How good was Olivia Cookes' acting in that small council scene! When she is sitting there staring at Aemond and she is realizing what he did and what's happening. The horror in her eyes! Absolutely captivating
She was never against a woman ruler. She fought for it both as a young girl (backing rhaenyra to viserys atleast 3 times) and as a adult "youll make a fine queen". Shes been heavily HEAVILY brainwashed Rhaenyra will kill her kids. Nothing more. Shes been raped, used as a brood mare, confined to a wing of a castle, seen her bff do her crush while she was having to do a rotting old man ect.
Anyone else find it interesting, that Alicent ONLY asked Cole what happened on the battlefield, and didn't ask her own brother. I know Gwayne didn't know about the original plan, but he still witnessed the dragon fight.
Cole had just called all of his men to go fight in the name of the king. I doubt anyone except Cole had their eyes skyward as they are charging at the enemy. Cole, as their commander, held back and wasn't joining the charge.
They are totally missing the point on Alicent's story. First, the close-up on her during the council meeting is to show her realizing she's losing all control and any chance to have a say on what's happening. She is done. The power she used to have was granted by Viserys, and Viserys is no longer there. She's losing power and basically she did to herself what she did first to Rhaenyra by taking part in usurping the iron throne. That's poetic justice, imho. Second, she fears Aemond because he didn't say to the Greens that Jake's death was because he lost control of Vhegar. If he did that, it would mean that he actually can't control his dragon and his standing and say would be put in doubt. He obviously lied to the Greens and told them he killed Jake on purpose. I thought that was pretty obvious...
Literally, as soon as you started talking about how they could have showed a small part of the violence against the Brackens, I started thinking about the massacre of Ollie’s village. Small moments like that really add to the realness of the world and I definitely think we could have used a few more show-don’t-tell scenes in this series from time to time. Still loving it all though! I personally don’t mind the slow psychological exploration of Daemon. I love dreams as a form of introspection in media. Can definitely understand the impatience for those sequences at this point, however.
@@yylfordt6125Well we definitely ain't russian and if you know anything about T series tanks they are alot more combustible than dragons. If you tickle the outside of a T-62 it will explode like a nuke
@marniusvanderlubbe I have ZERO knowledge about military units 😂 I heard it in a song once and realizing it was a tank by looking it up, but apparently not enough to see that it was Russian 💀
@@recoveringintrovert717 Criston says they left Sunfyte guarded, because it was long in the dying. Dying, therefore not dead. And Criston doesn't know dragon medicine, so what is his assessment worth?
@@recoveringintrovert717 it means the dragon was taking too long to die for them to wait on it before leaving. Cole assumes it will die but didn't wait and left men behind for it and to protect the castle they just took
A little pushback I’d offer: I’d argue that GRRM and D&D crafted a broader array of female characters, personality and political ambition. But when you go back and read the women depicted in a dance of dragons, you realize these women are presented not in their own voices, but painted by maesters and chroniclers who have their own biases and bigotries around female power and sovereignty. Where I think the HotD show runners are stronger than Game of Thrones, is how they are centering and grounding this story around both female subjugation and separatism (which is just a very fancy way to describe female misogyny and pink patriarchy). That being said, there are many ways and more to depict women in media, whether we’re talking about live action shows or literary heroines and villains. What I appreciate about hotd is that they explore how these systems of oppression infect and affect every aspect of our growth and development (is like Shakespeare it rhymes~). But that exploration allows for them to texture the ambiguity about recounting the past . . . which is a stranger to us. What do we really know about Rhaegar? How much did Aegon the Conqueror know about the prophecy? What brought the long night? We don’t know! But what George is always stay true to is it doesn’t matter about the past and the prophecies it breeds, it matters about what people do with the information they have or better yet the information they fabricate and facilitate to feed their own political games. I don’t think this show has hit all the marks, but I appreciate it. They’re leaning into some of the truer essence of A Song of Ice and Fire in way that we never saw in Game of Thrones.
👍👍👍 And in that sense Nerd Soup complaining about Alicent not being given a bigger rol because she was absent from the Small Council..... Guys, this IS the reallity of being a woman: all the stuff that comes with being biologically at the 'receiving' end, and the reproductive one; including birthing, miscarriage, abortion and 'just' having periods. This keeps us away from history, because society doesn't want to incorparate the way of women. Guys, you are smarter than this!
Rhanerya has not been half the character since they switched actors imo. Not saying the acting is bad, far from it. They just haven't made her very interesting
Nah I like the change of pace and always dig the more fantastical/magical elements in the GoT verse. The witch is just trolling Daemon at this point and I'm here for it 😂
I am taking the visions as a method for Daemon to understand Aemond more than Daemon himself. Aemond we know has mommy issues, is willing to kill his kin to take the throne. I just see it as a way to get Daemon into Aemond's head.
Maybe I’m dumb 🥴 but daemon asked that lord to do stuff that the crown can’t be caught doing so why would they do the bad things with the Targaryen banners up? In what way is that covert or going to be taken any other way?
Which side team green or team black is like saying hey do you like all the bad guys and a mean idiot on the throne, Or... The compassionate well educated Queen who has a compassionate and well educated heir but has one questionable dude on her side--kinda. Daemon seems to be king of Harrenhal now lol.
because my self-loathing knows no bounds, I'm going to be that guy: Liam Cunningham is Irish, but in Game Of Thrones he's doing a Geordie accent. I have no idea why, but I've always loved it lol
I thought the small council scene was less about Alicent feeling like she deserved it and more of her being scared of what may happen with Aemond on the throne because she knows her son.
It was a good episode, slower obviously, considering the amazing events of Ep.4. Pushed the story forward, but of course too many low vibrational people found the episode slow and boring.
i think alicent is really sympathetic tbh she is a horrible motger im not saying shes not but i can see what got her there and why she is doing what she is doing
I agree in that they've made rhaenyratoo perfect and Alicent too passive. However, I just don't see It remaining that way for the entirety of the show. Does anyone else feel the same? I feel they are going to or are building to that point where Rhaenyra snaps and we start to see the fire.
@@shelbyjeffery8642 and targs have purple eyes... I know he wears it in the books but TV is a visual medium and the fact that he wears it in the books gives them cover for not showing it off more in the show bc budget. Plus when it is shown, it has impact but mainly I think it's for the same reason they don't do purple eyes
With them choosing not to reflect Helaena’s mental health decline in the show makes me think they’re going to make it a part of Aemond’s villain arc to kill her by throwing her off of a ledge and then have it be explained away by the maesters as suicide.
I thought that the smallfolk character reacting to meleys’ head shouted “rhaenrya will have an answer for this” Was meant to convey their disgust and that they want rhaenrya to clap back
Aemond is a kinslayer. It’s the worst crime to ever exist in Westeros. Kinda weird as people who read the books that you think that Aemond is just fine.
Super good Review! And im like Beau crushing over Olivia and Fabien Frankel... 48:36 i didnt underst. "the nervous / Chill thing with Aaron" He hate Criston Cole or what? 🤔
Yeah I think making Aegon a rapist was a mistake, especially if your marketing campaign is going to be like, “pick a side! Black or green?!”. Like hmm who do I possibly choose? Especially this season, Aegon has been the most entertaining of the bunch. I could have got behind him fuck it.
"I did not think they would be so eager to die." -Daemon 😆😆 I thought he had fried them. Is "do war crimes" the new way to say that crimes were committed?
Can't believe I'm saying this, but people need to chill-the-f-out about Aegon doing that you-know-what to those serving girls. If you think that ANYONE of any significance in Westeros gives two craps about that, I have a bridge in Brooklyn for sale. This is not just the premodern world (where consent from females was required pretty much never, with very very few exceptions), it's the Freaking middle ages. Open a damn history book and look up how many `good` kings/princes/emperors either were totally faithful or suffered ANY consequences for non-consenting with someone in bed. The former is almost zero, and the latter as far as I can think of is LITERALLY zero. If you want to shudder, look up how most chinese `heavenly sovereigns` treated their wives and mistresses, let alone those they considered socially inferior. Spoiler alert, Aegon II would be in like the top 1 to 5 percent amongst them. And not as in worst, but among the best. He for example is kind enough to not murder any husband whose wive/daughter he fancies and then killing her and her remaining family once he gets bored with his fun and moves on. Yes. And That is one of the milder things that happened en masse. Look it up, I dare you. It's purely something they put in there to make Aegon less likeable to a modern audience, which is fine, but what to us looks like a done deal is very much not to the in-universe people in power. If ANY poll or review done to an audience of this show results in a 50-50 split support between black and green, there either should be a 95-5 split on screen in favour of the greens, given the patriarchy as it exists in-universe would be ridiculously tilted in favour of the male claimant, OR the group that produced that result better have their voting rights taken away immediately, since they've literally got a medieval sense of morality and gender roles, and are imho therefore a blight upon this Earth today. By making Aegon otherwise less hateable and giving him more redeeming qualities (again, nobody in-universe gives a damn about that you-know-what aspect to him besides the girl herself and her immediate family, who are beyond powerless), they've forced themselves to make Rhaenyra near-perfect to make it credible why half the realm would side with her over a male claimant. Which is fine, it works and it gives the audience a clear side to root for, rather than two utterly dispicable camps to root mostly against, but it does mean that it's gonna be a pretty damn depressing downward slope towars the end of the story, and many people are gonna be mightily unsatisfied with the final result of the dance, unless the writers have got the guts to drastically change that (though THAT would cause such an uproar from the book fans that I'm bascially certain it won't happen). It can still be wrapped up nicely, it'll just be more difficult and nihilistic, but we shall see. Can't say any more than that without going into spoilers.
@@dino-id8yb off course it is. And (get ready to faint) it. is. bad. And Aegon is a horrible pos because of it. If you got the impression that I was suggesting otherwise then my apologies, that's not what I meant What I'm saying is don't expect anybody of significance in-universe to give a damn about it. And that by putting something that a modern audience (hopefully) is disgusted by in Aegon's character, they're really undercutting the supposed 'balance' that they pretend exists between the two sides for the audience. For the people of Westeros? Yeah, sure, it's an actual question. But for the viewers? Unless you're ok with grape, (in which case, ew, go away) there's absolutely no question who we should root for. It just feels like another unforced error from season 1 that their marketing tries to pretend doesn't exist now, which is annoying. You can't pretend like whether the blacks or the greens are better is an actual debate to have when what you've shown very very clearly makes one side out to be flawed but good, and the other side bad. It feels forced, which frustrates me to no end. Making Aegon be that was a conscious choice on their part, and to then pretend like any viewers might/should support him despite it feels just wrong and unserious.
@shockwave1126 I think Alice is the main hallucination. Just the look of her gives off a ghostly figure. Anytime someone enters a room that Alice and Damon are in, they give this look of confusion, like they are trying to figure out who Damon is talking to. They never look directly at her either. Remember the description of the ghost at harrenhal. Alice is one of them. She is not really there. Damon is going crazy.
I feel like Daemon keeps leaving things ambigeous not because he intends these horrible atrocities, but has such a terrible reputation that people keep interpreting his lines to be the worst thing possible. As such, Deamon was just telling Willem to get his member game up but Willem interpreted it as go absolutely tear the Brakons to shreds.
@@pstratos7 naw he’s definitely the worst. He’s one letter away from Demon for a reason. I just think it’s a funny thought that Daemon could be interpreted as worse than he anticipated. Then, doing the same as Aemon, sticking to the horrors committed in his name just because he’s to egotistical to take an L
@@louisamay9615 “show them your worst.” sounds like a childish line without much thought into the consequences. On rewatch you’re right. I just think this train of thought is what the show runners were going for, but failed to do as per the line reading.
Ya know… I owe y’all an apology. I was critical of the “tone” in the pods lately but as the bs season has “progressed” and by that I just mean episodes are airing….. I get it!! They’re not giving anyone anything to get excited about. Clearly trying to stretch this show five seasons instead of having 3 of straight piff
Show is starting to suck they want the men to seem like idiots and the woman to be beaten down by them. Dameon doesn’t want the thrown and has always protected Rhanera now it’s all he wants is to be king. Bad storytelling and I have come to expect it.
The huge mistake of making Meleys kill hundreds of commoners just got even bigger. The common folks should be cheering for the king slaying the dragon that killed their friends and relatives. Also really wish they hadn't made Aegon as cruel and vile that they did in S1. So the series hurts from previous mistakes but it continues to be really good. These setup episodes are necessary for the bigger payoffs and it's natural after a battle episode from last week.
No, in the books the smallfolk are not cheering either. They are smart enough to understand that when dragons start dropping, Kings Landing is ripe for retaliation dragon fire. It doesn't have so much to do with who the dragons and more about what it stands for: if they don't flee and hide, they're fucked. Which is why they tried to leave and get locked in.
I've seen similar comments to this and I just don't quite understand it. Can 2 things not be true at once? Yes, Meleys and rhaenys killed a couple 100 small folk and I'm sure those families would be aggrieved. However, there are many more people in kings landing who weren't affected that would still hold the dragon in high regard. Meleys has decades upon decades of reputation in westeros. Btw, all the small folk are saying is that its a bad omen for house Targaryen to cut down their own sigil. Which is true regardless if they were affected by meleys escaping the dragon pit or not. Really don't see the issue here.
Who up nerding they soup?
Who’s souping up their nerds?
Not me, I prefer souping my nerd.
@@u.k6547goddamn you beat me to it
Up nerd me to soup heaven baby!
Hmmm, good soup 🍜
Cole getting PTSD after realizing how insignificant he is as a knight when dragons are involved
No graphics, still watch the screen
Lol 😆
maniac
i miss the stickfigure animations
I can't help it
@@caruzo9631those were fun I bet they were pricey tho
Jace glow up continues
He's so damn fine. I hope he gets a lot of screen time before next season...hell stretch it out to 2 more seasons. sigh
his character boring af tho
Ben stiller you mean?
@@michaelrussell7806 he's terrible
Walmart brand timothee Chalamet
How good was Olivia Cookes' acting in that small council scene! When she is sitting there staring at Aemond and she is realizing what he did and what's happening. The horror in her eyes! Absolutely captivating
i’m saying she is sooooo good at acting it’s amazing
During the “Alicent screwed over“ shot I shouted at the screen “ you didn’t think the leopards would eat YOUR face did you?”
She was never against a woman ruler. She fought for it both as a young girl (backing rhaenyra to viserys atleast 3 times) and as a adult "youll make a fine queen". Shes been heavily HEAVILY brainwashed Rhaenyra will kill her kids. Nothing more. Shes been raped, used as a brood mare, confined to a wing of a castle, seen her bff do her crush while she was having to do a rotting old man ect.
Anyone else find it interesting, that Alicent ONLY asked Cole what happened on the battlefield, and didn't ask her own brother. I know Gwayne didn't know about the original plan, but he still witnessed the dragon fight.
Seems more like a writing oversight tbh.
Alicent don’t give a shit about gwayne, would be pointless to show her asking about that
G- Wayne definitely headed to the first pub and got blasted as soon as they got back to kings landing
Cole had just called all of his men to go fight in the name of the king. I doubt anyone except Cole had their eyes skyward as they are charging at the enemy. Cole, as their commander, held back and wasn't joining the charge.
They are totally missing the point on Alicent's story.
First, the close-up on her during the council meeting is to show her realizing she's losing all control and any chance to have a say on what's happening. She is done. The power she used to have was granted by Viserys, and Viserys is no longer there.
She's losing power and basically she did to herself what she did first to Rhaenyra by taking part in usurping the iron throne. That's poetic justice, imho.
Second, she fears Aemond because he didn't say to the Greens that Jake's death was because he lost control of Vhegar. If he did that, it would mean that he actually can't control his dragon and his standing and say would be put in doubt. He obviously lied to the Greens and told them he killed Jake on purpose. I thought that was pretty obvious...
did beau ever explain his name change?
i second this comment
Lmk
His dom is making him do it.
I honestly thought that when Daemon had the Wink Wink talk with the Balckwood Lord, he meant for him to actually go and seduce the Bracken Lord.
Literally, as soon as you started talking about how they could have showed a small part of the violence against the Brackens, I started thinking about the massacre of Ollie’s village. Small moments like that really add to the realness of the world and I definitely think we could have used a few more show-don’t-tell scenes in this series from time to time.
Still loving it all though! I personally don’t mind the slow psychological exploration of Daemon. I love dreams as a form of introspection in media. Can definitely understand the impatience for those sequences at this point, however.
At least we can watch this amazing show as our country tears itself apart
House of the Bald Eagle
@@yylfordt6125 I think our dragon would be an A-10
@marniusvanderlubbe I was thinking a T-62 😂 but an A-10 is more Book accurate
@@yylfordt6125Well we definitely ain't russian and if you know anything about T series tanks they are alot more combustible than dragons. If you tickle the outside of a T-62 it will explode like a nuke
@marniusvanderlubbe I have ZERO knowledge about military units 😂 I heard it in a song once and realizing it was a tank by looking it up, but apparently not enough to see that it was Russian 💀
FYI "long in the dying" does not mean dead
What else could it mean? Explain. Pretty sure the dragon is dead
@@recoveringintrovert717 Criston says they left Sunfyte guarded, because it was long in the dying. Dying, therefore not dead. And Criston doesn't know dragon medicine, so what is his assessment worth?
@@recoveringintrovert717it just means the dragon was taking a long time to die. Maybe it never did.
@@recoveringintrovert717 it means the dragon was taking too long to die for them to wait on it before leaving. Cole assumes it will die but didn't wait and left men behind for it and to protect the castle they just took
A little pushback I’d offer: I’d argue that GRRM and D&D crafted a broader array of female characters, personality and political ambition. But when you go back and read the women depicted in a dance of dragons, you realize these women are presented not in their own voices, but painted by maesters and chroniclers who have their own biases and bigotries around female power and sovereignty.
Where I think the HotD show runners are stronger than Game of Thrones, is how they are centering and grounding this story around both female subjugation and separatism (which is just a very fancy way to describe female misogyny and pink patriarchy). That being said, there are many ways and more to depict women in media, whether we’re talking about live action shows or literary heroines and villains. What I appreciate about hotd is that they explore how these systems of oppression infect and affect every aspect of our growth and development (is like Shakespeare it rhymes~). But that exploration allows for them to texture the ambiguity about recounting the past . . . which is a stranger to us. What do we really know about Rhaegar? How much did Aegon the Conqueror know about the prophecy? What brought the long night? We don’t know! But what George is always stay true to is it doesn’t matter about the past and the prophecies it breeds, it matters about what people do with the information they have or better yet the information they fabricate and facilitate to feed their own political games. I don’t think this show has hit all the marks, but I appreciate it.
They’re leaning into some of the truer essence of A Song of Ice and Fire in way that we never saw in Game of Thrones.
👍👍👍 And in that sense Nerd Soup complaining about Alicent not being given a bigger rol because she was absent from the Small Council..... Guys, this IS the reallity of being a woman: all the stuff that comes with being biologically at the 'receiving' end, and the reproductive one; including birthing, miscarriage, abortion and 'just' having periods. This keeps us away from history, because society doesn't want to incorparate the way of women.
Guys, you are smarter than this!
Well said!
im okay, just got home from work, it poured on the jobsite so im glad to be dry. thanks for asking man.
Surely an owner- less dog in a starving city is the first thing at the bottom of a bowl of brown. Surely.
Whyyy nooo
Liam Cunningham is an Irish actor, but he plays Davos with a Geordie (Northern England) accent.
I literally check your page hourly for these - thanks!
22:54 guys says "Rhaenyra will answer this", not "FOR this", so I took it more like they're afraid of Rhaenyras retribution
Rhanerya has not been half the character since they switched actors imo. Not saying the acting is bad, far from it. They just haven't made her very interesting
agreed i personally think milly,paddy and rhys carried this show their absence is definitely felt. emma is still a great actress regardless
I threw my soup at the wall because I thought it was trying to scare me
Kinda tired of Daemon the dreamer tho. Is anyone else?
Ya me too personally. It reads like an inside the episode tbh. His motivations are jjst explictely stated repeatedly.
Nah I like the change of pace and always dig the more fantastical/magical elements in the GoT verse. The witch is just trolling Daemon at this point and I'm here for it 😂
They're some of my favorite parts. I love analyzing the dreams of a complex character
Yes, let’s move on!!
I see it as a way to explain why he grows and develops instead of just suddenly being on Rhaenyra's side out of nowhere later.
Hopefully Rhaenerya and daemon are going to finally do something next episode
Vhagar is just prime shaq
It's funny that you said the scene didn't feel real because one content creator said it seemed like a dream sequence.
We need a spin off of just Haelena as she goes through her day. Id watch it
I am taking the visions as a method for Daemon to understand Aemond more than Daemon himself. Aemond we know has mommy issues, is willing to kill his kin to take the throne. I just see it as a way to get Daemon into Aemond's head.
This is a good take.
Daemon already has all of those issues…
How long do I have to be a patron before I can get my name on the thank board at the end 😅
The river lords part may have been a dream. They wouldn’t have known it was his idea for blood and cheese. Right?
Weird how no one has yet interacted with Alys except Daemon, what if she's not even really there?
This is interesting, in the first scene upon his arrival everyone in the room kneels but she just walks in and looks at him while standing
I’ve been watching and last episode, Simon looked right at her as she left the room like he didn’t know who she was 🤔
They have to lock the gates and keep the small folk in kings landing, otherwise Rhaenyra would just burn it down since there would be no casualties.
Aemond is basically scar with white hair and a dragon
Maybe I’m dumb 🥴 but daemon asked that lord to do stuff that the crown can’t be caught doing so why would they do the bad things with the Targaryen banners up? In what way is that covert or going to be taken any other way?
Which side team green or team black is like saying hey do you like all the bad guys and a mean idiot on the throne, Or... The compassionate well educated Queen who has a compassionate and well educated heir but has one questionable dude on her side--kinda. Daemon seems to be king of Harrenhal now lol.
ir more like do you like complex kinda evil 3d characters with an interesting council or flat well intentioned 2d character who have a boring council
Would love to see a Criston Cole do a
Michael Coreleone if he finds out Alicent took that moon tea
silly on my part but would love to see it
because my self-loathing knows no bounds, I'm going to be that guy: Liam Cunningham is Irish, but in Game Of Thrones he's doing a Geordie accent. I have no idea why, but I've always loved it lol
Jace served face alright
For a season that only has 8 episodes and took 2 years to produce, there sure are a ton of filler scenes.
I thought the small council scene was less about Alicent feeling like she deserved it and more of her being scared of what may happen with Aemond on the throne because she knows her son.
It was a good episode, slower obviously, considering the amazing events of Ep.4. Pushed the story forward, but of course too many low vibrational people found the episode slow and boring.
Daemon just wants off the acid trip ride. He’s had his fill
We were ready to support Rhaenyra’s war crimes this season, and she has yet to war crime.
she has yet to do anything of any significance really not sure why they keep dragging the beef between her and the small council
Ironically this is the least nerdy House of the Dragon podcast out there 😂 I watch all of them and this one is the one I wait for to come out
i think alicent is really sympathetic tbh she is a horrible motger im not saying shes not but i can see what got her there and why she is doing what she is doing
I do also. I find her well-written and realistic. We don't have to like her. As long as we understand her
I agree.
And this isn’t “all her fault.” The men around her all plotted to usurp the throne with or without her support.
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Im over team Black. Way to many Ls and war crimes. If im any team I'm Simon Strong. The "alright man, whatever" team
I think the point of the show is that it shouldn’t be about “I’m rooting for this team vs that team”
"Boo Soup" I'm not okay, I'm terrified...😂
I'm not here for the Alyssa Targaryen slander.
I miss Otto 😢
its not Harrenhal, the castle, that the Freys covet. its the incomes from the lands - the cashflow Larys Strong commands.
Yo straight up, my boy G-Wayne always keeping it real. He always speak the truth like frfr
I agree in that they've made rhaenyratoo perfect and Alicent too passive. However, I just don't see It remaining that way for the entirety of the show.
Does anyone else feel the same? I feel they are going to or are building to that point where Rhaenyra snaps and we start to see the fire.
it’s giving dany deja vu
*Alfred Broome not Arthur
Why does he wear the eye patch? Wouldn't he want to show off the sapphire?
You would think, but it seems he only shows it when he wants to threatening or he's being vulnerable
Budget... that's the easier cut when managing budget as opposed to dragon activity
@@aplusrecommends9406he wore the eye patch in the books as well
@@shelbyjeffery8642 and targs have purple eyes... I know he wears it in the books but TV is a visual medium and the fact that he wears it in the books gives them cover for not showing it off more in the show bc budget. Plus when it is shown, it has impact but mainly I think it's for the same reason they don't do purple eyes
Someone on another channel said Kristen has post-traumatic stress dragon disorder.
With them choosing not to reflect Helaena’s mental health decline in the show makes me think they’re going to make it a part of Aemond’s villain arc to kill her by throwing her off of a ledge and then have it be explained away by the maesters as suicide.
I thought that the smallfolk character reacting to meleys’ head shouted “rhaenrya will have an answer for this”
Was meant to convey their disgust and that they want rhaenrya to clap back
Daemon needs a co-signer
Parading Meleys' plants the seeds for the small folk that dragons can be killed and foreshadows what's to come
Aemond is a kinslayer. It’s the worst crime to ever exist in Westeros. Kinda weird as people who read the books that you think that Aemond is just fine.
Super good Review! And im like Beau crushing over Olivia and Fabien Frankel... 48:36 i didnt underst. "the nervous / Chill thing with Aaron" He hate Criston Cole or what? 🤔
Maybe we can get a revisit on King V's rule? No war, small folk eating good, pain in the ass petty family...2 out of 3.
fucking love nerdsoup podcast. nerdsoup podcast by day all night!!
Another powerful installment of the house of soup!
British children do say 'mummy' (but not mommy)
I think the point of parading Meleys through the streets was to take the attention off Aegon’s body behind her.
Simon reminds me EXACTLY of Nathan Shelly from "Ted Lasso" 😂 he acts kinda timid and frail like him, and they even look similair 🤣
Where is the Teddy?! Lol I love y'all though. The only reviewers I actually listen to completely
Great episode. Book readers ate good after this one
Miss the graphics 😂
Ngl I really miss the animation 😭
My adhd struggles to just listen
“It just feels so scripted” as if, as if the show id scripted. Literally all those scenes r great
oh brother 🤦🏻♂️
Media is already a plural. It is the plural of "medium" btw. Not important... only a fraction of people use media as a plural anymore anyway.
Yeah I think making Aegon a rapist was a mistake, especially if your marketing campaign is going to be like, “pick a side! Black or green?!”. Like hmm who do I possibly choose? Especially this season, Aegon has been the most entertaining of the bunch. I could have got behind him fuck it.
"I did not think they would be so eager to die." -Daemon 😆😆 I thought he had fried them.
Is "do war crimes" the new way to say that crimes were committed?
Can't believe I'm saying this, but people need to chill-the-f-out about Aegon doing that you-know-what to those serving girls. If you think that ANYONE of any significance in Westeros gives two craps about that, I have a bridge in Brooklyn for sale. This is not just the premodern world (where consent from females was required pretty much never, with very very few exceptions), it's the Freaking middle ages. Open a damn history book and look up how many `good` kings/princes/emperors either were totally faithful or suffered ANY consequences for non-consenting with someone in bed. The former is almost zero, and the latter as far as I can think of is LITERALLY zero. If you want to shudder, look up how most chinese `heavenly sovereigns` treated their wives and mistresses, let alone those they considered socially inferior. Spoiler alert, Aegon II would be in like the top 1 to 5 percent amongst them. And not as in worst, but among the best. He for example is kind enough to not murder any husband whose wive/daughter he fancies and then killing her and her remaining family once he gets bored with his fun and moves on. Yes. And That is one of the milder things that happened en masse. Look it up, I dare you.
It's purely something they put in there to make Aegon less likeable to a modern audience, which is fine, but what to us looks like a done deal is very much not to the in-universe people in power. If ANY poll or review done to an audience of this show results in a 50-50 split support between black and green, there either should be a 95-5 split on screen in favour of the greens, given the patriarchy as it exists in-universe would be ridiculously tilted in favour of the male claimant, OR the group that produced that result better have their voting rights taken away immediately, since they've literally got a medieval sense of morality and gender roles, and are imho therefore a blight upon this Earth today.
By making Aegon otherwise less hateable and giving him more redeeming qualities (again, nobody in-universe gives a damn about that you-know-what aspect to him besides the girl herself and her immediate family, who are beyond powerless), they've forced themselves to make Rhaenyra near-perfect to make it credible why half the realm would side with her over a male claimant. Which is fine, it works and it gives the audience a clear side to root for, rather than two utterly dispicable camps to root mostly against, but it does mean that it's gonna be a pretty damn depressing downward slope towars the end of the story, and many people are gonna be mightily unsatisfied with the final result of the dance, unless the writers have got the guts to drastically change that (though THAT would cause such an uproar from the book fans that I'm bascially certain it won't happen). It can still be wrapped up nicely, it'll just be more difficult and nihilistic, but we shall see. Can't say any more than that without going into spoilers.
This was a strange take.
sorry grape is grape
@@dino-id8yb off course it is. And (get ready to faint) it. is. bad. And Aegon is a horrible pos because of it. If you got the impression that I was suggesting otherwise then my apologies, that's not what I meant
What I'm saying is don't expect anybody of significance in-universe to give a damn about it. And that by putting something that a modern audience (hopefully) is disgusted by in Aegon's character, they're really undercutting the supposed 'balance' that they pretend exists between the two sides for the audience. For the people of Westeros? Yeah, sure, it's an actual question. But for the viewers? Unless you're ok with grape, (in which case, ew, go away) there's absolutely no question who we should root for. It just feels like another unforced error from season 1 that their marketing tries to pretend doesn't exist now, which is annoying. You can't pretend like whether the blacks or the greens are better is an actual debate to have when what you've shown very very clearly makes one side out to be flawed but good, and the other side bad. It feels forced, which frustrates me to no end. Making Aegon be that was a conscious choice on their part, and to then pretend like any viewers might/should support him despite it feels just wrong and unserious.
Watch the episode again with the perspective that only Damon is able to see Alice.
I wonder about that and how much are the scenes hal
Are hallucinations.
@shockwave1126 I think Alice is the main hallucination. Just the look of her gives off a ghostly figure. Anytime someone enters a room that Alice and Damon are in, they give this look of confusion, like they are trying to figure out who Damon is talking to. They never look directly at her either. Remember the description of the ghost at harrenhal. Alice is one of them. She is not really there. Damon is going crazy.
She was mentioned by name in the latest episode, she isnt a hallucination
I feel like Daemon keeps leaving things ambigeous not because he intends these horrible atrocities, but has such a terrible reputation that people keep interpreting his lines to be the worst thing possible. As such, Deamon was just telling Willem to get his member game up but Willem interpreted it as go absolutely tear the Brakons to shreds.
He said "do your worst" he knew exactly what he was ordering. He just didn't want his own banners being used.
I feel like you just want that to be true, because daemon is a compelling character lol. He’s pretty unambiguously evil.
@@pstratos7 naw he’s definitely the worst. He’s one letter away from Demon for a reason. I just think it’s a funny thought that Daemon could be interpreted as worse than he anticipated. Then, doing the same as Aemon, sticking to the horrors committed in his name just because he’s to egotistical to take an L
@@louisamay9615 “show them your worst.” sounds like a childish line without much thought into the consequences. On rewatch you’re right. I just think this train of thought is what the show runners were going for, but failed to do as per the line reading.
Ya know… I owe y’all an apology. I was critical of the “tone” in the pods lately but as the bs season has “progressed” and by that I just mean episodes are airing….. I get it!! They’re not giving anyone anything to get excited about. Clearly trying to stretch this show five seasons instead of having 3 of straight piff
If feels good souping my nerd 😮💨😌
These taking longer and longer to come out.
Jace the face. Hes hot as hell. Be can jut out his chisled jaw as much as he wants. Mr glow up.
Not related but I miss the animation while u talk😂
43:37 great pun
Love me some nerd soup
Average? What are you talking about? Best episode so far.
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Lol romance? There's no romance. She's torturing him. Everything she's going through is because of her. She actually becomes Aemonds side piece
Show is starting to suck they want the men to seem like idiots and the woman to be beaten down by them. Dameon doesn’t want the thrown and has always protected Rhanera now it’s all he wants is to be king. Bad storytelling and I have come to expect it.
vhagar=giannis they dont want that smoke lol
Nobody can bowl a potato quite like your mother!
i’m excited for this 🙃🙃
Alicent lost the Pick-Me-lympics!!!
The huge mistake of making Meleys kill hundreds of commoners just got even bigger. The common folks should be cheering for the king slaying the dragon that killed their friends and relatives.
Also really wish they hadn't made Aegon as cruel and vile that they did in S1.
So the series hurts from previous mistakes but it continues to be really good. These setup episodes are necessary for the bigger payoffs and it's natural after a battle episode from last week.
No, in the books the smallfolk are not cheering either. They are smart enough to understand that when dragons start dropping, Kings Landing is ripe for retaliation dragon fire. It doesn't have so much to do with who the dragons and more about what it stands for: if they don't flee and hide, they're fucked. Which is why they tried to leave and get locked in.
I've seen similar comments to this and I just don't quite understand it.
Can 2 things not be true at once? Yes, Meleys and rhaenys killed a couple 100 small folk and I'm sure those families would be aggrieved. However, there are many more people in kings landing who weren't affected that would still hold the dragon in high regard. Meleys has decades upon decades of reputation in westeros.
Btw, all the small folk are saying is that its a bad omen for house Targaryen to cut down their own sigil. Which is true regardless if they were affected by meleys escaping the dragon pit or not.
Really don't see the issue here.
Gave me a scare
Jace is mewing!!!!
Face off 😂😂
Dragon soup!
Wooo!!
Idk why but these guys sound so hot to me. Anyways.
JD Vance, another far right extremist🤷🏻♂️