@funnylilgalreacts I feel the same way! His growth and development is incredible. And he calls himself a coward when Lucy left the vault and when he was talking to Betty, but he was literally the only one that had an inkling of what was going on during the wedding, and he went to investigate by himself. That's not a coward. It's just showing bravery by using an alternate route.
Much of what makes this show amazing is the characters. Even the fill in characters like... we'll call him "Chicken lover", and Ma June, Barv and the guy with the sand filled, 'water filter', from the 2nd episode. Norm started off as a secondary character, but has has developed so much. He absolutely is one of the main characters at this point, and as for my favorites (no offense to Maximus) a close third behind his sister.
At this stage, I don't think the ghoul is going with CX404 because she leads him to the head. He already got the location of the head/Moldaver from the lead farmers. I think he freed her simply because he likes her company (even is she is not Him).
Absolutely. It's quite clear that the whole ordeal is leading him to recollect some stuff he has probably buried and tried to forget. At this point I'm sure having the dog around feels better than not simply because it does help him remember Roosevelt.
Notice, too, that when he says to her "Sorry Dogmeat, but you're not him", he says it in COOPER's voice. His 'Cowboy Twang' is noticeably gone. It's one of two instances in the show where the real Coop comes through, rather than his Cowboy persona that he uses to deal with life in the Wasteland.
27:00 Yes, I LOVE Chet's reply! People love shitting on him as if we all are gun-slinging rootin-tootin heroes. Not a single person seems to have sympathy for Chet's struggle because they see Norm as the standard when he is not. He is the anomaly.
I like that even Thaddeus said, "Ni-nice meeting you!" before leaving. Lucy just has that effect on a lot of people, bringing out the good with her upbeat civility.
The armour the lead farmer at the beginning was wearing is NCR Veteran desert ranger armour, seen in Fallout: New Vegas. It's a really iconic design from the games, so the fact that we got to see it in the show, and that they accompanied the scene with another version of the main theme from the games, was a real delight! Chances are the father in that family was ex-NCR. The hacking thing Norm did on Betty's terminal is also a match for the password-guessing minigame used to hack terminals in the games, too!
The scene where the Ghoul tells CX404: "I'm sorry Dogmeat, but you ain't him." -- it reminds me of how my soul dog recently passed and try as he might, his "brother" just isn't him.
Earlier in a flashback Coop told Roosevelt that he couldn't join him at the Vault-Tec party because he was "heading into enemy territory." Later, he's told that there are no dogs in the vault and echoes it again while digging through the trash. The show is full of fun foreshadowing.
Going to lead off that this does not spoil anything in the show. There are other ghouls besides Cooper who remain stable. It's still a mystery in the games what makes some ghouls more susceptible than others, but it is implied that most ghouls will at some point go feral, some very quickly; some take years, some decades. There are also rare ghouls that have lived for centuries (even some from before the nuclear war like Cooper) and remained stable, though they are indeed rare. All that to say Thadeus has a chance to be a sane and stable ghoul, though the odds are he will turn eventually. And no, never trust a miracle cure/drug in this world. There's always a twist.
Cooper also mentioned Bakersfield in the show, Bakersfield is home to vault 12 where the experiment was a faulty main door allowing radiation to slowly leak in the vault. They were testing long term effects on people. Everyone in vault 12 became ghouls and it became known as Necropolis in the game.
The funny thing is Maximus' LUCK stat is actually higher than his INT stat.... in the games theres a perk called Idiot Savant that triggers MORE the lower your intelligence
I cannot get enough of Walton Goggins in this series like seriously he's such an amazing actor. Thanks for such an awesome reaction and great video too!!
The radio station music being the music from Radio Freedom is so hilarious! OMG, I dreaded checking in with the Minutemen, waiting forever to get to the announcement, the same several songs playing over, and over, and...AHHHHHHH!!! Them making that into a joke? Priceless, and totally worth hearing those tunes again.
Just want to say, I discovered your channel via Fallout, but I've been burning through your Expanse series and it's been a breathtaking journey. So glad to see how much you enjoyed it. Also, not for nothing, but I bet everyone here would agree that it would be a lot of fun to get a series where you actually *play* Fallout 4. I'd love to see that, and I bet a lot of other folks would too!
36:16 Not even that. A person lying doesn't make them a liar. There is often more nuance to the motivations for most of us lying. We could do it to protect someone, to protect ourselves, to manipulate someone, to encourage someone...I think in this context Maximus is a survivor. And yeah, definitely Norman was a natural born detective in a world that had no mystery until now.
the opening scene of this episode, with Erik Estrada (from CHiPs), is very similar to that of the villain's introduction in the 1966 film "the good, the bad and the ugly".
As a long time fan of nerdy books with weird names: you pronounce things however the hell you want. Your thoughts about the characters and their actions are way more important than whether we say their names the same way. :D
To be clear... Cooper only made those concessions... saying the line and killing in the movie, or doing the commercials... as favors to his wife. Recall the discussion they were having when he was first getting into the costume for the commercials. After a while he resented it, which is why he went to the meeting with his buddy, and also why he ended up digging the earpiece out of the trash. He knows that the business model for his wife's company is to peddle and foment hatred and fear. This way, people will be more likely to buy their products. After all, if there is no threat of war and only the promise of peace, then where does a vault fit in to all of that? He even stated as much in the meeting with Moldaver and in his conversation with her in the hall after he walked out. He was caught in the middle because his wife wanted one thing, but his values led him to something else. Now, he is gunning for the people responsible for the war (and hoping to stop more from happening) and his being a Ghoul... people like Moldaver and whoever worked with Vault-Tec and his wife. Keep in mind that there have now been 2 nuclear wars fought, and each time more people were driven into the hands of Vault-Tec; and Cooper was around for both of them!
What really makes Norm so well done is that in episode 1, Chet (the biggest person in Vault 33) is willing to head right out with Lucy but Norm (the smallest person) tells Lucy he's 'too chicken'. Then as they both explore 32 and the mystery deepens, Chet turns out to be the actual coward and Norm is the brave one. A complete reversal of expectations which is *brilliant*. Then, Norm always 'lacked enthusiasm' because no job in the Vault could keep him engaged, but the mystery of what's going on in 32 and 31 have now really kept him focused and he's able to use his intelligence (in game terms probably a 9 or 10 - the very top rating) in seeing what's going on. In fact, that hacking scene at the overseer's computer, was pretty much right out of the game and in game is easier the higher a character's intelligence is. More brilliant writing by the show's creators.
"if my dad found out i destroyed an entire community to save him, that'd break his heart. James to my Evil playthrough F3 character: im very disappointed in you.
I think my favorite part to this episode is the death by banishment on the surface scene and the fake out they pulled. I laughed so much at that entire scene. Closely followed by your meme you made about the irradiated beverage machine (Nuka Cola) lol. Oh, the cliffhanger I am on pins and needles to see your reaction to the next episode!
I love your intro to this video, and respect that you held onto your suspicions but appreciate that you were more open minded in your theories and not just concluding that everything you don't understand is evil. I always disliked how little everyone thinks of Maximus but I do get it. Vantage point, and all.
I can honestly say I feel for Thaddeus regarding his foot. earlier this year I was in a bad car accident that caused severe frostbite and burns on one of my feet, and having to walk on it for three days before I could get proper medical attention. i'm lucky i survived
To answer the Thaddeus question, as a player, watching the foot regrow there were two options that crossed my mind, especially with the comment about not needing to worry about radiation. The second option hasn't been hinted at in this show in any way, so I figured probably ghoul and it ties in with them having had ghoulification as a recurring theme this season. So very keen to see your reaction to the finale - see you there!
Something tells me that this particular radio station is a reference to a station called Minutemen Radio in Fallout 4. Not only are the Minutemen notorious for being an annoying faction (sending you on a lot of tedious quests and nagging you very frequently if you decide to make them your main faction) but their radio station plays similar music - maybe even the same; I don't make a habit of using that radio station in-game. But I do know that if it's not the same song, it's very similar. And from what I gather of the community, people really do not appreciate the music coming through Minutemen Radio.
Amazon Prime video shows the music playing while DJ Carl and Thaddeus are talking about it is "Minuteman Radio". So it actually is the music from Fallout 4.
@@TitusOfPavis Wouldn't you know, a couple days after I made this comment, I actually saw a video using this information to theorize that the Minutemen ending is the canon ending to Fallout 4. If it were any other faction, I'd say it was a background detail that you shouldn't read into, but considering how much effort Bethesda put into getting you involved with the Minutemen in Fallout 4, I actually believe the theory.
Whether or not Thaddius is a ghoul now is debatable. There are a few other things the "serum" could be turning him into. Regardless, the Brotherhood would try to kill him.
Although it appears Thaddeus is becoming a ghoul some who played the game thinks otherwise. The Ghoul Cooper doesn't grow a finger back but has to sew on another one while Thaddeus grew his foot back. Read more for possible spoiler . . . . . . . . . . It's possible Thaddeus got a dose of what the games called the Forced Evolutionary Virus (FEV) and will become a super mutant.
I don't know if this has been mentioned, but the stats in the game are called your "SPECIAL", Strength, Perception, Endurance, Charisma, Intelligence, Agility and Luck (S.P.E.C.I.A.L). From watching the show I'd say Maximus has very high Luck and very low Intelligence.
32:59 That's the hacking minigame in all Fallout games since Fallout 3. If you've ever played the board game Mastermind, it's basically that but with letters instead of colors and with some extra twists.
When you said cooper/ghoul is so gone it kinda made me think of him as a reflection of the world here. It'll never return to what it was however much people try.
It’s theorized that Thaddeus may become a super mutant. Only way to know is to wait for the next time we see him. Even on the wiki it says Ghoul…Possibly? Which i love xD We all took that info from the not smart character as if he’s the most knowledgeable person. Either way whatever he becomes im eager to see.
"I am absolutely enjoying this world" Correction: You enjoying WATCHING this world. I don't know but I would not want to live in a world even close to the Fallout universe. 😂 😂
IMO Vault four isn't making the caviar, it was stored in the vaults storage area, this is one of the "good" vaults made for vault -tec scientists. The current residents of four are not doing experiments on the people in the cryo tubes, they are looking after them hoping to find a way to cure them. The mutant people in vault four are the descendants of the experiments that revolted vs the scientists. IMO vault four is probably the least messed up place around. Fusion cores are rare and valuable. IMO Betty poisoned the raiders, the distraction they provided for Bettys election, "when things look glum vote 31". The vaults do not communicate by design.
When you said I love Lucy I smiled. Man I'm old. There are more frequent non feral ghouls in the games. That's screen you didn't get at 32:57 is how you hack in the game.
For whatever it's worth there's another TH-camr, Oxhorn, that does deep dives into Flallout lore, including covering the show since it's come out. His profile on Maximus is probably the closest to my own that I've seen, and worth a watch. I feel like a lot of people have a bad read on him. Also, yeah, Vault 4 is probably the nicest place in the wasteland, all things considered. Definitely a few oddballs, but like Birdie infers, it's a matter of perspective, and they mean well and are trying to do the right thing. I do like the bait and switch in this case of setting it up to be sinister only for it to turn out that they're actually the good guys... Happens a few times in this series, in both directions, but every one of them was so well executed that I enjoyed them all.
You keep going on about the "Chicken F'ker Guy"... but you've known about ghouls when they are about to turn and chickens since 10 minutes into ep 1.. Q?
This show REALLY messes with your expectations. Lucy's dad isn't so great, Vault 4 isn't as bad, Vaults 31/32/33 aren't as perfect, Moldaver isn't as evil, Cooper's wife isn't as nice, etc. Also, no spoilers but there are other things in the game that have regenerative powers besides ghouls.
I need to watch this series because of Fall Out joins the crossover in Call of Duty: Warzone content & Fortnite, even tho I don’t play Fortnite all the time..
"No chemistry": I agree completely. However - between someone who has basically ever only done "cousin stuff", and someone who grew up in cult and consider it "weird" when "it pops like a pimple" ... Maybe there's not much chemistry needed? :)
The chickens' lover is a ghoul. With no caps to buy drugs, he was going to off himself rather than going feral. Maybe his featherly loves are to prove himself is not feral, remember “A feral ghoul cannot abide a chicken” :D
Maximus and Lucy don't need chemistry - Lucy was going to marry a total stranger just because she was told she should - so Maximus turns out to have more of a connection with her than what is typical in the vault.
I do think they did well enough to show some chemistry - not perfect chemistry mind you, but they’ve already shown her having a bit of hero worship for him, and they did appear to bond over the course of their travels. He is so far perhaps THE most trustworthy person she’s seen so far (that she didn’t accidentally burn due to mistrust).
Their characters are semi-mirrors of one another - as is The Ghoul. Fundamentally good people surviving in a world that...isn't good. The Ghoul shows one consequence of what happens to people like that.
Fred Armisen’s comments about people not liking his music selection is a reference to fans of the game not liking one of the radio stations you can find in one of the games and complaining about it online.
In full context, once you get Radio Freedom up and running it becomes the sole way to get Minutemen radiant quests. If that's something you want to do, you end up listening to the same three fiddle songs over and over again - sometimes forever without getting what you're listening for in the first place, if the radiant system breaks (which happens with Radio Freedom often). They somehow took the 'thanks for helping, another settlement needs our help' Preston meme and made it worse.
There is a quest in FO3 to recover a violin from a vault for a woman who starts a music station of her violin music. Radio Freedom being fiddles may be a reference to that.
Hard to imagine that anyone on the surface doesn't actually smell bad. Like, how and where are they washing themselves and their clothes if clean water is that valuable and you'd rather drink it? Surely all of them smell to the heavens.
The lead farmers scene is an homage to "The Good, The Bad & The Ugly." If you've never seen it, check out the scene where Angel Eyes and his soon-to-be-victim share dinner together. :-)
I also saw that scene as a callout to the cabin scene in the streaming show, The Last of Us, where Joel and Ellie ended up in the Native American couple's cabin.
I had completely forgot about Eric Estrada until he popped up in the first scene has the father. He is famous for the CHiP's tv series that ran during the late '70's/early '80's.
Love Norm. Totally thought he was just a throw away character. Also the truth bombs they characters say. "We all are (cowards) Norm. We live in a Vault." My favorite is from episode 2 with the scientist talking to Lucy at the campfire. "You will have to adapt. The question is will you want the same things when you have become a different animal altogether." Said to Lucy but really applies to all of our main characters that are still human. And I think explains The Ghoul and why he is the way he is after all this time.
The way this show uses music to help enhance situations both dramatic and comedic continues to really impress me. When they started in with Maximus brutalizing the vault security officers to "Only You" by the Platters, I couldn't stop laughing.
Betty clearly considers Norm to be a person to be reckoned with. She hasn't/won't take him into her confidence, tho when she sees her admin computer screen she's bound to add 3+5=Norm. She keeps dropping advice to him She wouldn't waste on the standard fare Vault 33 Drones. I don't remember seeing Betty during the 33 wedding massacre. Makes you wonder???
Betty also set Norm up by killing the prisoners so the vault could possibly later on turn on Norm since he said “do the same to them” line at the vault meeting.
One of the issues people seem to have with the Max and Lucy and there relationship is that it has no chemistry. However, neither of them are wired like that. We see Lucy's mindset on relationships with her wedding. She is looking for a breeding partner and preferably a decent person. Love doesn't seem to matter. Max has shown he has ZERO relationship experience. He is a blind puppy meeting the first girl that likes him. He is in deep shit with the Brotherhood and Lucy is the only person that hasn't betrayed him or treated him like shit. He would literally die for her. Sure it's not romantic, but for most of human history weddings were more transactional. Like this. As for Thad turning ghoul... No, I didn't think he was a ghoul. Further more, I still don't. There's another possibility... but spoilers.
I guess it's just me... I saw Lucy and Maximus as googly-eyed for each other pretty much since they met. There were a few spots where it was played more for the gag, but I still never doubted they were going to end up at least kissing.
There is plenty of chemistry. In the first episode most reviewers loved the first guy at first because he was good looking. Maximus and Lucy were building all season but I can see people not seeing it. The actors showed great chemistry in interviews. They are really well casted. I think personal attraction with viewers may be a reason for not seeing it.
@@rnkelly36And I disagree with your assessment, I’m afraid. Ella Purnell had good chemistry in those interviews, as she seems to with everyone. Aaron Moten, however, was incredibly awkward in those interviews. And there were also some awkward moments between the two of them... Though part of that could be attributed to it being a press junket; he’s a pretty new actor, and wouldn’t be used to this. They had a bit more chemistry on screen, but not much. In my opinion. Even then, it felt more like friendship, than anything resembling romance, in their scenes. They may have been building up to it in the writing, but the performance still felt forced to me.
@@AKCFTW @@AKCFTW Yeah I would really disagree with your view. They did seem like friends and that is a good thing. There characters were written to be on similar character journeys but in opposite directions. By episode 7 I think they meet right in the middle as they should. He is a young new actor but that contrast even helps with both of their character development. Lucy is the more experienced and trained learning the world is more different than she was taught. Maximus is the child who grew up learning hard lessons never given a moment to be young and happy. Each learn from each other but Lucy is becoming more dark and Maximus is learning to be more moral. Now they are set up as two souls that need each other but may never have a chance at happiness.
One of the default player character sheets for Fallout 1 was Max Stone, who had Strength & Endurance stats of 10 but a Charisma and Intelligence of 4. Literally as dumb as a rock. I thinks this Max is a reference to that.
I actually think Lucy and Maximus have great chemistry! When he agrees to live with her in 33 and they just smirk at each other with giddy excitement at living together! Plus they straight up asked to have sex with each other a few times! Lol!
Now here we go, Thadius might just become a main in the future. You got Lucy (Dorthey, naive out of place), Maximus (Tin Man, she even had to save him from not being able to move), The Ghoul (Scarecrow, ugly but clutch), then there is our cowardly knight wanna be turned Mutant (The Lion). just a thought....
I did find that interesting. The biggest turning point for his character in the whole show, giving up his Knighthood dreams for Lucy, and it didn't make the cut.
While playing Fallout 4, a dog named "Dogmeat" was my faithful companion. In a situation fighting raiders in a building, I'd moved to my right to get a target on a raider through two doorways, and some distance beyond. I didn't see what weapon she was holding until she fired... oh sh#t! Missile launcher! I tried to quickly move back to my left but was stuck. Luckily the missile hit outside the furthest doorway, causing no damage. When I looked to my left to see what was pinning me in, there was Dogmeat. While I do not condone the actions of Thaddeus and would never abandon an animal in a container, I get the joke. In my experience, the majority of times after an encounter, I'd greet Dogmeat with "Way to go!", or "Good boy!". He only occasionally tried to get me killed. To clarify the difference between game and show, Fallout 4 was set in Boston, and Dogmeat was a male German Shepherd. This series is several years after, set in Southern California and 404 is a female Belgian Malinois (even though The Ghoul, Coop refers to her as Dogmeat). 404 is certainly a callback to Dogmeat and one many of us appreciate! I've not played the other games, but evidently "Dogmeat" appears in some of the others. Although clearly they're not the same dog, as they're in different times and separate parts of the country. Dogmeat must be a common post apocalyptic name for a dog, as Rex, Fido, or Spot were in the past.
I'd say Maximus cha is pretty average, maybe a bit below, its his int that's really low. I'd say he has 1 int and 10 luck. You could even tell at the beginning he couldn't recognize a circuit, but he keeps lucking into surviving
Norm is the secret 4th main character and i love him so much. His development from a misfit kid into someone discovering the truth is SO GOOOOOD.
He's my favorite character besides Coop
@funnylilgalreacts I feel the same way! His growth and development is incredible. And he calls himself a coward when Lucy left the vault and when he was talking to Betty, but he was literally the only one that had an inkling of what was going on during the wedding, and he went to investigate by himself. That's not a coward. It's just showing bravery by using an alternate route.
Much of what makes this show amazing is the characters. Even the fill in characters like... we'll call him "Chicken lover", and Ma June, Barv and the guy with the sand filled, 'water filter', from the 2nd episode. Norm started off as a secondary character, but has has developed so much. He absolutely is one of the main characters at this point, and as for my favorites (no offense to Maximus) a close third behind his sister.
After Episode 5 I will stand by this statement.
The Wrong sibling left the Vault
At this stage, I don't think the ghoul is going with CX404 because she leads him to the head. He already got the location of the head/Moldaver from the lead farmers. I think he freed her simply because he likes her company (even is she is not Him).
I absolutely love that they added that line
Absolutely. It's quite clear that the whole ordeal is leading him to recollect some stuff he has probably buried and tried to forget. At this point I'm sure having the dog around feels better than not simply because it does help him remember Roosevelt.
Seems like Lucy and 4 kinda ground him a little, reminding him of who he was.
Yep. The Ghoul apends a lot of time trying to find justifications for his actions instead of being honest with himself.
Notice, too, that when he says to her "Sorry Dogmeat, but you're not him", he says it in COOPER's voice. His 'Cowboy Twang' is noticeably gone. It's one of two instances in the show where the real Coop comes through, rather than his Cowboy persona that he uses to deal with life in the Wasteland.
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Yes, I LOVE Chet's reply! People love shitting on him as if we all are gun-slinging rootin-tootin heroes. Not a single person seems to have sympathy for Chet's struggle because they see Norm as the standard when he is not. He is the anomaly.
20:46 ""We will remember you forever irradiated beverage machine!" made me laugh enough to log on and let you know.
I like that even Thaddeus said, "Ni-nice meeting you!" before leaving. Lucy just has that effect on a lot of people, bringing out the good with her upbeat civility.
REALLY hope we see more Thaddeus in S2. I can't believe how much I like his character by the end.
When Norm was on the computer towards the end of the episode, he was hacking the computer. The screen was right out of the Fallout game.
I only played FO3 once. Still, when I saw that screen I thought it was a great touch to the series.
I liked or at least tolerated the game hacking, my friend hated it. We had very different reactions when it showed up on tv haha
@@AL-fl4jkthere’s a proper way to do it but its just faster to save scum or backing out
Fake realism! He didn't brute-force it by trying three times and then backing out to stop it locking him out. 😆
@@Scyth0r People do this??? Why, it's super easy
The lower intestine line is my favorite part of the episode for sure 😂
Snake Oil Salesman is a great character. Props to Jon Daly.
The armour the lead farmer at the beginning was wearing is NCR Veteran desert ranger armour, seen in Fallout: New Vegas. It's a really iconic design from the games, so the fact that we got to see it in the show, and that they accompanied the scene with another version of the main theme from the games, was a real delight! Chances are the father in that family was ex-NCR.
The hacking thing Norm did on Betty's terminal is also a match for the password-guessing minigame used to hack terminals in the games, too!
When the ghoul sits down with 404 after his flash back he pets dogmeat and says " you ain't him" RIP Roosevelt 🙏 the bestest of boys
The scene where the Ghoul tells CX404: "I'm sorry Dogmeat, but you ain't him." -- it reminds me of how my soul dog recently passed and try as he might, his "brother" just isn't him.
Earlier in a flashback Coop told Roosevelt that he couldn't join him at the Vault-Tec party because he was "heading into enemy territory." Later, he's told that there are no dogs in the vault and echoes it again while digging through the trash.
The show is full of fun foreshadowing.
Going to lead off that this does not spoil anything in the show. There are other ghouls besides Cooper who remain stable. It's still a mystery in the games what makes some ghouls more susceptible than others, but it is implied that most ghouls will at some point go feral, some very quickly; some take years, some decades. There are also rare ghouls that have lived for centuries (even some from before the nuclear war like Cooper) and remained stable, though they are indeed rare. All that to say Thadeus has a chance to be a sane and stable ghoul, though the odds are he will turn eventually.
And no, never trust a miracle cure/drug in this world. There's always a twist.
Cooper also mentioned Bakersfield in the show, Bakersfield is home to vault 12 where the experiment was a faulty main door allowing radiation to slowly leak in the vault. They were testing long term effects on people. Everyone in vault 12 became ghouls and it became known as Necropolis in the game.
FEV is a helluva drug.
There is something else Thaddeus could be turning into that was only in a few frames for fans I think, I'm hoping to see them in S2
"...or is he just, I mean, a quack?" No Angela, he's a cluck!
The Super Troopers bit made me smile! Thank you :).
The funny thing is Maximus' LUCK stat is actually higher than his INT stat.... in the games theres a perk called Idiot Savant that triggers MORE the lower your intelligence
Good old "Intelligence is a Dump Stat, right?" Maximus.
That's not in his official Bethesda-released build, but there's no way he doesn't have that perk He fails upward every single time.
I cannot get enough of Walton Goggins in this series like seriously he's such an amazing actor. Thanks for such an awesome reaction and great video too!!
That F bomb at the end there....that is why I can do nothing else than binge watch 🤣
The radio station music being the music from Radio Freedom is so hilarious! OMG, I dreaded checking in with the Minutemen, waiting forever to get to the announcement, the same several songs playing over, and over, and...AHHHHHHH!!!
Them making that into a joke? Priceless, and totally worth hearing those tunes again.
Inserting Farva when you talk about Jon Daly's character... Simply top-notch.
Just want to say, I discovered your channel via Fallout, but I've been burning through your Expanse series and it's been a breathtaking journey. So glad to see how much you enjoyed it.
Also, not for nothing, but I bet everyone here would agree that it would be a lot of fun to get a series where you actually *play* Fallout 4. I'd love to see that, and I bet a lot of other folks would too!
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Not even that. A person lying doesn't make them a liar. There is often more nuance to the motivations for most of us lying. We could do it to protect someone, to protect ourselves, to manipulate someone, to encourage someone...I think in this context Maximus is a survivor.
And yeah, definitely Norman was a natural born detective in a world that had no mystery until now.
the opening scene of this episode, with Erik Estrada (from CHiPs), is very similar to that of the villain's introduction in the 1966 film "the good, the bad and the ugly".
33:00 That screen where you find words and pick possible passwords is how you hack terminals in the games
As a long time fan of nerdy books with weird names: you pronounce things however the hell you want.
Your thoughts about the characters and their actions are way more important than whether we say their names the same way. :D
Norm is the GOAT. He really became one of the best characters in the show.
Thank you for referencing Super Troopers. Its the first thing that pops into my head when I hear chicken @#$%^!.
To be clear... Cooper only made those concessions... saying the line and killing in the movie, or doing the commercials... as favors to his wife. Recall the discussion they were having when he was first getting into the costume for the commercials. After a while he resented it, which is why he went to the meeting with his buddy, and also why he ended up digging the earpiece out of the trash. He knows that the business model for his wife's company is to peddle and foment hatred and fear. This way, people will be more likely to buy their products. After all, if there is no threat of war and only the promise of peace, then where does a vault fit in to all of that? He even stated as much in the meeting with Moldaver and in his conversation with her in the hall after he walked out. He was caught in the middle because his wife wanted one thing, but his values led him to something else. Now, he is gunning for the people responsible for the war (and hoping to stop more from happening) and his being a Ghoul... people like Moldaver and whoever worked with Vault-Tec and his wife. Keep in mind that there have now been 2 nuclear wars fought, and each time more people were driven into the hands of Vault-Tec; and Cooper was around for both of them!
What really makes Norm so well done is that in episode 1, Chet (the biggest person in Vault 33) is willing to head right out with Lucy but Norm (the smallest person) tells Lucy he's 'too chicken'. Then as they both explore 32 and the mystery deepens, Chet turns out to be the actual coward and Norm is the brave one. A complete reversal of expectations which is *brilliant*.
Then, Norm always 'lacked enthusiasm' because no job in the Vault could keep him engaged, but the mystery of what's going on in 32 and 31 have now really kept him focused and he's able to use his intelligence (in game terms probably a 9 or 10 - the very top rating) in seeing what's going on. In fact, that hacking scene at the overseer's computer, was pretty much right out of the game and in game is easier the higher a character's intelligence is. More brilliant writing by the show's creators.
"if my dad found out i destroyed an entire community to save him, that'd break his heart.
James to my Evil playthrough F3 character: im very disappointed in you.
16:45 that is the moment when everyone turns on Thaddeus
I think my favorite part to this episode is the death by banishment on the surface scene and the fake out they pulled. I laughed so much at that entire scene. Closely followed by your meme you made about the irradiated beverage machine (Nuka Cola) lol. Oh, the cliffhanger I am on pins and needles to see your reaction to the next episode!
Nice to see Eric Estrada on tv again
I don't think Thaddeus is what Thaddeus thinks he is. Maybe he should find a gurney somewhere and lie down for a bit.
A lot of people have been saying this! Now I’m really excited to know what that means
@@funnylilgalreacts I'm just saying that maaaaaybe his character doesn't have enough saturation.
Insert Captain America "I understood that reference" meme here. ☺
The Farva bit really made me laugh. I thought of that myself. This show is good stuff!
I love your intro to this video, and respect that you held onto your suspicions but appreciate that you were more open minded in your theories and not just concluding that everything you don't understand is evil. I always disliked how little everyone thinks of Maximus but I do get it. Vantage point, and all.
I can honestly say I feel for Thaddeus regarding his foot. earlier this year I was in a bad car accident that caused severe frostbite and burns on one of my feet, and having to walk on it for three days before I could get proper medical attention. i'm lucky i survived
To answer the Thaddeus question, as a player, watching the foot regrow there were two options that crossed my mind, especially with the comment about not needing to worry about radiation.
The second option hasn't been hinted at in this show in any way, so I figured probably ghoul and it ties in with them having had ghoulification as a recurring theme this season.
So very keen to see your reaction to the finale - see you there!
There was a "blink and you miss it" hint in "The Target".
43:25 War, War never changes
Something tells me that this particular radio station is a reference to a station called Minutemen Radio in Fallout 4. Not only are the Minutemen notorious for being an annoying faction (sending you on a lot of tedious quests and nagging you very frequently if you decide to make them your main faction) but their radio station plays similar music - maybe even the same; I don't make a habit of using that radio station in-game. But I do know that if it's not the same song, it's very similar. And from what I gather of the community, people really do not appreciate the music coming through Minutemen Radio.
In the real world, people also didn’t like the music they played.
Amazon Prime video shows the music playing while DJ Carl and Thaddeus are talking about it is "Minuteman Radio". So it actually is the music from Fallout 4.
@@TitusOfPavis Wouldn't you know, a couple days after I made this comment, I actually saw a video using this information to theorize that the Minutemen ending is the canon ending to Fallout 4. If it were any other faction, I'd say it was a background detail that you shouldn't read into, but considering how much effort Bethesda put into getting you involved with the Minutemen in Fallout 4, I actually believe the theory.
Whether or not Thaddius is a ghoul now is debatable. There are a few other things the "serum" could be turning him into. Regardless, the Brotherhood would try to kill him.
When you do something "wrong" in game , you lose Karma or if a good deed is done, you would gain your Karma
"Don't... fuck!"
Although it appears Thaddeus is becoming a ghoul some who played the game thinks otherwise. The Ghoul Cooper doesn't grow a finger back but has to sew on another one while Thaddeus grew his foot back.
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It's possible Thaddeus got a dose of what the games called the Forced Evolutionary Virus (FEV) and will become a super mutant.
Did she say they Dont have chemistry? What show were you watching lol.
I don't know if this has been mentioned, but the stats in the game are called your "SPECIAL", Strength, Perception, Endurance, Charisma, Intelligence, Agility and Luck (S.P.E.C.I.A.L). From watching the show I'd say Maximus has very high Luck and very low Intelligence.
Its been a while since seeing Erik Estrada acting in anything
Only Nuka-Cola caps are used as money, caps from other drinks are worthless.
32:59 That's the hacking minigame in all Fallout games since Fallout 3. If you've ever played the board game Mastermind, it's basically that but with letters instead of colors and with some extra twists.
When you said cooper/ghoul is so gone it kinda made me think of him as a reflection of the world here. It'll never return to what it was however much people try.
It’s theorized that Thaddeus may become a super mutant. Only way to know is to wait for the next time we see him.
Even on the wiki it says Ghoul…Possibly?
Which i love xD
We all took that info from the not smart character as if he’s the most knowledgeable person.
Either way whatever he becomes im eager to see.
"I am absolutely enjoying this world"
Correction: You enjoying WATCHING this world. I don't know but I would not want to live in a world even close to the Fallout universe. 😂 😂
IMO
Vault four isn't making the caviar, it was stored in the vaults storage area, this is one of the "good" vaults made for vault -tec scientists.
The current residents of four are not doing experiments on the people in the cryo tubes, they are looking after them hoping to find a way to cure them. The mutant people in vault four are the descendants of the experiments that revolted vs the scientists. IMO vault four is probably the least messed up place around.
Fusion cores are rare and valuable.
IMO Betty poisoned the raiders, the distraction they provided for Bettys election, "when things look glum vote 31".
The vaults do not communicate by design.
Luck is, in fact, its own stat in the Fallout games
When you said I love Lucy I smiled. Man I'm old. There are more frequent non feral ghouls in the games. That's screen you didn't get at 32:57 is how you hack in the game.
Did this drop early by mistake???
Nope 😌
@funnylilgalreacts Episode 8 tomorrow?
Woot on a sunday? ❤ cmon with the last one
34:55 gotcha!
For whatever it's worth there's another TH-camr, Oxhorn, that does deep dives into Flallout lore, including covering the show since it's come out. His profile on Maximus is probably the closest to my own that I've seen, and worth a watch. I feel like a lot of people have a bad read on him.
Also, yeah, Vault 4 is probably the nicest place in the wasteland, all things considered. Definitely a few oddballs, but like Birdie infers, it's a matter of perspective, and they mean well and are trying to do the right thing. I do like the bait and switch in this case of setting it up to be sinister only for it to turn out that they're actually the good guys... Happens a few times in this series, in both directions, but every one of them was so well executed that I enjoyed them all.
Just a heads up, it's pronounced Goo See.
Honestly. Vault 4 is about the best one I've ever seen. lol.
24:46 Wilzig could’ve survived 😭
34:53 🤣
The RAGE 🤣
Who is Lucy? All that stuff happened to Goosey.
You keep going on about the "Chicken F'ker Guy"... but you've known about ghouls when they are about to turn and chickens since 10 minutes into ep 1.. Q?
This show REALLY messes with your expectations. Lucy's dad isn't so great, Vault 4 isn't as bad, Vaults 31/32/33 aren't as perfect, Moldaver isn't as evil, Cooper's wife isn't as nice, etc.
Also, no spoilers but there are other things in the game that have regenerative powers besides ghouls.
This whole series is expert trolling/subversion of expectations
lol I normally cringe hearing someone saying my middle name... Thaddeus...
I need to watch this series because of Fall Out joins the crossover in Call of Duty: Warzone content & Fortnite, even tho I don’t play Fortnite all the time..
"No chemistry": I agree completely. However - between someone who has basically ever only done "cousin stuff", and someone who grew up in cult and consider it "weird" when "it pops like a pimple" ... Maybe there's not much chemistry needed? :)
I mean they are the best options available
The chickens' lover is a ghoul. With no caps to buy drugs, he was going to off himself rather than going feral.
Maybe his featherly loves are to prove himself is not feral, remember “A feral ghoul cannot abide a chicken” :D
Maximus and Lucy don't need chemistry - Lucy was going to marry a total stranger just because she was told she should - so Maximus turns out to have more of a connection with her than what is typical in the vault.
Not to mention they actually do have good chemistry. On top of their characters being perfect for each other
I do think they did well enough to show some chemistry - not perfect chemistry mind you, but they’ve already shown her having a bit of hero worship for him, and they did appear to bond over the course of their travels. He is so far perhaps THE most trustworthy person she’s seen so far (that she didn’t accidentally burn due to mistrust).
Their characters are semi-mirrors of one another - as is The Ghoul. Fundamentally good people surviving in a world that...isn't good. The Ghoul shows one consequence of what happens to people like that.
Chemistry in nothing but death and destruction wasteland is hard to come by. They have great chemistry all considering.
Facts
Fred Armisen’s comments about people not liking his music selection is a reference to fans of the game not liking one of the radio stations you can find in one of the games and complaining about it online.
Yes Radio Freedom of the minutemen, lot of people modded the music on it because its all fiddle stuff lol.
I love this 😂
In full context, once you get Radio Freedom up and running it becomes the sole way to get Minutemen radiant quests. If that's something you want to do, you end up listening to the same three fiddle songs over and over again - sometimes forever without getting what you're listening for in the first place, if the radiant system breaks (which happens with Radio Freedom often).
They somehow took the 'thanks for helping, another settlement needs our help' Preston meme and made it worse.
I guess I'm one of the few who really likes the fiddle tunes on Radio Freedom . . . maybe because I play fiddle myself.
There is a quest in FO3 to recover a violin from a vault for a woman who starts a music station of her violin music. Radio Freedom being fiddles may be a reference to that.
I think my favorite line HAS to be "I never should have trusted a doctor that smelled like that"
Honestly… You should never trust a stinky doctor lol
@@funnylilgalreacts Right...would you trust a dentist with bad teeth?
Hard to imagine that anyone on the surface doesn't actually smell bad. Like, how and where are they washing themselves and their clothes if clean water is that valuable and you'd rather drink it? Surely all of them smell to the heavens.
the finale is a banger banger, ended it perfectly can’t wait
After that you are on your own goosey😂😂😂
The lead farmers scene is an homage to "The Good, The Bad & The Ugly." If you've never seen it, check out the scene where Angel Eyes and his soon-to-be-victim share dinner together. :-)
I enjoyed seeing Erik Estrada on TV again
It took me WAY too long to place him lol.
I also saw that scene as a callout to the cabin scene in the streaming show, The Last of Us, where Joel and Ellie ended up in the Native American couple's cabin.
@@estephens13 the same. I was thinking "I know this actor...". Wanted to slap myself when I figured it out.
I hope we see him again in season 2 on a revenge hunt.
Nah. Maximus doesn't have bad luck. He has amazing luck. He has abysmal intelligence. lol
She asked him to come live with HER, not just in Vault 33. I thought her intent was pretty clear.
🤣 the way they subvert expectations in Vault 4 is so good
I had completely forgot about Eric Estrada until he popped up in the first scene has the father. He is famous for the CHiP's tv series that ran during the late '70's/early '80's.
Omg! I did not even recognise him!
It took me a moment to recognize him. I even asked myself is that Estrada? Is that Pancherello ?
I had the biggest crush on him when I was young. It was such a delight to see him in this!
I was happy to see him.
Him playing the dad of teenagers with nobody raising an eyebrow shoes how well this man has aged
Love Norm. Totally thought he was just a throw away character. Also the truth bombs they characters say. "We all are (cowards) Norm. We live in a Vault." My favorite is from episode 2 with the scientist talking to Lucy at the campfire. "You will have to adapt. The question is will you want the same things when you have become a different animal altogether." Said to Lucy but really applies to all of our main characters that are still human. And I think explains The Ghoul and why he is the way he is after all this time.
The way this show uses music to help enhance situations both dramatic and comedic continues to really impress me. When they started in with Maximus brutalizing the vault security officers to "Only You" by the Platters, I couldn't stop laughing.
Betty clearly considers Norm to be a person to be reckoned with. She hasn't/won't take him into her confidence, tho when she sees her admin computer screen she's bound to add 3+5=Norm. She keeps dropping advice to him She wouldn't waste on the standard fare Vault 33 Drones. I don't remember seeing Betty during the 33 wedding massacre. Makes you wonder???
Yeah, but Hank is a 31 guy too. I don't think they planned on letting him be taken.
Betty also set Norm up by killing the prisoners so the vault could possibly later on turn on Norm since he said “do the same to them” line at the vault meeting.
@@thebk247 I think Betty placed Norm in a position where he could 'take care of' the riders and when he didn't, she did and framed someone else.
One of the issues people seem to have with the Max and Lucy and there relationship is that it has no chemistry.
However, neither of them are wired like that. We see Lucy's mindset on relationships with her wedding. She is looking for a breeding partner and preferably a decent person. Love doesn't seem to matter.
Max has shown he has ZERO relationship experience. He is a blind puppy meeting the first girl that likes him. He is in deep shit with the Brotherhood and Lucy is the only person that hasn't betrayed him or treated him like shit.
He would literally die for her.
Sure it's not romantic, but for most of human history weddings were more transactional. Like this.
As for Thad turning ghoul... No, I didn't think he was a ghoul. Further more, I still don't. There's another possibility... but spoilers.
I guess it's just me... I saw Lucy and Maximus as googly-eyed for each other pretty much since they met. There were a few spots where it was played more for the gag, but I still never doubted they were going to end up at least kissing.
I feel like Maximus and Lucy have had chemistry since the first time they met in episode 2. You could see it in their faces back then.
I think so. Maximus is just not very expressive. And he is also kind of stupid. Nothing wrong with a low INT build... hahaha.
Same here.
YES THAT SHIRT IS 🔥
Ah I disagree, there’s chemistry… just not a lot of it, but it’s there. Max is just stunted with his emotions.
There is plenty of chemistry. In the first episode most reviewers loved the first guy at first because he was good looking. Maximus and Lucy were building all season but I can see people not seeing it. The actors showed great chemistry in interviews. They are really well casted. I think personal attraction with viewers may be a reason for not seeing it.
@@rnkelly36And I disagree with your assessment, I’m afraid. Ella Purnell had good chemistry in those interviews, as she seems to with everyone. Aaron Moten, however, was incredibly awkward in those interviews. And there were also some awkward moments between the two of them... Though part of that could be attributed to it being a press junket; he’s a pretty new actor, and wouldn’t be used to this. They had a bit more chemistry on screen, but not much. In my opinion. Even then, it felt more like friendship, than anything resembling romance, in their scenes. They may have been building up to it in the writing, but the performance still felt forced to me.
I don't know. Maybe it's that Lucy has enough chemistry for the both of them.
@@AKCFTW @@AKCFTW Yeah I would really disagree with your view. They did seem like friends and that is a good thing. There characters were written to be on similar character journeys but in opposite directions. By episode 7 I think they meet right in the middle as they should. He is a young new actor but that contrast even helps with both of their character development. Lucy is the more experienced and trained learning the world is more different than she was taught. Maximus is the child who grew up learning hard lessons never given a moment to be young and happy. Each learn from each other but Lucy is becoming more dark and Maximus is learning to be more moral. Now they are set up as two souls that need each other but may never have a chance at happiness.
One of the default player character sheets for Fallout 1 was Max Stone, who had Strength & Endurance stats of 10 but a Charisma and Intelligence of 4. Literally as dumb as a rock. I thinks this Max is a reference to that.
"this is where he starts selling out"
no that was when he started doing ads for vault-tec
I laughed so hard when my "Thad rhymes with Chad" came up! ❤😂
I, for one, am glad. “Thaydeus” was driving me up the wall.
I actually think Lucy and Maximus have great chemistry! When he agrees to live with her in 33 and they just smirk at each other with giddy excitement at living together! Plus they straight up asked to have sex with each other a few times! Lol!
She doesn't think much of Maximus's character, so it's understandable. She doesn't really want there to be chemistry.
@@Scyth0r that’s what I was thinking too!
In the ad for Vault 4 that Cooper did the scientists said they would be doing research on the effects of radiation on human beings.
Now here we go, Thadius might just become a main in the future. You got Lucy (Dorthey, naive out of place), Maximus (Tin Man, she even had to save him from not being able to move), The Ghoul (Scarecrow, ugly but clutch), then there is our cowardly knight wanna be turned Mutant (The Lion). just a thought....
You guys skipped Maximus coming clean and his apology?
I did find that interesting. The biggest turning point for his character in the whole show, giving up his Knighthood dreams for Lucy, and it didn't make the cut.
Did you say "woo doggies"? For a moment there I was blasted back in time! True though, woo doggies indeed.
Thaddeus got his foot back, but becomes a Ghoul. Life is nothing but trade offs.
Maybe a ghoul. There are some interesting competing theories, the most interesting two that I’ve heard is FEV or Lorenzo’s Mysterious Serum.
neh it was FEV
@@scivirus3563agree
Yeah I’m thinking FEV and he’s going to become something that rhymes with stoopid loot ant
A mutant cupid???
Spent bullets, they're lead farmers.
While playing Fallout 4, a dog named "Dogmeat" was my faithful companion. In a situation fighting raiders in a building, I'd moved to my right to get a target on a raider through two doorways, and some distance beyond. I didn't see what weapon she was holding until she fired... oh sh#t! Missile launcher! I tried to quickly move back to my left but was stuck. Luckily the missile hit outside the furthest doorway, causing no damage. When I looked to my left to see what was pinning me in, there was Dogmeat. While I do not condone the actions of Thaddeus and would never abandon an animal in a container, I get the joke. In my experience, the majority of times after an encounter, I'd greet Dogmeat with "Way to go!", or "Good boy!". He only occasionally tried to get me killed. To clarify the difference between game and show, Fallout 4 was set in Boston, and Dogmeat was a male German Shepherd. This series is several years after, set in Southern California and 404 is a female Belgian Malinois (even though The Ghoul, Coop refers to her as Dogmeat). 404 is certainly a callback to Dogmeat and one many of us appreciate! I've not played the other games, but evidently "Dogmeat" appears in some of the others. Although clearly they're not the same dog, as they're in different times and separate parts of the country. Dogmeat must be a common post apocalyptic name for a dog, as Rex, Fido, or Spot were in the past.
I'd say Maximus cha is pretty average, maybe a bit below, its his int that's really low. I'd say he has 1 int and 10 luck. You could even tell at the beginning he couldn't recognize a circuit, but he keeps lucking into surviving