Survival Hunter. Grim Batol (The War Within Beta Mythic+ Testing)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 26 ส.ค. 2024
- Testing the new and updated Survival Hunter on The War Within Beta. Been trying out some mythic plus using the Sentinel hero talent tree since the Pack Leader tree doesn't work on the beta still.
𝐁𝐮𝐠 𝐋𝐢𝐬𝐭 🐛
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(Credit to Leak for making this amazing list. Also credit to all the people on the trueshot lodge discord for spending the time finding out all the bugs)
Feel free to ask any questions in the comments below and I'll make sure to respond.
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Surv hunters - we are BACK!!! hell yeah!
"Who likes to play a class that doesn't work properly ?"
- Survival Hunters
That's a truth bomb right there
@@NimzeWoW 8 years man i waited for this
I don't know if i should laugh or cry
Your accent is enough for a sub. Also i'm intrigued by survival a lot. looking like itll be in the middle of the pack dps wise but playability it looks amazing. so much added survival to.. a survival hunter.. who would have thought people wanted that >.>
😄😄😄
It's way to early to tell where anything will be dps wise but no matter what, I think the specs gonna be super fun to play. And yeah the spec is really tanky now, or at least it feels that way. Not sure how much added defensives other specs in the game received going into the war within but survival really did get a lot
Now i am curious what will be top? because all gameplay ive seen, be it paladin, mage or lock, SV Hunter always was on top of the meter. In Beta, everyone is one the same gear level, so skill matters and SV hunters are burning every other class in their path. It is legit just "Watch your CDs and youll always be the best" system behind the overall SV gameplay. Maybe WW could be the same or better, but nothing is balanced yet really. WW and SV are really number dependend----
@@n3phelem549 im going with blizzard's track record of "is it best right before release? yes?"- massive nerf for 'balance' reasons
Keys are also only 1-10 now really which is equal to 10-20 so a +5 is still technically what a +15 is now. That's good enough for testing stuff.
We missed you so much man! Fully agree, seems we need to in perma blood lust to be able to hit 75% of the skills coming off cooldown... crazy situation. Feels like haste is going to be vastly superior to any other stat with crit second (despite all the synergy with crit)
We need more skills to auto cast since I doubt they'll get more skills off GCD
I missed your comments man! Yeah I know, I majorly suck at uploading but with Dragonflight ending and how I haven't really played season 4, I didn't really have anything to upload. But its awesome to see you are still around!
The spec actually got some changes a few hours ago where it seems to fix a lot of the issues. Still unsure how much it fixes the bloat issue but it seems to be a lot less intrusive now
@@NimzeWoW haha at least for now we're doing good on dps... with blizz's track record fun will be detected in season 2 so until then we can dominate a bit 😁I have not touched my hunter in s4 at all.. feelsbadman with everything broken I did not want to taint the good memories I had of the previous season.
I really wished they'd give survival a really rexxar spec aka dual wield, throwing skills for the axes with ability to pull the axes back to you. medium range (20yard) damage with melee skills and bomb/trap fillers and temp pets
@@Airbag888 That's the description of legion survival when the spec had an actual throwing axe ability and rotational traps. Also still had bombs with dragonfire bomb it just was a much smaller part of the spec. Now it's all bomberman mode which I find sad because I do like the fantasy the spec used to have going for it.
@@NimzeWoW Yeah bombs should be fillers not staple skills.. that's just lazy
Yessssir been you made my day!
Main SV as ALWAYS and looking forward to try the new SV 🫡🫡🫡
you were blasting! I main healer and the top dps i've seen in keys was only about 1.4M i saw you get almost 2.4M here at one point! I know whatcha mean about all the button bloat, I do wish about 20% of our abilities were passive bc it is a bit overwhelming all the buttons sometimes at the same time.
Survival hunter feels incredibly overtuned compared to the other specs in the beta at the moment but numbers don't mean much with it still being beta. The spec had button bloat problems in dragonflight but with all these new talents its on another level. I'm sure it'll get some changes though
The Owl is supposed to represent the "Sentinel" but yeah Eagle is better.
- They should remove or change *Coordinated Assault* we are already overloaded with bombs even without it.
So we can use *Fury of the Eagle* instead and apply the Sentinel debuff at 100% on all targets
- They should remove *Kill Command* and replace it with Flanking Strike which was our core ability during Legion. I'm really tired of that dev that keeps pushing Kill Command on Survival.
*Problems solved*
There was a new beta build pushed while I was asleep but it fixes a lot of the issues. But not the "coordinated assault is an incredibly boring and non impactful CD" issue. People do like fury of the eagle and its in an odd spot where you don't really have enough time to use it in a fight so it would be nice to see it get some attention. Flanking strike is more interesting now with this latest change (it now costs focus and grants 2 tip of the spear stacks) but I totally agree tbh. I've never liked kill command, it feels so meh to press and flanking strike back in legion... Oh that was fun, it cost a load of focus and had a nice sound effect attached and just felt really good to press
Hey Nimze, they removed the CD from Bombadier so you don't have to us the explosive shots in a set amount of time!
Ayoooo, the Wakandarians send their regards. Looking to play hunter in TWW, then i bumped into your vids, good stuff.
Awesome to hear! 😄
Hopefully the video was somewhat helpful if you are wanting to give the survival hunter spec a try.
@@NimzeWoW Actually i'm thinking multi-specing, wanted to play hunter for a long time, the huge defensives buff really did it for me this time. Dunno, probably MM/BM first due to easier weapon loot.
The rework has been absolutely amazing so far. Blizz is really taking feedback to heart. Now all that's left as a problem imo is how unimportant mongoose bite feels. Even with talents that are supposed to give it a place in mid target count cleave and spread ss, it doesnt white beat just spamming bombs.
And in st its just not quite as powerful as it should be. It needs at least a buff and ideally a rework of bloody claws to do something cool and powerful instead of the boring uselessness it is now
The fact they never changed bloody claws blows my mind and yeah, mongoose bite is real weak right now on the beta. I don't think they've adjusted all the numbers yet though
@NimzeWoW true they havent adjusted numbers. But we also cant be sure they will, so its best to point out potential problems instead of just hoping they notice.
good thing they fixed the explosive after coordinated assault!!!
The latest change they made is huge for that. No need to plan 20 seconds ahead to get value since you can just hold onto the free explosive shot charges now 🙌
I love that we just SLAMMIN bombs and Explosive in AoE. Not saying that current state of Surv is amazing design, but it feels good to press the buttons I "want" to press.
Right.... this season was a pain all because of the tier set.
Personally im most looking forward to the mongoose bite cleave build. Dont get me wrong, i also wanna chuck bombs, but we get to do that anyway. Even in st. But, if tuned correctly, the mb cleave ss spread build will allow for a bit of variety in our aoe builds. And even in thar build bombs will be 80% of what we do. Just not 100%
Was going to main rogue, especially assa, but I’m thinking of leaning towards survival hunter now
Also - I was playing around with my survival on beta for a few hours and at first I was very upset about why other people didn’t run fote in keys because when I tested it, it felt like the damage was there so like, just seemed really weird to me. After using it actually in content I was like okay so we literally don’t have a moment in our rotation for fote. Especially with the sentinel cdr and CA 1 min stuff like more than every second of a 5 minute rotation is clogged up with abilities to cast. Like on paper there’s a lot of cool things happening like mongoose bite cleaving, but imagine trying to figure out how to even have a gcd available for mongoose in aoe and how to even have justification for having mongoose in the first place when you spend a talent point on it and the cleave part when you’re struggling to find gcd to even cast it
Mastery is actually better than Vers. But also Crit is so good too along with Haste. It will be interesting to see which one is superior
I can't tank in tww so I'm going to be making my survi hunter. So excited!!!
are you one of the many demon hunters quitting tanking because they've lost top spot? so many of my in game friends play vengeance and are quitting.. just quitting not trying something else. really bummed.
Welcome to the club! Survival hunter is looking super fun so you made the best choice 😄
@@-.-Monster Wait, really? Is their ego really that fragile? Heck, they should play brewmaster. An alcoholic rolling around the dungeon setting everything on fire sounds fun enough, doesnt it?
@@n3phelem549 that sales pitch kind of made me want to play brewmaster..
Kinda funy how the changed that all of our Abilitys cost focus now. When i remeber correctly the old mastery was increased dmg with Abilitys that cost Focus? :D
It was... That mastery would have actually been really solid after these changes. Funny how that worked out
Oh so they kept the dragonflying part of the dungeon in but made it half the original duration. Interesting.
I'm looking forward to coming back to SV in TWW. Are you going to put up a SV guide once the bugs etc are fixed? Looking more complicated than last time I played it lol
I will aim to make one for when Season 1 in TWW starts. Things often change a lot up until the first week of the season and I want to make sure I don't say information that ends up changing. But yes! I will make a guide video for TWW 😀
hi already great video I would like to know if your hunt survival wa pack was available somewhere otherwise thank you for your videos it helped me a lot personally on certain raid bosses continue like that :)
Thank you :D
On live I use an addon called tellmewhen. On the beta tellmewhen hadn't updated so I remade it with weakauras but that's with new talents and everything. It won't work 1 to 1 with survival on the live wow client. I know most people use weakauras so I'll make it a priority to switch my ui over to weakauras properly and then I'll upload it on the wago website for anyone that might want it. That won't be until when The War Within comes out though. Really glad to hear the videos have helped you though! 😄
@@NimzeWoW thx ^^
@@hiraskocrown6585 I decided to upload my wa pack that I've got on the beta, onto wago. It's not going to translate great over to the live client but if you are on the beta then it's what I'm using in this video:
wago.io/16lwQoYXo
Like I said before, I'll try and have an actual thing made for when the war within roles around.
Can you tell me where you get your weakaura? Locks much better then mine😅
Are you happy now cmpared to before surv rework? Week before this rework I gave up on my survival hunt it was so painful and still is until tww🤣
I think its way better. This is the first draft of the new survival hunter talent tree so I expect most of the bugs to get fixed and changes made where needed. Obviously blizzards track record for fixing this sort of stuff is not great (actually terrible with survival hunter specifically) but even if the fixes are minimal I think its leagues better than it was in Dragonflight. I'm very hopeful but we'll see what happens
I have loved SV since Legion. I think the Hunter Class tree rework is amazing. I just don't think I'll main SV anymore. I like rules and priorities and SV has gotten away from it. It is crazy to be at max stacks of anything to me so having max stacks of bombs or Kill Command feels bad.
I know people love freedom and SV gives you freedom to hit what you want. I don't love that freedom. I wish there were much stricter rules or priorities. I also miss the Mongoose Fury window having importance.
The fight for Survival's soul was won by bombs and I wanted it to be Mongoose Bite.
I may come around later because I truly love SV and have played it even when it was the most niche but I really don't love bomb / KC CDR playstyle.
I totally get what you mean. It's sort of like (and here's a minecraft reference) in minecraft where you can play creative mode and have everything, sure it can be fun for a few minutes but it doesn't feel rewarding like survival mode does.
I really hope they reduce a lot of this problem because this is on a character with a fixed ilvl equivalent to un-upgraded lfr gear, with pretty low haste. If you have higher haste this issue gets even more out of hand. So if it stayed the same, in the last patch of the expansion you will be machine gunning out bombs
What's your talent loadout? It'd be interesting to see if you take quick shot + sulfur-lined pocket, like full into bomb + explosive shot.
I had the talents I was running in this dungeon pop up very briefly at the start of the video. If you pause it and have a look, that'd be the best way to see since I can't link a photo. I was running quick shot but there was a bug so it didn't proc very often, at all really. With that bug sulfur - lined pocket would proc maybe one time during an entire dungeon. I'm hoping that's all fixed for the next round of mythic plus testing because it would be good to see how that talent actually plays out
@@NimzeWoW thx!
I might return to retail and main surv this go around
It's super fun to play on the beta right now. I think it's going to be one of the most fun specs to play going into The War Within
I think TotS isn't meant to work with Explosive Shot, could be wrong but it doesn't consume stacks of TotS. Mongoose Bite, Kill Shot and Bombs do consume stacks of TotS but Mongoose Bite and Kill Shot are not getting any benefit from TotS and Bombs is buggy.
And spells like coordinated assault are consuming a stack which doesn't seem right, so it's hard to tell what abilities will end up working with it
seems pretty busted, gotta test that out since they f**ked with my dear arms warri
dps numbers are bound to change with it being beta, but if arms warrior isn't cutting it for you then hop aboard the survival hunter train because this spec is looking real fun!
I was afraid, that with the latest changes (bombs costs focus and etc) we will be always focus hungry. Do you feel like it’s an issue or not?
They really did take the focus issue (we had too much focus and not enough ways to spend it) as "let's add a focus cost onto every single ability". It's a lot better though, felt weird not managing focus. I've only hit a training dummy for a little while on the beta and it's felt okay. We still have a lot of kill command resets happening and I didn't get into a situation where I was focus starved. That's only from a tiny bit of testing though. I do think adding focus onto bombs was maybe unnecessary
Heya! Is that a Weakaura that tracks what abilities is off cooldown and appears bigger above ur ability bars? - If so, i'd love to know where i can get it! Thanks in advance.
The one in the video is one I made while on the beta. If you are on the beta and are wanting it then here you go:
wago.io/16lwQoYXo
It won't translate perfectly over to the live client (bombs are different ect) but I'll try and have it up to date when The War Within roles aroud.
I feel like they need to rework flanking strike to replace kill command. Only thing I hate about my hunter is the que times
They actually made changes already! A new build hit the beta while I was asleep. Flanking strike now costs focus, generates 2 stacks of tip of the spear and can cleave onto 3 targets. It's a lot more interesting and feels less out of place
Anyone else think Survival needs a button that feels cool to press.
Bombs spamming is nice, adds to the theme but its no bladestorm, No DK breath, DH Eye beam blablabla, They just throw throw throw throw slash slash slash, Kill shot it probably the big button and it is only available on executes.
I think they have tried to do that with explosive shot with this new talent tree. There's also fury of the eagle which is basically a copy pasted fists of fury from monks (at least visually). With the bomberman direction blizzard seems to be taking the spec, I can imagine if they went to give the spec a big cool button to press it'd be a bigger bomb! 💣
They could Add something Like stampede but that feels too BM , Bombs + traps feel great for the theme but not for that 'Melee hunter' And copying from other classes always feels lazy.
If they simplified the spec but made some of the abilities have impact / Gave that bit button which fits theme. i'm sure it'll be a very flavoursome Spec
Either way, Survival Melee hunter specs haven't been the worst feeling specs (Feral and Spriests have had that titles many times)
how are you able to use WA on beta though?
If you use curseforge: go to the WA page and there should be a tab called 'versions'. download the latest alpha version at the top of the list and it should work on the beta. Same goes for any other addons if the creator has them up to date for the beta
Do we need to use a maccro for Coordinated assault ?
We don't anymore! 😄
You can scrap those macros as soon as The War Within roles around 🎉
hey nimze, what font are you using for your damage?
I think it's just the normal wow one. I haven't changed anything with the damage numbers on the beta client, if they look different it might be tied to the elvui addon maybe. Not entirely sure
How in the world did you get WA working?!
If you use curseforge: go to the WA page and there should be a tab called 'versions'. download the latest alpha version at the top of the list and it should work on the beta. Same goes for any other addons if the creator has them up to date for the beta
WHY THE F they changed umbriss model? dude the original was so sick.
You're right he's so different. Just did a quick google and he looks way cooler from the original
If ninze post content, I watch content.
what was your build please
For this dungeon I ran:
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But with the recent changes (if quick shot actually works now) A more optimal dungeon build on the beta would be something like this:
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Literally every player in WoW: Nobody is doing more than a +5 because we hate bolstering and sanguine and we just want to have fun, right?
Blizzard: People enjoy all these affixes because of the added variety.
Hot Take -- Sentinel should be the Spec. Night Warrior should be the Hero tree. Rexxar is a bad model for the spec. Tyrande should be muse for SV.
Every race could get a different Sentinel. Night Elves could use the Owl. Trolls could use a Raptor, Orcs could use a Wolf, Dwarves could use a Ram Sentinel and etc. Bombs could be replaced with astral powers like stars and comets.
They are just making survival up as they go. Bombs are a gnome, goblin, and maybe a tinker thing. Never should have been a Survival thing. Never seen Rexxar with a bomb.
Just wait for the retcon lore they give Rexxar to stop hunters from complaining that survival gets further and further away from it's original themes. He's going to have a pet owl, no more duel wielding axes. He's going to have a spear with explosive fireworks taped to the tip, belts lined with bombs across his chest and his eyes glow up blue to show he has sentinel powers.
What's the point of beta if blizzard has nothing working to test? It's so crazy the lack of quality from these companies today.
Bugs are expected in beta so testers can find them and then they can all get cleaned up before the expansion goes live. However yeah... the fact pack leader hasn't worked since it was put in the alpha/beta feels really bad since the hero talents are one of the new big features and when you can't even try it out... it's not good. Blizzard is also very skilled when it comes to leaving as many bugs in the game as possible for when an expansion releases and id be surprised if that doesn't happen again
Is ur ui available to get?
The weak aura in the middle of the screen in the video is one I made while on the beta. If you are on the beta and are wanting it then here you go:
wago.io/16lwQoYXo
It won't translate perfectly over to the live client (bombs are different ect) but I'll try and have it up to date when The War Within roles aroud.
The rest of my UI is just the ElvUI addon and details for the damage/healing meter