Is FreeCAD 0.20 Still Fundamentally Broken?!
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- FreeCAD 0.19 is fundamentally broken... So is Free CAD 0.20 still broken?A A to the point video seeing if the "Topological Naming Problem" also known as TNP is still a problem in freecad 0.20 and if so what does this mean and will it ever get fixed? and wait FreeCAD 1.0 is on the way?!
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I hope FreeCAD starts really making progress. I am getting tired of running Fusion 360 in a virtual machine on Linux. It will be nice to finally be completely done with Windows.
It would be amazing if FreeCAD would at least let me use right click to rotate instead of right click being useless.
Edit: TinkerCAD Navigation was added in 0.20 release. Finally, I am so hype about this. Could not get used to "Normal" CAD navigation.
I was hoping the same thing like 10 years ago...
it'll be interesting to go through the 1.0 tutorials once the future arrives... currently I'm getting around pretty decently in the sketcher/part design/part work benches. I've been working on my own designs in freecad for several months now, and can confidently say I'm past the headache of not being able to figure out where you paint yourself into a corner with constraints, over constraining models with no hint as to why, etc. basically pretty comfortable with the basics and getting my parts set up in assemblies to continue iterating. That being said, most of what I'm doing is glorified drafting, as 99% of what I'm making is just profiles for an endmill router and I simply extrude the part to the desired material thickness. Where I'm really struggling to find a good tutorial would be on the curves work bench and more complex tasks. I know MangoJelly has a long playlist just on the curves wb alone, but honestly can't sit through 10-20 hours of youtube just to learn the one bit I need at the time of inspiration to create the thing lol .
I think joko engineering has a few solid videos on surfacing in freecad that won't take you 20 hours
It is amazing that so many people do amazing work with fundamentally broken FreeCAD.
Even advanced CAD software like NX have problems with topological naming and maintaining references.
Behind the sarcasm, people did amazing works even in windows 95.
That was not a reason to avoid saying the truth
@@tymoteuszkazubski2755 False equivalence. You won't break a model or have the program crash on you this easily in NX.
So happy 0.20 is out and 1.0 is finally on its way! I've been using 0.20 dev versions and some of the biggest changes I've seen are in the techdraw workbench. It recieved some much needed attention and is now pretty robust. As for TNP I'm pretty adapted to working around it but it will be great when it is gone!
OS software keeps getting better and better! Blender has escaped earth orbit with the r3 series, and Freecad is on the launch pad.
after Blender 2.7x I uninstalled my Fusion 360, Sketchup, FreeCAD, and OpenSCAD and never looked back again.
@@sylpisophia5612 I must of not gotten the news. Whats special about Blender 2.7x? Im a noob
Yup, FreeCAD today feels like Blender a decade ago, back when it was 2.63. It was definitely getting better, but wasn't "there" yet. And with 3.x, it seems to be rapidly approaching "there".
I'm hoping that FreeCAD can get a similar trajectory, it's a real powerhouse below it's surface issues.
LOL i was checking out freecad today and went to the website to see if a new version is out and my first reaction when i see 0.2 was to go to this channel if there a video about it and sure enough. thx for the info
Looking forward to the full tutorial on 1.0 - I come from Inventor, and really want to see whether OSS can replace it.
Man you amazing! Im gonna watch the whole tutorial, when being released
Currently updating FreeCAD to 0.2 to see if it's actually any better. I tend to spend most of my time in the PartDesign workbench and in the past it has proven to be a horrible, unreliable mess by crashing seemingly at random when wanting to do simple things like add chamfers, fillets or sketches. Restart and repeat the operation... and it works? Too many times I've lost work, very frustrating.
CAD Sketcher for Blender seems interesting, must check that out!
FreeCAD devs are quick to point out the chamfer and fillets (and thickness too) are not part of the FreeCAD code but rather the underlying OpenCASCADE 3D engine. And that the OC devs are not wanting to fix the issues unless a case can be created from the OC framework that replicates the issues from FreeCAD. But it *is* buggy and slow and annoying as heck.
When you do the FreeCAD 1.0 course, will you be adding in the OpenSCAD Workbench? Please?
I have to say that I was pretty shocked when I learned that the bug was to be still included in 0.20. On the other hand the developers have been forthcoming with the news that the "problem fix" was not part of the plan for 0.20. Thanks to Maker Tales and Real Thunder for keeping this on the radar. The attitude has really shifted from the "blame the user", "no one knows what they are doing", "its a feature not a bug" attitude to just putting this on the long term fix plan and calling it the bug it always was. I'm excited, but tentative, to see 1.0 and the real fixes. I'm even more excited to see your series on it.
Solving the TNP is not trivial and the implementation is currently being forward-ported by realthunder which is a huge amount of work because link branch and 0.20 diverged pretty heavily..
It's not a bug. It's a feature that is not implemented.
@@Pulsar2000 Complete nonsense. TNP is a bug and always has been.
@@adaycj Not true, but it would take a little longer to explain it to you. There is no real solution to the TNP, even in commercial software.
@@Pulsar2000 Face naming could at least be stable when the number of faces is not changing - that much is certainly possible, and the face naming not being stable when the number of faces is not changing is something that I consider a bug.
Version 1.0 release date is supposed to be Q1 of 2024 so we should at least expect a beta by then =)
...Looking forward to your tutorial on parametric design in FreeCAD 1.0
hi there, im tring to learn freecad your way without all the garbage in it, but i cant seem to down load the stable freecadweb stuff you want us to. of course that was a year ago that you taped that. so not sure all that even still exsists but i will learn freecad anyway and then pickup with you later. and def support you and freecad. both of you all worthy of the support. thank you for teaching. its one of the very best of trades.
Why always a clickbait title when it comes to Freecad? It's the first thing viewers read and it scares them away from the Freecad project. And opensource projects need a good community to grow. It makes me wonder if the title for a huge problem in CadSketcher will get the same sort of title and video or if it will be more nuanced.
Because FreeCAD has until now been one of the most dissapointingly broken open source projects out there. It’s current community has litterally scared people away for years. The title of the video is the correct one, it was the only question that needed to be answered.
@@v4lgrind Title could have easily been: Does Freecad 0.20 still have a TPN problem? It's the same question but without the !?! at the end. For me fundamentally broken means you can not do anything with it and the many successful projects of users show it's possible to make something incredible. It has a problem, a big one but not broken. Generalising the community is also wrong, because for every toxic comment on the forum (even from the developers), there's somebody else trying to do the opposite. My interactions with Realthunder, MangoJellySolutions and OficineRobotica where all very pleasant. And all the questions I asked where rookie questions. Everybody following freecad knows that the TPN problem results in heated debates, again and again and the title is deliberately made to trigger those users because it creates more traffic to the channel. You could easily make the same clickbait titles for other software (and I support all of them) like: 'Does blender need parametric modeling!?!' 'CadSketcer, (un)successful attempt to bringing cad to Blender!?! 'Is CadSketcher worth your time!?! It's feeding on the problems and the hate within an open source project and that's just sad and bad practice.
@@Drew_pew_pew_pew You just brought your pre-conceived notions and drama to this video's comments. There is no hate surrounding TNP, it just needs to get fixed. I for one am happy that Maker Tales and RealThunder have highlighted this issue and are illustrating a way forward. Burying and ignoring the problem while blaming users is the drama that is now over. We are all looking forward to the future, and you are complaining about an accurate video with an accurate title. FreeCAD 0.20 is still fundamentally broken, and it will be until TNP is properly fixed.
@@adaycj There's a consensus TPN is a huge problem that should be addressed (and the sooner the better), there isn't one about if this makes Freecad by definition fundamentally broken. It's Maker tales and your right to have this opinion and I can follow it to a great extend but the title leaves no room to interpret it this way. On the contrary it's phrased as a proven fact. What you call drama I call a minimum of having empathy. I fail to see how the title 'Freecad is fundamentally broken' will ever attract new users, nore do I see how this will motivate freecad developpers to put extra of their spare time and effort in the project. Both are necessary if you want freecad ever to succeed. I have no problem with the content of this video, just the title. And when you look at all the other videos talking about tpn it's the only one formulated this way. It's naïve to think content creators do not actively optimise the title to get more views.
@@Drew_pew_pew_pew Yeah, but it's better to clearly call out the problems that exist instead of telling everybody how nice FreeCAD is. For FreeCAD it's better that professional users get a clear view about the capabilities of the program instead of getting deceived into trying it, wasting their time and ending up using something different anyways. The reason Blender disrupted everything is, that it's innovative and rock solid. FreeCAD can get there too, but only by rigorously eliminating the deficits.
Can't wait, mate
Does this problem also extend to the sketches that are linked to a spread sheet?
Such a shame, but really looking forward to that 1.0 release. I do wonder why they didn't bring in the fixes from the Realthunder branch to 0.20, presumably there are some potential issues with those changes although they've worked well for my (pretty light) usage.
Ya it is a shame... But oh well... From what I was reading it seems that it was adding a little bit of development freeze to Free CAD as it was some pretty deep changes so ya... Here's hoping it comes much sooner than expected.
The realthunder algo is very far reaching and goes deep into the legacy code base. Freecad is very stable and those kinds of changes require a lot of planning and careful (ie slow) code review. It's being broken down into smaller logical chunks for quality control and careful bug testing.
Overall, I expect this process will actually strengthen the topology code quite a bit. I no longer have problems with topology, but I'm excited for the change anyway.
I also have no real problems with the Realthunder branch either. The vast majority of glitches there have been things that were inherited with the branch and not new. I'm not terribly worried about forward or backward compatibility of my work. If I was, I'd be more concerned.
MangoJelly Solutions has the beginners through very advanced tutorials already, no need to wait for 1.0.
Dear friend, I'm getting serious trouble trying to do patterns on Freecad. I've tried doing this on sketcher, but some people said me I can do it only on Part Design. Also, neither way I don't succeeded doing any. Do you have any video about it? Thank you for your attention.
When will CAD Sketcher support decimal inch units?
Entire course: Thank you! Please, please, please!
As far as all CAD programs are concerned they all have topological naming issues, it's just FreeCAD has so many more of them. I love FreeCAD and, even with all its quirks, I plan on continue using it. They will sort this naming problem out, I know it. I don't let it stop me from using the best free 3D design program out there. I know you have promoted Blender for doing 3D cad modelling - I just don't have the time to learn all the ins and outs of Blender. I wish I did - Blender is a wonderful program, but it does so many things, that just wading through all the menu choices and knowing what is important and how it all works is just too daunting for me.
An Assembly module is needed within FC - that would be a game-changer
There are three actively developed assembly add-ons available. Each has a different style it follows. You should check them out.
I find a2+ to be relatively easy to use and pretty robust.
@@joes144 That's even worse. I can't imagine F360 improving with more assy styles/approaches. I hope they get distilled to 1 WB that caters to everyone's needs when 1.0 arrives. They can keep the others around for backward compatibility until the next major update.
I get how these experiments can help figure out a definitive method though, especially on versions < 1.0
@@ronnetgrazer362 you're not necessarily wrong. But I'm not sure it'll change. There are reasons for this. Some view it as a drawback. I've slowly come to view it as a strength. But I also realize the approach isn't for everyone.
I agree with Ron - it's pretty ridiculous to have to a) download a third party utility to use a feature that's stock in every popular CAD software and b) have to sift through multiple options. That second point is one of the biggest downsides of all popular open source software that isn't controlled by a corporation keeping things in check. FreeCAD needs to solve these kinds of issues if it ever wants to succeed.
I wonder if anything else apart from TNP fix will be merged from Link Branch to master. Hopefully, Realthunder will prepare PRs for part of the other improvements he made.
The other stuff will be much easier to merge because they aren't as ridiculously massive changes as the TNP, still I doubt all of it will get merged and most likely many changes will be requested to the stuff that gets accepted.
@@adrianinsaval Sure, they won’t merge everything since that would make Link Branch unnecessary and Realthunder likely wants to keep developing it. I just hope that some of the most useful stuff (like shadows, support for multiple solids within a body and a tool to project usable geometry to sketch) will be merged in the future.
Fantastic
What do you think of version 0.22 ?
look fwd to the 1.0 update
Hoping the Freecad 1.0 still works in the Portable Apps system so I don't need to install it. Yup a problem with the work machines and permissions. ).20.x works fine as a portable app through the launcher.
Free techdraw and unfold options for sheet metal - for my drawings FCAD is the Best choice and i dont need connection to internet to using it.
FreeCad is incredible! Incredible since 2002 staying in low stage beta, lower than 0V3 and using an interface loked like MS Paint Brush. Really INCREDIBLE!!!
I gave up on freecad because of the TNP and generally just feeling clunky compared to what I was used to. Keep checking up on if it's been fixed yet, hoping it will be fixed in the future, with some other refinements too. I'd love a way to set a preferred axis of rotation like in Fusion 360, I can never get used to the way freecad and other cad software rotates, I just never get it to work and loose my place entirely.
There is a param to rotate in a more "logical" way, i can't use the standard way too, unlogical to me.
freecad needs to stop blaming the user. as soon as they realize the UI workflow is completely non intuitive and fix that, they'll gain users. until then the majority will continue to fire up the latest freecad, get quickly frustrated trying to do basic things, uninstall it, and go back to fusion 360.
@@TMS5100 the story of my life with freecad. As a good no-life man, i decided to note each annoying or stupid behaviour of this soft and its UI. It's about 3 A4 page for now.
And this project is more than 10 years old
@@philv3941 its actually 20 years old.
damn, i just downloaded freecad yesterday (because i purchased a 3d printer) and your telling me it doesnt work well ? i havent even started learning how to use it yet, should i even bother ?
@@jeremiahbullfrog9288 yeah im a noob, i have a little blender experience though so it makes it a little less intimidating. currently browsing for beginner tutes on here so if you can recommend any good ones please do ;)
it's an amazing program and works very well. it's not too hard to work around the TNP, meaning don't build your models by stacking new features higher and higher referencing edges or faces; instead use absolute positioning for your sketches/additive/subtractive features, do all chamfers and bevels last, etc
Very steep learning curve. Use the Real thunder branch version for now.
@@davidcooper3871 ? this is the first ive heard of it , whats the difference ?
You don't have to use Realthunder's fork. Freecad is quite capable if you take the time to learn good CAD design principles. The two best channels I can think of for educational content are mangojelly solutions and joko engineering.
I literally can't change the values doing chamfer or fillet and padding dont know if the problem extends to changing any value every time I change the value it goes back to zero and tells me "Size must be greater than zero" Such a shame I reinstalled it hit my head on a wall still can't fix it if anyone has a fix can you tell me?
I solved it by going into control panel > clock and region > change date, time or number formats > formats > Englishj (United states)
0.2 is buggy. Many people (see freecad forum and youtube videos explaining it out there) get "recompute failed" and "wire not closed" errors when using version 0.2 when the sketch are totally fine and working prefectly fine in version 0.19 or earlier. So I stick with version 0.19 until 0.2 is fixed.
I Can’t Export STL To Step
123d design ftw!
Hey guys. this video was 9month ago, how is it now? is it still broken? i am waiting...
Still horrifically broken... in v0.21.1... in December 2023.
not sure why but make CAD in Blender is too heavy (in resources) like Revit.
So is FreeCAD 1.0 going to merge in RealThunder's work?
Lol what RT does is insane
I read up on the threads, and yes, that seems to be what is happening.
@@v4lgrind it really does
His work made FC a lot more functional and attractive to work with
Have you given solvespace a try?
I don't know if it's broken or not, but I do not like it one bit. I spent about an hour with freecad 0.2 and spent more time reading errors in the report pane than anything else. I was thinking it might be easier than Blender for parts design for 3d printing. everything was green (properly constrained) which meant I can't move anything and that's about the point I gave up. If freecad in any way represents CAD programs in general, no thanks.
it doesn't. most people use fusion 360 because freecad's ui is horrid.
@@TMS5100 Fusion 360 ? Forced saving projects in the Cloud? Nope.
The documentation of freecad is horrible, the program may be well done, but finding information is hit and miss at best.
FreeCAD needs a whole UI and workflow overhaul before it's useful for anything. I keep coming back to it over the years, and it's still garbage for anything real. CAD Sketcher is brand spanking new, and has a better flow than FreeCAD has ever had.
FreeCAD is plenty useful mate no need to exaggerate.
@@edstar83 eveyrone uses fusion 360 instead. ever asked why? it isn't price.
Sucks that this is the only option for Linux. I'm fine with it for being free, but it's just massively lacking.
Can't wait for your 1.0 tutorials!
Besides the topology prolblem the Gmesh is broken in fem
LOL, and here we are 1 year later with version .21 out, no 1.0 to be found and the TNP still exists hahahahaha
Version 0.22 beta was/is out. Quite different apparently.
@@meisievannancy have you tried ondsel engineering suite built completely around freecad?
@@LT72884 No I haven't. Thanks for the advice. I will look it up and try it.
@@LT72884 No, not yet but I will give it a shot.
if you know freecad well it's not a problem
That's always the case. But when I hit this and was shouted down with "you are doing it wrong!" I knew FreeCAD should be avoided for now.
@@v4lgrind just take the realthunder version
Or the toponaming branch now that it exists. But before this statement of intention it wasn't worth the switch cost.
@@v4lgrind I am totally enthusiastic about freecad
Perhaps the message was blunt, but if you're running into TNP. It's highly likely that you weren't following good CAD design practices. Some other software allows you to model 'quick and dirty' but eventually will break. Good design practices don't really make modeling more time consuming either (seriously). I spend way more time thinking about my designs as I like to "design as I go".
TNP is not that big of a deal, honestly. But It's a bit hard at the start. I use a lot of absolute position workplanes, and they end up making the model very stable. But sometimes you have to do a few extra steps.
But hey, it's free. The goal is not to beat F360, it's to have a software that is usable by anyone that wants to do CAD without making users pirate software or be restricted by free licenses. I know you want to do the free course when version 1.0 is out, but I think you can also teach people to avoid TNP :)
Learning to avoid TNP definitely results in better models. I couldn't agree more.
@@joes144 Exactly. If someone leaves FreeCad because of TNP, he is very likely a CAD noob and doesn't know what stable modelling is.
@@Pulsar2000 And that's exactly the problem. FreeCAD is never going to get off the ground, unless it gains widespread popularity among hobbyists. Most of which aren't professionals, in fact most are at the beginner-level or just above that. You can make the case, that in order to use FreeCAD properly you have to learn proper CAD-modelling. But then FreeCAD better have good documentation or better yet plenty of high quality tutorials on youtube...and it doesn't.
The number of good tutorials has definitely increased these last few years but FreeCAD has been in the making for over 20 years now...
It's 2024 and FreeCAD is still almost exclusively used by people who feel strongly about using open source software. No one uses FreeCAD because it's doing things better than popular CAD-programs like SolidWorks, Fusion360 or Onshape. People now even go out of their way now to make Blender, a 3D-modelling program meant for 3D-artists, into a CAD-alternative. That tells you a lot about the disastrous state FreeCAD is in.
Was it ever broken ? Freecad is a collection of tools.
By nature this makes unifying the experience and workflow nearly impossible as a FOSS project
I tested it over month doe architecture interior and furniture / product design
If what you want to build freecad can so then it is a pretty good platform but most times it missed crucial features and is just too much of a mixed back
Dont misunderstand me developing cad is time consuming and freecad is amazing for what they achieved !!!
@@ericlotze7724 ah I will do
There is no cad system that "solved" the topological naming problem. The so-called "solution" literally requires human mind reading. The software has to figure out the user's intent from the actual changes. Is it possible? In general no. CAD softwares are trying hard but sometimes the most advanced software wreck your model when you make changes in the model tree. Pro users use pro software without relying on topological naming, in freecad it is a must. Does this make it fundamentally broken? I don't think so. Would it be more user-friendly with it? It is still not a resounding yes. Why? When the model crash because you blindly relied on the software and you are a beginner you are helplessly lost and that is worse than a steeper learning curve at least this is my opinion.
You may or may not have seen my other comments. I have just given up on FreeCAD. I'm done with it, I can't bear it anymore.
Crashes, inconsistency and general the shit-ness of it don't seem to reduce at all.
I would like to see 3d printer people engage more with less known but quite amazing 3d software'. Selfcad, Designspark Mechanical, and Moi-3d. They are all quite amazing softwares that people should be educated about.
all of those are closed source/proprietary. personally I'm not touching closed software it's not worth the hassle.
@@nineh9739 The Hassle? They are superior softwares. You are missing out.
@@ynnebbenny I think I can live with missing out on license changes, limited os support, investing time into learning software that can become abandonware or unmaintained, and juggling VMs and dual booting to keep a piece of software I paid for.
@@nineh9739 You manufactured a whole lot of imaginary scenarios, none of what are existent. Anyhow stick to FreeCad and its unusual bugs and workflow. I'm just trying to let people know of a good thing. Horse / water !!
@@ynnebbenny I would rather use Fusion 360 if I were to ever use proprietary software.
Always has been
Let's be honest, FreeCAD sucks. It's hard to learn (Fusion is just as powerful but so easy and intuitive that a kid can use it) and full of bugs.
It is free software if you do not like it ask for a refund
His refund is in the mail.
we will continue to use fusion360 instead
@@TMS5100 Fusion will Kill you slowly each year removing more until it is Vaporware. You cannot even export a DXF.
So yes, it's still broken. Drop it, move along, fuck "waiting". Life waits for nobody. If and when they fix, I may or may not still care.
Freecad sucks so bad.
It's decent for being free.
@@SkidooMXZTNT Disagree. It is a lot of good work that has gone into it, but it's still bad. Blender is good for being free. Gimp is good for being free. KiCAD is good for being free. Krita is good for being free. FreeCAD and OpenSCAD is in the handful of open source application that should probably be avoided for now unless you plan to actively make them better yourself.
It looks like FreeCAD i looking to join the large crowd of OSS than can said to be good now, so time to have a second look at it and see where we can help with the code. OpenSCAD is sadly lost forever due to design decisions.
@@SkidooMXZTNT Not really if it don't work. I tried putting a threaded hole in a part, and it was not possible. Thereby it is useless. I spent $595 on fusion 360 and got the job done with ease.
@@onjofilms Don't mistake not knowing how to do something with the program being bad. There's a hole tool in part design that makes threaded holes easily.
@@haysoos123 Maybe it's fixed now. You keep wrestling with it. It's not prime time.
this clout chasing tone is really toxic and pointless