everywhere I'm starting to miss Waluigi. Or even better, Make Funky Kong the new meta so we have Mario Kart Wii on the Switch!
It's a real shame that at the end they kept lightweight characters as mediocre. Absolutely no reason to use them. I just want to play ma' boy Toad without feeling I'm unnecessarily hindering myself :'(
It annoys me beyond belief that there's a meta in Mario Kart, why are there so many vehicles to choose from yet we can only use 2 or 3 combos in order to perform perfectly? Seriously makes me mad
I love how I used the meta before anyone else I’ve used the bearington wagon when the game came out on wii u and everyone is just now realizing how could that kart is
If you go online there's a lot more of variety and it's much more fun to watch. I think I will stick to using characters I like which are Funky Kong and miis
I use Shy guy/Dry Bones (Alternating) With rollers, Cloud, and either Mr. Scooty or Biddybuggy. Pretty good speed, amazing acceleration, and amazing Mini Turbo. I do sometimes use Yoshi Teddy though
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As far as bagging, Making it more strategic is actually better in my opinion. I actually enjoy frontrunning just because I like to drive fast. To know that it’s actually more viable than before, I’m actually happy about that 👍🏽
Me too. Its a racing game after all lol
It took me a while to figure out why lap 1 was first place, lap 2 first place, last lap loser…. It’s a welcome change for me as well.
I said this in a few othe replies but casuals who never touch this game in lounge or high VR are extremely misinformed on what bagging actually is. The change doesn't really matter either way, bagging will ALWAYS be secondary/Plan B to running. Except on a select few tracks.
Its not only a racing game its also a strategie game bagging made more strategie and if you got mariokarted you acctually had a chance to come back
@65435 Well yes, but it's core is racing and everyone waiting at the beginning isn't that fun and it's just luck and no skill sometimes
Thank you JPG for caring about us inside drift mains
imagine using inside drift cringe
errrrrm
i agree yoshi bike is w
@@EnheTook50Benadryl but its fun D:
@@EnheTook50Benadrylwhy might that be
i really like the fact that they nerfed bagging, but not to the extent of always getting a banana in 10th place even if youre not bagging. in my opinion, this is the perfect mix of the two.
I'm glad that Mii's and Mario are good in the game, that way I can pick my favourite character without getting last every race lol. Cool video :D
I enjoyed this video so I gave it a like and subscribe 👍🔥 I'd much rather see a room of yoshi teddy buggy than waluigi wiggler!
Omg hi shortcat
waluigi wiggler is like an authoritarian ruler and yoshi teddy buggy is a colorful and more democratic authoritarian ruler
Honestly it'd be insanely funny to stumble across a room of Yoshi Yoshi(bike)s
Well well well, look who it is. I told you the pipe frame was viable and that acceleration was the most important stat 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@pnut3844able Hi pnutable!!! big fan
3:53 That transition from Comet to Yoshi Bike was clean 👏🏻
Some people have already pointed that out, but the cat cruiser has 2 points of invicibility more that the teddy buggy. So its technicaly better, except that its a kart and not an ATV.
The kart vs atv argument has never been actually verified by any real metric so I wouldn’t worry about that. The hitbox size is real but it’s almost certainly worth the i frames you gain.
There are no differenve between kart and ATV exept the fact that character use their bike suit on them
Also Teddy Buggy got a way smaller hitbox than catcruiser so thats why it has less i-frame
And smaller hitbox is better not only to dodge the item but it also helps in certain shortcut because you are smaller
Its kinda rare that I-frame matters
@@anonyme4881Hitboxes don't actually matter and nobody will convince me otherwise. You can use the smallest hitbox build and still get absolutely obliterated by items, believe me I know from many experiences.
@@geo3317 if hitbox never mattered at all every best mk8 player wouldnt use teddy buggy since it has 2 less i-frame than cat cruiser, making you more immune to item......
Just look at mk8 tournament, and its true for nearly all kart. Its not about item, its about taking shortcut and turn while taking the shortest path which tons of time involve getting extremly close to wall
Also some shortcut are way easier with small hitbox like the mushroom gorge turn skip where you can easely get stuck and fall with a big kart
The reason why i perefer the alternative combos (my favorite being the pipe frame) is because i get SICK of seing yoshi teddy online
You're not the only one. I'm getting sick of it too. I barely watch JPGiviner's videos, because he uses the same character and the same vehicle combo in almost every single competitive Mario Kart video.
@@WillaRDash04same, it also doesn’t help that he pushes the whole “you *have* to use this specific combo or you lose” mentality, which just makes me think that using anything else will cause you to get targeted by the rest of the room and forced to lose for not following the hivemind
@@OtisCluck That's right. Besides, I lose more with Yoshi teddybuggy/cat-cruiser than with Rosalina cat-cruiser. Now it's like JPGiviner told me a lie about the best combo. Shortcat always say that we should play with our favorite character, because they're all fine and able to win. If we lose with our favorite, it means we play badly or had bad luck in the race. Shortcat won't say that we lose by the character which we use.
I just wanna put this out there. The Cat Cruiser is the exact same thing as the Teddybuggy except it has higher invincibility. So the Cat Cruiser is actually better.
I think the meta favors smaller hit boxes
@@kaizoisevil then that should probably be mentioned in the video
Cat Cruiser is the same? Might switch to that then for when I'm maining Pauline, cause I hate the look of the Teddy bear.
That's the problem with these Meta build vehicle parts, they look unattractive, I really wished we gotten kart parts from Tour
@@dantemustdie00 Yeah, that's why i prefer Peachette, City Tripper, Rollers, Peach Parasol. It's very similar to Yoshi Teddybuggy but it looks much better.
Thanks JPG! Are you going to address the slight meta change between Cat cruiser and Teddy buggy? Cat got a slight buff to invincibility. But teddy still “feels” way better.
Teddy is better cuz of smaller hitbox and I frames are irrelevant
I loved inside drift in MKWII and they came back in this game and they are pretty good. Thanks JPG for telling us this. I can play MK8DX with inside drifting bikes and won't lost "that" many races.
inside drift does pretty well on some tracks. i remember the paris promenade wr was yoshi bike for a while
I used to use the Yoshi Bike, the Jet Bike and the Sport Bike. I never stopped using them until I realized Yoshi Teddybuggy was the best combo in the game.
Funky Kong/Jet Bike are going to have new WRs on at least a couple of tracks now.
I agree
Very good and informative video, good to know that Yoshi isn't the only viable character!
I'd argue that the Rosalina, Waluigi, Bowser, and Wario weight classes still have their advantages right now. On tracks that favour speed like Moonview or bagging like Dry Dry Desert they will pull ahead of the Medium characters. Also shoutouts to the Baby Mario class for having to highest MT stat while losing the least amount of speed for it (still 4, yeesh).
Worth noting that the speed of your mini turbo boost is dependent on both the speed stat and the mini turbo stat. So by going with Yoshi, you lose 1 mini turbo, but gain 4 speed, and thus get better mini turbo boosts.
Yeah, Morton and Funky Kong can be big world record characters on the game.
The fact that they lowkey made Peachette meta makes me so happy, its a nice dig to all those people hating on her inclusion, no wonder im seeing her online a lot lately compared to Diddy, Funky or Pauline.
same ❤ peachette is sooo cute
You are wrong, the clear best character is Funky Kong. Your style alone will carry you to victory
Funky Gang rise up!
I'm a bit disappointed that the meta hasn't changed the meta tires or glider much, so we're basically stuck with the same tires and gliders for a decade and for more, but I don't mind anymore. I'm glad that at least we got a better looking combo than waluigi wiggler.
For a person that is at 16000 VR I can say that this is reliable but I choose not to listen to it. I use funky Kong , flame rider and rollers for stats and Mario kart wii memories.
I actually still want bagging to be viable, I just want it to be much more strategic and the fact that now there is no guarentee to get a bullet or something it turns bagging into something you do only when you get commode, which is how I feel it should be
I actually really like the place the meta is in. I know this is a super casual mindset but I just like the look of Yoshi Teddybuggy so much more plus the variety in colours really makes races never feel like the same character is there. As for bagging, I'm just glad frontrunning isn't mostly an invalid way to play now. I knew bagging wouldn't be completely gone and that staying behind would still be the best strat for tracks like Cheese Land and Dry Dry Desert, there is more risk involved now which I think is a good place to have it.
Completely agree, you have 3 characters with the same stats along with 8 colors of Yoshi and 8 colors of birdo, just makes it more diverse and fun.
@@mudfishy 5*
It is cool to have all these different options to pick from thanks to Yoshi and Birdo.
An inside drift build that I’ve been seeing more and more is: Rosalina, Comet, GLA Tires, and Cloud Glider…
From what I know, this is b/c mini turbo isn’t as critical for inside drift. It’s still the most important stat, but others are still very important, so it isn’t as wise to fully min max.
Something that people might not know is that for inside drift, driving lines > mini turbos. If you give up a perfect line to get an ultra, that would be considered a mistake.
Compared to the Yoshi meta build, you loose some mini turbo and acceleration in exchange for: significantly more speed, slightly more traction, and over double the weight and invincibility.
That being said, the mini turbo stat is still very high and you will be getting ultras left and right. Same thing with acceleration, it’s still very good.
Tanooki Mario, Inkling Boy, and Villager Male are actually BETTER than Yoshi, Peach, Peachette, Daisy, and Birdo. Also, the Cat Cruiser is better than the Teddy Buggy. The thing is, traction stat is actually divided into two separate stats in the game: On-Road Traction and Off-Road Traction. Tanooki Mario, Inking Boy and Villager Male all have 7 On-Road Traction and 1 Off-Road Traction while Yoshi, Peach, Peachette, Daisy, and Birdo all have only 3 On-Road Traction and 3 Off-Road Traction. So While the Yoshi class has slightly better Off-Road Traction, the Tanooki Mario class has significantly better On-Road Traction and also has a better weight stat. As for the Cat Cruiser, it has all the same stats as the Teddy Buggy except for Invincibility Frames, which the Cat Cruiser has a stat of three vs the Teddy Buggy's 1. This means that the Cat Cruiser is objectively better. That being said, the only reason why almost everyone uses the Yoshi stat class, specifically Yoshi himself, with the Teddy Buggy is because it's what all the TH-camrs say to use.
erm actually the cat cruiser has more invincibility than teddy (teddy is still better because idk)
It’s better because smaller hitbox
Note cat cruiser does have more invincibility then teddy buggy
But Teddybuggy has smaller hitbox
Could you maybe do a video going over the most meta relevant combo for each character?
THISSSS ^
@@benjaymean58 this isn't. He made only for the medium weight class.
It’s going to be one of these combos mentioned in this video for any character anyway so I don’t see the point of a video like that
If you are playing online, PLEASE just choose a combo you think looks cool or with your favourite character instead of the meta. Unless your combo is literally the worst one (or the second worst one) you will still be able to get first fairly often, if you are skilled. And if you are lacking that skill, playing the meta won’t change that. While in competitive tournaments, the meta does matter, in your average online match, you probably won’t go up against professionals. By not playing the meta online, you can help get more variety into lobbies, making the races more fun for everyone. And even if you *must* play meta, just don’t go Yoshi + Teddy Buggy, but maybe Birdo + Cat Cruiser. Still the same stats!
Gecko still wins in competitive Mario kart tournaments with non-meta characters.
he plays mario kart but with a twist 🗿 @@WillaRDash04
The vehicles aren't the issues, the lag trailing, shells doing absolutely nothing to others, and the unpredictable item boxes are annoying. I don't know how anyone enjoys worldwide. You literally get hit by 5 items which you don't even see on your screen most of the time.
Funky Gang rise up
@@KoopaTroopaBeachFan4879 what I mentioned was not just a twist. It were some road to ruby 2 videos.
I dont know why the popular opinion is anti-bagging. I think bagging provides a well needed variety to gameplay instead of front running every race which might as well be time trials. I like the skill ceiling of maximizing every power item you do or don't get. Even in 12th place it's good fun to blast through the course at speeds otherwise not possible and I think it's a good thing to allow players the choice to play in this way if they want to.
Casuals who never touch this game in lounge or high VR are extremely misinformed on what bagging actually is yet circlejerk each other. The change doesn't really matter either way, bagging will ALWAYS be secondary/a Plan B to running. Except on a select few tracks.
I love it! My favourite character is the best! Peachette is super cute! I LOVE her! I'm so glad they added her 👸🥰
Pro Tip: If you play black yoshi you get an extra speed boost
“If you wanna win, only use this specific combo” don’t care, Funky Gang rise up
Sandbagging isn't necessarily bad, but when you have to go through the row of item boxes multiple times just to get power items and essentially stall the race, that's where I have a problem. You can sandbag, but you also have to race at the same time, and with what Nintendo has implemented in the latest patch, I think that will encourage drivers to not ultra sandbag. The only way to get rid of sandbagging is if you only make maps that are frontrunning maps, make the items less powerful, or you incentivize drivers to front run the race, like rewarding points each lap. I also think each vehicle should have its strengths and weaknesses. Have different classes of vehicles. I know they tried doing this in MKWii, but I think having something like inside drift with not a lot of straightaway speed would be a good balance. Inside drift can be viable on curvy tracks, but not on tracks with a lot of straights. A kart with its speed will have an advantage with straighter maps, but takes corners wider. That's probably how Nintendo should have handled MKWii in the first place, but I digress. Mario Kart typically sees 1, maybe 2 combos really dominate the meta, but I think it should be more than that, given how many vehicle combinations there are.
Toshiba teddy buggy is not meta, Toshiba cat cruiser is same but invis is higher
why do all players of nintendo games just only try to get the best stuff and look for the best this and that, its just all competitive competition. Its like nobody plays for fun
2:55 doesn’t Teddy buggy have a worse invincibility stat compared to cat cruiser after the patch?
“Teddy Buggy and Inkstriker have had their Invincibility statistic decreased by a value of 0.50 (2 points).”
I think due to the slight mini turbo difference of the ink-striker and teddy buggy, the ink-striker should be the better combo due to its higher speed.
It is indeed slightly better but requires more skill to master.
Although it has 0.25 more speed. It has 0.25 less mini turbo along with less acceleration
Not to forget inkstriker is an atv so it can take as clean lines as the teddybuggy can
@@Just-Yosh1 teddy buggy is also a atv
@@Just-Yosh1this is not a real thing. There’s never been any evidence to suggest atvs and Karts handle differently outside of the inconsistencies of the mushroom wheelie that atvs can have
I like what they did with bagging. I think it is a legit strategy that should stay viable and I enjoy doing it myself sometimes, however they were right to nerf it because before it felt like you could do it mindlessly. Making it harder to chain a lot of power items should make bagging a bit more skillful
I kinda hate how out of the thousands of combinations, only ONE of them is actually worth using lol. That's called horrible game balance
The meta won’t stop me from using what I like. To me being good at a game means using what you’re comfortable with to win. If you play a game but you only do what other people do because it’s most effective, then are you really playing the game?
That's right. Rosalina Teddybuggy/Cat-cruiser is comfortable for me to win/survive. Yoshi Teddybuggy/Cat-cruiser sucks and is a good option to lose for me.
the gameplay matters more than the affects of your character to most people. If you concern yourself with aesthetics and can’t adapt to how the game is at a base level then you’re not really that into the game. It’s fine to play a game for reasons other than just winning but I find a lot of people get disillusioned with a game because they aren’t honest with their intentions. If someone wants to play a game to win in a way they find fun then that’s ok but you should fully acknowledge that you aren’t playing to win.
"everyone you're playing against SUCKS"
JPGiviner really just roasted 80% of the entire online playerbase
He definitely did
In my opinion, I think that the game with bagging and front running was as fine as it was!
The change doesn't really matter either way, bagging will ALWAYS be secondary/a Plan B to running. Except on a select few tracks. Casuals who never touch this game in lounge or high VR are extremely misinformed on what bagging actually is
@@Mike-AlThe only issue I have with it is literally some tracks are win or lose based on bagging. Even without a shock on a track like Cheese-land no matter how big your lead is you still manage to fall behind. I feel like the distance based items should cap at a certain distance so people aren’t intentionally slowing down. The only issue with that is everyone is so close together than 1 blue shell can easily ruin your race. In a perfect world better driving would mean better results but currently even with the bagging nerf some tracks will never escape that.
No, play the game as an actual racing game.
@@AzureSwiper The backseat gaming is strong with this one 🥱
4:20 what
wow
I, never seen you being so agressive without being agressive 💀
Weight IS online definitly better so Villager>Yoshi also Cat cruiser got better than teddybuggy cause of extra invincibility
My combo is Kamek, Streetle, Rollers and Cloud.
I like my cute wizard. I like my beetle car. Yeah, I'm not optimal - but i look fly as hell!
It would be nice if you'll do some videos where you find the best combonation for non-meta characters
Great Video JPG! Even though the Cat Cruiser has more invincibility than the Teddy Buggy in the most recent patch, I would still agree that Yoshi on the Teddy Buggy is the way to go!
I'm a Yoshi main, purely for aesthetics. This is welcome news.
@breadandcircuses8127 CUTE
D I N O S A U R
F that I’m playing as funky Kong and you can’t stop me
doesnt the cat car have more invis than teddy so why would you play teddy
As an all time Yoshi main, I miss the all Waluigi meta I hated so much.
The cat cruiser is actually the best because it has more invincibility than teddy
Why does everyone use Yoshi teddy when there's other characters and a different cart that are identical in stats?
Hivemind, mob mentality
It's pretty good that Nintendo chose to make the Middle-Weights the best, because that means Heavys and Light Chars are more viable in comparison. Back then when the Heavys dominated Mario Kart 8, Middleweights were okay and Lightweights were trash. So it's in the middle of those 3
Can someone explain why only the two karts are recommended? I thought the Standard Kart, Cat Cruiser, Prancer, Sneeker, The Duke, and the 300 SL Roadster all had the same stats as the Teddy Buggy - so why limit us to only that and the Cat Cruiser??
they had the same stats in the original mario kart 8
@@gamecubeplayer oh thanks. Someone should really consider updating the Mario Kart wiki then as it's completely wrong, it says these stats are the same in 8 deluxe
@@datdavid the mariowiki page of mario kart 8 deluxe is already updated to wave 6
Meta is yoshi+teddy buggy
I love that my love of yoshi got me so close to the optimal load out lol
Does anyone know what weight class all of the dlc characters in dx are? I can’t find it anywhere online.
Birdo and Peachette are the same as Yoshi
Kamek is the same as Luigi
Petey is the same as Metal Mario but uses a large kart
Wiggler is the same as Waluigi but uses a medium kart
Funky is the same as Wario
Pauline is the same as Rosalina
Diddy is the same as Cat Peach
@@banditgarfw2504 THANK YOU!!
I’ve been a yoshi main since I started playing the game (about 5 years ago now, damn) and it’s really nice to see my boy finally getting some recognition
I’ll ALWAYS hold a grudge for them to not bring back Dino Dino jungle
It is my fav track of all time
they pretty much abandoned the lightweights 😢
It truly is a shame. I'll miss the baby Time Trial metas.
Yeah every DLC character has been medium or heavy
Until i die, I will only use Wiggler on the Wiggler. With also the added bonus of if their is a wiggler on the track, you instantly get a good placing.
Thx but I still wanna know if kamek, funky Kong, and diddy Kong are good.
for a brief period the best combo was mario with standard kart, gla tires and standard glider and i kinda wish it was still like that cause it was the funniest shit to beat everyone online with the most basic set. But as a Yoshi main i'm also happy that he's now meta material
That was a meme combo. It was still worse than the teddy buggy and inkstrike combos but it was at least viable.
I layed down in bed to chill for a bit. Pulled up youtube and saw this. Imediatly got out of bed to try a yoshi build out lmao. I was rockin waluigi up until now. My brother and his wife got me into this recently, so im still new to all of these BIG changes since mario kart 64 haha. Apreciate the video brother
The obvious best stat isn't actually what you think; its actually the luck stat, the hidden hidden stat
Hot take, but I actually liked the old meta better then the new one. I am the kind of person that likes a combo to look good. Not saying that Waluigi wiggler was easy to look at, but it was at least a bit funny. Waluigi being probably the most meme character on the roster and him riding around on a wiggler had some comedic value. Yoshi teddybugy just don't look that great and has nothing else going for it. I know I will have to use it eventually when I hit a high enough VR were that extra stat boost is critical, but I do wish we got something else.
What do i use with Funky Kong tho?
funky kong with mr scooty/biddy buggy has fairly similar stats to yoshi teddy buggy with the main stat differences being more speed and invincibility in exchange for worse miniturbo
I never knew that Yoshi Bike and Comet also had the same stats as Teddybuggy, so thanks for giving us inside drift mains some love.
Where are you going to see all these updated stats? I think the list I've found is outdated.
The meta is cool in all but when comes to characters I don't use Yoshi. Why? Because he's not my cup of tea and I rather go as the characters I'm comfortable with like Metal Mario. But when it comes to the karts, I stick with meta.
I think Peach and Daisy are better than Yoshi despite them having the same stats because since their heads are smaller it would be easier to see items. That's why Waluigi was better than DK or Roy.
Ok, but what about baby Daisy, biddybuggy, azure roller, paper glider? Does it still have the highest mini turbo stat in game?
Yes but the stat loss is extremely harsh on baby characters. They’re significantly slower and hardly gain any mini turbo over the yoshi class.
I would say that Tanooki Mario/Inkling Boy/Male Villager + pipe frame is the best combo. It has the same ground speed, weight, and mini-turbo as Yoshi + Teddy Buggy but is superior in terms of almost every other stat. The only stats where Yoshi + Teddy buggy exceeds it are air speed, anti-gravity speed, air handling, and traction. Air speed and air handling aren't super important since you don't do a lot of gliding on most tracks. The importance of anti-gravity speed depends very heavily on the track, but I believe the majority of tracks don't have huge amounts of anti-gravity. And traction is by far the least important stat IMO since it has literally no effect except on off-road.
I'd argue that Rosalina's weight class (Rosalina, Pauline, King Boo, Link) is better than all the midweights (including Yoshi's class) for certain maps with less tight turns and more boost panels, and it's also better for bagging.
You lose 0.5 miniturbo to get an equivalent amount of extra speed. You also lose 0.5 acceleration but it's not very important and it's kinda compensated by that +0.75 invincibility (that reduces your chance of being Mario Karted). Worse handling by 0.5, but if you're a good driver you will barely feel the difference, also you have that +0.75 weight to push your opponents and to prevent them from messing up your lines (since most players use midweights).
Overall, I think Rosalina's weight class requires more skill but it can definitely keep up with the midweights, if not even be better in the situations I previously described.
Other than that, I think your video was well done and gave a great overview.
As for bagging, I'm personally happy with the state it's in now and don't think it needs another nerf. Before the changes, bagging was already a strategy that required more skill than frontrunning (generally). Now the skill floor has been increased (and this will be felt especially at a not particularly competitive level), but it can certainly give exceptional results if you know what you are doing.
I think frontrunning and bagging are both two valid strategies... and they actually complement each other since to really get the best results you have to be able to adopt one or the other strategy depending on the map and situation you find yourself in, and quickly switch between one and the other if necessary.
So is the waluigi wigglier nerf only affected when you get the booster pack, or is it in general? I would like to know because I have Mario kart but not the dlc and it would help understand what’s good now.
all of the balance patches have been free
You forgot that the Meta in Wii U Mario Kart 8 was Morton, Blue Falcon, Cuber Slick, Gold Glider
I'm gonna get hated for what I'll say, but I preferred when the meta was Waluigi. Why? It's simple: he finally had the Justice he never got.
Okay, but what combo works with Funky Kong?
Probably mr. scooty
funky kong with mr scooty/biddy buggy has fairly similar stats to yoshi teddy buggy with the main stat differences being more speed and invincibility in exchange for worse miniturbo
uhhh so what was the alt meta with inkling sorry i really like splatoon too much so i wanna use a meta with him
I love how yoshi teddy bear is the best but there are still so many combos which are viable (I still wish Diddy Kong was added to one of the best classes like maybe he could have had Kamek stats but instead he's just Yoshi but with less speed but he's so cool so I don't care if he's not the best) my favorite vehicle is the City Tripper lol it's really cool
Giving my opinion here.
Almost any combo can be good or even great but, for me, the best combo in the moment for 150cc is no doubth Yoshi, Teddy Buggy/Cat Cruiser, Roller Tires and Cloud Glider/Paper Glider and for 200cc since you dont want Speed but rather Mini-Turbo, Acceleration and Handling, the best combo Is Dry-Bone(r), Mr. Scooty, Roller Tires and Cloud/Paper Glider. The 200cc one has almost the same Accel, Handling AND Mini-Turbo as the combos with the best respective stats whitch is INSANE cause is almost like 3 max stats that are also the exact stats you want! Plus it gets a bonus cause yk, Dry-Bone(r) supremacy
Why Isn't Mario-Luigi GLA tires the meta, if this combo have the highger stats? or Am I missing something?
Mini turbo stat is more important than any other stat in the game. Losing a single point in mini turbo would almost be worth one stat in every category.
@@blank_ivysaur Got it.
Thank you!
I was surprised that they did no nerf to roller or the teddy buggy with the final wave, i know there will always be a meta and best build but i think they could have balanced it better, maybe they were too scared to create something like the Waluigi wiggler meta again by buffing something
Teddy Buggy did get get a nerf to invincibility
@@Snsy Yes but that is a almost irrelevant stat
They can only nerf invincibility because any other stat changes like speed or mt will make some time trial wr unbeatable
is there a difference between the normal roller wheels and the azure roller wheels i was just wondering because i like things to match like using blue yoshi with teddy buggy but if it makes me slower then i wont use it
There is no difference between them, it’s just for aesthetics, so yeah match them if you want!
@@JacobPDeIiNoNi thanks!
would you say Yoshi, Inkstriker, roller is better than Yoshi, mach 8, roller?
Most of the time I also use builds I like so I also throw in pieces like the land ship, Koopa clown, city tripper, Mach 8, silver arrow, sponge tires, and leaf tires on top of all the meta build and still find success online weather that’s worldwide or sometimes even in competitive
You should do a “evolution of the Mario Kart Meta” video
Yep! I'm already getting tired of seeing Yoshi everywhere
I'm starting to miss Waluigi. Or even better, Make Funky Kong the new meta so we have Mario Kart Wii on the Switch!
It's a real shame that at the end they kept lightweight characters as mediocre. Absolutely no reason to use them. I just want to play ma' boy Toad without feeling I'm unnecessarily hindering myself :'(
Best combo for me, a Pauline fan?
Cat-cruiser/Teddybuggy, rollers/azure rollers and paper glider/cloud glider/flower/parachute.
4:26 but hats the problem I like using Isabelle, City tripper, GLA wheels and paper glider
I heard the Teddy Buggy got a invincibility nerf in Wave 6 while the Cat Cruiser didn't. Wouldn't that mean the Cat Cruiser is actually the best now?
the Teddy Buggy have a smaller hitbox than the cat cruiser
cat cruiser is 100% better
It annoys me beyond belief that there's a meta in Mario Kart, why are there so many vehicles to choose from yet we can only use 2 or 3 combos in order to perform perfectly? Seriously makes me mad
Unless you go pro, none of this matters anyway.
Very happy to see this. It's great to know the meta! Even if I won't follow it cause I don't really play online anyway.
I noticed that in the intro he used Morton on the standard bike which was considered the best before 2019 when everyone switched to waluwiggler
Is the Inkling Girl viable?
yes
I love how I used the meta before anyone else I’ve used the bearington wagon when the game came out on wii u and everyone is just now realizing how could that kart is
Dear jp could I use kamek ,city tripper , roller tires and cloud glider
I miss waluigi wiggler, speed traction,mini turbo, smaller hit box and waluigi my favorite character
My main in Mario Kart Super Circuit used to be Yoshi, how do things come around huh
Is there a graph or something thats up to date on all the characters/Karts/wheels/gliders stats? please and TY!
If you go online there's a lot more of variety and it's much more fun to watch. I think I will stick to using characters I like which are Funky Kong and miis
I need to know are you team dolphin or team cow?
@@zwillscoopchannel9689 team cow all day
@@soproprioio622 I see I’ll see you on the farm and wait on dolphin shoals. We might have to team up to take down team clown cartho
@@zwillscoopchannel9689 I'm always ready
I use Shy guy/Dry Bones (Alternating) With rollers, Cloud, and either Mr. Scooty or Biddybuggy. Pretty good speed, amazing acceleration, and amazing Mini Turbo.
I do sometimes use Yoshi Teddy though