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let's learn how dragons multiply haha
if there's enough interest i might release a highlights reel of my full watchthrough of TVSins' HOTD coverage but i have so much other stuff to be doing you know so idk. also it was a year ago.
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Autism Dragon Numbers is the name of my in the works autobiography
LOL I came here to say that 'describe my life in 3 words' is Autism Dragon Numbers
😂 I feel so seen and so called out at the same time
@@laurelsilberman5705 Same. Very hard same.
Dance of the Dragons in a nutshell:
"7 is bigger than 3" vs "Why does Vhagar the bigger dragon not simply eat the smaller dragons."
To be fair, Vhagar did try to eat Arrax
@@DuckSwagington she didnt try, she did it
@@joaogabriellimadoria2971did people skip the final episode of the season? My mom was tripping when I tried to bring up that scene to her as well.
Why does everyone forget the ending? It’s really good.
@@misanthropicservitorofmars2116 To be fair, she was probably waiting for the Blisstake
Neurodiversity moment
Thank god, I was in dire need of autistic dragon maths.
If Daeron’s dragon is also invisible that’s kinda op
I mean it could be invisible we have never seen it so
Is Tessarion secretly a Night Fury?
@@Fmc_Devilhey! He gets the joke......I think
@@davidm2031 I didn’t see a joke
Gliddy has just unlocked the "GRRM" level in his Procrastination Skill Tree.
I'm so proud of him.
I actually appreciate that this video had visual comparisons between dragons because it made me realize that Vermithor and Caraxes are pretty big, Vhagar and Balerion (his skull) are IMMENSE.
Also the thing about Dreamfyre iirc, is that Rhaena died before Viserys ascended, so if Dreamfyre didn't have a rider until Helaena, she might have been chained under the dragon pit for 20 or so years, which might explain why she isn't very big.
THAT'S HORIBLE, poor dragon T_T
20 years is a very long time.
If we use book numbers:
Rhaena Targaryen, who rode her often, died at Harrenhal in 73AC. Dreamfyre made her lair in the Dragonpit until Helaena claimed her at age 11, or in 120AC (May be different in HOTD)
Between 73AC and 120AC, Dreamfyre stayed in the Dragonpit chained up for 47 YEARS!
No wonder she is nowhere as big as Vermithor, who was ridden regularly and lived on Dragonstone unchained.
@@harrysmith7342 this just keeps getting worse, poor her
Dreamfyre is 100 years old so she is only slightly bigger than Caraaxes and Melys who both 75 years old because of her confinement she pales in size to Vermithor and Silverwing despite being older than both of them, Vermithor is 95 years old and the third largest dragon alive behind The Cannibal who is the second largest and second oldest dragon alive and is well over 100 years old although his exact age is unknown and Vhagar is the largest and oldest dragon alive at 181 years old and Silverwing is 90 years old. So Dreamfyre is the third oldest dragon alive and the fifth largest dragon alive.
15 seconds of a guy saying something slightly incorrect = 20 minute video quantifying the ages of made of creatures.
I'm so proud of my fellow autistics.
and after reading all these comments i'm pretty determined to make a follow-up to set the record straight
We should add an additional multiplier for 'real world' combat experience. In addition to the massive size advantage of Vhegar there are also all those years of flash broiling Dorne to consider. Of course the Cannibal committing actual dragon-on-dragon violence probably needs a few extra side ticks as well.
And Caraxes (& in the show, Seasmoke) also has veteran battle-dragon status- not just the War in the Stepstones as in the show, but earlier conflict^ -- size is an issue of advantage, but the Blacks have *more* combat experience dragons; Vermithor, though unclaimed currently- has been ridden in battle^
Vhagar may be the biggest, oldest, & most experienced in combat -- but I believe the war will illustrate that there are battles that won't be won solely on that fact...
Realistically I don’t think size doesn’t even matter too much. If Meleys is supposedly the fastest dragon, and Caraxes also seems faster and more nimble than Vhagar then I don’t see Vhagar having a good chance in a 2 v 1.
In the air weight doesn’t matter so much and both Meleys and Caraxes could seriously injure/kill Vhagar if the angle of attack is right. And the faster/ more nimble dragons would probably have an easier time dictating the angle of attack.
It probably boils down to a dragon on dragon dog fight where the situation and positioning would matter more than size.
There a countless videos of falcons completely destroying birds like albatrosses multiple times their size.
I’d say Dreamfyre is equal to Meleys. She’s described as not bred for war, with a slender frame. During the black council they say “and ours are larger except for Vhagar for dragons grow best on Dragonstone”. Only Vhagar is bigger than the blacks dragons, not Dreamfyre. She must be the size of Meleys and Caraxes despite their 30 year age gap. She’s a notorious egg layer that has been chained in the pit longer than any other dragon. We also know that both Vermithor and Silverwing surpassed her in size despite being hatched around a decade later.
Sunfyre wasn’t a cradle egg. He was claimed by Aegon on Dragonstones volcano which suggest he was already at a riding size. He had to have been at least a decade old when Aegon claimed him. Meaning he could potentially be Syrax’s size. It would be a nice parallel to make Syrax and Sunfyre brother and sister.
I think syrax and sunfyre hatched from Silverwing's eggs, both of them look similar in shape especially the tails.
@@arslanakhter3034it won’t surprise me
I just got this vision of Dreamfyre looking bored in the Dragonpit and just popping out eggs to stay amused.
"that was fun but actually i wanna be a bit more thorough with that" is my ND catchphrase
I beg you to upload all the Tv sins vods!!!
They’re low hanging fruit but it is fun to watch!
I cheered when you gave cannibal a 10. My precious grumpy boy
Yes... that is what I would call a maniac cannibal as well...
If it makes you feel any better Glimbus I think it’s canonical that dragons have irregular growth rates from individual to individual.
Iirc in Fire and Blood they mention that Vhagar is actually smaller than Merexas at the time of the conquest despite being a bit older.
Vermathor’s size also kind of defies explanation. He’s not the oldest post conquest dragon, but by the time of the dance he is consistently described as the second largest after Vhagar. No such similar distinction is made for the similarly aged Silverwing, or Dreamfyre and he seems to have attained this size in spite of likely spending a fair amount of time held in some form of captivity.
TLDR: dragon growth rates seem to defy most rational explanations or categorization.
We don't have as much written about Vermathor but he can probably be compared to Dany's dragons and especially Drogon who grows even by the standard of other fast growing dragons extremely quickly
Dragons do not exist😢
@@thedelacruz say it isn’t so 😱
Its probably based on several factors: age, diet and riders.
A dragon that is ridden by a warrior who takes them into battle regularly and feasts on the best meats is likely going to get bigger then one who is used primarily for transport only.
Might also explain Dany's dragons later on - they are used for combat very early into their lives and actually get to eat people. Drogon becomes the biggest because he got to roam freely, gorging on whatever he wanted, while his brothers (siblings? Dragon gender is a bit vague sometimes) were chained down and only ate what they were given until being freed. Presumably once at Dragonstone they hunted extensively, rapidly becoming giant. By the time they went to the North they were all vastly larger then Drogon was when Dany first started riding him, rivalling the size of the old dragons of the past despite only being a few years old.
Oh, and they are magic made flesh. So logic doesn't need to apply.
No they don't. Vhagar and Meraxes are never compared in age. All the books state that the two dragons were younger than Balerion and hatched on Dragonstone. There is nothing else. I don't understand where you people draw these conclusions from? Certainly you don't think older dragons goes to older siblings? There are multiple contradictions to that. Vhagar was alive over 20 years before Visenya was born, as Vhagar was directly stated to be 181 when she died, meaning she was born in 51 -52 BC. Visenya was 27 at the start of the Conquest in 2 BC.
Dreamfyre was claimed as a hatchling by a 9 year old Rhaena, and ridden by her 3 years later in 34 AC when Rhaena was 12, the same year Jaehaerys was born and she supposedly gave Vermithor's egg to him. That's a 3 - 4 year minimum age gap between Vermithor and Dreamfyre. That is an absolutely insignificant amount of time compared to a dragons 200 + year life span. On top of that, even though she was active while Rhaena was alive, Dreamfyre spent around 47 years in the Dragonpit after she died. Vermithor was directly stated to have been kept at the Red Keep with Silverwing, with no statement on whether or not they were chained, and then lived on Dragonstone for 27 years. Its not unbelievable whatsoever that he could've been larger than her. Drogon was larger than Viserion and Rhaegal as babies, in GoT and the books, yet they were literally all born at the same time.
Don't we get told Vermithor is second biggest (> Silverwing and Dreamfyre) ..'...only Balerion and Vhagar were larger'; and that Dreamfyre is 'slender'?
We do
Yes, and tbh the show’s not consistent by its own rules nor accurate to the source. Syrax is supposed to be ‘huge and formidable’ but has barely grow since ep 1, while Sunfyre looks to be significantly larger than her already in the trailers. The Black dragons should have boosted growth due to presumably being free roam on Dragonstone for 6 years while Dreamfyre and Sunfyre should be growing slower being kept in the dragonpit.
@@3MB4RVermithor has been stated to be the largest and OLDEST dragon after Vhagar in regards to show canon. On his description on the officiall HBO companion Guide for HotD and by his designer, Constantine Sekeris. And based on what we see of him in S2 trailer and at the end of eps 10 of S1, he is fairly huge. And can't be pushing less than 70% the size of Vhagar.
@@agrimmeon9308Why are you telling me this? I’ve already agreed that Vermithor’s been said to be the second biggest?
@@agrimmeon9308 The best part about this is, that it's a mistake, because Dreamfyre is at least 2 years older, Glyndayne had a math error there. But it's reasonable that Vermithor is bigger given the fact that Dreamyfre was ridden less, spend more time chained in the dragonpit and layed a ton of eggs.
The math: Dreamfyre bonded to Rhaena in 32AC, Vermithors egg was given to Jaehaerys in his cradle by Rhaena in 34AC.
I think a problem with some of this math is that baselining Vhagar at 10 and only giving yourself 9 other figures for the other dragons is probably underselling Vhagar unless the gaps between numbers is exponential. She's old and sort of dont give a fuck, but she's unstoppable on a mission.
I do clarify later on that the figures are logarhythmic
@@glimbus so 10 billion tyraxes is equal to single vhagar? Inflation is crazy
If you're adding them up, having exponential gaps doesn't make sense. Just make it out of a scale of 100 to have representative gaps.
“This is a logarithmic function.” Whatever you say buddy 😭🙏
. Vhagar - Directly stated to be 181 years old at her death and the largest living dragon in the known world after Balerions death
. Vermithor - Supposedly hatched in Jaehaerys crib in 34 - 35 Ac, 95 - 96 years old, and directl stated to be the largest dragon after Vhagar and Balerion in book canon and the largest and oldest dragon after Vhagar in show canon. Nearly the size of Vhagar according to HotDs dragon designers.
. Dreamfyre - Claimed by Rhaena as a hatchling in 32 AC, making her roughly 98 years old. Described as slender. Smaller tham Vermithor.
. Silverwing - Supposedly hatched in Alyssanes cradle in 36 - 37 AC, meaning shes 93 - 94 years old. Described as slender
. The Cannibal - Older than Sheepstealer but not larger than Balerion (208+), Vhagar (181), and Vermithor (95+)
. Sheepstealer - Stated to be smaller than Cannibal but larger than Grey Ghost. Hatched when the old king was young meaning between 34 AC - 54 AC. Makes him 95 - 76 years old.
. Caraxes - Claimed as a young dragon by Aemon Targaryen in 72 AC. Half the size of Vhagar. 57 + years old
. Meleys - Claimed as a young ridable dragon by Alyssa in 74 AC. Swifter than Vhagar and Caraxes, and potential contender of the former. 55 + years old
. Syrax - Hatched to Rhaenyra in show canon accordomg to Ryan Condal making her 34 - 35 years old.
. Seasmoke - Of a comparable size to Syrax in HotD, slightly larger as of S2.
. Sunfyre - As of S2 trailers, comparable in body size to Syrax with a more slender frame and larger wings. Claimed by Aegon as a hatchling from the Dragonmount in the books
. Tessarion - 1/3rd the size of Vermithor in the books. Whether claimed by or hatched to Daeron is unknown.
. Grey Ghost - Smaller than Cannibal and Sheepstealer. Killed by Sunfyre. Hatch date unknown.
. Vermax - Hatched to Jace. 15 - 16 years old.
. Moondancer - Hatched to Baela in show canon. 15 - 16 years old.
. Arrax - Hatched to Luke. 14 years old.
. Tyraxes - Hatched to Joffrey. 5 - 6 years old in show canon.
Idk why he was underselling Vermithor and over selling Dreamfyre
A few notes:
With the changed timeline Vhagar, Vermithor, Dreamfyre and SIlverwing all would be at least 2 years older, since the Dance takes place in 132 AC in the show.
Vermithor being called the second oldest is a mistake by Gyldayn. We know that Dreamfyre is at least 2 years older as she had bonded with Rhaena in 32AC and Jaehaerys was born in 34AC, which is reflective in your own notes up there. And that mistake isn't from HOTD, it's from Fire and Blood, but it probably got carried over.
I could not find a source stating that Sheepstealer is bigger than Grey Ghost (or smaller for that matter), is this from HOTD behind the scenes?
@@TemariNaraannaschatzGreat points, people always make the mistake saying Vermithor is second oldest because he was second largest (among the tamed dragons) but it was Rhaena, rider of Dreamfyre, who placed the egg in the old kings cradle. I remember Sheepstealer was born during the old kings early days, so they’re close in age to Maelys? And Grey ghosts interaction with Sunfyre kinda gives off the theory that he his likely smaller…
Laying eggs and the dragonpit has done a number on poor Dreamfyre
This is probably what I sound like when I take half an hour to explain to my friends (who know nothing about asoiaf) why Lancel could be the valonqar based on my knowledge of High Valyrian
Reminds me of my conceit that no matter what you write, eventually you'll end up at shonen anime. Here we are, powerscaling
at the heart of every story is goku powering up to punch a lizard-guy really hard in the face
Stormcloud erasure
You deserve a reply after 4 days. Stand proud Quinn, you're Game master. Love the vids btw.
I thoroughly enjoyed this and would be very interested in the highlight reel of your reaction to TVSin's HOTD coverage!
More Glimbus content is always good content
@@aussieflintkapping Amen brother
Especially since the entire thing isn't saved on the Twitch channel, so after just learning of the existence of this stuff there's now way to access it other than that.
Balerion gets the Azula Rule of Cool bonus point for having unusually coloured flames and thus was 11
What colour were his flames?
@@aria1347 Black as he was
@@RmsOceanic That's cold af. I would love to see dragon flames like that on-screen one day
@@aria1347 Well they're contemplating a series about the conquest so fingers crossed.
@@RmsOceanic That's true!! Exciting times
I hate how much sense this all made to me and how much joy it brought me
Fun fact: Cannibal was actually killed in the shadowlands beyond Ashai by the most powerful dragon to ever stalk the sky’s. Surpassing my leaps and bounds those great Valyrian dragons which made Balerion look like a kitten, the drake know simply as “Math Dragon” is the true power of asoiaf
So that's how you craft your Bliss takes: math streaming!
To be honest, I'd be willing to but Vermithor at a 10. Think about it. I'm almost possitive that we are told Vermy is the second largest dragon at this point, and any size charts that you look up also show him as being larger than Dreamfyre. He's almost as large as Vhagar, but is about half Vhagar's age. We can see that Vhagar is a bit sluggish given how old she is, and we haven't seen much of how Vermy moves in the show (Yes I've read the books and know what happenes, I'm just going by the show's logic so far). So I think for once, Vermithor's younger age would actually be a fight. Just my thoughts though.
From what I understand it, Vermithor is big, and strong, but he's not THAT big.
What sets him apart is being utterly insane and very violent and aggressive. Enough that it does make up for him not being too large.
@@thaneofwhiterun3562 why is he insane? I cant remember that. I know he is called "the bronze Fury" but was there ever elaborated why, except for his huge size?
@@jakobschoning7355 Because he was the dragon of a king for like 60 years I think, it's a big, strong, healthy, dominant and powerful dragon.
Like a little piece of the more violent side of ol' King Joe maybe.
Me when the dragon show guy establishes a Serizawa-scale for draconic magnitude analytics:
Is Vhagar is 10 there shouldnt be a 9 tbh
Decimals would make this so much easier. If Syrax is a 6 and Sunfyre is a 5, Seasmoke should be a 5.5 on the dragon scale.
If we’re taking the events of the war into account, Sunfyre should be a damn 7-9 considering how aggressive and competent he is in battle, and his bond with Aegon being the strongest dragonbond of the age…Sunfyre had a dawg in him the size of Balerion.
sunfyre and tessarion are both bigger and older than any of the blacks kids dragons because they aren’t cradle egss. they were both born on dragonstone and were already “young” dragons when aegon and daeron were born. love you glimbog x
17:10 "*maniacal laughter* so much for a short stream" LOL
Wow, you have really been feeding us the past few days! Many thanks, Gloodge
I learned from the movie Ravenous that cannibalism grants you your victim's power, so makes sense that Cannibal is a 10.
I understand that this was going off of ages, but I do think Dreamfyre could be lower than Vermithor. Vermithor was known as the Bronze Fury, whereas I can't think of Dreamfyre having done anything particularly aggressive.
But then, in HOTD she looks massive to me. Perspective is really off in that one shot of her.
I'd put Vermithor and Cannibal at 9, and Rhaegal and Viserion below Drogon, but I'm not sure the GOT show dragons can be measured on the same scale as the HOTD dragons.
Loved it! A really good laugh and I appreciate how much time and editing it must have taken you.😁
High quality dragon content
"Seasmoke was born to Laenor" is Laenor...like...his mom??? 😂
Kinda 😅 considering that they put the eggs in bed with them, it is a little like a brooding chicken, I guess
Great analysis of their size. The only discrepancy is that vermithor is outright stated to be the second largest during the dance
wish i could double like a video, that just scratched a part of my brain I didnt know existed
This just makes me sit and ponder the dynamic between Targaryens who end up inheriting an adult dragon vs. those who hatch a cradle egg. Cause you could say that at the start of the war, at least, it’s a clean divide with the Greens having inherited dragons, and the Blacks having cradle eggs (I’m sure there’s a metaphor here I just can’t think of it now). And I’m thinking of the pros and cons associated with cradle eggs wherein it’s probably safer than the ‘walk up and say hi’ option, but it leaves that given Targaryen tied to a dragon much weaker than those older than it.
But also I can’t imagine certain characters not having at least a cradle egg, but still somehow reaching adulthood with no dragon. Alicent’s kids have the excuse at least of Viserys not caring and Alicent not really being connected to the whole dragon ritual stuff. But there’s also instances like Maegor refusing to bond with a dragon until Balerion became riderless again, which, yeah on brand but it is weird that besides Quicksilver and later Dreamfyre there’s a whole zilch in terms of dragons post Conquest.
It could just be that the tag team of weird dragon fans in Rhaenyra and Daemon explain the pre-Dance dragon boom. At least in the show Daemon is playing an active effort in the tending and cultivation of dragons, and Rhaenyra is making a point of all her kids having one.
Given there were only three (four if you include one that eats other dragons) dragons at the Conquest, and dragons don’t really have genders, we have to presume that the eggs come from Balerion, Meraxys, and Vhagar. Thinking on it I bet that part of the weird sibling incest stuff the Targaryens do is connected to dragon interbreeding, where however they do it the inbreeding risk is not a factor. Now here’s a question: if left in the wild will dragon eggs hatch on their own? The aftermath of the Dance says no, but Cannibal’s kill counts say yes. I bring this up to ask how important the presence of a Valyrian descendent is to the whole hatching process.
I need to stop here the autistic dragon math has led to autistic dragon biology.
this will tide me over till the new episode of the fridge
Alicent may have not fully understood how bonding a dragon works, and only remembers her own children taking time to bond an unclaimed dragon.
when you said "this should be logarithmic" i knew this was kino
Looks like a proper estimate of the lizard's IQ.
Nice to see you two collaborate.
I'd love to watch the rest of this 😍
this is the type of content i need
No love for the pink dread?
Glimbus, it's 9:37AM in the US Eastern Time Zone -- go to bed, dude
He's from Australia
there are countries other than the us
Needed this today
This comment will be spoiling the fuck out of the books so beware:
Okay, so first thing we need to take into account is the fact how many of the dragons Rhaenyra actually meant to send to a war. She didn't wanted for her kids to take part in combat and more importantly - she didn't wanted *herself* to take part in combat. If you'll look closely, Rhaenyra actively avoided any fight. Whether it was due to her health complications, the fact that she wasn't a soldier or simple cowardice it doesn't matter. Rhaenyra and Syrax - they don't exist unless the things get to the last stand. Baela obviously is also taken out of the account as she didn't partook in any of the fighting.
So Black have umm... Caraxes. That's it. That's the entire Black arsenal they can willingly throw into battle. One dragon that is at best 70 years old. And that's against Vhagar (the oldest living dragon) and Dreamfyre (second oldest living dragon). Helaena got taken out of the war due to Daemon's utter cruelty, but nobody knew that at the time. At best they could count on the fact that she's not a soldier so she wouldn't be fighting. But truth to be told Dreamfyre would do all fighting for her. That dragon was absolutely massive. And they obviously knew that Daeron and Aegon would take part in the fighting themselves.
So without Rhaenys Blacks have 1 dragon versus Green 3-4 dragons. That's a dragon math for him. Honestly it's actually a pretty big plothole that after Rook's Rest Aemond didn't just zoomed to Dragonstone and ended the war right there, as his only opposition would be one civilian after troublesome labour that can't or won't take part in the fighting and a teenager on shrimp-sized dragon.
I feel like whe should put an * next to Dreamfyre cause i dont think there was ever any intention of Halena using it in battle. It seems like no one ever brings it up?
Its not all about size though but battle experience, the skill of the rider and the bond with the rider should be accounted for. Dreamfyre has never been in battle but is more of a breeding dragon compared to the only slightly younger Vermithor who has fought in several wars. Same with Syrax and Seasmoke. Also we have Daemon who is probably the most skilled rider with a powerful bond to Caraxes.
Please release the stream highlights. This was so entertaining. I want moaaaar.
Good video. I know the focus was merely the dragons' ages and correlated size, but a big argument in the book about dragon "viability" is not only their size but their (and their rider's) fighting prowess. Vhagar and Caraxes have known the most battle in their lives. Dreamfyre, despite being older and relatively large, is ridden by Helaena, who is not much of a rider or warrior, so she is less of a factor when considering the two sides' arsenals.
i love this so much
pwetty pwease do a full analysis after S2 comes out of dragon math
:)
Hotpie is the shrouded lord!!!!
Theory CONFIRMED 😮💨
Lost it at „this could solve the seasmoke issue“. Said like a true mathematician 😂
Serious vibe with sperging out about dragon inaccuracies 🎵🎶🎵🎶
Its their dragon effectiveness rating score it makes perfect sense! Quick wyrm maffs🐉
Although Sunfyre is a young dragon he is a fucking savage
Sunfyre my fav but one thing that doesn’t make sense in show and books. Is how fast Sunfyre was growing, hw somehow surpassed all the dragons hatched with and was able to kill a dragon older and larger than him. I think it’s a plot hole but whatever.
@@lostboyseh2329 Some dragons just grow faster than others. 3 or 4 year old Drogon is able to carry a rider. Assuming Moondancer hatched when Baela was still a baby, she still wasn't able to carry a rider at 10+ years of age
@@weir9996 True but Drogon was hatched using blood magic which probably helped a lot also he was (maybe) born of Dreamfyres eggs before the dragons decline.
Glimbort a more accurate ranking would be
Greens.
Vhagar 12/10 (cuz 181 year old)
Dreamfyre 9/10 (cuz at least 100 years old)
Sunfyre 5/10 (same age range as auras but slightly younger)
Tessarion 4/10 ( a generation younger than sunfyre, especially since she was large enough to contend with sea smoke)
Blacks
Caraxes 7/10
Syrax 6/10
Maelys 7/10
Seasmoke 5/10 (maybe 6/10)
Moon dancer 1-2/10
Arrax 1-2/10
Vermax 1-2/10
Tyrraxes 1-2/10
Stormcloud 1/10
Vermithor 9/10 (cuz like 98 years old)
Silverwing 9/10 (same as Vermithor but a year less)
Sheepstealer 8/10 (cuz a gen younger than Vermithor)
I think that’s all of them but obviously some switch sides so yee
Some additional considerations: Dreamfyre is not a military threat so long as she's bonded to Helaena, and sending Sunfyre into battle would be stupid (of course they do it anyway but its fair for Alicent to think they shouldnt). So thats actually just Vhagar and Tessarion that are strategically sound military dragons for the Greens. The Blacks have the same problem with syrax as the greens do with sunfyre, it would not be a good idea to send her into battle
Also to add, dragon size is definitely not directly proportional to age only, how they are kept and what breed they are have a bigger impact. Dreamfyre is... definitely smaller than she should be in that one shot, but she _has_ been confined to the dragon pit for a really long time. And Syrax just seems like an inherently small kind of dragon.
Vhagar is on that Lebron Miami vs Boston energy
i need the full stream so bad
It would be amazing if you release the full vod
WE WANT VODS! WE NEED VODS!
My speakers broke so I had to watch this on mute and just guess what you're talking about, and I'm gonna be honest, I don't agree that Vhagar is the most fuckable dragon, she is simply too old to be a 10.
Yooo Glidus was mentioned on GRRM’s not a blog? I just checked it and had to do a double take when seeing your name and Alt Shift X lmaooo. What a world.
Have you got a link to that post?
@@guerreiroazul3230 just look up grrm’s not a blog, it’s his latest post
I also know what happens, but for the sake of argument let's leave that out. Each of the dragons are going to be in different areas, 1 on 1, Vhagar kills all of them. Thinking about assymetric warfare, you need to divide and conquer if you're going up against a greater enemy, but you can't really divide up Vhagar. So you can either collect all your dragons and attack vhagar when shes alone (but then you're essentially leaving areas unprotected like the gullet), or you can attempt to kill her while shes sleeping.
tldr - Vhagar wins if each of the blacks dragons are separated (which they will be), the blacks win if they use all their dragons in an ambush against a lone vhagar.
But with all that said, when it really actually comes down to it, Caraxes MVP.
Has glimby changed from the ridiculous take that dreamfyre looks small in that clip yet or do you reckon another year will do it?
Im glad im neurotic enough to enjoy this
I need more glidus Schwift content before I cry
My god it’s beautiful
Love how Daenerys’ dragons are 7s when there’s only one dragon younger than them on here
Would love a version of this with pictures of the dragons as they have been created in the show, aside from Caraxes and Vhagar The dragons can be difficult to distinguish
Here is how you deal with Vhagar: You kill the rider. Either by assassination or by swarming Vhagar with more agile dragons and then have one of your guys go directly after Aemon. Pretty sure Daemon could have pulled it off. I also think one of the small dragons could just land on Vhagar while she's distracted.
Drogon is a special case even in the books he grow fast
So I do think it makes some sense that the sizes don't always line up with who's oldest. Could just chalk that one up to individuals not always growing at the same rate which is something that does very much happen. I also do think it is worth accounting for things like experience. So yeah Syrax is a bit older than seasmoke, but seasmoke did get 2 or 3 years of experience actually being in battles during the step stones campaign where Syrax (or her rider) have never actually been in a battle. I know all of this obviously doesn't matter and means nothing, but if probably have swapped a couple numbers around
Vhagar vs vermax, arrax, tyraxes, moondancer is the equivalent of nuclear bomb vs coughing baby
Most surprising about this are Daenerys'es dragons are 7, I thought they ought to be much smaller compared to HoTD dragons, I thought they gonna be like 4 Drogon 5-6 max. Vager is just so much fucking bigger compared.
Finally, Glidus and Glimbus colab
Cumulative age of each team's claimed dragons...
If Meleys joins Blacks:
B=187 v G=341
If Meleys joins Greens:
B=133 v G=395
If Meleys abstains:
B=133 v G=341
(True as of 129, when this conversation takes place)
Also worth noting: Moondancer was not even rideable at this point.
i would love to track down this gildus stream where he dunks on cinemasins, its always a good time to dunk on those people
From now on, this will be my mental image of Septon Barth doing dragon research (old King Joe wanted a tier-list bro)
18:52 this is perfect
They’re also discounting in show cannon how knowledgeable Alicent is probably is of dragons. Friends and lesson with Rhaenyra as well as listening to Viserys yapping sessions about Valyria
Despita tessarion’s ranking she’s like one of the most useful dragons since she’s unmatched in the reach.
I am biased towards Team Black but Vhagar is my favorite dragon of all time. She is just an old senile nuclear bomb that flies around with holes in her wing. Yes team black might have more dragons but only Caraxes has been in combat before. Vhagar literally helped subjugate the seven kingdoms.
I love this
During this video I got a bandsaw commercial 🫡
I was never really convinced that the dragon Aemond meets in the pit is Dreamfyre. Sure there's the, "Who else would it be?" argument, but I found it odd everyone just accepted it. I'm sure I'm wrong though, it just feels like i missed something.
19:25 I honestly thought glidus just forgot where he can find s6ep9 at this point but I was wrong it turns out
how interesting
For some reason it just occurred to me that all Alicent’s kids are dragon riders
And only 2 really matter. Poor Haelena doesn't do much with hers. Maybe just swaps prophetic dreams with one another lol.
@@jessjess23brooks89Daeron???
@@lostboyseh2329 on yeah. Well since Alicent forgot about him, I guess I did too lolol
Wasn’t expecting Aaron Dicer to be the first voice I heard in this video
Morghul and Shrykos are also there for the greens but they almost don’t count
They don't count, neither does Stormcloud as none of them were ridable yet. And of course they were bonded to small children who couldn't be used in warfare.
They would be a 1