Career Electrical Engineer here. Everything in this video is 100% on point: the calculations, considerations, inverter interference, inverter losses, battery designs, television loads, and alternatives to using a car battery. The delivery in this video is impeccable. The poster is obviously very knowledgeable on theoretic and real-world conditions. Hats off to you, and thank you for posting 👍🏻
This guy just gave everybody a math lesson we didn’t come here to get just plug the fucking thing up and let it run until the battery dies and there’s your fucking answer folks
LOVE THE MATH. So simple and so clear. YES, in my case, running my TV off battery is far more efficient than electric. I live on a remote island in southeast Asia and the grid goes down OFTEN. Solar backed with grid makes a super simple but stable system. Thank you
Watching this after hurricane ian knocked out power at my house a few days ago.. hearing the loud annoying generators for 20 hours was enough for me to look at alternatives. This would easy power s few fans and charge some phones during a power outage
Cool video. I just bought a couple 12v LiFePo4 batteries, gunna have two more coming soon. Was thinking of putting them in my old cars outside somehow, to charge them in an end of days situation. Fun times!
They are now selling Lipo4 car batteries, they have a BMS in them to handle charge discharging. I hate rather than pack lots of amps, they are making them small, and you use the packing material to fill the gap if needed. Was looking at one for my motorcycle. But lack of CCA, and no kick starter changed my mind. If I get my yamaha on the road again, i'll get one since I can always kick start it.
Yay! Thank you for making this video! I love the detailed breakdown and explanation! Much appreciated! I just found your channel so you may have videos that show running an instant, airfryer, toaster oven etc. Anywho.. that would be super interesting
Thanks for the informative vid. I just purchased a 1.5KW generator with 1200 W peak and 800 long-run. I will use it from my garden in case of a blackout - its too loud to use in my apartment so i was thinking of getting some deep cycle batteries which I would load during the day and after 9PM would sitch to the batteries to power the fridge/ tv/lights and charge phones and Bluetooth speakers. Agreed on the inverter choice = don't go cheap.
Yeah so deep cycle batteries are what RV's use for their off shore power. They can be used for starting just fine and are usually hooked up in a way that if something does happen you can start and run the RV off the reserve battery or batteries since RVs will often have 3 batteries total on top of an inverter (I think it's an inverter and not a converter) So that's normally 1 starting battery hooked up in the engine bay, and 2 deep cycle batteries for offshore and back up power. Offshore means you aren't hooked into a grid, if a ship is off shore it's not anchored to a dock. This is very useful because you will literally kill your starter battery rather quickly if it's being used as the source of you using things like a microwave etc even while driving. RV electricity is done a bit different. I could make an entire essay on how things work for things designed as offshore usage vehicles devices etc. Car batteries are DC, the electric grid is DC. The transformers and other things hooked to the poles and lines change it to AC which is what most houses in America have running through everything. So RVs have to have that inverter to knock the power down and change it from DC to AC for things like microwaves, phones etc. If you go to other countries you need power adapters to change the power type or you will fry your electronics over whatever time period on top of the fact that they have higher power usages. Their normal power outlets are not 110 or 120 watt power outlets, they are like 220 if I remember correctly and their appliance plugs are also much higher.
Not all apartments have accessible balconies to run a gas powered Inverter generator...some people may take ur advise as to use the Gen inside apt; thus possibly poisoning themselves with Carbon Monoxide...
I'm going full solar ( i'm tired of spending money on electricity ) and i was wondering if this were the bateries that i needed to use on the sistem to use on night time, i guess they aren't, thanks very informative video
years ago i tried this experiment but with a 13 in color crt tv it was an 80 watt television i got about 30 minutes before the tv shut down the thing is invertors shut down when the batterys supplying it reach 10 volts but gives an audible alarm at around 10.50 volts im sure these modern tvs will go for longer amounts of time just not sure how long
I recommend the very basics. Understanding what amps are related to watts, ohms etc is very important. Next I would go with conductors, super conductors and current. You might remember from school the difference between AC (Alternating current) and DC(Direct current). Anything that produces electricity without a transformer, power inverter etc will be DC. Your house if you live in America has AC running through the wires. The power from the power lines is DC though. It's changed before the house is able to draw it from the line hooked up to your house. In Europe unless they changed it (doubt it) almost everything is DC. I forget why but I'm fairly certain it's a VERY bad idea to try to run your phone, a TV etc off of DC unless it's designed to handle DC which most American electronics are not. If you travel outside of the U.S you will likely need a special kind of adaptor, or power inverter to not fry your devices, start a fire etc. Especially in Europe the power is higher too. Instead of their normal plugs being 110 or 120 watts they are I think 220 for their normal plugs and I forget what their appliances like washers and dryers run off of but it's more than our 240-260 watt plugs.
Thanks for the video demo but if I have let's say a deep cycle gel battery is it also ok to use it on small appliances like a tv rated at 35w or a fan rated at 18w , can I also make the battery as a powerbank and does it have the same storage life as car batteries? Is it ok to just leave it unused for a month and just use it when the power is out? Thanks
Awesome video. I would only use this for my cable modem. And only when the power goes out and use it occasionally to check the weather. And deep cycle is probably the way to go.
How about if you plugin a mains car battery charger to a generator, then connect the charger to the battery while the invertor is running off the battery, so you are converting a non invertor generator into an invertor generator so you can safely run electronics like computers in a blackout. Would the battery charger keep the battery topped up like running a car engine with the invertor connected?
If the battery charger outputs more power than you are using then yes this could work. But when you start drawing more power from the battery than the charger can put into it, it won't be able to keep the battery topped up. Think of it like a sink filled with water. Turn the water on, the sink fills up. Unplug the drain just enough so that the amount of water draining out and the amount of water coming in from the faucet are the same. The sink level won't drop. Unplug the drain all the way and the sink will empty faster than the faucet can fill it. If anything, this will give you slightly more runtime before your battery is empty.
SIR I LIVE IN THE BACK OF A BOX TRUCK, I GOT TIRED OF PAYING RENT, NOW I PAY NO RENT NOWHERE, AND IVE GOT 12 CAR BATTERIES I BOUGHT FOR $15.00 A PIECE IM JUST GOING TO DAISY CHAIN ALL 12 BATTERIES PLUS TO PLUS AND NEGATIVE TO NEGATIVE, AND WHEN THEY STOP WORKING ILL JUST THROW THEM OUT THE BACK OF MY BOX TRUCK TOWARD THE CURB, ? HOW LONG WILL ALL 12 BATTERIES LAST ? P.S. IF YOU SEE A CAR BATTERY ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD IT WAS MINE OK THANKYOU! OWENS.
Respect Soldier, you're brave and strong. You will survive, till the world ends... I hope the god listens to you. God bless, owen... Till the succeed of owen, we'll be rockin for you
I understood the math till 0.476. But didnt understand why we had to multiply with 0.55 gallons which is the fuel capacity of inverter. Could someone please explain
Thank you! I didnt know the difference between a car battery vs deep cycle. I am looking for a set up to power a fridge in the event of a power outage. Can you "charge" a battery, deep cycle or car battery with a jump starter? I have a dp power jump starter. If the battery dies, there is no power, how do you charge it?
Love your video! I've got son & daughter's old car batteries I've swapped out for them lying around charging up. Both are around 43ah 50ah. I'm going to be using them for LED lights around the tents when camping this summer and also charge our phones up. I'll be connecing a USB adapter for that which are 12v input and whatever (5v) USB. Everyone is excited......we have even got a small 5w solar panel. Have you got any advice on safety like fuses? I will watch and nurse the system and disconnect everything before we go to bed but should I use a fuse box and would a 10amp fuse do the job?
if you are just using a cigarette lighter socket style connection with the terminal clamps, you can get a 12 socket adapter with a built in 10 amp fuse, they use little capsule fuses in the adapter tip 👍5w panel on a 50ah battery is skirting the line on needing a charge controller though, unless it already has one built in
Great job explaining the math. I would have divided the inverter watts by 0.85 and use that as the input to the inverter because that's what's really going on. But the math would turn out the same. I've been doing this technique for several years because when we have a power outage at our house it's usually only 2 or 3 hours. keep in mind that besides the TV you typically would want to fire up your Wi-Fi and Internet modem which are both low power devices also. I also rearranged the breakers in my panel Box so that those 3 loads were on the same leg and I use a male to male plug into an outlet also on that leg to my life easy with no extension cords.
Hey thanks for your comment, would you happen to know how much power I'd need to run a 12v TV but with an xbox or PS4 gaming console in an RV? I am dumb with math lol.
@@kittywampusdrums you need to know how many amps your devices draw by measuring with a DC ammeter. Then, most car batteries have the capability to provide 50 to 100 amp-hours. That means 100 amps for 1 hour or 1 amp for 100 hours etc. However, car batteries are not meant to be draw down below 50%. A deep-cell RV battery works better for that.
So I have a group 34 Optima Red AGM battery which means I should be fine with using my back up battery then? I mean from my rudimentary understanding of how various batteries work an AGM is a deep cycle battery but not a marine battery due to not technically being rated for possibly being submerged or getting splashed? I mean it is a no spill battery so I'm guessing it's waterproof to like maybe a meter.
I am looking at walking the neighborhood a few hours / day with a vendor cart and I need mobile AC power where setting up a generator is just not feasible while walking and pushing a cart. I know the power requirements of my equipment (about 50 watts total, continuous). This video was very helpful knowing I can do it -- apparently better with a marine battery. If this doesn't sound correct, please advise.
You lost me at the math my friend. I understand why you did the problem. So, at the end are you getting more with the generator or battery per CCAs? So should I buy the battery and sine inverter or the gas generator? Still not sure.
Hi How to set up a mobile tire change van with 1500w inverter powering 1500 w air compressor + 1050w tire changing machine ? 24 gallons air compressor gets full in aroud 4 minutes which is enough to fill 1-2 tires , meaning air compressor will have to be filled 2 -4 times per car . Tire changing machine will probably work for 8 minutes per car. 120 ah battery should fill air compressor and still have about 75 ah left after it. Once 1 car is done this way then van will idle for 10 minute while packing tools and then travel to next car for about 20 minutes + can idle for another 10 minute while getting tools out for the next car. Wonder how fast can van's alternatot recharge battery while idling and driving for this kind of time intervals. Ford transit 2004 , 2.0 tdci, fifa, 92 kw i think it has 105 a alternator . Where to look for larger alternator if it can be installed ? Thicker cables as well ? Thanks !
Hello I have question, is it good for power station AGM battery? We have here available in UAE Toby's battery, is it same performance like other portable power station? Please help thank you stay safe all.
I connect 12v/100ah 820A battery to a charger and inverter but when i turn on the tvI’m hearing a high noise from the tv any idea. And is it safe and normal ?
Than k you for all your info. about this subject very usefull when you play with 12v devices hope in the future you share your knowlege. I did suscribe to your chanel
I'm thinking about splitting my home installation into two backup systems; one using conventional car batteries (two at the moment) for lights and very low power draw appliances connected to low power cells. While I use lessons learned to build a more powerful second system perhaps at 48V that hooks up to an inverter. In this way, any catastrophic failure at either end still allows for backup, and more importantly, if fuel will be come scarce, I always have a car battery ready to go no matter what. My plan is to adapt my trucks to use lp gas so I can later fall back into home made natural gas. But then, I'd use them very rarely if it gets to that, so having an infrastructure that allow for this is critical. Additionally, I'm trying to get equivalent appliances that are 12V and getting a USB charging laptop is a key part of this. Having a gaming laptop is fun, but will certainly be unusable for the most part if I'm cornered into my backup backup lighting system. I also expect car batteries to be more common than specialized Off-grid batteries as time goes by. Still, going solar (not electric, but solar) is useful. Wood, gas, and other sources that can be harvested locally ... so many skills to develop while simultaniously, learn about the changing web and its traps as they begin to lockdown our system. My guess is that they wish to destroy the foundation of the web as we understand it(anonymity, interoperability, free exchange of information across the globe) ... all those privacy regulations will most likely be weaponized as they roll off those digital currencies and start with those advertised false flag blackouts (hopefully they won't but didn't those WEF crooks say something about digital COVID and blackouts?) Anyway... food for thought
I'm curious, some tv's come with power adapters that take the voltage down to 12v ?a. How long would the car battery last if the inverter was eliminated.
Cool thing that goes towards the battery side, is with solar you can recharge a battery without having to go to a gas station and get gas. With battery and solar charger setup its quieter and has less moving parts and replacement batteries after they go bad are a lot less to replace then a moving parts probably going to break something over time generator that probably wasn't designed to run 24/7 365 if someone was to setup a DIY RV or tiny home, cabin etc. Also with new Lithium based solar batteries the actual amount of power you can drain is a lot better than lead acid or AGM based deep cycle batteries. So I guess it all comes down to use scenario, long term the generator isn't a good idea, but having a generator combined with solar for cloudy day charging then you can power that TV as long as you want off the battery.
So, help a brother out… 1. Great job 👏🏼 with the vid and math conversion. 2. I like to camp. ⛺️ we have an extra car battery and I want to use it for laptop and some charging power in remote locations. Should I use this inverter method? Or get a Golf ⛳️ cart battery and use that with an inverter? Certainly Don’t want to fry me or my devices. And that is what the inverter prevents correct?
10:00 wait a minute when the TV don't have anything playing on it all the LEDs are black none of them are lit up which is why it's only pulling 30 watts right? If there was something playing on the screen it would probably pull 125 or 150 at least I think because the screen would be lit up instead of black. Maybe I'm wrong but if the screen is black even though it's on none of those LEDs in the TV are lit up. When the power's out for short periods I use an inverter to run my TV and satellite but I leave my pickup truck running if it's really only pulling that many Watts I could leave my truck shut off for hours at a time......
This is all very confusing. I am considering living in a bus and want to be able to run a high performance computer for gaming and VR. I would need at least 750 watts (closer to 1000). Want to run it off a battery or generator seperate from the solar system power. How can i do that?
Using the same for electrically independent garden lighting, using a 300w inverter... Standard 70ah 663cca battery. Better than solar power lighting, as solar gets dimmer over time.
Hi! FYI, I didn't watch the whole video... 2 much math lol... My question is simple. Approximately do you think a healthy new or used car battery would power my Optiplex 9020 PC tower and my 38" Alienware curved monitor for more than 2 hours?
3:00 the purpose of leaded car batteries is different , thyr meant to turn an engine . you can still get low amp and voltage applications for them :) here is an interesting fact :
OK. Would possible to power a pressure washer (greenworks 1700psi/1.1gpm) off a deep cycle "D4" car battery for moderate amounts of time?. What kinda setup would you recommend as I'm a mobile detailer.
super quiet generator indeed :))) it sounds like someone is driving a motorbike inside your apt. :) but great video thank you for mentioning when playing tv while the car is running that's what I wanted to know, I also wanted to know how many or the max devices that you can run/power on a car battery while the car is running, I didn't find any answer for that question until now. i looked everywhere no luck.
I want to get on a stationary bike, or treadmill, and power my TV while I watch a 1 hour episode of Star Trek. Can somebody please give me a list of what to do to get this accomplished?? All I have seen so far points to a generator and a 12v battery...but I dunno how to put any of it together.
It's called Square-wave vs Sine-wave or modified. Inverters don't do too well with LED lighting either, because of the wave form issue. An inverter powered 10 watt rated 120 Vac bulb will have about a 30 cycle flutter rate which is quite annoying. Also, most 12v LED lights usually need a minimum of 11.5 volts to operate; they just cut off all together, as opposed to an incandescent bulb which will just get dimmer as the battery power fades. This also affects an inverter regardless of the type wave form it produces. If your battery falls below 11 volts, the inverter usually cuts off. You have 11 good volts in there which is unusable.
This is why we have 200ah LiFePo4 batteries, with inverter, charged via 200w solar (soon to be 400w) for electric supply to our tankless gas water heater, two LED can lights, fan, and wifi connection. THEN, we also have a generator (soon to be a honda) for refrigerator etc. Utilize multiple sources of power to diversify in our levels of emergency planning. Also looking to add a propane option for the generator as well
Probably simpler to measure the amps direct from the battery itself. No need to account for invertor efficiencies, AC power factor etc. Just amps from battery to invertor to get the expected duration,
Hey, I came here from the solar panel videos :) So my obvious question would be, Could it be efficient to use solar panel to charge the battery and then use it to run the TV (or any device at home)? Would the battery run out faster then it charges ?
@Peter Hicks I have a 100w solar panel and a 1200w inverter, no battery yet, to experiment a bit. Haven't set it up yet. So could I just plug in a washing machine (on cold wash program) to a 100AH battery via an inverter and it would just work normally? Maybe even do that on a sunny day so the battery gets extra help from the panel?
Well this can't be answered since you would need more information on the size battery, solar panel, time of year, and location. Those other factors depend on direct sunlight. As for the battery a general deep cycle battery with say 100-200 wh panels. Even in half a day sunlight it would not charge the battery enough to let it run day after day even then your not supposed to drain a deep cycle battery past half. It will shorten the life. Long story short if you want to invest in alot of batteries and solar panels to run a TV. Yes it will work or most small drain appliances. But just one battery and a panel no.
Yeah I was living for $400 a month in a four-bedroom house and they pay the utilities and tell somebody about since 2013 now somebody finally bought the place but they're going to take it all the way to the look around the house
Hello, I would like to know that: if I connect a "lifepo4 smart charger to the wall 110V socket" to a "30Ah lifepo4 battery" and then to an inverter, I come up with some kind of an automatically switched and operationally save UPS. Thank you for your response.
Miguel J. Rondon Anton Number one why would you be hooking it up to wall socket then Inverter then to the battery you’re defeating the fucking purpose of having the inverter hooked to the battery there should be no 110 wall socket involved or are you talking about the socket on the inverter itself you need to make that clear in your comment
@@an_what The battery must be in between the wall socket and the inverter and the idea is to maintain it to maximum charge when an eventual electric outage comes up, and then, start recharging automatically when the electric service is restored. I assume that is the way an UPS works
That's not distortion it's the capacitors burning out from the modified sine wave..... lots of TVs don't like them...... This will not happen if you use a pure sine wave inverter.
Future TV's should be manufactured with rechargeable battery plug in features. We live in a world where we have battery operated lawn mowers which work fantastic, I have a Ryobi lawn mower, works great and goes plenty long enough on 40 volt battery. Same application which is used for power tools should be considered for Televisions and every house hold electronics. Well, space heaters, would take alot of genius thinking, to battery power them. Let's start with our big screen "smart" TVs.
Career Electrical Engineer here. Everything in this video is 100% on point: the calculations, considerations, inverter interference, inverter losses, battery designs, television loads, and alternatives to using a car battery. The delivery in this video is impeccable. The poster is obviously very knowledgeable on theoretic and real-world conditions. Hats off to you, and thank you for posting 👍🏻
Everythings correct but presented pretty terribly for the layman
Exactly right @@PP-py4tn
This guy just gave everybody a math lesson we didn’t come here to get just plug the fucking thing up and let it run until the battery dies and there’s your fucking answer folks
I had to switch off as i also thought he was going run the tv until the battery ran out.
Well.. it’s good to have this man as a dad. Doing all the homework.
600WH / 35W = ~17hrs. You're welcome.
Are you sure what about power loss from the inverter?
Saved me 20 mins
In a perfect world but 15 hrs good estimate
Lol thank you.
Ty 🙏👍❣️
Thank you. You are the first person to use a walmart battery. I use walmart batteries and they work ok. And you explained cca. Good video
LOVE THE MATH. So simple and so clear. YES, in my case, running my TV off battery is far more efficient than electric. I live on a remote island in southeast Asia and the grid goes down OFTEN. Solar backed with grid makes a super simple but stable system. Thank you
Watching this after hurricane ian knocked out power at my house a few days ago.. hearing the loud annoying generators for 20 hours was enough for me to look at alternatives. This would easy power s few fans and charge some phones during a power outage
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Great vid, but good sir that generator is NOT quiet lol 😂 it was so loud my kid was like "What was that??" 😅
Cool video. I just bought a couple 12v LiFePo4 batteries, gunna have two more coming soon. Was thinking of putting them in my old cars outside somehow, to charge them in an end of days situation. Fun times!
They are now selling Lipo4 car batteries, they have a BMS in them to handle charge discharging.
I hate rather than pack lots of amps, they are making them small, and you use the packing material to fill the gap if needed. Was looking at one for my motorcycle. But lack of CCA, and no kick starter changed my mind.
If I get my yamaha on the road again, i'll get one since I can always kick start it.
Yay! Thank you for making this video! I love the detailed breakdown and explanation!
Much appreciated!
I just found your channel so you may have videos that show running an instant, airfryer, toaster oven etc. Anywho.. that would be super interesting
Oh or a furnace or water heater etc.. standing freezer. Ha so many things lol
What if i hook a battery mantainer to the battery and the power inverter at the same time ?
Thanks for the informative vid. I just purchased a 1.5KW generator with 1200 W peak and 800 long-run. I will use it from my garden in case of a blackout - its too loud to use in my apartment so i was thinking of getting some deep cycle batteries which I would load during the day and after 9PM would sitch to the batteries to power the fridge/ tv/lights and charge phones and Bluetooth speakers. Agreed on the inverter choice = don't go cheap.
Please never run a combustion engine inside your apartment.
Your better off placing ice in your fridge then running it off a generator/battery
I really appreciate you sharing your deep cycle knowledge.
Yeah so deep cycle batteries are what RV's use for their off shore power. They can be used for starting just fine and are usually hooked up in a way that if something does happen you can start and run the RV off the reserve battery or batteries since RVs will often have 3 batteries total on top of an inverter (I think it's an inverter and not a converter) So that's normally 1 starting battery hooked up in the engine bay, and 2 deep cycle batteries for offshore and back up power. Offshore means you aren't hooked into a grid, if a ship is off shore it's not anchored to a dock. This is very useful because you will literally kill your starter battery rather quickly if it's being used as the source of you using things like a microwave etc even while driving. RV electricity is done a bit different. I could make an entire essay on how things work for things designed as offshore usage vehicles devices etc.
Car batteries are DC, the electric grid is DC. The transformers and other things hooked to the poles and lines change it to AC which is what most houses in America have running through everything. So RVs have to have that inverter to knock the power down and change it from DC to AC for things like microwaves, phones etc.
If you go to other countries you need power adapters to change the power type or you will fry your electronics over whatever time period on top of the fact that they have higher power usages. Their normal power outlets are not 110 or 120 watt power outlets, they are like 220 if I remember correctly and their appliance plugs are also much higher.
Not all apartments have accessible balconies to run a gas powered Inverter generator...some people may take ur advise as to use the Gen inside apt; thus possibly poisoning themselves with Carbon Monoxide...
I'm going full solar ( i'm tired of spending money on electricity ) and i was wondering if this were the bateries that i needed to use on the sistem to use on night time, i guess they aren't, thanks very informative video
Buy the Tesla Home batteries so you can store your excess power.
Gonna check it out, thanks
Fork lift batteries give you the most bang for your buck. You can get 30kW for ~3K.
years ago i tried this experiment but with a 13 in color crt tv it was an 80 watt television i got about 30 minutes before the tv shut down the thing is invertors shut down when the batterys supplying it reach 10 volts but gives an audible alarm at around 10.50 volts im sure these modern tvs will go for longer amounts of time just not sure how long
Great video. Pure sin wave inverters are the way to go, esp, to backup a pellet stove or furnace.
bro this video is what i get for skipping school today i came to watch something kinda cool and all i was told was math the entire video
You inspire me to learn how electric systems work you are absolutely awesome. You know a lot ! Thank you for all you do and share 🙏🏻
I recommend the very basics. Understanding what amps are related to watts, ohms etc is very important. Next I would go with conductors, super conductors and current. You might remember from school the difference between AC (Alternating current) and DC(Direct current). Anything that produces electricity without a transformer, power inverter etc will be DC. Your house if you live in America has AC running through the wires. The power from the power lines is DC though. It's changed before the house is able to draw it from the line hooked up to your house. In Europe unless they changed it (doubt it) almost everything is DC. I forget why but I'm fairly certain it's a VERY bad idea to try to run your phone, a TV etc off of DC unless it's designed to handle DC which most American electronics are not. If you travel outside of the U.S you will likely need a special kind of adaptor, or power inverter to not fry your devices, start a fire etc. Especially in Europe the power is higher too. Instead of their normal plugs being 110 or 120 watts they are I think 220 for their normal plugs and I forget what their appliances like washers and dryers run off of but it's more than our 240-260 watt plugs.
I need to run a 1800 w hotplate....what will it take? Two batteries?
so will a UPS/Surge protector protect your sensitive electronics? from the uneven voltages if you have to run an old fashioned NON inverter generator?
Great dad lesson 👏🏾👏🏾 thanks sir
Thanks for outlining the math on this.
Looks like the solar inverter is pretty equivalent cost-wise
Brilliant video mate..Thanks heaps!
Best regards from Western Australia.
For a cold crank to last as long as Deep cycle it's said add a capacitor between the battery and inverter?
Can i use the bolero pickup battery for tv power bank??,and what is the inverter watts can be used for tv???
Thanks for the video demo but if I have let's say a deep cycle gel battery is it also ok to use it on small appliances like a tv rated at 35w or a fan rated at 18w , can I also make the battery as a powerbank and does it have the same storage life as car batteries? Is it ok to just leave it unused for a month and just use it when the power is out? Thanks
Awesome video. I would only use this for my cable modem. And only when the power goes out and use it occasionally to check the weather. And deep cycle is probably the way to go.
What about a larger battery like for a fork lift?
How about if you plugin a mains car battery charger to a generator, then connect the charger to the battery while the invertor is running off the battery, so you are converting a non invertor generator into an invertor generator so you can safely run electronics like computers in a blackout. Would the battery charger keep the battery topped up like running a car engine with the invertor connected?
If the battery charger outputs more power than you are using then yes this could work. But when you start drawing more power from the battery than the charger can put into it, it won't be able to keep the battery topped up. Think of it like a sink filled with water. Turn the water on, the sink fills up. Unplug the drain just enough so that the amount of water draining out and the amount of water coming in from the faucet are the same. The sink level won't drop. Unplug the drain all the way and the sink will empty faster than the faucet can fill it. If anything, this will give you slightly more runtime before your battery is empty.
You .mentioned car baTteries are these deep cycle like RV or starting battery
SIR I LIVE IN THE BACK OF A BOX TRUCK, I GOT TIRED OF PAYING RENT, NOW I PAY NO RENT NOWHERE, AND IVE GOT 12 CAR BATTERIES I BOUGHT FOR $15.00 A PIECE IM JUST GOING TO DAISY CHAIN ALL 12 BATTERIES PLUS TO PLUS AND NEGATIVE TO NEGATIVE, AND WHEN THEY STOP WORKING ILL JUST THROW THEM OUT THE BACK OF MY BOX TRUCK TOWARD THE CURB, ? HOW LONG WILL ALL 12 BATTERIES LAST ? P.S. IF YOU SEE A CAR BATTERY ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD IT WAS MINE OK THANKYOU! OWENS.
Respect
Soldier, you're brave and strong. You will survive, till the world ends...
I hope the god listens to you. God bless, owen...
Till the succeed of owen, we'll be rockin for you
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It's not that hard to drop off a battery at an autozone
Any update bro?
@@islandboyyy5281 naw not yet, im hopeing things dont go like its headed im praying im wrong!
I understood the math till 0.476. But didnt understand why we had to multiply with 0.55 gallons which is the fuel capacity of inverter. Could someone please explain
Amazing video Sir, thank you very much for sharing
Thank you! I didnt know the difference between a car battery vs deep cycle. I am looking for a set up to power a fridge in the event of a power outage.
Can you "charge" a battery, deep cycle or car battery with a jump starter? I have a dp power jump starter. If the battery dies, there is no power, how do you charge it?
Love your video! I've got son & daughter's old car batteries I've swapped out for them lying around charging up. Both are around 43ah 50ah. I'm going to be using them for LED lights around the tents when camping this summer and also charge our phones up. I'll be connecing a USB adapter for that which are 12v input and whatever (5v) USB. Everyone is excited......we have even got a small 5w solar panel. Have you got any advice on safety like fuses? I will watch and nurse the system and disconnect everything before we go to bed but should I use a fuse box and would a 10amp fuse do the job?
if you are just using a cigarette lighter socket style connection with the terminal clamps, you can get a 12 socket adapter with a built in 10 amp fuse, they use little capsule fuses in the adapter tip 👍5w panel on a 50ah battery is skirting the line on needing a charge controller though, unless it already has one built in
@@josoffat7649 yes there is a charge controller. Thanks for the feedback.
Great job explaining the math. I would have divided the inverter watts by 0.85 and use that as the input to the inverter because that's what's really going on. But the math would turn out the same.
I've been doing this technique for several years because when we have a power outage at our house it's usually only 2 or 3 hours. keep in mind that besides the TV you typically would want to fire up your Wi-Fi and Internet modem which are both low power devices also.
I also rearranged the breakers in my panel Box so that those 3 loads were on the same leg and I use a male to male plug into an outlet also on that leg to my life easy with no extension cords.
Hey thanks for your comment, would you happen to know how much power I'd need to run a 12v TV but with an xbox or PS4 gaming console in an RV? I am dumb with math lol.
@@kittywampusdrums you need to know how many amps your devices draw by measuring with a DC ammeter. Then, most car batteries have the capability to provide 50 to 100 amp-hours. That means 100 amps for 1 hour or 1 amp for 100 hours etc. However, car batteries are not meant to be draw down below 50%. A deep-cell RV battery works better for that.
How many hours will a 75a battery last in 1000w inverter running with 400w load?
So I have a group 34 Optima Red AGM battery which means I should be fine with using my back up battery then? I mean from my rudimentary understanding of how various batteries work an AGM is a deep cycle battery but not a marine battery due to not technically being rated for possibly being submerged or getting splashed? I mean it is a no spill battery so I'm guessing it's waterproof to like maybe a meter.
How can I wire a soft wash pump to connect to a generator instead of directly to car battery?
I am looking at walking the neighborhood a few hours / day with a vendor cart and I need mobile AC power where setting up a generator is just not feasible while walking and pushing a cart. I know the power requirements of my equipment (about 50 watts total, continuous). This video was very helpful knowing I can do it -- apparently better with a marine battery. If this doesn't sound correct, please advise.
You lost me at the math my friend. I understand why you did the problem. So, at the end are you getting more with the generator or battery per CCAs? So should I buy the battery and sine inverter or the gas generator? Still not sure.
Solar panels are quite expensive though.
Hi
How to set up a mobile tire change van with 1500w inverter powering 1500 w air compressor + 1050w tire changing machine ?
24 gallons air compressor gets full in aroud 4 minutes which is enough to fill 1-2 tires , meaning air compressor will have to be filled 2 -4 times per car . Tire changing machine will probably work for 8 minutes per car.
120 ah battery should fill air compressor and still have about 75 ah left after it.
Once 1 car is done this way then van will idle for 10 minute while packing tools and then travel to next car for about 20 minutes + can idle for another 10 minute while getting tools out for the next car.
Wonder how fast can van's alternatot recharge battery while idling and driving for this kind of time intervals.
Ford transit 2004 , 2.0 tdci, fifa, 92 kw
i think it has 105 a alternator .
Where to look for larger alternator if it can be installed ? Thicker cables as well ?
Thanks !
Hello I have question, is it good for power station AGM battery? We have here available in UAE Toby's battery, is it same performance like other portable power station? Please help thank you stay safe all.
I connect 12v/100ah 820A battery to a charger and inverter but when i turn on the tvI’m hearing a high noise from the tv any idea. And is it safe and normal ?
Than k you for all your info. about this subject very usefull when you play with 12v devices hope in the future you share your knowlege. I did suscribe to your chanel
I'm thinking about splitting my home installation into two backup systems; one using conventional car batteries (two at the moment) for lights and very low power draw appliances connected to low power cells. While I use lessons learned to build a more powerful second system perhaps at 48V that hooks up to an inverter. In this way, any catastrophic failure at either end still allows for backup, and more importantly, if fuel will be come scarce, I always have a car battery ready to go no matter what.
My plan is to adapt my trucks to use lp gas so I can later fall back into home made natural gas. But then, I'd use them very rarely if it gets to that, so having an infrastructure that allow for this is critical.
Additionally, I'm trying to get equivalent appliances that are 12V and getting a USB charging laptop is a key part of this. Having a gaming laptop is fun, but will certainly be unusable for the most part if I'm cornered into my backup backup lighting system. I also expect car batteries to be more common than specialized Off-grid batteries as time goes by.
Still, going solar (not electric, but solar) is useful. Wood, gas, and other sources that can be harvested locally ... so many skills to develop while simultaniously, learn about the changing web and its traps as they begin to lockdown our system. My guess is that they wish to destroy the foundation of the web as we understand it(anonymity, interoperability, free exchange of information across the globe) ... all those privacy regulations will most likely be weaponized as they roll off those digital currencies and start with those advertised false flag blackouts (hopefully they won't but didn't those WEF crooks say something about digital COVID and blackouts?)
Anyway... food for thought
I'm curious, some tv's come with power adapters that take the voltage down to 12v ?a. How long would the car battery last if the inverter was eliminated.
Cool thing that goes towards the battery side, is with solar you can recharge a battery without having to go to a gas station and get gas. With battery and solar charger setup its quieter and has less moving parts and replacement batteries after they go bad are a lot less to replace then a moving parts probably going to break something over time generator that probably wasn't designed to run 24/7 365 if someone was to setup a DIY RV or tiny home, cabin etc. Also with new Lithium based solar batteries the actual amount of power you can drain is a lot better than lead acid or AGM based deep cycle batteries. So I guess it all comes down to use scenario, long term the generator isn't a good idea, but having a generator combined with solar for cloudy day charging then you can power that TV as long as you want off the battery.
Basically anything petrol a generator sux
Great video, was so informative, thanks.
how many decibels from the inverter generator
How do I keep the car battery charged?
So, help a brother out…
1. Great job 👏🏼 with the vid and math conversion.
2. I like to camp. ⛺️ we have an extra car battery and I want to use it for laptop and some charging power in remote locations.
Should I use this inverter method? Or get a Golf ⛳️ cart battery and use that with an inverter?
Certainly Don’t want to fry me or my devices. And that is what the inverter prevents correct?
What is the tv watts?
Excellent video sir!!
10:00 wait a minute when the TV don't have anything playing on it all the LEDs are black none of them are lit up which is why it's only pulling 30 watts right? If there was something playing on the screen it would probably pull 125 or 150 at least I think because the screen would be lit up instead of black. Maybe I'm wrong but if the screen is black even though it's on none of those LEDs in the TV are lit up. When the power's out for short periods I use an inverter to run my TV and satellite but I leave my pickup truck running if it's really only pulling that many Watts I could leave my truck shut off for hours at a time......
You cant use a gas powered generator indoors, so how does that work?
This is all very confusing. I am considering living in a bus and want to be able to run a high performance computer for gaming and VR. I would need at least 750 watts (closer to 1000). Want to run it off a battery or generator seperate from the solar system power. How can i do that?
Any update bro? 2 years later
Soooo how long it wil work?
you are right about the math and about not killing a regular battery, but "super quiet", LOL... There is no way to have that in an apartment...
I have to say that I'd prefer to sit next to a car battery going flat than a generator providing the same same power. .
Can you power a small air conditioner?
Using the same for electrically independent garden lighting, using a 300w inverter... Standard 70ah 663cca battery. Better than solar power lighting, as solar gets dimmer over time.
Get a solar charger for battery
Very clever, and my head hurts. Also, I probably don’t want a gas (petrol etc) power inverter.
Another question. Is it better to use a portable generator?
Hi! FYI, I didn't watch the whole video... 2 much math lol... My question is simple. Approximately do you think a healthy new or used car battery would power my Optiplex 9020 PC tower and my 38" Alienware curved monitor for more than 2 hours?
Can I also use a beamer and a laptop?
Great job guys
3:00 the purpose of leaded car batteries is different , thyr meant to turn an engine . you can still get low amp and voltage applications for them :)
here is an interesting fact :
OK. Would possible to power a pressure washer (greenworks 1700psi/1.1gpm) off a deep cycle "D4" car battery for moderate amounts of time?.
What kinda setup would you recommend as I'm a mobile detailer.
11:16 - you clearly know how to create subtitles...
you could have used subtitles rather than holding up a white board.
Thanks for the info great job
Thanks for the video but, you really should keep them simple, for dummies like me.
This video taught me all the shit I wanted to know
Did you say how long the battery would run a TV? Withball that info, how about a range?? 2 hours to 4?? What was it??
super quiet generator indeed :))) it sounds like someone is driving a motorbike inside your apt. :) but great video thank you for mentioning when playing tv while the car is running that's what I wanted to know, I also wanted to know how many or the max devices that you can run/power on a car battery while the car is running, I didn't find any answer for that question until now. i looked everywhere no luck.
I want to get on a stationary bike, or treadmill, and power my TV while I watch a 1 hour episode of Star Trek. Can somebody please give me a list of what to do to get this accomplished?? All I have seen so far points to a generator and a 12v battery...but I dunno how to put any of it together.
The name escapes me at the moment. But he uses the motors from tread mills, and did this for the kids. To watch tv they have to exercise.
Can I ask why you would convert DC power to AC power just to have the TV convert it back to DC voltage for use? Am I missing something?
Yeh not all tvs come with a 12 volt connector.
Ty sooooooo much! Finally someone explains it efficiently. Is it ok to use a deep cycle battery as the car battery?
At around 11:22, he expains why a deep cycle (marine) battery is better than a car battery for this use.
I clicked on here think iwas gonna get a simple answer like 12 hours
It's called Square-wave vs Sine-wave or modified. Inverters don't do too well with LED lighting either, because of the wave form issue. An inverter powered 10 watt rated 120 Vac bulb will have about a 30 cycle flutter rate which is quite annoying. Also, most 12v LED lights usually need a minimum of 11.5 volts to operate; they just cut off all together, as opposed to an incandescent bulb which will just get dimmer as the battery power fades. This also affects an inverter regardless of the type wave form it produces. If your battery falls below 11 volts, the inverter usually cuts off. You have 11 good volts in there which is unusable.
This is why we have 200ah LiFePo4 batteries, with inverter, charged via 200w solar (soon to be 400w) for electric supply to our tankless gas water heater, two LED can lights, fan, and wifi connection. THEN, we also have a generator (soon to be a honda) for refrigerator etc. Utilize multiple sources of power to diversify in our levels of emergency planning. Also looking to add a propane option for the generator as well
You only need to cool your refrigerator twice a day. Am and PM
what the thing called at 8:00 with the clips to the battery and the powerpoint
Power inverter
What’s the runtime of 2kva ups on 240Vac with 7A load 1700w
So how many hours?
Probably simpler to measure the amps direct from the battery itself. No need to account for invertor efficiencies, AC power factor etc. Just amps from battery to invertor to get the expected duration,
Hey, I came here from the solar panel videos :) So my obvious question would be, Could it be efficient to use solar panel to charge the battery and then use it to run the TV (or any device at home)? Would the battery run out faster then it charges ?
IDK but I hope someone answers this.
That really depends on the rating of your solar panel(s) and how much you have.
@Peter Hicks I have a 100w solar panel and a 1200w inverter, no battery yet, to experiment a bit. Haven't set it up yet. So could I just plug in a washing machine (on cold wash program) to a 100AH battery via an inverter and it would just work normally? Maybe even do that on a sunny day so the battery gets extra help from the panel?
@@petermurphy5302 have you figured out your answer? Would love to know what you cane up with.
Well this can't be answered since you would need more information on the size battery, solar panel, time of year, and location. Those other factors depend on direct sunlight. As for the battery a general deep cycle battery with say 100-200 wh panels. Even in half a day sunlight it would not charge the battery enough to let it run day after day even then your not supposed to drain a deep cycle battery past half. It will shorten the life. Long story short if you want to invest in alot of batteries and solar panels to run a TV. Yes it will work or most small drain appliances. But just one battery and a panel no.
Thank you very much and it was very informative.
Do you have to recharge the car battery ran out?
all i wanted was the math, thank you
Yeah I was living for $400 a month in a four-bedroom house and they pay the utilities and tell somebody about since 2013 now somebody finally bought the place but they're going to take it all the way to the look around the house
Hello, I would like to know that: if I connect a "lifepo4 smart charger to the wall 110V socket" to a "30Ah lifepo4 battery" and then to an inverter, I come up with some kind of an automatically switched and operationally save UPS. Thank you for your response.
Miguel J. Rondon Anton Number one why would you be hooking it up to wall socket then Inverter then to the battery you’re defeating the fucking purpose of having the inverter hooked to the battery there should be no 110 wall socket involved or are you talking about the socket on the inverter itself you need to make that clear in your comment
@@an_what The battery must be in between the wall socket and the inverter and the idea is to maintain it to maximum charge when an eventual electric outage comes up, and then, start recharging automatically when the electric service is restored. I assume that is the way an UPS works
Did he ever answer the question or is he still on the whiteboard
Electricity is all about math, if you can learn, please keep quite.
Whats the brand of your inverter generator?
great explanations Thanks a lot
Gracias compadre! eh visto muchos videos pero esta vez lo explicaste bastante bien claro!! Gracias!!!
That's not distortion it's the capacitors burning out from the modified sine wave..... lots of TVs don't like them...... This will not happen if you use a pure sine wave inverter.
HELP🥺will a deep cycle battery power my electric heater doing the winter maybe 10h a night😳
Why cause the distortion on the tv? Will a normal inverter to that?
Future TV's should be manufactured with rechargeable battery plug in features. We live in a world where we have battery operated lawn mowers which work fantastic, I have a Ryobi lawn mower, works great and goes plenty long enough on 40 volt battery. Same application which is used for power tools should be considered for Televisions and every house hold electronics. Well, space heaters, would take alot of genius thinking, to battery power them. Let's start with our big screen "smart" TVs.
Nice cross cut sled!