LEICA ZM11 - The Second Watch
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 13 พ.ค. 2024
- It's not very often I bond with a watch really quickly upon first getting it in to the channel.
These Leica ZM11 watches have had a profound effect on me.
They are very German, very well made and are oozing beauty
The hardest part fo the review was having to send the watches back...
Link to watch: leica-camera.com/en-int/watch...
Thanks for watching.. - แนวปฏิบัติและการใช้ชีวิต
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That is an impressive watch.
The bracelet look incredible.
All in.all it is very appealing.
The price... for me *OUCH* 😮
Thanks for sharing 👍 😊
Way too expensive for me. That said, it's very beautiful.
Thats my stumbling block as well...ouch
@@PeterKotsaobviously not,you just bought a ridiculously expensive Dornbluth and Sohn
@@667hodge I should have clarified..in context for me, I think the Dornbluth is worth the expense, as for the Leica, I cant see myself spending that amount on the watch..cheers
@@667hodge How do you figure that? D&S are $5,500 and up. Average around $7k. Same as this watch. And this watch looks much better IMO.
I love how the design incorporates elements of its photography equipment. Very clever.
The title grabbed me. Looking at this timepiece took me back to my amateur photography days when sometimes I'd just stare down into the glass of a Leica 50mm F1.0 Noctilux-M. Now the years are gone, the cameras, some family and friends, but some photographs and God remains. I can still look at a lovely timepiece, can't afford it and still be grateful for the ride. I believe you did an honest and fine review of this watch.
Great review, stunning watch.. Unfortunately, at that price, I'm looking at Glasshutte 70s, Gerrard Peregaux Laureato.. Omega Aquaterra etc
Yes, so many choices to consider when spending that sum...
What a beauty 🤩 but this price 🤦🏻♂️ And maybe it would be better in smaller size?
Leica never skimps on aesthetic. Absolutely stunning.
They've done their homework on this one for sure..👍
Thanks for this great review of a great watch! Greetings from Wetzlar - the home of LEICA.
The price 🤯
But… this movement behind a great crystal, superb rotor and this bracetet - superb.
Btw - awesome shot with this „wave” of links of the bracelet 👌
Another side note.
Lehmann Schramberg is manufacturing the Watches for Leica.
Lehmann itself is a story to tell.
Not this watch actually. Only the ZM 1 and ZM 2 Collection. The ZM 11 Collection is made by in collaboration with Chronode in Switzerland
When I hear that healthy pop and that click of the day wheel I don’t care about the price. It reminds me of Sinn “sounds” experience. So German.
I’m a Leica owner and if I see a red dot to swap the straps… well, nailed it.
On canvas it is superb.
As for you, always genuine reviews and I admire you.
Stunning and minimalist ❤
Can't wait for the San Martin Homage. There is no way I would be abke to afford it otherwise, and its not like Leica would be missing a sale from me.
Or the Pagani…😂
Plus, if you like the experience, you may be convinced to buy the "real deal" someday. These reasons are why i believe the "homaged" brands actually like what San Martin and Pagani do.
@@TheGrenadier97Agreed. Free advertising.
I love the rotor design and the matt gunmetal innards are industrial-gorgeous. Patek came to mind with the dial, and you are right about a slight waft from a passing Porsche. That bracelet connecting mechanism is very neat. The thing is, with their history and reputation, they can get their elbows out and get recognized straight away as a heavy hitter. When you mentioned pricing I thought this has got to be £6750 area, the spec is not pitched low. I can understand your reluctance to return it. " Dear Mr Leica, the dog ate it. We're still waiting..no sign and it's been four weeks..oh well, these things happen.. "
Super job, Peter👍🙏
I honestly don't have an opinion on the brand it's self but man this watch looks special. That glossy dial looks stunning and that bracelet is pure class.
what a beautiful watch and beautiful pictures and video
Two weeks well spent. She will stay forever in your memories 😢
Thanks for sharing this nice creation Peter.
Hope you are doing well.
Thanks Francois, been very busy with work, but enjoying the hobby immensely 😊
The fact that you feel really sad to give it back is the best advert for this watch Leica could have hoped for. Also your photography really helped show the quality and aesthetic appeal of this timepiece. That said, it’s way out of my price own range. Great review.
I suppose the more I like a watch, the more time I tend to spend photographing it and getting in close and personal 😊
@@PeterKotsa Makes sense!
what a beauty.. your videography elevated it to the next level..
As lovely as this watch is, I’m not sure if I’d ever buy a Leica watch. Their heritage in the camera world is Legendary as we all know. Only Hasselblad breathes their rare air and punches at similar weight to Leica. Having owned a 1st generation Leica Q ‘compact’ for 6 glorious years I can definitely vouch for their excellence in that area. Even though this watch reflects their camera manufacturing in quality and symbolically they’ve undone themselves a little bit here. Pitching at Rolex Oyster level prices won’t put off Leica die hards, but it will put off watch enthusiasts who’d rather spend their money on a Swiss watch brand that has been making watches and establishing a reputation for as long as Leica have been making cameras.
Geez, this thing is really nice. Every feature is perfect. If I ever had the money then I could see myself going for this, it really speaks to me.
I like a the Leica.
At least I can review your video on a regular basis even though I will never own one. Thank you.
When you said expensive, I thought I would hear something in the range of $18000-$21000 USD. The fact that this is under $9K USD is great for the type of Watch you’re getting.
Leica watch? Are you a surveyor or photographer?
@@Bdigital9482 Is there a point to what you are trying to say?
Hello and thanks for this full review Peter. As usual, amaizing close ups and so interesting talks. About this Leica, I especially love its "H. Moser" bracelet and its amaizing case back.
Hey Christophe, it certainly has some very nice vibes and that bracelet is a hero for sure
@@PeterKotsa I remember that you said a lot of good things about Wise Adamascus 15th anniversary bracelets. And you were fully right, I rarely worn such comfortable strap on my wrist.
Good to hear..enjoy @@user-ke6xt1yl1l
@@PeterKotsa I do! 😉
Oooooh......I like this one! That's a work of art. The limited edition black one with the red accents is stunning. I don't blame you for wanting one.
You always nail it buddy! Great job 🥂 Cool learning the backstory as much as exploring the watch. Those proprietary strap pins are limiting, but look much easier than even QR bars. I like the "now I'm sounding like a professional photographer " nod 😁. Like others concluded though, that price is bonkers. Cheers
Yeah its really a big stumbling block to get over for sure Jonathan..
I like it, its not perfect, its nice to look at but I wont be letting go of the Omega anytime soon...done that before and regretted it 😊
Cheers brother
Absolutely stunning watch, and gorgeous design elements, exactly what I'd expect from Leica. Sadly, that's just insanely expensive for the vast majority of us, dream on... Wish I could find a German watch like this that was actually affordable.
You know that I'm a long-time fan - but this is 'no sale.' $11,000 Aussie = approx. $7200 US. I believe that an Aqua Terra is around $6000 US. Furthermore, Omega has a well-established brand heritage, dealer network and service infrastructure. It does not escape my notice that the Leica website does not mention the price - anywhere. That's a haughty and imperious tactic that few (if any) Swiss brands dare to take. NEIN DANKE.
Bingo. You nailed it mate. If I wanted one of these I would have to travel to one of the two Leica dealers in Australia a journey of 1000-2000km. When I want another Omega I have two Omega boutuiques out of the 4 in Australia within 45 minutes drive from where I live in Queensland. I too went to their website which doesn't list a price. Not listing a price is a deal breaker for me. I don't care what your price is but if you make it impossible for a customer to know whether they can afford it or not then I'm out. At $13.5k AUD it's stupidly overpriced for a product that your are not known for. I'm sure their cameras are worth it but the watches have a long way to go to get to the point where people who are not manic will drop that sort of money on an unknown quantity. Interestingly the new Omega Speedmaster Professional Moonwatch with the white dial is $13.4k AUD and I would take that in a heartbeat over this.
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It may be more than I'd pay, but I'm not sure I can call it objectively too expensive. A very slick piece, though I'm not keen on the aesthetic of the integrated bracelet - it cheapens the look IMO. Swatch-like in appearance.
Prefer the straps to the bracelet. The bracelet reminds me a bit of Speidel Stretch Bracelets from the 60's. The movement is beautiful. What a great looking watch, thanks for the review.
Stunning looking and incredible engineering and yes you have to pay for that !
Thought of H Moser immediately when seeing it. Gorgeous watch for sure! Cheers
Ebel or some old Grand Seiko VFA’s as well
I thought of the moser as well. I wonder if the bracelet is as nice to wear.
@lansvale28 I would think so. If I remember correctly, Peter mentioned one of the designers worked on the Moser Streamliner line. I would love to have one on my wrist at some point, even if it's briefly.
Just a little bit out of my price range.....
IWC Porsche design or Moser in appearance
Various elements of design: ❤️
Movement: ❤️
Price: 😳😢🚨💔
too expensive
Hard to get around it for sure...👍
In all fairness, this is an argument you can only make if there’s something similar on the market, and this is pretty unique these days.
Agreed.
@@PocketUau i am German and i would Like to wear a Leica watch - but i am not willing to spend that much money
IMHO, German cars and watches are way overpriced 😢
what a beautiful piece
The watch is....very German...LOL precise in design and engineering! Lovely watch with a hefty price tag entering a price category occupied by some serious competition. Would I buy this watch?...maybe but my wrist is to small to accommodate that metal bracelet which I truly love. It's bold watch in a very German sublime sleek way...I wouldn't mind having it my collection but the price and bracelet size make it no buy for me! Thanks Peter as always another truly wonderful video!
Peter, I love these Leica's you've shown. The first one that looked VERY much like a top down view of a camera and now this one.
While they may be of comparable quality & price to an Aqua Terra or a JLC, I think I'd rather go with the brands that are known for watches. I truly hate saying that, but as we know heritage DOES matter. If the price was a smidge lower, it would make the decision between the Leica's & an Omega or JLC GADA watch more difficult.
Yes, they started in watches, but they are not known for watches.
Either way, love your videos & it is a shame you had to send it back.
I know..it felt good ion my wrist and sitting in my watch box..😂😂
Great review and camera work as always thanks.
The watch looks great and I’m not sure the price is any harder to rationally justify than any luxury watch really? Definitely up there with my Aqua Terra from the looks of it.
However I was concerned to see that the canvas strap was already appearing to show signs of deformation/degradation where it connected to the body of the watch?
I love the ..I'm gonna say...1/125th of a second pause as you say red dot, Peter! Thanks for bringing us this one, lots of subtle nods to enjoy.
What a beautiful bracelet!
I was thinking up to around 5k AUD would be reasonable.
But $11K??? That's wild. You can get so much more for that money.
These look fantastic but I can't imagine picking up one of these over a GS.
Hell, for half the price you can get an Oris with Calibre 400.
If this had an ETA movement, but this is a big notch above
@@KristianDowling How so? I don't see what's so special about this movement. The 60 hour power reserve isn't worth the asking price.
For half the money, you can get Calibre 400 with 120 hour power reserve and better advertised accuracy.
@@Username.RandomNumbers it’s all about who is making the movement and the way its decorated specifically for Leica. It comes from Chronode who are a specialised movement maker and their leader is Jean-Francois Mojon, who happens to be responsible for making very high end movements which also include the MB&F legacy machine making others. The ZM11 is also designed by the designer of the IWC Big Pilot as well other icon watches like the Moser Streamliner, and these partners don’t come at a low cost, and certainly add value to the watches and brands they collaborate with.
At 11k I'm buying the Omega Aqua Terra Shades every day of the week over this.
@@montys8th do whatever pleases you buddy
Wow. So gorgeous. Love the proportions. That canvas strap looks amazing. But man, that price is insane. And I’m a longtime Leica owner by the way. I know what their cameras cost. If they could bring this in at $1500 or so, then I would be quite interested. Something in Sinn territory. Maybe a lower tier one with an SW200 or something? Alas, I too am forced to wait for San Martin.
Beautiful watch! That rear view is OCD heaven! Prohibitively expensive, but it screams high quality end-to-end, no denying.
Wow that bracelet. Reminds me a little of the EBEL wave I bought my wife but more Teutonic. 41mm is my sweet spot and the watch I'm wearing today is 50mm lug to lug and my wrist is wider. Todays watch has a butterfly with 5mm links and the Leica looks similar size. Its the type of bracelet that is so flexible it can be worn a little loose. Bottom line I would go on a diet or wrist building exercises to get the Leica to fit ❤❤❤❤❤. Oh and that is one of the best looking mechanism finishes.Always fancied a Leica camera mostly just to hold and look at.
cheers..
Had to look up AUD. Price seems a bit steep, but e.g. the Omega NTTD is as well. But also there you get an aesthetic that's pretty special. The question is, does the design entice you enough to pay the premium?
While I agree the price is high, I suppose if we see it from another perspective, it shows how confident Leica is in the overall quality of its timepieces. They really look very appealing!
The comparison to Glashutte is right on, the price, well I’d rather have a Glashutte. Thanks for another great review on what I’ll freely admit is a beautiful watch
As beautiful as a Royal Oak or a Nautilus but way cheaper. But it’s to big for my humble wrist of 15,5 centimeters. Maybe they can be persuaded to make it in a unisex size of 38 millimeters 🤔 Greetings from Denmark
If you told me this was made at Muhle-Glashutte I would believe it. Very reminiscing of the SAR rescue watch.
That is a stunning watch! I can see why it hurts to give this one back. Think it is worth the price, but not in my budget right now. Still, I want one!❤
This integrated bracelet design really gives off the vintage IWC/Porsche design diver vibe. Maybe a diver is next for Leica?
It's a very cool watch, I got to see it at the Dusseldorf show.
This watch isnt to my personal taste but I like the elegance and colors, the design choices on the face. Very Nice.
Why?
I am keeping my dad's Seamaster, it was his 20 year present in 1951 from my grandad.
Simple, works perfectly and it is light enough.
From Leica not surprised at price or availability. Beautiful and awesome just like Leica.
Beautiful on the bracelet.
For that price we can get plenty of better and nocer options. I wouldn’t pay more than $4k for thst. They should actually stick to what they are known for, or have a reasonable price for new goodies 😮.
This is lovely. I could get the coffee, on metal with the rubber as backup. Maybe one day!
When are you going to start announcing golf again?! PS this is a beautiful watch. I love how they decided to not write a poem on the dial
Looks very unique. Really like that bracelet. Haven't seen that kind of integrated bracelet before. If I had the money, would buy the rolex explorer over that. Its the same price. Don't think Leica is worth $7k
That coffee dial ❤ but 13k wow. I really like it but if I was going to spend 13k, I'd get an omega seamaster 😊.
The strap system is excellent.
Looks so refined
The price is around what I would expect and I don't think it too expensive, but they have put themselves up against a lot of good watches in that price range. I'm a German brand fan too. I own Nomos and Sinn and would like to add others. German brands, even more affordable ones, always seem to have good design and finish.
I'd choose a Nomos any day over this, especially for the price. Cheers from a fellow Sinn owner.
@@kjart 👍👍
Really lovely review.
Thank you!
Beautiful watches. I expected to be more expensive relatively to their cameras. Affordable for Rolex, Omega, Tudor and GS entusiasts.
This is German design at its best, this time not in an austere Bauhaus form, but with much more substance. It reminds me a lot of the Aquaterra too. The price is indeed a bit heavy, but it is not ridiculous and in particular visually this is a lot more interesting than a lot of what other, more well known luxury brands offer.
Beautiful but too much expensive
If I had 9 grand USD to spend on Leica, it's not going towards a watch. But the watch/camera overlap is real, and not just from Leica. The Seiko I'm lusting over right now is the Mamiya Sekor P 75mm f/5.6 with a Seiko-made shutter.
Thanks to your impeccable presentation I came to like this more than I anticipated. With the exception of the cost-inflating movement development, I felt myself comparing it to Fears Redcliff. Granted, I think this is pushing the boat out more, also in terms of dial design and bracelet, but both seem to pursue an ultimately relatively conservative and restraint own perfection of the steel sports watch. Initially, it's arguably a little boring, but really hone in on the execution of the key design details and there is originality and a convincing charm there. Both are without a doubt more expensively priced than is good for them. This Leica regrettably is chunky. That would likely rule it out for me. The bracelet is even very thick, which is OK with the bracelet, but less so in the other materials to my eyes, even if it aids the integrated lines from the case. At first glance, I preferred the warmth from the gold and coffee tones. Is that watch also stainless steel though, as it looks quite dark? But the execution of the blue is equally strong, perhaps just less striking. The special edition with the red accents is innovative in dial construction but aesthetically not immediately preferable. While I tend to ignore casebacks soon after purchasing, I must admit that this has a great concept, from the aesthetic of the movement to the crystal and the knurling surrounding it. Ultimately perhaps it's the round case itself that is the least exciting element of this watch. It doesn't quite seem to reach the sophisticated appeal of construction that the bracelet seems to have, but nonetheless the whole watch does leave a very strong impression. Much better, in my opinion, than the first. Unaffordable, but if they could fix that, I'd look forward to a smaller and slimmer version.
I truly love this watch! Now I need to sell some of my body parts to be able to buy one!😮😅😂
Moser Patek love child with a silver spoon in its mouth. One for the fashionistas.
Beautiful and I mean BEAUTIFUL but the price is out of this world just like my other dream German watch, the Glashutte Original SeaQ.
Very interesting video.
IMO the watch is far too thick, and at that price you could get a VC, GP, or a Moser.
Sheer beauty, great review, thank you :)
Thanks for watching!
Very nice, but I think the bracelet and straps don’t seem to join the case well, there seems to be a weird gap on the rubber, the last link on the bracelet appears to sit higher that the end link and I could see rubbing or pulling on one side of the canvas. For the price I would expect more… a lot more refinement. A system where a portion of the strap pushes into a slot at the end link is bound to cause wear and tear issues the more times you change straps… you could already see it on the canvas.
That one shot of the coffee cup. Was that Leica Store Chadstone? I believe that was Mr. Lin in the shot. 😂
Yes Chadstone 👍
It's definitely expensive. But if that's the bracelet you're after, you'd have to pay a lot more for the Moser Streamliner!
Gorgeous watch, and photography too!
Cheers
Gorgeous watch I actually really like this but no brand equity for 11k is too unreasonable
Tha Chronode movement is a step above the regular eta clones in most watches.
A beautiful and unusual watch. “Expensive” is a very subjective term though. It doesn’t sound all that expensive to me when compared to any other desirable watch.
Hi beat, 35 jewels & chronometer standard 👍🏼
What a fabulous watch, just oozes pure quality, still prefer the search and rescue though!
I love the first (modern) Leica watch.. this one's not for me though tbh. .. looks good on the canvas strap tho.
Gorgeous. Shame about the cost.
Nice vid, thanks. I see imperfections on the linear edges on the dial face... quite stark, really, for 10k and up. Otherwise a lovely piece.
Also, nice photography. It's your work that exposed these little things.
Definitely beautiful watches. But overpriced given their lack of brand equity in watches. As well as what you are getting for the money. I would rather spend that money on a Grand Seiko. More watch for the money imho. But I do think Lecia is showing potential. I wouldn't be surprised to see them become bigger in the luxury watch market in the future
Silicon hairspring? Antimagnetic?
Coffee coloured on canvas would look nice, but I’m a Nikon man.
Hahaha...
The gold version is on another level, way more classy or elegant
Great idea that quick change system.......if you supply leica with the straps.
For the rest of us who like straps....other companies straps?
Nope!
If it wasn't for that jerk move of FORCING buyers to use only 4? Options I would be tempted.
I am like you. I immediately thought Porsche design. Cool watch.
You could buy a ton of Henry Archers for one of these AND no gripes!!! :)))
If only they could work in a camera, James Bond style. That would be amazing!
For the target audience this will definitely look great value, for sure that audience is not wide and Leica knows that.
Correct..well said Mahmoud 👍
Gorgeous!
Really like the seconds hand.
Has potential, beautiful bracelet but no taper. Hour markers a tad too long and size has to be 38/39mm and then the price 😮 but I guess the market is there, it's special and lots of dough slushing around
Ebel style bracelet, something H Moser reintroduced with the Streamliner.
A shame the crown sticks out so far. I would constantly think I had forgotten to screw it down.
Are there any nicks on the dial between 8 and 10?
I was expecting 3-4K being German Made. Certainly the bracelet is of Moser inspiration which was confirmed by your reveal of the designer. But no way anyone going to pay 11K.
Firstly 167 g is too heavy on the bracelet . 150 g which is about the modern Rolex Submariner weight is also too heavy that’s why I prefer the pre ceramic Rolex Submariners sub 150 g . Personally I think 130 -140 g should be the maximum weight on a bracelet otherwise it becomes not comfortable. The strap options are nice and I really like the easy swap system . I like the minimalist look . In house movement usually means shipping the watch back to the manufacturer to get it serviced ? That’s something you should have mentioned , servicing costs and where to service it . If you have to ship it and insure it from Australia to Germany every 5-8 years plus pay to get it serviced in Germany it’s not going to be cheap . Lastly it’s too expensive at around AUD $ 12,000 . The resale value of this will be almost nothing since it’s not a well known brand for watches . You’d be lucky to get a couple of grand for it . The Germans have gotten crazy greedy for money like the Swiss, their pricing is totally unreasonable and unjustified . Not for me mate, thanks for letting us know this exists though .